IRC log for #wowwiki on 20071028

00:00.20Sky2042anyones you haven't touched.
00:02.48piuI'll queue up Blasted Lands, Burning Steppes and Dun Morogh
00:04.36piuBlasted lands running now, 10 sec between pages (give it a couple mins)
00:05.03Sky2042sounds good
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00:06.07piuI'm going to dissolve some noobs now
00:06.40pcjk
00:07.04Sky2042piu: in what?
00:07.06Sky2042water?
00:07.08Sky2042:P
00:08.45Kirkburn*sigh* I have to kill every damn dragonkin before Eranikus
00:09.23pcjyeah lol
00:09.25pcjit's a bitch
00:10.19KirkburnI'd better not die on Eranikus himself
00:11.00pcjhe's a pushover
00:11.21Sky2042did they ever lower his level from 55?
00:11.46KirkburnNope, not yet
00:11.49Sky2042:/
00:11.53KirkburnProbably is in 2.3
00:11.55Sky2042have fun with that one
00:11.59Sky2042what level are you?
00:12.02Kirkburn70
00:12.05Kasoi remeber the first time i did sunken temple
00:12.11Kasoit was so awesome
00:12.14Sky2042well, that should be easy
00:12.22Kasowhen i saw that room full of dragons i was like "holy crap!"
00:12.26KirkburnGah, still more mobs to kill
00:12.36Sky2042Kaso: lol!
00:13.28KirkburnThis is only me second run of ST ever
00:14.21Kasoreally? wow
00:14.29Kasoits an awesome instance i like it very much
00:14.38Kasoif only for chained essense of eranikus
00:15.31KirkburnI'm going through doing every quest for every instance
00:15.40KirkburnST is how far I've got
00:15.49KirkburnAwesome, but confusing and long
00:16.02piuSky2042: I dissolve noobs in their own self-loathing
00:16.09Sky2042lol
00:17.01piublasted lands done, btw
00:17.52Sky2042noted
00:19.35KirkburnI also finished ZF earlier
00:19.53KirkburnAfter this, it leaves BRD >_<
00:20.00KirkburnMarshal Windsor ftw
00:20.17KirkburnBRD and LBRS may be pushing my limits though
00:20.28Sky2042what are you doing, soloing them?
00:20.31Kirkburnaye
00:20.48Sky2042brd shouldn't be a problem, i don't think
00:20.57KasoIve soloed BRD with my priest, but it was very very hard
00:21.06Kasoi died multiple times
00:21.23Kasoalso i had holy nova for the lyincum thingy
00:21.25pcji solo fel reavers
00:21.45KasoBRD would have been so awesome an instance, if it wasnt desgined like a complete maze.
00:21.54KasoWhen you have someone who knows the way around, it's really fun
00:22.11KirkburnEranikus down! :P
00:22.15Kirkburnomg, that was easy
00:22.16pcjI preferred UBRS in its day
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00:22.56pcjwow i feel like i'm in a staples commercial
00:22.58Kaso15men UBRS always made me want to suicide
00:23.25Kasowe did some 5man UBRS runs whilst we were doing Naxx, that was pretty fun
00:23.44pcjyeah
00:23.47Kasosome noob in our guild re-rolled and wanted attunements
00:23.56pcjtoo bad you can't solo it
00:24.11KirkburnHanding in the quests will take almost as long as the instance itself ><
00:24.30KirkburnCome level 80, we'll see
00:24.42KasoHave you done the whole egg/hakkar thing Kirkburn ?
00:24.47Kirkburnaye
00:26.22KasoI dont think ive ever seen a single pug do that
00:26.42KasoThe Chain Essense thing in ST makes the whole thing worthwhile
00:26.46Kirkburnlol, it's pretty easy due to the low aggro radius
00:26.53[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Cautiously cracking crowd control - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/27/cautiously-cracking-crowd-control/
00:26.56KirkburnFairly lucrative run, 44g + stuff for AH
00:27.13KasoI always wanted the purple robe that dropped in ST
00:27.47Kirkburnhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Dragon%27s_Call would have been pretty cool
00:28.20KasoOh man! 2.3 theyve turned the awesome healer robe into an even more awesome dps robe
00:28.25Kasobut poor healers :<
00:28.29Kasohttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=12462
00:28.38Kaso30 spirit would have been so awesome back in the day
00:31.15Sky2042wow
00:31.19Sky2042sweet robe now
00:31.25Sky2042still a little heavy on spirit
00:31.42KasoSpirit is great you non-priest heathen!
00:33.27KirkburnI've only ever had one, possibly two epics
00:33.33KirkburnTier 0.5 ><
00:34.15KirkburnIn fact, probably just the gloves
00:34.40KirkburnEr, ignoring mounts
00:35.27KasoI remeber when i was just starting wow, seeing transendance and thinking i'd never get anything close to that, then i remeber the feeling when i got my first transendance :>
00:35.33Kirkburnheh
00:35.59KirkburnHmm, are there any epic quest rewards?
00:36.18KasoDo you count the grindy quests like silithus?
00:36.30Kasohttp://www.wowhead.com/?item=21190
00:36.34Kasoi got that
00:37.03KirkburnPreferably not grindy :P
00:37.31KasoThat ring is still *the* ring to wear when aoeing almost
00:37.42Kasowhen you are aoeing mobs, you have constant 132 + dmg
00:38.19Adyshttp://www.wowhead.com/?forums&topic=1926&p=21255
00:39.10KirkburnGawd, if people keep extending the race links template eventually we'll have to say "Thrall's orc", "Mulgore tauren"
00:39.26Kirkburn"Gnomeregan gnomes"
00:39.34Adyssoon kaso =P
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00:40.35KasoKirkburn, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22700#reward-from
00:40.38Kasosorta ...
00:40.59Kirkburnlol Naxx
00:41.03Kirkburnpeasy ^^
00:41.08Kasoalso, http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21517 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21526 http://www.wowhead.com/?item=21527
00:41.12Kasofrom the AQ questline
00:41.19KirkburnI wonder if UBRS will be reasonable to solo at 80
00:41.45Kasofor paladins prob
00:42.56KirkburnWhy?
00:43.06Kirkburn<-- hunter
00:43.12KasoWell if any class can solo and instance it's a paladin imo
00:43.37KasoUBRS has too many large group pulls that you'd need effective aoe for
00:43.53KirkburnI was dealing with 6 mob pulls in ST
00:44.28KirkburnLevel difference should be similar
00:44.28Kasohttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/ring.jpg
00:44.34KasoGod i hated myself so much that day
00:44.54Kirkburnuh, k
00:45.11Kirkburnwhy?
00:45.28KasoSolo grinded that ring, and the CC rep.
00:45.52KasoI dispised every minute of the grinding, but i had nothing better to do in-game so i did it
00:46.52Kirkburn:)
00:47.38Kasohttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/Kaso2.jpg
00:47.50KasoThere's me all tier 1'd
00:48.31Kasohttp://img.photobucket.com/albums/v87/lntkaos/raggy.jpg
00:48.35KasoRawr, first raggy!
00:49.23pcjyou can never solo UBRS :P
00:49.30pcjthe first boss requires 3 people to summon
00:49.38KasoAh, that is very true
00:51.34Kirkburn><
00:51.50KirkburnAnd for soloing ZG, I guess we'll need level 90
00:52.56KasoWell ZG is more of an issue with Skull-bosses
00:53.11KirkburnSo, I'm left with BRS, BRS, Scholo, Strat, DM
00:54.29KirkburnWhich should I do?
00:54.39KasoBRS or BRS i think
00:54.52Kirkburn...
00:54.59Kaso"So, I'm left with BRS, BRS"
00:55.07Kirkburnlol
00:55.10KirkburnBRD ><
00:55.24Kasodo you know the way around brd well?
00:56.07KirkburnBeen there a few times, maybe 4 or 5
00:56.33KasoIf you're confident you wont get lost i'd do BRD
00:58.18KirkburnI've got to do some lead-in quests in Burning Steppes anyway
00:58.23Kirkburn(I think)
00:59.13KasoYou can easily hit the prison, the ring of law, Bael'Gar, Roccor up near the start, then move though to Darkvire, incendius, then i'd skip the bar bit and do a lava-jump through to the Lyceum, Magmus and Emp.
01:01.22KasoHey, clocks just went back
01:02.37KirkburnSo they did!
01:02.48KasoOct 28 01:59:14 <Kirkburn>(I think)
01:02.48KasoOct 28 01:00:04 <Kaso>You can easily hit the prison,
01:02.48KirkburnYou were a few seconds early though
01:02.57KasoMy Timestamps confused me for a second there
01:03.02Kirkburnhehe
01:03.14Kirkburnoh, WoW updated correctly
01:03.21Sky2042wait, is tonight daylight savings
01:03.22KirkburnDamn, would have liked to see that tick over :P
01:03.25Sky2042?
01:03.28KirkburnUK
01:03.30KasoIn the UK
01:03.35Sky2042pft
01:03.43Dottedhah
01:03.51Dottedthx for reminding
01:03.53Dotted;D
01:04.05Dotted[02:59:25] [+Kaso]: You can easily hit the prison, the ring of law, Bael'Gar, Roccor up near the start, then move though to Darkvire, incendius, then i'd skip the bar bit and do a lava-jump through to the Lyceum, Magmus and Emp.
01:04.06Dotted[02:01:33] [+Kaso]: Hey, clocks just went back
01:04.10Dotted;P
01:04.33KasoGood think i noticed, i've got a train to catch tommorrow and no doubt i would've arrived at the wrong time
01:04.53Kirkburn:O
01:05.49Dottedi need to get more tired tho
01:06.10Dottedwant to lucid dream
01:06.57Kirkburnlol
01:09.40Dottedits pwn, actually had one this morning
01:09.49Dottedonly for 2 seconds :(
01:11.09Sky2042http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaming
01:11.11Sky2042>.>
01:11.13Sky2042<.<
01:11.28KasoI like the Reality testing part
01:11.55Sky2042yeah, lol
01:11.55KasoI'd be quite bothered if i was ever in a situation where i had to manually check if it was reality or not
01:12.02KasoFor some reason that concept almost scares me
01:13.24KirkburnStrange, that
01:14.03DottedStrange?
01:14.21KirkburnThat Kaos would be scared that that
01:14.27Kirkburn*Kaso
01:14.37Dottedah
01:14.53[NewsBot]WoW Insider: One Boss Leaves: Princess Huhuran vs. Magtheridon - http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/10/27/one-boss-leaves-princess-huhuran-vs-magtheridon/
01:14.57KirkburnPartly why I don't drink much, I like to be in control
01:15.44Dottedgonna try the WILD method
01:15.50KasoIts not the loosing control, its the loosing control, but not knowing it. Im fine with being dreaming and totally un-control in the dream. But if im dreaming, but not aware of it, thats the botherthing thing
01:17.04Dottedbut if you are aware you'd be lucid dreaming
01:17.50KasoBut that article seems to suggest a situation where people think they are in reality, until they check and find they are in a lucid dream
01:17.58KasoThat'd be the bothersome period
01:18.10Dottednot for me tbh
01:18.37Dottedbecuase usualy dreams for me is like a movie that just plays you know
01:18.50Dottednot really tinking, hence not realizing its a dream
01:19.07Dottedi think thats what it means
01:19.33Dottedbut the situation you are reffering to would be akward yeah :p
01:20.48KasoI guess from a philosophical standpoint the dream thing edges too close to the un-disprovableably of solopism, which is always a worrysome fact
01:21.43Dottedyeah... my words exactly :/
01:22.08KasoYou should've just said "un-disprovableably" isnt a word you retard!
01:23.01Dottedim tireing myself, cant be bothered
01:23.18Kasosolopism is the concept that the whole world is simply a figment of your imagenation.
01:23.37Dottedw000000t there is a lucid wikia
01:24.13KasoThe "Brain in a jar" scenario.
01:24.46Dottedhttp://lucid.wikia.com/wiki/Shapeshifting \o/
01:25.10KasoBear form!
01:26.37Dottedwell i guess the emerald dream is an advanced form of lucid dreaming
01:28.00Dottedwhat the...
01:28.01DottedHere is an example of a FILD attempt:
01:28.02Dotted1. I wake up after three hours of sleep. I feel exhausted.
01:28.05Dotted2. I lay back and, using my middle and index fingers, alternate small motions between them. Middle finger press; middle finger lift. Index finger press; index finger lift. Similar to playing two keys on a piano.
01:28.07Dotted3. After about 20 seconds, I try a reality check. I find that I am in a dream.
01:33.03DottedWhen you are at work, and your boss appears to be a pink monster with tentacles, won't you at least start thinking that that is slightly strange? In real life, you would, but in a dream you don't. In a dream, everything that happens is absolutely normal.
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01:36.36Bagginswwhmm there is a new celtic style bar music?
01:37.15Bagginswwis it for the hollow's eve event?
01:37.20Bagginswwor did I just miss it somehow
01:37.42KirkburnInn music changed in 2.2 iirc
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01:38.10Bagginswwthey got rid of all the old inn music?
01:38.25Bagginswwor just add more variety?
01:38.30KirkburnNot sure
01:38.55Bagginswwhmm think its more variety
01:38.59Bagginswwits now playing somethign different
01:39.04Bagginswwstill celtic style
01:39.15Bagginswwneeds to rip the music out the game again heh
01:39.44Bagginswwsome of this new music is as kickass as the LOTRO inn music
01:40.33Bagginswwand there is alot of variety in the inn's in that game
01:40.37Bagginswwdepending on which racial area your in
01:40.47Bagginswwprobably about 8 songs per each race's inns
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01:41.47Kirkburnlol, I have a pumpkin for a head
01:42.38Bagginswwfrom trick or treating?
01:42.51KirkburnSomeone buffed me with it
01:43.14Bagginswwso ya I got some screenshots of a nude nightelf female on a broom its funny
01:43.48Bagginsww"Is that a broom or you just happy to see me" :p
01:43.54Kirkburnlol
01:47.44KirkburnKaso, any idea how much it costs to phone the US?
01:48.10KasoAlot :>
01:48.50Kirkburn:(
01:49.49KasoI'd prob be cheaper using skype than BT, i know that much
01:50.11Bagginswwthey probably completely removed the old inn music
01:50.20Bagginswwgood thing I have the soundtracks ;)
01:50.37BagginswwI like dthe updated version of the inn music with the TBC soundtrack
01:50.47Bagginswwwhere it segues into celtic style
01:50.55Bagginswwthe extended bit
01:52.31KirkburnYeah, me too
01:52.41KirkburnThey played that live at the Blizzcon concert :P
01:52.53Bagginswwawesome
01:53.13Bagginswwshame I wasn't aroudn for the rock concert ingame :p
01:54.00KasoKirkburn, 15p/min Daytime, 10p/min Off Peak
01:54.21KirkburnAh, not soooo bad
01:55.49KasoCambodia, East Timor and Wallis and Futuna are all £2/min
01:57.47KasoSkype is 1.4p/Min however for USA
01:58.41Kasohowever skype is pre-pay ofc
01:59.05Kirkburnhrm
02:00.00Kirkburnta for looking it up :)
02:00.25Kasohe, no problem
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02:17.09KirkburnYay Rahk'likh down!
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02:26.32Kirkburn>_<
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03:11.04Kirkburnhttp://andrius.esu.lt/10/go2.htm <-- fun
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04:08.33Bagginswwso the headless horsman's name is Thomas Thomson?
04:09.15Sky2042why?
04:10.00Bagginswwyou get his tome
04:10.05Bagginswwand it mentions his wife and children
04:10.58Sky2042what of it?
04:11.13Kirkburnlol - http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=248
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04:24.24Bagginswwawesome
04:24.29Bagginswwa little portal humor heh
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04:57.50Bagginswwsomeone should a Portal vs. World of Warcraft machinma
04:58.00Bagginswwoops chell just opened up into Azeroth
05:00.53Sky2042huh
05:11.40Zeal"back from "Out" after 12hrs 1min 29secs" lol
05:13.21Sky2042welcome
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06:18.58Bagginswwyou know its interesting but there were going ot be bearded dwarves in Warcraft Adventures LOL
06:19.26Bagginswwfemales I mean
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08:01.22VoluspaaGood morning!
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08:20.16Kirochihello
08:20.32KirochiI have a small problem, I have completely forgotten how to open the PTR
08:20.43KirochiI have downloaded and installed it
08:20.55Kirochibut I can't find out how to play on it
08:26.07Sky2042o_0
08:26.32VoluspaaHmm?
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08:27.05VoluspaaYou just start the game and select...
08:27.17VoluspaaPublic Test
08:27.17Sky2042Kirochi: http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/faq/ptr.html , specifically here https://www.worldofwarcraft.com/login/login?service=http%3A%2F%2Ftest.worldofwarcraft.com%2Fptr%2F
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09:16.02Kirochihey there
09:16.28Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Arthas_Menethil lol that page is in need of a gallery section, and a cut down on pictures in the main part of the article.
09:16.30Kirochihow can I play that damn f'n PTR ?
09:19.35KirochiBagginsww !!!!!
09:20.03Kirochiyou seem to be the only one here, help me goddammit
09:20.12Bagginswwwith?
09:20.13Bagginswwptr?
09:20.30Bagginswwdon't you have to download some installer?
09:20.59KirochiI have downloaded it
09:21.01Kirochifigures
09:21.10Bagginswwthen you ran it, and it didn't work :p
09:21.11KirochiI just can't find out how to open it now
09:21.18Bagginswwhmm
09:21.23KirochiI can't run it ! where's the f'n button?????
09:21.28Bagginswwit installs to its own folder I think
09:21.30Bagginswwif you can find that
09:22.03Bagginswwactually try the regular wow folder it might be under there, under patch test or something or other
09:22.12Bagginswwits been a while
09:22.25Kirochifor me too :(
09:22.54KirochiI'll go and try to install it again
09:24.11BagginswwI beat phantom hourglass awesome game
09:24.29Bagginswwstill have alot of junk to find though like the rest of the hearts, and ship parts
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09:44.58Kirochiawwww
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09:45.16Kirochimaybe it was because I didn't put the downloaded file in the WoW folder
09:45.33Kirochiit's bound to work now, or else I'll throw my pc out the window
09:45.43Corgancan someone shed some insight onto my situation
09:45.45Corgan[23:41:20] <Corgan> I had 9k honor saved up so far
09:45.45Corgan[23:41:29] <Corgan> about 41k estimated honor for the day
09:45.45Corgan[23:41:35] <Corgan> now, my honor just shot up to 50k
09:45.45Corgan[23:41:40] <Corgan> but my estimated honor is still at 41k
09:46.09Corgandid a UI reload, so it's not a UI bug
09:46.26CorganIs Blizzard just messing with my mind?
09:48.33Kirochino, it's just that you are way too confident in your UI manipulations
09:49.04Kirochilet it be, dammit, just like the 4 million people that play wow, everything needs time to be properly displayed
10:02.46KirochiA blessing! A blessing from the Lord!
10:02.49KirochiGod be praised!
10:03.04KirochiIt works goddaaammmmiiitttt
10:05.05Corgan:/
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10:13.15KirochiI'll ask a friend to set up the fight on a private server
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11:26.18VoluspaaAdys
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11:41.59VoluspaaHello?
11:45.21KasoAdys is asleep
11:45.29[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: What if Adun was one of the seven that form Ulrezaj? - http://www.blizzplanet.com/?act=News&id=1796
11:45.41KasoIt's 13:00 his bed-time
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11:46.33VoluspaaWhy is 13.00 his bed-time?
11:46.51Kasocos he lives a wierd sleep cycle
11:46.59Kasoawake through the night, then sleeps the next day
11:47.14VoluspaaReally? Because of his job?
11:47.24KasoI dont know why he does it
11:47.34VoluspaaWhat kind of job does he have?
11:47.51KasoDunno, i think he's still a student, but im not sure.
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11:48.48KasoAlls i know is i've quite often seen him going to sleep as i am getting up
11:48.56VoluspaaWell, shouldn't he be in class or something then? Or is he only doing this on Sundays
11:48.56Kasoeven though he's only 1hr + my timezone
11:50.08VoluspaaLet's ping him :)
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11:50.41Kasohaha
11:50.46Adys|sleepnn
11:50.49Kasonight
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11:56.46WoowaTesting
11:57.28WoowaHrmph... pinging was not a very good idea. I wonder if he has some kind of auto response program or something
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11:59.36WoowaWelcome back, Gimliii :)
12:01.03KasoVoluspaa i presume
12:01.29Kaso* Adys|sleep sets ban on *!*@213.167.96.*
12:01.29Kaso Adys|sleep has kicked Voluspaa from #wowwiki (Adys|sleep)
12:01.29Kaso<Adys|sleep> nn
12:01.29Kaso<Kaso> night
12:03.59WoowaNight night
12:05.03WoowaAnyway
12:05.24WoowaAnything interesting going on here?
12:05.39KasoNot much really on a sunday morning
12:05.42Kasomost are still sleeping
12:05.51winkiller1 pm :P
12:06.02winkillerstill most are sleeping
12:06.13KasoFor me sunday morning lasts till at least 3 pm
12:06.28Corgan:/
12:06.28winkillernah, 3 pm is lunchtime
12:06.45KasoHello there corgan
12:06.48CorganI managed to break my script :D
12:06.53KasoYay! how?
12:07.09WoowaIt's not 1 PM
12:07.22Woowa*Am
12:07.26WoowaNever mind
12:07.29Kasodifferent timezones.
12:07.29Corganwell...if the same item is required twice on different tiers
12:07.33Corganit screws it all up
12:07.33Corgan:(
12:07.44Kasoah i see
12:07.49CorganI think I have a fix for it tho
12:07.55WoowaWhat do you think about the movie I made?
12:07.59Woowahttp://youtube.com/watch?v=jxZRPGG1x8U
12:08.01KasoSo if you need 12 X bars, and 1 x tube, which requires 5 more x bars to make it doesnt like?
12:08.02CorganI think it sucks.
12:08.08Corganpretty much
12:08.08Corgan:p
12:08.27WoowaVOTE VOLUSPA 08! BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT's RIGHT! :P
12:08.30Corganlike, I have 4 icons for 20 adamantite ore at the bottom
12:08.44WoowaI think that's a great slogan
12:08.46Corganbecause adys changed the mats for the goggles around
12:09.03Corganit just kinda...messed it all up
12:09.15WoowaFrenchmen...
12:11.37KasoShould be too hard to fix though
12:11.46WoowaYes, I know.
12:11.54Kasoshouldn't even
12:12.27WoowaWhen Adys decides something it usually stays that way.
12:12.35Woowa;)
12:13.20WoowaIt rains...
12:13.47WoowaKaso, does it rain where you are from?
12:13.57KasoOften
12:14.03KasoThough not today
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12:14.44WoowaWhere are you from then? Bergen?
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12:15.11KasoNorway?!
12:15.19KasoIm from England, I live in Lancaster
12:16.00WoowaHmm, one of my friends told me you never go to England because of the weather. Didn't know he was right ;)
12:16.38KasoYou get used to it
12:17.07WoowaOf course.
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12:17.21WoowaIs it ture you have tea time every day?
12:17.35Woowatrue that*
12:17.49KasoI dont like tea, or coffe
12:18.28WoowaI agree. It's a poisonous, horrible thing to drink.
12:19.11KasoWhy do you keep double typing lines
12:21.54WoowaBecause I have to use this stupid IRC client
12:25.26WoowaDo you know what my favourite water is?
12:26.50Corganboy, you're really annoying aren't you.
12:27.19WoowaWater :P
12:27.30WoowaWhat now, Corgan?
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17:07.49Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Arthas_Menethil
17:07.54Bagginswwsome cleanup on the pictures
17:10.47KirkburnMorning
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17:14.29Bagginswwmorning
17:14.32Bagginswwdid you get my message?
17:22.48KirkburnBagginsww, yep
17:23.05KirkburnSo, the policy is back to saying sentence case categories
17:23.25KirkburnThe whole thing of changing it to Title Case was an accident in the first place ><
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17:23.53Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Sylvanas_Windrunner cleaned up that page a bit
17:24.07BagginswwI think it fixed some formating issues caused by the positions of the artwork
17:24.20Bagginswwat least on a widescreen ;p, can't judge for anyone else
17:27.46Kirkburnheh
17:28.00KirkburnLooks good
17:29.19Bagginswwand I switched the ugly tcg picture out for the color version from manga
17:29.33Bagginswwwhile manga is a bit exaggerated at least she looks more aesthetically pleasing :p
17:30.13BagginswwI'd have gone for metzen for more realistic look, and still maintained aesthetically beatiful appearance, but people don't like it.
17:36.46BagginswwOne wonders if Arthas has looked at himself in a mirror snce he became a death knight ;)
17:39.58Bagginswwkirkburn if you see any of those ugly statistic blocks on any character pages can you move them to their own articles :p
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17:40.26BagginswwI still run across themf rom time to time :p
17:40.52Bagginswwthey are especially ugly if they take up more than half an article, :p
17:42.36KirkburnWonder when Night of the Dragon will be released
17:43.04KirkburnIt kinda needs to be pre expansion or coinciding with it
17:43.34Bagginswwheh
17:43.38Bagginswwya
17:43.41Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Sylvanas_Windrunner#Her_Mount
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17:48.22Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Malfurionarchive.jpg I know its a young version of malfurion, but would there be any obligations to it replacing the rpg screenshot in the npcbox? I like the rich use of colors.
17:49.22KirkburnIt's not really very high quality
17:49.41Bagginswwhmm did my upload work?
17:49.45Kirkburnoh wait
17:49.49Bagginswwor you looking at your cached verison
17:49.53KirkburnOh, much better
17:50.13BagginswwI cut it from the Trinity shot at Sons of the Storms
17:50.20KirkburnLooks good :)
17:50.53Bagginswwimo its the best color shot of Malfurion we have yet, even if its only young mal.
17:51.32Bagginswwoh ya and I updated the shot of young Illidan too
17:51.38Bagginswwfrom the same artwork
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17:54.15Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Malfurion_Stormrage
17:54.19Bagginswwswitched em
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18:08.10KirkburnOoh, Zeal will be pleased - hardware sound is back on the PTR
18:09.16KirkburnIf it stays with 4k honor for that daily BG quest, hell I might even get some good gear finally
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18:16.29foxlitAnd which gear is that?
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18:28.26Sky2042Kirkburn: i thought i got everything on the page last night :|
18:28.38Kirkburn:P
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18:42.58Sandwichman2448Yeah.
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18:57.20Sky2042_dotted, you suck
18:57.49Dottednot really no
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18:58.05Sky2042_yes: http://www.bxd.dk/irc/freenode/wowwiki_page_2.html has people who are the same people
18:58.09Sky2042_but different names
18:58.22Dottedthen they suck
18:58.28pcjit also thinks kalroth is adys
18:58.36Sky2042_lol
18:58.39Kalrothw5tf
18:58.44Bagginswwso sky what changed did you do to welcome template?
18:58.45KalrothI'm NOT some dirty frenchy
18:58.58Bagginswwbefore I ask about a suggestion :)
18:59.11Sky2042_Bagginsww: changed a redirect to the main page
18:59.15Bagginswwahh
18:59.21Bagginswwok here is my suggestion
18:59.25Bagginswwor rather a question
18:59.31Sky2042_hoboy
18:59.47Sky2042_'
18:59.52Dotted!8ball Is Kalroth a dirty frenchy?
18:59.53[NewsBot]Dotted: Cannot predict now.
19:00.03Sky2042lol
19:00.11Sky2042yar baggins?
19:00.14BagginswwIs there anyway to make the welcome template automatically use the name of the person in hte page, without having to manually type in {{Welcome|User:}}?
19:00.15Kalroth:(
19:00.36Sky2042Bagginsww: can you clarify?
19:01.52Bagginswwwell I mean instead of having to type out {{Welcome|Baggins}} if you could just type {{Welcome}} and have it look at the name of the player based on the User: page.
19:01.59Bagginsww*user
19:03.12Bagginswwonly thing I know of, might work would probably just end up saying "Welcome, User talk: Baggins", :p
19:04.16KirkburnBagginsww, er, the name bit is for YOUR name, not the person you're welcoming :P
19:05.10Sky2042thought so
19:05.11KirkburnAnd that's for {{signedwelcome}}, in any case
19:05.17Sky2042Bagginsww: was trying to confuse me!
19:05.54Bagginswwhuh I thought we were talking about the one that you use to welcome people in their talk pages :p If you leave it blank it just says "Welcome to Wowwiki blah blah"
19:06.04Bagginswwif you put in {{Welcome|}}
19:06.17Bagginswwit says Welcome, "name" to wowwiki blah blah"
19:06.28Sky2042it should already be doing that
19:06.55Kirkburn"Hello, '''{{BASEPAGENAME}}''', and welcome to..."
19:06.57Sky2042from the coding: Hello, '''{{BASEPAGENAME}}''', and welcome to
19:07.00Kirkburnlol
19:07.44Bagginswwlol
19:09.08Bagginswwits working then, guess someone changed it since I last used it LoL
19:14.27Bagginswwbtw, I absolute love the gallery template, its so nice for fixing pages that too much artwork that screws up the text on the page :).
19:14.39pcj<gallery> works better
19:15.13Bagginswwthat's what I'm talking about
19:15.22BagginswwI love that
19:15.23pcjthat's not a template
19:15.27Bagginswwwhatever it is
19:15.45Sky2042we call it a "magic word"
19:15.55Bagginswwoh, heh.
19:20.57pcjhttp://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Time_Stamp
19:23.39KirkburnSky2042, if you come across pages you want to edit that are locked, please mention it :)
19:24.03Sky2042wha?...
19:25.06Sky2042hmm, i need a fork
19:25.06KirkburnCause you're editing some policy pages, and I know some are lcoked
19:25.09Kirkburn*locked
19:25.10Sky2042ah
19:29.29Bagginswwsky I'll unlock the timeline pages that are locked if you can get one of those banners that tell people not to edit them except to fix typos
19:29.50Sky2042Kirkburn: http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Recentchangestext needs "Popular pages" removed, since the function was deleted on the wiki
19:29.52BagginswwI'm not sure if we have a specific template for such things
19:30.14Sky2042Bagginsww: i don't need them unprotected, but zeal might in the near future
19:30.43Bagginswwahh
19:30.51Bagginswwwell I was just asking if we had a template for something like that?
19:31.17Sky2042you can custom use [[Template:Ambox]]
19:31.24Bagginswwahh
19:32.30KirkburnIndeed
19:33.14Bagginswwso I wonder how we'll split the Naxx pages up. I recommend a disambig/lore page, and a Naxx Northrend, and Naxx Plaguelands
19:33.39Bagginswwthere is only so much lore so it could be fit onto the main disambig page
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19:34.18Bagginswweven use in-line disambig.
19:34.49Sky2042do we yet know if naxx PL is completely moving or is it going to remain in the plaguelands
19:34.51Sky2042?
19:35.26Bagginswwit may be completely moved, or not we don't know. Either way old version needs its own article
19:35.39Bagginswweven if it gets the removed from game tag or not
19:38.39Sky2042just wait until we have an instance for the future to deal with.
19:39.40BagginswwI'm not saying split it yet
19:39.41Bagginsww:p
19:39.48Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Tirion_Fordring#Brotherhood_of_Light sigh, baldr is an idiot
19:41.50Sky2042"The ignorant masses..."
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19:43.19Bagginswwlol
19:43.24pcjhooray
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19:50.30bleeterwow insider's a good 12 hours late again, if not more, I see
19:54.43Sky2042lol
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20:52.42Zeal"<+Sky2042> Bagginsww: i don't need them unprotected, but zeal might in the near future" I'm fine thanks O_o
20:52.55Sky2042orly?!
20:53.45Zeal"<@Kirkburn> Ooh, Zeal will be pleased - hardware sound is back on the PTR" oh fuck yes!
20:53.57Kirkburn:P
20:55.05Zealnow i'll probably start complaining because i can hear my arcanite steam pistol again, lol. gief serpentshrine longbow
20:55.12bleeterdon't forget to go test it, tho
20:55.27bleeter'coz if you don't, it's bound to not work when you load up 2.3 live for the first time
20:55.33Zealno real room to start installing the test client
20:55.34bleeterand you'll be all QQ and stuff :P
20:56.10Zealresently installed Adobe CS3, so i unstalled steam and other things, heh.
20:56.18Zeal*recently
20:56.25KirkburnYou uninstalled Steam!?
20:56.30Zealaye
20:56.30Kirkburnmadman
20:56.37Zeali don't play any games on it anymore
20:57.58Zealmay get reinstalled if i go to a lan again, but doubtful, rather play ut2k4/q3/dow/wc3 at a lan than any of the steam games.
20:59.42Zealnoodles need to be made, but no meat to cook with them. ffs : /
21:00.13Zealbbl
21:00.58Fisker-lulz
21:00.59Fisker-you suck
21:01.18Fisker-you can get Quake 3 on steam :P
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21:03.43zealmake no difference, why isntall steam (at platofrm designed around updates) to play a non-steam game which doesn't get updated?
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21:09.05KirkburnBRD is eaaasy so far at 70
21:12.12BagginswwI think I need to completley uninstall steam and reinstall it, a few of the games have corrupted themselves and wont' work
21:12.16Bagginswwor features wont' work
21:12.22Bagginswwlike subtitles
21:12.36BagginswwI can't get half-life source to work.
21:12.45BagginswwI've tried uninstalling individual games but that doesn't work
21:13.59KirkburnHave you verified the game cache integrity?
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21:25.03compuwizim trying to equip a two handed sword and it says it cannot be equiped, but I have the skill
21:28.15Yukinonyou meet the level requirement?
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21:29.55compuwizyes
21:30.14compuwizwhen i put the cursor over the sword everything is white
21:30.33compuwizim level 8 and its a level 2 sword
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21:32.09Yukinondo you have 2handed swords trained/
21:32.16compuwizi have the skill
21:32.28compuwizi went to the weapon trainer in stormwind
21:32.33Yukinonwhat is the sword?
21:32.44compuwiztwo handed sword
21:32.50Yukinonthere is a separate skill for swords and 2handed swords.
21:33.11compuwizi have the two-handed skill
21:33.58Yukinonhmm don't know what to tell you then
21:34.10compuwizthats what another guy on teamspeak told me
21:34.20compuwizis there anyone else i could ask?
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21:37.56pcjding revered gnomeregan exiles
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21:40.46Kirkburnomfg, the Ring of Law was trivial
21:45.37Bagginswwya kirkburn I tried to verify the cache integrity
21:45.41Bagginswwit didn't seem to fix anything
21:53.07compuwizi tried learning the skill for staffs and i cant equip them either
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21:55.13bleeteris the weapon type, in the weapon tooltip red or white? only thing I can think of is maybe some bad mod interoperability
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21:55.39compuwizwhite
21:56.01bleeterok, so the game knows you have the skill. try with all mods disabled ;)
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21:56.31compuwizok, one second
21:57.13compuwizdidn't help
21:57.24pcjcan you post a screenshot of the error
21:57.32compuwizyea
21:57.39compuwizlet me make one
21:57.50bleeterif it's not working with all mods disabled, I'd be thinking of paging a GM
21:58.08bleeter'coz that's just ... wrong
21:58.20compuwizi am a gm
21:58.36pcjare you playing on an emulated server?
21:58.39compuwizyes
21:58.44pcjcan't help you then
21:58.50bleetersame
21:58.56compuwizshouldent make a difference
21:59.14compuwizim sure they wouldent have a bug that big
21:59.33bleetercompuwiz: read /topic
22:00.08compuwizim not talking about an emulated server, the problem is with me i think
22:00.20KirkburnYes, it's that you're stealing.
22:00.43compuwizi havent read that your not supposed to make your own servers
22:00.56Kirkburno_O
22:01.14pcjyeah i forgot to read that you shouldn't kill people too
22:01.34Kirkburn:(
22:01.38compuwizim looking in the wow tos now
22:01.51KirkburnI dieded in BRD :(
22:01.56pcjnub
22:02.11KirkburnFineous Darkvire wouldn't move, so I had to kill him +mobs
22:02.21pcjsucks to be you
22:02.39Kirkburnaye
22:03.51compuwizi dont see anything mentioning private servers, the closest thing i can find is that you are not suposed to modify THEIR server or your client when playing on THEIR server
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22:04.16KirkburnAnd the EULA?
22:04.23pcjit doesn't really matter what it says, one of the rules of the chat room is that we don't discuss it
22:04.24compuwizhavent found that yet
22:06.06bleeterToS does mention it in more than just one place, it's just not explicitly stated.
22:06.08KirkburnHow do you even justify it to yourself?
22:06.19bleeterOne just needs basic reading comprehension to understand this.
22:06.37KirkburnIf you don't want to pay, you shouldn't be able to play on anything more than the basic client, without any patches whatsoever
22:07.29KirkburnBut in any case, I should take my own advice, and regard the topic
22:07.40bleetersame
22:08.13compuwizok
22:08.18bleeterapart from
22:08.27bleeterEULA, 4 B iv
22:08.48compuwizif they really dint want you to make your own servers, why did they make it so easy to do so?
22:09.07compuwizand yea, i just found that
22:09.15pcjso easy?
22:09.31pcjyou're the one experiencing a nearly crippling error with an emulated server
22:09.57pcjand it doesn't sound like you're the one who made the emu server anyway
22:10.06bleeterwhat I wanna know is why Blizz use .tmp file ext on the EULA and ToS files
22:11.00compuwizif they wanted you to use their servers they wouldent make a realmlist.wtf file and they would integrate it into the exe file
22:11.23pcjblizzard themselves uses different servers
22:12.31compuwizyea, but its just as easy to integrate that inbto the program, i have made a few simple programs before, but it would be easy for them
22:12.40bleeteryes, blizzard should hardcode the patcher URLs so that, heaven forbid, if they ever want to change that location people won't be able to patch ><
22:12.46bleeteranyways, this is still OT
22:12.51KirkburnYay Shadowforge key
22:12.59compuwizanyway, i will ask somewhere else
22:13.03bleeters/URL/DNS names/
22:13.32bleeterKirkburn: nice :)
22:13.47KirkburnNow to see about Lord Incendius
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22:18.34Kirkburnlol, walked into a pack of 6 elites
22:18.55KirkburnAnd then forgot to kill the medics first
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22:22.12Bagginswwwell kirkburn, the split of Shaman lore to Shaman, Shaman races, and Shamanism and Nature Worship articles is complete
22:22.27zealwhat a tard O_o (compuwiz)
22:22.58zealKirkburn, reply in msn ;)
22:23.13Kirkburnsec
22:23.15Bagginswwthe background section in Shaman could probably be expanded a little, to include a few links to different shaman types in lore
22:23.23KirkburnTrying to work out how to get to the Grim Guzzler
22:25.16bleeterzeal: indeed... 'i wrote a hello world once, blizz don't know what they're doing'
22:25.16zealrofl
22:25.16bleeterzeal: please unaway
22:25.16bleeterthat's really annoying
22:25.18zealyeah, i shoud, meh.
22:25.32zealwell i never finsihed it, should onyl announce to you once, sorry.
22:25.57bleeterit should auto-unaway you once you start typing :P
22:26.10Zealnah, i don't like that ;)
22:26.10bleeteror, prolly mroe correctly, when you send a msg
22:26.16Zeali like being sneaky, hehe.
22:28.17Zealanyway, sorry kirk, didn't realize you were in wow still ;p
22:28.20Zealno rush
22:29.14Yukinondoes int no longer affect weapon skill training?
22:31.11ZealBagginsww, any idea if there's been any speculative discussion on the wiki about the differences in how shamanism and druidism works?
22:31.38bleeterYukinon: don't quote me, but iirc it disappeared when BC was released.
22:31.41Bagginswwhuh, I just added what rpg says aboutr it
22:31.49bleeterYukinon: It's prolly in a patch note somewhere ;)
22:31.50Zealdon't know yukinon, not heard of it changing : /
22:32.13Bagginsww[[Shamanism and Nature Magic]]
22:32.14[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Shamanism_and_Nature_Magic
22:32.21Zealoh, hm.
22:32.43Zeal404ness
22:32.49Yukinonill be sad ig they chagned it
22:33.10Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Shamanism_and_Nature_Worship
22:33.11Bagginswwsorry
22:33.15Zealfound it :p
22:34.16Yukinoni keep int scrolls on my rogue just for that purpose
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22:42.12Zealhm.. it doesn't go int othe diffeences at all, oh well.
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22:47.00Zealwow, no wonder. the druid article is really lacking in lore.
22:47.28Zealnot even any seperate articles to explain about them :s
22:48.27BagginswwLOL
22:48.41Bagginswwwell driuds are really split up into various subtypes
22:48.51Bagginswwactually the druid article was really long at one time
22:48.56Bagginswwone of the longest lore articles we had
22:49.14Bagginswwbut we split most of the organizations into seperate articles
22:49.24Bagginswwand split the by race dection to
22:49.28Bagginsww[[Druid races]]
22:49.29[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Druid_races
22:49.33Zealyeah.. there is no druid lore article
22:49.36Bagginswwmain history and lore is in background
22:49.39Bagginswwits in Druid
22:49.56Zealto explai ntheir abilities, their spells, their history. onyl article is the organization one, which if anything, is merely a stub.
22:50.09Zealthere's next to nothing there in the druid article
22:50.12Bagginswwwell explanation of abilites is not in any class article really
22:50.29Bagginswwinfact you kind of have to take abilities one at a time in their own articles
22:50.38Bagginswwas there is some cross class sharing lore wise
22:51.09Zealdon't mean in terms of games.
22:51.36Zeali mean something similar to what shamanism has
22:51.37Bagginswwbtw we need to merge Fel and Fel Energy it means the same thing
22:51.51Zealthough evne that is lacking a bit. can think of a number of refrences to add.
22:51.59Zealaye, it does.
22:52.29Zealwell honestly i'd merge it into arcane ;)
22:53.00Bagginswwwell its under arcane but not all arcane is fel
22:53.05ZealFel can simpyl redirect there. do redirects except anchor links? can't remember.
22:53.11Zealofc.
22:53.16Bagginswwfel is seperated int eh rpg
22:53.24Bagginswwwith just the note that it has ties to the arcane
22:53.25Zealthe rpg can bite me.
22:53.35BagginswwYou can bite me :p
22:53.49Zealdepends which era of the rpg, and if it was done for games.
22:54.01Bagginswwif you went with the MMO you'd never know fel was tied to the arcane
22:54.13Bagginswwits the same in both era of the rpg
22:54.16Zealif you went with wow, you wouldn't know wtf was what.
22:54.36Zealgogo shadow _
22:54.44BagginswwLOL
22:54.48Bagginswwwhich isn't fel, :p
22:54.52Zealwant to kill metzen for that..
22:55.07Bagginswwshadow is like a strange hodpodge representation of fel,  and voodoo :p
22:55.23Bagginswwof course "shadow" belief system now
22:55.25Zealshadow as far as i'm concenred is a very weak attempt at a new magic, which becuase metzen compeltely fialed at and never fleshed out, is arance.
22:55.38Bagginsww[[Cult of the Forgotten Shadow]]
22:55.39[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Cult_of_the_Forgotten_Shadow
22:55.46Bagginswwhopefully spelled that right
22:56.38BagginswwYou know Metzen is behind the RPG too right?
22:56.50Bagginswwnah the main reason n the MMO was because they had to simplify things
22:56.59BagginswwI'm actually writing up an article on magic schools right now
22:57.07BagginswwThe RPG has it split into dozens
22:57.23Bagginswwfields, subfields, schools, subschools, and domains
22:57.53Zeali know
22:57.58Zeali love the rpg classes
22:58.01Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Magic_schools
22:59.21Zealbut anyways.. shadow in terms of locks is arance(fel). shadow in terms of priests/anti-holy is non-existant nonsense which until metzen finishes working on to make it possible to exist, i'll simply consider arcance(shadow).
23:00.07Bagginswwactually shadow's lore is tied into Cult of the Forgotten shadow
23:00.08Zeali love it, initally the only place info for shadow existed was one sentence on the wow class list on the website.
23:00.12Bagginswwdid your ead it :p
23:00.21Zealread it before i beleive
23:00.25BagginswwI've updated it
23:01.01BagginswwShadow represents shadow, for forsaken
23:01.10BagginswwShadow represents voodoo for troll priests
23:01.22BagginswwShadow is something paladisn wouldn't use
23:01.34Bagginswwor holy light priests
23:01.37Bagginswwthey'd be against it
23:01.49Bagginswwbut I'll probably be corrected by those who play alliance priests :p
23:01.53Bagginswwsome quest probably explains it
23:01.55Zealnot seeing anything new since i last read it really.
23:02.06Bagginswwmaybe you read it last few months
23:02.12Zealstill ridiculous with lore with no leg to stand on currently imo.
23:02.27Zealfew peices of lore i'm taking a stubborn stance on ;)
23:02.28Bagginswwit ifts the evil Forsaken imo
23:02.51Bagginswwits also fits the anti-thesis to the [[Holy Light]]
23:03.05Bagginswwits like a dark mirrior image
23:03.06Zealgg [NewsBot] ;)
23:03.14Bagginsww[[Holy Light]]
23:03.14[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Holy_Light
23:03.18Bagginswwwhich I plan to update later
23:03.26Bagginswwalso see;
23:03.31Bagginsww[[Church of the Holy Light]]
23:03.32[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Church_of_the_Holy_Light
23:03.50Zeali know where metzen is going with it, but i relaly don't like. there's no need for it exist and if anything it makes more complications moving forward.
23:05.28Zealnext he's going to be telling us shadow is used by all demons and sargeras and that fel doesn't exist/co-exists as a middle ground. then he has a setup for the holy war idea.
23:05.59Zealwere he could jsut simply say, they use arcane for evil, same as fel.
23:07.21Zeal*when he
23:09.52BagginswwFel is corrupted arcane :p
23:10.19Zealreally wouldn't have been hard to have "shadow priests" as a new concept the forsaken built on the power and abilities of the dread lord, taught to them via varimanthras. their abilities already fit that, and tbh that's what i will always think of thme ass.
23:10.25Bagginswwsomeone should look into each race's spell lists and see what explanations for shadow are given
23:10.32Zealvampiric and mind controlling arcane users.
23:10.42BagginswwI know that forsaken shadow and light is given several detailed quests
23:11.10Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Shadow_priest
23:11.11Zeala combo which allows them to practice a form of necromancy.
23:11.49Bagginswwthat would have been hard in game for balance reasons
23:11.56Zealnope
23:12.03Zealas they do it all already
23:12.13Zealjust not the necromancy.
23:12.13Bagginswwthey took out pally's ability to affect forsaken, :p
23:12.35Zealyeah, well that's jsut retarded gameplay for ya.
23:12.36Bagginswwbecause of balance
23:12.41Zeal:p
23:13.04Bagginswwwhat I'm saying they rarely design games aroudn lore, usually gameplay :p
23:13.13Zeali know
23:13.32Zealbut anyways, shadow priests are why i hope i never see a necromancer class in wow.
23:13.54Dottedbecause they have to Bagginsww
23:13.56Bagginswwthey might not give us necromancers, with the death knights
23:14.19Zeali'd probably stop caring about the lore at that point, because it's jsut a step too far for me.
23:14.54Zealthere already is a "raise dead" type ability planned for them isn't there?
23:15.16Bagginswwjust like they had in the old games
23:15.24Zealaye
23:15.34Bagginswwnecromancer is too much of an inbetween class
23:15.46Bagginswwthey have alot of similarities to locks
23:15.54Bagginswwand lots of similarities to death knights
23:15.54Zealultimately, i hate all blizz's choices for the wow classes ;)
23:16.07Bagginswwinfact there are plenty of references to warlocks using "necromantic magicks" :p
23:16.11Zealand lots of similarties to shadow priests ;)
23:16.16Zealaye
23:16.34Zeali wonder if still have my class list i was building up from the rpg info..
23:17.50Bagginswwjust go to category classes :p
23:17.59Bagginswwit should be pretty complate now
23:18.43Zealnah, i mean what stages of training and paths they can take to achieve new/different classes
23:19.03Zealeg, most arcane based caster start life as an arcanist
23:19.21Bagginswwshadow priest is to priest what  a dark cleric is to cleric
23:19.41Bagginswwor a dark shaman to shaman ;)
23:20.06Bagginswwin the rpg that's very little difference :p
23:20.20Bagginswwjust a few different choices of spells
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23:21.15ZealAcolyte->Necrolyte->Necormancer being a typical path, but at any point, an Arcanist can become any of those, as it's actually a higher skilled level and easier to turn to the "darker arts" and start with a better udnerstanding of it than an acolyte.
23:21.44ZealArchmage being the pinnacle of the mage line.
23:22.03Bagginswwhttp://www.wowwiki.com/Speak_with_Plants that's an ability shared by druids, rangers and scotus IIRC
23:22.21Bagginswwnot sure the lore fits that zeal
23:22.31BagginswwAcolyte are a bit different
23:22.33Zealit does
23:22.36Zeali checked.
23:22.48BagginswwI'd say Necrolyte and Necromancers are about the same
23:22.54Zealdon't knw othe hows/whys anymore, as it was back when i first met you :P
23:23.02Zealnope, directly below.
23:23.04Bagginswwacolytes are priests
23:23.06Bagginswwin the rpg
23:23.10Zealthey're not.
23:23.23Bagginswwya they are :p
23:23.27BagginswwNovice priests are most often used in grunt work, summoning and repairing buildings and structures with their magic. Occasionally, an acolyte enters battle as a medic, though few are strong enough to actually engage directly in battle. They typically dressed in dark robes covered in arcane writing. Most of their face is covered in a dark scarf and the hood of their robes, they clutch wicked wavy-bladed daggers. The acolyte is abso
23:23.27Bagginswwlutely pitiful in battle, and lets other Forsaken forces fight for them. Their main role is to summon buildings and repair damage to vehicles and other undead units. If pressed, the acolyte casts spells like lesser 'death coil or stabs with his dagger.HPG 202,203
23:23.32Zealnot in the classical priest sense.
23:23.41Zealthey're a completely different, real world "priest"
23:23.49Bagginswwthey are closer to forsaken shadow priests
23:23.53Zealaye.
23:24.19Zealand necrolyte is their next stage, should someone wish to learn more in that same line.
23:24.21Bagginswwof course there are other non-dead acolytes
23:24.33Bagginswwthis only works for undeadish variety
23:24.49Bagginswwbut in anycase in warcraft III they were considered seperate departments
23:25.11Zealnot saying it has to be taken in that path, a perfectly capable acolyte could be more power than a crap lock, but lock would be learning more about what a acolyte and how to apply it in other ways.
23:25.13Bagginswwits implied in the rpg too
23:25.25Bagginswwany class can multi-class into other classes lol
23:25.29Zeali know
23:25.35Zealthat's how i have it set up.
23:25.41Bagginswwa dark ranger can't be a ranger though
23:25.43Bagginswwfor obvious reasons
23:25.48Zealofc.
23:25.56Bagginswwloss of the druid powers heh
23:26.34Zealquestionable as to "druid" (even if the rpg may want to state it that way) but yeah.
23:26.56Bagginswwwhy is it quesitonable? They share the druid powers
23:27.04Bagginswwexcept shape changing
23:27.17Bagginswwthere are like 5 spells they share
23:27.24Bagginswwincluding summon animals
23:27.32Bagginswwlike the old warcraft iii druids
23:27.45Bagginswwwell techincally summon companion
23:27.50Bagginswwplus the ability to speak with plants
23:27.58Bagginswwand that's been aroudn since Day of the Dragon
23:27.59Bagginswwnovel
23:28.09Zealbecause it's actually not druidic, if anything it;s more shamanistic (this is what i asked about an article about the differences in the first place) and is simply a low level understanding of nature.
23:28.26Zeal*why
23:29.00Bagginswwshamans don't have that ability actually
23:29.05Zealbut the funny thing, is most rangers would have learnt via a society containing druids.
23:29.11Bagginswwfar seers summon spirits
23:29.14Bagginswwnot animals
23:29.18Zealthey do.
23:29.25Zealit was explained in lord of the clans.
23:29.29Bagginswwthose animals are spirit animals in warcraft 3
23:29.34Zealwhich is a reference missing form that shaman article.
23:29.40Zealnot referign to the game.
23:29.49Bagginswwthe problem is blizzard reinvents everythign all the itme
23:29.56Zealpart of the reference to it is already in the shaman article though.
23:30.00Zeali know
23:30.04Bagginswwbe right back checking the rpg
23:30.16Zealhence the need for a speculative article on the differences between the two.
23:30.19Zealkk
23:30.50BagginswwNature's Ally is druid/ranger specific
23:30.58Bagginswwwhatever the shaman's has its not nature's ally
23:31.09Zealbecuase the rpg fails ;)
23:31.10Bagginswwwarlock equivalent is Summon Monster
23:31.16Bagginswwnah each class has a different name
23:31.22Bagginswwfor the same sort of spell
23:31.29Bagginswwhas different sets of requirments though
23:31.33Bagginswwlike spell components
23:31.38Zealaye, it fails.
23:31.54Zealreally i would have given it a seperate name to both a shaman and druid version.
23:31.54Bagginswwnah more realistic
23:32.18Bagginswwfor example a warlock is going ot use demonic entrails or what not
23:32.33Bagginswwbtw mage's equivalent is "summon Familiar"
23:32.35Zealboth druids and shamans can request aid from animals, shamans from spirit animals too.
23:32.53ThraeYeah, it's not like the Druid and Shaman share a talent tree name, or even share a talent spell with the same name and ability.
23:32.58Bagginswwagain mage has different sets of requirements and componentws
23:33.24BagginswwI'm pretty sure its Summon spirit for the shamans
23:33.25Bagginswwbut not sure
23:33.31Zealkeep in mind gameplay still though Bagginsww.
23:33.37Bagginswwwith lore
23:33.42Bagginswweach of tehse have lore explanations LOL
23:33.46foxlitfs
23:34.00Bagginswwbackground information heh
23:34.04foxlitThe only help I can request from animals is for them to not attack me from so far away!
23:34.09Bagginswwheh
23:34.11foxlitgief viable animal help.
23:34.18Zeali know, but you can write lore for any gameplay aspect, and the absence of it in a game doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
23:34.27Zeallol foxlit.
23:35.01Bagginswwthey also come from seperate fields of magic
23:35.21Bagginswwbtw you know most of these fields originate out of mythology and legend right :p
23:35.35Zealwhat's it say about the shaman spirit one?
23:35.44Zealas to magic school.
23:35.56Bagginswwtrying to find it
23:36.01Bagginswwit might have been added in later bok
23:36.05Bagginswwbook
23:36.06Zealah, kk.
23:36.18Bagginswwremember in the rpg there are several types of shamans
23:36.24Bagginswwdifferent belief systems
23:36.37Bagginswwsome can summon animals other's cant
23:36.43Bagginswwvariant shamans
23:36.59Zealno idea what they would relaly classify the spirit based one under, shamanistic, but school wise i would have thought it still came under nature.
23:37.05Bagginswwbasically its wrong to say all shamans can summon animals, or that all druids can
23:37.11Zealofc.
23:37.19Bagginswwor that all mages can LOL
23:37.20Zealpeople like to specialise.
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23:37.23Bagginswwyes
23:37.27pitchslidhey
23:37.32pitchslidi have a ques..
23:37.34kadrahilwhere is the list of server ip addresses on wowwiki?
23:37.36Bagginswwwell its all classified under divine really
23:37.39pitchslidi just got the 14 day trial right
23:37.44pitchslidso
23:37.50pitchslidi can just play the trial
23:37.50Bagginsww[[nature]]
23:37.54pitchslidand pay as i play right
23:38.02Bagginswwstupid infobot :p
23:38.05Kaydeethreehttp://www.wowwiki.com/US_Realm_List_By_Datacenter
23:38.09pitchslidi dont have to buy the 69.99 package or anything
23:38.10Zeal"Inscribers must be, or be taught by, a Runemaster of any level." love that aspect, quite a unique class.
23:38.11kadrahilKaydeethree: thanks
23:38.14pitchslidright?
23:38.34Bagginswwya inscribers are like dumby runemasters,
23:38.40pitchslid!?
23:38.41Bagginswwthey only know the basicss
23:38.49Bagginswwand then merge it with mage like class
23:38.52Bagginswwarcanist actually
23:39.01Kaydeethreethere's no pay-as-you-play in the us/eu. you've gotta buy the full install for $30 and then each additional month is $15 or so
23:39.07Bagginswwactually quite a few classes with limitations like that iirc
23:39.08Zealaye, yuup.
23:39.15Zealhm..
23:39.17Kaydeethreeyou can use the trial to see what the latency's like to various servers
23:39.19pitchslidok so this trial edition shit isnt worth it
23:39.23pitchslidi have to go buy the cd
23:39.26Zealonyl got techno-mage with a similar requirement atm.
23:39.28Bagginswwbasically prestige classes
23:39.32Kaydeethreeyou can use the trial to play for free for 2 weeks
23:39.38pitchslidbumbaclott
23:39.41kadrahildarn, they disabled icmp echo replies on teh wow servers
23:39.43Bagginswwwell most prestidge classes have some requirements
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23:39.45pitchslidok mi go buy the cd rite now
23:39.50pitchslidthanks for the help
23:39.53pitchslidblessings
23:39.54Bagginswwrunemaster is a base class btw
23:40.02Bagginswwnot a prestidge
23:40.05Zeal"Techno Mages must be, or be taught by, an Engineer of any level."
23:40.06Zeali know
23:40.49BagginswwEngineer they probably mean Tinker, as engineer is was not updated to second edition rules and from one of the more obscure books
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23:41.12Bagginswwyou had to use the conversion rules for your self
23:42.04ZealTinker is a lower level engineer from what i had.
23:42.28BagginswwTinker is the base class
23:42.33Bagginswwengineer was a prestidge class
23:42.38Zealguess it would actually make sense though in accord with how i had runemaster setup.
23:42.38Bagginswwin a farely obscure book
23:42.40Zeali know
23:42.54Bagginswwoh these your theories
23:43.00Zealkeep in mind i'm throwing out the rpg gameplay aspect of this.
23:43.05Bagginswwthought it was something I misread in the rpg LOL
23:43.09Zealtrying to bring it mroe int othe real world.
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23:43.44BagginswwTinkers don't even have to be engineers to make devices. All engineer allowed was for them to designate workers under them
23:43.54Bagginswwit was more ofa  business end of things
23:43.56Zealwell not really theories, but extrapolating what works.
23:44.04Zealaye.
23:44.27Bagginswwa techno mage usually just works alone like a tinker
23:44.31Zeala mage can wtf pwn an archmage, just the archmage is a title of recognition of ability and position
23:44.36Zealaye.
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23:44.51Bagginswwarchmage is more than a title of recognition :p
23:45.00Bagginswwat least for the class
23:45.02Zealsame would apply to tinker and enginner
23:45.13Zeali know, but as i said, not following gemaply.
23:45.20Bagginswwconsider techno mages and engineers seperate specialiations
23:45.27Zeali do.
23:45.37Zealthey're a combo of two.
23:45.39Zealsimple
23:45.43Zealsame as the inscriber.
23:45.59Bagginswwengineer becomes a superviser, the techno mage specilizes in magical/techno combinations
23:46.08Bagginswwbut generally alone
23:46.34Bagginswwif you combined them you'd porbably get a techno magineer LOL
23:46.41Zeallol
23:47.08BagginswwI.E a supervising techno/magic prestidge class
23:47.14Zealaye.
23:47.52Bagginswwor just be a "multi-class" for simplicity sake
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23:48.09BagginswwBoth an Engineer and a TEchno Mage
23:48.22Zealoh woopsie, made a mistake earlier. meant to say Acolyte->Necrolyte->Necormancer
23:48.26Zealnot warlock :p
23:48.55Bagginswwyou said necromancer I'm pretty sure
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23:50.03Zealindeed i did >_>;
23:51.32Zealwhat would be nice is to have this setup in a interactive way, have all the paths setup, and can build up a "career path", and also have the option to select a preset from specialisations.
23:51.51Zealgod i wish wow was like that..
23:52.10Zealgief runemasters ;_;
23:52.32Bagginswwbasic shaman has spirits and Elements domain
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23:53.16Zealaye
23:53.18Bagginswwnote that divine is split into about 9 domains
23:53.30BagginswwI think there were one or two more added in later books
23:53.43Zealnever really like the "divine" classification anyways, seems superfluous.
23:53.45Bagginswwlike POwer domain I think
23:54.00Bagginswwdivine jsut means coming from otherworldly beings
23:54.17RogueShadowwhat are we talking about?
23:54.30Bagginswwshadow closest domain in rpg is death adn destruction
23:55.22BagginswwA priest has access to domains depending
23:55.22Bagginswwon the faith she follows. See the “Faiths of Azeroth”.
23:55.42Bagginswwfor that explanaiton a priestess of elune would have a different set of domains
23:55.46Bagginswwthan say a holy priest
23:55.57Bagginswwor a mystery of the maker priest
23:56.06Bagginswwrandom lore and rpg stuff
23:56.20Zeallore, specifically classes and magic.
23:56.27Bagginswwdruids are Animal and Wild domains
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23:56.48Bagginswwbasic druid of the wild mind you
23:56.53Zeal"mystery of the maker", lol
23:56.58Bagginsww*makers"
23:57.05Bagginswwthe titan worshipers
23:57.26Zealah, not as funny then, thought it was a random genric rpg term :P
23:57.33Bagginswwlol
23:57.54Bagginswwpriests of the burning legion have Death destrucitona dn war
23:58.06Bagginswwholy light have protection healing and war
23:58.22Bagginswwthose who worship ancients or elune have animal, healing, and war
23:58.32Bagginswwnoting that ancients are based on Animal archtypes
23:58.48Bagginswwlike stag, boar, bears, etc
23:59.25Bagginswwthose who worship the dragons Elements, healing and war, except for those who worship Deathwing, who get Destruction instead of healing.
23:59.59Zealseems elune should have protection too.
23:59.59Zealbut honestly, all sounds rather uneccessary.

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