IRC log for #wowwiki on 20071105

00:00.20Percepheneanyway clearly ive wasted enough of your time here
00:00.36Percepheneshame we couldnt discuss this =S
00:02.43zealErm.. from what i've been told before, he was correct to have it in the main namespace pcj
00:03.07ZealAnd his is as famous as the other nubs, which are consiered excepections from the policy.
00:03.09Percephenei DID check with an admin first
00:03.20PercepheneKirkburn said it was fine to be in mainspace
00:03.29Percephenety Zeal :)
00:04.14ZealThough tbh with you, i don't liek the alternate article
00:04.20Percephenefair enough
00:04.24Percephenenot everyone does
00:04.47Percephenebut i feel strongly that the more warlockian side to the story has to be portrayed
00:05.21Percephenethe warlock community rever him in a manner akin to an NPC and that isnt really dealt with in the main article
00:05.23Zealwell it's just merely silly/fan fiction when i read it last. The other one is more informative.
00:05.42Percepheneyes it is silly, hence the [Category:Silly] :P
00:06.12KirkburnI fear I have missed a big dicussion :P
00:06.36Percephenenot really big
00:06.37Zeali see Alamo has been moved too
00:06.41Percepheneyeah :(
00:06.58Percephenebut Leeroy Jenkins (video) has not
00:07.17Percepheneimo Alamo and Kralnor are on the same level as leeroy
00:07.26KirkburnWW:PA doesn't apply to notable articles
00:07.27Percephenemore so imo because they are funnier but thats subjective
00:07.44Percepheneyeah i guess thats the question though, how do u determine how notable they are?
00:07.49KirkburnWW:FANFIC applies to all fan fiction though
00:08.01Percephenewell my article wasnt meant to be fanfic
00:08.09ZealLeeroy->Leeroy Jenkins (video), Leeroy Jenkins->TCG Article
00:08.17Percepheneobviously it hasnt made the point well
00:08.31Percephenebut its meant to more accurately represent how warlocks rever Kralnor
00:08.47Percephenethe main article is reality: it was probably some silly illiterate kid
00:08.57Percephenebut mine is meant to show how warlocks took the ball and ran with it
00:09.14Percephenewaaaaay past the point of sillyness :P hes an icon now
00:09.46Percepheneive had really good feedback from my article both on warlock forums and just randomly ive found threads on the EU forums about it
00:10.01Percepheneergo i feel it deserves to be in mainspace.
00:10.08Zealffs.. stop calling pet buffs, pet food. if you wanna do that, actually make it food, argh.
00:10.14Percephenebut if im the only one who agrees then ill shut up
00:10.19Zealstupid blizz..
00:11.05KirkburnPercephene, I wouldn't worry too much, links to your article as still as valid as they ever were, it's just a change in article position
00:11.26foxlitCan someone think of a better way of presenting that?
00:11.42ZealI don't like the ww policies, so i won't go there. All i say is famous things like that, that have been recognised and played along with by blizz have always been in the main namespace.
00:12.08PercepheneKirkburn: thanks. im used to another wiki were userspace is basically your own personal sandbox and articles arent considered "real" til they are in the main space. therefore to have mine moved to userspace is very upsetting
00:12.12KirkburnZeal, Kralnor is in the main namespace, Percephene's riff on that is a PA
00:12.26Percepheneno kralnor got moved to server space
00:12.31Percephenewhich was my initial question
00:12.32ZealKralnor isn;t
00:12.35Percepheneim fighting for both :P
00:12.39Zealaye, been moved :p
00:12.39Percepheneneither is alamo
00:12.51KirkburnEr, well I disagree with the Kralnor and Alamo moves :/
00:13.27PercepheneKirkburn: it was actually you who told me to put my article (the alternative one) in mainspace all those months ago :P
00:13.38Zealfoxlit, how about ";Title:Quote" instead of "Title*Quote" ?
00:13.43Percephenei wouldnt expect u to remember but i came into irc and asked and u were very nice and helpful :P
00:13.55Percephenei always remembered that ^_^
00:13.58foxlitZeal: would help, but still too large
00:14.03KirkburnServer articles are for those *only known to that server*
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00:14.17KirkburnAlamo and Kralnor are known to half the population of WoW :P
00:14.23Zeal<div style="font-size: 0.85em;"></div> ;)
00:14.35KirkburnAnyway, moved back :)
00:14.37PercepheneKirkburn: agreed :D
00:15.23ZealAm i only one who doesn't like the new volley?
00:15.30Zeal*the only
00:15.31foxlitZeal: font size is cheating :)
00:15.37KirkburnI don't understand how it works
00:15.41Zealwell atleast it's not a table, lol.
00:15.45KirkburnVolley is still channelled, right?
00:15.52Zealjust a new animation
00:15.52foxlittables are good, mmkay :)
00:16.01KirkburnThen I don't understand how the animation works
00:16.08Zealfor tabular data, sure ;)
00:16.16KirkburnFrom the MMO-Champion pics it looks like it had to be a certain length
00:16.23KirkburnArcing up and down
00:16.38Zealfires up out of your head, and curves down to where you targeted.
00:16.49Percephenewell im glad we got that sorted
00:17.01KirkburnHow does it interrupt though, Zeal ?
00:17.05Percepheneso just to sum up, my article got the big ole thumbs down on mainspace?
00:17.13Zealsame as always, the spell hasn't changed afaik.
00:17.23KirkburnCan it be a meek, small thumbs down?
00:17.36Percephenedunno ill ask my wounded pride :P
00:17.40KirkburnZeal, no, I mean, how does the animation interrupt
00:17.53Zealprobably just ends, like the rest of them.
00:18.06Zealand repeats until it's done.
00:18.35Zeali apologize for calling you "he" ;)
00:18.42PercepheneErm nope, thats a big ole thumbs down
00:18.54PercepheneZeal: thats ok. its usually a safe assumption :P
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00:19.40Percephenewell we had a good run article
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00:19.49Zealto me, it still seems like mostly fan fiction, less factual and informative. I'd probably try and shrink it down and put it in the main article to summerize how people view him now.
00:20.54Percephenei guess the aim was that the voice of the article is IC, assuming that the information contained IS factual because they believe it to be so
00:21.06Percephenethe humour is in the length
00:21.11Percepheneat least it was meant to be
00:21.15Percephenesince he posted only a few lines
00:22.01moveaxIs there a PvP Healer build for Priests, or should I just use the raid healer setup?
00:22.12Percephenethere definately is
00:22.22moveaxNot on the wiki :(
00:22.37Percephenei thought u meant in general :P
00:24.58Percephenesurely there would be one on the priest forums?
00:25.01Percephenea cookie cutter one
00:25.14moveaxcookie cutter?
00:25.21Percephenecookie cutter build
00:25.24Percepheneie a generic one
00:25.59KirkburnBasically what Blizz try to avoid, but exist anyway
00:26.12Percepheneyeah thems the ones :P
00:26.19Percephenelike SL/SL
00:26.33moveaxWell, there is no "cookie cutter" PvP healer build on the wiki,so I guess the rad healer one will do
00:26.51Percephenethats what i meant, grab one from the priest forums
00:26.58Percepheneor from any of the top arena rated priests
00:27.10Percephenei know my 2v2 priest uses a fairly std one but slightly tweaked
00:27.36pcj"fairly std"
00:27.45pcjyour priest spreads aids?
00:27.50Percephenestd = standard
00:27.57Percepheneand i shud hope not!
00:28.56PercepheneFrom google search on "Warlock wiki" - This is the official Warlock wiki. Below you'll find information pertaining to our efforts in reverse-engineering Simutronic's XML protocol
00:31.18Percepheneperhaps my fellow warlocks will know of a place that will better suit my article =S
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00:37.18KirkburnPercephene, it's not as if we're banning your article :(
00:37.26Percephenei know
00:37.43Percephenedid you see the message i wrote to you further up about namespace/userspace
00:37.43KirkburnActually, one sec
00:38.00Percephenewhere i come from userspace = "not a real article"
00:38.06Percephenemain space = "real article"
00:38.12Percephenethats why it upset me
00:38.43Percepheneand finding a more receptive audience would probably be in my best interests :P
00:39.17KirkburnAh, here it is
00:39.18Kirkburn"Authors can move them back if they wish to surrender control over the page. Make a note on the talk page that this is indeed the case so it does not get moved again."
00:39.33Percepheneyeah i read that part
00:39.55Percepheneas i said earlier i dont want to hold onto complete control of the article, im aware of the nature of wikis
00:40.01KirkburnWhich, given how its written supports moving the article back
00:40.22Percephenebut u were all saying it was fanfic and therefore didnt belong in mainspace?
00:41.01KirkburnWell, exceptions can be made, and I just reread your article
00:41.32KirkburnThe reason why it almost always cannot be in the main namespace is due to the possibility of confusion and conflict
00:41.39Percephenewell ty for taking the time, i know its no small job reading it lol
00:41.46KirkburnHowever, in the case of the Kralnor article, that's obviously not true
00:42.30Percepheneno its quite clear which is the "real" article :P
00:42.48KirkburnIt's a fun article feeding off a forum phenomenon, so isn't fan fiction in the sense of making up Warcraft characters (which is the main reason we have the policy)
00:43.06Percepheneprecisely :)
00:43.23Percepheneif it were about my own characters id have no issue with the fanfic title
00:43.28KirkburnThus, I reckon it could be moved back - and for the fact that your are evidently very passionate about it, which is great to see :)
00:43.40pcjomfg kirkburn
00:44.08Percephenehmm it seems that your ruling might upset some
00:44.25Percephenei can kinda see their point
00:44.45Percephenebut they werent exactly sensitive in the discussion with me
00:44.49moveaxIs there a cloth PvP healing set you can earn, or just DMG?
00:45.06Percephenebg or arenas?
00:45.11Percepheneim certain there are both
00:45.29moveaxBGs would be nice, but I haven'texplored Arenas yet, so I might even enjoy them.
00:46.02PercepheneKirkburn: ill leave the decision in your hands. i wont be *too* crushed if u stick with the earlier decision to leave it in userspace, since it seems im alone in this battle :P general consensus > all
00:46.10KirkburnThere's not much I can do if it annoys pcj, moving Alamo and Kralnor were certainly not move candidates.
00:46.26Percepheneand id rather not offend a user who is clearly more regular and active than myself
00:46.40Percepheneor perhaps we could have a vote
00:46.51Zealnoo, vote bad!
00:47.05KirkburnStarting a discussion on the talk page might work
00:47.11Percephenewhy Zeal ?
00:47.26PercepheneKirkburn: do u really think it would get enough traffic to come to a consensus?
00:47.31Percepheneim guessing not
00:47.41Zealdemocracy bad!
00:47.54Zeali'll let Kirkburn fill in the details.
00:48.03Zealhas the vote tempalte been removed yet btw?
00:48.29KirkburnVotes are generally a bad idea as you can get quite stupid decisions from them :P
00:48.44Percepheneheh i guess so
00:48.48KirkburnLike "let's reduce the external links template to just show Wowhead"
00:48.51Percepheneuncyc is way more vote based
00:49.05Percephenebut then ppl being vote whoring
00:49.12Percepheneand that kinda skews things anyway
00:49.13Zealor like "Let's listen to zeal" ;)
00:49.37Zealhow did i get logged out of wikipedia :s
00:50.14KirkburnAnyhoo, Percephene, if it doesn't get visits, the Village pump and here can be used to get people posting :)
00:51.10Percephenewell its up to you if you want to put it to a vote. i dont know that user or how much of a problem u overruling them might cause
00:51.37Percepheneim happy to go with whatever u decide but i dont really have the time to actively promote a vote on an article of neglible interest to the wowwiki community :P
00:53.17KirkburnGenerally I don't like disappointing anyone - consensus > leaving someone high and dry
00:53.26Percephenei agree
00:54.02ZealTbh, of al lthe palces that article could go, i think the main namespace is the right choice.
00:54.25Percephenethat pcj person seemed to be pretty unyielding in their defense and invocation of policy which is why i have less sympathy than i could have
00:54.48Percepheneif they had been willing to DISCUSS it with me without just quoting policy at me then i might have taken it with better grace
00:54.58Percephenety Zeal :)
00:55.05Percepheneshall we tally the votes then ;P
00:55.07Zeal <-- could probably use some levels adujustments and clean up tbh.
00:55.55Percepheneyeah the obvious gutter on the right needs cropping off too
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00:57.39Percephenenewsbot = teh smex imo
00:58.09Adysafter the amount of bs wowinsider throws every day
00:58.19Adysim happy to have a newsbot break with some wowblues restart msgs
00:58.41AdysKirkburn: did you see :P
00:59.05Adysi got it on a mass ptr datamining and wowinsider is making hell out of it
00:59.18Adystomorrow ill hear OMG SO PEEP THE PHOENIX IS REAL?!
00:59.35Percepheneomg peep the phoenix is real?!
00:59.41Adystomorrow i said
01:00.06Percepheneoh sorry :P
01:00.14Percephenedoh i forgot the allcaps too
01:05.19Adyspeople are dumb
01:05.29Adys like that guy
01:05.36AdysITS ORIGINAL
01:08.13Adyscan you call an array from inside an array?
01:08.44Dottedi jest felt like saying no
01:08.53foxlitThat's not "call" :)
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01:08.58moveaxdepends, is blaharray[12345] return an int?
01:09.07Adysyes, int only
01:09.09moveaxand what language?
01:09.11foxlitkicked from the chat room by Adys. (Adys)
01:09.26foxlit"kicked from the chat room by Pickachu. (PIIIIIKAAAAA!)"
01:09.28moveaxI haven't studied LUA sorry, but I believe it's possible in language such as C#
01:09.54moveaxand yeah, you're not calling an array there heh
01:10.00foxlitYes, adys, you can do what you want.
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01:10.13moveaxyou're merely using the valud of an arrayies guiven index to get the value at abother array's index
01:11.54Lukian"I recently used the name change to turn my Druids old name of 'Autumnbear' to 'Spiritkeeper'."
01:12.30foxlitAnd that worked?
01:12.38foxlitThought composite names were against naming policy
01:13.17Lukianon RP? probably
01:13.17Lukianon pvp/normal realms anything goes
01:13.28Lukianthere's a "soulofsatan" in our alliance :p
01:13.46foxlitThat's not really "anything goes"
01:13.53foxlitThat's just "we don't check until people complain" :)
01:14.06Lukianyeah that's what I meant :p
01:14.17foxlitThey don't check names on RP servers either
01:14.37moveaxAdys: - I think that's what you're trying to do. My C is rusrty though.
01:14.47moveaxbahm bloody space
01:14.53Adyskinda yeah
01:14.56Adysbut i got it working :P
01:15.00foxlit"Religions or Religious Figures"
01:15.13moveaxAdys: Cool :)
01:15.19AdysJësus invites you to join the guild "Christianity"
01:15.48foxlitBut you're right "Partial or Complete Sentences (Does not apply to Guild Names)" clause is RP-Only
01:15.48foxlitSo is
01:15.48foxlitReal World References
01:15.48foxlitContain "Leet" or "Dudespeak"
01:15.48foxlitImmersion breaking titles
01:16.19Lukianlol Adys
01:24.38Zeal <-- better, no?
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01:27.01foxlitIs the guy missing an arm?
01:29.12Zealhe's pointing, just he's pointing off page.
01:29.45foxlitPage cuts off his arm as well, or just the scan?
01:29.58foxlitOuch, poor guy
01:30.27Zeali did a very shoddy job on repairing the gutter, but oh well, it's definitely an improvement.
01:36.29Percephenewell i best be off
01:36.38Percephenety Zeal and Kirkburn for your help! :D
01:36.43Percepheneand for putting up with me ;P
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01:57.33kd3slowwiki is slow
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02:00.23pcjhas the wikia account integration occurred yet
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02:59.02dreamsshow many goblin towns in kalamidor?
02:59.50Sky2042gadget, ratchet, winterspring, sprocket... 4?
02:59.53pcjgonna be 3 in 2.3
03:00.04pcjoh 4
03:00.10pcjforgot ratchet :P
03:00.21Sky2042it's alright
03:00.25Sky2042that one's forgettable
03:01.18Olisonwhats sprocket? :o
03:01.40Sky2042uh, the new town that's gonna be in dustwallow
03:01.49Sky2042thats not the whole name/... um
03:02.11kd3it's on the front page in 2 different places
03:02.29dreamssi think its curious were gadgetzan abd bootybay are
03:02.43Sky2042dreamss: hmm?
03:02.53dreamssits 5 btw u guys forgot bb
03:03.05KuinKalabb is in EK
03:03.08Sky2042bb is in ek
03:03.15KuinKalayou red my mind
03:03.20Sky2042you read mine :P
03:03.53pcjguys you forgot area 52
03:04.07dreamssmeant to asy about non outlands goblin towns
03:04.22KuinKalabeing wise afterwards is easy :>
03:07.35Sky2042don't AoE grind then
03:07.51Sky2042single target is the way to go, imo
03:08.21KuinKalafast as hell with aoe but sucks :( </imo>
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03:17.38jenjenWhy does it suck, Kuin?
03:18.53Sky2042kirkbrun / Bagginsww / adys, need bannage plx
03:18.59kd3any admins on mind blocking koshin/ctravis?
03:20.23Sky2042you'd think we'd have more admins, for all the activity this lot has :/
03:20.38Sky2042gryphen, maybe?
03:21.45Sky2042gracias, senor
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03:30.16Sky2042Kirkburn: got a sock of one of them
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03:38.50Sky2042Kirkburn: and another sock (see upload log)
03:39.48Sky2042they really don't like him today :|
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03:40.26KirkburnHow slow are these people :/
03:40.50Sky2042i don't know... slow enough to use a proxy though :|
03:41.36kd3semi-protect the page, perhaps?
03:41.45Sky2042semi- won't work
03:41.54Sky2042unless they decided to go wheels style on us
03:42.32Sky2042i love how fandyllic is absolutely oblivious to it
03:43.49kd3anyone know the validity of ?
03:44.06Sky2042that one's fine i think
03:44.13kd3that's what I figured
03:44.21Sky2042his wp page says he worked on ultima
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03:55.28Sky2042kd3: well would you look at that. i expected to have to revert the guy:
03:59.07Sky2042and then that one got reverted :|
04:02.59Bagginswwsky tha tinfo really needs citations and links
04:05.59Sky2042that'd be hard to find. I doubt the info is incorrect; I'll see about digging it up on wowblues or something
04:06.23Bagginswwyes, I'm just saying without citaitons it may be better as something on the talk page
04:06.28kd3I still call that whole paragraph vandalism and want to get rid of it. if nothing else for the warrior-bias quote
04:06.44Bagginswwit seems un-encyclopedic imo
04:06.55Sky2042how else do you explain a bunch of unhappy warlocks?
04:06.57Sky2042Bagginsww: how so?
04:07.04Sky2042other than the fact it's lacking citations
04:07.12Bagginswwthe article should be his biography not why people hate him :)
04:07.32Sky2042uh... it isn't why people hate him
04:07.42Sky2042he made a silly post, and that's something to be documented
04:07.51Sky2042explaining the reaction is only natural
04:08.04Bagginswwway I read it it seems the warlocks are accusing him of being warrior-biased
04:08.12kd3I could rail on him for the "zomg dps" thread in the mage forum but that's not something that needs to go on the wiki
04:08.32Sky2042kd3: you could. and your probably should ;)
04:08.34Bagginswwif its silly it should be in its own article
04:08.36Bagginswwnot a main article
04:08.47Sky2042but it isn't silly. it was stupid too
04:08.52Sky2042it's like tseric's page
04:09.02Sky2042he said some stupid stuff, and was removed as a result of it
04:09.04Bagginswwstupid pages go under the sily or are delete
04:09.21Sky2042now, i doubt kalgan's gonna' be removed for saying stupid stuff, but the concept is the sae.
04:10.34moveaxHmm, well, as a new guy to the wiki, I don't find knowing about a post he did useful, or the fact he may be warrior biased
04:10.35Sky2042granted, citations would be best. but I actually remember seeing the post come up on IRc somewhere. I didn't take the time to read it, nor see what the responses were
04:10.38Bagginswwalso maybe if it was a 'trivia'' and was cited but only made up a very small part of the article, second to a biography it would be another thing too... But right now it gives the wrong message.
04:10.55Sky2042he's not quite the smartest person around/
04:11.08BagginswwNPOV much?
04:11.31Sky2042so fix the npov
04:11.37Sky2042documentation is never bad
04:12.00moveaxknowledge is never bad
04:12.15moveaxdocumentation is the formatting of the said knowledge
04:12.41moveaxand in this case, in my eyes the documentation contains details about a blizzard employee I care not to know.
04:13.04Bagginswwwithout citations it can also be viewed as slander
04:13.20Sky2042fine, i'll go dig up some citations for you
04:14.46Bagginswwanyways I'm just on a for a bit must get back to my research paper :p
04:19.03Bagginswwanyone have Last Guardian? the regular edition?
04:19.11Bagginswwnot the version in the archive
04:19.55Sky2042yeah, whatcha need?
04:19.56moveaxI'venot heard of it my self, what is it?
04:20.03Sky2042[[The Last Guardian]]
04:20.04[NewsBot]Sky2042 meant:
04:20.06Sky2042a book moveax
04:20.27Bagginswwthe bit on Morass Road
04:20.47Sky2042bagginsww: we have the quote
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04:21.20Sky2042which I don't know why that's biased against warlocks...
04:21.27moveaxAh so it's a book covering how everything started in the Azeroth universe?
04:21.36Bagginswwnot exactly
04:21.49moveaxJust a side story, or a side view of events?
04:21.56Bagginswwya more of a side story
04:22.06Sky2042an expansion on the normal story
04:22.18Bagginswwit doesnt' really cover the events of the first war.
04:22.33Bagginswwits more events that happen to the side of the first war, but connect into the first war
04:23.02BagginswwI think they should go back and do a pure first war book.
04:23.02moveaxCan you buy some nicely binded books on the original story? I'd like a nice set of books on it.
04:23.13Sky2042moveax ?
04:23.14moveaxi guess not heh
04:23.23moveaxwhat Bagginsww said
04:23.37moveaxEXcept I asked if they did have a book covering the first war and how everytihng started
04:23.41Bagginswwright now the most detail you'll get on first war events is really warcraft I ;p
04:24.04moveaxOK, a better question qould be, where do I buy books such as the one just listed?
04:24.11Bagginswwwell how "everything" started, "Rise of the Horde"
04:24.16Bagginswwbut that's only up to the opening of hte portal
04:24.23Bagginswwfrom the Draenor side of things
04:24.47BagginswwHorde's POV
04:25.10Sky2042moveax: there are several books you can buy detailing warcraft (and of course, the actual games and the pen and paper rpg). i'd just use amazaon and search for warcraft
04:25.26moveaxOKies thanks :>
04:25.34Bagginswwjust you wont' find a specific "Orcs and Humans" book
04:25.42moveaxI'm paying for a game monthly, playing it a few hours a day and I don'teven know the story that well
04:25.45Bagginswweven the RPG that chronicles the events of the first war aren't completely detailed
04:26.06Bagginswwya its kind of hard to tell the overall story from WoW alone
04:26.09Sky2042moveax: just read wowwiki :)
04:26.18Bagginswwthat too :)
04:26.28Sky2042what's that other blue archival site?
04:26.30Bagginsww[[History of the Horde]]
04:26.31[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
04:28.33Bagginsww but ya that needs the page number
04:29.41Sky2042yeah right... are we thinking when they went off to kill the orcs/
04:29.43BagginswwI think its in the chapter when Medivh, and Khadgar go out on gryphons and encounter a few orcs, and Lothar.
04:29.51Bagginswwya sky
04:30.16Zealwhen did ref get instlaled?! :o
04:30.24Sky2042Zeal: a while ago
04:30.32Sky2042in the vp archive somewhere
04:30.42Bagginswwya I always seem to screw up ref when It ry to use it :p
04:30.48Sky2042and in case you missed it, parserfunctions also installed
04:30.55Zeal<references/> l2xhtml
04:31.08Zealshould be <references />
04:31.10Sky2042not my problem
04:31.16Zeali know
04:31.28Zealback to anime.. *shakes fist at Adys*
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04:37.30Bagginsww what's that little tiny zeppelin?
04:37.50kd3the daily critter icon
04:37.58Bagginswwthere is a zeppelin critter?
04:38.59kd3[[Main Page/FC]]
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04:40.35KuinKala - "Certain gloves have the passive bonus "Immune to Disarm". Rather obviously, this means this skill will be useless against players with those gloves equipped."
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05:31.00LadySerenacongratulations, Blizzard
05:31.31LadySerenawith 2.2.3, you've made a client that my Mac absolutely can NOT handle
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05:49.55KuinKalamy honest guess; no, never
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06:57.43Shazam329someone using cosmos?
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06:59.12hurricane567does anyone have a bit to explain what "resilience rating" means?
06:59.16Sky2042Shazam329: try speaking with gryphen, possibly?
06:59.29Sky2042hurricane567, tried ?
06:59.40hurricane567let me see...
07:00.27Shazam329thx Sky2042
07:01.02hurricane567yeah, thats just what i was looking for, thanks
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07:01.34hurricane567#$%&ing shadow priest, eat #$% and die lol
07:02.00hurricane567unless hes undead does that work, exactly? ;)
07:02.36hurricane567thanks for the help, c yall around
07:02.40Sky2042Gael: hihi
07:02.52Shazam329Gryphen seems to be afk, anyone knows a link with a good tutorial to cosmos?
07:03.13Sky2042[[cosmos]] ?
07:03.15[NewsBot]Sky2042 meant:
07:03.30Sky2042other than that, i'd check out cosmos's main page
07:03.37Sky2042which can be found somewhere on that link
07:04.17Shazam329yeah I saw that tuto, but it dont tell how to open the earth feature menu..
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07:07.51Shazam329and I have a red box in up-middle of my screen I cant get rid of :(
07:09.44Shazam329the damage meter think
07:10.48Shazam329ok found it
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10:55.08doktoreashello everybody
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17:22.39kd3the wowtoolbox guys are back
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17:24.17kd3foxlit, Hobinheim, Teomyr ping. vandal alert
17:24.35foxlitwtb links :)
17:24.41kd3check RC
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17:25.55foxlitThat's 2 minutes ago
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18:28.06pcjisn't there some way you can block certain text from being posted
18:28.44ZizanzuYou can block users
18:29.40Kirkburn|sleepWell, I thought captcha was on now
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18:31.16kd3and another one...
18:32.03Kirkburn|sleepkd3, is captcha on now do you know?
18:32.24Kirkburn|sleep(if not I'm going to get annoyed)
18:33.13pcjno you don't know or no it's not on?
18:33.27kd3I just posted a test external link and didn't get a captcha request
18:33.34kd3so, it's not on afaik
18:37.53pcjanyone know if 2.3 is this week?
18:38.29Bodhilast update had been a month ago
18:38.48Bodhibut if 2.3 will be next I don´t know
18:39.16kd3tomorrow isn't happening
18:39.18kd3still too many bugs
18:39.25kd3probably 2 weeks out at minimum
18:42.33foxlitWe have no semi-protect option?
18:42.36kd3good freaking grief
18:42.42pcjsemi-protect is against anon users
18:42.51foxlitNew accounts
18:43.08pcjwell there is autoconfirmd
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18:43.27Kirkburnfoxlit, wouldn't help, it would just edit other pages
18:44.01foxlitThat's assuming it is human :)
18:44.06pcji wonder if you could do it wiki-wide until you find another solution
18:44.41kd3could the wikia guys run an ip ban? I've gotta assume they're all coming from the same netblock
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18:50.01KirkburnHey Jack
18:51.29Jack_Phoenixconfirmedit is installed
18:51.38Jack_Phoenixbut seems that someone forgot to *configure* it
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18:51.59pcjhi tenshi
18:52.13Tenshi[Mon-12:47:30] <+Kaso> it screws up on &amp;
18:52.16TenshiThanks, I'll fix that
18:52.29Kasoha ha
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18:53.00Kasohe can't be serious can he?
18:53.03pcjhow did he see it if he joined later
18:53.12Kasocos, he must have another client in the room to have seen it
18:53.13pcjunless we have a spy :o
18:53.29KirkburnTenshi, whoever you are, piss off
18:53.30Jack_PhoenixKirkburn: looking at , I find the situation odd...
18:53.48Jack_Phoenixas adding an URL triggers captcha by default
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18:54.26pcjmaybe it's not installed properly?
18:55.02Jack_Phoenixaccording to Special:Version, it is installed - don't ask me how properly :P
18:56.13pcjtry reinstalling?
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19:09.09kd3totally not related to the current spambot infestation...
19:10.24KirkburnEr, I have to wonder
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19:15.02AdysI dunno lol
19:15.19kd3lol, I linked that a few minutes ago
19:15.37Adysbha lol
19:15.45Adysyou wake up and your watchlist is that
19:16.18kd3kirk, is my reverting interfering with the block-based autoreverts?
19:16.36KirkburnNah, it's fine
19:17.15Kirkburnin fact, kd3, want to be an admin?
19:17.51kd3for the time being, it'd probably help the blocking go faster. >.>;
19:18.05Adysoverrun by spambots?
19:18.18Adysbleh ill try to stick around
19:19.41Adyskd3: you got a rollback link on the user contributions pages
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19:23.34dimehow do i report an article on wowwiki?
19:23.45pcjwhat article
19:23.48KirkburnWhat do you mean by "report"?
19:23.59dimeon the article:
19:24.07pcjwhat about it
19:24.12dimesomeone changed a bunch of the links to point to some wow toolbox site
19:24.17pcjyes we're on it
19:24.37Jack_Phoenixuniting codebases is not theoretically a big deal (tm)
19:24.57dimewhich tries to sell a "program" that modifies your char's stats, etc..
19:24.57Jack_Phoenixit shouldn't be in practice either :p
19:25.33Kirkburndime, aye, and the vandal is hiding on this channel :/
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19:25.46kd3ya. I sent an email to blizz about them the last time the spambots were running rampant on the wiki, if you see any pages at current that still show it, let us know. we think we got most of it taken care of
19:26.29[NewsBot]WoWBlues: S3 Personal Rating Cost -
19:26.32Jack_PhoenixKirkburn: kick / ban / kickban all non-trusted users...that's 'bout the only way to find out who it is
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19:26.53KirkburnKinda difficult
19:27.04Gryphonwont stop anything either
19:27.13dimehow do you know they're in the channel?
19:27.38KirkburnThey visited under another nickname and posted something from earlier in the chat
19:27.54pcjyou should start with adys, can't trust the french
19:28.02dimewell anyways.. i just came in to mention that article in case it was something new and you guys hadn't noticed.. gl removing it
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19:28.35dimeoh.. one more thing... have you guys considered putting in some code so wowwiki can't be loaded from other pages?
19:28.35AdysKirkburn: anyone can pop up and quote kaso saying "thanks ill fix that" :P
19:28.43Adyshell i'd have done it if i thought about it
19:28.52Kasoadys, im more suspious
19:29.06KasoHe PM'ed me later saying he'd fixed the bug
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19:29.22Kasoalso his IP resolved to the same area (tx USA) as the website ip resolves to
19:29.37Adysfair enough
19:29.39KirkburnI know, let's ban Texas
19:29.49dimewhat i mean is... all those keyloggers that get posted on the wow forums, and they basically go to a page that loads the javascript, then loads wowwiki... it might make people think you guys are responsible.. or it might make them not even suspect something bad just happened to their computer
19:29.55*** mode/#wowwiki [+b t=texas*!*@*] by Adys
19:30.18*** mode/#wowwiki [-b t=texas*!*@*] by Adys
19:30.27Jack_PhoenixAdys: /ban *!*@*italia*
19:30.32Jack_Phoenixcan't trust the Italians ;-)
19:30.38Kirkburndime, not heard of that before :/
19:31.15Cometstyleshehe..ask Jack_Phoenix  ;)
19:31.21*** mode/#wowwiki [-b *!*@*italians*brits*usa*everything_that_is_not_french*and_all_the_*] by Adys
19:31.28Adysshit, too long.
19:31.28dimeumm.. i could go try to find one... bear in mind it's a malicious link... you're safe with firefox/noscript though
19:31.28KirkburnTenshi, given that you probably are here - do you not see how pointless this is?
19:31.48*** mode/#wowwiki [+b *!*@*italians*brits*usa*everything_that_is_not_french*and_all_the_*] by Adys
19:31.49CometstylesTenshi's ISP >>
19:31.55Kirkburndime, no, no need
19:31.56pcjsurrender the hostages and nobody will get hurt
19:32.04*** mode/#wowwiki [-b *!*@*italians*brits*usa*everything_that_is_not_french*and_all_the_*] by Adys
19:32.26pcjadys is acting suspicious
19:32.36Adysstfu n00b
19:33.12Kirkburn"<Tenshi_> Need to test admin responses as well, I've fixed quite a few bugs thanks to you guys." >_>
19:33.12Jack_PhoenixI wish WoWWiki had janitors... >_>
19:33.15Adysi wonder if i could get him to pay me to vandalize the main page !
19:33.52dimewell, i've seen probably about a dozen of them.. i'm surprised you guys haven't.. it goes to a link that's masked to look like a picture file... then it loads the keylogger javascript from that site, then it just loads the front page of wowwiki
19:34.24Adysand yeah dime is right most kls are like that
19:34.28[NewsBot]WoWBlues: Blade Vendor Selling Mounts…Huh? -
19:35.09AdysI could even see the Food Vendor selling them; since they appear to be herbivores, the vendor might be able to lure them in with fruit (or maybe some Halaani Whiskey).
19:35.25Adysevery fucking day you think you saw everything but noooo
19:35.52dimeanyways.. i'm out... gl guys... and gj...
19:36.05KirkburnSee ya
19:36.24Fisker-hi Adys
19:36.25Fisker-oh hi
19:38.29[NewsBot]WoWBlues: 2.3 Tomorrow! -
19:39.03pcjdatabase locked :(
19:39.04Adyshaha owned
19:39.11Adyslove drysc
19:39.38KirkburnEveryone take a break :)
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19:41.09Adyssorry its a reaction
19:41.10CometstylesKick the Onions ;)
19:41.11Jack_Phoenixjust ban *!*@gateway/tor/*
19:41.20Cometstylesor silence it ;)
19:41.25Jack_Phoenixthat's lame
19:41.34Jack_Phoenixit still allows them to /join/ the channel
19:41.38Jack_Phoenixa real ban doesn't
19:41.54Cometstyleswell some good users use TOR ;)
19:41.54Adyssilencing is lotsa fun when its some script kiddy random #451
19:43.56Jack_PhoenixCometstyles: there's a difference between tor (the proxy whoring thing as Uncyclopedians say) and TOR (wikia tech) :P
19:44.14Cometstyleswell TOR aint a good user :P
19:44.15KirkburnStrykar isn't the vandal guy - pretty sure he's been around a fair bit before >_<
19:44.24Cometstylesheh, there ;)
19:45.46KirkburnWhat is gateway/tor anyway?
19:45.59CometstylesThe Onion Republic  XD
19:46.08pcjgawd make up your mind
19:46.22Cometstylessilence TOR ..simple ;)
19:46.39Cometstylesand maybe ban users with no ISP ;)
19:47.23Jack_PhoenixKirkburn et al:
19:47.23Jack_Phoenix* Tenshi_ (n=Tenshi@ has joined #mediawiki.
19:47.33Jack_Phoenixsomeone get a k-line for this guy
19:47.54Cometstylespoke staffies on #freenode ;)
19:49.03Jack_Phoenix{{you do it}}
19:49.04[NewsBot]Jack_Phoenix meant:
19:49.13Jack_PhoenixI did NOT mean that.
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20:46.32[NewsBot]WoWBlues: 4.5 million characters? -
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21:05.12KirkburnYay for [NewsBot] >_<
21:06.00KasoThis makes me sad for the state that england is in.
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21:08.17kd3like the same thing wouldn't happen in the states?
21:08.29KasoThats prob true
21:08.44Kaso"I phoned Camelot and they fobbed me off with some story that -6 is higher - not lower - than -8 but I'm not having it.
21:08.49KasoI just cant not laugh at that line
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21:54.01Zealrofl kaso.
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22:12.40winkillerwhy o why do draenei have to be so tentacley?
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22:27.44KirkburnKaso, ouch, just read that link
22:28.14Kasosorta makes you loose your faith in world
22:28.24KasoAre number lines that hard a concept to grasp
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22:40.37pcjyou forgot to add kd3 to kirkburn
22:41.30KirkburnDepends on whether kd3 is okay with staying that way :)
22:42.30KirkburnAdys ... who is Cor.gan?
22:42.52AdysCorgan is awesome you should meet him
22:43.14pcjhow do you wave confusedly...
22:43.37Kirkburno_O 7
22:43.47pcjthat's a salute
22:44.05KirkburnYeah, well, no backwards 7 exists
22:44.51KirkburnAlthough, er, that version might give the wrong impression
22:45.13Kirkburn7 o_O L
22:45.28Kirkburn^ Egyptian style
22:45.53KirkburnAlternatively, "I'm a little teapot" style confusion
22:46.23KirkburnCorgan, Adys voiced (+v) you earlier
22:46.35KirkburnI like to keep tabs on my minions
22:46.58pcjugh, halfway to exalted timbermaw
22:47.26kd3ick. I got to friendly and said screw it
22:47.47pcjgrinding through revered at level 70 is worse than anything
22:51.02KirkburnSooo maaanyyyy feathherrrsss
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22:51.52pcji have 250 left to get
22:53.25alieskyHello everybody!!!
22:53.50alieskyhi pcj
22:53.57alieskypcj: how are you?
22:54.01pcjgood, thanks
22:54.49pcjwhich one should i do after timbermaw
23:05.37KirkburnWoo, there's an Armory app for Facebook now :)
23:06.12KirkburnIt's called "I Play WoW" ... I've invited all WoW players I know for it
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23:19.15KirkburnUndertaker03, welcome
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