| 00:00.20 | Bagginsww | and 18 or 24 being when he joins orgrim and becomes Warchief upon his death. |
| 00:00.43 | pcj | he's 16 in the CoT instance? |
| 00:01.03 | Bagginsww | No that's 16 years after dark portal |
| 00:01.07 | Zeal | so wow.com contradicts itself, as the new horde, which happens after LotC takes place 10 years after. |
| 00:01.11 | pcj | ah |
| 00:01.16 | Zeal | acorrding to wow.com that is. |
| 00:01.39 | Bagginsww | as for his age, I'd have to go check for references to about the time he was when his parents were killed |
| 00:01.43 | Bagginsww | a couple of timelines mention that |
| 00:01.50 | Bagginsww | but not all of them |
| 00:02.02 | Bagginsww | bbl |
| 00:02.28 | pcj | Is Thrall past puberty? Find out next time on Stump the Lore Admin! |
| 00:02.31 | Zeal | well pretty much everything from 10-20 would need to be moved if LotC gets moved. as they all happen after it and before RoC |
| 00:03.11 | Zeal | yeah, they've all been given mroe fixed dates which predate where LotC would want to go. |
| 00:03.38 | Bagginsww | LoC had the most break down of his life date by date |
| 00:04.28 | Zeal | but comparitively outdated |
| 00:04.36 | Bagginsww | I think it said his parents died 2 years after the portal was opened |
| 00:04.47 | Bagginsww | well zeal LoC one is a mixture |
| 00:05.02 | Zeal | looking mainly at TBC/Wow.com vs. everything else for all in the range 10-20 |
| 00:05.11 | Bagginsww | wow.com is the worst |
| 00:05.26 | Bagginsww | LoC is essentially like WoW.coms for most dates post portal |
| 00:05.46 | Bagginsww | where as TBC one is more in line with the WoWRPG/Player's Guides |
| 00:06.17 | Bagginsww | that's why LoC has the 18 after day like WoW.com |
| 00:06.28 | Bagginsww | where as other timelines have the 23/24ish date |
| 00:06.33 | Bagginsww | for end of LotC |
| 00:06.41 | Bagginsww | we can discuss this when I get back |
| 00:07.03 | Zeal | well it it's currently a span of 10 years |
| 00:07.13 | Zeal | but that could be extended as long as nothing conflicts |
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| 00:07.36 | Zeal | the fact its not extended, makes me thing we found such a conflict |
| 00:17.19 | Zeal | hm.. ok, based LoC's seperation of events in LotC, and the statement in the New Horde, thrall was 18 @ 14 AP |
| 00:17.46 | Zeal | which means LotC would takes place before the portal was even opened. |
| 00:17.49 | Zeal | gg Blizz |
| 00:36.06 | Adys|xmas | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBRV7wGt3jU |
| 00:36.09 | Adys|xmas | NEEDS to be seen |
| 00:36.23 | sacarasc | it's not living, it has no needs |
| 00:39.18 | Zeal | I jsut need to restablish Thralls time of birth, and i think i settle the retcons and still keep him at a believable age without screwing up the timing of other events. |
| 00:39.26 | Zeal | *i can settle |
| 00:49.27 | Zeal | nvm, not possible any which way for thrall to have been 18 when he was fighting. |
| 00:49.46 | Zeal | all timelines make it impossible to be. |
| 00:50.01 | Zeal | so i think i'll jsut ignore that stupidty. |
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| 01:05.35 | Yeppy | merry christmas peeps |
| 01:05.49 | foxlit | early :) |
| 01:06.45 | sacarasc | and you missed Eid in the past week |
| 01:06.52 | sacarasc | Diwali a few weeks ago |
| 01:06.54 | sacarasc | etc |
| 01:07.01 | Yeppy | aye but unlikely i on christmas day |
| 01:07.24 | Bagginsww | zeal amusingly there are two "new horde"s |
| 01:07.32 | MistleTempe-gf | Merry Christmas Yeppy |
| 01:07.37 | Yeppy | opened my 5ltre keb barrel too early, needs to be drunk in 24hrs |
| 01:07.41 | Yeppy | keg* |
| 01:07.49 | Yeppy | its great on the desk :D |
| 01:07.52 | MistleTempe-gf | And a Merry Christmas to your sheep as well. |
| 01:08.07 | Yeppy | oooh they'll be getting a special present from me ;) |
| 01:08.30 | Yeppy | i migfht actualy leave them alone |
| 01:08.32 | MistleTempe-gf | Darnit, kirky would have appreciated that joke. :( |
| 01:09.42 | Yeppy | Life Aquatic with Steve Zissou is an awesome film |
| 01:09.53 | MistleTempe-gf | Yes, yes it is :) |
| 01:09.57 | Yeppy | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0yucFw3qCQ bill murrey all the way |
| 01:10.02 | Yeppy | only saw it yesterday |
| 01:10.07 | MistleTempe-gf | D'oh |
| 01:10.12 | Yeppy | listening to soundtrack, its cheesy but good |
| 01:10.14 | MistleTempe-gf | Have you seen the other movies by that director? |
| 01:10.22 | Zeal | Baggins, huh? |
| 01:10.26 | MistleTempe-gf | Definitely some good stuff. |
| 01:10.35 | Yeppy | no, but i interested.. loved the editing.. loved the style |
| 01:11.42 | Zeal | *Bagginsww |
| 01:12.51 | Bagginsww | yes? |
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| 01:13.13 | Zeal | whats the second one? |
| 01:13.24 | Zeal | and i jsut replied to the talk and updated my version of the timeline |
| 01:13.38 | Zeal | it's mostly based on LoC/WoWRPG |
| 01:14.36 | Bagginsww | [[new horde]] |
| 01:14.37 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/new_horde |
| 01:15.28 | Bagginsww | btw The New Horde has its own built in timeline? |
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| 01:15.38 | Zeal | well that disambig is wrong. the first two are factions not historical points. |
| 01:15.45 | Bagginsww | I'll have to read it and make another page :p |
| 01:16.03 | Bagginsww | zeal the problem is they aren't factions |
| 01:16.12 | Zeal | no, it just states he found thrall as an infant 18 years before thrall was fighting for him. |
| 01:16.21 | Zeal | which is impossible. |
| 01:16.22 | Bagginsww | read [[history of the horde]] |
| 01:16.30 | Bagginsww | [[History of the Horde |
| 01:16.37 | Bagginsww | [[History of the Horde]] |
| 01:16.37 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/History_of_the_Horde |
| 01:17.01 | Bagginsww | basically new and old horde discuss differences in ideals in the history of the same horde |
| 01:17.12 | Bagginsww | but its always been the 'same faction' |
| 01:17.32 | Zeal | didn't say they were different factions, just that they are factions |
| 01:17.47 | Bagginsww | a single faction is not a "factions" |
| 01:17.54 | Zeal | well the third is a name of a book recording historical events, and the 4th is a quest. |
| 01:18.12 | Zeal | no, but when they are listed seperate they are factions |
| 01:18.23 | Zeal | why would i use singular for two entities? |
| 01:18.43 | Bagginsww | my point is according to History of the HOrde its all the same faction |
| 01:18.49 | Bagginsww | there aren't "factions" |
| 01:18.52 | curse | old horde ftw, "new age yuppie" thrall sucks |
| 01:18.55 | Bagginsww | its always been the Horde |
| 01:18.55 | curse | (?) |
| 01:19.50 | Zeal | baggins, completely irrelevent, dunno why you're arguing over context of a plural. all i'm saying is the disambig says they historical points, which they're not. |
| 01:20.00 | Zeal | *they're |
| 01:20.15 | Bagginsww | Horde and "new Horde" are used interchangeably as is Horde and the one reference to Old horde in LoTC |
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| 01:20.28 | Bagginsww | thrall describes the history of the horde. |
| 01:20.31 | Bagginsww | its not a faction term |
| 01:20.32 | Zeal | double ... |
| 01:20.50 | Zeal | <3 fandy |
| 01:21.18 | Bagginsww | infact it is a 'historical" point in history. HPG discusses the change in horde politics historically |
| 01:21.23 | Zeal | Baggins, not gunna even bother to continue, clearly not even reading the the same book, let alone same page :p |
| 01:21.29 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 01:22.02 | Zeal | either way, nothing to do with the timeline discussion really. |
| 01:22.44 | Bagginsww | ye |
| 01:23.16 | Bagginsww | anycase, another timelnie that got hit badly was age of Grom, and ages given for characters in Metzen's novel ;p |
| 01:23.27 | Zeal | no suprise |
| 01:23.47 | Bagginsww | I think Metzen's novel was based on the old rts timeline |
| 01:24.05 | Bagginsww | only way Taelen's age and his son's fit |
| 01:24.26 | Zeal | i wouldn't be surpised if i bothered to look, i'd find jaina and kael had something going on when they were toddlers. lol |
| 01:25.04 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 01:25.29 | Bagginsww | Ya I warned you how bad it was when we first met heh heh |
| 01:25.46 | Bagginsww | thus why I hate bringing up timeline at all :p |
| 01:25.47 | Zeal | hehe |
| 01:25.56 | Zeal | it's a challange |
| 01:26.08 | Bagginsww | at least people now can compare how bad it is heh |
| 01:27.44 | Zeal | Back to charmed! Gotta restart the ep, forgot wtf happened after leaving it paused so long. :p |
| 01:29.47 | pcj | charmed? i'm sure |
| 01:31.53 | Bagginsww | so zeal, if we look at the wrpg and use the 18 age for thrall, he would have been kidnapped 4 years after the portal opened |
| 01:32.05 | Bagginsww | that's in the middle of the first war |
| 01:32.07 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 01:32.28 | Zeal | indeed, which i had to doubel check LotC to make sure it was definitely not possible :p |
| 01:32.52 | Bagginsww | and if you use the 18 year after dates, he would have been kidnapped the year the portal was opened LOL |
| 01:33.25 | Zeal | yuup |
| 01:34.09 | Zeal | and some other date put it even before the portal opened. fun fun |
| 01:34.55 | Bagginsww | well the math in LoC fits the 18 age thrall exactly |
| 01:35.07 | Bagginsww | it has the end at LoTC at 20 after |
| 01:35.19 | Bagginsww | and has his kidnapping at 2 years after the portal |
| 01:35.31 | Bagginsww | but that's still during the first war |
| 01:35.55 | Bagginsww | the timeline is pretty specific that the event occured during the first war :p |
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| 01:36.16 | Zeal | yes he was kidnapped post second war, which if you add on 18, it happens after RoC ;) |
| 01:36.21 | Zeal | *yet |
| 01:36.46 | Bagginsww | well LoC had him kidnapped during the first war specifically, but other sources imply it was during the second war |
| 01:37.21 | Bagginsww | I could probalby find some more dates outside the timeline in Brann's writings if I went to check btw |
| 01:37.28 | Bagginsww | we should see how those screw things up further ;) |
| 01:37.29 | Zeal | hm.. i didn't see that |
| 01:37.53 | Bagginsww | ya zeal in LoC timeline it has his kidnapping occuring before medivh's death |
| 01:38.05 | Zeal | how the hell? from the description in LotC, chapter one, it's post-second war, not post-first. |
| 01:38.19 | Bagginsww | who knows... LOL |
| 01:38.21 | Zeal | atleast thats what i got. |
| 01:38.26 | Bagginsww | I think someone was just tyring ot fit int eh 18 year date |
| 01:38.32 | Zeal | perhaps |
| 01:38.34 | Bagginsww | that was specifically stated in the The New Horde |
| 01:38.45 | Bagginsww | The New Horde has been online pre-loc release |
| 01:38.54 | Bagginsww | a version of it was in the War 3 manual? |
| 01:39.12 | Zeal | perhaps, none of thme were in my wc3 manual, never did get that. |
| 01:39.26 | Bagginsww | zeal but ya I'll see if I can find some more references to his kidnapping/age/date outside of the timelines |
| 01:39.42 | Bagginsww | brann often gave other dates that he didnt' put specifically on the timelines |
| 01:39.53 | Bagginsww | and they tended to cause even more problems LOL |
| 01:40.25 | Bagginsww | well zeal its confusing some of the History of Wardcraft is directly from the manual, but some of its additions |
| 01:40.56 | Zeal | i just meant that i discovered for seemingly no reason, certain copies of wc3 had no history section |
| 01:41.24 | Bagginsww | hmm |
| 01:41.57 | Bagginsww | but ya I really need to add all other references to time in the books for completeness sakes |
| 01:41.59 | Bagginsww | *sake |
| 01:42.13 | Bagginsww | some of brann's guestimates are wildly funny |
| 01:42.34 | Zeal | <3 brann |
| 01:42.53 | Zeal | i never saw his journal thingy in the early days of wow btw |
| 01:43.43 | Bagginsww | I don't think I did either |
| 01:43.46 | Zeal | is that even replicated anywhere on ww, because the archive versions of it don't make for easy viewing considering it's scripted and it bugged to hell. |
| 01:44.09 | Bagginsww | I put it on [[Journal of Brann]] |
| 01:44.12 | Zeal | could probably get some of it. |
| 01:44.17 | Zeal | ah |
| 01:44.26 | Bagginsww | its a sublink under his main page |
| 01:45.04 | Zeal | coolies, ty. |
| 01:45.12 | Zeal | knew i was missing that |
| 01:46.59 | Bagginsww | We should create spinoff pages to the timelines, that discuss individual character timelines and how screwd they are ;) |
| 01:47.14 | Bagginsww | I mean for characters that have been given specific dating references |
| 01:47.30 | Bagginsww | like ages, timeline notes, etc |
| 01:48.55 | Zeal | would be funky, sorta speculative analysis articles i envisioned existing under a better specualtion policy. |
| 01:49.05 | Zeal | *the sort of |
| 01:50.15 | Bagginsww | well we have a partial one for grom on his page |
| 01:50.24 | Bagginsww | [[Grom Hellscream]] |
| 01:50.24 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Grom_Hellscream |
| 01:50.30 | Bagginsww | towards the bottom |
| 01:50.43 | Bagginsww | but it might be nice to make it its own timeline page |
| 01:50.49 | Bagginsww | and get some direct quotes |
| 01:51.05 | Bagginsww | showing the flaws that have arisen thanks to the various timelines |
| 01:55.02 | Sky2042_afk | first block. woohoo! |
| 01:55.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:55.33 | Sky2042_afk | and now I'm going away again. last minute xmas + dinner. |
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| 02:02.55 | flutterboard | hello |
| 02:03.32 | flutterboard | first time caller long time listener |
| 02:03.41 | Zeal | lol, hey |
| 02:04.06 | flutterboard | whts happening |
| 02:04.56 | Zeal | the world is round, break news apparently. |
| 02:05.51 | flutterboard | you know i had always had a hunch about that |
| 02:06.03 | Zeal | :p |
| 02:08.26 | flutterboard | ah well, better go and find some murlocs for tea |
| 02:11.00 | MistleTempe-gf | Awwww... I think Fandy cried. :( |
| 02:11.14 | MistleTempe-gf | [[User talk:Fandyllic]] |
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| 02:12.53 | MistleTempe-gf | and christmast dinner already Sky2042_afk? |
| 02:13.59 | MistleTempe-gf | I should have added "If they don't melt" to the servers comment... that would ahve been funnier. |
| 02:19.08 | Zeal | :p |
| 02:19.54 | MistleTempe-gf | I still think Fandy needs to join IRC. Sooooooo much fun! |
| 02:20.34 | Zeal | i foresee abusing him :p |
| 02:25.21 | pcj | dutempete would make a better "good cop" in a "good cop/bad cop" scenario |
| 02:25.48 | pcj | of course, you could combined the dominatrix idea with the cop idea and it would be really kinky |
| 02:29.09 | Zeal | she'd make a better bad cop playing good cop. I'm sure there are nasty intents behind her otherwise nice demeanor :p |
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| 02:39.31 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Timeline_%28Lands_of_Conflict%29 |
| 02:39.39 | Bagginsww | zeal brann's and others guestimates |
| 02:39.48 | Zeal | kk |
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| 02:42.05 | Bagginsww | I should note, that one of those dates comes from Governor of Duskwood, another from a goblin who experienced Day of the Dragon, and another is Tiron fordring himself |
| 02:42.45 | Bagginsww | 300 date appears to originates from another dwarven historian other than Brann, but he uses the date himself. |
| 02:43.55 | Bagginsww | there are more dates in the second half of the book but I'll add them later |
| 02:44.03 | Zeal | cool, ty |
| 02:45.19 | MistleTempe-gf | damnit, I didn't mean to miss that talking about me zeal/pcj |
| 02:45.26 | MistleTempe-gf | I was finishing my cupcakes |
| 02:45.30 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:45.37 | MistleTempe-gf | nomnomnom yellow cake w/ honey! |
| 02:45.37 | pcj | lol |
| 02:45.50 | Zeal | as long as they were good ones, i can fogive you :P |
| 02:46.02 | MistleTempe-gf | I had a tremendous urge for sweets, so I made cupcakes :P |
| 02:46.12 | MistleTempe-gf | But didn't have enough butter and milk for chocolate frosting :( |
| 02:47.05 | MistleTempe-gf | But I like the honey topping! |
| 02:47.32 | MistleTempe-gf | And I think Zeal has it better, unfortunately, pcj. |
| 02:47.43 | Zeal | haha |
| 02:47.52 | pcj | dang |
| 02:48.20 | MistleTempe-gf | Kirk calls me a dominatrix for a reason :P |
| 02:48.28 | MistleTempe-gf | I'm just being coy with Fandy :P |
| 02:48.54 | Zeal | so that makes kirk the sub? |
| 02:49.10 | MistleTempe-gf | Most of the time :P |
| 02:49.23 | MistleTempe-gf | But, mostly, I'm a switch. :P |
| 02:49.23 | Zeal | dammit, where's Kalroth when you need him. |
| 02:49.37 | MistleTempe-gf | So, I'm training Kirk :P |
| 02:49.37 | Zeal | ah, i know a switch too. |
| 02:50.13 | MistleTempe-gf | Kirk is just so darned nice, though. It's hard work. |
| 02:50.55 | Zeal | none of it's for me anyways, equal pegging with both giving and taking whenever :P |
| 02:51.21 | MistleTempe-gf | hehehe |
| 02:52.05 | MistleTempe-gf | I think pcj is lost :P |
| 02:52.23 | pcj | what |
| 02:52.27 | Zeal | hehe |
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| 02:53.41 | MistleTempe-gf | well, I think it's past my bed time. |
| 02:53.45 | Bagginsww | Zeal if there are any non date references to say Thrall, but ties it to an event, such as before second or after second war I'll let you know |
| 02:54.07 | Zeal | yeah, i'll be keeping an eye out too, ty. |
| 02:55.16 | MistleTempe-gf | Mebbe tomorrow I'll play some of my birthday/christmas presents from Kirkburn... Yay computer games! |
| 02:55.29 | Zeal | nn MistleTempe-gf. It seems to me female switches typicall attract sub men and end up doms anyways :p the training doesn't often manage to turn them ;) |
| 02:55.42 | MistleTempe-gf | lol |
| 02:56.33 | MistleTempe-gf | You know far too much about this for em to continue discussing it with you :P |
| 02:56.59 | MistleTempe-gf | Anyway, I'm talking mostly personality-wise ;) |
| 02:57.09 | MistleTempe-gf | Nor am I entirely serious. :P |
| 02:57.22 | Zeal | haha. i know, me too, but the personality carries over most of the time :p |
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| 03:10.42 | Zeal | i'm gunna get myself to bed too. nn all |
| 03:13.49 | curse | i cant find the w3 campaign of thrall scape from durnholde |
| 03:14.02 | curse | someone have they? |
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| 06:19.21 | Yeppy | yesh? |
| 06:19.38 | Yeppy | oops |
| 06:19.39 | Yeppy | lol |
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| 06:28.59 | bestinha | Is there any1 very familiar with Macros that can give me a hand? |
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| 06:29.28 | bestinha | ok thank you |
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| 07:22.55 | Sky2042_ | hmm |
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| 07:28.34 | Sky2042_ | finally finished cleaning up after baggins's deletes |
| 07:31.24 | Lukian | hehe |
| 07:36.15 | Sky2042_ | damn job queue |
| 07:37.29 | Sky2042_ | uh oh |
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| 07:55.46 | Bagginsww | what's up sky? |
| 07:57.00 | Sky2042_ | nothin. i think i hit a page where you needed poking for, but i don't remember which. |
| 07:57.12 | Sky2042_ | in the meantime, please fix the articles before deleting the redirects :( |
| 07:57.49 | Bagginsww | hmm I don't delete many redirects, though I need to be careful that there aren't alot of bad redirects :p |
| 07:58.45 | Sky2042_ | yeah.. you deleted a slew of articles related to the missions: http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=delete&user=baggins&page= |
| 07:58.54 | Bagginsww | deleted? |
| 07:58.56 | Bagginsww | I moved them |
| 07:59.13 | Sky2042_ | and deleted them yesterday |
| 07:59.59 | Sky2042_ | anyway, all fixed now. |
| 08:00.12 | Sky2042_ | there are a couple more out there i just put on watch, in case you do that again. :P |
| 08:00.52 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 08:01.12 | Bagginsww | well hopefully we don't get people making up names again ;p |
| 08:01.36 | Bagginsww | they are so hard to track |
| 08:04.23 | Sky2042_ | gah |
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| 08:50.15 | Sky2042_ | hmm. wonder how much I've deleted in the past 19 hours |
| 08:51.18 | Sky2042_ | 220 |
| 08:51.20 | Sky2042_ | give or take |
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| 13:07.09 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Breakfast Topic: Help a newbie! - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/12/24/breakfast-topic-help-a-newbie/ |
| 13:09.55 | |Pixel| | oO |
| 13:10.04 | |Pixel| | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mounts#Purchasing_other_mounts <-- taurens can ride talbuks ? :P |
| 13:13.41 | MistleTempe-gf | omfsm, the poor talbuks :( |
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| 13:32.54 | MistleTempe-gf | kd3, we've hijacked ==cost== on Fandy's page... |
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| 13:48.30 | MistleTempe-gf | pcj, you there? |
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| 14:01.24 | winkiller | yes they can |
| 14:02.57 | MistleTempe-gf | EEK! |
| 14:03.02 | MistleTempe-gf | IT'S KIRKBURN! |
| 14:03.15 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 14:03.15 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: The Twelve Days of Winter Veil: Day ten - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/12/24/the-twelve-days-of-winter-veil-day-ten/ |
| 14:03.27 | Fisker- | SURPRISE KISS |
| 14:03.27 | Kirkburn | Hello MistleTempe-gf :P |
| 14:03.35 | MistleTempe-gf | hehe |
| 14:03.39 | Fisker- | ownt |
| 14:03.43 | MistleTempe-gf | <insert dog smiley> Kirkburn! |
| 14:03.58 | Kirkburn | <insert kitty smiley> MistleTempe-gf |
| 14:04.13 | Fisker- | <insert frog smiley> Kirkburn & MistleTempe-gf |
| 14:04.46 | MistleTempe-gf | D'oh |
| 14:04.47 | pcj | hi MistleTempe-gf |
| 14:04.51 | MistleTempe-gf | hi pcj! |
| 14:05.00 | Kirkburn | Fisker-, I want toad! |
| 14:05.05 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:05.08 | Fisker- | toad smiley then |
| 14:05.22 | MistleTempe-gf | pcj, I was wondering if you have a specials page link that checks on new users for your welcoming committee stuff? |
| 14:06.13 | pcj | no... |
| 14:06.36 | Fisker- | lulz awesome |
| 14:06.47 | Fisker- | some couple were trying to sell their 2 month old baby for 30$ |
| 14:06.47 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 14:06.50 | MistleTempe-gf | um, yikes, do you just surf the RC for new people? |
| 14:08.03 | MistleTempe-gf | we really ought to have a page that queries new users :( |
| 14:08.27 | pcj | If I see someone making edits in the Main namespace with a red talk page, I check their contribs and welcome them |
| 14:09.00 | MistleTempe-gf | hehe |
| 14:09.53 | MistleTempe-gf | Kirkburn... what I told Fandy in ==Problems with skins== on the VP - is that correct? |
| 14:13.47 | pcj | shouldn't it be Kirkburn-bf |
| 14:16.28 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 14:16.34 | Kirkburn | MistleTempe-gf, correct indeed :) |
| 14:16.52 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | :O |
| 14:17.18 | MistleTempe-gf | hehe |
| 14:17.37 | Fisker- | hey Kirkbrrrr-bf |
| 14:17.44 | Fisker- | YOU'RE UNDER THE MISTLETOE RAWR |
| 14:17.50 | Fisker- | RAWR |
| 14:17.54 | Fisker- | i was first |
| 14:18.09 | MistleTempe-gf | no, I got the first kiss :P |
| 14:18.12 | MistleTempe-gf | You just didn't see it. |
| 14:18.19 | Fisker- | :< |
| 14:18.24 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Also, she is the mistletoe ... |
| 14:18.26 | MistleTempe-gf | And I got the kiss back :P |
| 14:18.31 | MistleTempe-gf | hehe |
| 14:18.48 | pcj | [[Curator downed 14/12/07]] is the best article ever |
| 14:18.49 | [NewsBot] | pcj meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Curator_downed_14/12/07 |
| 14:19.08 | MistleTempe-gf | Okies, I'm gonna bring this up to you folks before I post it on the VP... |
| 14:19.35 | MistleTempe-gf | lol wtf... |
| 14:20.54 | pcj | you might want to be more specific when you post the "wtf" part on the VP |
| 14:21.02 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | hahaha |
| 14:21.12 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Btw, V3 of Quartz is underway |
| 14:21.45 | MistleTempe-gf | Yeah, so my VP thing |
| 14:21.50 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | They're in mockups stage, but the main thing is smaller sidebar, on the left and a design more akin to monobook |
| 14:22.03 | MistleTempe-gf | I was thinking of starting project pages for each class. |
| 14:22.08 | MistleTempe-gf | YAY SMALLER SIDEBAR! |
| 14:23.07 | MistleTempe-gf | I think there should be a group of people, experts if you will, monitoring class articles, and being the go-to peeps for those with class-related questions. |
| 14:24.00 | MistleTempe-gf | So I want to open up project pages, and try to recruit people to work on each of them. Does that sound like a good idea? |
| 14:24.16 | Fisker- | pcj |
| 14:24.24 | Fisker- | what about putting it in their guild stuff or something instead? :P |
| 14:24.25 | pcj | what |
| 14:24.37 | pcj | ...what |
| 14:24.41 | Fisker- | the curator downed article |
| 14:24.42 | Fisker- | :D |
| 14:24.51 | pcj | i just wanted to say i like dutempete's idea |
| 14:25.14 | Fisker- | well i also like your mother |
| 14:25.17 | Fisker- | OH SNAAAP |
| 14:25.19 | Fisker- | :O |
| 14:25.27 | pcj | in my pants |
| 14:25.29 | Fisker- | :( |
| 14:25.37 | Fisker- | gonna go have some christmas then |
| 14:25.38 | Fisker- | rarw |
| 14:25.40 | Fisker- | rawr |
| 14:25.40 | Fisker- | bai |
| 14:26.06 | MistleTempe-gf | lol |
| 14:26.25 | MistleTempe-gf | wait... you like my idea in your pants, or Fisker-'s mom in your pants? |
| 14:27.02 | foxlit | Tbh, I don't want another Lorekeepers group |
| 14:27.04 | pcj | ...both? |
| 14:27.05 | MistleTempe-gf | And what would you say is the minimum editing required before one receives a welcome? |
| 14:27.21 | MistleTempe-gf | ah, fuck lorekeepers :P Those guys are nazis. |
| 14:27.30 | MistleTempe-gf | Yeah, Bagginsww, I'm talkin' about you. |
| 14:27.58 | pcj | more qualitative than quantitative imo |
| 14:28.21 | MistleTempe-gf | gotcha |
| 14:28.45 | MistleTempe-gf | See, cuz I never got a welcome :( |
| 14:28.56 | MistleTempe-gf | Not that I really needed one... |
| 14:29.12 | MistleTempe-gf | I'm the sort that makes my own welcome :P |
| 14:29.24 | MistleTempe-gf | HAI! I'm here, love me! |
| 14:30.07 | MistleTempe-gf | You know, that sort of thing. |
| 14:31.02 | MistleTempe-gf | So, foxlit... you're saying you think those folks would... how do I put this... |
| 14:31.23 | MistleTempe-gf | well, what *are* you saying you think they would do? |
| 14:32.13 | foxlit | Mandated groups of experts are generally bad |
| 14:33.19 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | I don't think that's the exact thrust |
| 14:33.46 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | More to recruit like-minded inviduals, to give them somewhere to work from and organise themselves |
| 14:34.37 | foxlit | What's the benefit, really? |
| 14:35.03 | MistleTempe-gf | consistency via a dedicated group of editors focused on the specific area |
| 14:35.29 | MistleTempe-gf | and creating a public knowledge of who's who in that area of expertise |
| 14:35.46 | MistleTempe-gf | pcj, check those badly named quests you just marked for SD... Fya's got issues... |
| 14:36.05 | MistleTempe-gf | also removed a Laurlybot flag from one |
| 14:36.14 | pcj | kirkburn can you delete those |
| 14:36.15 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | foxlit, some classes have made their own wikis since we don't support classes very well |
| 14:36.33 | MistleTempe-gf | have they now? I didn't realise that. |
| 14:36.37 | foxlit | I assume if someone wanted to improve an article, nobody is stopping them. |
| 14:36.50 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | pcj, if someone has an issue, I'm not going to pull the rug from under them before their issue is resolved |
| 14:37.00 | foxlit | Whereas having a list of people recognized as experts forcing consistency is likely to do so. |
| 14:37.12 | pcj | ...they're violating [[WW:NAME]] and they've been informed |
| 14:37.13 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | foxlit, not saying experts, just interested parties |
| 14:37.28 | foxlit | "of who's who in that area of expertise" |
| 14:37.53 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Well, okay, maybe I'm rewording what MistleTempe-gf said there :P |
| 14:38.04 | MistleTempe-gf | lol well I did say experts, but I don't mean it like we're going to put a plaque on their user page and call them "Professor" |
| 14:38.36 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | The problem is, someone interested in hunters has no way of talking to other hunters and discussing how to improve hunter pages |
| 14:38.48 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | The project pages allow such organising and chatter to take place |
| 14:38.56 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Like MistleTempe-gf's warlock project |
| 14:39.18 | MistleTempe-gf | From my perspective, with what I do for the Warlock pages... I've got a central area where concnerned folk go to agree on what improves certain types of articles |
| 14:39.37 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Thus people go elsewhere and make hunter wiki where they can work together more easily |
| 14:40.00 | MistleTempe-gf | We know names, and it's like a smaller group of people who have common interests. |
| 14:40.07 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Btw I would post the Quartz V3 mockups, but I may wait until they're more finalised and sexier |
| 14:40.24 | foxlit | Meh, add an extra talk page |
| 14:40.40 | foxlit | Or even just abuse Talk:Hunter :P |
| 14:41.20 | MistleTempe-gf | Plus, I think it encourages us to narrow our efforts, and therefore have higher quality pages. |
| 14:41.33 | MistleTempe-gf | [[Project talk: Hunter project]] :P |
| 14:41.34 | [NewsBot] | MistleTempe-gf meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Project_talk:_Hunter_project |
| 14:41.43 | MistleTempe-gf | There's your extra talk page :P |
| 14:42.04 | foxlit | Department of Redundancy Department :) |
| 14:42.13 | MistleTempe-gf | hehe |
| 14:42.16 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | foxlit, Talk:Hunter is not for general hunter article discussion |
| 14:42.26 | pcj | pwnt |
| 14:42.36 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | It's for discussion on the Hunter article (singular) |
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| 14:42.43 | MistleTempe-gf | aye, not really for the type of meta-discourse I'm thinking of |
| 14:42.57 | foxlit | Hence abuse |
| 14:43.01 | MistleTempe-gf | pcj, what are your thoughts? |
| 14:43.18 | pcj | <pcj> i just wanted to say i like dutempete's idea |
| 14:43.33 | MistleTempe-gf | in my pants? :P |
| 14:43.51 | pcj | i like anything in your pants |
| 14:43.52 | MistleTempe-gf | really, though... why? |
| 14:44.24 | pcj | because it makes sense? |
| 14:46.46 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | There should be a link to the project pages on the main class articles |
| 14:47.23 | MistleTempe-gf | Shoot, I knew I forgot to do something with that :P |
| 14:47.31 | MistleTempe-gf | I need to make the banner for it :P |
| 14:47.47 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Something like "This article is part of the Warlock project, please visit WoWWiki:Warlock project" |
| 14:47.53 | MistleTempe-gf | righto |
| 14:48.23 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Whether it should be an ambox I'm not sure, since those are supposed to be temporary notices |
| 14:49.14 | pcj | what about something like the WW:VP banner |
| 14:49.34 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Rather extreme? |
| 14:49.40 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | I was thinking more like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Portal |
| 14:49.46 | MistleTempe-gf | there's an example on the main project page... lemme go look it up |
| 14:49.51 | pcj | ok |
| 14:50.26 | MistleTempe-gf | yeah, it shows an ambox page |
| 14:50.29 | MistleTempe-gf | err banner |
| 14:50.44 | MistleTempe-gf | [[WoWWiki:Projects]] |
| 14:50.45 | [NewsBot] | MistleTempe-gf meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Projects |
| 14:51.02 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Ah, yeah, those are for talk pages |
| 14:51.42 | MistleTempe-gf | portal isn't bad, but those are usually used in sections, and link to other wikis, don't they? |
| 14:53.04 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | They're near the bottom of pages and just link to the portal page for that topic |
| 14:53.21 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | But I'm thinking something like that just under the classnav |
| 14:53.40 | MistleTempe-gf | at the bottom of the page? |
| 14:55.07 | MistleTempe-gf | I think if we do a project for each class, it should definitely become part of the classnav template, though |
| 14:55.44 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=World_of_Warcraft&oldid=175303610#References |
| 14:55.56 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | ooh, using the classnav would work |
| 14:56.22 | MistleTempe-gf | but again, not very visible down at the bottom of the page... *and* in small letters |
| 14:56.24 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | It needs some work though, since it's getting rather, uh ... big |
| 14:56.41 | MistleTempe-gf | Oh, you're talking about that huuuuuge thing in the upper right corner? |
| 14:56.46 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | yup :P |
| 14:56.52 | MistleTempe-gf | it needs to be class specific. |
| 14:56.56 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | And you're talking about the thing at the bottom ;) |
| 14:57.18 | MistleTempe-gf | yeah :P |
| 14:58.06 | MistleTempe-gf | I think it should be integrated into the class table down at the bottom, or have that brought up to the top, made verticle, and include the extra class pages classnav has, then |
| 14:58.12 | [NewsBot] | GamePolitics: Christmas Video Game Trivia - http://gamepolitics.com/2007/12/24/christmas-video-game-trivia/ |
| 14:58.25 | MistleTempe-gf | *vertical |
| 14:59.10 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Yeah, that would probably be quite sensible |
| 14:59.37 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | The main bulk of classnav being restricted to just the class page |
| 14:59.42 | MistleTempe-gf | I think it would be better at the top, too |
| 15:00.07 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Something for us to work on in about two weeks? ;) |
| 15:00.31 | MistleTempe-gf | If it's so essential to link to other class pages, then a nav table at the bottom that only links to the main articles would be good |
| 15:00.36 | MistleTempe-gf | I think so :) |
| 15:00.43 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | PDA! |
| 15:00.57 | MistleTempe-gf | PDA! |
| 15:00.58 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Off for a little while, be back later |
| 15:00.59 | MistleTempe-gf | (K) |
| 15:01.11 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | (K) |
| 15:02.13 | MistleTempe-gf | we need to create a template that has hearts all over it and says "This article was edited by Kirkburn and DuTempete during their 3 weeks of togetherness in Chicago" |
| 15:03.04 | MistleTempe-gf | How's that for a public display of affection? :P |
| 15:04.00 | pcj | close enough |
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| 15:25.46 | Dotted | lololol Fisker- TGG har pryglet newz.dk igen :D:D:D |
| 15:30.56 | foxlit | Meh |
| 15:31.01 | foxlit | OpenID already |
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| 16:38.21 | Raiko | hello? |
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| 17:01.03 | Zeal | lo all |
| 17:01.15 | MistleTempe-gf | lo zeal |
| 17:06.10 | Zeal | hm.. V3 Quartz going to have the option to switch to a right bar? That's one of the few good things about Quartz, lame to see it go back to left only. |
| 17:07.17 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: WoW Moviewatch: Unlimited Escapism vol. 4 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/12/24/wow-moviewatch-unlimited-escapism-vol-4/ |
| 17:09.53 | Zeal | "25th and 26th will be our Christmas holiday and all E2046 staff will enjoy two days of happiness brought by God and Jesus" <- sickens me considering it's a malaysian company. |
| 17:11.58 | pcj | malaysians can't celebrate christmas? |
| 17:14.10 | pcj | ~seen laurly |
| 17:14.13 | infobot | laurly <n=test@0x50a4082e.vgnxx4.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowhead, 26d 8h 48m 57s ago, saying: 'arena promoter thats what i was looking for :)'. |
| 17:14.13 | Zeal | not when it's a mostly islamic country, nope imo. |
| 17:14.28 | Zeal | atleast not s a national holiday |
| 17:14.33 | Zeal | *as a |
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| 17:18.39 | Zeal | hm, that sunwell interview added some nice reasoning behind their decisions. |
| 17:19.46 | Zeal | Kael in heroic, new model. fun fun |
| 17:21.36 | Zeal | when did it becoem two unannounced blizz games to come? was 1 last time i checked :s |
| 17:32.10 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Zeal ... nope, it's two |
| 17:32.20 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | ;) |
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| 17:32.46 | Zeal | when/where was a second announced? only know of the 1 new IP. |
| 17:33.03 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | " two unannounced blizz games" |
| 17:33.16 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | So, exactly what announcement are you wanting? |
| 17:33.17 | Zeal | dammit, why is IE7 not doing foreign text replacement anymore >_< used to work on this site.. |
| 17:33.39 | Zeal | when was it announced there wa a second? simple question |
| 17:33.58 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | If they're unannounced, I can hardly tell you :P |
| 17:34.42 | Zeal | it was 1 new IP, then a second (which was then announced as SC2), so i've no idea where a new second unannounced game has come from. |
| 17:35.06 | Zeal | first tim i'm seeing it mentioned in BlizzPlanet |
| 17:35.43 | Zeal | argh.. english (unicode) fails, wtf : / |
| 17:36.32 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Zeal, I'm not exactly going to tell you :P |
| 17:37.07 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | One is relatively new, one is not so new |
| 17:37.20 | Zeal | and why not? :S |
| 17:37.43 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | So I guess at one point the 2 IPs would have included SC2, but no longer ... |
| 17:38.28 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | I would have thought it obvous why not :) |
| 17:38.49 | Zeal | nope, the original announcement was that they had 1 new IP and 1 new game they have yet to announce. later, SC2 was announced, leaving onyl the 1 new IP left. |
| 17:39.12 | Zeal | why the hell isn't unicode working >_< bloody ie.. |
| 17:40.04 | Zeal | working fine on all pages except the ones i want to read.. |
| 17:40.46 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Zeal, companies do ... er ... start new projects? |
| 17:41.04 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | And sometimes there are even unannounced unannounced new games ;) |
| 17:43.43 | Zeal | why are you dancing around this? not in the mood for "games". Blizzplanet has either made mistake, or i missed an announcement of another new game in the works. So i'm simply asking for confirmation as to if there is still two left, and if so when/where was the new one that i missed announced. If you don't want to give a straight answer, then forget it. |
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| 17:47.06 | sacarasc | Zeal: what are you talking about? (not in the wtf are you on about? kind of way, i really don't know ;p) |
| 17:50.59 | Zeal | earlier i nthe year, Blizzard announced they had 1 new game, and 1 new game based on a new intellectual property in the works. The first new game turned out to be StarCraft 2. That leaves just the new IP left. Today i see BlizzPlanet listing that Blizzard still have two new games in the works. AFAIK, that's wrong. So i'm merely asking if anyone can confirm when/where yet another new game was announced as being planned after SC |
| 17:51.24 | Zeal | .. (as i know for sure it wasn't before then). |
| 17:52.09 | sacarasc | ah |
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| 17:58.03 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | I'm dancing around it, because I'm not at liberty to say. |
| 17:58.24 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | It is correct, but I can't link you anything. It's just corect. |
| 17:58.55 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | I'm not trying to annoy you, sorry if I am :) |
| 17:59.07 | Zeal | since when do you get the inside scoop? :P |
| 17:59.26 | Zeal | and if BlizzPlanet know, i would have thought it's allowed to be said. |
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| 17:59.33 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | I just watch the way the wind is blowing ... |
| 17:59.41 | sacarasc | Zeal: he's blowing someone at blizz |
| 17:59.46 | sacarasc | and even just admitted it |
| 17:59.55 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | :O |
| 18:00.05 | MistleTempe-gf | what?! |
| 18:00.52 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | It's not true, I tell you! |
| 18:01.15 | Zeal | haha |
| 18:01.17 | MistleTempe-gf | sacarasc... where do you get this idea? |
| 18:01.27 | sacarasc | [17:59:27] <@Kirkbrrrr-bf> I just watch the way the wind is blowing ... |
| 18:02.39 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | Yes, well, it's not blowing in *that* direction |
| 18:06.19 | Kirkbrrrr-bf | I'm off out ... see you all sometime soon :) |
| 18:06.54 | sacarasc | ;o |
| 18:07.14 | Zeal | lol |
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| 18:11.14 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Samwise's holiday wallpaper available now - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/12/24/samwises-holiday-wallpaper-available-now/ |
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| 18:21.40 | Keolah | I had this horrible dream where I was surrounded by thorium veins but my mining skill wasn't high enough to mine them. |
| 18:22.10 | MistleTempe-gf | omg I HATE that feeling, Keolah :( |
| 18:22.40 | MistleTempe-gf | both the feeling that you're too low to mine thorium, and the feeling that WoW is taking over one's life. :P |
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| 18:23.17 | Keolah | hehe |
| 18:23.21 | sacarasc | it only takes a few hours to get your mining skill from 1 to 300... |
| 18:23.37 | MistleTempe-gf | oh geez... bite me, sacarasc. |
| 18:23.53 | Keolah | And you're not likely to run into 30 thorium veins in the same cave, either. :P |
| 18:23.54 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:24.07 | sacarasc | did it recently... was a pain running around EPL |
| 18:24.17 | MistleTempe-gf | so true, Keolah :P |
| 18:25.00 | Zeal | is it me or have i already seen that wallpaper released this year? :s definitely remember that orc girl. |
| 18:25.09 | Keolah | In bed? |
| 18:25.51 | sacarasc | Zeal: someone else linked it here yesterday |
| 18:28.26 | Zeal | ah |
| 18:35.14 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: The Art of War(craft): Outdoor PvP Part I - War in the Old World - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/12/24/the-art-of-war-craft-outdoor-pvp-part-i-war-in-the-old-world/ |
| 18:50.58 | Fisker- | omg n00bs |
| 18:51.06 | Fisker- | i guess this is the punishment for using the same password everywhere |
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| 19:20.22 | pcj | they're actually buffing mining |
| 19:21.45 | Fisker- | gonna buff your mother |
| 19:21.45 | Fisker- | hoho |
| 19:26.24 | Keolah | What are they doing to it? |
| 19:28.08 | Fisker- | making it easier to transition between the different minerals |
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| 19:35.30 | Zeal | ffs |
| 19:39.14 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: An entire day spent tanking - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/12/24/an-entire-day-spent-tanking/ |
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| 19:43.11 | kd3 | !jobqueue |
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| 19:43.31 | kd3 | I'll be damned... the queue's nearly caught up |
| 19:43.50 | Zeal | stupid pc -_- |
| 19:43.58 | pcj | quickly, edit loot 9 times |
| 19:45.18 | bleeter | lol mechanical greench |
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| 19:50.43 | Bagginsww | another lorekeeprs group? huh? |
| 19:52.56 | pcj | are you talking about what foxlit said |
| 19:55.05 | Sky2042 | pcj: no, just edit tooltip. |
| 19:55.07 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 19:56.12 | Bagginsww | I missed end of someting foxlit said ya |
| 19:56.16 | Bagginsww | and something about lore nazis |
| 19:56.28 | Bagginsww | frum dutempete |
| 19:56.44 | Bagginsww | *from |
| 19:57.36 | pcj | <MistleTempe-gf> I was thinking of starting project pages for each class. |
| 19:57.40 | pcj | <MistleTempe-gf> I think there should be a group of people, experts if you will, monitoring class articles, and being the go-to peeps for those with class-related questions. |
| 19:57.42 | pcj | <MistleTempe-gf> So I want to open up project pages, and try to recruit people to work on each of them. Does that sound like a good idea? |
| 19:57.46 | pcj | <foxlit> Tbh, I don't want another Lorekeepers group |
| 19:57.46 | pcj | <MistleTempe-gf> And what would you say is the minimum editing required before one receives a welcome? |
| 19:57.48 | pcj | <MistleTempe-gf> ah, fuck lorekeepers :P Those guys are nazis. |
| 19:57.48 | pcj | <MistleTempe-gf> Yeah, Bagginsww, I'm talkin' about you. |
| 19:58.00 | MistleTempe-gf | hahaha |
| 19:58.04 | Sky2042 | MistleTempe-gf: you're being slandered! |
| 19:58.18 | MistleTempe-gf | meh, not slander if it's true :P |
| 19:58.29 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 19:58.43 | Bagginsww | !8ball Am I really a nazi? |
| 19:58.43 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww: My sources say no. |
| 19:58.49 | Bagginsww | yay |
| 19:58.58 | pcj | !8ball what about fascist? |
| 19:58.58 | [NewsBot] | pcj: Yes. |
| 19:59.03 | pcj | kk |
| 19:59.11 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 19:59.13 | Sky2042 | !8ball is everything you say true? |
| 19:59.13 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042: Signs point to yes. |
| 19:59.24 | Sky2042 | looks like you're screwed Bagginsww :P |
| 19:59.42 | Bagginsww | !8ball so if I ask if I'm a fascist am I really a fascist? |
| 19:59.43 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww: My reply is no. |
| 20:00.04 | MistleTempe-gf | hehehe |
| 20:00.12 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:00.16 | Sky2042 | !8ball are you able to change your mind? |
| 20:00.17 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042: It is certain. |
| 20:00.19 | MistleTempe-gf | Sorry, I'm distracted by more britney spears trash-talk |
| 20:00.22 | Sky2042 | opps. |
| 20:00.28 | Sky2042 | opps. |
| 20:00.30 | Sky2042 | gah |
| 20:06.04 | Sky2042 | gaaaaaaaa |
| 20:06.31 | ecstasia | i dreamt that i didn't have enough honor today for the item i wanted |
| 20:06.40 | ecstasia | even though i calculated carefully and overshot it |
| 20:06.50 | ecstasia | i was soooo pissed off in my dream too |
| 20:07.17 | Sky2042 | lol! |
| 20:07.31 | Sky2042 | i think, ecstasia, ou need to go do that thing we call "real life" |
| 20:07.33 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 20:07.49 | Keolah | More disturbingly, I had a dream about the "Ironforge gay porn hour". |
| 20:07.53 | ecstasia | i was grinding honor last night before bed |
| 20:08.54 | Sky2042 | will brb :/ |
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| 20:11.24 | Sky2042 | the wiki didn't just fart, did it? |
| 20:11.37 | Bagginsww | !8ball will hobbits become a playable race? |
| 20:11.38 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww: Cannot predict now. |
| 20:11.46 | pcj | no, that was me |
| 20:11.53 | Keolah | They're already in. They're called "gnomes" though :p |
| 20:12.05 | Sky2042 | pcj: what did you do...? |
| 20:12.10 | pcj | gnomes don't have hairy feet |
| 20:12.15 | pcj | fart |
| 20:12.22 | Sky2042 | oh. |
| 20:12.31 | Keolah | How do you know? Have you looked? |
| 20:12.43 | Sky2042 | it's a proven fact |
| 20:12.44 | pcj | well they wear shoes at least |
| 20:12.48 | Sky2042 | ~wiki Gnome |
| 20:12.57 | Keolah | Maybe its to hide their hairy feet! |
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| 20:13.40 | Keolah | Also, I'd wear shoes too if they gave me stat bonuses ;P |
| 20:13.47 | pcj | gnomes are also more technically-minded, whereas hobbits are simpler and closer to nature |
| 20:14.07 | Keolah | Stereotyping! |
| 20:14.20 | Keolah | Every gnome can't be an engineer! :p |
| 20:14.24 | Zeal | they're evolving past the need for hair, just look at the males. |
| 20:14.55 | Bagginsww | gnomes in tolkien lore are the Noldor, one of the breeds of elves. |
| 20:15.15 | Keolah | He abandoned that name for later versions though ;p |
| 20:15.29 | Bagginsww | it shows up in osme of his later unfinished writing though |
| 20:15.36 | Bagginsww | just not any of the released writing |
| 20:15.55 | Bagginsww | although I'm pretty sure I have a reprint version of the hobbit that has reference to gnomes :p |
| 20:16.07 | Bagginsww | there are so many editions of the hobbit :p |
| 20:16.10 | Keolah | "Christopher Tolkien Needs Money Part XII: Something My Dad Once Scribbled On a Napkin" |
| 20:16.18 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 20:16.45 | pcj | c. tolkien probably doesn't need money, i imagine the royalties from the movies got him enough |
| 20:16.56 | Keolah | But can he afford that third yacht? |
| 20:17.12 | Bagginsww | he gets the royalties from the novel sells too |
| 20:17.28 | Fiskersmas | btw Bagginsww |
| 20:17.29 | pcj | ...yeah, but the movies are bigger bucks |
| 20:17.31 | Fiskersmas | blasphemy and madness |
| 20:17.37 | Fiskersmas | Bornakk said Kael'thas gets killed |
| 20:17.38 | Bagginsww | lol |
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| 20:18.11 | kd3 | how'd I miss that post? I would've gotten on the forums to yell at him for that |
| 20:18.22 | Keolah | Regularly, I imagine. |
| 20:19.07 | Fiskersmas | http://www.wowblues.com/us/good-job-at-killing-more-warcraft-heroes-bliz-3547877908.html |
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| 20:20.32 | Sky2042 | Kael'thas is a prick. The only real villains in the past have been Kil'jaeden, Gul'dan, and Archimonde. 2 of which are dead. |
| 20:20.38 | Sky2042 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:20.59 | Bagginsww | the blood elves were nutz even before we saw them in Lordaeron |
| 20:21.03 | Bagginsww | in TFT |
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| 20:21.15 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Kael%27thas_Sunstrider#Really_IS_nuts |
| 20:21.15 | Sky2042 | in wc2! :P |
| 20:21.21 | Bagginsww | there wren't any in wc2 |
| 20:21.53 | Sky2042 | well, fine, high elves. |
| 20:22.12 | Bagginsww | I was talking specifically about the blood elves |
| 20:22.39 | Bagginsww | I'd call the older high elves ah, stuck up. |
| 20:23.56 | Keolah | Well, of course they are. They're freaking high elves. :p |
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| 20:24.26 | Keolah | If you looked up "high elves" in a dictionary you'd see "arrogant long-eared bastards" :p |
| 20:24.37 | Sky2042 | news to me |
| 20:24.46 | Bagginsww | depends on what fantasy though |
| 20:24.54 | Keolah | Just about all of em, heh ;p |
| 20:25.02 | Keolah | Hell, elves in general are generally arrogant :p |
| 20:25.19 | Bagginsww | well in tolkien's world they seem more said, despondent than arrogant |
| 20:25.22 | Bagginsww | *sad |
| 20:25.37 | Bagginsww | like they know the end of the world is coming for them. |
| 20:25.46 | Fiskersmas | spiderbaggins |
| 20:25.48 | Fiskersmas | can he swing from a web? |
| 20:25.54 | Fiskersmas | no he can't cause he's a baggins |
| 20:25.54 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:26.09 | Keolah | Eh, they get a good dose of the arrogance in teh Silmarillion though, long before the end-of-the-elfiness is in sight :p |
| 20:26.16 | Bagginsww | sure |
| 20:26.22 | Keolah | Like, say, Feanor. Poster child for elvish arrogance :p |
| 20:26.27 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 20:26.47 | Bagginsww | I suppose even night elves show arrogance |
| 20:26.56 | Bagginsww | there were so many subraces of elves in tolkien lore |
| 20:27.49 | bleeter | 07:26 <@Bagginsww> I suppose even night elves show arrogance << if staghelm ain't arrogant, I'm a freakin' teapot |
| 20:27.57 | Bagginsww | exactly |
| 20:27.58 | kd3 | ^ |
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| 20:28.18 | Bagginsww | Illidan is a poster child for arrogance too |
| 20:28.26 | Sky2042 | bleeter: gief tea px |
| 20:28.27 | Keolah | lol |
| 20:28.27 | Sky2042 | plx |
| 20:28.43 | foxlit | !jobqueue |
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| 20:28.48 | Sky2042 | Bagginsww: blame his brother :P |
| 20:29.01 | Bagginsww | alot of arrogant humans too :p... but they probably learned it from the elves. |
| 20:29.03 | foxlit | Okay, so someone obviously had an integer overflow |
| 20:29.04 | foxlit | !jobqueue |
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| 20:29.24 | Bagginsww | magic breeds arrogance LOL |
| 20:29.29 | foxlit | gr |
| 20:29.37 | foxlit | Someone do a Fandyllic, I need the queue time! |
| 20:29.56 | Sky2042 | foxlit: do what? |
| 20:30.10 | Keolah | When a human is arrogant, it's generally assumed it's a one-off, that just that particular human is being arrogant. When an elf is arrogant, it's assumed that's the norm :p |
| 20:30.12 | Keolah | *snicker* |
| 20:30.40 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 20:30.54 | Fiskersmas | FUCKING WIN |
| 20:30.55 | Fiskersmas | http://www.wowblues.com/us/too-many-classes-need-the-same-drops-smfix-3547671566.html |
| 20:30.58 | Bagginsww | dwarves think all humans are arrogant :p |
| 20:31.22 | sacarasc | all humans are arrogant |
| 20:31.26 | Bagginsww | because humanity often thinks its superior and innovative despite having short lives |
| 20:31.32 | bleeter | dwarves think everyone's arrogant |
| 20:31.39 | Bagginsww | and often acts as the mediators between everyone |
| 20:31.39 | bleeter | they're prolly right, too |
| 20:31.43 | Keolah | it's becaues everyone except gnomes are taller than them. |
| 20:31.46 | Keolah | Well, goblins too. |
| 20:31.52 | Bagginsww | gnomes are the least arrogant of any race |
| 20:31.54 | Fiskersmas | http://www.wowblues.com/us/maintenance-on-chirstmas-3547671553.html :D |
| 20:32.03 | Keolah | Gnomes are too busy blowing themselves up to be arrogant. |
| 20:32.09 | Bagginsww | that's the goblins |
| 20:32.20 | Keolah | They both do a fair share of it :p |
| 20:32.23 | Bagginsww | gnomes are too much into safety |
| 20:32.28 | Bagginsww | they never finish most of their projects |
| 20:32.32 | Keolah | Yes, this is why they irradiated their hometown? :p |
| 20:32.47 | Sky2042 | Fiskersmas: is that what I think it is? |
| 20:32.51 | Bagginsww | to be fair one gnome did that |
| 20:32.55 | Bagginsww | and he lied to everyone else |
| 20:33.02 | Bagginsww | said it would be ok |
| 20:33.11 | Keolah | Uh-huh. But it was still a gnome! :p |
| 20:33.17 | Bagginsww | a single gnome |
| 20:33.27 | Sky2042 | Fiskersmas: that's weaksauce |
| 20:33.28 | Bagginsww | one that everyone trusted |
| 20:33.31 | Keolah | It only takes one hand to push a big red button! :p |
| 20:33.44 | Bagginsww | it was a nuke not a big red button ;) |
| 20:33.49 | Keolah | Figuratively. |
| 20:33.58 | Fiskersmas | that is definitely sum bill cosby Sky2042 :) |
| 20:34.05 | Fiskersmas | do want and so forth |
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| 20:34.12 | Keolah | And hey, maybe it was the fault of everyone else for trusting him! :P |
| 20:34.31 | Bagginsww | anycase the point was as the advisor claimed, they'd kill everything in the city then pump out the radiation afterwords |
| 20:34.39 | Bagginsww | everyone was suppposed to get out of the city first |
| 20:34.50 | Sky2042 | oh jesus, pcj's on the move again. |
| 20:34.50 | Bagginsww | but they left said advisor at the controls :p |
| 20:35.05 | Sky2042 | anyway, do need to wrap gifts and things. will be back later methinks |
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| 20:35.14 | Keolah | Wonderful idea! :p |
| 20:35.17 | Bagginsww | anycase gnomes are good at getting others to blow themselves up :) |
| 20:35.26 | Bagginsww | look at all the dwarves during wc2 ;) |
| 20:35.34 | Bagginsww | dwarven demolition squads |
| 20:35.49 | Sky2042_afk | pcj: where are you substing the welcome from? |
| 20:35.59 | pcj | User:Pcj/w |
| 20:36.20 | Bagginsww | So sicco getting the other gnomes to blow up the city was really just an extension of that ;) |
| 20:37.35 | Keolah | It could be worse, anyway. |
| 20:37.38 | Keolah | I mean, they could be undead or something. :P |
| 20:37.51 | bleeter | ewww |
| 20:38.11 | Keolah | Undead gnomes, yech, scary thought. :p |
| 20:38.15 | Bagginsww | I suppose radiated zombie gnomes would be creepy |
| 20:38.29 | Bagginsww | brains brains gizmos brains |
| 20:38.56 | Zeal | Gnomes are just masochist |
| 20:39.11 | Sky2042_afk | piu's warming up for a botron, me thinks |
| 20:39.55 | pcj | silly piu |
| 20:40.16 | Bagginsww | The goblins are jealous they didn't think of it first, ;) LOL |
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| 20:51.13 | foxlit | (He's making a list, and checking it twice) |
| 20:53.18 | foxlit | !wikistats |
| 20:53.19 | Foxbot | WoWWiki: 52289 articles (4626 in jobqueue) edited 1177101 times by 157623 users. |
| 20:56.21 | foxlit | gr |
| 20:56.28 | foxlit | I can't seem to save a page :/ |
| 20:57.17 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: I was having that issue earlier; i think the wiki's burping :/ |
| 20:57.41 | Zeal | Collecting parts for his gnomish device. |
| 20:57.43 | foxlit | HTTP 500? |
| 20:58.10 | Sky2042_afk | :/ |
| 20:58.14 | Fiskersmas | server failure |
| 20:58.32 | foxlit | I'm aware of what it stands for; I want to know whether that's what Sky got previously :) |
| 20:58.57 | foxlit | !item [sandbox] Nordrassil Headpiece |
| 20:59.03 | Foxbot | Tooltip saved, foxlit, view at http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Sandbox/1 |
| 20:59.06 | Fiskersmas | obviously you don't! |
| 20:59.08 | foxlit | Okay, evidently, it's me |
| 20:59.20 | Sky2042_afk | i wasn't getting any specific issue; I basically couldn't view the wiki for a short period |
| 20:59.24 | Sky2042_afk | oh well |
| 20:59.35 | foxlit | Nah, server rejects my small 500KB page submit :/ |
| 20:59.50 | Sky2042_afk | well, and that |
| 20:59.52 | Sky2042_afk | :/ |
| 21:00.09 | foxlit | Wonder if that's a request issue |
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| 21:05.05 | foxlit | Hm |
| 21:05.06 | foxlit | [[User:Foxbot/Items]] |
| 21:05.07 | [NewsBot] | foxlit meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Foxbot/Items |
| 21:05.17 | bleeter | noes! mechanical greench is 10 days onlly :( |
| 21:05.59 | bleeter | -l |
| 21:06.14 | bleeter | you guys supporting SVG images yet? |
| 21:06.25 | kd3 | nope. it's still on [[WW:SR]] |
| 21:06.31 | bleeter | bum |
| 21:06.55 | foxlit | (diff) (hist) . . b User:Foxbot/Items‎; 20:52 . . (+530,555) . . Foxbot (Talk | contribs) (Item List) |
| 21:07.16 | [NewsBot] | WoW Insider: Blizzard planning an official podcast in 2008 - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/12/24/blizzard-planning-an-official-podcast-in-2008/ |
| 21:07.26 | Sky2042_afk | bleeter: indeed. |
| 21:08.00 | bleeter | meh, i shouldn't complain. I'm meant to be fixing graphiz on norg's wiki |
| 21:08.06 | Fiskersmas | SLOWINSIDER IS SLOOOOOOOOOW |
| 21:08.23 | kd3 | methinks that broke something. getting a blank page |
| 21:08.45 | bleeter | wfm |
| 21:08.51 | foxlit | Haha |
| 21:08.56 | foxlit | Seems I broke Squid |
| 21:09.16 | bleeter | they are rewriting, and commenting, on a story from mmo-insider |
| 21:09.25 | bleeter | which references http://www.battle.net/forums/thread.aspx?fn=sc2-general&t=196906&p=1&#post196906 |
| 21:09.37 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: I /did/ do that also. |
| 21:11.34 | foxlit | Great, do you know how to fix it, then? |
| 21:11.35 | Zeal | BlizzPlanet's news about it is alot better anyways. |
| 21:12.01 | kd3 | I'd just go on the standby of going in #wikia "I broke squid. help?" |
| 21:12.42 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: nope. |
| 21:12.46 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 21:12.48 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 21:12.57 | foxlit | Well |
| 21:13.15 | foxlit | I could probably roll back the changes, but I'm not too bothered at the moment |
| 21:13.21 | foxlit | There's just a page normal users can't view |
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| 21:52.01 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww: you submitted a question to golden. huh. |
| 21:52.09 | Bagginsww | hmm? |
| 21:52.17 | Bagginsww | I think so a while back |
| 21:54.44 | Sky2042_afk | the link on RotH |
| 21:55.09 | Zeal | ? |
| 21:55.38 | MistleTempe-gf | Baggins, Sky and Zeal... I wanna run something by you. |
| 21:55.57 | Zeal | aslong as it's slow for me to read, sure :P |
| 21:56.17 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 21:57.02 | MistleTempe-gf | I was thinking about suggesting this on the VP, but wanted to mantion it here, first |
| 21:57.10 | pcj | hah |
| 21:57.21 | MistleTempe-gf | I think we should create project groups for each of the classes |
| 21:57.33 | pcj | i thought baggins already read taht |
| 21:57.46 | MistleTempe-gf | no, he only read the comment about me calling him a lore nazi |
| 21:57.54 | MistleTempe-gf | or I missed his response |
| 21:58.09 | Zeal | oh, i see where you meant sky. |
| 21:58.23 | MistleTempe-gf | We could put up a request to recruit some people to work on them |
| 21:59.52 | MistleTempe-gf | I think it would help keep the pages neat, and monitored, and also bring together a group of people who could be turned to when questions are asked about a particular class |
| 21:59.57 | Zeal | well i'm curious as to what aspect of classes you meant. All of it, or jsut gameplay, or just lore? :S TBH i doubt many people could really be cosnidered knowledgable about both aspects. |
| 21:59.57 | Sky2042_afk | request from who? outside the wiki? |
| 22:00.16 | Sky2042_afk | gameplay, naturally. |
| 22:00.20 | MistleTempe-gf | just gameplay, I would say |
| 22:00.23 | Zeal | kk |
| 22:00.25 | MistleTempe-gf | that's what mine and Piu's covers |
| 22:00.27 | Sky2042_afk | let the bookkeepers deal the lore |
| 22:00.33 | Zeal | mhm |
| 22:00.35 | Fiskersmas | all i need is your love MistleTempe-gf |
| 22:00.38 | Sky2042_afk | should be lorekeepers :/ |
| 22:00.43 | Sky2042_afk | oh well. |
| 22:00.58 | Fiskersmas | :( |
| 22:01.02 | pcj | yeah lorekeeper nazis |
| 22:01.26 | Zeal | well i still feel the groups/projects system in place is lacking, but sounds like an idea i guess. |
| 22:01.37 | MistleTempe-gf | how is it lacking? |
| 22:01.41 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww: Rend Blackhand is considered to be a Warrior by WoW |
| 22:01.53 | foxlit | Everyone knows he's a paladin |
| 22:01.57 | Bagginsww | said specifically? |
| 22:02.01 | foxlit | As is Onyxia! |
| 22:02.15 | Zeal | the structure, guidelines, organization etc. |
| 22:02.16 | MistleTempe-gf | NO wai... Onyxia is a dr00d. |
| 22:02.19 | Bagginsww | I mean beyond just presumptions based on abilities |
| 22:02.38 | foxlit | UnitClass > lore |
| 22:02.39 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: truth. Bagginsww: no, it's a UI thing. the game literally considers him to be a Warrior. |
| 22:02.43 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 22:02.45 | MistleTempe-gf | What would you suggest to improve it, Zeal? |
| 22:02.45 | Sky2042_afk | lol |
| 22:03.21 | Bagginsww | in other word a presumption ;). In the rpg multiple classes share many of the same abilities :p |
| 22:03.34 | Bagginsww | anycase I'm not finished with rend I have one more source to check |
| 22:03.45 | Sky2042_afk | no, not a presumption. he /is/ a "Warrior". anyways, where did he get the name Dal'Rend? :/ |
| 22:03.59 | foxlit | local function filterTooltip(oldcode) |
| 22:03.59 | foxlit | return ""; |
| 22:04.00 | foxlit | end |
| 22:04.01 | foxlit | qq! |
| 22:04.07 | pcj | maybe he studied at Dalaran |
| 22:04.22 | foxlit | And then went back in time on a magic dragon. |
| 22:04.24 | pcj | he's a mage, obviously |
| 22:04.37 | foxlit | Warlock by now, probably rerolled |
| 22:04.48 | ggilbert | It's ok though, since most mages in game are classed as warriors as well :) |
| 22:05.12 | pcj | jaina proudmoore is clearly a shaman |
| 22:05.14 | foxlit | Hm, any examples of that? |
| 22:05.28 | Sky2042_afk | ggilbert: hush, you. |
| 22:05.34 | Sky2042_afk | frawst shock. |
| 22:05.35 | foxlit | They all have manabars, so that's either mage or a paladin :) |
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| 22:05.47 | pcj | or hunter |
| 22:05.48 | Zeal | when Kirkburn redid the official wiki groups, i was trying to encourage it being an more open idea. So that groups could be formed on the wiki for anything, both official and unofficial, have their related pages in a group namespace, nice category for them all, soem sort of heirarcy where needed (eg. these classes could be a sub-group of the er.. article council) |
| 22:06.05 | Bagginsww | anycase the npc box is not a place for game mechanics, unless he's specifically stated to be a "warrior" in a quest text, then its only a presumption based on his abilities |
| 22:06.15 | Bagginsww | technically he should be a "mounted warrior" |
| 22:06.29 | Bagginsww | but the RPG never knew he was going to be on a dragon |
| 22:06.36 | Sky2042_afk | but it isn't a presumption. /the game defines him as a warrior/ |
| 22:06.52 | Bagginsww | cite where it defines him as a warrior |
| 22:06.57 | MistleTempe-gf | How would you apply that to class projects? |
| 22:07.21 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit already did so. |
| 22:07.44 | Sky2042_afk | it isn't in-game, it's part of the mechanics. which aren't presumed. :/ |
| 22:07.55 | MistleTempe-gf | err zeal |
| 22:07.59 | Sky2042_afk | i don't really care either way, but saying it's a presumption is incorrect. |
| 22:08.46 | Bagginsww | again abilities lists can be shared among various class types |
| 22:08.58 | Bagginsww | just because he has certain abilities doesn't necessarily make him a "warrior" |
| 22:09.01 | Sky2042_afk | Not. An. Abilities. List. |
| 22:09.08 | Bagginsww | npc ability lists are different than player class lists |
| 22:09.10 | Sky2042_afk | I'm not going by his abilities. |
| 22:09.27 | Zeal | [[Group:Class Council]] manage everything there through sub pages, category for he group, listening of what parent groups it may report back to/recieve tasks from. |
| 22:09.27 | [NewsBot] | Zeal meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Group:Class_Council |
| 22:10.03 | Sky2042_afk | Bagginsww: have you ever used CTMod? |
| 22:10.26 | Bagginsww | I think so |
| 22:10.45 | Sky2042_afk | you know those little boxes above the nameplates? |
| 22:10.46 | Zeal | Sky is saying the game reports him as a warrior class, but that class is not displayed for npcs. |
| 22:10.52 | Sky2042_afk | ^ |
| 22:11.00 | MistleTempe-gf | Bagginsww... it's not based on ability lists |
| 22:11.14 | Sky2042_afk | those little boxes with the classes in them. Mage. Warrior. Priest. etc. |
| 22:11.18 | Zeal | problem is, npc classes are rather irrelevent |
| 22:11.20 | ggilbert | Sky2042_afk: The problem with calling him a warrior based on his class definition in the UI is that Blizzard didn't apply them the same way |
| 22:11.20 | Sky2042_afk | those weren't made up on the spot. |
| 22:11.21 | MistleTempe-gf | Each NPC has a "class" determined by the game. It's just a name. It doesn't say what abilities they have. |
| 22:11.27 | Sky2042_afk | ggilbert: true. |
| 22:11.29 | Bagginsww | ctmod is harldy offiical you know |
| 22:11.32 | Bagginsww | *hardly |
| 22:11.35 | MistleTempe-gf | But it can be queried, and is by ctmod |
| 22:11.43 | Zeal | wind serpents aren't paladins for example. i knwo thats a mob, but theres npcs i nthe same position. |
| 22:11.44 | ggilbert | Bagginsww: It's just the UnitClass api call. |
| 22:11.59 | Bagginsww | datamined information shouldn't even be listed |
| 22:12.10 | pcj | are wind serpents members of the silver hand or are they actually blood knights |
| 22:12.17 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:13.09 | Zeal | not really datamined, just hidden in the default ui. game still considers them to have that class, though imo its more for game mechanics and is clearly wrong in places, so wouldn't use it in an 2infobox" anyways. |
| 22:13.37 | foxlit | Zeal, quit making sense |
| 22:13.42 | foxlit | You're spoiling my view! |
| 22:13.42 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:13.53 | Bagginsww | ya zeal |
| 22:14.04 | Bagginsww | but still to get into the UI you have to actually break into the code :p |
| 22:14.12 | Zeal | nope |
| 22:14.14 | foxlit | No, not really |
| 22:14.36 | Zeal | it's an api, there to be used for players to access. |
| 22:14.36 | foxlit | You do have to be mildly competent around code, but there's no real breaking anything involved |
| 22:14.52 | MistleTempe-gf | Zeal... that much to-do about the projects/groups isn't necessary. |
| 22:15.03 | Zeal | where as me extracting dbc files and reading info out of that, that's datamining :P |
| 22:15.20 | Zeal | is imo |
| 22:15.46 | Sky2042_afk | is not imo |
| 22:15.46 | MistleTempe-gf | Bagginsww, I could write a piddly script that basically says "Hello server, what class is Onyxia?" And the server will gladly tell me "Onyxia is a dr00d, DuTempete." |
| 22:16.00 | MistleTempe-gf | No breaking involved. I didn't have to beat the code into submission. I just asked. |
| 22:16.07 | Bagginsww | ok, I won't argue about that. Still I think its not reliable enough to be in the infobox |
| 22:16.17 | Bagginsww | certainly not citeable evidence |
| 22:16.20 | Zeal | i never liked the idea of a "project" namespace the way mediawiki implements it, but putting them in the there as it is atm, suggests their official and puts off the idea of user created groups and beign free to manage themselves. |
| 22:16.32 | Sky2042_afk | Portal |
| 22:16.41 | Sky2042_afk | they don't have a namespace for projects |
| 22:16.53 | Zeal | hm? |
| 22:16.55 | MistleTempe-gf | So, you think it appeals to people as coming from up above? |
| 22:17.04 | MistleTempe-gf | There's no indiv. namespace on the wiki |
| 22:17.16 | MistleTempe-gf | and wikipedia uses "portals" |
| 22:17.18 | Zeal | huh? |
| 22:17.42 | Zeal | no, i meant the project namespace, in ww's case is WoWWiki: |
| 22:18.05 | Fiskersmas | so foxlit |
| 22:18.07 | Sky2042_afk | ah |
| 22:18.09 | Fiskersmas | seen that newz.dk failed :( |
| 22:18.13 | MistleTempe-gf | Both existing class projects are in the user namespace, Zeal |
| 22:18.24 | foxlit | Given the published passwords of their members |
| 22:18.27 | foxlit | I'm not sure who failed more |
| 22:18.40 | Zeal | i know, hence why i said they're not really accessable or advertised to people. |
| 22:19.09 | MistleTempe-gf | They're linked to from WW:Projects |
| 22:19.19 | Zeal | would have liked to have seen them take a place in the new user guide, see what active projects there are and what gorup they might want to join. |
| 22:19.24 | Sky2042_afk | and WW:Comm. Portal |
| 22:19.28 | Zeal | but not where else |
| 22:19.41 | Zeal | which sucks tbh >_> |
| 22:19.49 | Zeal | comm portal that is. |
| 22:20.08 | MistleTempe-gf | yeah, I want to see that too, but that doesn't affect how they're implemented... so I'm confused about what you're getting at :P |
| 22:20.10 | Sky2042_afk | granted |
| 22:21.03 | Zeal | the implementation of a seperate namespace makes it more inviting to everyone and more obvious they exist and allows easier self-management. |
| 22:21.18 | MistleTempe-gf | How does it make it more obvious they exist? |
| 22:21.25 | Zeal | atm seeing offical groups in the project namespace and unofficial ones in the user namespace is a bit odd. |
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| 22:21.36 | MistleTempe-gf | I certainly didn't know namespaces existed for ages after joining the wiki |
| 22:21.49 | Zeal | becausee it's then a known namespace, shows they have a functional space built around them. |
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| 22:22.20 | MistleTempe-gf | Yes, it is. I dont' think the projects idea is as fully implemented as it should be. |
| 22:22.51 | Zeal | mhm |
| 22:23.02 | Sky2042_afk | looooooooooooool |
| 22:23.10 | Sky2042_afk | you're funny MistleTempe-gf :P |
| 22:23.15 | MistleTempe-gf | lol why? |
| 22:23.31 | Zeal | but back to the quetion at hand, are you lookign to make it a "community team" then, as seeing as you have the "groups" already, don't see why else. |
| 22:23.39 | MistleTempe-gf | what'd I do now, Sky? |
| 22:24.24 | MistleTempe-gf | You're only talking semantics, now, zeal |
| 22:24.42 | foxlit | Hrm, laurly |
| 22:24.43 | foxlit | |itemid=4503 & vbCrLf |
| 22:24.43 | Zeal | am i? |
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| 22:26.38 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Leggings_of_the_Vanquished_Defender&diff=1056791&oldid=1056790 |
| 22:27.23 | pcj | k |
| 22:27.48 | Fiskersmas | it's funz0rz though foxlit |
| 22:28.03 | Fiskersmas | good thing i discovered it though |
| 22:28.13 | Fiskersmas | my old account has the same password as my steam account |
| 22:28.33 | foxlit | fail! |
| 22:28.46 | pcj | what??? you don't even salt your passwords? |
| 22:29.02 | Fiskersmas | salt? |
| 22:29.54 | Sky2042_afk | MistleTempe-gf: you wouldn't be having this chat with Zeal if you hadn't disagreed with the statement you just made. |
| 22:29.56 | Sky2042_afk | :P |
| 22:30.07 | pcj | using the same base password for every site but adding site-specific id for each site, like "bl@h" for your base pw, and "bl@hww" for your wowwiki pw |
| 22:30.18 | Fiskersmas | nah |
| 22:30.26 | pcj | nub |
| 22:30.27 | Fiskersmas | good idea though |
| 22:30.28 | Zeal | not really, should could be having it because she agreed with the statement, but was curious as to the reasoning :p |
| 22:30.35 | Zeal | *she could |
| 22:30.50 | MistleTempe-gf | When did I say I disagreed with that statement, Sky2042_afk? |
| 22:31.03 | MistleTempe-gf | I never claimed that projects are just the way they should be. |
| 22:32.24 | Sky2042_afk | disagreed was a bad word. the original question of "how is it lacking" suggest you thought that proj.s were fine. |
| 22:32.45 | MistleTempe-gf | No, it suggested that I wanted to know what Zeal's opinion is. :P |
| 22:32.55 | Zeal | scarying thing that, lol |
| 22:32.56 | MistleTempe-gf | The connotation you took from it is biased. :P |
| 22:33.48 | Sky2042_afk | true |
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| 22:34.29 | Zeal | i'd be interested in helping with hunters if it wasn't for the fact i don't play anymore and any questions about pvp would just turn into a rant from me. :p |
| 22:34.45 | pcj | dotted fails so much |
| 22:34.52 | pcj | !wwstats |
| 22:34.53 | [NewsBot] | Channels stats: http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki.html |
| 22:35.06 | Sky2042_afk | Zeal: don't touch the PvP page or two there are. |
| 22:35.18 | Sky2042_afk | updating the abiltiies pages to use the current boilerplate would be enough :/ |
| 22:35.40 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:35.40 | MistleTempe-gf | Zeal, it sounds to me like you basically just want to make sure the groups seem and are accesible to everyone, yes? |
| 22:35.59 | Zeal | pretty much |
| 22:36.22 | Fiskersmas | where does one simply change their google/gmail password? |
| 22:36.24 | MistleTempe-gf | That the tools are available to everyone, regardless of position, etc. |
| 22:36.35 | MistleTempe-gf | www.gmail.com! |
| 22:36.47 | Fiskersmas | found it :o |
| 22:36.52 | Fiskersmas | fuck you btw MistleTempe-gf |
| 22:36.59 | pcj | hawt |
| 22:37.05 | MistleTempe-gf | no thanks, I'm seeing someone, Fiskersmas. |
| 22:37.22 | Zeal | not quite that far, real backend groups would be for official groups only. |
| 22:37.39 | Fiskersmas | thanks for the protips pcj :O |
| 22:37.46 | pcj | heh fisker's quote on http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki_page_2.html |
| 22:37.48 | pcj | "i dislike you DuTempete" |
| 22:37.54 | MistleTempe-gf | lmao |
| 22:38.27 | Fiskersmas | i hate it when |Pixel|'s quotes are french |
| 22:38.58 | |Pixel| | do I have quotes ? |
| 22:39.27 | Zeal | hm.. MistleTempe-gf said "colours" turning british? :P |
| 22:39.36 | MistleTempe-gf | Yes, I am. :P |
| 22:40.23 | |Pixel| | omg, I do |
| 22:40.28 | Sky2042_afk | I've done that before... |
| 22:40.30 | Sky2042_afk | >.> |
| 22:40.57 | pcj | next she'll be eating yoghourt |
| 22:41.07 | MistleTempe-gf | omg spell it right, pcj. |
| 22:41.16 | pcj | tell that to the brits |
| 22:41.24 | Fiskersmas | btw pcj |
| 22:41.30 | Fiskersmas | i'm in my sites salting up my passwords |
| 22:41.37 | pcj | gg |
| 22:42.20 | Sky2042_afk | if you really smart, you'd actually have different pws... >.> |
| 22:42.44 | Fiskersmas | well i do |
| 22:42.56 | Fiskersmas | i have different passwords for anything significant |
| 22:43.00 | Fiskersmas | i.e. bank accounts, WoW, etc. |
| 22:43.12 | Fiskersmas | but random sites i use the same |
| 22:43.43 | pcj | dutempete: http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/yogurt?view=uk "yogurt [...] (also yoghurt or yoghourt)" qed. from the oed. |
| 22:44.09 | Zeal | i have 2 (thought with about 6 slight vairents), and i change them in all locations everytime i change my pc/theme/mind |
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| 22:46.33 | Foxbot|Shard | ls |
| 22:47.11 | MistleTempe-gf | yeah, yeah, whatever, pcj. |
| 22:47.16 | Sky2042_afk | aaaaaaaaa the bot spoke |
| 22:47.19 | Sky2042_afk | run for your liiiiives |
| 22:47.43 | Foxbot|shard | Because you're using a superior browser, Zeal. |
| 22:48.07 | Zeal | well no, it's because js is doing something in a crappy way. |
| 22:48.19 | Zeal | all other wiki pages are fine. |
| 22:48.37 | Sky2042_afk | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 22:48.51 | Foxbot|shard | All the other browsers are fine, really |
| 22:48.57 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:49.00 | Sky2042_afk | what's Zeal using? |
| 22:49.13 | Zeal | Avant w/ie7 |
| 22:49.20 | pcj | loool |
| 22:49.31 | Foxbot|shard | To quote Zeal: "Note: If you are using firefox, please stop following suit and buying into the hype and go back to internet explorer, as it is a much better browser, and this site will not be shown correctly by firefox or mozilla." |
| 22:49.45 | Zeal | haha |
| 22:49.55 | Zeal | still stand by that. |
| 22:50.10 | MistleTempe-gf | lol |
| 22:50.29 | Zeal | though i didn't make that site work with firefox out of being lazy and firefox not having gotten to where it is now. |
| 22:50.38 | Sky2042_afk | Zeal: so, what exactly doesn't view correctly in FF? |
| 22:50.46 | Zeal | no idea |
| 22:50.56 | Zeal | just refused to care if it did or not. |
| 22:51.04 | Zeal | or are you speaking in general? |
| 22:51.05 | pcj | ... |
| 22:51.09 | Sky2042_afk | oh, so it's just a blanket statement that is probably incorrect by its very nature |
| 22:51.12 | Sky2042_afk | well, sure! |
| 22:51.16 | pcj | wait so we should take you seriously why? |
| 22:51.37 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: you're scarin me mon. |
| 22:51.54 | Zeal | sky, done some tests before, found things firefox does wrong and agaisnt spec/random, though they're fixed soon after. |
| 22:52.04 | Zeal | but firefox had tons to start with. |
| 22:52.13 | Sky2042_afk | mmm |
| 22:52.38 | Sky2042_afk | oh boy |
| 22:56.07 | Zeal | something wrong with ie7 or the code being used for ie7, meh. |
| 22:56.32 | Zeal | considering it's only that page, and it on the whole of the page, thinking code. |
| 22:56.35 | MistleTempe-gf | Sky2042_afk, you ahven't told me what you think about the class projects, yet. |
| 22:56.51 | Sky2042_afk | mmm... you didn't answer my question yet either. ;P |
| 22:57.01 | MistleTempe-gf | have you tried the RC page, Zeal? |
| 22:57.07 | MistleTempe-gf | sorry, ask it again, Sky |
| 22:57.50 | Sky2042_afk | non-wiki recruits? or people already familiar? |
| 22:58.06 | MistleTempe-gf | what do you mean by non-wiki recruits? |
| 22:58.17 | Zeal | think i did actaully, think it happened there too (as it uses the same js as the watchlist). |
| 22:58.24 | pcj | recuit from outside the wiki |
| 22:58.27 | pcj | recruit* |
| 22:58.37 | Sky2042_xmas | you said, go recruit people for the projects. question is, people that already edit, or?... |
| 22:58.41 | MistleTempe-gf | goodness no, why would we do taht? |
| 22:59.02 | MistleTempe-gf | I mean posting on the WP, VP, and talk pages for the classes. |
| 22:59.25 | MistleTempe-gf | mebbe dropping a line to folks particularly vocal on related pages. |
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| 23:00.10 | Sky2042_xmas | yeah... um, the people editing already have their little projects probably. then there are the readers, who don't care either way. more projects just spreads the people thinner. |
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| 23:00.21 | Zeal | hm.. actually, it's oly i the top portions of each, anything above the namespace drop down. |
| 23:00.28 | Zeal | *only in |
| 23:00.33 | |Pixel| | oh, by the way |
| 23:00.44 | |Pixel| | Merry Christmas (for those in the GMT+1 TZ) |
| 23:00.45 | Sky2042_xmas | you're going to tell us the mmo blizz is working on? |
| 23:00.49 | Sky2042_xmas | bah |
| 23:00.50 | Adys|xmas | You too Pixel |
| 23:01.00 | Adys|xmas | How about a nice alpha key as xmas gift? |
| 23:01.04 | Sky2042_xmas | ^ |
| 23:01.12 | |Pixel| | I have one :P |
| 23:01.20 | Adys|xmas | Yeah, these things |
| 23:01.25 | Sky2042_xmas | not cool! |
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| 23:01.41 | foxlit | !wikistats |
| 23:01.42 | Foxbot | WoWWiki: 52289 articles (4626 in jobqueue) edited 1177369 times by 157643 users. |
| 23:01.42 | Foxbot|shard | WoWWiki: 52289 articles (4626 in jobqueue) edited 1177369 times by 157643 users. |
| 23:01.52 | foxlit | Cheers, Pixel! |
| 23:01.54 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 23:01.55 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 4626 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 1hr 17mins 6secs. |
| 23:02.22 | pcj | wow the jobqueue isn't really doing anything... |
| 23:02.23 | Sky2042_xmas | i think the jobqueue died |
| 23:02.30 | foxlit | It needs hits and so on |
| 23:02.38 | foxlit | I'd imagine wiki is pretty dead at the moment |
| 23:02.48 | Zeal | the squid attacked it |
| 23:02.54 | Sky2042_xmas | ^ |
| 23:03.13 | pcj | it would still be doing one or two articles |
| 23:03.35 | foxlit | It's not a cronjob |
| 23:03.53 | pcj | i know |
| 23:04.01 | pcj | but this is over the last hour or two |
| 23:07.09 | foxlit | Oops :P |
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| 23:08.07 | foxlit | "a distributed system is one where the crash of a computer that you've never heard of stops you from getting any work done." |
| 23:08.34 | Sky2042_xmas | lol |
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| 23:10.50 | Foxbot | > Done [Null]. Starting [Block 14503]. |
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| 23:10.58 | pcj | !sup |
| 23:10.58 | Foxbot | There are currently 0 queued operations. |
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| 23:11.17 | Sky2042_xmas | Bagginsww: shame on you. |
| 23:11.25 | Sky2042_xmas | you spelled orgrim wrong |
| 23:11.47 | pcj | i bet his friends always made fun of that name |
| 23:11.52 | pcj | orgyrim imo |
| 23:12.05 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 23:12.12 | Zeal | hm... http://www.jinx.com/world_of_warcraft/men/wrath_of_the_lich_king_long_sleeve_tee.html?catid=40 <-- gief |
| 23:12.33 | Sky2042_xmas | nice shirt |
| 23:12.58 | Zeal | indeed, jinx pulled their finger out of their ass and made some new designs now it seems. |
| 23:13.01 | Sky2042_xmas | all sizes out of stock, except for 3xl |
| 23:13.06 | Sky2042_xmas | xD |
| 23:13.07 | Zeal | *new, better |
| 23:13.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:14.32 | Zeal | can't believe they didn't add anything on the sleeve too, bit cheap. |
| 23:14.52 | Zeal | frostmourne would be perfect for it. |
| 23:14.53 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:15.01 | Sky2042_xmas | indeed. |
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| 23:17.13 | Zeal | hm.. also uses lots of cpu when mousing over the date headers on the list. : / |
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| 23:22.22 | Sky2042_xmas | well, huh |
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| 23:24.44 | Foxbot | > Done [Null]. Starting [Block 14503]. |
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| 23:25.09 | pcj | !sup |
| 23:25.12 | foxlit | Well, almost |
| 23:26.45 | Sky2042_xmas | my mother's so confusing... |
| 23:28.20 | foxlit | > Done [Null]. Starting [Block 14503]. |
| 23:29.03 | foxlit | > Done [Null]. Starting [Block 14503]. |
| 23:29.13 | foxlit | Oh, fs |
| 23:29.21 | foxlit | !> Done [Null]. Starting [Block 14503]. |
| 23:29.42 | foxlit | And there was I thinking why they wouldn't sync |
| 23:30.44 | pcj | Definitely |
| 23:30.49 | pcj | You're such a 'tard |
| 23:30.56 | Foxbot | !> Done [Null]. Starting [Block 14503]. |
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| 23:31.36 | foxlit | Let's play "quickest wiki vandalism in the history of vandalism" |
| 23:32.24 | Sky2042_xmas | foxlit: what... are you doing? |
| 23:32.47 | Sky2042_xmas | and you failed. |
| 23:32.52 | Sky2042_xmas | the tooltips are stretched. |
| 23:33.19 | foxlit | I'm aware of that |
| 23:33.19 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Recentchanges&hidebots=0&limit=150 |
| 23:33.19 | Sky2042_xmas | why are they stretched? :( |
| 23:33.31 | Sky2042_xmas | and what happened to fixing the categories they were in? :( |
| 23:33.57 | pcj | !sup |
| 23:34.17 | foxlit | Sky: that'd take too much effort on my part |
| 23:34.40 | pcj | damn those are stretched |
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| 23:35.44 | foxlit | There are 40 blocks of 500 pages |
| 23:35.51 | Sky2042_xmas | why again are we stretching them? |
| 23:36.03 | foxlit | We aren't |
| 23:36.11 | Sky2042_xmas | oh? |
| 23:36.35 | Sky2042_xmas | and why pass the parameter to the pages? :/ |
| 23:36.35 | foxlit | It'll go away in an hour or two |
| 23:36.37 | foxlit | !jobqueue |
| 23:36.39 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 125 doing ~1.3 job/s, done in approx. 1min 36secs. |
| 23:36.46 | pcj | why is http://www.wowwiki.com/Bonecaster%27s_Cape so small |
| 23:37.28 | Sky2042_xmas | because they fail at wiki coding? >.> |
| 23:37.38 | Sky2042_xmas | because home= hasn't been changed yet? |
| 23:37.49 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 23:37.51 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 113 doing ~1.2 job/s, done in approx. 1min 34secs. |
| 23:37.54 | foxlit | Because rather than using the jobqueue, the wiki just attempted to live-fix the Tooltip change |
| 23:38.04 | pcj | loool |
| 23:38.06 | Sky2042_xmas | becausethe jobqueue is borken |
| 23:38.36 | pcj | actually i bet every submission foxbot does helps the jobqueue along |
| 23:38.48 | foxlit | It's probably throttled |
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| 23:39.59 | foxlit | Someone might as well prepare to welcome foxbot to the 25k club |
| 23:41.11 | Sky2042_xmas | lol |
| 23:42.37 | pcj | is it processing all items or just everything with {{tooltip}} |
| 23:42.49 | foxlit | Everything with elinks-item |
| 23:43.34 | pcj | what about those yet-to-be-disambigged pvp reward items with multiple elinks-item |
| 23:43.38 | pcj | and multiple tooltips |
| 23:44.14 | foxlit | Theoretically not a problem |
| 23:44.19 | foxlit | Practically, we'll see |
| 23:44.42 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 23:44.43 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 672 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 11mins 12secs. |
| 23:45.49 | Sky2042_xmas | why again are you passing the parameter of {{{arg|}}} to each page? :/ |
| 23:46.19 | foxlit | Because I want to :) |
| 23:46.29 | Sky2042_xmas | foxlit: fails as a reason |
| 23:46.29 | foxlit | Because there is no other way to get it into tooltip |
| 23:47.23 | Zeal | still think it's silly how you've done the item page code for home. |
| 23:47.39 | Sky2042_xmas | i think it's silly you have to pass arg to get your code in. :/ |
| 23:47.53 | Zeal | hm? |
| 23:48.07 | pcj | i think it's silly that you have to use foxbot to update all the pages instead of doing it manually |
| 23:48.18 | foxlit | I think it's silly that there are no fireworks outside |
| 23:48.21 | Sky2042_xmas | pcj: that too. we have too many item articles. |
| 23:48.28 | Sky2042_xmas | foxlit: also agreed. |
| 23:49.29 | foxlit | If wiki drops sessions, though, I'm so doomed |
| 23:49.38 | Zeal | lol |
| 23:49.43 | Sky2042_xmas | ... |
| 23:51.02 | foxlit | About 200 more edits from each instance before anything interesting is scheduled to happen |
| 23:53.17 | Sky2042_xmas | oh? |
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| 23:55.57 | foxlit | Hm, Zeal, you're actually right |
| 23:56.18 | Zeal | shock horror! about what might i ask? :P |
| 23:56.19 | pcj | boy, bet you thought you'd never say that |
| 23:56.49 | foxlit | home |
| 23:57.00 | foxlit | It's mainly there to make tooltip code pretty |
| 23:57.32 | Zeal | :S |