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| 00:42.03 | pcj | !editcount Baggins |
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| 00:45.56 | [NewsBot] | BlizzPlanet: Beyond the Real Life - A World of Warcraft Fan Film - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1981 |
| 00:50.06 | ylime | !editcount ylime |
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| 00:55.56 | pcj | Does http://www.wowwiki.com/Lieutenant_Tristia/NPCs_Sells come up for anyone? |
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| 00:56.27 | MentalPower|Gone | !editcount kirkburn |
| 00:56.29 | sacarasc | woo! |
| 00:56.49 | MentalPower|Gone | !editcount kaydeethree |
| 00:57.03 | pcj | !editcount pcj |
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| 00:57.06 | MentalPower|Gone | I killed it... |
| 00:57.10 | MentalPower|Gone | or not |
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| 00:57.25 | MentalPower|Gone | pcj: you officially have no life |
| 00:57.32 | MentalPower|Gone | :P |
| 00:58.32 | Foxbot | kirkburn made 22250 edits, of which 10501 were minor and 11601 were commented. |
| 00:59.10 | pcj | zomg i'm beating kirkburn |
| 01:03.18 | pcj | is the wiki being slow for anyone else |
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| 01:04.02 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Danath_Trollbane Question we usually have quest sections towards end of the article in most zone type pages. Whey do we have them towards the top of npc pages? |
| 01:04.31 | Bagginsww | out of consistency I think quest sections should be under their own heading after the lore |
| 01:04.52 | pcj | Well, quests are more a part of a NPCs role than they are in a zone |
| 01:05.19 | Bagginsww | well this really is only an issue for important characters |
| 01:05.28 | Bagginsww | most of the time the quest stuff is after the lore on minor characters |
| 01:05.37 | Bagginsww | whatever one sentence bit of lore there is |
| 01:07.59 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Phat Loot Phriday: Dory's Embrace - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/04/phat-loot-phriday-dorys-embrace/ |
| 01:08.53 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Abercrombie for example |
| 01:09.47 | Sandwichman2448 | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Server_talk:Sisters_of_Elune_US/Spook&rcid=1027987 |
| 01:09.59 | Sandwichman2448 | heh |
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| 01:14.05 | pcj | Does http://www.wowwiki.com/Lieutenant_Tristia/NPCs_Sells come up for anyone? |
| 01:14.12 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Elinks-object#Improvement_needed |
| 01:16.51 | Gourra | slow wiki is slow |
| 01:18.59 | kd3 | I'm inclined to think that we're doing something with a few templates that we're not supposed to be |
| 01:19.04 | kd3 | wouldn't be the first time |
| 01:19.45 | Gourra | pcj: no doesn't load for me either |
| 01:23.50 | foxlit | kd3: shouldn't be the case, same objection as previously |
| 01:24.21 | foxlit | Pages are generate-once, use-forever; it should be fast to fetch a version of a page that has already been generated |
| 01:25.16 | Bagginsww | slowwiki blows |
| 01:25.29 | kd3 | time to bitch in #wikia, I guess |
| 01:25.37 | foxlit | gogo! |
| 01:29.26 | Bagginsww | so anyways now that npc and characterbox are merged, people need to keep track of minor character's relatives in game |
| 01:29.34 | *** part/#wowwiki Foxbot (n=Foxbot@0x573e6bae.albnxx18.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 01:29.37 | Bagginsww | so we can list how they interconnect |
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| 01:30.00 | Bagginsww | we usually learn about the relationships through quests |
| 01:30.40 | Bagginsww | also keep track of characters mentioned but aren't actually seen in game :) |
| 01:36.59 | pcj | lol |
| 01:38.35 | pcj | !jobqueue |
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| 01:39.19 | Keolah | Paaaaaants. |
| 01:44.04 | pcj | wtb working wowwiki |
| 01:47.23 | Keolah | What's wrong with it? |
| 01:47.29 | kd3 | reiterate my question in #wikia... I poked someone in the ops team but didn't get a response |
| 01:47.39 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Lieutenant_Tristia/NPCs_Sells isn't loading |
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| 01:50.58 | Gourra | pjc: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Lieutenant_Tristia/NPCs_Sells&action=edit |
| 01:51.05 | Gourra | maybe you'll find something there of interest |
| 01:56.04 | Bagginsww | anyone feel like adding http://www.wowwiki.com/Spiderlord |
| 01:56.09 | Bagginsww | a racebox to that article |
| 01:56.13 | Bagginsww | and the queen article |
| 01:57.09 | Bagginsww | while I wouldn't call them subspecies directly, I don't think lore does either, the "castes" do have specialized class information |
| 01:58.46 | Gourra | are item boxes broken in some way? it won't work correctly unless I use disambigpage= |
| 01:59.34 | foxlit | pcj: it responds to raw, but not render |
| 01:59.47 | pcj | well of course raw doesn't expand templates |
| 02:06.41 | foxlit | Killed {{item}} for now |
| 02:08.17 | pcj | Nooooo |
| 02:08.23 | pcj | I was fixing it :( |
| 02:08.36 | foxlit | You were fixing what? :) |
| 02:08.44 | pcj | that page |
| 02:08.48 | pcj | one item at a time lol |
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| 02:17.19 | pcj | tell me when you switch it back on |
| 02:18.43 | foxlit | slowwiki feels better? |
| 02:19.21 | pcj | hmm? |
| 02:19.25 | foxlit | Probably going to leave it this way overnight |
| 02:19.42 | kd3 | I can't even get to the main page. timeouts galore |
| 02:19.59 | foxlit | kd3: delete all wowwiki cookies |
| 02:20.02 | foxlit | then login again |
| 02:20.10 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Aquel%27Luer%27Thala behold |
| 02:20.24 | foxlit | Either that or yanking {{item}} appears to have made everything load decently |
| 02:20.39 | Bagginsww | I have to say its very weird converting rpg mumbo jumbo into meaningful sentences |
| 02:20.47 | Bagginsww | now all it needs is a npcbox |
| 02:20.57 | pcj | ty foxlit that fixed Fx |
| 02:21.29 | foxlit | What, the cookie eating? |
| 02:21.39 | pcj | Yeh |
| 02:21.40 | pcj | lol |
| 02:21.54 | foxlit | Now that's interesting |
| 02:22.41 | pcj | why |
| 02:22.52 | Bagginsww | basically there was nothing much about her except a name, and her classes. So I turned her abilities into sentences, :) |
| 02:23.10 | foxlit | Because there isn't supposed to be a laglikehell=yes cookie :) |
| 02:23.57 | foxlit | Hey, look at my awesome new signature |
| 02:24.00 | Bagginsww | not all the abilities mostly the ones that could make proper sense based on her occupation |
| 02:24.14 | foxlit | (http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Item#Performance) |
| 02:24.47 | Bagginsww | I mean you can't do much with "Base Atk +11" as far as sentences :p |
| 02:25.14 | Bagginsww | but Cha 20, Diplomacy +8, Intimdiate +8, sure |
| 02:25.56 | pcj | you're crazy baggins |
| 02:26.09 | Bagginsww | and she is also a "hero commander" and beloved commander" whatever those mean. But those can be converted into proper sentences |
| 02:26.24 | Bagginsww | thus I mention she is a hero, and and she is beloved, :) |
| 02:27.17 | Bagginsww | if I get around to giving her a npc box under occupation I could mention her profession is "military commander" |
| 02:32.10 | Bagginsww | all baggins have to be a little crazy you know ;) |
| 02:32.24 | Bagginsww | I blaim the ring ;) |
| 02:32.27 | Bagginsww | *blame |
| 02:32.39 | Bagginsww | my precioussss |
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| 02:40.02 | pcj | hi kirkburn |
| 02:40.12 | pcj | did your question on the VP get answered |
| 02:40.25 | Kirkburn | lo |
| 02:40.31 | AFKDuTempete | wait... nuh uh... |
| 02:41.10 | Kirkburn | Wha? :( |
| 02:41.37 | AFKDuTempete | You aren't finished packing :P |
| 02:41.47 | Kirkburn | pcj, it's a fairly major change for instances |
| 02:41.57 | Kirkburn | AFKDuTempete, I'm doing it now :( |
| 02:42.14 | pcj | Yeah, but it needs to be done |
| 02:42.15 | Kirkburn | Strats are a major part of the wiki, so it needs careful thought :) |
| 02:42.22 | AFKDuTempete | Yes, but FSM knows what distractions these people can come up with... |
| 02:43.20 | AFKDuTempete | I'll not have you losing too much sleep, nor forgetting anything! |
| 02:43.51 | pcj | yes, be sure to take all the "implements" |
| 02:44.00 | AFKDuTempete | shut up, pcj. :P |
| 02:44.19 | AFKDuTempete | and l2speel. |
| 02:44.25 | pcj | hmm? |
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| 02:44.39 | pcj | spell what |
| 02:44.48 | AFKDuTempete | impliments |
| 02:45.07 | Sandwichman2448 | Is baggins on? |
| 02:45.14 | pcj | DuTempete: http://www.answers.com/implements&r=67 |
| 02:45.30 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 02:45.49 | foxlit | http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Phase+2+begins+when+Vashj+hits+70%25.%22+%22She+will+run+to+the+middle+of+her+platform%22&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=ULe&filter=0 |
| 02:46.29 | pcj | damn those bosskillers copying off of wowwiki |
| 02:47.06 | Sandwichman2448 | Yeah. |
| 02:47.34 | Sandwichman2448 | I have a questionable edit I want to make. |
| 02:47.38 | foxlit | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&hs=a2y&q=%22The+healers+on+the+main+tank+will+face+a+lot+more+damage+now.%22&btnG=Search |
| 02:47.59 | Kirkburn | "invulerable" >_> |
| 02:48.01 | pcj | Obviously photoshopped |
| 02:48.36 | Kirkburn | People have been known to upload bosskillers content, so don't assume it's not us :P |
| 02:48.49 | pcj | I'm being facetious nub |
| 02:50.51 | Sandwichman2448 | User:Xmuskrat added the great sea idea, even though it was not written by him. Should he be forced to host it to end the debate? |
| 02:51.32 | foxlit | "You may want to review information from fansites with raiding guides. " nudge nudge, wink wink |
| 02:52.00 | Kirkburn | Hmm, should edit that with a copyright warning |
| 02:52.11 | Kirkburn | Someone that isn't me of course, since I'm packing |
| 02:52.31 | foxlit | I like my version better :P |
| 02:52.41 | pcj | Kirkburn's packing a gun, he's gonna use it on people who violate copyright :O |
| 02:52.44 | AFKDuTempete | that's right. |
| 02:52.51 | pcj | Wow, check out that table http://www.wowwiki.com/Eredar_Warlock |
| 02:53.02 | AFKDuTempete | err, not the gun part... |
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| 02:54.29 | Sandwichman2448 | User:Xmuskrat added the great sea idea, even though it was not written by him. Should he be forced to host it to end the debate??? Make it his subpage? Namespace bad? |
| 02:54.55 | Sandwichman2448 | Y/N/SHUT UP SANDWICH! |
| 02:55.07 | Sky2042 | Sandwichman2448: Y/N/SHUT UP SANDWICH!! |
| 02:55.07 | pcj | S |
| 02:55.09 | Sky2042 | happy? |
| 02:55.11 | Sky2042 | =) |
| 02:55.16 | Kirkburn | Sandwichman2448, use the talk page on the wiki :) |
| 02:55.25 | Sandwichman2448 | Ok. |
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| 02:57.26 | pcj | *sigh* |
| 02:57.35 | Kirkburn | Which wasn't code for "quit the channel" :P |
| 02:57.43 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 02:57.44 | pcj | gg kirkburn |
| 02:57.49 | pcj | go back to packing now |
| 02:57.54 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 02:57.55 | AFKDuTempete | hehe |
| 02:58.08 | Kirkburn | Restarting, brb |
| 02:58.10 | Sky2042 | pcj: do you know why http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Lieutenant_Tristia/NPCs_Sells&curid=117645&diff=1106015&oldid=1089931 has things showing up in blue?... is it my page cache r something? |
| 02:58.27 | pcj | foxlit borked {{item}} for the night |
| 02:58.35 | Sky2042 | ah |
| 02:58.59 | Sky2042 | gj foxlit! |
| 02:59.01 | Sky2042 | =) |
| 02:59.12 | foxlit | Thank you, thank you |
| 02:59.18 | pcj | Don't mess with that page until I can go through all the items when {{item}} is working |
| 02:59.38 | AFKDuTempete | damn, you turned foxbot off again :( I wanted to show Kirky its new trick. :( |
| 03:00.15 | foxlit | pcj: If you were really clever, you'd template each row in that :) |
| 03:00.40 | foxlit | Can look up armor type, slot and so on directly |
| 03:01.11 | pcj | Yeah, but that would require me to do a lot more typing instead of just applying my regex to previously-existing {{loot}} links |
| 03:01.18 | kd3 | zone-wide yells, /sigh |
| 03:01.55 | pcj | Hmm, actually it probably wouldn't but it's not that big a deal anyway |
| 03:02.18 | pcj | Not like {{item}} is working right now |
| 03:02.22 | foxlit | naptime :) |
| 03:04.17 | AFKDuTempete | I shouldn't be allowed to own a .357 magnum... |
| 03:04.37 | AFKDuTempete | I get waaaaaay too excited just holding one in a video game... |
| 03:04.52 | pcj | ...well there goes that Christmas idea |
| 03:04.56 | AFKDuTempete | hehe |
| 03:05.28 | Sky2042 | pcj: well, we c an get her an autoshotty instead. =) |
| 03:10.39 | Sky2042 | Kirkburn: Why again are the monobook colors in common.css?... |
| 03:12.24 | pcj | kirkburn isn't in the channel |
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| 03:14.18 | pcj | hi gryphen |
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| 03:45.50 | Bagginsww | you know I wish they'd make ice mages more useful in raids, so that raid leaders would be less likely to force a respec you know? |
| 03:46.10 | Bagginsww | unless they have and I missed the memo, since I last had a chance to play |
| 03:46.55 | Bagginsww | I find ice magery to be more fun, than fire mage personally for the slowing, and easier soloing |
| 03:48.17 | pcj | man, can you imagine what it'd be like if we could use nether drakes in IF |
| 03:48.34 | Bagginsww | in Ironforge? |
| 03:48.38 | pcj | yes |
| 03:48.44 | kd3 | if wouldn't be that bad. SW would be beyond broken, though |
| 03:48.49 | kd3 | s/if/IF/ |
| 03:48.49 | pcj | lol |
| 03:48.52 | Bagginsww | it would be cool |
| 03:48.58 | pcj | IF would be amazing |
| 03:49.03 | pcj | They'd have to do the other levels tho |
| 03:49.22 | Bagginsww | well they'd need to redesign IF so that area with the flying machines connected to the airport |
| 03:50.14 | Bagginsww | for stormwind they'd actually have to design a model for the palace so that it doesn't float anymore |
| 03:50.27 | pcj | lol |
| 03:50.28 | kd3 | there's actually 4 views of the temple iirc |
| 03:50.33 | pcj | SW is glitchy as hell |
| 03:50.36 | kd3 | and most of the buildings only have one wall |
| 03:50.55 | Bagginsww | by the way they complain how bad stormwind is for flying yet you can see how bad it is on certain flightpaths LOL |
| 03:51.08 | Bagginsww | they need to fix it at least for fligh pathing LOL |
| 03:51.25 | Bagginsww | ya sw has no backside graphics |
| 03:51.30 | kd3 | it's easy enough to see if you get good and drunk and the camera zooms all the way out |
| 03:51.35 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 03:51.55 | Bagginsww | but ya SW palace floats of the ground like 30 feet int he air :p |
| 03:52.07 | pcj | lol |
| 03:52.23 | Bagginsww | which if you think about it makes flying Dalaran nothing new, LOL |
| 03:52.40 | pcj | meh, dalaran's a whole city |
| 03:52.43 | Bagginsww | Dalaran think of something new, SW has been doing that for years, ;) |
| 03:52.53 | pcj | that's why dalaran's moving |
| 03:53.03 | Bagginsww | well you can actually get under the city of SW and it appears to float above the ground :p |
| 03:53.21 | kd3 | that's cause it is about a hundred feet above local ground level. |
| 03:53.21 | Bagginsww | Luckily you can't see that from the front :p |
| 03:53.23 | kd3 | map viewers are fun |
| 03:53.44 | Bagginsww | that's something that could be easily fixed too |
| 03:53.50 | Bagginsww | all they'd have to do is raise the terrain |
| 03:54.12 | Bagginsww | and then add graphics to the back wall |
| 03:54.29 | Bagginsww | also they need to open more areas of the palac,e ;) |
| 03:54.29 | pcj | Why don't they? |
| 03:54.34 | pcj | I mean it's seriously obvious |
| 03:54.44 | Bagginsww | I don't know, it would be easy to do in one patch :p |
| 03:54.51 | kd3 | because they'd drop framerates. sw is a hack so low-end computers aren't a slideshow |
| 03:55.33 | Bagginsww | well I know that Outland is aproblem on some of those same low end computers |
| 03:55.38 | pcj | yeah SW is crap for fps |
| 03:55.45 | pcj | but they did fine with shatt |
| 03:56.01 | Bagginsww | shatt isn't a very large or interesting city visually either |
| 03:56.13 | Bagginsww | stormwind is much larger, and more interesting in comparision |
| 03:56.16 | Bagginsww | *comparison |
| 03:56.22 | pcj | hmm |
| 03:56.23 | Bagginsww | and stormwind isn't even finished :p |
| 03:56.39 | pcj | yah wtf sw vault |
| 03:56.45 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 03:56.48 | Bagginsww | and the back gate |
| 03:56.58 | pcj | and the "player housing" area |
| 03:57.02 | Bagginsww | that supposedly supposed to go into stormwind region proper |
| 03:57.13 | Bagginsww | according to Lands of Conflict |
| 03:57.22 | Bagginsww | well its rumored to be player housing |
| 03:57.42 | Bagginsww | where as the RPG says something about some kind of road attacked by dire wolves and harpies |
| 03:58.13 | Bagginsww | and mountains of Stormwind |
| 03:58.31 | Bagginsww | not many people actually live out there apparently, most live in the city because of the dangers |
| 03:59.13 | Bagginsww | but even IF is unfinished as well... wtb Old Ironforge :p |
| 03:59.28 | Bagginsww | that place has the potential to be a fascinating location |
| 03:59.31 | pcj | yeah what's the point of having it virtually finished and not implementing it |
| 03:59.46 | Bagginsww | well basically it'll probably lead to some dungeon |
| 03:59.56 | Bagginsww | its kind of like Uldum at the momment :p |
| 04:00.04 | Bagginsww | leads to a gate you can't enter |
| 04:00.12 | Bagginsww | actually two gates IRC? |
| 04:00.24 | Bagginsww | so the possiblity of a raid and a dungeon? |
| 04:01.07 | Bagginsww | Also imo, Stonetalon could use an overhaul |
| 04:01.18 | pcj | lol |
| 04:01.27 | pcj | yeah, kinda like dustwallow got |
| 04:01.34 | Bagginsww | it should be a much larger zone, and also have a raid dungeon to Oracle cave |
| 04:01.45 | Bagginsww | and Pandaren settlement, ; ) |
| 04:01.53 | Bagginsww | as a neutral faction daily quest area ;) |
| 04:02.08 | pcj | well they certainly won't run out of options if northrend gets delayed |
| 04:02.14 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 04:02.32 | Bagginsww | the thing is there are alot of areas in stonetalon already you can't reach but are full of goblin machinery |
| 04:02.51 | Bagginsww | you can see some of them via flightpath but not all of them as I recall |
| 04:03.15 | Bagginsww | but plenty of room to hide, high level content if they ever introduce flying mounts |
| 04:04.02 | Bagginsww | also wtb Gilneas |
| 04:05.11 | Bagginsww | and Grim Batol |
| 04:05.20 | pcj | mmm gilneas |
| 04:05.32 | pcj | they left out some pretty odd areas |
| 04:05.38 | Bagginsww | and a proper non-instanced Zul'Aman with normal questing and exploration |
| 04:06.05 | Bagginsww | well part of it was at the rate they were going in early design stages WoW would have never been release |
| 04:06.07 | Bagginsww | *d |
| 04:06.11 | kd3 | well, they /forgot/ Gilneas, so... |
| 04:06.18 | Bagginsww | they pretty much wanted to release everything in Azeroth from the get go :p |
| 04:06.26 | Bagginsww | and they were forced to release what they had |
| 04:06.34 | Bagginsww | and forgot about finishing some of the other areas :p |
| 04:06.57 | Bagginsww | however, I'm pretty sure Gilneas will be released whenever they release Kul Tiras :p |
| 04:07.14 | Bagginsww | since Crestfall is owned by Gilneas |
| 04:07.25 | Bagginsww | and is one of the major islands in the Kul Tiras area |
| 04:08.15 | Bagginsww | also what about the northern gate to troll lands in Eversong? |
| 04:08.41 | Bagginsww | I think rather than that leading to a raid, it should just be expanded into greater Zul'aman area |
| 04:08.45 | pcj | all i want is undermine |
| 04:08.54 | Bagginsww | Undermine should be cool |
| 04:09.55 | Bagginsww | imo they should make each expansion manditory to get the next expansion and give them as free downloads like some of the other MMOs do it |
| 04:10.20 | Bagginsww | and then redesign that mandatory base content to remove the instancing |
| 04:10.39 | kd3 | I'd like to see someone go from vanilla wow straight to wrath... 60->68's a rather large jump |
| 04:10.40 | Bagginsww | basically be able to enter qual'thalas seamlessly |
| 04:10.45 | Bagginsww | on the normal map |
| 04:10.57 | Bagginsww | KD3 ya I just don't see that happening really |
| 04:11.19 | Bagginsww | not sure the files would be compatible either |
| 04:11.32 | kd3 | they'd still need to redesign the Azeroth/Kalimdor maps. we can still swim through ghostlands if we never leave the EK map |
| 04:11.36 | Bagginsww | the lack of TBC content might cause issues |
| 04:11.46 | Bagginsww | KD3 ya |
| 04:11.58 | Bagginsww | well if they were to make them seamless it would involve replacing the older area |
| 04:12.42 | Bagginsww | but ya I want to see seamless when I'm going by boat to Kul Tiras and then taking a boat to the Maelstrom :) |
| 04:12.58 | Bagginsww | and any other jumps in between |
| 04:13.49 | Bagginsww | although that would involve having to make the great sea somewhat smaller so that it doesn't take you a day to cross the ocean LOL |
| 04:14.20 | Bagginsww | but the purpse for a seemless ocean could open up the possibility of having your own boats |
| 04:14.35 | Bagginsww | and ultimately getting abilities to eliminate fatique |
| 04:14.43 | pcj | well once the naga perfect their work in zangarmarsh of draining the lakes, they'll probably move on to bigger things |
| 04:14.56 | Bagginsww | how are they doing the boat system in that pirate MMO? |
| 04:15.00 | kd3 | so what happens when you swim east from the aeroth supercontinent or west from kalimdor? |
| 04:15.14 | pcj | you fall down onto outland |
| 04:15.17 | Bagginsww | KD3 they could just have it wrap around |
| 04:15.30 | Bagginsww | for all intents and purposes you just end up on the other side of the other continent |
| 04:15.35 | Bagginsww | like they do in most RPGs |
| 04:15.43 | pcj | wtf azeroth is round? |
| 04:15.48 | kd3 | nowai |
| 04:15.52 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 04:16.17 | pcj | that's very little landmass... |
| 04:16.51 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Otherislands.JPG |
| 04:17.08 | Bagginsww | well so far that's the only official view of the other side of th eworld ;) |
| 04:17.27 | pcj | Yes, those globes are upside down too |
| 04:17.35 | Bagginsww | and if you watch the spinning globe in the intro movies there is just water there :p |
| 04:17.52 | Bagginsww | note quite, I think the globes are just missing a few landmasses |
| 04:18.06 | Bagginsww | the general shape of kalimdor and EK are correct |
| 04:18.18 | Bagginsww | and are right side up |
| 04:18.28 | Bagginsww | its missing northrend |
| 04:18.55 | Bagginsww | I should take a screenshot of the front side for completeness |
| 04:19.20 | pcj | Aren't there any maps of azeroth before the sundering |
| 04:19.27 | Bagginsww | sadly no |
| 04:19.45 | Bagginsww | and you know if Blizzard was more professional they would have had a map included in their fantasy novels :p |
| 04:20.07 | Bagginsww | they should have had retro Kalimdor in the WotA |
| 04:20.16 | kd3 | that was 10k years ago... the night elves were still chilling around the well of eternity back then, weren't they? |
| 04:20.18 | Bagginsww | I love fantasy novel maps |
| 04:20.26 | Bagginsww | yes |
| 04:20.29 | pcj | mmm |
| 04:20.45 | pcj | lol you suit your name baggins, bilbo loved maps too |
| 04:20.50 | Bagginsww | Heh heh |
| 04:21.21 | Bagginsww | I remember loving to do those ITBS test things that had fictional islands on them and you had to answer questions related to them. |
| 04:21.57 | Bagginsww | It was to test social science knowledge or some such |
| 04:22.01 | Bagginsww | I hated the math sections :p |
| 04:23.06 | Bagginsww | there is one map that shows sunken Kalimdor in concept artwork on the DVD but the dimensions of Kalimdor are all off sadly |
| 04:23.19 | Bagginsww | it was definitely early concept |
| 04:23.26 | Bagginsww | pre Warcraft III |
| 04:25.52 | Gourra | speaking of old kalimdor, I stumbled upon this one when resizing images: http://wowwiki.com/Image:Ancient_Kalimdor_Final.jpg |
| 04:26.03 | Bagginsww | The thing about maps though that's cool (and I'm mostly referring to topographic style) is they inspire the imagination. |
| 04:26.07 | Gourra | (note, not official) |
| 04:26.23 | Arideni | my imagination is inspired |
| 04:26.32 | Bagginsww | that's a cool map |
| 04:26.36 | Arideni | I'm having a discussion with someone about how giraffes clean themselves |
| 04:26.49 | Bagginsww | although it looks like the old pre warcraft III shape of Kalimdor :p |
| 04:26.53 | Bagginsww | from old concept art |
| 04:27.05 | Bagginsww | fun |
| 04:27.07 | Gourra | well pre-sundering |
| 04:27.12 | Gourra | sec I'll just add {{speculation}} to it |
| 04:27.23 | Gourra | before someone else do it because everyone are fast here.. |
| 04:27.27 | Bagginsww | let me find the map I'm referring to |
| 04:28.00 | Bagginsww | well one thing blackrock spire shouldn't exist |
| 04:28.09 | Bagginsww | that was created 300 years ago give or take 50 years |
| 04:28.24 | Bagginsww | and it took out an entire section of redridge mountains |
| 04:28.39 | Gourra | alot of stuff can happen in 10,000 years |
| 04:28.42 | Bagginsww | and the map is missing the mountain that became Zandalar |
| 04:29.11 | Bagginsww | goura I"m just saying there was no blackrock spire back then, yet that map shows it LOL |
| 04:29.22 | Gourra | I mean except the blackrock spire |
| 04:29.59 | Bagginsww | dimenions are way off too. its very "squished" and as far as ew know the middle areas sunk, not split apart |
| 04:30.11 | Bagginsww | there was probably some splitting but that that much |
| 04:30.16 | Bagginsww | *not |
| 04:30.29 | Gourra | hm yeah..and the well of eternity probably was a bit smaller |
| 04:30.48 | Bagginsww | it was a big lake but ya I don't think it took up all the continent |
| 04:30.55 | Bagginsww | I mean that much of it |
| 04:30.57 | Gourra | :p |
| 04:31.05 | Bagginsww | so ya |
| 04:31.07 | Bagginsww | I agree |
| 04:31.25 | Bagginsww | and stonetalon mountains not sure I think those were created during the sundering |
| 04:31.33 | Bagginsww | used to bge a valley IIRC |
| 04:32.09 | Bagginsww | you know I'm sure if I could find someone who is a good cartographer, and help them with the citations |
| 04:32.15 | Bagginsww | we could come up with a fairly interesting map |
| 04:32.20 | Yeppy | I want to be a celt and run around with warpaint |
| 04:32.28 | Yeppy | nothing but war paint. |
| 04:32.32 | Bagginsww | hah hah |
| 04:32.45 | Bagginsww | not egven a sword? |
| 04:32.53 | Yeppy | nah |
| 04:33.05 | Yeppy | climb up trees and jump on me enemy |
| 04:33.11 | Yeppy | my scary war paint will be enough |
| 04:33.30 | Bagginsww | I could probably come up with something in paint, but my art skills are so so, :p |
| 04:33.35 | Bagginsww | I should show you a map I made once |
| 04:33.48 | Yeppy | You made a map? what for... |
| 04:34.02 | Yeppy | sorry there just too much txt to read to catch onto the conversation >< |
| 04:34.21 | Sky2042 | read faster. |
| 04:34.24 | Bagginsww | http://www.sq7.org/KQ/index.php/Image:Worldmapalligned.PNG some scaling issue, and it was done in paint |
| 04:34.24 | Sky2042 | =; |
| 04:34.26 | Sky2042 | ;) |
| 04:34.43 | Bagginsww | needs a slight update actually, as I got some official informatin |
| 04:34.49 | Gourra | What Map? I Don't See Any Map. |
| 04:34.54 | Yeppy | my contrast is weird, white txt is actualy blinding me >< but its ok in WoW so i dont change it |
| 04:34.56 | Bagginsww | the link above |
| 04:35.10 | Gourra | Bagginsww, hint hint shattrat quest |
| 04:35.14 | Gourra | shattrath* |
| 04:35.23 | Gourra | btw, nice map :p |
| 04:35.29 | Bagginsww | basically its based on this map |
| 04:35.32 | Bagginsww | http://www.sq7.org/KQ/index.php/Image:DaventryMOE.PNG |
| 04:35.39 | Bagginsww | and trying to figure where it fit into this map |
| 04:35.42 | pcj | lol you're that baggins too eh |
| 04:35.59 | Bagginsww | http://www.sq7.org/KQ/index.php/Image:Daventrycontinent.JPG |
| 04:36.01 | Bagginsww | yes I am |
| 04:36.04 | Bagginsww | and an admin there |
| 04:36.25 | Yeppy | Baggins, if you want that map to look nicer, i could have ago for you ^^ |
| 04:36.40 | Gourra | Bagginsww: http://www.wowhead.com/?quest=10231 |
| 04:36.41 | Bagginsww | although I need to get ahold of the powers that be there, and tell them to fix the spam bot problem :p |
| 04:36.52 | pcj | lol baggins you wrote on my talk page http://www.sq7.org/KQ/index.php/User_talk:Pcj |
| 04:37.03 | Bagginsww | yeppy cool go ahead I'd like to see your take on it ;) |
| 04:37.12 | Gourra | oh, yes, just noticed. |
| 04:37.16 | Bagginsww | although there aren't currently upload privalges I think because of the spam issue |
| 04:37.29 | Bagginsww | oh wow |
| 04:37.34 | pcj | no, don't think colin will be around much |
| 04:37.39 | Bagginsww | didn't notice you were the same pcj, LOL |
| 04:37.39 | pcj | the SQ7 project is shut down |
| 04:37.43 | Gourra | I'm less than 6 months younger than you pcj |
| 04:37.48 | Bagginsww | that's sad |
| 04:37.58 | Gourra | indeed it is |
| 04:38.11 | Bagginsww | sad that sq7 is shut down |
| 04:38.19 | Bagginsww | I'd hate for the KQ one to be, I put so much time and effort into it |
| 04:38.22 | Gourra | me too |
| 04:38.36 | Bagginsww | I mean so much time and effort |
| 04:38.42 | Bagginsww | i created nearly every page :p |
| 04:38.49 | *** join/#wowwiki Sky2042_ (n=Sky2042@c-76-105-227-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:38.50 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Sky2042_] by ChanServ |
| 04:38.51 | pcj | lol yeah |
| 04:39.16 | Bagginsww | wonders what it would take to transport it over to wikia |
| 04:39.32 | pcj | probably not hard |
| 04:39.37 | pcj | once you delete all the spam |
| 04:39.40 | Bagginsww | and how to back up the database, :p. "needs more power" |
| 04:40.12 | *** join/#wowwiki Tinyboom (n=u@113.84-49-90.nextgentel.com) |
| 04:40.17 | Bagginsww | and I want to do a Quest for Glory Wiki too |
| 04:40.28 | Gourra | "You must construct additional servers" |
| 04:40.30 | pcj | mmm |
| 04:40.34 | pcj | QFG wiki would be hawt |
| 04:40.49 | Bagginsww | I bought the novelized sourcebook for the games |
| 04:40.58 | Bagginsww | the one was co-written by the coles |
| 04:41.09 | Bagginsww | alot of cool info in there |
| 04:41.28 | Bagginsww | although what little I read its not as fun to read as King's Quest Companion |
| 04:41.39 | Gourra | Bagginsww: http://wowwiki.com/Quest:What_Book%3F_I_Don%27t_See_Any_Book. |
| 04:42.34 | Bagginsww | PCJ Your middle name is my first name |
| 04:42.48 | pcj | Nice |
| 04:43.08 | Bagginsww | Its a good strong name :) |
| 04:43.24 | pcj | lol my name means "Nobleman man" |
| 04:43.36 | Bagginsww | Heh |
| 04:44.16 | Bagginsww | or Manly Nobleman, IIRC |
| 04:44.29 | pcj | heh |
| 04:45.07 | Bagginsww | so ya if you know any of the sysops and can get thme to transfer the server, I'd appreciate that :) |
| 04:45.49 | pcj | Oh, idk what he would do, but you might drop him a line if you haven't already, at colin@sq7.org |
| 04:46.01 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Ruins_of_Thaurissan&diff=prev&oldid=1106246 huh |
| 04:47.05 | Gourra | seems a bit strange to put that in brackets. or maybe it's just me |
| 04:48.39 | Bagginsww | beacuse half-Kaldorei links to Half-Night elf |
| 04:48.45 | Bagginsww | which is her race |
| 04:49.29 | Gourra | I am not sure we're looking at the same page here |
| 04:49.35 | pcj | ...yeah |
| 04:49.35 | pcj | what |
| 04:49.49 | Bagginsww | I was looking at one of your recent edits |
| 04:50.29 | Gourra | I am not referring to that |
| 04:50.41 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 04:51.10 | Gourra | oh. right, was just seeing the image. sorry |
| 04:52.17 | Gourra | and by the way, the link at the bottom is broken |
| 04:52.30 | Bagginsww | which page are we looking at now |
| 04:52.37 | Bagginsww | that has as broken link? |
| 04:52.52 | *** join/#wowwiki Sky2042__ (n=Sky2042@c-76-105-227-156.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:52.55 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ruins_of_Thaurissan |
| 04:53.47 | pcj | ~seen thrae |
| 04:53.49 | infobot | thrae is currently on #wowi-lounge #wowhead #wowace #wowwiki. Has said a total of 315 messages. Is idling for 3d 7h 12m 37s, last said: 'A Warrior running up to an opponent and just spamming everything they can isn't skill. ALL classes should have to be wary of their surroundings.'. |
| 04:54.26 | Bagginsww | So anyways yeppy the biggest issue with my fan concept map, was I made it when I thought that perhaps Castle Daventry from King's Quest 8 was different one than one seen in previous game and sources. |
| 04:54.51 | Bagginsww | and I contacted the designer of Mask of Eternity, and confirmed it was intended to be the same castle |
| 04:55.14 | Bagginsww | as for its location it either moved or half the continent fell into the sea |
| 04:55.35 | Bagginsww | and a mountain arose under it :p |
| 04:56.02 | Bagginsww | which is highly possible considering the flux that world is in according to Derek Karlavaegan |
| 04:56.15 | Bagginsww | for anyone who is curious, Derek is like King's Quest's Brann |
| 04:56.57 | Gourra | I just noticed I've been doing stuff on wowwiki for 5 hours |
| 04:57.00 | Gourra | and it's 6am now |
| 04:57.03 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 04:57.06 | Gourra | hm |
| 04:57.10 | Gourra | gnight |
| 04:57.16 | Bagginsww | needs a T-shirt that says, "No Life" |
| 04:57.24 | Gourra | more like "Unemployed" |
| 04:57.29 | Bagginsww | and "How do you kill that which has no life" |
| 04:58.25 | Bagginsww | So basically Yeppy I've always planned to if I had the time create two seperate maps portraying those two scenarious |
| 04:58.56 | Bagginsww | one showing the world as if the castle was magically transported to another location on the continent |
| 04:59.10 | Bagginsww | and one as if whole western half the continent had magically disappeared somewhere |
| 05:00.17 | Bagginsww | that scenariou actually happened once before apparently. Between time of KQ3 and KQ5 |
| 05:00.34 | Bagginsww | except during that time Serenia, was missing |
| 05:01.34 | Yeppy | sorry was afk havin a lil go in paint ^^ |
| 05:01.37 | Bagginsww | and ya if you haven't noticed they were actually explanations to explain inconsistencies in the in the games lOL |
| 05:02.21 | Bagginsww | not mine, but Dereks heh |
| 05:02.25 | Bagginsww | no problem |
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| 05:09.39 | Yeppy | haha was a crappy attempt, me no good at 5am >< |
| 05:11.17 | Yeppy | doodles i do in paint http://members.lycos.co.uk/yeppykinkster/davegravehead.bmp |
| 05:11.44 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 05:12.19 | Bagginsww | that one on the bottome reminds of frylocke |
| 05:12.53 | Yeppy | o_O |
| 05:13.31 | Yeppy | maade him in paint http://members.lycos.co.uk/yeppykinkster/Furyavatar7.gif ^^ |
| 05:15.55 | Yeppy | now i muust sleep >< |
| 05:21.24 | kd3 | ahahaha... random japanese SC2 humor. the caption for this image on the blog I found it at is "See! Hydralisks *ARE* tsundere!" |
| 05:21.25 | kd3 | http://img244.imageshack.us/img244/7924/1187507555947gn3.jpg |
| 05:22.20 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsundere |
| 05:25.13 | Fisker- | rawr kd3_ |
| 05:25.14 | Fisker- | ? |
| 05:25.29 | kd3 | apologies to those of you who don't get it. it's not easily explained to someone not well-versed in anime fandom |
| 05:26.28 | pcj | i.e., most of us |
| 05:26.43 | Bagginsww | sorry only know a few anime series |
| 05:27.04 | Bagginsww | and those girls look like a cross between zergs and metroid space pirates |
| 05:33.45 | Keolah | Um... I used to watch Dragon Ball Z. I got bored of it and stopped watching. Tuned in a month later and they were still fighting the same guy. |
| 05:33.57 | Bagginsww | dbz always bored me |
| 05:34.01 | Bagginsww | I like the artist though |
| 05:34.03 | Keolah | And that's about the limit of the anime I've watched ;p |
| 05:34.09 | Keolah | Well, unless you count hentai... |
| 05:34.15 | Bagginsww | lawl |
| 05:34.32 | Arideni | oO |
| 05:34.34 | MentalPower|Gone | yaoi FTW! :P |
| 05:34.45 | Bagginsww | DBZ has no story, and bores me because of that |
| 05:34.49 | Arideni | omg |
| 05:34.50 | Keolah | Oh, DBZ has a story. |
| 05:35.01 | Bagginsww | just not one that interests me |
| 05:35.04 | Keolah | Just so little of it that they have to drag it out over a billion episodes. |
| 05:35.14 | Bagginsww | its as bad as soap opera |
| 05:35.20 | MentalPower|Gone | worse |
| 05:35.24 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 05:35.34 | Arideni | Soap operas can be good if done right |
| 05:35.47 | Bagginsww | I just hope if they ever do a Chrono Trigger tv series they dodn't do it like DBZ :p |
| 05:35.52 | Arideni | not like that ever happens, though |
| 05:35.59 | Bagginsww | Oh Dark Shadows was cool |
| 05:36.14 | Arideni | I need a stock image of a canary /cry |
| 05:36.15 | Bagginsww | few episodes I watched dripped with atmosphere |
| 05:36.18 | Arideni | that doesn't cost 200$ |
| 05:36.19 | Keolah | I'd watch soap operas if they had a better setting. |
| 05:36.25 | Keolah | I'd watch a fantasy or scifi based soap opera ;p |
| 05:36.32 | Bagginsww | dark shadows had that gothic horror setting |
| 05:36.38 | Bagginsww | if you like vampires and stuff like that |
| 05:36.40 | Keolah | I don't care if they used cheap plastic elf ears. |
| 05:36.40 | Arideni | Soaps are great for acting |
| 05:36.59 | Bagginsww | space opera is better, ;) |
| 05:37.02 | Keolah | Let's get William Shatner to play a shaman. ;;p |
| 05:37.07 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 05:37.23 | Keolah | Oh yeah, that'd be a riot. WoW soap opera. |
| 05:37.25 | Bagginsww | they so needed to get Leonard Nemoy to play something |
| 05:37.43 | Arideni | WoW already is a soap opera, there's a million stories just ask guildmasters |
| 05:37.54 | Arideni | Troll, he has to be a troll |
| 05:37.57 | Bagginsww | Leonard Nemoy as a draenei |
| 05:38.15 | Arideni | isn't he spock or something the guy with the ears |
| 05:38.25 | Bagginsww | right |
| 05:38.32 | Bagginsww | but also fairly emotionless |
| 05:38.39 | Keolah | and from outer space! |
| 05:38.43 | Bagginsww | except when drama asks for it :) |
| 05:38.48 | Bagginsww | exactly outer space |
| 05:38.57 | kd3 | spock? drama? |
| 05:39.00 | Arideni | I saw this episode at like 2am once lol |
| 05:39.30 | Keolah | Spock was technically half human. |
| 05:39.33 | Arideni | it was so funny, they were stuck on a little landing craft (a really huge white box with a red stripe that rocks back and forth) on some planet without enough fuel to leave...and there were dangerous fog monsters |
| 05:39.38 | Bagginsww | yes he was |
| 05:39.53 | Arideni | spock was like well we have to kill one of you or leave you behind so we can fly away |
| 05:39.54 | Bagginsww | and he battled that humanit in many episodes :p |
| 05:40.09 | Bagginsww | He hated his humanity |
| 05:40.15 | Bagginsww | or rather disliked |
| 05:40.26 | Bagginsww | although even that is an emotion :p |
| 05:40.27 | Arideni | I kept waiting to see some kind of monster =( it was just a lot of fog, but it made you really use your imagination |
| 05:40.29 | Keolah | At least until the fourth movie when he started laughing for no reason. |
| 05:40.48 | Bagginsww | but ya vulcan's act like they have no emotions but they really do have them, just masked :p |
| 05:41.09 | Bagginsww | arideni that's the ep with the weird giants that toss rocks right? |
| 05:41.41 | Bagginsww | That's actually one of my least favorite eps, its kind of slow. |
| 05:41.57 | Keolah | I always like dthe Romulans better, anyway. |
| 05:42.10 | Keolah | They didn't get enough exploration! ;p |
| 05:42.14 | Keolah | Until that crappy movie. |
| 05:42.22 | Bagginsww | romulans are like vulcans in reverse. They highly emotional |
| 05:42.35 | Bagginsww | but usually that emotion is revenge :p |
| 05:42.41 | Bagginsww | and anger |
| 05:43.09 | Arideni | Lol conan is talking about chuck norris & mike hukabee in the same set |
| 05:43.11 | Bagginsww | I missed most of TNG, it never explored the romulans? |
| 05:43.19 | Keolah | Well, that's because the main characters were generally humans and other federation screwballs they didn't like. ;p |
| 05:43.26 | Keolah | Barely. |
| 05:43.35 | Keolah | There was like, one two-part episode with Spock on Romulus that did a bit. |
| 05:43.39 | Keolah | And a few others. |
| 05:43.44 | Keolah | But really not much ;p |
| 05:43.54 | Bagginsww | misses enterprise, if only it had the writers it had for the last season earlier on :p |
| 05:44.14 | Bagginsww | I liked the spock on romulus ep |
| 05:44.43 | Bagginsww | oh and I loved that one romulan ep in Voyager |
| 05:44.52 | Keolah | Oh, Enterprise. |
| 05:45.00 | Keolah | "Well, after Voyager, at least it can't get any worse." I said. |
| 05:45.01 | Bagginsww | the one where they were contacting the romulan in the past |
| 05:45.05 | Keolah | Then along came Enterprise. |
| 05:45.32 | Bagginsww | Enterprise had promice unfortunately with B&B in charge it never really went anywhere |
| 05:45.57 | Bagginsww | they discussed a series with no prime directive |
| 05:46.06 | Bagginsww | yet the series had a proto-prime directive |
| 05:46.24 | Bagginsww | they never really made any discisions that would effect a society's development |
| 05:46.30 | Bagginsww | except in the third season |
| 05:46.36 | Bagginsww | third season was actually pretty dark |
| 05:46.54 | Bagginsww | and since it was more serial like more interesting |
| 05:47.04 | Bagginsww | as in if you missed an ep you'd lose the story |
| 05:47.24 | Bagginsww | instead of star trek's standard stand alone plotlines |
| 05:47.35 | Bagginsww | but third season had the mini arcs |
| 05:47.47 | Bagginsww | and the non B&B eps were awesome |
| 05:48.06 | Bagginsww | they were actually tieing original series to the prequel |
| 05:48.19 | Bagginsww | like explaining Klingons head issue |
| 05:48.26 | Bagginsww | which was a surprisingly good episode |
| 05:48.33 | Bagginsww | and the mirrior universe episode :) |
| 05:48.49 | Bagginsww | which explained a few things as well |
| 05:49.12 | Bagginsww | unfortunately B&B screwed up on the final episodes :p |
| 05:49.17 | Bagginsww | *episode |
| 05:49.33 | Bagginsww | making it a stupid holodeck simulation in TNG era |
| 05:49.40 | Keolah | I never actually watched much of Enterprise. The episodes I did catch pissed me off enough to not bother trying to catch it most of the time. |
| 05:50.11 | Bagginsww | well the stuff I liked was when it tied in original series stuff |
| 05:50.25 | Bagginsww | like Andorians |
| 05:50.26 | Keolah | Like this one episode which basically said "Feminism is _bad_. The repressed gender should just be happy to stay in their repressed role. And trying to help people is bad too." |
| 05:50.49 | pcj | hmm i liked 4th season enterprise |
| 05:50.55 | Bagginsww | ya that was the best season |
| 05:50.59 | Bagginsww | except the ending :p |
| 05:51.05 | pcj | well duh |
| 05:51.31 | pcj | manny coto did some good work but then brannon and braga took back over |
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| 05:51.38 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 05:51.51 | Bagginsww | I'm happy b & b will likely never ever touch star trek again |
| 05:52.02 | Keolah | But hell, Voyager wasn't so terrible most of the time, just mediocre, and it had a few fair gems. Had a few real stinkers too, but ;p |
| 05:52.12 | Bagginsww | although I hate the idea that they might go for a "reboot" |
| 05:52.14 | Keolah | Let's just not discuss the episode where Paris turned into an amphibian and mated with the captain. |
| 05:52.20 | pcj | lol |
| 05:52.27 | Bagginsww | Voyager was fun. Not earth shatteringly brilliant |
| 05:52.30 | pcj | :Threshold" |
| 05:52.30 | Bagginsww | but fun to watch |
| 05:52.35 | Keolah | Yep. That one. |
| 05:52.38 | Bagginsww | yes threshold LOL |
| 05:52.44 | Keolah | How going infinitely fast turns you into an amphibian, I don't know. |
| 05:52.57 | Keolah | methinks the writers were on LSD ;p |
| 05:53.01 | Bagginsww | it wasn't infinitely fast, being in all palces at once :p |
| 05:53.02 | pcj | Increases rate of evolution is what they said |
| 05:53.10 | Keolah | And how that's more evolved? |
| 05:53.24 | Keolah | Man, I'd hope in a million years we wouldn't look like that. |
| 05:53.28 | Bagginsww | well it was more of a devolution :p |
| 05:53.49 | Bagginsww | what's scary is those creatures are still out there on some planet :p |
| 05:54.01 | Keolah | And the crew didn't see any problem in just leaving them there. |
| 05:54.06 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 05:54.09 | pcj | nah, for the whole evolution thing, it's TNG's "Genesis" |
| 05:54.28 | Keolah | Was that the episode where Barclay turned into a spider? |
| 05:54.32 | pcj | yeh |
| 05:54.52 | Keolah | Okay, my flight finally arrived, going back to questing now, ;p |
| 05:55.00 | Bagginsww | which one discussed the idea that aliens were seeded by some master race? |
| 05:55.33 | Bagginsww | which was actually a fairly overused plot idea in many scifi universes :p |
| 05:55.43 | Bagginsww | for explaining why races can mate |
| 05:55.49 | Bagginsww | outside their species :p |
| 05:55.54 | pcj | uhhhhh |
| 05:56.06 | pcj | "The Chase" |
| 05:56.18 | Bagginsww | your good with the names heh |
| 05:57.07 | Bagginsww | but ya final episode of enterprise. what made no sense was how aliens could board the ship without so much one security guard slowing them down :p |
| 05:57.22 | Bagginsww | and trip's totally out of character suicide :p |
| 05:57.43 | Bagginsww | and there was no discussion of security guards whatsoever |
| 05:57.56 | Bagginsww | like they simply don't exist :p |
| 05:59.15 | Bagginsww | at least when ship was boarded in 100's of other star trek episodes you saw some secruity guards die |
| 06:00.05 | Bagginsww | of course in stargate series the heroes always manage to infiltrate heavily guarded citadels with little problem even if they run into secruity guards, ;) |
| 06:00.06 | pcj | well i suppose that incident is why they invented force fields |
| 06:00.45 | Bagginsww | well it just didn't mesh with previous enterprise episodes where we did see security guards show up. |
| 06:00.52 | Bagginsww | when they were infiltrated |
| 06:01.35 | Bagginsww | and the group of aliens in the final episode didn't even look like they had any special equipment to mask their existence either. |
| 06:01.41 | Bagginsww | they seemed overall clueless too |
| 06:01.43 | pcj | lol |
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| 06:02.09 | Bagginsww | I mean we have seen aliens with fancier equiepment board and have problems with security |
| 06:02.10 | pcj | DS9 had the best finale |
| 06:02.19 | pcj | Voyager's was pretty stupid |
| 06:02.28 | pcj | TNG was OK but you had Generations coming up |
| 06:02.30 | Bagginsww | I liked voyager's because it brought closure |
| 06:02.41 | pcj | lol voyager's didn't bring closue |
| 06:02.43 | pcj | closure |
| 06:02.44 | pcj | * |
| 06:02.47 | Bagginsww | they made it back to earth |
| 06:02.51 | pcj | they just got home and that was it |
| 06:02.57 | Bagginsww | and that was the point of the story |
| 06:03.00 | Bagginsww | to get back home |
| 06:03.13 | pcj | i think anticlimatic is the word you're looking for |
| 06:03.18 | Bagginsww | I mean they could ahve ended it with them stuck out in the far reacheds of space |
| 06:03.40 | Bagginsww | but the story did what it set out to do, bring them full circle |
| 06:04.18 | Bagginsww | as for DS9 ending I'm mixed about it |
| 06:05.01 | Bagginsww | it left a few loose ends |
| 06:05.18 | pcj | sure |
| 06:05.26 | pcj | movie option lol |
| 06:05.29 | Bagginsww | I think that's why it spawned a "season 8" |
| 06:05.34 | Bagginsww | in the books |
| 06:05.51 | Bagginsww | rather than just a bunch of random books |
| 06:06.00 | Bagginsww | and no I don't read the books |
| 06:06.05 | Bagginsww | seems pointless to me |
| 06:06.25 | Bagginsww | but ya I'd like to see a DS9 movie |
| 06:06.31 | Bagginsww | but I don't ever see it happening :( |
| 06:06.47 | pcj | nah not with ST11 coming out based on TOS |
| 06:06.59 | pcj | well ofc it starts in the TNG era |
| 06:06.59 | Bagginsww | which may or may not be a partial reboot :p |
| 06:07.24 | Bagginsww | although I haven't read the latest rumors about it |
| 06:07.38 | pcj | i wouldn't get too excited |
| 06:07.47 | pcj | kirk takes the kobiyashi maru or something |
| 06:07.50 | pcj | and spock is there somehow |
| 06:07.54 | Bagginsww | I generally hate series that get rebooted |
| 06:08.22 | Bagginsww | they totally screwed over highlander in my personal opinion |
| 06:08.41 | pcj | lo |
| 06:08.41 | pcj | l |
| 06:09.03 | Bagginsww | granted highlander had issues when they decided to make a sequel anways |
| 06:09.16 | Bagginsww | the sequel was sort of a mini reboot :p |
| 06:09.48 | Bagginsww | to tell the truth I never really liked the tv series tha tmuch |
| 06:10.45 | Bagginsww | I suppose I've seen enough superman reboots it's never bothered me that much :p |
| 06:11.02 | Bagginsww | I just take each series at its own level |
| 06:11.18 | Bagginsww | smallville is fun, even though its technically a reboot type storyline |
| 06:11.19 | Arideni | well Superman is kind of fluid |
| 06:11.26 | Arideni | Yeah |
| 06:11.44 | Arideni | You can't really get semantic about artistry or you fail to see the point |
| 06:11.49 | Bagginsww | Lionel is one of my favorite superman characters even if he never existed before |
| 06:12.13 | Arideni | He existed before Smallville |
| 06:12.25 | Bagginsww | nah Lex's father was much different and a different name |
| 06:12.50 | Arideni | but what I love |
| 06:12.55 | Bagginsww | Lionel is purely a creation of smallville. |
| 06:12.57 | Arideni | is how they did it really well I've only seen like season 1, and part of 2 |
| 06:13.02 | Arideni | Who coulda thought what's his name played Jonathan Kent lol |
| 06:13.26 | Arideni | Oh, I swear I heard Lionel mentioned elsewhere, though |
| 06:13.27 | Bagginsww | oh I liked the episode where they got his costar from Dukes of Hazzard |
| 06:13.58 | Bagginsww | well I think Lionel or the name was tossed into a post smallville comic series |
| 06:14.07 | Arideni | I'm not entirely into all of it, my step dad is though |
| 06:14.07 | Arideni | I'm a Batman person<- |
| 06:14.10 | Bagginsww | He's getting pretty popular |
| 06:14.16 | Bagginsww | I'm more of ab atman person too |
| 06:14.35 | Bagginsww | I mean a super hero that isn't actually super |
| 06:14.42 | Bagginsww | has to rely on his brain and his gadgets |
| 06:15.01 | Bagginsww | more of a straightforward Zorro/detective character |
| 06:15.29 | Bagginsww | Speaking of Zorro absolutely love the remake movies |
| 06:15.36 | Arideni | I was into batman when I was little, I loved Joker & Batman both equally...I loved the Adam West shows |
| 06:15.45 | Arideni | Yeah exactly, growing up...anyone could be batman you wouldn't know |
| 06:15.52 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 06:16.13 | Bagginsww | I never quite understand how people can't tell super man is clark kent |
| 06:16.25 | Arideni | I haven't seen them all |
| 06:16.35 | Arideni | We don't have cable out here so it's kinda blah when you want to just watch something |
| 06:16.44 | Bagginsww | I mean putting on glasses, and combing your hair back isn't really that much of a difference |
| 06:17.05 | Arideni | Because he acts so dorky lol |
| 06:17.09 | Arideni | So mild mannered, cough |
| 06:17.16 | Bagginsww | lol ya |
| 06:17.30 | Bagginsww | although I doubt smallville versoin could get away with that |
| 06:17.33 | Arideni | well I dunno, we know he's superman...but what if you were Jimmy? |
| 06:17.49 | Bagginsww | the smallville clark kent is very assertive |
| 06:17.55 | Bagginsww | almost too much |
| 06:17.57 | Arideni | & Louis is so wrapped up into Superman she doesn't even give a look at Clark |
| 06:18.04 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 06:18.40 | Bagginsww | well my favorite joker was probably the one on Adam West series |
| 06:18.48 | Bagginsww | followed by the animated series |
| 06:19.01 | Arideni | Yeah, like I said I'm only on the early seasons, it gives a nice little touch of drama show, but you can't help but wonder how much weird crap can go on lol, that Wall is only so big |
| 06:19.02 | Bagginsww | I loved the darkness of the animated series |
| 06:19.10 | Arideni | yeah |
| 06:19.19 | Arideni | well Jack Nicholson is one of a kind. |
| 06:19.33 | Bagginsww | ya, it was mark hamill in the animated series |
| 06:19.42 | Arideni | There will never, ever be a better original Batman movie than keaton |
| 06:19.48 | Bagginsww | but he was kinda going for the nicholson style I suppose |
| 06:19.55 | Bagginsww | I agree there |
| 06:20.09 | Bagginsww | I don't see why the reboot is that popular |
| 06:20.09 | Arideni | but we get to experience the movie from a different perspective now |
| 06:20.32 | Bagginsww | I actually was hoping the reboot was going to be just a prequel to the original movie series :p |
| 06:20.39 | Arideni | so instead of bashing or comparing the two...which there IS no comparison to Palance, Nicholson, Keaton and the rest...you have to accept it as a new slate |
| 06:20.45 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 06:21.10 | Bagginsww | to be fair what I've seen of new Joker, the acting is good, but I the make up looks cheap |
| 06:21.14 | Arideni | Begins was done good, I liked it, though it's a little different from the original...who doesn't want to see the devil dance in the pale moonlight? |
| 06:21.30 | Bagginsww | my only issue with Begins was gotham wasn't gotham enough |
| 06:21.42 | Bagginsww | it looked more like metropolis |
| 06:21.50 | Arideni | It didn't look new yorkish enough lol |
| 06:21.55 | Bagginsww | too modern not enough gargoyles |
| 06:21.59 | Arideni | yeah |
| 06:22.06 | Bagginsww | way too shiny |
| 06:22.08 | Arideni | the gothic look, =p |
| 06:22.13 | Bagginsww | exactly |
| 06:22.14 | Arideni | Not enough stone |
| 06:22.25 | Bagginsww | it actually looks more like post earthquake gotham |
| 06:22.35 | Bagginsww | the one lex rebuilt |
| 06:23.16 | Bagginsww | I'd love to see a batman and superman movie, or the whole team ;) |
| 06:23.25 | Arideni | Justice League? |
| 06:23.37 | Bagginsww | yep |
| 06:23.39 | Arideni | I dunno, everyone seemed to think the X men movies were great...but I thought they were a little...strange |
| 06:23.48 | Bagginsww | xmen is different though |
| 06:23.52 | Arideni | true |
| 06:23.56 | Bagginsww | they aren't as super heroish |
| 06:24.04 | Bagginsww | I mean people generally love superman |
| 06:24.12 | Bagginsww | but mutants are loathed by most humans:p |
| 06:24.23 | Bagginsww | at least what I've seen of xmen |
| 06:24.28 | Arideni | You can't always balance a movie just because of who's acting or who the character is, you have to give everything to the story or it's not going to come off right. I think a lot of actors etc or "favorite" characters in the eyes of the makers screw that part up |
| 06:24.40 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 06:24.47 | Bagginsww | some actors just don't fit the role |
| 06:25.11 | Arideni | That's what I loved about Christian Bale, he seemed to be given balance in the movie & it wasn't focused all about him, but his story |
| 06:25.21 | Arideni | exactly |
| 06:25.34 | Bagginsww | I hate the fact that because of Begins they aren't letting bruce wayne into smallville |
| 06:25.39 | Bagginsww | why should it matter... |
| 06:25.45 | Arideni | One of my fav parts in Begins was with the horseman in the fog |
| 06:25.49 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 06:26.05 | Arideni | I wanted to see the eyes glowing & take on that scary tone so badly... |
| 06:26.07 | Bagginsww | I want to see scarecrow return but in his full costome |
| 06:26.10 | Bagginsww | *costume |
| 06:26.19 | Arideni | It was still nice, but I wanted it to be a little more there |
| 06:26.26 | Bagginsww | I mean what's up with super villains looking like regular humans with a bad hair day :p |
| 06:26.43 | Bagginsww | the new joker looks like put on lipstick wrong |
| 06:26.51 | Bagginsww | and mussed his hair |
| 06:27.02 | Bagginsww | doesn't look very clownish |
| 06:27.13 | Arideni | I think what they tried doing was introduce the characters without going over the top, "OK, look, we already gots some sortuva big bat - we can't have some freak show running around out h're, eh?!" |
| 06:27.48 | Arideni | I haven't seen or heard much of the new movie, just know like the actor for joker & batman lol? |
| 06:27.51 | Bagginsww | well its just funny he looks more over the top than the villains :p |
| 06:27.59 | Bagginsww | check out the trailer |
| 06:28.12 | Arideni | Got a direct download? net sucks here but I can use a dl manager |
| 06:29.08 | Bagginsww | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:29.27 | Arideni | yeah I think I'll see what I can find later |
| 06:29.36 | Arideni | right now, trying to find copyright info on Flickr |
| 06:29.50 | Bagginsww | anycase beyond new joker's personality I"m just not that impressed with his appearance |
| 06:30.19 | Bagginsww | basically if you could somehow take the new joker's personality but nicholson's appearance it would be a great combination |
| 06:30.29 | Arideni | Heath Ledger did alright in A Knight's Tale but it's just hard to picture anyone after Jack as Joker lol |
| 06:30.52 | Bagginsww | Here's Johnnny |
| 06:30.55 | Arideni | Gosh, I can hear him laughing right now. Totally crazy & love that suit |
| 06:31.03 | Bagginsww | jack is just great at those kinda crazy characters |
| 06:31.17 | Bagginsww | sigh I need to get batman collection :p |
| 06:31.19 | Arideni | LMFAO I was so going to say Heeeeere's Johnny but figured it wasn't the right time, =P |
| 06:31.21 | Bagginsww | I haven't seen those movies in years |
| 06:31.29 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 06:31.34 | Arideni | that movie rocked lol |
| 06:31.38 | Bagginsww | I need tos ee it |
| 06:31.46 | Bagginsww | I saw the mini series remake |
| 06:31.50 | Arideni | I remember something about the pepsi or peanut butter jar they had in the kitchen |
| 06:32.02 | Bagginsww | shining is an awesome ghost story |
| 06:32.14 | Bagginsww | shining that's the name right? |
| 06:32.17 | Arideni | I don't remember what it was, I think it was when they started letting advertising off the hook in movies |
| 06:32.20 | Arideni | The Shining yes |
| 06:32.24 | Arideni | Stephen King |
| 06:32.27 | Arideni | That was freaky |
| 06:32.28 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 06:32.30 | Bagginsww | I love the remake |
| 06:32.37 | Arideni | The two little girls in the hallway.... |
| 06:32.41 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 06:32.48 | Bagginsww | rosered is fun to |
| 06:32.49 | Arideni | you mean the old version with jack right? |
| 06:32.56 | Bagginsww | I havne't seen the jack version |
| 06:32.57 | Arideni | I saw Rosered, that was nice |
| 06:33.14 | Bagginsww | I'm not much into slasher films I like traditional style ghost stories |
| 06:33.16 | Arideni | It was old & quiet, the film quality just right |
| 06:33.22 | Arideni | It wasn't a slasher film |
| 06:33.34 | Arideni | way far from it |
| 06:33.37 | Bagginsww | No I mean shining is more of a tradtiional ghost story |
| 06:33.42 | Arideni | yeah |
| 06:33.43 | Bagginsww | that's why I like it |
| 06:33.47 | Arideni | The bar scene is nice |
| 06:33.51 | Arideni | I didn't even know there was a remake |
| 06:34.09 | Bagginsww | Its like three or four part mini series |
| 06:34.14 | Arideni | In the old version the little boy is on one of those little tricycle fisher price things |
| 06:34.16 | Bagginsww | like 9 hours long or so |
| 06:34.21 | Bagginsww | so it really builds up |
| 06:34.23 | Arideni | it's just a seat sitting on 3 wheels |
| 06:34.37 | Arideni | so he wheeling around the building and comes to this hallway, dead end |
| 06:34.41 | Bagginsww | I hear it was more accurate to the novel |
| 06:35.19 | Arideni | There are two like 4 year little girls in dresses with pigtails and they start singing redrum or something...it was mezmerizing |
| 06:35.25 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 06:35.27 | Arideni | they were twins |
| 06:35.28 | Bagginsww | I'm going to have to see it |
| 06:35.37 | Bagginsww | wonders if someone uplaoded it to youtube or something |
| 06:35.42 | Arideni | then it suddenly cuts sound silent & the boy blinks, they're gone |
| 06:35.53 | Bagginsww | I was watching the orignal Dawn of the Dead a few months back on youtube |
| 06:36.06 | Arideni | I thought most of youtube was like 10 min or less |
| 06:36.14 | Bagginsww | they had it split into like 20 parts |
| 06:36.15 | Arideni | or well I never saw something with any real length |
| 06:36.17 | Arideni | Oh |
| 06:36.23 | Bagginsww | the sound was off |
| 06:36.31 | Bagginsww | but I got the story at least |
| 06:36.52 | Arideni | My grandma saw this movie something about 10,000 maniacs at the drive in during the 50s lol, she said it made her sick almost throw up |
| 06:36.56 | Bagginsww | and I have to say ya Romero makes some of hte best zombie flicks |
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| 06:37.24 | Arideni | They were eating limbs etc like big chicken legs, I haven't seen it yet...hard to find these things, =( |
| 06:37.25 | Bagginsww | Romero's trick though its not the gor eof the zombies its the hidden social commentary |
| 06:37.44 | Bagginsww | I know old horror films ar ehard to find :p |
| 06:37.52 | Arideni | I have one of those Classic dvd releases, |
| 06:38.07 | Arideni | It has uh |
| 06:38.14 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 06:38.28 | Bagginsww | as for retellings I love Sleepy Hollow |
| 06:38.36 | Arideni | King of the Zombies (semi comedy, it says "1941 low budget Monogram film" |
| 06:38.54 | Bagginsww | didn't know they had zombie films pre 1960s LOL |
| 06:38.55 | Arideni | Isn't there a Jeff Goldblum version of sleepy hollow, really old |
| 06:39.01 | Bagginsww | no idea |
| 06:39.17 | Arideni | It has Mantan Moreland & Lugosi |
| 06:39.21 | Arideni | & je |
| 06:39.33 | Arideni | & He's black so that was even more hilarious, no offense anyone |
| 06:40.02 | Bagginsww | I was speaking of the Tim Burton version |
| 06:40.04 | Arideni | He was like, "Oh, you a dead person? Oh I don't think so, I'm outta here" but only in that special tone only he can do |
| 06:40.09 | Bagginsww | Tim Burton is a true artist |
| 06:40.15 | Arideni | He's great! |
| 06:40.31 | Arideni | I loooove Edward Scissorhands. |
| 06:40.32 | bleeter | pre 60's zombie? I'd put 'cabinet of dr caligari' in the zombie genre, prolly as the founding feature =)) |
| 06:40.34 | Bagginsww | I mean his version of Ichabod is such the opposite of the orginal |
| 06:40.53 | Bagginsww | yet still has some of the eccentricities come up at times |
| 06:41.02 | Arideni | oh, Baggins, the dvd also contains the black & white Night of the Living Dead |
| 06:41.09 | Bagginsww | ya that's a good one |
| 06:41.31 | Bagginsww | unfortunately there are so many versions of that. Romero lost the copyright on it |
| 06:41.47 | Bagginsww | so any company can release it, :p |
| 06:42.00 | Bagginsww | so finding definitive version is tough |
| 06:42.30 | Bagginsww | and its also allowed some butchered versions and poor directory's cuts :p |
| 06:42.35 | Bagginsww | *director |
| 06:42.51 | Arideni | This one plays exactly like the 1990 remake |
| 06:43.04 | Bagginsww | cabinet of dr. caligari eh? |
| 06:43.11 | Arideni | The one with Tony Todd which is my favorite version |
| 06:43.18 | Arideni | He was so good |
| 06:43.43 | Bagginsww | anycase I love tim burton's gothic style, how the buildings sorta hang at odd angles |
| 06:43.55 | bleeter | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caligari |
| 06:43.56 | Bagginsww | sort of look alive |
| 06:44.13 | Bagginsww | is it a voodoo style zombie, or apocalypse style? |
| 06:44.27 | bleeter | Bagginsww: that's very caligari-like, what burton does. caligari's dripping with expressionist art style |
| 06:44.44 | Bagginsww | I'd love to see tim burton take on Doctor Frankenstein |
| 06:44.46 | Bagginsww | or Dracula |
| 06:45.13 | Arideni | Burton did pretty good considering the content of Batman Returns |
| 06:45.17 | Arideni | I actually loved it most when I was little, I prefer the original now that I'm older |
| 06:45.36 | Bagginsww | Not to say Coppolay's version of dracula wasn't good either. The style in that film was great. |
| 06:45.42 | Arideni | Hasn't he already? |
| 06:45.53 | Arideni | I don't think you can make another Dracula movie than Bram Stoker's |
| 06:45.58 | Arideni | LOL wow baggins |
| 06:46.02 | Arideni | stop stealing my thoughts |
| 06:46.11 | Arideni | Coppola is incredible |
| 06:46.14 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 06:46.29 | Bagginsww | and its the most accurate to the book surprisingly even with the love story tacked in |
| 06:46.29 | Arideni | everyone says keanu sucked in the movie, but...I thought he was a little stiff, but it was intended? |
| 06:46.36 | Bagginsww | except for how dracula dies :p |
| 06:46.39 | Arideni | I know |
| 06:46.43 | Bagginsww | harker never gets the glory he should :p |
| 06:46.49 | Arideni | It was the side you weren't supposed to see |
| 06:46.57 | Arideni | yeah they did let you down a little...wanted more from that |
| 06:47.02 | Bagginsww | but that's how harker was in the book |
| 06:47.05 | Arideni | but Wynona was awesome |
| 06:47.07 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 06:47.22 | Arideni | She's my favorite female actress, cough going back to Edward Scissorhands |
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| 06:47.41 | Bagginsww | but ya it seems harker's involvement with dracula's death is always downplayed in the movies, and even castlevanai lore :p |
| 06:47.44 | Arideni | I actually have that version of Dracula on VHS & I wish I had some like super ultra edition on dvd |
| 06:48.01 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Sky2042] by ChanServ |
| 06:48.13 | Arideni | This is my fav. version: http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0100258/ |
| 06:48.15 | Bagginsww | believe I love the character of quincy, but in the novel it wasn't quincy that did the killing blow |
| 06:48.20 | Arideni | living dead* |
| 06:48.37 | Bagginsww | van helsing made a big deal that only by severing the head or using a wooden stake could you kill a vampire |
| 06:48.42 | Arideni | That was the first version I ever saw growing up |
| 06:48.45 | bleeter | Bagginsww: before Caligari, there was practically no horror style. |
| 06:49.07 | Arideni | and at the beginning when the guy falls over & cracks his head on the tombstone, I was shocked...I was like, "What the hell? He's dead...he's just freaking died?!" |
| 06:49.14 | Bagginsww | so stabbing dracula with a bouie knife isn'g going to do anything to rdacula |
| 06:49.19 | Arideni | It was kinda, raw...not glorified, guns blazin' ... |
| 06:49.29 | Bagginsww | caligeri was made when? |
| 06:49.31 | Arideni | I guess I sound a little silly lol |
| 06:49.43 | bleeter | for the record, Bad Taste (known in the US as Braindead) = best zombie film ever |
| 06:49.48 | Bagginsww | I have criterion edition version of dracula I think |
| 06:49.52 | bleeter | Bagginsww: 1920's sometime |
| 06:50.04 | Bagginsww | well horror is much older than the 20s |
| 06:50.16 | Bagginsww | dracula is older than that :p |
| 06:50.17 | Arideni | LOL hopkins did great, too...I love him, he was a mad man but he knew what he was doing & wasn't afraid to do what was necessary...even if he got dirty doing it |
| 06:50.20 | Bagginsww | jus tnot in film |
| 06:50.36 | Bagginsww | hopkins is a fun actor all around |
| 06:50.42 | bleeter | you were talking about style of film. I mentioned the first horror film to have anything considered 'style' :P |
| 06:50.52 | Arideni | hehe |
| 06:51.05 | Bagginsww | when was nosferatu made? that movie had style |
| 06:51.06 | Arideni | Have you seen Waxworks? |
| 06:51.21 | bleeter | also for the record, Mr. Scissorhands bears a striking resemblance to a character in Caligari |
| 06:51.23 | Bagginsww | that's an old hitchcock? |
| 06:51.35 | Arideni | I love Vincent Price, too |
| 06:51.39 | Bagginsww | same |
| 06:51.40 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: is http://www.sq7.org/KQ/index.php/Special:Listusers/sysop that you? |
| 06:51.42 | Arideni | Waxwork is uh, |
| 06:51.50 | bleeter | Bagginsww: Nosferatu was two years after Caligari :P |
| 06:51.53 | Arideni | it's not hitchcock, not even remake I think |
| 06:51.58 | Bagginsww | ahh |
| 06:52.15 | Arideni | I grew up watching that, too & I was like whoa...Marquis d'Sod is a tough SOB lmao |
| 06:52.19 | Bagginsww | hitchcock did something with wax musuem as I recall |
| 06:52.26 | Arideni | http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0096426/ |
| 06:52.42 | Bagginsww | sky yes I"m an admin there. |
| 06:52.48 | Sky2042 | you should block the spammers |
| 06:52.50 | Sky2042 | jesus |
| 06:52.51 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 06:52.59 | Bagginsww | he gave me more power what? |
| 06:53.04 | Bagginsww | news to me LOL |
| 06:53.10 | Sky2042 | you can't block as sysop?... |
| 06:53.21 | Bagginsww | I can block yes, and I block and I block |
| 06:53.26 | Bagginsww | they just change their numbers and names |
| 06:53.27 | Sky2042 | and it never ends? |
| 06:53.31 | Sky2042 | ouch |
| 06:53.31 | Arideni | My fave scene is the werewolf one...genuinely scared the crap out of me and I would watch that movie like 5x in a row |
| 06:53.54 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 06:54.16 | Bagginsww | I'd like to be one of the super admins whatever you call them |
| 06:54.40 | Bagginsww | for one thing I'd change the sytem to a sign up only sytem |
| 06:55.01 | Bagginsww | and secondly it needs some kind of scrambled code protection |
| 06:55.07 | Sky2042 | that has to be done server side |
| 06:55.17 | Bagginsww | ya I figured |
| 06:55.22 | Sky2042 | bug your server administrator. being a bureaucrat won't help :/ |
| 06:55.57 | [NewsBot] | World of Raids: Four Hyjal Bosses done on PTR - http://boards.worldofraids.com/topic-3683-1.html |
| 06:56.47 | Sky2042 | wtf? |
| 06:56.53 | Bagginsww | I'll have to find caligari |
| 06:57.41 | Bagginsww | its probably public domain |
| 06:57.53 | Bagginsww | its on youtube |
| 06:57.56 | Bagginsww | in one part even |
| 06:58.14 | Bagginsww | definitely a sign that its public domain |
| 06:58.43 | Bagginsww | another great public domain movie is little shop of horrors |
| 06:58.55 | Bagginsww | super hilarious |
| 06:59.03 | Bagginsww | yet very dark |
| 06:59.28 | Arideni | lol |
| 06:59.33 | Arideni | I saw a version of that once |
| 06:59.38 | Arideni | I think it had rick moranis |
| 06:59.48 | Arideni | I wasn't prepared for what I saw |
| 06:59.52 | Bagginsww | that's the remake |
| 07:00.01 | Bagginsww | I have never seen the remake |
| 07:00.05 | Bagginsww | but the original is art |
| 07:00.12 | Arideni | It was like half musical |
| 07:00.14 | Arideni | or something |
| 07:00.26 | Arideni | I actually sorta liked it, but I know everyone else would hate it lol |
| 07:00.38 | Arideni | It wasn't like blockbuster material, most good movies arne't tho |
| 07:00.53 | Bagginsww | let me see if I can find you the link |
| 07:00.57 | Bagginsww | to the oneline archiv version |
| 07:01.05 | Arideni | This man has some incredible photographs: http://www.flickr.com/photos/floridapfe/ |
| 07:01.15 | Bagginsww | http://www.archive.org/details/Little_ShopOf_Horrors.avi |
| 07:01.23 | Arideni | thx |
| 07:01.30 | Arideni | I didn't know they put those things online |
| 07:01.33 | Bagginsww | np, prepare to be entertained |
| 07:01.43 | Bagginsww | ya things outside public domain can be put online |
| 07:01.49 | Arideni | That's what I hate...no matter how much you have viewed...you can never see all the movies & they're like going away fast |
| 07:02.01 | Bagginsww | you can find a decent version of original night of the living dead there too |
| 07:02.11 | Arideni | all the laserdiscs & vhs...good luck findin' em..all the movies that aren't big name...are being lost, =( |
| 07:02.29 | Bagginsww | well I'm all for oneline posting of material, because it iwll keep stuff alive in some form |
| 07:02.55 | Arideni | I have at least 300 VHS tapes with 3 movies each taped off HBO by my aunt over the last 30 years |
| 07:03.02 | Arideni | or more accurately, from 30 yrs ago |
| 07:03.21 | Bagginsww | abandonware might not be legal but its beneficial |
| 07:03.34 | Arideni | There are just some great things...movies you might only watch once, but it was worth watching once |
| 07:03.47 | Arideni | abandonware? |
| 07:03.59 | Bagginsww | as in old games that are no longe rsold in stores |
| 07:04.13 | Arideni | Oh! |
| 07:04.26 | Bagginsww | basically the games are still in copyright, although sometimes the compoanies may no longer exist |
| 07:04.38 | Bagginsww | so legally its illegal |
| 07:04.45 | Bagginsww | but technically it hurts no one |
| 07:05.01 | Arideni | Yeah I think when a company is defunct etc their stuff should be released for display |
| 07:05.17 | Bagginsww | ya, the thing is usually defunct cmpanies were bought out by someone else |
| 07:05.21 | Arideni | all these great movies...should be allowed to be distributed in some way if the movie companies aren't going to re-release them |
| 07:05.28 | Bagginsww | tracking who that is is near impossible though |
| 07:05.33 | Bagginsww | gaming industry is always in flux |
| 07:05.43 | Bagginsww | ya I agree |
| 07:06.00 | Arideni | If they were smart they would let you do it, too |
| 07:07.06 | Bagginsww | I've always wanted to see Song of the South |
| 07:07.10 | Bagginsww | not sure if its ever been released |
| 07:07.15 | Arideni | like I came across this amusing movie called Deadly Friend based on a novel. It was directed by Wes Craven in like 86 and I had no idea what the hell it was about...originally, it's about some robot...then, you find out it's about this abused girl who lives next door...then it turns into a horror movie out of no where...I was like totally unexpecting |
| 07:07.50 | Bagginsww | weird LOL |
| 07:08.03 | Bagginsww | Wes Craven movies are mixed though some goods some duds. |
| 07:08.04 | Arideni | so I got 300 or more tapes with 3 each that is like...900 movies, I don't know if I'll ever see them all...but I really can't imagine how many I've missed out on |
| 07:08.06 | Arideni | Yeah |
| 07:08.23 | Bagginsww | how many were broken? |
| 07:08.32 | Arideni | ok well, this smart guy who is going to intern at a hospital/college for study on the brain has a robot he built |
| 07:08.49 | Arideni | Broken? none, but I have like 3 VCR's to play them since they're very picky about page-flipping lol |
| 07:10.03 | Arideni | So he moves to the new town & he starts makin' friends, etc. This cute girl who is played by none other than Kristy Swanson!!! lives next door...as the stories progresses you start finding out her dad beats her & is a drunk...eventually there's a huge accident involving a staircase (she acted really well on this) |
| 07:10.11 | Bagginsww | wonders if If the powers of the interenet will allow me to find a copy of Song of the South |
| 07:10.41 | Arideni | He hooks the robot CPU into her brain after kidnapping her body from the hospital basically and she actually comes back to life |
| 07:11.07 | Arideni | but the robot is enacting revenge on her memories of people who did wrong to her in life & starts killing people out of no where lol |
| 07:11.18 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:11.50 | Bagginsww | I was reading about some really bad christmas horror movie where 90% of the movie revolves around a christmas party, and no horror |
| 07:11.51 | Arideni | eventually she makes the police kill her (again?). He does this directing with the view of the robot...the color goes fuzzy etc so you're looking through his eyes |
| 07:12.05 | Bagginsww | just some guy who is getting snubbed by the party goers |
| 07:12.11 | Bagginsww | and then finally cracks at the very end |
| 07:12.21 | Bagginsww | puts on a santa suit and goes on a killing spree |
| 07:12.39 | Bagginsww | but you'd never know it was a horror movie except for the final scenes :p |
| 07:12.50 | Arideni | Anwyays, then...the guy is like, don't worry I'll fix you...I brought you back once, I'll just recharge you or something!...so you end up with the movie making you think the girl really did take back her body & do the right hting (make herself die for real, as if by nature)...then her face falls off & the robot kills the main character. |
| 07:12.55 | Arideni | ./end |
| 07:13.09 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:13.19 | Arideni | Baggins, Lol |
| 07:13.22 | Arideni | what movie was it |
| 07:13.54 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Song_of_the_South |
| 07:13.59 | Bagginsww | No idea |
| 07:14.08 | Bagginsww | I think I found it looking up evil santa or something |
| 07:14.15 | Arideni | I was so totally not expecting the robot win...I thought the good guys won! It was so memorable because you can usually generally tell when a twist is about to happen in a movie |
| 07:14.49 | Bagginsww | to be fair I'm not a the biggest fan of movies where the ending is incredibly bleak |
| 07:14.58 | Bagginsww | with no hope whatsoever |
| 07:15.08 | Arideni | oh & the name of the robot (thusly the one phrase he can say) is B.B....which is my nickname IRL from my little brother...I run around chasing him doing the Robot now saying BB...BEEEE BEEE |
| 07:15.20 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:15.32 | Arideni | I want a conclusion even if there's a sequel...I don't want to be like, ok...dammit, I have to wait 18 months now?! |
| 07:16.11 | Arideni | I would like to see Song of the South too |
| 07:16.13 | Bagginsww | I hate when movies give you a hopeful ending and then take it away at the last second it feels anticlimactics to me |
| 07:16.16 | Arideni | Looks liek it was be really nice |
| 07:16.25 | Bagginsww | ya it looks high quaility |
| 07:16.57 | Bagginsww | and what bugs me is you can find that old silent film with the KKK, that makes them out ot be heroes |
| 07:16.59 | Arideni | oh |
| 07:17.03 | Arideni | it says it's |
| 07:17.05 | Arideni | yeah loo |
| 07:17.10 | Arideni | I guess we wont see it then |
| 07:17.18 | Bagginsww | history of america or whatever its called |
| 07:17.29 | Bagginsww | yet from what I've heard this movie isn't that bad |
| 07:17.34 | Arideni | They showed us Uncle Toms Cabin in school when I grew up |
| 07:17.39 | Bagginsww | its probably no worse than the shirley temple movies |
| 07:17.48 | Bagginsww | and you can find those |
| 07:18.24 | Bagginsww | but ya I hate censorship. what people want to watch hsould be their choice |
| 07:18.28 | Arideni | I can see why they won't release it...it's a business decision. But they make it available in the UK which is just as good for VHS |
| 07:18.37 | Bagginsww | anycase I'm going to have to see if I can find a bootleg of song of tghe south :) |
| 07:18.55 | Bagginsww | if there was a 1986 release there is a chance there are bootlegs online |
| 07:18.57 | Arideni | Yeah, but it's not about censorship...you don't want to piss off black people or ambulance chasers & cause yourself trouble |
| 07:19.19 | Bagginsww | well what's worse is censorship often leads to worse things |
| 07:19.27 | Arideni | You won't find a school showing anyone Glory or Uncle Toms Cabin this day in time, =( |
| 07:19.33 | Bagginsww | people go after what's forbidden |
| 07:19.43 | Bagginsww | I saw glory |
| 07:19.49 | Arideni | In school? |
| 07:19.52 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:19.55 | Arideni | me2 lol |
| 07:20.03 | Bagginsww | depends ont eh school though |
| 07:20.10 | Bagginsww | some schools are fanatically stupid :p |
| 07:20.16 | Arideni | Here in the south are pretty lax, =p |
| 07:20.32 | Arideni | We can relive the civil war !!! |
| 07:20.41 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:20.53 | Bagginsww | the point is civil war happened, learning about it is a good thing |
| 07:20.54 | Arideni | but who would want to? I mean, you tellin' me if you were born back then you wouldn't have fought for your state? |
| 07:21.11 | Bagginsww | you don't kjnow what side you'd fight on, there was alot of split families |
| 07:21.22 | Arideni | I'm a sectionalist, heavy sectionalist...my mother asked me what the heck a sectionalist was a month ago...my jaw dropped |
| 07:21.35 | Bagginsww | I'd probably have been on the south's side as that's where my family originated |
| 07:21.44 | Arideni | You woulda fought with the side your state was on I figure, unless you're a rebel |
| 07:21.50 | Arideni | Exactly |
| 07:22.00 | Bagginsww | but there were definitely alot of splits |
| 07:22.08 | Bagginsww | because not everyone agreed with seccession |
| 07:22.18 | Bagginsww | and that's the issue it was seccession not a slavery issue |
| 07:22.26 | Arideni | It's like Washington, he wasn't a bad man because he had slaves....from what I know he treated them nice |
| 07:22.28 | Bagginsww | slavery was tagged on later |
| 07:22.36 | Arideni | Slavery is an excuse |
| 07:22.44 | Arideni | It's been around loooong before blacks |
| 07:23.12 | Arideni | as far as I'm concerned, columbus can take a backseat, I don't celebrate his "holiday" -_- |
| 07:23.13 | Bagginsww | Lincoln used slavery issue and wrote the Emancipation Proc in order to give a reason for slaves to cause trouble behind the lines |
| 07:23.27 | Bagginsww | mind you Lincon is one of my favorite presidents. |
| 07:23.39 | Arideni | Yeah, he was being president, but I think he also did what he felt was right |
| 07:23.45 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:24.00 | Bagginsww | he was absolutely brilliant though |
| 07:24.06 | Bagginsww | he also never called it a war |
| 07:24.18 | Bagginsww | because that would have empowered the south |
| 07:24.20 | Arideni | & I do too...if my family woulda had slaves, I have no doubt we woulda treated them like family...a lot of people actually DID back then, but you always have people who think they're "better" than others, but that's not how things really were all the time |
| 07:24.25 | Bagginsww | he only called it a terrorist action |
| 07:24.46 | Arideni | yeah something that bugs me is |
| 07:24.55 | Arideni | my state recently sent some kinda declaration to blacks |
| 07:25.09 | Arideni | saying as a state we're sorry for what we did lol that was the most retarded ass thing I ever heard |
| 07:25.20 | Bagginsww | a little late don't you think? |
| 07:25.22 | Arideni | and soooo balogny for publicity |
| 07:25.23 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:25.37 | Arideni | I have absolutely no knowledge of my family history involving slavery |
| 07:25.46 | Arideni | & even if I did that was them not me, screw that |
| 07:25.47 | Bagginsww | That's like returning General Lee's US citizen ship after he died |
| 07:26.05 | Bagginsww | sure its all noble and brings fuzzy feelings, but it doesn't help Lee out |
| 07:26.08 | Arideni | Why should I apologize for something someone else did who I have no idea is? |
| 07:26.20 | Arideni | & don't even know that they did it? |
| 07:26.26 | Arideni | =/ political propaganda |
| 07:26.54 | Arideni | My family grew up int he tobacco & cotten fields with blacks as equals & were raised by them as nannys |
| 07:26.57 | Bagginsww | although giving Medals of Honor after the fact is at least goodfor the family |
| 07:27.18 | Bagginsww | since the honor goes beyond the grave |
| 07:27.21 | Arideni | My mother, etc. were so close to the black families that they were literally called our Aunts & Uncles |
| 07:27.48 | Bagginsww | You don't do that in certain places unless you want a lynching :p |
| 07:27.54 | Arideni | there was a line though, my great grandfather I don't believe he let the men folk come eat our table |
| 07:28.16 | Arideni | They had to eat at another table, but then so did ALL children |
| 07:28.22 | Bagginsww | I mean you jus tdon't call people aunts or uncles anymore :p |
| 07:28.30 | Arideni | so it was really man & wife at one table only |
| 07:28.37 | Arideni | Yeah |
| 07:28.40 | Bagginsww | although surprisingly its apparently a term of respect for Hawaiians in Hawaii |
| 07:28.46 | Bagginsww | probably tied to ohana system |
| 07:28.51 | Arideni | well what else do u call someone so involved into your family, so much a part of your life |
| 07:29.06 | Bagginsww | no its absoutely fine, you were given permission |
| 07:29.12 | Arideni | It takes a rocket scientist to figure out who's cousins' mothers' son is called to u |
| 07:29.15 | Bagginsww | you were accepted |
| 07:29.26 | Arideni | ya |
| 07:30.01 | Arideni | The descendants of our families (Aunt penny for example) still live like on the back side of the very road I live at now |
| 07:30.04 | Arideni | It's amazing.. |
| 07:30.16 | Bagginsww | I had a black lady friend, who I called grandma when I was young |
| 07:30.25 | Bagginsww | I don't think she's around anymore |
| 07:30.37 | Bagginsww | but it was definitely in respect |
| 07:30.53 | Arideni | I had a lady from my church when I was young we were raised to call her Grandma Faucett (that was her last name), but she wasn't really kin to us |
| 07:31.04 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:31.09 | Arideni | I love that type of stuff |
| 07:31.18 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:31.26 | Arideni | It really does people good, too |
| 07:31.37 | Bagginsww | brings people closer |
| 07:31.38 | Arideni | Families kinda spread thin when you're older |
| 07:31.41 | Arideni | exactly |
| 07:31.59 | Arideni | All those ladies are dying or dead now, =( |
| 07:32.12 | Arideni | I guess the next big thing is for me to be somebodies uncle |
| 07:32.25 | Bagginsww | I know the feeling |
| 07:32.44 | Arideni | I have a friend from high school she has a baby, no father. I wonder if I'll be the uncle lol |
| 07:32.49 | Bagginsww | the other day, someone told me I looked old... and i'm only 28, :p |
| 07:33.04 | Arideni | haha |
| 07:33.19 | Arideni | You can shave & look so much younger it's amazing |
| 07:33.21 | Bagginsww | and I probably look younger than most people my age. I'm very careful what I eat, and I don't smoke or drink |
| 07:33.30 | Bagginsww | and I shave |
| 07:33.34 | Arideni | I don't smoke or drink either, I don't really see a purpose in it |
| 07:33.39 | Bagginsww | exactly |
| 07:34.04 | Arideni | I can spend the same money on a quality DVD or book...or world of warcraft, and have much more fun...plus I don't end up with my head in the toilet |
| 07:34.06 | Bagginsww | but ya most of the time people think I'm younger than I am |
| 07:34.12 | Bagginsww | first time someone told me I looked "old" LOL |
| 07:34.24 | Arideni | pffsh |
| 07:34.34 | Arideni | Time really starting to fly by though... |
| 07:34.43 | Arideni | months are like weeks |
| 07:34.53 | Bagginsww | I'll be old when I'm 60, but as long as my my mind is active and I feel lyoung, I'm young damnit ;) |
| 07:34.54 | Arideni | but you can't remember last "week" it was a month ago! |
| 07:35.04 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:35.25 | Arideni | I've always planned since school to live to be 125 or something, the record back then was like 121 or 124 or something, sold old lady lol |
| 07:35.39 | Bagginsww | second childhood? pssh, I'm still a child at heart :) |
| 07:35.53 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:36.09 | Arideni | Think about the knowledg eyou'll have when you're 80...and then realize you won't be able to use it very long!...best live longer so u can put it to use lol |
| 07:36.17 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 07:36.27 | Bagginsww | I expect to live to at least 85 |
| 07:36.50 | Bagginsww | it seems to be the average in the family, even for those that are heavy drinkers and smokers |
| 07:36.56 | Arideni | People always say "If I only knew then, what I know now" well I wanna know it all right now so I can put it to use & not make silly mistakes, little too late for that but it's a nice concept. |
| 07:37.14 | Bagginsww | to be honest I hate to think about the future, I prefer to live from day to day |
| 07:37.22 | Bagginsww | take one step at a time |
| 07:37.24 | Arideni | I want to be that old guy who walks around in a cardigan like Mr Rogers & just very extroverted to ladies in public. |
| 07:37.33 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 07:37.44 | Arideni | I just want that attention when I'm that old |
| 07:38.04 | Arideni | I wanna be like, an old superman |
| 07:38.19 | Arideni | beat younguns with my cane and stuff |
| 07:38.35 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:39.49 | Arideni | Oh man, I've had a good time in here tonight, lots of good memories |
| 07:40.12 | Arideni | I gotta get some sleep though, so I can get back on schedule |
| 07:40.38 | Bagginsww | alright found a torrent of song of t he south |
| 07:40.53 | Bagginsww | to hell with legality :p |
| 07:40.56 | Arideni | pffsh |
| 07:41.14 | Arideni | I'll have high speed some day |
| 07:41.19 | Arideni | & I'll use torrents, too! |
| 07:41.35 | Arideni | until then....sleepeh time |
| 07:41.40 | Bagginsww | to be fair I don't usually torrent films |
| 07:41.43 | Bagginsww | only tv shows I missed |
| 07:41.58 | Bagginsww | but I've wanted to see song of the south since foreva |
| 07:41.59 | Arideni | I try to be legal too, I don't download music or anything anymore. |
| 07:42.33 | Arideni | I actually like having the CD...so I go to a thift store & check out the stuff there...been doin' that forever, collecting old NES or Atari games |
| 07:42.41 | Bagginsww | I don't mind downloading hte occasional song, :p.... because I don't want to pay full price for the entire cd if I only wanted one song anyways :p |
| 07:43.00 | Arideni | I buy up any pretty looking CD covers & just listen to whatever music it is, really nice to find new types of music that way |
| 07:43.13 | Bagginsww | I've bought zelda like 3 times :p |
| 07:43.18 | Bagginsww | origlinal zela I mean |
| 07:43.22 | Arideni | I solved that Baggins by just not listening to anything except 70s 80s & 90s on the radio! |
| 07:43.31 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:43.35 | Arideni | I have the original 1 & 2 on nes |
| 07:43.39 | Arideni | 2nd one is gold edition |
| 07:43.41 | Bagginsww | ya so do I |
| 07:43.44 | Bagginsww | both are gold |
| 07:43.51 | Arideni | my friends got the gold part 1 =( |
| 07:44.03 | Bagginsww | but its meaningless to me |
| 07:44.07 | Arideni | I have the original Mario Bros. on Atari 2600...full color sticker & all |
| 07:44.11 | Bagginsww | after I got gba versions :) |
| 07:44.16 | Arideni | Even Donkey Kong AND the instruction manual |
| 07:44.21 | Bagginsww | cool |
| 07:44.28 | Bagginsww | but collecovision was nicer ;) |
| 07:44.42 | Bagginsww | I only have atari 2600 :p |
| 07:44.42 | Arideni | yep I have like 200 atari 2600 games & 2 systems |
| 07:44.55 | Bagginsww | wishes I had some old colecovision games |
| 07:44.56 | Arideni | I have the Atari 2600 official & a Sears brand one |
| 07:45.07 | Bagginsww | btw I'm not against emulation myself ;) |
| 07:45.19 | Arideni | I used to use that to play old SNES games |
| 07:45.22 | Arideni | like chrono trigger |
| 07:45.30 | Bagginsww | chronotrigger is awesome |
| 07:45.36 | Bagginsww | my cartridge was stolen though :p |
| 07:45.38 | Arideni | I only have a very few of them...I didn't get an SNES when it came out, got it in 96 lol |
| 07:45.54 | Bagginsww | I let someone borrow it and they never returned it to me, and claimed they did return it to me :p |
| 07:45.57 | Arideni | I hate how they had so many diff. endings & it take forever to play the game just to see them, give me a cheat code! |
| 07:46.13 | Bagginsww | um its easy in chronotrigger |
| 07:46.28 | Bagginsww | once you beat it new game + gave you nearly everything |
| 07:46.40 | Bagginsww | and all you had to do was beat it different points in the game |
| 07:46.41 | Arideni | I never had much for neighbors like that, or child hood friends outside of school. Being in the country, it's only family on all sides of your road |
| 07:46.53 | Bagginsww | so basically you only had to play through it twice |
| 07:46.54 | Arideni | oh I don't even remember Baggins |
| 07:46.59 | Arideni | I have Dragon Warrior on NES |
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| 07:47.21 | Bagginsww | never actually played through that one |
| 07:47.26 | Bagginsww | only partially |
| 07:47.33 | Arideni | I've yet to beat the final boss, but I got to like phase 2...I think just needed to level up more, but I hated going all the way to down...you have like an hour of grinding just to reach his room |
| 07:47.53 | Arideni | every once a year ill like bust it out & try lol |
| 07:47.56 | Bagginsww | but ya in chronotrigger there was a quick jump to end of time |
| 07:48.00 | Bagginsww | near the beginning of the game |
| 07:48.08 | Arideni | I have original Final Fantasy which is like...holy crap =/ |
| 07:48.12 | Bagginsww | once there you could use a bucket to get to the final boss |
| 07:48.31 | Bagginsww | depending on when you entered the bucket you would get access to the different endeings |
| 07:48.38 | Arideni | ah |
| 07:48.43 | Arideni | in FF1 I guess my guys were too low level, because I never even beat the vampire Lich |
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| 07:48.52 | Bagginsww | so if you had an extremmely geared up and leveld character in the first play through |
| 07:48.57 | Bagginsww | and the right items |
| 07:49.04 | Bagginsww | you could see every single ending the secont time through |
| 07:49.09 | Arideni | like you have some maze that every single turn looks the exact same...in the DARK...and no clue how to navigate it |
| 07:49.23 | Bagginsww | to be honest I prefer the FF1 remake |
| 07:49.25 | Arideni | I liked dragon warrior much better...lol |
| 07:49.26 | Bagginsww | to the original |
| 07:49.29 | Bagginsww | you can save anywhere |
| 07:49.33 | Arideni | omg |
| 07:49.34 | Bagginsww | and its visually more pleasing |
| 07:49.49 | Bagginsww | well not really save everywhere |
| 07:49.50 | Arideni | I'm serious, it was so lame in FF1 in that cave to the Lich |
| 07:49.52 | Bagginsww | but you had save state |
| 07:49.59 | Bagginsww | I'm sure |
| 07:50.02 | Bagginsww | I know how the original worked |
| 07:50.04 | Arideni | every step you're praying for a monster not to attack you |
| 07:50.07 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:50.17 | Bagginsww | basically in the remake you have save state |
| 07:50.19 | Arideni | then you get poisoned 3x lol |
| 07:50.25 | Bagginsww | so you just reload until you get through LOL |
| 07:50.32 | Arideni | LOL |
| 07:50.41 | Arideni | is that the PS1 collection or something? |
| 07:50.43 | Bagginsww | save every few steps |
| 07:50.47 | Bagginsww | ps1 and up |
| 07:50.58 | Bagginsww | gameboy advance version allowed yo to do it too |
| 07:51.01 | Arideni | all those collections were expensive & hard to find when I looked |
| 07:51.05 | Bagginsww | psp probably too |
| 07:51.22 | Bagginsww | your better off with the gba versions really |
| 07:51.33 | Bagginsww | with the exception of chronotrigger |
| 07:51.37 | Arideni | I thought the gameboy versions were their own series, or is that like "Legends" version |
| 07:51.41 | Bagginsww | which hasn't been released yet :( |
| 07:51.54 | Bagginsww | not old gameoby lends |
| 07:52.02 | Bagginsww | I'm taling about Gameboy Advance |
| 07:52.04 | Arideni | so it was rereleased? |
| 07:52.11 | Bagginsww | ya they released 1 and 2 |
| 07:52.14 | Bagginsww | and then 4 |
| 07:52.15 | Arideni | That's hot |
| 07:52.17 | Bagginsww | 5 and 6 |
| 07:52.25 | Arideni | Definitely gotta check into that |
| 07:52.26 | Bagginsww | 1 and 2 are on the same cartridge |
| 07:52.34 | Bagginsww | they all have new content |
| 07:52.42 | Bagginsww | like new dungeons |
| 07:52.44 | Arideni | I want to fire up Dragon Warrior now & grind some monsters for 10 min lol |
| 07:52.49 | Bagginsww | I haven' actually replaced 1 all the way yet |
| 07:52.53 | Bagginsww | *replayed |
| 07:52.59 | Bagginsww | only part way |
| 07:53.07 | Bagginsww | so I don't know about its new dungeon yet |
| 07:53.11 | Bagginsww | all I know it has 4 |
| 07:53.12 | Arideni | ok |
| 07:53.15 | Bagginsww | and they randomly generate |
| 07:53.29 | Bagginsww | so you'd have to go through them several times to open all the chests |
| 07:53.41 | Bagginsww | now IV which you may know as II |
| 07:53.52 | Bagginsww | added a new dungeon on the moon |
| 07:53.58 | Arideni | yeah I remember the wonky naming changes |
| 07:53.59 | Bagginsww | plus you could change out characters |
| 07:54.02 | Arideni | from JP to US |
| 07:54.04 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:54.12 | Bagginsww | I prefer that they have the JP names now ;) |
| 07:54.20 | Bagginsww | easier to keep track |
| 07:54.34 | Bagginsww | I refuse to play any ff past x though |
| 07:54.42 | Arideni | ffx? |
| 07:54.45 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:54.54 | Arideni | yeah I played FF7 and was apalled at the text in the US version |
| 07:54.57 | Bagginsww | It seems wrong that I'll forever be missing out on xi :p |
| 07:55.05 | Bagginsww | I had the pc version |
| 07:55.06 | Arideni | I thought it was a good game but wow they went over the top with Mr T guy |
| 07:55.08 | Bagginsww | it had improvged text |
| 07:55.23 | Bagginsww | there were some bad transation issues on the playstation version |
| 07:55.26 | Bagginsww | *slation |
| 07:55.46 | Bagginsww | so ya in final fantasy iv originally the game was linear and you lost certain party members throughout the game |
| 07:55.51 | Arideni | yeah like S*** and GD every other word lol |
| 07:55.55 | Bagginsww | and had one group at the end |
| 07:55.59 | Bagginsww | no way to change them |
| 07:56.04 | Arideni | pretty fairly lost in translation via Mr. t |
| 07:56.05 | Bagginsww | but in the gba remake |
| 07:56.14 | Bagginsww | they allow you to go get some of the old group members back |
| 07:56.32 | Bagginsww | and you can make your own special groups |
| 07:56.43 | Bagginsww | a very cool feature to be sure |
| 07:56.59 | Arideni | I never played FF8, but I tried out FF9 which was nice, borrowed from a friend. I want to play FFX and X-2 though |
| 07:57.11 | Bagginsww | I like ff9 because of its retro ness |
| 07:57.20 | Bagginsww | although I never went for a speed play challenge |
| 07:57.26 | Bagginsww | I hate that in rpgs I prefer to go slowly |
| 07:57.29 | Bagginsww | take my time to savor it |
| 07:57.32 | Bagginsww | and level up |
| 07:57.34 | Sky2042 | I just don't get it... :/ |
| 07:57.43 | Arideni | yeah I liked the turn base battle...at least, that's what I was used to. |
| 07:58.00 | Bagginsww | I never beat ff8 |
| 07:58.02 | Arideni | somewhere after ff7 I lost that though |
| 07:58.05 | Bagginsww | I just never understood the leveling system |
| 07:58.14 | Arideni | oh, Kingdom Hearts made me see the light about real time combat |
| 07:58.17 | Bagginsww | the fact you need to avoid leveling |
| 07:58.20 | Bagginsww | too much |
| 07:58.44 | Bagginsww | cause leveling leveled the enemies more than it leveled you :p |
| 07:58.49 | Arideni | =0 |
| 07:59.02 | Bagginsww | yet you had to figh tenemies to power up your spells :p |
| 07:59.05 | Arideni | Sounds retarded |
| 07:59.20 | Bagginsww | so basically you had to find enemies that would give you your spell points |
| 07:59.22 | Bagginsww | but not exp |
| 07:59.31 | Arideni | I'm simple, I'm a warrior lol, just give me a 0-100 bar & let me rock |
| 07:59.41 | Bagginsww | I want to kill stuff and level |
| 08:00.14 | Sky2042 | now that ending /div is appearing |
| 08:00.14 | Sky2042 | bogussssssss |
| 08:00.14 | Bagginsww | I don't want to be forced not to fight |
| 08:00.14 | Arideni | ye |
| 08:00.14 | Bagginsww | so basically you really had to balance things |
| 08:00.15 | Arideni | I don't want to be stuck without a clue what to do next |
| 08:00.19 | Bagginsww | apparently once you got to a certain poinjt |
| 08:00.30 | Bagginsww | you could fight enemies on this place called the place closes to heaven and hell |
| 08:00.33 | Bagginsww | some island |
| 08:00.37 | Bagginsww | enemies had 0 exp |
| 08:00.43 | Arideni | I used to go around pressing the talk/use key on every single square in an rpg because I was so utterly lost |
| 08:00.45 | Bagginsww | and lots of ability points |
| 08:00.50 | Bagginsww | so you could go all out |
| 08:00.58 | Bagginsww | and max your abillities for the final area |
| 08:01.07 | Bagginsww | but if you can survive tha tlong :p |
| 08:01.15 | Arideni | =0 |
| 08:01.21 | Bagginsww | oh and faster you got through areas the more you got paid |
| 08:01.28 | Bagginsww | you were paid on a timer |
| 08:01.37 | Bagginsww | and you had to finish mini quests in order to get promotions |
| 08:01.40 | Bagginsww | so you get paid more |
| 08:01.51 | Bagginsww | yet if you are too slow you might get demoted |
| 08:02.13 | Bagginsww | again with the annoying arbritrary way of pushing you keep playing :p |
| 08:02.23 | Bagginsww | and not allowying you to savor |
| 08:02.41 | Bagginsww | another thing to really complete all the mini quest syou needed to play the stupid card game |
| 08:03.05 | Bagginsww | which meant collecting some really hard to find cards, and beating some really hard to beat card masters |
| 08:03.06 | Arideni | lol |
| 08:03.15 | Bagginsww | I hate minigames |
| 08:03.23 | Bagginsww | minigames you are required to play :p |
| 08:03.28 | Arideni | yeah required |
| 08:03.30 | Arideni | hate 'em |
| 08:03.36 | Bagginsww | minigames imo should be diversions you can do for the hell of it |
| 08:03.42 | Bagginsww | not hide some really important items |
| 08:03.58 | Arideni | I do0n't like hidden important items |
| 08:04.02 | Bagginsww | ffx was awesome as far as story, but had its share of annoying mini games |
| 08:04.25 | Bagginsww | ya basically to get the ultimate weapon in ffx you had to finish some stupid mini games |
| 08:04.35 | Bagginsww | get all the umtimate weapons I mean |
| 08:04.37 | Bagginsww | for each character |
| 08:04.47 | Bagginsww | one was a chocobo race |
| 08:04.50 | Arideni | Dragon Warrior got me on that, because you had like some special rock you needed to find...and some other thing, a crystal or a harp or something, they had to be combined...but you know? if an item is really THAT important, everyone will know where it is...and thusly some huge ass creep is going to want to keep it for himself |
| 08:05.05 | Bagginsww | it was fun until you get to the upper level of it the one that is required to beat to get the weapon |
| 08:05.21 | Keolah | I have never completed an RPG in my life without reading extensive spoilers or guiddebooks :P |
| 08:05.28 | Bagginsww | basically the race was not about beating it |
| 08:05.35 | Bagginsww | it as about beating it in under 0 seconds |
| 08:05.40 | Bagginsww | I kid you not |
| 08:05.44 | Arideni | I hate those. |
| 08:05.50 | Bagginsww | you basically had to pop baloons during hte race |
| 08:05.58 | Bagginsww | that would cut 3 seconds each |
| 08:06.04 | Bagginsww | so it was a matter of perfection |
| 08:06.24 | Bagginsww | you had to pretty much pop every baloon and not zigzag to much |
| 08:06.50 | Arideni | I don't want to have to train to play a mini game good |
| 08:07.01 | Bagginsww | I think they design this evil minigames for people with ADD |
| 08:07.13 | Arideni | I have add...lol |
| 08:07.18 | Bagginsww | chronotrigger had nice simple and fun minigames |
| 08:07.33 | Arideni | I loved the spooky house thing |
| 08:07.35 | Bagginsww | they were more diversions than requirements |
| 08:07.39 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 08:07.47 | Bagginsww | spooky house was easy |
| 08:07.54 | Arideni | and the escape from whatever |
| 08:07.57 | Arideni | jail |
| 08:07.58 | Arideni | lol |
| 08:08.09 | Bagginsww | spooky house basically could get you some fun little items |
| 08:08.10 | Arideni | made you think you were really participating |
| 08:08.16 | Bagginsww | but it wasn't required and it was fun |
| 08:08.18 | Bagginsww | and easy |
| 08:08.29 | Bagginsww | there was a another one that was a speed tapping game |
| 08:08.37 | Bagginsww | like drink alot of drinks |
| 08:08.44 | Bagginsww | in under so much time |
| 08:08.55 | Bagginsww | those aren't too bad |
| 08:09.13 | Bagginsww | but then there was the mini game that just added to the atmosphere |
| 08:09.18 | Bagginsww | the chase through the burned out city |
| 08:09.20 | Arideni | I sucked at those, can never tell if the guy is actually drinking when i press the button or when i release it or what |
| 08:09.22 | Bagginsww | on the bike |
| 08:09.29 | Arideni | oooh the bike, I remember that |
| 08:09.35 | Sky2042 | hasClass... |
| 08:09.43 | Bagginsww | you could do that race one more time btw, and get a few cool items |
| 08:09.47 | Bagginsww | but it was never difficult |
| 08:10.01 | Bagginsww | they didn't force you to be perfection unleashed |
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| 08:10.29 | Bagginsww | scratch the ADD thing its more like they were designe for people with OCD |
| 08:10.35 | Arideni | aight I gotta go, take it easy Baggins |
| 08:10.39 | Bagginsww | or to drive people to OCD |
| 08:10.43 | Bagginsww | well take care |
| 08:10.45 | Arideni | lol yeah drive them to insanity |
| 08:10.49 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 08:11.03 | Bagginsww | zelda has done mini games right mostly |
| 08:11.22 | Bagginsww | except for the one or two very hard to get heart containers :p |
| 08:11.27 | Bagginsww | but at least you don't need them to complete the game |
| 08:11.42 | Bagginsww | although I like to see a complete collection |
| 08:14.19 | Bagginsww | btw I don't muh like the RPG inline image its ugly |
| 08:14.35 | Bagginsww | it looks like a fat red turd |
| 08:17.36 | ggilbert | The featured image on the front page seems wrong to me. It's labeled the Garrison Armory, but it looks like Netherwing Mines. Was it just a reused map? |
| 08:21.13 | ggilbert | Oh looks like it is. |
| 08:22.32 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:RPG-inline |
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| 08:45.12 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Silvermoon_Remnant I'd like to point out that that page has gone a bit overboard... |
| 08:45.25 | Bagginsww | pretty much everything it says appears to be conjecture |
| 08:45.38 | Bagginsww | bordering on fanfic |
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| 12:10.54 | g0urra | Can anyone else see it? |
| 12:11.08 | sacarasc | see what? the little stylised A? |
| 12:11.16 | Gourra | No, the icon at all |
| 12:11.23 | Gourra | it should be there |
| 12:11.32 | Gourra | Well, if that's what you mean, yes |
| 12:11.55 | Gourra | I just get this error: "Firefox can't find the file at /images/7/7c/Icon-allakhazam-22x22.png." |
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| 13:23.36 | Lukian | 00:22:45 Incineratus hits you for 111278 Fire damage. (crushing) (24728 resisted) (CHAT_MSG_COMBAT_CREATURE_VS_SELF_HITS) |
| 13:23.38 | Lukian | <3 |
| 13:42.16 | Fisker- | owld |
| 13:45.32 | Lukian | only 20mins :p |
| 13:50.39 | Fisker- | no |
| 13:50.45 | Fisker- | liek since tbc release old |
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| 15:08.28 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Around Azeroth: That was a close one - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/05/around-azeroth-that-was-a-close-one/ |
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| 16:02.17 | Gregor__ | http://video.hornoxe.com/WoW_Silvester_Party.flv :P |
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| 16:10.32 | solocommand | nd |
| 16:19.57 | kd3 | oh wow, what a small world. seeing someone from #tf in here |
| 16:26.04 | winkiller | #tf? |
| 16:26.15 | kd3 | different network |
| 16:26.25 | winkiller | and topic of the thing? |
| 16:26.53 | kd3 | rather unimportant. just bemused at running into someone else from a channel with 7 people in it |
| 16:27.00 | winkiller | oh ok :P |
| 16:27.33 | winkiller | but still, the number of people on irc (excl. qnet) isn't so high |
| 16:27.47 | winkiller | so if someone uses irc, you'll sooner or later find him on another net :P |
| 16:27.55 | winkiller | my impression from the last 7 years |
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| 16:59.24 | Taurmindo | hum. was the linebreaking thingy caused from {{item}} fixed again? |
| 17:00.19 | Taurmindo | and if so, how do i fix it if it's showing wrong on one of my userpages on one item, but not the 10+ others? |
| 17:00.32 | pcj | which one taurmindo |
| 17:03.43 | Taurmindo | [[Runed Living Ruby]] |
| 17:03.44 | [NewsBot] | Taurmindo meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Runed_Living_Ruby |
| 17:03.55 | Taurmindo | on [[User:Taurmindo/todo]] |
| 17:04.50 | pcj | k fixed |
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| 17:07.41 | Taurmindo | thnx |
| 17:08.33 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: WoW Moviewatch: Teh nOOb song - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/05/wow-moviewatch-teh-noob-song/ |
| 17:22.00 | solocommand | holy crap hi kd lol |
| 17:34.08 | DuTempete | Morning! |
| 17:35.26 | DuTempete | I'm so excited... Kirkburn gets into an airplane to Chicago on Monday!! |
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| 17:37.39 | DuTempete | Yay! |
| 17:38.11 | pcj | yay |
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| 17:51.25 | pcj | foxlit i think {{item}} borked http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Brogus_Thunderbrew/NPCs_Sells |
| 17:51.49 | foxlit | Yes. Did you bork it? :) |
| 17:52.08 | pcj | no, it was {{item}} |
| 17:52.30 | foxlit | Solution: don't use {{item}} excessively |
| 17:52.40 | pcj | :( |
| 17:54.43 | foxlit | Might actually be a mediawiki bug there |
| 17:54.58 | foxlit | It's supposed to handle that sort of stuff gracefully, but obviously it does not for us |
| 17:55.16 | pcj | Yeah, I blame someone else too |
| 17:57.52 | foxlit | It just goes over the pre-expand limit |
| 17:58.00 | winkiller | http://www.massively.com/2008/01/04/is-it-okay-to-kill-animals-for-money-and-experience/ |
| 17:58.21 | pcj | Heh |
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| 18:06.21 | Sickel | HORDE FTW!! |
| 18:08.51 | Gourra | oh, k? |
| 18:09.55 | sacarasc | idiots ftl |
| 18:15.33 | Bagginsww | so basically we need a new rpg inline icon one that doesn't look like a bloody turd. |
| 18:16.53 | winkiller | old one is? |
| 18:17.20 | Bagginsww | to be honest I'm not exactly a fan of too many inline icons anyways, too many icons and pages start to look like tacky christmas trees |
| 18:18.50 | Bagginsww | [[Template:RPG-inline]] |
| 18:18.51 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:RPG-inline |
| 18:19.02 | zeal | well that took a while.. |
| 18:19.13 | Bagginsww | was busy editing some stuff |
| 18:21.15 | zeal | and yes, using {{tooltip}} and my {{item}} to look up/reformat info multiple times in a page will break the wiki. same thing that happened when {{loot}} used {{exist}} |
| 18:21.16 | [NewsBot] | zeal meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:tooltip}}_and_my_Template:item |
| 18:21.49 | sacarasc | that was borked, silly bot |
| 18:21.50 | Bagginsww | but ya I want to see that eyesore of an inline icon either replaced or removed entirely :p |
| 18:23.06 | Zeal | lol, does look pretty bad, aye. |
| 18:23.38 | Bagginsww | ...and Zeal did you catch the discussion in village pump? ...the one about of moving the verticle and changing them to horizontal templates? |
| 18:24.01 | Bagginsww | although I'm starting to fall into the hate templates in general crowd, :p |
| 18:24.06 | Bagginsww | with the exception of infoboxes |
| 18:24.53 | Zeal | yeah, also caught the discussion in here about those cloth nav boxes |
| 18:25.09 | Zeal | in which someone said they should jsut use categories |
| 18:25.27 | Zeal | which i find amusing, because the same person doesn't apply that to all nav boxes. |
| 18:25.45 | Zeal | but moving them to horizontal and at the bottom is a improvement. |
| 18:25.51 | Zeal | *an |
| 18:26.14 | Bagginsww | I'm not a big fan of nav boxes in general, I prefer categories |
| 18:26.45 | Zeal | would also be nice if they were semantically correct too, but i don't see that happened anytime soob. |
| 18:26.47 | Zeal | *soon. |
| 18:27.06 | Bagginsww | although I understand something like race or burning legion category doesnt' really get you around as well as a navbox can :p |
| 18:27.48 | Bagginsww | although I hate how many navboxs combine arbritrary things together that may have nothing to do with each other... but are only there through six degrees of seperation :p |
| 18:28.34 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: The mount lowdown - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/05/the-mount-lowdown/ |
| 18:28.54 | Zeal | well imo there's no need to a category namespace to exist, just make it a functional part of them all, and allow them to be output in pages with soemthing as simple at <catlist> and add to a cat with some new link syntax. |
| 18:29.42 | Zeal | doesn't help that mediawiki's category system is admitidly extremely slow and a bit buggy too |
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| 18:32.36 | Zeal | oh well, finally got my AMG novel today. probably read that later. also need to finish the campagin of dow i was playing, only imperial guard and orcs left. i hate edlar.. |
| 18:33.00 | Bagginsww | amg? |
| 18:33.11 | Bagginsww | dow, and edlar? |
| 18:34.00 | Zeal | lol. Ah! My Goddess, Dawn of War (Dark Crusade to be exact), Eldar the warhammer 40k race. |
| 18:34.20 | Bagginsww | oh ya the ones that look vaguely like protoss/draenei? |
| 18:34.33 | Bagginsww | or they more high elves? |
| 18:34.47 | Bagginsww | sorry my knowledge of w40k is limited |
| 18:34.57 | Bagginsww | I've only looked at artwork a few times |
| 18:34.57 | Zeal | like high elves :p |
| 18:35.00 | Zeal | in space |
| 18:35.01 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:35.08 | Zeal | np |
| 18:35.14 | Bagginsww | which one was the more protoss like? |
| 18:35.46 | Zeal | tau |
| 18:36.05 | Bagginsww | thanks, and I know its actually the other way around ;) |
| 18:36.15 | Bagginsww | protoss are more "tau" like, LOL |
| 18:36.15 | Zeal | hm? |
| 18:36.32 | Bagginsww | warhammer 40k predates warcraft and starcraft right? |
| 18:36.46 | Zeal | protoss pre-date tau though, they're relatively new. |
| 18:38.00 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 18:38.50 | Fisker- | fucking awesome Bagginsww |
| 18:38.55 | winkiller | by 25 years, yes |
| 18:39.05 | Bagginsww | what is fisker? |
| 18:39.21 | Bagginsww | 25 years of what? |
| 18:39.40 | winkiller | WH is 30 years old |
| 18:39.49 | winkiller | so ok, it'S 20y older than the blizz stuff |
| 18:39.53 | Bagginsww | that's pretty old. |
| 18:39.59 | Fisker- | the rpg icon |
| 18:40.07 | winkiller | maybe *40k* only 10 years |
| 18:40.19 | Zeal | tau i think i only about 6 years old or something :S |
| 18:40.30 | Bagginsww | well I don't agree, that icon is an eyesore |
| 18:40.38 | Zeal | agreed |
| 18:40.39 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:41.08 | Bagginsww | the tbc one isn't much better |
| 18:41.17 | Bagginsww | it looks like a radioactive turd |
| 18:42.01 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc-inline |
| 18:43.19 | winkiller | no me likey |
| 18:44.23 | Bagginsww | to be honest I think I'd prefer to see the text without the scrap around it |
| 18:44.31 | Bagginsww | *crap |
| 18:45.15 | Zeal | i liek the tbc one |
| 18:45.29 | Bagginsww | I liked it at first but something about it bugs me |
| 18:45.49 | Bagginsww | reminds me of those foods I like the first bite, and then it starts to sour on me :p |
| 18:45.58 | Bagginsww | like lomi lomi salmon... |
| 18:46.20 | Bagginsww | I think I just don't like fish enough :p |
| 18:48.59 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:49.45 | Bagginsww | although I can't say I'm a fan of most hawaiian food, :p I like poi in small doses though. |
| 18:49.53 | Fisker- | but Bagginsww |
| 18:49.57 | Bagginsww | taro chips are good |
| 18:49.57 | Fisker- | IT'S A TURD |
| 18:50.11 | Bagginsww | no you are :) |
| 18:50.21 | Fisker- | no u :( |
| 18:50.34 | Bagginsww | hobbits aren't turds, just halflings |
| 18:50.46 | Bagginsww | or midgets if you prefer |
| 18:51.13 | Bagginsww | ok maybe Gollum was a turd, :p |
| 18:52.47 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:00.09 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:High_elf#Metzen heh heh |
| 19:04.02 | Zeal | random Bagginsww :P |
| 19:04.08 | Bagginsww | ;) |
| 19:08.35 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: WoW Insider Weekly - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/05/wow-insider-weekly/ |
| 19:10.06 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Chris_Metzen |
| 19:11.13 | Zeal | no idea |
| 19:13.00 | Zeal | can't find his dob : / |
| 19:13.06 | Bagginsww | me either |
| 19:14.50 | Zeal | he's worked at blizz for 14 years is all i can find, lol. |
| 19:15.49 | Bagginsww | wonders what would happen if he was booted out, and replaced :p |
| 19:22.28 | Zeal | humans will take over azeroth, orcs will become evil and labelled as demons, elves and trolls get killed off, dwarves and gnomes will refered to as midgets, and draenei will teleport to a new world. hows that? :p |
| 19:23.10 | Zeal | any race i didn't list got killed/eaten by humans. |
| 19:23.13 | Zeal | :p |
| 20:04.55 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Listen to the WoW Insider Show live! - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/05/listen-to-the-wow-insider-show-live/ |
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| 20:09.19 | Yeppy | why do you need a mallet in ZF? |
| 20:09.46 | sacarasc | to summon the annoying boss |
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| 20:29.31 | Yeppy | how do u get to the boss thru the gates? |
| 20:30.06 | sacarasc | don't kill the goblin |
| 20:30.34 | Yeppy | haha.. oops |
| 20:31.11 | Yeppy | but he was attacking us >< |
| 20:31.34 | sacarasc | he only attacks if someone hits him first |
| 20:32.31 | Yeppy | ah.. i blame the pally witht he bloody ravenger >< |
| 20:32.57 | sacarasc | i've accidently hit him before |
| 20:33.02 | sacarasc | denied all knowledge of it |
| 20:33.03 | sacarasc | :D |
| 20:33.03 | Yeppy | i blame you 2 :D |
| 20:33.07 | Yeppy | hah |
| 20:33.24 | sacarasc | blamed an AoE |
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| 20:34.04 | Yeppy | how do we get Hydro to come? |
| 20:34.11 | Yeppy | got a really good grp but we're all clueless lol |
| 20:34.20 | sacarasc | use the mallet on the gong |
| 20:34.34 | Yeppy | ah right, and that also summons the carrot on the stick dude? |
| 20:34.53 | Lukian | hydross is just there patting |
| 20:35.35 | sacarasc | hydross? ah, she's a troll... |
| 20:35.42 | sacarasc | yeah, she's just there |
| 20:35.53 | sacarasc | (hydross made me think hydra ;\) |
| 20:36.59 | Yeppy | yarp just killed her :D |
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| 20:37.52 | Yeppy | whats hydra? :D |
| 20:38.04 | sacarasc | big lizard thing |
| 20:38.13 | sacarasc | with multiple heads |
| 20:39.19 | Yeppy | oooh |
| 20:39.34 | Yeppy | how do i get a mallet? |
| 20:39.46 | sacarasc | quests in Hinterlands |
| 20:39.56 | sacarasc | which used to be hard but are now pitifully easy ;\ |
| 20:41.09 | pcj | of course ZF itself is easy |
| 20:43.17 | Yeppy | ZF is hard >< |
| 20:43.40 | Yeppy | no one knows what to do in all my groups |
| 20:43.40 | Keolah | if you say ZF is hard, I don't know what you'd say some of the raid dungeons are ;p |
| 20:43.40 | sacarasc | ZF stairs is kinda hard, the rest is pretty easy |
| 20:43.55 | Yeppy | aye only the stairs |
| 20:44.52 | Keolah | I mean, hell, if you looked at my idiot friends, you'd come to the conclusion that Ragefire Chasm is hard ;p |
| 20:49.33 | pcj | lol |
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| 20:55.18 | Lukian | whttp://www.wowwiki.com/Haste <- Doesn't scale for levels? |
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| 20:55.37 | Lukian | Or the formula is neglected to be linked / included in this article? |
| 21:01.29 | Bagginsww | Occasionally I see claims that Beyond the Dark Portal was not made by Blizzard in-house |
| 21:01.35 | Bagginsww | if not then who made it? |
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| 21:01.57 | Bagginsww | if its true shouldn't that be mentioned in its article |
| 21:02.03 | foxlit | Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal is an expansion pack developed by Cyberlore Studios, released in 1996 by Blizzard Entertainment for their award winning real-time strategy computer game Warcraft II: Tides of Darkness. |
| 21:02.09 | foxlit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_II:_Beyond_the_Dark_Portal |
| 21:02.19 | Bagginsww | where does that info come from? |
| 21:02.30 | Bagginsww | the cyberlore part? |
| 21:02.44 | foxlit | Would you like me to do all your homework for you? :) |
| 21:02.56 | Bagginsww | ok its mentioned in the manual |
| 21:03.17 | Bagginsww | although it seems the team has most of the same staff :p |
| 21:03.34 | Bagginsww | so was cyberlore an inhouse studio? |
| 21:03.36 | Bagginsww | subsidiary |
| 21:03.39 | Bagginsww | of blizzard |
| 21:04.16 | Bagginsww | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberlore_Studios alright |
| 21:08.53 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: A question of culture clash - http://www.wowinsider.com/2008/01/05/a-question-of-culture-clash/ |
| 21:09.03 | pcj | !trcount Template:AlsoSee |
| 21:09.06 | pcj | bah |
| 21:25.52 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Varian_Wrynn#Spelling |
| 21:28.28 | foxlit | "that Varian are still being held by the naga in Dustwallow have been reinserted as the Diplomat questline continues in patch 2.3." |
| 21:28.38 | foxlit | Er, not directly |
| 21:29.15 | foxlit | We have him pinned on a ship that sinks off the shore in Dustwallow, and that's about it |
| 21:29.46 | Bagginsww | that's an old post |
| 21:29.47 | foxlit | So it's relatively possible that Varian is off somewhere fighting taurens |
| 21:29.49 | Bagginsww | read the one above |
| 21:29.50 | Bagginsww | spelling |
| 21:30.03 | foxlit | Who cares about spelling? :) |
| 21:30.10 | Bagginsww | well that's why I linked it |
| 21:30.23 | Bagginsww | when I wrote that old post we knew less about the quest lines |
| 21:30.26 | Bagginsww | and the comic |
| 21:39.22 | Bagginsww | ok what to do when the can opener is missing and all you have is canned food :p |
| 21:39.47 | Bagginsww | reminds me of one of those trapped on an island movies... oh wait I am trapped on an island :p |
| 21:39.49 | pcj | hammer + nail |
| 21:40.04 | Bagginsww | wtb a nail |
| 21:40.17 | sacarasc | sharp rock |
| 21:40.42 | Bagginsww | perhaps start pestering the rest of the people in the dorm as to where they put the can opener |
| 21:41.19 | Bagginsww | I suppose I could open up one of my soups that has the easy open top |
| 21:41.24 | Bagginsww | for now |
| 21:41.46 | sacarasc | you don't have a swiss army knife on you at all times? |
| 21:41.53 | Lukian | Bagginsww, try a different draw :D |
| 21:41.58 | Lukian | drawer* |
| 21:42.18 | Bagginsww | hmm yes I need a sak :) |
| 21:42.38 | Bagginsww | onders if they they are allowed in the dorm :p |
| 21:42.45 | Bagginsww | I don't think my steak knife is :p |
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| 21:50.36 | pcj | I wonder where the portal to dalaran will be in shatt |
| 21:51.03 | foxlit | Why should there be one? :) |
| 21:51.17 | pcj | there's a portal to all old-world towns from shatt |
| 21:51.19 | foxlit | There's no IF -> Shatt portal, you know :P |
| 21:51.32 | foxlit | dalaran isn't exactly an old world town, is it now? |
| 21:51.43 | pcj | it's on azeroth |
| 21:52.03 | foxlit | It's on northrend :P |
| 21:52.31 | foxlit | ^ (top of), but that wouldn't make my joke about Azeroth the continent work :P |
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| 22:08.24 | Yeppy | doin ZF, an the prisioned npcs.. just summoned themselves away |
| 22:17.10 | Fisker- | btw foxlit |
| 22:17.11 | Fisker- | i owned you |
| 22:17.16 | foxlit | moo? |
| 22:17.27 | Fisker- | your blp to png converter |
| 22:17.31 | Fisker- | doesn't even do batches |
| 22:17.32 | foxlit | oh? |
| 22:17.52 | foxlit | It'd be trivial to add, tbh. |
| 22:18.24 | foxlit | Anyway, beyond the point - the version I use does :) |
| 22:18.38 | foxlit | Anything else interesting, Fisker-? |
| 22:18.38 | Fisker- | same here |
| 22:18.45 | Fisker- | not other than you sucking :P |
| 22:19.32 | pcj | foxlit: more of you sucking, templates stop working close to the bottom of the page http://www.wowwiki.com/Disenchanting_tables |
| 22:20.19 | foxlit | You've exceeded the template expansion limit; use less templates, nub! |
| 22:20.42 | foxlit | In fact, burn your {{loot}}-replacement regex |
| 22:20.53 | foxlit | :) |
| 22:20.56 | pcj | how many templates can i use |
| 22:21.20 | foxlit | Depends on the size of item pages those templates fetch |
| 22:22.47 | foxlit | Around 83 {{item|Lesser Magic Essence}} on a page |
| 22:22.57 | foxlit | larger item pages cost more, smaller cost less |
| 22:23.15 | pcj | {{cost|suck=83}} |
| 22:23.15 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/suck=83 |
| 22:23.18 | foxlit | Tooltip expansion stops once it's fetched more than two megabytes of pre-expanded tooltip text |
| 22:23.36 | foxlit | s/tooltip/template/ |
| 22:23.40 | pcj | lol |
| 22:23.59 | foxlit | In short, don't use {{item}} for large tables |
| 22:25.29 | foxlit | Can't do much about it without moving most of item data onto its own dedicated pages and fetching from there |
| 22:26.28 | pcj | So...{{#switch:{{{itemid}}}}}? |
| 22:26.40 | foxlit | No, since that'd be huge |
| 22:26.51 | pcj | You pansy |
| 22:27.06 | foxlit | Hey, I'm all for a plan that'd actually work :P |
| 22:29.06 | pcj | Well, if you did something like {{#if:{{#eval:{{{itemid}}}<5000}}|{{itemlist1|{{{itemid}}}}}|{{#if:{{#eval:{{{itemid}}}<10000}}|{{itemlist2|{{{itemid}}}}}|{{#if... |
| 22:30.07 | foxlit | it's easiest to express that as {{itemlist{{#eval:{{{itemid}}} / 5000}}}}, but there are more issues |
| 22:30.24 | pcj | Hmm, sure |
| 22:31.26 | pcj | And of course fandy disagrees with horizontal templates |
| 22:34.50 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Converting_vertical_templates_to_horizontal_templates |
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| 23:03.57 | Yeppy | whats the shortcut to minimize? |
| 23:04.35 | ecstasia | try /camp |
| 23:04.50 | ecstasia | or alt-tab |
| 23:05.25 | Yeppy | aye, but that just puts wow behind |
| 23:05.38 | Yeppy | sure theres one to mini |
| 23:06.07 | Yeppy | ah nm i just bein lazy >< |
| 23:08.02 | ecstasia | i usually just click my start key |
| 23:09.55 | ecstasia | well, press my start key |
| 23:11.34 | Gourra | hm http://www.wowwiki.com/QQ |
| 23:11.36 | Zurr | is it just me or is class 'title' and 'alt' the same color? |
| 23:12.09 | Gourra | just you |
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| 23:19.08 | foxlit | Hm, well, that simplifies things. Turns out you can't see linked usernames unless you're that user. |
| 23:24.23 | Zurr | is there a list somewhere for all the classes? |
| 23:24.51 | Gourra | http://wowwiki.com/Class |
| 23:25.04 | Sky2042 | hehe |
| 23:25.12 | Sky2042 | [[RPG class]] i think, also |
| 23:25.12 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/RPG_class |
| 23:25.17 | ecstasia | is there a wowwiki page on raid etiquette? |
| 23:25.33 | Sky2042 | ecstasia: probably |
| 23:25.35 | ecstasia | if not there should be |
| 23:25.40 | ecstasia | i just did a search for 'raid' |
| 23:25.41 | Sky2042 | [[Raiding for newbies]], I think. |
| 23:25.42 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Raiding_for_newbies |
| 23:26.00 | Sky2042 | [[Raid]] |
| 23:26.01 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Raid |
| 23:26.29 | ecstasia | handy |
| 23:26.32 | ecstasia | i'll have to rememebr that |
| 23:28.56 | Sky2042 | i'm not sure there's an etiquette page though... um |
| 23:28.58 | Sky2042 | [[group]] |
| 23:28.58 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/group |
| 23:29.14 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Party |
| 23:29.33 | Sky2042 | ah ha |
| 23:29.35 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Instance_Grouping_Guide |
| 23:30.08 | ecstasia | there needs to be |
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| 23:30.56 | Sky2042 | it's squashed in on that page |
| 23:34.30 | ecstasia | i need a big printable kara guide |
| 23:35.30 | Sky2042 | for all bosses? or the instance in general?... |
| 23:35.54 | Fisker- | lol Dotted |
| 23:35.56 | Fisker- | you fail |
| 23:36.01 | Dotted | ? |
| 23:36.51 | ecstasia | the whole shebang |
| 23:37.09 | Fisker- | #5 - 2'ern virker fint her og jeg køre endda vista. Prøv en gang til ;) |
| 23:37.15 | Fisker- | du har købt rockstar collection ololol |
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| 23:38.58 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Lich_King#Lich_King_Arthas_classes_.28or_near-classes.29 |
| 23:40.13 | Bagginsww | sky when was the actual publish release date for MoM |
| 23:40.18 | Bagginsww | I mean the book says 2003 |
| 23:40.27 | Bagginsww | but didn't say it didn't get released until like 2004? |
| 23:40.40 | Sky2042 | god knows. |
| 23:41.18 | Bagginsww | amazon had it listed as october publishing date too |
| 23:41.25 | Bagginsww | 2003 |
| 23:44.45 | Bagginsww | but ya its safe to safe tosay that if bob fitch's unofficial post was made before the release of Shadow's and Light, then its just conceptual idea thoughts, and not actual published material |
| 23:44.59 | Bagginsww | not a reliable source of information |
| 23:45.02 | Bagginsww | despite who he is |
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