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00:23.41Tekkubpcj_2, why are you removing tocright everywhere?
00:24.00Bagginswwtocright usually messes with screenshots and templates
00:24.22Bagginswwit really only works if there is no other templates
00:24.28Tekkubtocright is situational, yes
00:24.39Tekkubbut he's blindly removing it everywhere
00:25.00Tekkubwhy? it was fine
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00:51.28Bagginswwfunny I just noticed that More Magic & Mayhem has a reference to having a "Geomancer" prestidge class that doesn't actually appear in the book
00:51.40BagginswwNew and updated prestige classes, including the Argent Dawn
00:51.40Bagginswwcrusader, enchanter, geomancer, and steam warrior.
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01:35.36BagginswwI think it would be kinda cool if they opened up some of the other races hair designs for player characters, hairstyle changes.
01:35.56BagginswwA gnome with wild spiky undead hair
01:36.11Fishdertbut it removes the unique look of each class!
01:36.35Bagginswwwell starting hair should be something that's race specific
01:36.56Bagginswwbut you have go hunt down another race's barber to get other race's doos
01:37.06Fishdertbtw, how do i get a link for my freenode address? as in, my name is black, everyone else's is blue...
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01:53.19LukianUndercity faction required for a haircut :)
02:00.11Sandwichman2448Undead do not have much hair.
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03:10.33Bagginswwwell lukian it would be possible to find a neutral undead barber in say Dalaran, ;)
03:10.55LukianDalaran is sealed!
03:11.00BagginswwYou just need to be level 75 or better, ;)
03:11.11Bagginswwnah its flying in Northrend
03:11.16Bagginswwwhen the haircuts begin
03:11.17Lukianhehe yeah I know
03:11.27Lukianbut at this point in time it's sealed! :d
03:11.34Lukian(What happens to the original btw?)
03:11.39BagginswwI think sealed dalaran is going to stay there
03:11.54Bagginswwfor continuity sake
03:12.05Bagginswwcharacter progression
03:13.49Lukianhmm interesting
03:14.35Lukianhmm, they could make a lot of floating islands and stuff in wotlk..
03:14.55Lukianwhat would be smart is to allow flying only in your current zone, until you reach the level required for the next zone
03:15.02BagginswwI doubt it we should have gotten floating islands in outland :p
03:15.20BagginswwI think they are just going to make us get new flying mounts that only work in northrend
03:15.29Lukianyeah, but no one had a flying mount, now technically everyone does
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03:15.38Bagginswwold ones won't work in azeroth
03:15.49Bagginswwso your back to hoofing it
03:15.59Bagginswwuntil you find a new flying mount
03:16.06Bagginswwwell the new one might be backwords compatible
03:17.57Lukianblizzard have never stopped people using mounts where they wish (once capable)
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03:19.32Bagginswwexcept that flying mounts at the start of northrend would be cheating
03:19.42Bagginswwand the mounts we curently have say, works only in Outland
03:20.01LukianYeah I was thinking about that tagline
03:20.26LukianBut, 2k gold for a cenarion hippogryph mount and engineering mounts say otherwise
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03:21.45LukianAllowing flying within a zone once you've "completed" it should be allowable
03:26.05kd3I was of the impression that we were going to be able to complete a quest around 67 or so that lets us de-ice our flying mounts
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03:26.18kd3'course, that's still totally up in the air at this stage of the game
03:28.39Lukiankd3, yeah I'd expect them to do something like that too
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04:39.30ZealBaggins, read luke johnson's interview about dark factions?
04:39.43Zeal* Bagginsww
04:39.51Zealand yay for upgrade today
04:40.30Sky2042depending on location...:
04:41.22Zealtoday for me :P
04:41.33Zealand UTC ;)
04:43.29snafooAnyone know if Warcraft 3 runs well under wine?
04:45.49Zeal"...the Warcraft world of your home roleplaying game isn't tied to the "real" Warcraft world with which we are all familiar, so players can alter the world however they like. They can play a group of tauren paladins, topple Stormwind, or watch angels descend from the sky." - Luke Johnson
04:45.58Zealdidn't think my opinion of him could get much lower.
04:46.52Sky2042Zeal: LOL!
04:49.03Zeal"So, as writers, we started making up stuff. That's what we generally get paid to do, after all." :p
04:49.26Zealsounds worse on it's own, but in context not so bad.
04:50.16Zeal"However, Blizzard didn't feel comfortable allowing a third party, like us, to invent stuff about the Warcraft world."
04:53.02Zealhm.. goes through the process and troubles they had dealing with content issues.
04:55.40Zealno actually hint as to the current status od Dark Factions though : /
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05:16.39Zealwtf am i doing watching american politics..
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05:38.52Zealhm.. why does luke johnson not have a page on ww : /
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08:52.44Bagginswwzeal, that line is pretty much the line you get in the intro to the WoWRPG core book
08:53.06Bagginswwin context
08:53.15Bagginswwhe isn't talking about lore per se
08:53.21Bagginswwmore the way the game works
08:53.33BagginswwI.E. it allows you to do more than you can in WoW
08:53.36Bagginswwits mroe realistic
08:53.45Zealtalking about lore as far as i can tell.
08:54.01Zealwas refering to their own custom stories too.
08:54.10Bagginswwlink to interview?
08:54.19Zeali sent it on aim to you :P
08:54.44Bagginswwok ya I see it blinking
08:55.41Zealstupid ff caching :/
08:55.42Bagginswwanycase ya anycase ya johnson has always downplayed the RPG content.
08:56.22BagginswwI mean there are many times he's said we made it up, its not lore, whereas Magus will say you don't see it WoW cause of scale issues.
08:56.31Fisker-anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase anycase
08:56.33Fisker-hai Bagginsww
08:56.43BagginswwI'm tired :p
08:57.34Bagginswwand you remember how I made him admit that "ya its my opinion" rather than coming form Blizzard
09:00.42Bagginswwwell the next line where he says;
09:00.43Bagginswwto create a tabletop roleplaying game set in the hugely popular Warcraft world.
09:01.02Bagginswwso which is it Mr. Johnson it doesnt' take place in the Warcraft world, and it does?
09:02.49Zealgreat, need to work around more mediawiki parser bugs :/
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09:11.05Zealbah, moz-border-radius fails at consistancy : /
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10:18.14BagginswwIf you catch people altering heights taken from official sources on pages, please revert them
10:18.17Bagginswwlike on
10:18.19[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
10:22.32Bagginsww someone want to put that in a table?
10:22.49Bagginswwsomething similar ot what we did for
10:22.53Bagginsww[[life span]]
10:22.53[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
10:23.10[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
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10:28.58Gourramerging zonebox and npcbox to one single npcbox gives me a headache
10:29.15GourraBagginsww: I'll see
10:29.37Bagginswwalso I think there is also a page for
10:29.44Bagginsww[[weight]] unless I never got around to it :p
10:29.45[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
10:30.00Bagginswwif not that's a future work :p
10:31.30Gourra"Quilboar never reach maximum age, they commit ritual suicide once they become, weak, elderly, crippled, or past child-bearing age." ouch
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10:41.10DawormQuick Q: any wowwiki sysops on?
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10:48.56Gourrais there such a thing as male/female ancient protectors and mountain giants?
10:49.04Gourraare they genderless?
10:49.37Fisker-that's a silly question Daworm
10:50.04Dawormlol - I don't know the wowwiki sysops :P
10:50.19Dawormneways, wondering if any of you might be aware of wikinodes ?
10:51.04Dawormplanning on setting one up on and would like it if wowwiki would consider being a "neighbour" on it.
10:51.32Zealeveryone except ChanServ server is a sysop on ww.
10:51.47Zealactually, i have no idea who Cairenn|afk is :s
10:52.11KalrothI do!
10:52.14Fisker-me too!
10:52.22Fisker-I, Kalroth > Zeal
10:55.12Zealerm.. wouldn't that really be something to talk to wikia about, no idea about the technical aspects, but i guess wikia could be a wikianode itself already.
10:58.22Dawormit's just a page you create
10:59.08Dawormwikipedia's wikinode as an example.
11:00.19Dawormit's a self-created community thing.
11:00.25Dawormand looks like a lot of places have it.
11:01.34Daworma wikia wiki with one :
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11:04.29Zealhonestly, looks crap. (the entire wikia is a node itself already btw). it all looks manually done, essentially making it nothing more than a link exchange/web ring, which suck as well. personally i think it's a bad idea which is better left to admins doing it as they wish and showing stronger connections through inter-wiki links.
11:04.33Zealbut that's me.
11:04.49DawormYeah, which is why I asked.
11:06.18Bagginswwok leave out the subtext stuff explaining averages
11:06.26Bagginswwthat should be in the same format as the
11:06.29Bagginsww[[life spans]]
11:06.30[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
11:07.06Bagginswwand I think references should be footnotes too
11:07.16Bagginswwleading to "sources"
11:07.20foxlitI'd attach the WoW manual picture and flip the table 90 degrees
11:07.24Bagginswwother than its nice
11:07.50BagginswwWoW manual picture also appearsin the rpg at least once I think
11:08.12Bagginswwminus draenei and blood elves
11:08.16Bagginswwolder version
11:08.41Gourrasee again
11:08.58GourraI'll add source, give me a minute
11:09.30Bagginswwlike I said citation panel would be best left out, and just make citations go to reflist at the bottom like was done with life spans
11:09.46Bagginswwwe are trying to do way with citation
11:09.54Bagginswwand use reflist instead
11:09.58foxlitKD3: -- was there a point?
11:10.30Bagginswwalso perhaps its a bit wrong to call an ancient protector "male"
11:10.35Bagginswwwe don't know if they come in males and females :p
11:10.41Gourrathat's why I asked the question before
11:10.51Bagginswwmaybe put them into seperate table
11:10.52Zealyes there was if you read foxlit
11:10.56Gourra[11:48] <Gourra> is there such a thing as male/female ancient protectors and mountain giants?
11:11.04Bagginswwsame with abominatin
11:11.10foxlitreading < me
11:11.16Bagginswwand mountain giants
11:11.30Gourrasee above
11:11.36BagginswwI'd say seperate table
11:11.38Bagginswwto avoid the problem
11:11.50Bagginswwat least with keepers and dryads its obvious
11:12.49Bagginswwhmm we could have an "average" section
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11:12.54Bagginswwnot use the entire sentence
11:12.56Bagginswwjust the number
11:13.03Bagginswwand footnote it to the sentence
11:13.26Bagginswwwhich would be handy for any race where we only know the average
11:14.04Bagginswwalso you can do away with the "reference" section
11:15.35Bagginswwwatch graffitti he might end up being a vandal, but not sure yet
11:16.21Zealwtb <style> enabled on mediawiki..
11:16.48foxlit<style> * {display: none} /* haha */ </style>
11:17.30Zealhope you're not suggesting that's a reason not to have it.
11:19.47foxlitDuh; besides, some display: none stuff could be useful, but I could stuff it into my user stylesheet anyway
11:23.41Zealit only effects the page it's on and someone could more easily just remove all content for the same effect. just simply revert. so no reason to not have it. reason it's needed is so sandboxes can implement more advanced formatting and not restort to the limited style attributes and later have to rewrite it all to transition it to a stylesheet.
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11:26.47foxlitIt's marginally easier to clean up blanking, but it's not like that matters
11:27.34Zealclean up yeah, but it's morel ikely you'd be reverting any edits that include blanking/display: none additions.
11:28.59Zealdisabling url() in css i can understand, but should be optional still, as we allow offsite image linking anyway which suffer from the same hazards.
11:29.02foxlitYou're addressing the wrong problem - the link to history isn't there :P
11:29.24Zeallol, indeed.
11:29.29Zealdidn't think about that.
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11:36.03Bagginswwgoura much better
11:36.16Bagginswwalthough just replace note with "average"
11:36.33Bagginswwand its perfect
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11:41.01BagginswwI'm going to move the table now
11:42.14BagginswwI'll fix the template further when I have the time
11:49.08Zealhm.. ff isn't respecting display: inline for content created via psuedo elements : /
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11:50.53Zealor text-align: right
11:50.55Zealffs :/
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12:19.54Gourrao. right you moved it already
12:20.00Bagginswwwhere did your average come from?
12:20.08BagginswwI'd leave off fanmade numbers
12:20.41Gourrait came off calculation off the text
12:21.15Bagginswwoh, I'd personall try to avoid that.
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12:21.40BagginswwI can get "ofifcial" averages for most things
12:21.59Bagginswwsome you can find on the "image"
12:22.03Bagginswwin the wow manual
12:22.25Gourraheh, I find this pretty contradicting:
12:22.27Gourra"Orc; 220 - 3960 lb. (male), 180 - 3240 lb. (females).WoWRPG 174 Orcs males weigh in at 250 to 300 pounds.WoWRPG 45"
12:22.43Bagginswwand I wouldn't list all those under giants ;)
12:22.47Bagginswwabominaiton isn't a giant
12:22.52Gourrahm true
12:22.57Gourraoh well you got a better :p
12:23.06Bagginswwgoing to move that part though except for the giants bit
12:26.10GourraI find some parts of the Abomination article funny
12:26.13Gourra"Racial Mount  n/a (Some of their parts may be from mounts)"
12:26.19Gourra"Secondary Language(s)  No others. Really, an abomination is lucky just to understand common."
12:26.40Bagginswwthere may be an average for ogre I think
12:26.43Bagginswwlol ya
12:26.50Bagginswwwell the not really part is official
12:27.01Bagginswwthe some parts maybe be from mounts not so much
12:27.15Bagginswwlanguage bit is from the rpg
12:27.38Gourrastill it seems funny
12:28.03Gourradon't see why though there's {{racebox}} at the top..I mean, it's a race, but not one of those
12:29.06Bagginswwnot one of what?
12:29.10Bagginswwits a race in the rpg
12:29.26Bagginswwoh I see not a race on the raxebox
12:29.36Gourrayes, that's what I meant
12:29.47Bagginswwremove that
12:29.54Bagginswwnot sure why its there :p
12:30.03Bagginswwprobably someone getting a bit template happy
12:30.25Bagginswwand remove that "stitched horrors" bit
12:30.32BagginswwI hate unofficial nicknames :p
12:30.58Bagginswwif there is a unit called a stiched horror it has its own page anyways
12:31.36Gourrawell there is one but it doesn't have an article in the wiki
12:32.04Bagginswwlink to it :)
12:32.35Gourramaking Horror soon
12:32.43Bagginswwheh heh
12:34.38GourraI do wonder, though, how a female abomination would look like
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12:45.40Dawormbye / hi
12:48.20Gourrahi / bye
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12:56.38winkillerAPB hates me
12:57.20winkillerah well, armory also
12:57.23winkillerso guess that's the reason
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13:09.59BagginswwI felt Unholy Swords look better, :)
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13:15.35RprpIs someone able to play WoW with WINE (Linux) with the lastest patch?
13:16.20sacarasci should probably try that...
13:16.32RprpNPCS + Other Chars wont show up :(
13:16.39RprpIts like 'lagg' :/
13:17.01sacarascdownloading the patch now
13:20.10sacarascheh, it works for me, but you have left
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13:20.29sacarascheh, it works for me
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13:22.12sacarascusing wine 0.9.40 (old, but compiling it gives me hassle ;p)
13:22.42RprpIam using .50 atm, Tried to delete Cache etc, But still not working :(
13:28.38RprpAnyway, fixed it:
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13:56.01Zealffs.. why is ff being 'tarded...
13:56.51sacarascfirefox? final fantasy? fucking flamingoes?
13:57.34Zealff ofc
13:57.40Zealer.. lol
13:57.43Zeal*firefox ofc
13:59.47winkillerwhat TZ is UTC?
14:00.01winkillerI mean.. atm
14:00.03Zealso GMT w/o DST
14:00.12winkillerTOR's notice is still there
14:00.12Zealoh, 14:00 pretty much
14:00.13sacarascGMT doesn't have DST
14:00.19ZealGMT does..
14:00.24pcjwinkiller it's there until you click hide
14:00.24winkillershouldn't 13:00 UTC be gone already
14:00.28sacarascno, the UK moves into BST
14:00.37winkillerthanks :P
14:00.46sacarascwinkiller: yes, 1300 was an hour ago
14:01.06winkillernever ever saw that hide link
14:01.12sacarascZeal: GMT is the same all year round, the timezones each country uses changes, not the timezones themselves
14:01.15winkillertunnelvision ftw
14:02.11Zealwell that seems rather superfluous
14:02.17Zealshould just move the timezone
14:02.25Zealamusing that i've never once heard of BST.
14:03.05Zealno need to have two different timeszones and names when only 1 will ever be active at once.
14:03.56sacarascother people base their time off of GMT
14:04.02sacarascand don't have DST at all
14:04.31Zealbut there's no need to
14:04.55Zealbecause UTC doesn't observe any for of DST, so why double up?
14:05.08pcjyeah wtf winkiller
14:05.21Zealgranted UTC existed afterwards
14:05.32pcjlol :P
14:06.20pcjzeal needs to go beat some people up in Greenwich I think since we can't do anything about it
14:06.31winkilleranyone from the zone cat project?
14:06.43sacarascZeal: so they should remove Zulu too?
14:06.45Zealhour away by car, could do :p
14:07.19sacarascyeah, just what the US Military calls GMT/UTC
14:07.24pcjYou're in the UK and you didn't know about BST?
14:07.31Zealindeed pcj
14:08.02sacarascthey don't teach about time zones in school like they should
14:08.30[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 157 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 2mins 37secs.
14:08.37pcjslowwiki :(
14:08.40Zealand also afaik, in computer languages, only a non-DST timezone is chosen, and DST is applied if/when needed, rather than timezones switching. which as with most logical advancements made in the move to digital, makes alot more sense.
14:09.10Zealthey didn't teach me english either sacarasc, explain why i have no faith in the education system?
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14:11.05Zealtaught me poetry and how to read a book, about it. most of what i know i learnt since leaving it.
14:12.48sacarascenglish at school taught me that i didn't care if i was entered for the exam or not as long as i didn't have to do any work
14:13.23Zealhm.. so why the hell does ff fail? got a <div> being targeted applying an after pseudo element, yet it's adding the content inside the <div> at the end.
14:14.19pcjwhere zeal
14:15.09Zealthis is mediawiki, really think i'd have a link to provide an example of such a style definition? :p
14:15.44Zeal with if you fancy extrapolating it.
14:16.36pcjwell it's being slowwiki for me anyway
14:17.12Zealfine for me :S
14:18.41Zealmm... the simple things in life. tomato ketchup & butter sandwhich.
14:21.29sacarasci have all the ingredients for one of them
14:21.31sacarascexcept the bread
14:21.34sacarascand the butter have ketchup?
14:22.04pcjjust suck it out of the bottle, it'll be almost as good
14:22.34sacarascketchup, pasta, salt, chili powder and curry powder is the extent of the food in my kitchen currently could have spaghetti with a very weird sauce
14:23.41sacarascnah, gonna go grocery shopping when the workmen replacing doors in my building have finished with my one
14:23.46Zealneeds more cheese
14:24.10sacarasceverything needs more cheese
14:24.29sacarascas long as it's good cheese
14:25.20Zealah, great minds think alike no?
14:25.47sacarascbut fools seldom differ
14:26.10sacarasci know i could fit into either category...
14:33.31Zeal <-- simpler test case
14:33.34Zealstill fails
14:36.31Zealwoah... that's weird funky stuff.. why the hell is ww converting a <pre> containing html back to html when javascript loads? : /
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14:38.01Zealok, even weirder, it's not converting, it's simply changing it to the output of displayed below it : /
14:38.06Zealso it doubles up
14:38.39Zealnot even the pre..
14:38.45Zealit's just adding it for no reason..
14:39.32Zealokay.. it's even adding page elements that no longer exist. @_@
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14:40.47Zealonly when editing the page
14:41.29Zealnow that i've submitted, it's working fine, even with new edits
14:41.36Zeali think i'll blame firefox.
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14:43.54Zealnope, doing it again
14:44.03Zealfine in ie7
14:44.08Zealso it's firefox being crap
14:44.13pcjsounds to me like user error
14:45.23Zealdon't see how
14:45.30Zeali've no scripts running on ff
14:46.16Zealanyways, that link should now provide all thats needed to show that firefox is implementing ::after wrong there.
14:46.29ltcolumbopcj: pebkac
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14:51.26Zealfurther testing. First edit, preview it, all is fine. after that, all subsequent previews revert back to the first preview when javascript is loaded (edit box remains fine).
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14:56.33sacaraschmmm, that WotLK maybe selling enchants through AH would be cool...
15:06.34winkillerslowwiki again
15:11.32Zealthe only time ::after should insert inside the selected element is if it's has display: run-in or display: compact (ridiculous idea imo, should add ::start and ::end for that in all cases), which a div has neither. therefore firefox is doing it wrong.
15:18.54Zeali hate how i can never find results on firefox in relations to it's bugs..
15:19.09Zealdoes google no crawl bugzilla? :S
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15:26.34Zealhah, it's also using display: inline for <p> elements, when the css spec says it should be inheriting from <p>, which would be display: block
15:28.41Zealoh, and also that issues i'm having with firefox and previewing edits also counts for saving edits, if i make a preview, i can't save an edit (same url, action=submit) and it just does a preview that reverts back to the last preview when js loads. seems some sort of retroactive screwed up selective caching. so glad i don't use firefox.
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15:34.22Zealthings like this which reminds me why microsoft remain reluctant to fully support css 2, still incomplete and newer specs keep changing it's future.
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15:39.49Zealhm.. applies to pretty much all elements. firefox inserts content generated by ::after and ::before inside at the end and start of the element respectively. according to css 2.1 spec, that's wrong. should be outside the element, inheriting the display type of the element.
15:40.12Zealthink only opera does it right.
15:41.21Zealnope, opera is wrong too. wtf.
15:43.40Zealw3c really need to double check their wording.. *sigh* "As their names indicate, the :before and :after pseudo-elements specify the location of content before and after an element's document tree content."
15:44.10Zealelsewhere it's simply the element (and it msot documentation external to the w3c)
15:44.14Zeal*in most
15:47.17Zealbut the inheritence of display: should still be from the element according to the spec, for which no browser is doing correctly, they're simply using display: inline all the time.
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15:48.25Zealoh wait.. that's not an inheritable property is it.. ffs.. wording and bad examples ftl.
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16:11.43ralfWORKgood morning!
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16:18.33winkillerhm, does this look alright?
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16:18.40winkillerhe only has huge -xxx edits
16:18.48winkillerbut *maybe* only cleaned old guilds
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16:21.38Zealdunno for sure, but if guild's aren't reverting his removals, guess it's fine.
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16:43.39pcj~seen Kirkburn
16:43.43infobotkirkburn <> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 2d 17h 1m 9s ago, saying: 'See you all in Chicago!'.
16:49.43Fisker-what's he doing in chicago?
16:50.56sacarascgoint to see DuTempete or something
16:59.45RprpAre the quests bugged?
16:59.54RprpIt wont track a quest when i kill or something
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17:03.14Zealnoo, read only mode :(
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17:07.40ZealPanSola is Kirkburn? :o
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17:10.09Zealnewsbot thinks so
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17:20.55winkillermhm, db locked?
17:20.58winkillerAND my irc client crashed
17:21.01pcjwow good call
17:43.20Zealbah, session losses again :/
17:44.06Zeallogging in an out didn't help once again..
17:44.10Zeallame wiki is lame.
17:56.11pcjwiki's up
17:58.12zeal done for now, appreciate some feedback on possible alternative styling.
17:58.50pcjMaybe ditch the closing quote on multiple line quotes
17:59.22pcjidk, should be ok
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18:03.29Bagginsww Opinions?
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18:08.13Fisker-lol Bagginsww
18:08.21infobotfrom memory, cairenn is one of the administrators of WoWInterface, also EQI, EQ2I, LotROI and VGI
18:08.48Fisker-oh u
18:10.02zealno offense, that means nothing to me. more wondering who you are on ww and why you're oped :p
18:10.31pcjbecause cairenn's better than you
18:10.39kd3all hail
18:11.00zealpcj, i was thinking of trying out dropping the border+background, and perhaps seperating the cite, that way the quotes would have more meaning, but i'll leave it until tomorrow now.
18:27.33Bagginswwmag'halar is that a mispelling and can we delete it?
18:27.52Adysits one of those blizzard misspellings
18:28.28Bagginswwmaybe not a mispelling and means something else?
18:28.46Adysdoubt it :P
18:28.47Bagginswwalot of orcish terms sound the same :p
18:28.56Adysits on one of the maghar orcs
18:30.20Bagginswwadys if the character isn't in game and that's all we know about him then it really shouldnt' be stubbed
18:30.38Adysi dont know if thats all we know about him
18:30.42Adysthats why i stubbed him
18:30.43Bagginswwperhaps add the {{WoW} template instead
18:30.53Adysfeel free to check that out
18:31.28BagginswwI'm pretty sure it was a one sentence reference in the game, last time I did the quests
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18:32.41Bagginswwsort of like Bubber Glump's sister.
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18:59.52Zealnn all
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19:01.08pcjhi Keolah :)
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19:19.04Taurmindohow did that fanfic namespace idea ever turn out?
19:19.29Bagginsww someone want to put the autohide on that, :p
19:19.38Bagginsww and that, :
19:21.00Bagginswwand any other languages where the template is larger than the page information :p
19:21.07Bagginsww there too :p
19:21.36Bagginswwalmost any language on the green section probably need to have the templates hidden.
19:24.11Taurmindonerdlish? :P
19:29.02Bagginswwanyone want to type up the quotes from the introduction movies?
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19:29.08Bagginswwin wow
19:29.13Bagginswwif they aren't already up somewhere?
19:33.53Taurmindoi still haven't watched tbc introduction video. ^^
19:40.51Taurmindosilly, illidan doesn't have to move his mouth when talking?
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20:35.28Bagginswwinteresting theory there are two bear trees right?
20:35.53Bagginswwand its said at least for one of them that their appearance is strange, they have grown from nowhere.
20:36.05Bagginswwwhat if they are ursoc and ursol regenerating into the world?
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20:41.57GourraBagginsww: bear trees?
20:42.18Bagginswwbough of the eternal and oracle glade
20:42.33KeolahWhat about the bank in Darnassus!? :p
20:43.07Gourrabough of the eternal = bank in darnassus
20:43.29KeolahIt has a name? :P Where the hell does it say that? :P
20:44.30KeolahNo, I mean, where does it actually _say_ that :p
20:45.15Bagginswwin a quest
20:45.23Bagginswwand if you talk to one of the guards
20:46.02Bagginswwyes the term Eternals is something Metzen invented
20:46.03Gourrahum need to be remade
20:46.03Bagginswwnot the RPG
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20:49.08Bagginswwbut ya
20:49.11Bagginsww[[Oracle Glade]]
20:49.12[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
20:49.23Bagginswwif the tree appeared mysteriously, what if it is ursoc or ursol?
20:49.58KeolahSo, bear gods guarding the night elves' money? :p
20:50.52Bagginswwwell night elfs carved the bank :p
20:51.09Bagginswwoops they killed poor ursoc before he was reborn :p
20:51.29Bagginsww shouldn't that been on some kind of namespace?
20:51.42BagginswwI mean what's the point of a "forum poster" article
20:53.00pcji have no idea baggins
20:53.02pcji hate them
20:53.11pcjbut adys keeps making them
20:54.00Adyswhere else do you want to have a list of blizzard employees?
20:54.10pcjThey could be all on one page
20:54.36Adyswill see
20:54.48pcjYeah, I bet
20:55.25AdysMind if i dont exactly care about it right now? thanks
20:59.23pcjOh wow, they are
20:59.49Gourrawell that's what the link on the article is for
21:00.22Gourrato be honest it would be interesting to read about a CM/blizzard poster you see around
21:00.32pcjYeah, if the articles actually had content
21:01.49Gourratrue..but the list doesn't look good with red links :(
21:01.56pcjWell, no links then
21:03.06pcj~seen DuTempete
21:03.08infobotdutempete <> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 1d 16h 22m 50s ago, saying: 'bagginsw sorta'.
21:13.11BagginswwI find that blizzard forum articles generally lead to hatred and foulness towards the poster
21:13.20Bagginswwanytme someone has an arguement with one :p
21:13.25Bagginswwand then we have to clean up the mess
21:13.33Bagginswwto make it neutral again
21:13.45kd3only against kalgan iirc
21:13.46GourraTseric, anyone?
21:13.51kd3and tseric too, ya
21:14.16BagginswwI think it would just make it easier if we had them in a namespace though
21:14.19pcjyay squid died
21:14.24pcjthere we go
21:14.39Bagginswwanother poster?
21:14.46pcjas in cache :P
21:14.50kd3the cache between us and the server itself
21:16.38foxlitNot that you actually trip it when logged in
21:17.05pcjThe wiki seems to complain a lot about the cache in any case
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21:18.57pcj!editcount Pcj
21:19.04pcj!trcount Template:Item
21:19.13Gourraheh, nice one pcj
21:20.48[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 3835 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1hr 3mins 55secs.
21:24.10pcjfoxlit: got the quest name wrong
21:24.29foxlitNo, it supplied the quest ID
21:24.42pcjWell, the tooltip links to that quest
21:24.45pcjLook at the tooltip
21:24.49foxlitToo bad for the tooltip
21:25.01Bagginswwso zootfizzle posts on his own page
21:25.10kd3a few others have posted on their own page too
21:26.20foxlitI only get a quest ID and no armory way to look it up
21:27.45Gourra tooltip fix'd
21:28.05pcjFoxlit, doesn't the bot fill out the source section fine tho?
21:28.25foxlitYes, but you can't predict one from the other
21:28.43pcjWell, your bot fails then
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21:30.43pcjreason #869 why France sucks
21:34.29pcjhaha pwned foxlit
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21:36.52Bagginswwslowwiki again
21:37.08Bagginswwsomeone want to split talk:Future_race_ideas
21:37.23Bagginswwand make a new archive
21:45.50Gourraon it Bagginsww
21:50.37pcjfoxlit: could you make foxbot use {{mob}} when an item is dropping from something?
21:50.45BagginswwThose archive pages get long enough and we'll need to archive the archives :p
21:50.49BagginswwArchive set 1
21:50.52Bagginswwarchive set 2
21:55.54Bagginsww and some people are just clueless
21:56.05Bagginswwthis isn't Ace Attourney
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22:07.35Fisker-So |Pixel| if i say a random  character name can you nod or shake your head? :P
22:07.52|Pixel|I can always nod'n'shake
22:08.05Adysor you can do either but not tell him.
22:08.07Fisker-but it wouldn't nessecarily reflect the truth? :P
22:08.21|Pixel|I don't even know what you're jabbering about
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22:23.47BagginswwMalygos is known as the Steward of Magic of the Spell-Weaver.
22:23.55Bagginswwsomething tells me they ment to put an "or" instead of an of
22:24.09Bagginswwcause if they meant an of that's the most lengthy title evah
22:25.44Gourrayeah..probably 'or'
22:26.06Gourrathen who would "the spell-weaver" be in that case
22:26.10Gourraif it was 'of'
22:30.41Bagginswwalthough one should check to see if that isnt' a typo
22:30.49Bagginswwby the person who adapted it
22:30.52Gourramaybe some other higher power?
22:32.23Gourrapage 7
22:32.29Gourra"Malygos is known as the Steward of Magic or the Spell-Weaver. "
22:33.40Bagginswwso a typo
22:34.17Gourrayes. corrected now
22:34.37Bagginswwgood thing
22:34.42BagginswwI thought it sounded off, LOL
22:35.01Gourrasteward of magic of himself..hmm
22:35.59Bagginswwmultiverse, one supposes that's another name for the twisting nether or great dark?
22:36.30BagginswwHe spends his days studying
22:36.30Bagginswwmagic, refining his abilities, and studying the various
22:36.30Bagginswwplanes of the multiverse both remotely and in person,
22:36.30Bagginswwwhile his few remaining children scour the world for
22:36.30Bagginswwancient artifacts and repositories of arcane power
22:36.38Bagginswwin reference to malygos
22:37.23Gourra"While he is not revered as a god, for blue dragons see no godhood in scientific fact, he is considered the greatest scientific mind ever to have existed in the multiverse - or, at least, his flight considers him so."
22:37.38Gourrareference to MoM
22:38.00Bagginswwmy reference was in the Shadows & Light
22:38.06Gourraoh. right
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22:38.34Bagginswwanother reference to multiverse is made in al'akir's article
22:38.39Bagginswwin S&L
22:38.47Gourraelemental plane?
22:38.54Bagginswwnah that's one plane
22:38.59Bagginswwmultiverse means eveyrthing all planes
22:39.10Bagginswwso that's either twisting nether or the great dark
22:39.23Bagginswwsince all planes exist in one or both of those
22:44.25foxlitA lot of the dragon quotes need context
22:44.36foxlit"The other races may see no reason to ally themselves with ones who'd almost as much as the Burning Legion prefer to see them all wiped out. We're talking centuries of enmity, Krasus." what who why where?
22:44.42BagginswwMultiverse if you took its original DnD definition would likely contain all fantasy universes, LOL
22:44.42sacarascdragons taste like cheese
22:44.48sacarascthough slightly beefy
22:46.36Gourrafoxlit: sounds like one of the War of the Ancients book quotes
22:46.59foxlitthe "ones who'd almost as much as the Burning Legion prefer to see them all wiped out" part is rather unclear
22:48.31GourraI'll try and dig through the books
22:49.20Gourraand _try_ because they are crap long and 3 of them
22:50.00Bagginswwso talking to elven one of the head people at king's quest omnipedia, he's all for moving the database over
22:50.02Bagginswwto wikia
22:50.20BagginswwHe's also one of the people that's got control at the server level
22:52.04Bagginswwahh sweet my screennick apparently transfered to wikia without a hitch
22:52.18BagginswwI can log into any wikia :)
22:53.59Bagginsww yay another wikia I could build from the ground up
22:54.19BagginswwMajor thief fan
22:55.18Bagginsww oh cool all the ingame books
22:56.13Bagginswwat least for the first game so far
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23:10.10Bagginswwif your interestd
23:10.11pcjnice baggins
23:10.25pcj#REDIRECT would've worked so much better
23:11.00Sky2042isn't it an ability?
23:11.28pcjBut there's no content on there at all
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23:11.48Sky2042so stub it?
23:12.10Sky2042it's not used in a tooltip, which means it's an ability.
23:12.19Sky2042for our purposes
23:13.25foxlitI suspect Fandyllic isn't done yet?
23:13.52pcjI'd hope not
23:14.13Sky2042foxlit: with what?...
23:14.20foxlitthat page
23:16.07winkillerah sky! very good
23:16.37winkillerabout the zone project. is Category:Instance:Foo now deprecated or not? I found the project page a bit misleading
23:17.01Sky2042winkiller: going to be. we've been killing off the zones first.
23:18.14winkilleraye ok, I might join if I'm on editing spree again
23:18.40winkillerbut I still remember that all articled were specifically put into Cat:Instance:X not soo long ago
23:18.47winkillerdecisions, decisions :D
23:19.05Sky2042"not so long ago" was over a year and a half ago
23:20.06winkillermaybe :)
23:20.21Sky2042that's when the wiki had about 15k pages. not 50k xD
23:20.26Sky2042if that many
23:24.41winkiller20.2.06 was my first edit
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23:25.21pcjhi kirkburn!
23:25.23pcjhow's chicago
23:25.54KirkburnChicago is goood :)
23:26.46pcjDuTempete letting you sleep much?
23:26.56KirkburnI'm not answering that question ...
23:27.22KirkburnHowever, you may be pleased to know we just got moved to a new PC (yes, skillfully changing the subject there)
23:27.41pcj!item Windhawk Belt
23:27.41FoxbotPage generator crashed for [Windhawk Belt].
23:28.30KirkburnAny problems you can identify, I'll pass them on
23:28.45Sky2042Kirkburn: huh?
23:28.55foxlithah, long live circular dependencies!
23:29.01KirkburnLike anything that might have come up in the server move
23:30.41pcj!editcount Pcj
23:30.52pcjHaven't seen anything yet Kirkburn
23:31.00pcjThough I'm not sure why they didn't upgrade the wiki when they moved it
23:32.05KirkburnI think the system only just arrived, and doing two things at once would make it harder to identify problems
23:32.15pcjHmm, yeah
23:32.34KirkburnOne job at a time :)
23:32.43pcjNo one's used yet :(
23:33.04KirkburnHow ... disappointing
23:33.14KirkburnDon't tell zeal
23:34.07pcjWell, you just pinged him
23:34.15Kirkburnzomg, really? :)
23:34.21KirkburnHow's server speed?
23:34.39bleeterlike a red rag to a bull....
23:34.43pcjOf course yesterday was patch day
23:35.29Sky2042server's feeling faster than before, either way =)
23:35.31KirkburnIt was?!
23:35.50KirkburnYay :)
23:36.02KirkburnNow I just need a US version of WoW to play on here :P
23:36.23Sky2042foxlit: vandal!
23:37.36foxlitShould automate VP archiving, anyway
23:38.06pcjmmm can't really tell which ones have been talked in more recently
23:38.18pcjespecially not with fandy using PST in his sig instead of UTC like everyon else
23:40.24bleeterpcj: there you go, a simple ramble about something pointless :P
23:40.24bleeter*some pointless things
23:40.24foxlit~botmail for foxlit fix WIT/WI require loop for data fetch
23:40.24bleeterhahaha.. pcj quit
23:40.24foxlit~botmail for foxlit: fix WIT/WI require loop for data fetch
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23:42.50Kirkburn|afkDoes 2.3.3 really exist?
23:43.00pcjI doubt it
23:43.04pcjIt was probably a typo
23:44.07Kirkburn|afkK, switching it
23:45.39pcjYeah, only reference to it was Slouken fixing a bug by "2.3.3", nothing else
23:48.32pcjkirkburn are tooltips infoboxes for purposes of MOS
23:49.25Kirkburn|afkYes, I guess so
23:51.27Kirkburn|afkAdded a line to the MOS saying so

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