IRC log for #wowwiki on 20080104

00:01.02Zealwowwiki, amazingly :p
00:01.54AdriandCould you answer a quick question for me real fast about IRC
00:02.18AdriandOk so I saw that there are realm channels, how would I connect to one?
00:03.11kd3so, for example, one of my old guilds channels was on quakenet. I would've typed /server irc.quakenet,net and then /join #fury
00:03.39AdriandSo I would have to find the server name for auchindoun?
00:03.59kd3check your realm forums or its page on the wiki
00:04.18kd3irc's totally unrelated to wow servers, there are a bunch of irc networks that have wow guild/realm channels
00:04.33Adriandic thank you so much
00:04.37kd3no prob
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00:05.13Zeallamesurge :/
00:05.19kd3you'll probably want to connect to "" rather than www.
00:06.28Adriandthanks I think I found it
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00:09.15kd3hm. I wonder if we can change {{queststartfinish}} to an interrobang rather than a ! and a ?
00:11.45Kirkburnkd3, ooh, I like that idea
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00:20.47BraveFootDoes anyone know where the page for the druid ability Maul went
00:22.35Zeali suspect it was moved
00:22.49Zealor some nub deleted it and created the maul item in it's place.
00:22.56Zealwhere too, i dunno.
00:23.06Zealtheres no disambig on [[Maul]] : /
00:23.11Zealwhich needs to be fixed.
00:23.41pcj[[Maul (ability)]]
00:23.42[NewsBot]pcj meant:
00:24.04Zealwas jsut about to link it ffs ;/
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00:27.20foxlitMaul (ability) -> Maul
00:29.31Zealedit conflicts are so much fun, no?
00:30.07Zealreturned as a lootlink, great..
00:30.33Zealanyways, nn all
00:32.18Bagginswwso ya I was readjusting the sheets on my bed in the dorm, and there is a bag of white powder under my mattress...
00:32.38kd3woo coke
00:32.52BagginswwMy thoughts as well, :p
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00:34.33BraveFootoops, I kinda sorta replaced the new maul with a disambig page because the maul (ability) page was still there
00:34.40BraveFootYou might want to revet it
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00:35.05BagginswwI'd only create a disambig page if there was like three different mauls ;)
00:35.24Bagginswwand at least two were very important :p
00:35.48BraveFootYa, my bad
00:35.50DuTempeteBaggins... when did you start doing coke?!
00:36.06BagginswwI like coke classic
00:36.10Bagginswwthat's about it ;)
00:36.25foxlitBraveFoot: don't worry about it :)
00:36.39Bagginswwso ya, uh "Dire Maul"
00:36.45BagginswwMaul, and Maul :p
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00:37.35kd3who the hell refers to DM as "Maul"?
00:37.51BagginswwI don't but did you know there are like 60 mauls in the game
00:38.14Bagginswwthat's significant :p
00:38.15foxlitAnd they each have a proper name :)
00:38.40Bagginswwwell it just means that we could toss in the definition of a maul
00:38.45Bagginswwreal world definition
00:38.52Bagginswwand list them all on one page :p
00:38.58Bagginswwlinks to them I mean
00:39.22Bagginswwok not 60 mauls, more like 15 at the most
00:39.30Bagginsww"warmaul" doesn't count :p
00:39.37Bagginswwnor mauler
00:39.38kd3huh. the armory says there's a s2 maul but not a s3 one.
00:39.46Bagginswwor stonemaul :p
00:40.09foxlitNot a dictionary :)
00:40.25BagginswwWonders what I find if I search for maul in the rpg :p
00:40.43Bagginswwprobably something similar to the dictionary definition :p
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00:43.18Sky2042_afklol, Kirkburn
00:43.26Sky2042_afk383 days until the nightmare finally ends...
00:43.36Sky2042_afkfrom the front page of rationalwiki
00:43.40Sky2042_afktoo funny
00:45.15foxlitoh fs
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00:54.07Lukianis wowwiki planning on indexing npc's at some point?
00:56.35foxlitAren't we already?
00:56.45Sky2042_afkLukian: indexing?...
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01:02.34Lukianautomatically adding them all :)
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01:13.26Bagginswwyou know people say "vampires don't exist in warcraft"
01:13.40Bagginswwbut for that term to even be used it has to at least exist in their legends :p
01:13.55BagginswwI mean "vampiric embrace" "vampiric aura", etc
01:14.00BagginswwVampire bats :p
01:15.23Bagginswwalso true
01:15.41Sky2042_afknathrezim would be the vampires of WoW, I think. as that's also where the term originated; with the aura
01:15.55Bagginswwahh haw, "The subject’s natural weapon is imbued with the
01:15.55Bagginswwessence of a vampire. Her natural attacks give life
01:15.55Bagginswwback to her."
01:16.22Bagginswwa vampire eh
01:16.54Bagginswwfeels like creating the vampire article and discussing all known vampires ;)
01:17.06Bagginswwvampire bats, nathrezim etc
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01:19.56BagginswwBrann calls worgen were-wolves at least once I think
01:20.04Bagginswwso we know that term exists as well
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01:25.28foxlit"infobot: OK, foxlit, I'll let foxlit know."
01:28.53ArideniSky2042_afk: Hello^_^
01:29.17Bagginsww even if it is speculation, it may be very true, so I think we should avoid "spoiling" the secret for anyone who isn't paying attention
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01:30.27Bagginswwbtw the comic says Lo'Gosh means ghost wolf?
01:30.42Bagginswwthat needs to be added to orcish with the citation if so
01:33.27foxlitHow can speculation be a spoiler?
01:34.14Bagginswwwell we need an actually "maybe a spoiler"
01:34.30Bagginswwthe flashback material is somewhat spoiler material
01:34.38Bagginsww*may contain spoilers
01:34.51foxlitIt's only a spoiler if it's actually correct
01:35.01Bagginswwthus why we need a "may contain spoiilers"
01:35.17foxlitNo, speculation covers it
01:35.43foxlit"If this is correct, and I'm not sure if it is, the content below may be new and original"
01:37.25pcjbaggins did the [[Rastakhan]] problem get fixed
01:38.13Bagginswwwell the problem is more along the lines that "races" might be too much of a term
01:38.23Bagginswwfor example if you say Night elf zombie
01:38.26pcj...what should it say then
01:38.33Bagginswwits more of a description than plural
01:38.47Bagginswwso race would be a better term
01:38.58pcjWhat about Race(s)
01:39.04Bagginswwya that's better
01:39.19Bagginswwat least it can be singular
01:40.15Bagginswwmaybe I should just move the spoiler warning to the top of the whole artilc,e ;)
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01:48.02BraveFootWow, newbot can do one job every 0 seconds, that's pretty crazy
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02:19.51KirkburnBraveFoot, that's the wiki's queue, [NewsBot] is just telling us about it :P
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02:20.09KirkburnHey, who increased it? ;)
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02:50.11BagginswwPCJ I think I should be putting this page on your name space, :p
02:50.13Bagginsww ;)
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02:50.46BagginswwI'd suggest tieing it to the [[class ideas]] page rather than great sea
02:50.55Bagginswwwe are trying to do away with fan fic from great sea page
02:51.29Bagginswwand this means clean up of all fanfic from pretty much any idea page
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03:21.54BagginswwSo should the article be "Stonehoof tribe" or "Stonehoof tauren"?
03:22.08Bagginswwwith the later you avoid the whole clan vs tribe conundrum
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03:59.13Bagginswwpoint of note I doubt any classes that require what is a profession in WoW like alchemy or engineering, wil everl become a hero class.
03:59.22Bagginsww*will ever
04:00.08Bagginswwlike Apothecary or dark apothecary
04:00.37Bagginswwtinker is likely too close to engineer
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04:34.37pcjhi DuTempete :)
04:34.54DuTempetehi pcj :P
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04:41.48Bagginsww icons are cute and all but maybe we should avoid inserting them into paragraphs...
04:42.23BagginswwI mean would you do such a thing on a written report?
04:55.41Bagginsww scantily clad official picture dutempete, ;)
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04:56.38DuTempeteoh, that's not *too* bad
04:56.51DuTempetethe crotch cleavage is a little much, though
04:58.53Bagginswwwell that was part I was referring to
04:59.04Bagginswwupper half is more or less covered
05:00.08Bagginswwnote how he holds the woman in the lost screenshot I gave you :)
05:02.06[NewsBot]DuTempete meant:
05:03.12DuTempetelooks to me like he's holding her *back* Bagginsww
05:03.22Bagginswwand her arm
05:03.32DuTempetethat's what I mean
05:03.54BagginswwHe's just pretty up close and tight to her. Reminds me of Dirk holding the princess in Dragon's Lair
05:04.06zZzDuTempetewell, I'm sleepy ;)
05:05.38zZzDuTempeteinight night pcj
05:05.46zZzDuTempeteand bagginsww
05:05.49zZzDuTempeteand everyone
05:05.50pcjnight DuTempete :)
05:06.00zZzDuTempeteand my sweet Kirkburn|sleep
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07:40.43Sky2042_afkkilling tlink feels good.
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07:58.19Bagginswwkilling it?
07:58.27Bagginswwwhat do we use instead?
07:59.12[NewsBot]Sky2042_afk meant:
07:59.49Bagginswwoh I use t its easier
08:10.25Sky2042_afkZurr: you on?
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08:15.03Lukianwhere can I read about stats caps?
08:15.13Sky2042_afkLukian: stats caps?
08:15.22Lukianlike 75% cap on armour etc.
08:15.26Lukianie. what else has a cap
08:15.40Sky2042_afknot that I know of :/
08:16.17Lukiannothing? :o
08:16.28Sky2042_afknope. not all in one place.
08:16.34Lukianah right
08:24.40Lukianis this an error?
08:24.44LukianExample 4
08:24.54LukianDefense 490 (which adds +5.6% to his base 5% chance to be missed
08:25.01LukianMiss 10.00% 0.01 - 10.00
08:25.09Lukianshouldn't that be 10.60%?
08:26.06LukianDodge chance 10.2%.. the table to the right, again says 9.60%
08:26.17Lukiandid someone fail writing this example? :)
08:26.30Sky2042_afkexample might be old too.
08:27.30LukianShould I edit it? Someone can always revert if my assumptions are wrong
08:27.57Sky2042_afkfeel free to.
08:28.02[NewsBot]Sky2042_afk meant:
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08:32.58Lukianah it's explained there
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08:33.17Lukianbecause the boss is +3 levels, it in turn gains 0.6% chance to hit
08:33.46Sky2042_afkwell, there you have it
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08:49.44Sky2042_afkdamn redirects
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09:08.58BagginswwLOL it was easy to add the silly category :p
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09:09.25Bagginswwpeople jump to the "delete" bandwagon when there are such easy ways around it :p
09:09.51Sky2042_afkhave you listened to it?
09:10.09Sky2042_afkthe last verse especially.
09:10.43Bagginswwya its perfect
09:10.58BagginswwI've been there, and know about the nasty ring
09:11.01Sky2042_afkthe suspensions in the last one... heavenly
09:11.04BagginswwI've never personally set it off
09:11.09Bagginswwbut I've been killed by it LOL
09:11.42Sky2042_afki'm not sure if i've ever asked you, but have you done any sort of music theory work?
09:11.46BagginswwWonders if he/they are a chanter in a professional group
09:12.06Sky2042_afksee the thread i linked right above it.
09:12.12Sky2042_afki don't think he says he is.
09:12.43Bagginswwmaybe he just has a big fan of gregorian chant :p
09:13.12Sky2042_afkit's not gregorian chant.
09:13.22Sky2042_afkit's just stacking the chord in 3rds.
09:13.39Bagginswwahh, it sounds like medieval chant of some kind.
09:13.42Sky2042_afkroot, 3rd, 5th, 7th, 9th (2nd), 4th, 6th suspension
09:13.50Sky2042_afkbecause there's so many tones
09:13.51ecsthis thing rocks
09:13.58ecsrepeat ftw
09:14.08Sky2042_afkthere's a ytmnd so you don't have to repeat
09:14.10Bagginswwanycase he sounds very experienced
09:15.32Zealagree with you on the mass mess of icons in paragraphs Bagginsww : /
09:15.44Zealbut kill the spoiler template plx :p
09:15.48Bagginswwya, its cheesay as hell
09:17.51Sky2042_afkZeal: kill spoiler template plx?
09:18.53Zealhad the discussion before. can't stand spoiler disclaimers on informational/encylopedic sites.
09:19.01Sky2042_afkneither can I =)
09:19.18Sky2042_afkand neither could like 3 users on WP, so they removed them there through the use of a semiautomated editing program
09:19.41Sky2042_afkthere were something like 45k tags
09:19.45Sky2042_afkwhich is a lot to remove.
09:20.31Sky2042_afkI wonder if I can dig up the arbcom case, or maybe it was rfc :/
09:21.49ecsyou know what i'm going to be in my head all night while i dream?
09:22.02ecs"I will not move when flame wraeth is cast or the raid blows up"
09:22.13Sky2042_afk prolly has what is needed
09:22.17Sky2042_afkand in the archives
09:22.31ecsi need it to get nice and deep in my subconscious
09:22.35Zealcan't beleive people did that in my raids. was only when i was forced to recruit nubs : /
09:22.40ecsso maybe i should put it on my ipod and play it all night...
09:30.58Zeali still hate aran for killing my pet with arcane missles multiple times (3 times in a fight once) : /
09:31.52Zealer.. you can't aggro him
09:31.54Zealit;s random
09:32.56Sky2042_afkwell, lrn2notgithit
09:34.13Lukianwow, I need to pull out 15% across dodge, parry or block if I want to be uncrusable on my loladin
09:34.53Sky2042_afkyeah, i just finished deprecating {{tlink}} using that same semi-automatic program.
09:35.00Sky2042_afkand then I deleted {{t}}
09:35.14Zealffs, i hate videos that have a seek capable bar but can't seek..
09:35.33Zealdeleted {{t}} huh? :P
09:35.50Sky2042_afkyeah, it's prolly what got the jobqueue so high
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09:36.21Zealhuh? {{t}} is still there. why would you want to delete it? :S
09:36.24Sky2042_afkor possibly pcj's edit to npcbox
09:36.33Sky2042_afktlink was an rd to t.
09:36.45Sky2042_afki clicked on tlink...
09:37.00Zealnub, lol
09:37.31Sky2042_afkadys or gryphen did it once before.
09:38.04Zealhm.. never fallen through a bg before like that, since when does it put you back into the sky? :S
09:38.32Zealtalking about btw
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09:38.56Zealhey Adys
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16:09.14zZzDuTempetebet it's another version of Admin6
16:09.22zZzDuTempeteand good morning ;)
16:09.37pcjhi DuTempete :)
16:09.43pcjyeah that's what i commented on violations
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16:15.51pcjI'm wondering if we should have a comprehensive list like
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16:17.31DuTempetelist of what, though?
16:17.49pcjNo, I mean, should we really have a comprehensive list of twink guilds
16:18.15DuTempeteI don't think it's inappropriate.
16:18.22pcjBut hard to keep up-to-date
16:18.31pcjIt's obviously never going to be complete
16:18.43DuTempeteIf someone finds it useful, then it's got a purpose.
16:19.06DuTempeteServer pages are just the same.
16:19.23pcjYes, but more maintainable
16:20.25DuTempeteIf we were to start deleting pages because they are "hard to keep up to date" we might as well not have a wiki at all...
16:20.39Pzyknot really
16:20.51Pzykpages shouldn't contain things that are high maintenance
16:21.01DuTempetewhy not?
16:21.17Pzyk[[WW:GUILD]] I think?
16:21.17[NewsBot]Pzyk meant:
16:21.29DuTempetelol pcj
16:22.19DuTempeteThat's a guild page, pzyk
16:22.31DuTempeteand by frequently, I think they mean more like once a day or more.
16:23.05DuTempeteyou're talking about [[WW:GUILD#Not allowed]]
16:23.11Pzykwell if we're going to apply it to the twink page
16:23.26Pzykat most it should be on the server pages, instead of all on one page.
16:23.29DuTempetewell, lets get some admin input, here
16:23.39DuTempeteKikrburn foxlit kd3 ping!
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16:24.16DuTempeteeeeek Kalroth!
16:24.26KalrothHarro Doooo!
16:24.30DuTempetea bit...
16:24.51DuTempeteI was going to say "Neener." after that, but now it won't have the same effect...
16:25.13foxlitso what's that input thing?
16:25.15DuTempeteAny thoughts on the discussion, foxlit?
16:25.48DuTempeteabout the list of twink guilds
16:26.05foxlitWhether or not [[Twink_guilds]] is sustainable?
16:26.08DuTempetethings that are "hard to update"
16:26.26DuTempeteand what sort of frequency of updating do we consider too often?
16:26.41DuTempetes/too often//too often//
16:27.05DuTempetewon't insert forward slashes :(
16:27.13Pzykwell a list of guilds wouldn't really have to be updated too often
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16:27.43foxlitI'd presume it would only be updated in one direction
16:28.01Pzykbut I think the better question is whether a list containing guilds across every realm is really needed
16:28.24DuTempetena, things would be added and removed
16:28.35PzykIt's probably be better served by splitting it up by server, or by battlegroup, if that's the author's intention
16:28.43DuTempetepxyk, just because yo don't find it useful doesn't mean there aren't a great number of people who do.
16:29.07DuTempeteNo, pzyk, the author's intention is to meet on PTR, as it states.
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16:29.38foxlitDuTempete: who could be arsed to remove anything?
16:29.52Pzykah, I just looked over the page in full
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16:30.01PzykI thought it was just a list, but it's more like a bulletin board
16:30.09pcjthat's the problem i saw with it foxlit
16:30.18specbeansrandom question - but does anyone know if druids hibernate is broken by beastial wrath?
16:30.22DuTempete'tis true foxlit
16:30.35DuTempetebut again, that's the same issue one has on a server page
16:30.50foxlitBestial wrath makes the pet immune to cc
16:30.50pcjNah, people on the server are more likely to maintain it
16:30.54Pzykcan you activate beastial wrath if your pet is polied?
16:30.54DuTempeteno idea, specbeans.  Have you asked in #wowhead?
16:30.55foxlitI don't think it actually breaks it
16:31.11specbeansfoxlit, im talking about hibernating the pet. then he pops beastial wrath
16:31.17specbeanswill the wrath break the pet out of sleep?
16:31.32PzykI don't think so, but I'm not sure
16:31.34DuTempeteone can hibernate a hunter pet?
16:31.35foxlitfoxlit: Bestial wrath makes the pet immune to cc
16:31.41foxlitfoxlit: I don't think it actually breaks it
16:31.53DuTempetean, immunity is not the same as breaking sp[ecbeans
16:32.11foxlitAnd I'm not sure if it can be activated while the pet is CCed
16:32.13specbeansmy alt boomkin is gonna duel someones alt hunter. and hes flipping BM. so im trying to come up with some sort of tactic to beat him :P
16:32.28foxlitmelee range, problem solvecd
16:32.35specbeansbest thing i come up with is stealth, sleep the pet and run up close to the hunter
16:32.48Pzyknot worth it imo
16:32.50DuTempeteignore the pet and whoop his ass
16:32.55Pzykno pushback resist on hibernate
16:32.59specbeanshes BM, you cant really ignore the pet tbh
16:33.03foxlitPets hurt more than hunters
16:33.15specbeanshis pet is gonna whoop my ass more than him
16:33.15DuTempetestealth? as boomkin?
16:33.22specbeanscat form?
16:33.28specbeanstauren ^
16:33.41foxlitYou can barkskin if you wanted to, but BM would probably be procced before you finished casting hibernate
16:33.45DuTempetethat's the point, specbeans he's weak.
16:34.05DuTempeteshadowmeld is only when standing still, anyway, foxlit :P
16:34.22foxlitDoesn't stop me from using it :)
16:34.36DuTempeteand my point about boomkin, specbeans, is that you are your spec.  Use it to its advantage.
16:35.06DuTempeteUsing abilities you aren't spec'd for can make you weaker.
16:35.28specbeanswell, hes a bit of a nab, so im gonna go boomkin, hope it pops BM and then cat form and stealth for the duration of BM
16:35.43specbeansif not, i want to stealth, and then hibernate while hes stood there, before he has chance to see me/pop bm
16:35.53DuTempetedoesn't hurt to give it a shot, of course :P
16:35.56specbeansthen boomkin form, get up close and start pounding him
16:36.01foxlitThat won't work
16:36.27foxlitPets chase you through your stealth, and you're likely to be in combat before you can stealth
16:37.09Pzykthe only way that'll work is if the duel range is really huge and you can out run him until BW is over
16:37.18Pzykbut it's too small for something like that
16:37.37DuTempetewhy would you try to outrun a hunter?
16:38.26specbeanswell the idea was, go boomkin as the duel countdown goes. and then hope he doexs think of catform and pop bm read
16:38.32specbeansand then i can stealth before the duel starts
16:38.36specbeansand he wastes BM
16:38.50DuTempetepcj, why don't you put up a discussion point on that page's talk page about the validity of its existence?
16:38.53specbeansif you get my drift
16:39.31Pzykis your friend stupid?
16:39.39specbeanson his hunter yes
16:39.43specbeanshes cocky too :P
16:39.59specbeanshe often pops BM just before the duel starts, trying to kill me in as little time as poss
16:40.00Pzykrequires a lot of faith in his stupidity to pull that off
16:40.06specbeanslmao it does
16:41.03Pzykstill don't get why anyone would do it before the duel starts
16:41.09specbeansbut its in the same thing if he doesnt use beastial wrath
16:41.17specbeansill stealth and then get a bit of distance
16:41.22specbeansand hibernate the pet and then work him
16:41.37specbeansgives me a chance to get him before his pet gets onto me
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16:42.22DuTempetehiya clad :)
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16:45.47specbeansso if anyone has any advice / tips, feel free to share :P
16:46.06foxlitspam moonfire in his face
16:46.17DuTempeteYou know, I would ask MIyari about it in #wowhead.  She plays a druid, although I think resto.
16:46.18foxlitOf course, that only really works if you've got the +damage to back it up :)
16:46.45Pzykkek, I just pvp resto, and I hump the hunter with travel form.
16:46.51Pzykit's fun.
16:47.10specbeansmy boomkin is a nab really. 2 peices of glad gear. mostly blues. glad war staff
16:47.30specbeanshis hunter isnt exactly geared but hes got a bit more glad stuff, and about 1.5k/2k more hp
16:47.34DuTempetea nab?  Is that the new imalgamation of newb?
16:47.35Pzykwyrmhide or kodo?
16:47.57specbeanshes my alt, give me a break. im not a fan of honour grinding tbh
16:48.09foxlitarena grinding is where it's at :P
16:48.30foxlitWhat? I enjoy pvp in PvE gear!
16:48.38PzykI just buy my points. =/
16:48.49foxlit6k starfires really annoy some warriors
16:49.42PzykBGs are fun as ranged regardless of class.
16:50.02DuTempeteI'm not too big into pvp :P
16:50.21DuTempeteis it bad that I play a warlock on a pvp server, then? :P
16:50.34Pzyksounds backwards.
16:50.49DuTempeteIf it was open pvp, I'd be more into it.
16:51.02DuTempeteall these rules and restrictions just give it a sour taste to me.
16:51.21DuTempetebesides, I only moved to this server because of my friends.
16:51.26DuTempeteI'm really a carebear at heart.
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16:55.17DuTempetehas anyone told Sandwichman how page reversion works?
16:55.45pcjwhy do you say that
16:56.19DuTempeteI guess the first question to ask is... am I just not aware there's a way to revert w/o it bringing up the revert message?
16:57.15Pzykrevert message?
16:59.17DuTempeteand this one too:
16:59.45DuTempeteit looks as if he did those manually...
17:00.50DuTempete[[User:The true lord]] has struck again :P
17:00.50[NewsBot]DuTempete meant:
17:00.56Pzyka nice read
17:01.11Pzyk"The black Temple, known as his headquarters where he performs twisted, bizarre sex games with his unlucky victims."
17:01.27DuTempete[[Special:Contributions/The true lord]]
17:01.27[NewsBot]DuTempete meant:
17:04.22Gourrathe loot part was kinda funny
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17:07.13Gourrawhich of the two templates do you people prefer?
17:07.27Gourrazebra or no zebra look
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17:08.14pcjuse class="alt" instead of style="background:#343437"
17:09.40Gourrayes, Sky said I should skip class="alt", but I used style="background:" and didn't change back
17:09.50Gourraso just ignore that part
17:13.53Pzykzebra one would be preferred
17:14.01Pzykif bolt of imbued netherweave wasn't two lines
17:14.40Gourraif it was one line it would be too wide, that's why
17:15.25Gourradamn you pjc, don't change my template without saying
17:15.31Pzykbut now it just throws it off
17:15.39Gourrahm yeah, I agree Pzyk
17:15.59foxlitWas that box ever a good idea?
17:16.52Gourrayes, as was agreed on the talk page: "Much neater than having the separate cloth and bolts templates.--Bluemage427"
17:17.11Gourrabut please keep the discussion there
17:17.47foxlitOn a _user_ talk page?
17:18.20foxlitI can't think of a scenario that'd make the list of cloth/bolt items on every cloth/bolt page useful
17:18.25Gourrathat talk page
17:19.31Gourrahave you even looked at the {{clothitems}} and {{clothbolts}} templates?
17:19.41Pzykwhat are they needed for anyways?
17:20.25Gourraperhaps to make a comprehensive list of cloth and bolts in the game?
17:20.40pcjThat could just as easily be on its own page
17:20.48Pzykbut do you really need those lists?
17:20.58pcjOoh, that too
17:21.02GourraThat's not for me to decide, I just merged the lists
17:21.15Pzykwould a user need a direct link from say, linen cloth to spellcloth?
17:22.13GourraI don't know, and that's not of my business, my idea was just a merge of the two templates
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17:32.40DuTempeteok, foxlit... what's the xyntax to request an item's page be created?
17:34.01DuTempeteoh, foxlit is bye-bye :P
17:34.10DuTempetepcj knows, though, doesn't he!
17:34.54DuTempeteFoxbot: help
17:35.09pcj{{User:Foxbot/UpdateItem|date=January 2008|tiponly=true|user=Pcj}}
17:35.10[NewsBot]pcj meant:
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17:36.05DuTempeteok... not sure that makes any sense to me
17:36.25DuTempeteI'll go read foxbot's page :P
17:36.27pcjdate is the date you tagged it
17:36.39pcjonly specify tiponly if you don't want the whole page updated
17:36.43pcjuser is your wiki username
17:36.45pcjnot too hard
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17:38.36DuTempeteoh, that's for the page
17:38.42DuTempeteI meant in IRC
17:39.13DuTempete!item [sandbox] 32748
17:40.03pcjFoxbot is bye-bye as well
17:40.47pcj!trcount Template:Tooltip
17:41.01DuTempete!editcount biteme
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17:48.40DuTempete[[Talk:Cleave/Analysis]] makes my head hurt... could someone else also look at it and tell me if they thing it belongs in Talk:Cleave or in a separate page on "On Next Hit"?
17:48.41[NewsBot]DuTempete meant:
17:49.01DuTempeteI don't think it belongs where it's at, though.
17:50.40pcjIt needs to be merged into the main Cleave article as much as possible
17:51.43DuTempeteIt also applies to Heroic Strike, according to the writer...
17:51.54Pzykcould split it evenly
17:52.10Pzykthe numbers they use are atrocious though
17:52.38Pzykshould convert to a comparable fraction, rather than 1/4, 2/7, 7/22 and so on
17:53.43DuTempeteOn Next Hit does sound like something that should be its own page, though...
17:54.19DuTempetesadly, it doesn't look like anything at all mentions that those two abilities *are* on next hit
17:54.53DuTempeteHeroic strike isn't an extra attack
17:55.01DuTempeteit's a bonus to your *next* attack
17:55.15Pzykbasically meaning "on next hit"
17:55.43DuTempeteafaik, warriors are the only class with such abilities, though
17:55.59[NewsBot]Pzyk meant:
17:56.19DuTempetewould make sense
17:56.55DuTempeteso... I guess my next question is why math on the phenomenon is necessary?
17:58.33pcj[[Bloodthirster's Wargreaves]]
17:58.33[NewsBot]pcj meant:'s_Wargreaves
17:58.34pcjmissing icon
17:58.37Pzyknot sure
17:58.45Gourra|awayon it pjc
17:58.52PzykI mean, they are for completely different purposes I think
17:58.56DuTempeteI hate theorycrafters... :(
17:59.00pcjk thx grooua
17:59.05Pzykthe analysis is whether cleave or HS is better
17:59.32DuTempeteI see, now
17:59.43DuTempeteI had to take a break from reading that for a minute :P
17:59.50Pzykobviously cleave is better when there are multiple mobs, and HS is for single mobs
18:00.05Pzykwhich makes me wonder why anyone would want to analyze it. @_@
18:00.10Gourrapjc, icon uploaded
18:00.25pcjty orguuua
18:01.26DuTempeteit sounds like he was just mad they weren't speaking about it in accurate terms, pzyk :P
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18:14.22Gourrasigs doesn't like ‮҉ I see
18:15.36Pzykthis can't be good.
18:17.07Gourrasomeone linked that to me
18:17.13Pzyklol, just saw ED and thought any link to it is a little dangerous.
18:19.04Gourraanother link
18:19.07Gourrato the same thing
18:19.16Gourraif you're suspicious of ED
18:21.21Pzyknah, looked at the first link
18:21.28Pzykit's fun to use on wow forums
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18:26.05Pzykwhen are they ever fixing armory?
18:26.48Gourraat least EU is working
18:27.11Gourraand US for me
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18:42.37pcjafternoon kirkburn
18:43.00Bagginswwyou know I"m totally with zeal in that I think we go too far with "templates"
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18:44.32Bagginswwsometimes people want to make templates for the most mundane of things
18:44.56winkillerand sometimes like character tables it's more than needed
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18:45.30Bagginswwwell I like npcboxes
18:46.45Bagginswwthen there are cases where you someone puts two templates on the same page for something that has only a sentence of informatin
18:46.52Bagginswwand the tables totally dominate the page :p
18:47.11Bagginswwand have nothing to do with the topic of the page beyond six degrees of seperation
18:49.46BagginswwAnother thing that bothers me are when we have verticle templates next to a infobox. Like say the one on [[Sunwell]]
18:50.05Bagginswwit mashes the text on the left
18:50.09pcjI keep wanting to integrate them somehow
18:50.10Bagginswwon smaller monitors
18:50.16pcjBut the Infobox should be there in any case
18:50.21Bagginswwmaybe if it was an extention to an infobox
18:50.26pcjThe other vertical template can be made horizontal
18:50.38BagginswwI prefer horizontal templates and putting them at the bottom
18:51.07Bagginswwthat way it acts much like a see also section, which are always at the bottom
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18:55.48Bagginsww yay for mundane pointless articles :p
18:55.58Bagginswwsame goes for the male equivalent by the way
18:56.22Gourrayeah it's kinda pointless
18:56.35pcjlol idk i look it up every time i forget
18:56.50Bagginswwwhat's a female? you say?
18:57.22Gourrawhat is this "outside" you speak of?
18:57.35KeolahWhat's IRL? :)
18:57.52Bagginswwheh heh
18:58.38BagginswwI need to find that picture of dwarven female from Lord of the Clans again. She was bearded btw heh heh
18:58.52BagginswwWArcraft ADventures I mean
18:58.58KeolahFemale dwarves are terrifying.
18:59.52BagginswwThey remind me of me mom, yarr.
19:00.08Bagginswwshort, and plump, and amicable
19:00.25Bagginswwalthough my mom doesn't drink
19:00.41Bagginswwnor does she speak with a scottish accent
19:01.12BagginswwAlthough don't get on her bad side or all wrath breaks lose.
19:01.30Bagginswwjust like an angry dwarf
19:05.37Gourrais there a way to make an item page NOT reject the item name? I'm trying to give each of the ZG dolls a page but if I just type in "Punctured Voodoo Doll" it won't accept, but only if I write the class afterwards
19:06.13winkillerdefine "accept"
19:06.34BagginswwAmen to that
19:07.14Gourrawinkillar: [[Punctured Voodoo Doll (Priest)]]
19:07.43Gourrait won't put it on the right unless I write in "Punctured Voodoo Doll (Priest)"
19:07.57Gourrawinkiller* sigh
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19:09.28Bagginswwoh ya speaking of Voodoo, it has a real world definition right? hmm must add that to the Zandali translation list
19:09.53KeolahStay away from the voodoo!
19:10.25Gourra"Voodoo is a religious tradition originating in West Africa, which became prominent in the New World due to the importation of African slaves. West African Vodun is the original form of the religion; Haitian Vodou and Louisiana Voodoo are its descendants in the New World."
19:11.03BagginswwI was going to go more for a dictionary defnition than encyclopedic ;)
19:11.13Bagginswwthat kind of info can be a footnote in the voodoo article itself :p
19:11.34Gourraah sec
19:11.36Bagginswwpossibly a direct translation
19:11.38Bagginswwof the word itself
19:11.50Bagginswwrather than the history of hte word
19:12.18Bagginswwthere are a handful of troll terms I need to add from the rpg that have real world definitions
19:12.21Bagginswwlike Zuvembi
19:12.32BagginswwI just added Mojo
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19:13.15winkillerGourra: it's also smaller tooltiip, I suspect the template got changed.. weird
19:13.27Gourra"1.Also, vodun. a polytheistic religion practiced chiefly by West Indians, deriving principally from African cult worship and containing elements borrowed from the Catholic religion."
19:14.02Gourrathat's the closest I can come :p
19:14.53Gourraoh or "2. (Haiti) followers of a religion that involves witchcraft and animistic deities "
19:15.10Gourraanimistic deities = loa?
19:15.18Gourrahmm hmm
19:15.57Bagginswwya loa are from the real world :)
19:16.00[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
19:16.13Bagginswwnotice most of the loa we have heard off in the RPG are real world loa beliefs
19:17.11Bagginswwoh can someone get me a good picture of the sign from the [[Temple of Boom]]?
19:17.26Bagginswwactually I don't think we have an article for the Temple of Boom
19:17.30winkillerLegba and Samedi are also in neuromancer :P
19:17.35GourraTemple of Boom?
19:17.50Bagginswwbut its one of the goblin market designs in Warcraft III
19:17.56Bagginswwits a good example of arabic common
19:18.13BagginswwI.e. uses the arabic alphabet
19:18.54GourraI'll boot up and take a screenshot
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19:27.50GourraBagginsww: you mean the mercenary camp that looks like an observatory and has a sign, or the market place with ladders?
19:28.09Bagginswwthe one that specifically says Temple of Boom in big red letters as I recall
19:28.16Bagginswwits a goblin market
19:28.21Bagginswwnot sure what type
19:28.24Sandwichman2448The merc camp looked like a walled tent.
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19:28.33Gourraah that one
19:28.35Bagginswwbtw we probably need pictures of both
19:28.37Gourrawith skulls on the front
19:28.43Bagginswwwe don't have mercenary camp article yet
19:28.58Sandwichman2448We have pics of it.
19:29.02Bagginswwoh good
19:29.07Bagginswwjust not hte article?
19:29.30Bagginswwanycase I mostly just need as large a version of the sign as you can get
19:29.42Bagginswwfrom as much of a side view as possible
19:30.01Bagginswwwithout ripping into the textures LOL
19:30.15Bagginswwunless you are capable of doing that ;)
19:30.25Gourra"Goblin Laboratory"?
19:30.28Gourrain the game files
19:30.38Gourra"Brush: Units - Goblin Laboratory"
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19:33.06Gourrasec I'll link
19:34.22Bagginswwsweet go ahead and upload that to wowwwiki
19:34.30Bagginswwand if you find a way to extract just that texture let me know
19:35.55Gourrauploaded to Image:TempleofBoom.jpg
19:37.13[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Jeff Kaplan reveals how to get to Northrend -
19:38.06Sandwichman2448At last!
19:38.52Sandwichman2448NVM we knew that.
19:39.14Sandwichman2448just about the two zones in the stead of one.
19:39.28DottedFisker- why is TF2 still so freakin unstable that you are suprised it isnt in alpha state anymore?
19:41.49Bagginswwhow's that?
19:45.28[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 7293 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 2hrs 1min 33secs.
19:47.35Fisker-Dotted it's not unstable
19:47.37Fisker-you just suck
19:48.12Sandwichman2448[[Justice Keep]]
19:48.12[NewsBot]Sandwichman2448 meant:
19:48.37PzykIs that the home of the Justice League?
19:48.59Dottedwhen ever i start TF2 i have to ctrl+alt+del to task manager and use that to be able to keep focus on TF2, else it just keeps flashing between TF2 and desktop
19:49.09Dottedif it didnt crash that is
19:49.36Gourraugh..going through wc3 unit textures is like dissecting corpses
19:49.38Sandwichman2448I got a new tidbit.
19:49.44Sandwichman2448Of info.
19:49.57Sandwichman2448New leader there.
19:50.10Sandwichman2448Unless WoWInsider is stupid.
19:52.08Gourrahm just noticed that a Battlenet texture in wc3 looks familiar to the LFG icon in WoW
19:54.35Bagginswwpoint of note I think we need to take out thondroril off that list
19:54.40Bagginswwit may be thallasian
19:54.46Bagginswwits unclear
19:55.07Bagginswwdisecting corpses, LOL
19:56.10GourraBagginsww: found image from textures file, want to see it?
19:56.24Bagginswwya does it look good or is it blurred?
19:56.30Gourragood, but small
19:56.47Gourraslow imageshack is slow
19:58.18Fisker-your computer sux then Dotted :o
19:58.18Dotted(CPU1) Intel Core2 Duo CPU E6850 @ 3.00GHz @ 2000MHz (Gigabyte Technology Co., Ltd. G33M-DS2R mainboard) (RAM) 4GB, 1.9GB free (HDDs) 1.05TB, 140GB free
19:58.18Dotted(VGA1) NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GT (512MB), 1680x1050x32, 59Hz (OS) Microsoft Windows Vista Ultimate (SP1), 13h 46m uptime, 2d 11h 10m 21s uptime record
19:59.18DottedFisker- all other source games doesnt have those probs tho
19:59.22Gourragot it Bagginsww?
19:59.29Bagginswwya so we just need to stretch it some
19:59.43Bagginswwto whatever resolution you were using in game ;)
19:59.56Bagginswwand somehow apply smoothing, :)
20:00.01Fisker-that's because you don't know what you be talking about yarr Dotted
20:00.31Dottedif you did, you'd know exactly why i have these problems - so we are in the same boat really
20:01.15Fisker-i need poop :O
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20:01.48Dottedalso Fisker-
20:01.57Dottednvidia sucks at drivers
20:02.06KirkburnWell, isn't it fun when admins have to cheat to win at TF2
20:02.17Dottedplay on a decent server
20:02.20KirkburnDotted, lol, what?
20:02.30KirkburnnV did once suck, but they don't atm
20:02.30DottedKirkburn, lol, what?
20:02.36Fisker-there's some retarded servers as well :D
20:02.37Dottedoh yes they do
20:02.41KirkburnHow so?
20:02.44Fisker-there was this server where you could pay for a premium membership
20:02.53Fisker-and you'd have unlimited ammo, get hp when killing people and so forth
20:03.05GourraBagginsww: by smoothing you mean ?
20:03.14Dottedi have to use some leaked old beta driver to get decent performance from my 8800GT
20:03.17Fisker-moo: gfx: NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512 512MB
20:03.22Sandwichman2448Team fortress?
20:03.25Bagginswwhide pixels
20:03.37Bagginswwalpha blending or whatever its called
20:03.37Sandwichman2448I have that.
20:03.45KirkburnDotted, which driver, which game?
20:03.54Bagginswwalthough I probably recalled the wrong term :p
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20:04.08Dottedalso they had a annoying resume from standby bug that also reduced performance - they fixed that but i cant get the fix since i have to use this crappy old driver
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20:04.12KirkburnI have a 8800 GTS 256, and not having any problems
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20:04.59DottedKirkburn 167.26
20:05.37Dottedtrying the 169.25 hopefully they fixed it >_>
20:05.51KirkburnUsing those here
20:06.06Dottedi've tried all but that one all failed
20:06.18Fisker-lol Kirkburn :(
20:06.18Dottedso yeah nvidia are the suck
20:06.19Fisker-why not 512?
20:06.27KirkburnWasn't out
20:06.40Fisker-the 512 one was the only one out here
20:06.57KirkburnIs that so? Then, uh ... sec
20:07.27[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 8276 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 0secs.
20:07.34Kirkburn320 then
20:07.44Dottedhmm Fisker- one of the blades on the 8800GT fan have been bent, when i get to RMA it do you think SHG will let me have the new GTS?
20:08.06Dottedi know i have to pay the difference
20:08.13Dottedbut still
20:09.02Bagginsww someone doesn't know anything about formatting pages, :p
20:09.23Gourrayou mean the image?
20:09.35BagginswwI mean how all the text is below the infobox
20:09.44Bagginswwimage is probably causing the problem
20:09.49Gourrahm yeah
20:10.29Bagginswwnah its the tocright
20:10.50Bagginswwkills tocright :p
20:11.18Bagginswwstill have the problem
20:11.21Gourragrr beaten
20:11.23Bagginswwits the tocright causing it
20:11.27Bagginswwnot the image
20:11.39Bagginswwalthough the image may now be causing it
20:11.43GourraI'll see
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20:12.17Bagginswwya I think its the image this time around
20:12.27Bagginswwwe just need to move the image down or put it into a gallery
20:12.52Bagginswwor put ot to the "left" again
20:12.56[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 9081 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 2hrs 31mins 21secs.
20:13.21pcjall the text isn't below the infobox...
20:13.36Bagginswwit is on my moniotor
20:14.15Gourrait's not on mine
20:14.18Bagginswwi fixed the problem by moving the image to the left again
20:14.35Bagginswwthis is the problem with multiiple resolutions :p
20:14.46Bagginswwthings work for one resolution and don't for others :p
20:15.23GourraI'm on 1024x768
20:15.23BagginswwI usually test various resolution types to see what works best for all of them
20:16.23BagginswwI"m running 1280 x 800 on my laptop
20:16.29Gourraerm Bagginsww
20:16.33Gourrayou broke the : now
20:16.50Gourra"He starts the quest Neutral [60] In Dreams (Elite).
20:17.01Gourrasee the blank before "You"? it's not there now
20:17.18Gourraformat thingie, look at it
20:17.54Bagginswwok the only other thing to try is move that image way south
20:18.10Bagginswwthis is why I try to avoid "left"
20:18.26Bagginswwleft images screw up formating most of the time :p
20:18.44Gourrasee now
20:18.56Gourrashould probably resize the thumb now though
20:19.30Bagginswwok won't work at history section
20:19.48Dottedstill not fixed
20:19.48Bagginswwstill pushes text below the npcbox
20:19.52Dotted100 fps in 3dmark01 == fail
20:19.56BagginswwI'm doing review not editing
20:19.58Dottedback rgood ol' 167.26
20:20.00Bagginswwso yes it snot fixed, ;)
20:20.05Bagginswwoh your video card
20:20.21Gourrawell, I put the image under " Age Discrepancies" now
20:20.28Gourraunless we're not looking at the same thing
20:20.32Dottedtalking to me Bagginsww :o?
20:20.55Bagginswwage discrepencies will fix that problem i"m sure
20:21.04Bagginswwyep works fine now
20:21.05Gourrayeah I put it there
20:21.23Bagginswwoh ya npcbox
20:21.39Bagginswwreally wow information in the npc box should be in its own section
20:21.56Bagginswwseeing "level" mixed with the lore content is disconcerting
20:22.20BagginswwI'd recommend putting level up above the picture
20:22.27Bagginswwmuch like we did for the zonebox
20:22.32Gourraerm why ?
20:22.35Gourrathe same on Thrall
20:22.44Bagginswwits a template thing
20:22.54Bagginswwseperating lore from mechanics
20:23.13GourraThrall has mechanics AND lore is the same npcbox
20:23.20Gourrashould that be changed too?
20:23.31Bagginswwyou change the template it will fix it for all articles
20:23.49Bagginswwone fix fixes all :)
20:24.09Gourranoticed at [[Magni_Bronzebeard]]
20:24.38Bagginswwchange the template so that it places that information above the image
20:24.46Bagginswwand keep lore stuff below the image
20:25.40Gourrawell the level could be removed since it's already in the first sentence of the article
20:27.10BagginswwI agree there
20:27.29Bagginswwthe level section is part of the old npc template
20:27.44Bagginswwnpc template was usded mainly for characters with little to no lore
20:27.55pcjthe npcbox isn't to replace the article, it's to summarize the important points of the article
20:28.04Bagginswwwhich true
20:28.06pcjso if there's duplication it isn't a problem
20:28.08Bagginsww*which is true
20:28.17Bagginswwya I just suggest moving the level section to above the image
20:28.22Bagginswwlike we did for zonebox
20:28.43Bagginswwand anything else relating to game mechanics
20:29.08Gourraanyone who can see
20:29.48GourraI'm just getting a blank image
20:29.55Bagginswwworks for me
20:29.57pcjyeah it's there
20:41.07Bagginswwpoint of note something like class lore needs citations and checked for accuracy
20:41.15Bagginswwright now it is lacking in that department
20:41.40Bagginswwits also a bit broad, when we have more specific individual Race class pages.
20:41.42KeolahSoon... Soon! I shall have some nice pants.
20:41.50Bagginsww[[Mage races]]
20:41.51[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
20:42.47[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Insider Trader: A year in the making (err, crafting) -
20:45.16KeolahI'd like to thank uh, whoever it was who did the math to figure out how the hell much crap I needed for all this so I didn't have to do it myself :p
20:47.23BagginswwI'd like to brag that it wasn't me.
20:49.16KeolahI also feel like a complete dork for spending that much mithril on the quests so I can be an armorsmith :P
21:00.47Bagginsww :p
21:07.55Gourrayes just saw it
21:09.17Gourraand I won't take off my delete vote and change it to keep this time :p
21:09.45Gourraby the way, your sig is a bit big
21:13.46Bagginswwactually I could declare admin law on this, as it isn't breaking policies, and fits within policies, but its not so important as to resort to that.
21:15.09Bagginswwahh and just loaded your comment
21:16.00kd3I only ordered one copy of each of the boxsets. will I be getting 2?
21:16.26pcjtarget uses
21:16.33Bagginswwalso point of note a non warcraft ogg would probably be allowed if it was being utilized in a user's page for some reason
21:17.49Bagginswwor even if it relates to something on a talk page
21:18.44Gourrabut in case it wasn't, so if anything it would have been categorized as silly and/or getting linked from Shade of Aran
21:18.50Gourrathis case*
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21:19.49Bagginswwya and it should be added into shade of aran article in the instructions part, ; )
21:20.01Gourrahehe, yeah
21:20.02Bagginswwit would be helpful there too
21:20.35Bagginswwthat song brings back memories. there were always new raiders that never got the "do not move" part around
21:21.19BagginswwI mean I was a good listener myself and usually only had to hear instructions once. but there were those that had to die by flames to understand it :p
21:22.32Gourrawell the odd thing is that it's on the Shade of Aran page but it doesn't show in the Image page as being linked
21:23.46Gourraalso, the quest The Savage Guard could be split up to the three different quests; maybe unneccesary but it looks better
21:24.38Bagginswwsplit with a main disambig page?
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21:24.57Bagginswwwell I see no problem if you want to take it on yourself to do thta
21:25.06Gourraokay, thanks
21:25.33BagginswwI'd say keep the general lore analysas on the main page
21:25.42Bagginswwbut instructions on the seperate pages
21:26.04Bagginswwnote that many quest pages have lore synopses as of yet :p
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21:29.15KeolahWoohoo, an armorsmith is me! afk ;p
21:35.23foxlitis the wiki dead?
21:35.49kd3very slow saving pages.
21:36.16foxlitwonder what gives
21:36.47kd3dunno. if it stays like this for another few minutes I'm about to poke in #wikia and ask ops to take a look at the database
21:37.00Gourrait's been slow for a while
21:37.18pcjit's obviously the vertical templates
21:37.19foxlitwiki has no ops anyway
21:37.28Gourrain the timespace known has "soon" by blizzard
21:37.29kd3the ops team
21:37.36kd3not chanops
21:39.47Bagginswwya pcj obviously
21:40.04Bagginswwactually its probably all templats in general except infoboxes. Most templates are the devil ;)
21:40.17pcjBaggins: delete {{tooltip}} plz
21:40.23foxlitHas little to do with templates, really
21:40.47Bagginswwso that fandy can jump me?
21:40.49foxlitThey shouldn't play into performance once the page has been generated - and wiki is suffering from rather obscene load times lately
21:41.13Bagginswwits a joke foxlit ;)
21:41.31Gourraspeaking of templates, is Elinks-object worth a look? @ talk page
21:41.45Bagginswwwe have been complaining about verticle templates in village pump today.
21:41.59foxlitI know, I was being serious about something else :P
21:42.13foxlitThe idea that we did something horrible with templates isn't that foreign :P
21:44.00pcjThe only place where jobqueue is a problem is when fandy edits {{cost}} incorrectly 3 times and we still have pages looking wrong 4 days later
21:55.06Keolahalso, when is that annoying glitch where you can only see the first page of long categories going to be fixed? ;p
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21:55.59[NewsBot]pcj meant:
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21:57.11foxlitgot a category example?
21:58.12Bagginswwconteplates using level box to insert RPG levels just to annoy people ;)
21:59.09Bagginswwno one would understand rpg levels anyways They look lower than ingame levels, yet may be higher in comparison.
22:00.01BagginswwVan Cleef for example is probably a level 60ish character rpg wise where as he's a low level character in WoW
22:00.33Bagginswwhe's like level 16 in the rpg, and as I recall rpg has its levels basically between 1-20
22:00.41foxlitComparatively, what is onyxia?
22:00.42Bagginswwnot counting epic system
22:00.51Bagginswwshe's much higher than van cleef
22:01.00Bagginswwlet me check
22:01.29Bagginswwanything higher than level 20 is epic levels IIRC
22:01.45Bagginswwwhich there is no system for the WoWRPG as of yet
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22:02.26Bagginswwbasicaly int the rpg zones are all equal, there is no linear leveling system
22:02.39Bagginswwyou could have your story appearing in any area
22:02.48Bagginswwits what you encounter that can vary
22:03.06Bagginswwsome characters you wouldn't want to run into if your starting out, heh
22:03.24Bagginswwbut there would be weaklings in every area as well
22:04.08Bagginswwits a bit more realistic in that respect
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22:05.41Bagginswwalso in the RPG I think levels are a bit more exponential, or logorythmic
22:05.59foxlitwhich is it? :)
22:06.04Bagginswwnot sure
22:06.25Bagginswwjust that I'm pretty sure that each level is much higher than the previous in power
22:06.41Bagginswwso that someone who is level 2 is significally more powerful than someone that's level 1
22:06.51Bagginswwthus why there are only 20 main levels
22:07.14Bagginswwif it was additional it would make everything rather weak LOL
22:07.17foxlitlogarithmic growth slows down with increase
22:07.44BagginswwI'm thinking something along the lines of a richter scale
22:07.59foxlitStill exponential
22:08.17foxlitDrawn on logarithmic scale, though, to produce a straight line
22:08.58Bagginswwonyxia is level level 6 mage. But since she's a creature she doesn't really have normal level system
22:09.20Bagginswwcr 25
22:09.23Bagginswwchalleng rating
22:09.41Bagginswwnoting that challenge rating is imprecise way to compare two different invidivuals
22:09.59Bagginswwsince a healer may have a higher cr but not actually be dangerous
22:10.18Bagginswwjust harder to kill because they can keep healing themselves or others
22:10.41Bagginswwwhereas a melee may be more dangerous but die faster
22:10.47ecsugh, my guild needs it's own wiki
22:11.33Bagginswwand ony has the elite template which makes her more difficult than normal black dragon
22:12.18Bagginswwnefarion is level 15 warlock, elite dragon, same issues though because he's a creature rather than normal player race
22:12.48Bagginswwraces have "racial levels", only a few creatures have creature levels
22:13.15Bagginswwany creature that has creature classes are more or less just like races with race classes
22:14.13Bagginswwbeyond the weirdness of the idea of a class being a race or creature, I've thought about making articles related to that style of class, just to mention the related lore tied to the classes
22:14.45Bagginswwbut so far I've just limited class pages to more traditional profession like classes
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22:28.52BagginswwRagestorm and his archaeological trips. I'm so jealous, LOL
22:29.17BagginswwNow he's going to belize eh?
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22:31.00kd3belize is cool
22:31.13Bagginswwsomeday, I'll go there, I shall
22:31.59Bagginswwsigh yet another person trying to "remove references" to green eyes from high elves :p
22:32.16Bagginswwsorry you migh tnot see green eyed high elves in game but they exist in lore
22:33.01Bagginswwwell the thing is I'm tired of theoretical education. I really want to do some hands on stuff
22:33.10Bagginswwget out into the field
22:33.19Bagginswwtired of just learning about what others do
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22:33.59Bagginswwand amazon, south american, and precolubian anthropology/archaelogy really interests me heh
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22:35.30foxlitYay, crashed my bot. So totally worth it! :)
22:37.36Dottedrockstar on steam \o/
22:38.11Bagginswwguess I just need to point out that Alleria had green eyes
22:39.30Bagginswwalleria is a good example as she never was or became a blood elf ;)
22:43.26Bagginswwmade a few edits that should point out to people we mean business lol
22:44.18Bagginswwactually the section needs more cleanup
22:44.26BagginswwI notice its kind of repeating itself
22:44.29Bagginswwin three sections :p
22:44.35Bagginswwwe could drop two of those
22:44.43Bagginswwor rather one of them and reduce the other
22:44.53Bagginswwthe lore information, and wow mechanics information
22:45.11Bagginswwsecond paragrapha nd the last paragraph of the section are basically the same
22:47.00pcjfoxlit why did your bot miss the set
22:47.43foxlitOn the 21st of June?
22:48.48pcjDidn't we have something else for set back then though
22:49.58Bagginswwhmm play some more zelda or watch some of my mash dvds... tough choice :p
22:50.15Bagginswwman I love M*A*S*H
22:50.44foxlitThat's the first mention of set in tooltips :)
23:02.34pcjfoxlit: <3 {{item}} for finding problem item pages
23:02.55[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 6348 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1hr 45mins 48secs.
23:04.00BagginswwI believe I've improved it ;)
23:04.09Bagginswwnone of that silly debate speculation bit
23:04.12Bagginswwand just pure facts
23:05.03DuTempeteGrr... no foxbot :(
23:05.33DuTempeteisn't there a command to log it in when you're online, foxlit?
23:06.00foxlitNot since I stopped using mirc on windows
23:06.19foxlitAnyway, it's sitting and sulking in a corner over its shortcomings
23:06.36pcjThey are pretty short, aren't they
23:06.56DuTempetewell I was going to have it create some articles :P
23:07.28DuTempeteis it still running off of the update template on the wiki?
23:10.47pcjslllllllooooooooowww wiki
23:10.52[NewsBot]kd3 meant:<user>
23:11.05pcjdon't even need leading colon
23:12.51[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 6348 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 0secs.
23:17.28deltrondang wtf kinda jobs is it doing?
23:17.51pcjfolding envelopes
23:18.03pcjyou can make $10,000 a week doing that you know
23:19.16Gourra has been fixed to disambugation page
23:24.39Gourraadded in quest details
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23:27.14DuTempetewhy are we hugging me?
23:27.30FoxbotI don't know who you are, foxlit
23:27.56foxlit!i am foxlit
23:27.56FoxbotOkay, foxlit.
23:28.03FoxbotYou are foxlit, foxlit.
23:28.05pcj!i am not foxlit
23:28.06FoxbotOkay, pcj.
23:28.19FoxbotYou are not foxlit, pcj.
23:28.28pcj!i am brilliant
23:28.46FoxbotI don't know who you are, notpcj
23:29.14DuTempeteI went to put the template on the page, but dicovered the template is slightly broken... now I'm trying to loko up if functions on mediawiki :P
23:29.18DuTempeteso I can fix it :P
23:29.22FoxbotYou are foxlit, foxlit.
23:29.36DuTempete!i am Kirkburn's girlfriend
23:29.37FoxbotOkay, DuTempete.
23:29.57pcjits borked
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23:30.33FoxbotI don't know who you are, DuTempete
23:30.37FoxbotI don't know who you are, pcj
23:30.41DuTempeteit forgot :(
23:30.46pcj!I am pcj
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23:31.00pcj!I am pcj
23:31.09DuTempete!i am Kirkburn's girlfriend
23:31.09FoxbotOkay, DuTempete.
23:31.14pcj!i am pcj
23:31.15FoxbotOkay, pcj.
23:31.15FoxbotI don't know who you are, DuTempete
23:31.17FoxbotYou are pcj, pcj.
23:31.31pcj!whyami pcj
23:31.38deltronpcj: ah yeah the job queue seems important
23:32.01FoxbotI don't know who you are, DuTempete
23:32.16DuTempeteI don't think it likes the space character, foxlit :P
23:32.37DuTempete!i am Kirkburn's
23:32.37FoxbotOkay, DuTempete.
23:32.42FoxbotYou are Kirkburn's, DuTempete.
23:33.33DuTempeteIf he weren't getting ready for his trip to see me, I'd make him log back in so he could see that :P
23:36.02DuTempetewell, I'm going back to plastering the laundry room...
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23:41.49foxlit!forget me
23:42.15foxlit!forget me
23:43.01foxlit!forget me
23:43.01FoxbotOkay, foxlit.
23:43.05pcj!forget you
23:43.18foxlitThe idea, then, is that it tracks the value across nick changes
23:43.20foxlit!i am foxlit
23:43.21FoxbotOkay, foxlit.
23:43.25FoxbotYou are foxlit, notpcj.
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23:46.23pcj!whois foxlit
23:47.40pcj!editcount pcj
23:49.37Foxbotpcj made 22484 edits, of which 20318 were minor and 12669 were commented.
23:50.10Gourra!editcount Gourra
23:50.17FoxbotGourra made 1485 edits, of which 529 were minor and 459 were commented.
23:54.50GourraI don't get it.. why is the item box to the left at but to the right at
23:55.08Gourrasame format in both articles
23:57.19GourraI think it has something with that you've edited it, because it's fixed after you did that
23:57.36pcjI fixed it
23:59.05[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 5682 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1hr 34mins 42secs.
23:59.49Gourrahmm that's odd, I recall that it was to the right when the first char in the class text was lower case
23:59.52Gourrathanks anyway

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