| 00:05.29 | Kirkburn | cool |
| 00:06.36 | Bagginsww | how big are these eagles kirkburn out of curiosity? |
| 00:07.28 | Kirkburn | Sizable |
| 00:07.38 | Kirkburn | Probably about 2m wingspan |
| 00:07.47 | Kirkburn | Possibly larger |
| 00:08.42 | Bagginsww | wonders if they are the giant eagle variety :) |
| 00:08.53 | Kirkburn | Sargeras is today's featured article :) |
| 00:09.10 | Bagginsww | if only 7 feet they'd fall under regular eagles though |
| 00:09.48 | Bagginsww | cool |
| 00:11.48 | Kirkburn | The intro section of the article needs cutting down though |
| 00:13.50 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, I've commented out the quoted stuff that repeats the biography we have |
| 00:13.55 | Bagginsww | ya, I was going to split it later |
| 00:28.00 | Kirkburn | Given a bit more variety to the featured media - couldn't find anything suitable for hallowe'en though :( |
| 00:28.34 | Kirkburn | Bagginswww, I assume you're working on Sargeras atm |
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| 00:44.20 | pcj | :o are you a mind reader kirkburn |
| 00:44.30 | Kirkburn | oh? |
| 00:44.51 | pcj | Indeed |
| 00:45.06 | Kirkburn | how might that be? |
| 00:45.13 | pcj | <Kirkburn> Bagginswww, I assume you're working on Sargeras atm |
| 00:46.00 | Kirkburn | This is the kind of moment when I look at you confused |
| 00:46.23 | pcj | At least I don't act like Voluspaa |
| 00:46.30 | Kirkburn | egad |
| 00:49.23 | Kirkburn | Weird, I don't recognise this human female hairstyle |
| 00:49.36 | Kirkburn | (I'm in pirate form) |
| 00:50.14 | pcj | your character is female? |
| 00:50.16 | Kirkburn | Long hair down her back bound with a white scrunchie |
| 00:50.48 | Kirkburn | Yes ... |
| 00:51.09 | Kirkburn | She's also level 9 and a NE drood |
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| 00:51.35 | pcj | And you've never been in kara? |
| 00:52.19 | Kirkburn | How is that relevant? |
| 00:52.35 | pcj | It's not |
| 00:52.55 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 00:53.12 | Kirkburn | Next you're going to start questioning my sexuality :P |
| 00:54.04 | pcj | Should I? |
| 00:54.09 | Kirkburn | Er ... no? |
| 00:54.19 | Zeal | certainly |
| 00:54.20 | pcj | Well, you're the one who brought it up |
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| 00:54.37 | Kirkburn | Well, I thought we were bringing up irrelevant stuff for some reason |
| 00:54.55 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 00:55.17 | Kirkburn | I want to raid, but I want it casual and with people I know |
| 00:55.29 | pcj | Kara's about as casual as raiding gets :P |
| 00:55.37 | pcj | do you do heroics? |
| 00:55.45 | Kirkburn | True, it's the second part I can't satisfy |
| 00:55.52 | Kirkburn | No, I don't do any instances |
| 00:56.06 | pcj | ouch |
| 00:56.13 | pcj | so do you just sit in IF all day then |
| 00:56.27 | Kirkburn | I level chars, and the wiki takes up a fair amount of time |
| 00:56.43 | Kirkburn | My level 70 draenei only just got his epic mount |
| 00:57.33 | pcj | epic flying? |
| 00:57.52 | Kirkburn | yes! :P |
| 00:58.10 | pcj | not bad for not doing instances :P |
| 00:58.11 | Kirkburn | I'm almost insulted :P |
| 00:59.08 | Kirkburn | Didn't have to grind much, had 3000 from levelling, 1500g from stuff lying around in the bank and the rest from a bit of fun on the elemental plateau and getting some consortium rep from ogres |
| 00:59.22 | pcj | and what class? |
| 00:59.27 | Kirkburn | hunter |
| 00:59.32 | Kirkburn | Which helps :P |
| 00:59.58 | Kirkburn | Yay ding 10 |
| 01:00.08 | pcj | lol |
| 01:00.43 | Kirkburn | This char was level 7 for like 3 months |
| 01:04.34 | pcj | yeah i'm not big on alts either |
| 01:04.49 | Zeal | Kirk, i was a raider and i didn't get an epic flying mount still ;) |
| 01:05.00 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 01:05.06 | pcj | i have 5 epic flying mounts |
| 01:05.36 | Zeal | Vashj and Kael should have died, the bastards, would have been nice to step foot in hyjal/bt before i quit : / |
| 01:05.40 | Zeal | ass :p |
| 01:05.54 | Zeal | i had 4k gold, started raiding, i now have 700g. |
| 01:06.02 | Kirkburn | ouch |
| 01:06.05 | pcj | with curse? |
| 01:06.07 | Kirkburn | How'd you manage that? |
| 01:06.17 | pcj | pots/reagents stuff i'd imagine |
| 01:06.39 | pcj | oh not curse nvm |
| 01:06.45 | Zeal | i'm a hunter, i play pvp, my time was taken up running the guild, raid matts require time and an ability to farm to fund. |
| 01:06.46 | pcj | mistook you for someone else :P |
| 01:06.50 | Zeal | curse, lol. |
| 01:06.56 | Zeal | kk |
| 01:07.28 | Kirkburn | Two letters off pcj :P |
| 01:07.31 | Zeal | oh, and i'm not a herbalist nor do i have a herbing char :P |
| 01:07.36 | Kirkburn | Oh should I call you pjc now? |
| 01:07.54 | Zeal | so.. was tough for me, i expected to go broke and have to quit before this year was up anyways. |
| 01:08.04 | Kirkburn | >_< |
| 01:09.03 | Zeal | onyl lasted so long because my best friend is a herbalist and needed some skins for random stuff. lol |
| 01:09.56 | Zeal | <3 fel mana pots + flask of relentless assault + drums of battle + haste potions + aspect of the viper. |
| 01:10.06 | Zeal | toping dmg ftw. |
| 01:10.34 | Zeal | anyways.. i wonder how much speculation is still i nthe sargeras article :p |
| 01:12.34 | Zeal | oo, APG image of the big guy, nice. |
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| 01:13.23 | Zeal | "Sargeras saw that Aegwynn was a serious threat, but he also saw how she could be manipulated." reference plx |
| 01:14.49 | Zeal | "As Aegwynn surveyed the scene, she found the rift from which the Legion's agents had come through in the Storm Peaks." same.. better be from the RPG cos it happened differently in other sources.. |
| 01:16.46 | Zeal | and finally "..but Sargeras held back, letting the mage destroy his physical body." once again, conflicting sources on this. Speculation section please ;) |
| 01:18.38 | Zeal | atleast i'm glad to see Sargeras' unknown fate explained. Amount of people who fail to pick that up, sigh. |
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| 02:18.17 | Zeal | nn all |
| 02:18.53 | Kirkburn | Night Zeal :) |
| 02:22.22 | piu | gripe: see: [[Category:Quests:Alliance]] and [[Category:Alliance quests]] |
| 02:37.03 | Kirkburn | Already had this conversation today |
| 02:37.36 | Kirkburn | it involved me and winkiller attempting to convince foxlit to get it done |
| 02:38.25 | piu | well, gripe 1 is "Alliance quests" whould probalby be "Alliance Quests" |
| 02:38.44 | piu | and "Quests:Alliance" which is manually added everywhere probably needs to disappear |
| 02:39.02 | piu | gripe 1 is a template fix and maybe some cleanup afterwards |
| 02:39.26 | piu | gripe 2 is 200+ edits |
| 02:40.10 | piu | also since I'm cleaning up the mage quest categories |
| 02:40.12 | Kirkburn | From the naming policy it should be Alliance quests, our category naming stuff got messed up a while back |
| 02:40.26 | Kirkburn | Mikk was merging some pages, and the wrong policy got written >< |
| 02:40.36 | Kirkburn | Ever since we've capitalised them for no apparent reason |
| 02:40.51 | piu | policy just says to use Title Case for all cats |
| 02:40.57 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 02:41.01 | Kirkburn | It shouldn't |
| 02:41.09 | Kirkburn | It's supposed to be sentence case |
| 02:41.12 | piu | OK |
| 02:41.19 | piu | second question then: |
| 02:41.50 | Kirkburn | Yarr? |
| 02:41.50 | piu | I'm cleaning up Mage quests and I'm thinking it should be [[Category:Mage quests]] instead of [[Category:Quests:Mage]] |
| 02:41.59 | Kirkburn | Yarr |
| 02:41.59 | piu | is that the plan for all colon-cats? |
| 02:42.05 | Kirkburn | Yarr |
| 02:42.13 | Kirkburn | Fun, eh |
| 02:42.24 | piu | well, it's a small category, so not a big deal |
| 02:42.46 | piu | Half can be knocked out by editing the questbox template, but that will hose every class quest category |
| 02:43.09 | piu | of course, those cats aren't that big either |
| 02:43.13 | Adys | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:%25s |
| 02:43.14 | Adys | wow... |
| 02:43.16 | Adys | just wow |
| 02:43.38 | Adys | Kirkburn: that link's for you |
| 02:43.39 | Adys | lol |
| 02:44.10 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 02:44.39 | Adys | How does what's there right now (go on, click "Article", this talkpage will still be here when you come back) reduce your convenience in using firefox? _i_ use the shortcut feature, and I'm the one who proposed this! It's generous to allow this to exist at all, putting the main page under the title %s is indisputably unencyclopedic. --Random832 00:08, 15 May 2007 (UTC) |
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| 02:49.31 | piu | Kirkburn - you said a bot is scheduled to clean up quest categories already? |
| 02:49.58 | Kirkburn | Nothing seemed to come of it in the end |
| 02:51.08 | piu | Well, I can get the move started with the class quests, that seems easy enough |
| 02:51.21 | piu | if that's the desired plan |
| 02:53.21 | piu | here's how questbox works: it auto cats to [[Category:Quests:{{{category}}}|{{{name}}}]] |
| 02:54.20 | piu | which if changed to [[Category:{{ucfirst:{{{category}}}}} quests|{{{name}}}]] |
| 02:54.33 | piu | would make many new categories and make many old categories |
| 02:57.17 | Arcane_NB | but is that a good thing? |
| 02:57.34 | Arcane_NB | more catagories just for the sake of more catagories |
| 02:57.53 | piu | it's more of a category renaming |
| 02:58.07 | piu | Quests:Whatever vs. Whatever quests |
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| 03:54.07 | zeal | Guess that having %s exist at all just sounds stupid to me because i don't mind having to make a single click afterwards.. or maybe because i can setup an alias to handle blank searches like that.. i use "wiki: blahblahblah" to search and simple "wiki" to go to wikipedia. i have a similar thing setup for ww, but instead i use "ww: articlename", "ww:s searchquery" and "ww". seriously, how lazy are people today that they have to |
| 03:54.41 | zeal | Plus cat policy /spit ;) anyways.. think i'll really go to bed now. |
| 03:54.50 | pcj | who are you talking to |
| 03:55.11 | zeal | Adys, Kirkburn and anyone who chooses to read it. |
| 03:55.24 | Adys | lol |
| 03:55.49 | Adys | [04:18:28] <+Zeal> nn all |
| 03:55.57 | Adys | [05:54:52] anyways.. think i'll really go to bed now. |
| 03:56.02 | Adys | only two hours late :P |
| 03:56.16 | zeal | aye ^_^; |
| 03:57.18 | Kirkburn | I was planning on it too |
| 03:57.29 | Kirkburn | But I've been distracted |
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| 03:58.08 | Fisker- | then don't play TF2 |
| 03:58.18 | Kirkburn | Lol, I loaded it accidently |
| 03:58.26 | Kirkburn | I was trying to see if I had today's update |
| 03:58.27 | Fisker- | suuuuure |
| 04:00.25 | piu | hey Kirkburn, I can probalby handle the category bot request |
| 04:00.58 | piu | just need to test it on something small and non-sensitive first |
| 04:00.59 | Kirkburn | oh em gee |
| 04:01.11 | Kirkburn | Fisker-'s head |
| 04:04.52 | pcj | Kirkburn's ego |
| 04:04.55 | pcj | Oh wait, never mind |
| 04:05.09 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 04:06.39 | Kirkburn | I'd like to hope that's true |
| 04:07.40 | pcj | Small and insensitive or large and sensitive? |
| 04:07.51 | Kirkburn | Er, the former |
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| 04:08.52 | Sky2042_afk | piu: bing |
| 04:09.06 | piu | ahoy |
| 04:09.30 | pcj | Land ho! |
| 04:09.44 | Kirkburn | *crunch* |
| 04:09.53 | Sky2042 | nice of you to set up pywiki... did you end up with any errors that stopped it from running in the beginning (i r curious) |
| 04:10.01 | Kirkburn | We've landed! |
| 04:10.10 | piu | nope, it came up and running easily |
| 04:10.15 | Sky2042 | huh :| |
| 04:10.25 | piu | I got some warnings about namespaces, so I need to edit the config a bit |
| 04:10.37 | piu | <-- running Mac OS X |
| 04:10.52 | piu | python 2.5 |
| 04:11.07 | piu | my test edit passed |
| 04:11.07 | pcj | ugh http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Ltb0619 |
| 04:11.20 | Sky2042 | yeah, let him finish editing |
| 04:12.25 | Bagginswww | kirkburn good idea to make the screenshot on characterbox an "if" |
| 04:12.36 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 04:12.46 | piu | anywho I'm headed to bed, I'll set up a bot account tomorrow and do more testing before unleashing its wrath |
| 04:13.47 | Sky2042 | well, that's why he made that page |
| 04:13.49 | Sky2042 | sigh |
| 04:17.01 | Sky2042 | owned by a freaking comp >_< |
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| 04:30.15 | Sky2042 | i would like to kill baggins please |
| 04:30.32 | Sky2042 | what do i need to do that? |
| 04:36.46 | pcj | a sourcebook with entirely blank pages |
| 04:37.20 | Fisker- | Bibi |
| 04:37.22 | Fisker- | get a new t button |
| 04:37.34 | Sky2042 | pcj: amazing... that would do it |
| 04:40.58 | Sky2042 | poor people at SoL... they still have to deal with Zarnks |
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| 04:59.12 | Bagginswww | lol gul'dan is also a necromancer according to ToD |
| 04:59.56 | Sky2042 | gd baggins, id to ns you goosehead |
| 05:00.08 | Bagginswww | huh and huh? |
| 05:00.28 | Bagginswww | yes I'm still working on sargeras |
| 05:00.29 | Bagginswww | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:01.00 | Sky2042 | You fine with how Medivh ended up> |
| 05:01.15 | Bagginswww | I don't know how much has happened with Medivh |
| 05:01.20 | Bagginswww | I noticed alot of people were editing it today |
| 05:01.33 | Bagginswww | however, I think sargeras could probably use a little less "medivh" |
| 05:01.52 | Sky2042 | nah, you edited after i deleted the quote, then i killed off the majority of the quote and moved the part about him being a ghost to the pertinent section |
| 05:01.55 | Bagginswww | yes pointing out he possessed his body is one thing but repeating Medivh's life history is another |
| 05:02.05 | Bagginswww | whatever |
| 05:02.07 | Sky2042 | sargeras is actually a copy-paste from WoW : |
| 05:02.14 | Sky2042 | the wow encyclopedia :| |
| 05:02.17 | Bagginswww | hmm |
| 05:02.23 | Bagginswww | its a bit "long" |
| 05:02.30 | Sky2042 | which is because it's a copy paste |
| 05:02.32 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 05:02.38 | Bagginswww | a link to wow encyclopedia would be better imo |
| 05:02.49 | Bagginswww | and use the short version from the RPG heh. |
| 05:02.53 | Sky2042 | ew |
| 05:02.59 | Sky2042 | no, he's a fair bit more important than that |
| 05:03.09 | Bagginswww | well rpg version isn't that short |
| 05:03.59 | Bagginswww | the one thing I like about the rpg version is it points out that demons were probably not corrupt to begin with heh |
| 05:04.10 | Bagginswww | and that was out long before TBC |
| 05:04.36 | Sky2042 | which means it doesn't agree with the draenei retcon?... |
| 05:05.01 | Sky2042 | oh, it does agree with the retcon |
| 05:05.03 | Bagginswww | nah what I mean is that demoms in general were natural creatures that were later corrupted |
| 05:05.18 | Bagginswww | which agrees with the retcon |
| 05:05.40 | Bagginswww | infact it implies that Titans may have inadvertantly started the corruption originally |
| 05:06.08 | Bagginswww | Sargeras is mad, but his fight to turn on the titans may be based on truth. |
| 05:06.41 | Bagginswww | only problem he has gone evil in the process of avenging those his race has corrupted |
| 05:07.26 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:07.31 | Sky2042 | "only" |
| 05:07.36 | Bagginswww | heh heh |
| 05:08.02 | Bagginswww | what's funny though is it goes back to the what if scenario I discussed a while go only in pure speculation. What if the titans were evil ;) |
| 05:08.16 | Sky2042 | (which i wasn't here for) |
| 05:08.23 | Bagginswww | ahh you missed out |
| 05:08.40 | Bagginswww | basically the idea was that victor's write the history you know? |
| 05:08.42 | Sky2042 | summarize |
| 05:08.44 | Sky2042 | ah |
| 05:08.58 | Bagginswww | What if the Titans were wrote themselves out to be perfect benevolent race |
| 05:09.02 | Sky2042 | they weren't exactly the victors... isn't he floating around somewhere still? |
| 05:09.16 | Bagginswww | they were initial victors |
| 05:09.29 | Bagginswww | they locked up every race they considered emons |
| 05:09.30 | Bagginswww | *demons |
| 05:10.03 | Bagginswww | but reality what happened was the titans were actuall space faring invaders |
| 05:10.15 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 05:10.20 | Sky2042 | twisted |
| 05:10.27 | Bagginswww | they were attackign other race's planets so they could reorganize them in their vision |
| 05:10.42 | Bagginswww | any race that fought back? Was a demon |
| 05:10.47 | Bagginswww | considered a demon |
| 05:11.11 | Bagginswww | any that didn't probably got wiped out |
| 05:11.26 | Bagginswww | *didn't fight back |
| 05:11.29 | Sky2042 | seeing as they empowered the Dragonflights, which were left /their own wills/, I'd say no |
| 05:11.53 | Bagginswww | Dragonflights seem to have a connection to the titans though |
| 05:11.59 | Bagginswww | beyond just being empowered |
| 05:12.04 | Bagginswww | at least according to the rpg |
| 05:12.24 | Bagginswww | Basically the Titans have an idea of what is considered "perfect" to them |
| 05:12.41 | Bagginswww | anything that doesn't fit into their sense of style, is an aberration |
| 05:12.53 | Bagginswww | aesthetic issues |
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| 05:13.31 | Bagginswww | btw, MoM and MG both say that demons or at least most demons originally were not corrupt |
| 05:13.47 | Bagginswww | that they were corrupted by use of arcane magic or fel energy |
| 05:14.22 | Bagginswww | Now if overuse of the arcane was considered demonic to the titans, they might have considered the Eredar evil and thus locked them away |
| 05:14.36 | Sky2042 | which is what we saw occur with the blood /high elves. while i wouldn't say they've become demons, they're not far from it |
| 05:14.41 | Bagginswww | ya |
| 05:15.08 | Sky2042 | then i'd have to also say that humans arose too late in the world's history to be impacted... |
| 05:15.16 | Bagginswww | ya |
| 05:15.18 | Sky2042 | good thing azeroth was a fledgling world, eh? |
| 05:15.20 | Sky2042 | :P |
| 05:15.23 | Bagginswww | :p |
| 05:15.34 | Bagginswww | well it was the Old God's world before then |
| 05:15.43 | Bagginswww | and they got locked away lol |
| 05:16.03 | Bagginswww | there are references to Old Gods being considered demonic in the RPG IIRC |
| 05:16.11 | Bagginswww | by the Titans |
| 05:16.54 | Bagginswww | So anyways we have many native races on many worlds who get defeated and considered demons, and locked away |
| 05:17.13 | Bagginswww | only for most ot have their worlds terriformed |
| 05:17.22 | Bagginswww | and seeded with new races |
| 05:17.58 | Bagginswww | If sargeras is right, it was loss of their worlds, and losing the battles to defend their worlds, that lead to them becoming angery and evill. |
| 05:18.37 | Bagginswww | Sargeras then decided what he was doing was wrong, and wanted to undo everythign he did, and avenge those races. |
| 05:19.00 | Bagginswww | Only problem was he needed an army, and thus he freed all the now corrupted races |
| 05:20.34 | Bagginswww | In insanity and his own corrupted heart he then turned on the worlds he had previously helped conquer, and by enslaving the "demons" he was able to use them to undo what the Titans had done. |
| 05:20.42 | Sky2042 | where does it say the titans seeded the worlds they visited? i'm looking at sol right now, which says that legend holds that they did shape the land... |
| 05:21.25 | Bagginswww | the rpg in several places |
| 05:21.40 | Bagginswww | let me get you some quotes |
| 05:22.43 | Bagginswww | No one knows exactly how the universe began. Some theorize that a catastrophic |
| 05:22.44 | Bagginswww | cosmic explosion sent the infinite worlds spinning out into the vastness |
| 05:22.44 | Bagginswww | of the Great Dark – worlds that would one day bear life-forms of wondrous |
| 05:22.44 | Bagginswww | and terrible diversity. Others believe that the universe, at it exists, was |
| 05:22.44 | Bagginswww | created as a whole by a singular, all-powerful entity. Though the exact origins |
| 05:22.44 | Bagginswww | of the chaotic universe remain unclear, it is clear that a race of powerful |
| 05:22.47 | Bagginswww | beings arose to bring order to the various worlds and ensure a safe future |
| 05:22.48 | Bagginswww | for the beings that would follow in their footsteps. |
| 05:22.50 | Bagginswww | first is the War3 manual |
| 05:23.02 | Bagginswww | which implies the worlds were first than cosmic race came later to bring it to order |
| 05:23.18 | Bagginswww | The Titans, colossal, metallic-skinned gods from the far reaches of the cosmos, |
| 05:23.18 | Bagginswww | came forward and set to work on the worlds they encountered |
| 05:23.24 | Bagginswww | see? |
| 05:23.42 | Bagginswww | so ya the idea predates the rpg |
| 05:23.45 | Sky2042 | that doesn't say they seeded any of the worlds... |
| 05:23.48 | Sky2042 | >.> |
| 05:24.47 | Bagginswww | read the rest of the war3 man :p |
| 05:24.52 | Bagginswww | that's only one section |
| 05:24.58 | Bagginswww | and I'm not going to spam the rest of it |
| 05:25.07 | Sky2042 | just find where it says " |
| 05:25.09 | Sky2042 | seeding" |
| 05:25.16 | Sky2042 | that's all i want :P |
| 05:25.46 | Bagginswww | You do know of synonyms right? |
| 05:25.54 | Sky2042 | seeded != changed what was there |
| 05:26.07 | Bagginswww | seeded means "created" new |
| 05:26.29 | Bagginswww | changed what was there is different than the later creating new races to live int he world |
| 05:26.40 | Bagginswww | seeding is related to the latter, not the former |
| 05:26.42 | Sky2042 | seeded means they brought along various races with them |
| 05:26.48 | Sky2042 | and added those |
| 05:26.58 | Sky2042 | creating new races, certainly |
| 05:27.03 | Sky2042 | but not the same as seeding |
| 05:28.20 | Bagginswww | depends on which scifi series you refer to LOL |
| 05:28.26 | Bagginswww | I've heard seed get used in different ways |
| 05:29.34 | Bagginswww | there are like 30 - 40 definitions of "Seed" LOL |
| 05:30.11 | pcj | My favorite is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Seed |
| 05:30.51 | Bagginswww | Khaaaaan!!! |
| 05:31.01 | Sky2042 | lolkhan |
| 05:43.27 | Sky2042 | i have a bit of hw to do... then i'm going to bed. hmm... i did have spansih also |
| 05:43.28 | Sky2042 | weee |
| 05:43.33 | Sky2042 | i'm off now! |
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| 09:51.38 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Infoboxfaction can someone fix the population section of that template? |
| 09:51.40 | Bagginsww | its not working |
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| 14:14.44 | Volus | Sorry I didn't get time to explain to you about those web idols; it was going to be a joke ;) |
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| 14:17.01 | Kaso | wasn't that like 20 hours ago you were talking abou that? |
| 14:17.29 | Hobinheim | did you see the cave of cobol? =) |
| 14:17.51 | Volus | Yeah, but I got an important phone call. |
| 14:18.22 | Volus | The Battlestar Galactica thing? |
| 14:19.25 | Kaso | its Kobol in BSG |
| 14:20.09 | Volus | British Society of Gastroenterology? BSG Business Systems Group? |
| 14:20.32 | Kaso | Battlestar Galactica.... |
| 14:20.36 | Hobinheim | barsong gulch |
| 14:20.57 | Kaso | BattleStar Galactica |
| 14:21.01 | Volus | Oh... >< ok. |
| 14:22.18 | Volus | Do you like Battlestar Galactica? |
| 14:22.26 | Kaso | I do |
| 14:22.59 | Kaso | I've been catching up on season 3 recently |
| 14:23.21 | Volus | I think I've seen season one and two |
| 14:23.28 | Volus | watched* |
| 14:26.01 | Kaso | i enjoy the naturalistic sci-fi thing they do, its a nice change from star trek et al |
| 14:28.59 | Volus | I don't think it's naturalistic. The naturaltists describe a world of no hope where your milieu to which you are born decides your fate. |
| 14:29.28 | Volus | For instance, if you're born poor you'll stay that way for the rest of your life. |
| 14:30.18 | Volus | the milieu* |
| 14:32.49 | Kaso | Perhaps the word is wrong, but that's the word RDM uses to decribe "realistic" sci-fi, without the phasers, shields and deus ex machinas of other scifis |
| 14:33.45 | Volus | Hmm, ok :) Do you think there is hope for the people traveling with Battlestar Galactica? |
| 14:35.14 | Kaso | yes, perhaps not alot, but as long as they're surviving theres hope for a better future |
| 14:36.12 | Volus | I wonder what motives the cylons have. Why do they suddenly desire to co-exist peacefully with humanity? |
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| 14:37.02 | Kaso | Where exactly are you in the storyline |
| 14:37.08 | Kaso | i wouldnt like to spoil an future plotlines |
| 14:37.49 | Volus | The cylons have just arrived on New Caprica. |
| 14:40.40 | Hobinheim | so who's excited about leopard |
| 14:40.58 | Kaso | Well, i think that some of the human cylon models are becoming more humanlike by the day Volus, including gaining more morality. |
| 14:43.22 | Volus | But for some reason they don't want to leave them alone on leave New Caprica |
| 14:44.40 | Kaso | Well they still have the fear of humanity rising against them that led them to attack in the first place, so having control of the humans on new caprica is a way to keep the humans from becoming a threat, without committing genecide of an entire race |
| 14:46.25 | Volus | They seriously consider 40,000 humans a threat against their cylon empire? |
| 14:46.49 | Volus | That doesn't make sense. |
| 14:47.25 | Kaso | Not for the moment, however cylons being robots conside time different from us, i'd only take humanty 20,000 years or so to regain strength maybe, not really a long time for a robot :> |
| 14:48.00 | Volus | Hmmm, true. |
| 14:48.19 | Kaso | Anyway, networking lecture awaits me! |
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| 14:57.04 | dreamss | BSG is a good ass show, but i prefer stargate |
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| 14:59.00 | Kirkburn | dreamss, a good ass show? I thought those were only on cable there ... |
| 14:59.09 | dreamss | :P |
| 15:00.00 | pcj | Hah, bet you wish you didn't live in the UK now |
| 15:00.28 | Kirkburn | Oh, we get our fair share |
| 15:01.09 | pcj | Yeah, but it's British fanny |
| 15:02.05 | Volus | What are you talking about, pjc? |
| 15:02.57 | pcj | Volus: I don't know if you're dyslexic, and I'm trying to avoid suspecting you as part retarded, but my name is pcj |
| 15:03.14 | Hobinheim | wow... |
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| 15:03.35 | Volus | ouch... |
| 15:04.26 | Volus | Anyway, how are you today, pcj? |
| 15:04.35 | pcj | Fine |
| 15:04.56 | Volus | I'm glad to hear it. |
| 15:05.51 | dreamss | lol |
| 15:06.02 | dreamss | thats not dyslexia |
| 15:06.03 | dreamss | newb |
| 15:06.30 | dreamss | (maybe there diferent types) usually the order is backwards jcp |
| 15:06.41 | pcj | http://www.answers.com/dyslexia&r=67 |
| 15:06.52 | pcj | "Common characteristics include problems with:" |
| 15:06.54 | pcj | "transposing letters in words" |
| 15:06.57 | Volus | What else have you been doing today other than watching that show about donkies on TV? |
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| 15:12.52 | pcj | Anyone else not like the icons on http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Races |
| 15:13.29 | Volus | Messy... |
| 15:14.04 | Volus | What does the emperor think? |
| 15:14.48 | Gryphen | messy |
| 15:15.05 | Kirkburn | eww |
| 15:15.19 | pcj | I'll revert that edit then :P |
| 15:15.24 | Kirkburn | Please |
| 15:15.38 | pcj | There |
| 15:16.35 | Volus | Phew. |
| 15:16.45 | Volus | (and I thought our page looked messy) |
| 15:17.09 | pcj | !jobqueue |
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| 15:18.42 | Volus | Høvelig. |
| 15:26.04 | pcj | !wwstats |
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| 15:29.53 | Hobinheim | man one day i make a navbar the next people go crazy =) |
| 15:30.02 | Hobinheim | that races thing is so bulky and unwieldly... |
| 15:30.05 | pcj | http://www.wowwiki.com/Nagrand_Mountain_Orphanage needs love |
| 15:30.28 | Hobinheim | maybe it could be broken up... |
| 15:30.42 | Hobinheim | i've always envisioned navbars to be very small, slender aids to bind things that are equal |
| 15:30.54 | Hobinheim | so... maybe races of azeroth could be a different bar than creatures |
| 15:30.59 | Hobinheim | i'll put it on my todo list... |
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| 15:32.06 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, it's hardly that big |
| 15:32.26 | Hobinheim | that's what she said |
| 15:32.32 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:32.49 | Hobinheim | i like things small and ninja... and a creature article is hardly equal to that of trolls |
| 15:32.58 | Hobinheim | equally weighted,equally cared, equally written about |
| 15:33.02 | Hobinheim | like the four elementals are equal |
| 15:33.12 | Hobinheim | warlock pets are equal |
| 15:33.23 | Hobinheim | but a warlock pet isn't equal to say... those shadow things that follow priests |
| 15:33.27 | Hobinheim | shadowfiend? |
| 15:33.36 | Kirkburn | Pages don't need to be equal, they just need to be relevant |
| 15:33.54 | Hobinheim | i'm still up for slendering it up a bit... relevant to one another, of course |
| 15:34.26 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 15:35.21 | Deshi | I have no idea what this convo is about but I would keep my shadowfiend over any warlock pet :) |
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| 15:36.52 | Enaress | anyone else sitting here waiting for 2.3 haha |
| 15:36.57 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:37.27 | Enaress | i feel like im the only person with my engineering flying mout mats, new repair bot mats, and sporeggar exalted rep (for new non-combat pet) |
| 15:37.32 | Enaress | mount* |
| 15:38.04 | Enaress | im still mad I cant tame the Amani Bear anymore |
| 15:38.28 | Kirkburn | :( |
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| 15:40.53 | Hobinheim | shadowfiends don't have whips and quips |
| 15:41.10 | Hobinheim | nor do they eat magic, rain from the sky, or kick your own ass |
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| 15:44.27 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, fixes the pop thing |
| 15:44.40 | Kirkburn | It wasn't the template, it was the article ... |
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| 15:46.45 | Zeal | moo |
| 15:47.15 | Zeal | "18:30 Old Gods speculation (diff; hist) . . (-666) . . Baggins (Talk | contribs) (?Old God of Hiji - )" <-- lol @ the characters removed :p |
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| 15:54.18 | Kirkburn | Zeal, lol, took me a while to work out what you meant :) |
| 15:54.52 | Zeal | :P |
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| 15:55.28 | Zeal | lol@navbars |
| 15:55.50 | Kirkburn | Yes, I know your view of them |
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| 16:00.05 | Volus | :) |
| 16:00.20 | Fisker- | no |
| 16:00.25 | Fisker- | DENIED |
| 16:01.46 | Volus | What? |
| 16:02.08 | Zeal | lol kirk |
| 16:02.39 | Fisker- | like in UT 3 |
| 16:03.06 | Volus | You didn't get any fish in your net yesterday, Fisker-? |
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| 16:03.50 | Fisker- | indeed i did |
| 16:04.06 | Volus | Really? |
| 16:04.13 | Fisker- | yup |
| 16:04.20 | Volus | What kind of fish? |
| 16:04.37 | Zeal | he caught a mudkip |
| 16:04.44 | Fisker- | zangarian sporefish or so |
| 16:05.20 | Volus | Sure it wasn't a mermaid :P |
| 16:05.44 | Bagginsww | ahh kirkburn I accidently stuck the pop outside the bracket :p |
| 16:05.48 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 16:05.59 | Kirkburn | Lunar Falls is no longer mentioned on WoWWiki :P |
| 16:06.21 | Bagginsww | lol, well most of their material was fanfic or highly exaggerated. |
| 16:06.30 | Kirkburn | indeed |
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| 16:09.12 | Bagginsww | hmm there is a server in europe named Dungalion? |
| 16:09.45 | Volus | No? |
| 16:09.45 | Kirkburn | Er, really doubt it |
| 16:10.00 | Volus | What makes you believe that? ^^ |
| 16:10.02 | Bagginsww | oh never mind someone reversed info on their page, putting their character name in the wrong place LOL |
| 16:11.31 | Volus | Hehe |
| 16:11.46 | Volus | Time for kviss! |
| 16:11.53 | Volus | eh, quiz. |
| 16:12.20 | Volus | What's the longest word of the Norwegian language? |
| 16:12.58 | Kirkburn | Oddly enough, we don't know norwegian, so I will guess "snow" |
| 16:13.14 | Bagginsww | It isn't supercalifragilisticexpealadocias |
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| 16:13.26 | Volus | No :) |
| 16:14.15 | Volus | Perhaps google knows the answer? :P |
| 16:15.21 | Volus | The answer is.... |
| 16:15.25 | Volus | Høyesterettsjustitiarius! |
| 16:17.13 | Volus | Next question. How many states are there in the U.S.A.? |
| 16:17.21 | Kirkburn | Five. |
| 16:18.03 | Volus | No... |
| 16:18.09 | Volus | Try again. |
| 16:18.09 | Kirkburn | Six? |
| 16:18.29 | Volus | There are 50 states in the U.S. |
| 16:18.40 | Kirkburn | omg, really? |
| 16:19.03 | Kirkburn | Does that include districts? |
| 16:20.30 | Volus | Next question: When did Tabetha release Thrall? |
| 16:20.50 | Bagginsww | maybe Volus is going for the "illegal states" |
| 16:21.03 | Bagginsww | in which some would discount Alaska, Hawaii and Texas |
| 16:21.43 | Bagginsww | Especially Hawaii and Texas as they became states through joint resolutions in congress, which isn't valid according to international law |
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| 16:22.11 | Bagginsww | oops misread, LOL |
| 16:22.29 | Volus | Which means that Bush shouldn't have been allowed to run for presidency, right? |
| 16:22.35 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 16:22.41 | equiraptor | Bush wasn't born in Texas. |
| 16:22.58 | equiraptor | I, as a Texan, do NOT claim that... insert nasty words here. |
| 16:23.06 | Volus | No? |
| 16:23.10 | Kirkburn | I'd be surprised if he was even born on this planet |
| 16:23.13 | equiraptor | haha |
| 16:23.28 | Bagginsww | what it means is there are movements to gain soverienty in those states, by trying to get sympathy from international law for the USA's illegal policies. |
| 16:23.56 | equiraptor | There've been movements to gain soverienty in Texas for longer than Texas has been part of the US. |
| 16:24.03 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 16:24.08 | Bagginsww | ya its part of the history |
| 16:24.13 | Volus | Question. |
| 16:24.22 | Volus | Why isn't New Mexico a part of Mexico? |
| 16:24.25 | Bagginsww | and Hawaii was originally sovereign |
| 16:24.42 | Bagginsww | Because its part of the USA |
| 16:24.43 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 16:24.47 | equiraptor | Texas wasn't *originally* sovereign, but the Republic of Texas did exist for 9 years. |
| 16:25.10 | equiraptor | Because New Mexico used to be part of Texas, back when we decided Mexico sucked and left it. Sorta. |
| 16:25.14 | Bagginsww | ya Republic wasn't acknowledged by mexico |
| 16:25.34 | Bagginsww | and barely acknowledged by the US |
| 16:25.51 | Volus | And now you can't leave the U.S. |
| 16:25.59 | equiraptor | "Born in New Haven, Connecticut on July 6, 1946, Bush was the first child of" See, he ain't no stinkin' Texan. |
| 16:26.00 | Volus | Last time someone tried it sparked a civil war. |
| 16:26.12 | equiraptor | Personally, I don't *want* to leave the US. |
| 16:26.20 | equiraptor | We've got a pretty nice deal, here. |
| 16:26.22 | Bagginsww | the only reason they didn't sign it through treaty of annexation was because Mexico was going to declare war on the USA if they did. |
| 16:26.33 | equiraptor | The current executive branch my SUCK, but I suspect it's still better than being independent. |
| 16:26.41 | Bagginsww | and they still went to war with the US, ;) |
| 16:27.15 | Bagginsww | bush family are trying to take over all the states :p |
| 16:27.37 | Bagginsww | luckily ol granny bush didn't have that many children. |
| 16:28.02 | Bagginsww | because a bush governor in every state would be creepy |
| 16:28.08 | Volus | Perhaps it's a part of the New American Century project? |
| 16:28.13 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 16:28.23 | Volus | "All hail emperor Bush!" |
| 16:28.59 | Bagginsww | if only Nader was his vice president, and you'd have Emperor Bush and Darth Nader |
| 16:29.58 | Volus | *Imperial Marsh* |
| 16:30.02 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 16:30.26 | Volus | March* |
| 16:30.59 | Volus | Anyway, are you going to vote for the Democrats at the next election? |
| 16:32.28 | Bagginsww | I'm democrat but I don't side with either side really. It'll depend on who ends up on the ballot. I'm not too impressed with Hillary Clinton personally. |
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| 16:33.19 | Volus | You know, both the negro and the woman are nice but we all know the white guy is gonna win anyway. |
| 16:33.28 | Bagginsww | sigh |
| 16:33.37 | Bagginsww | negro is offensive btw :p |
| 16:34.24 | Bagginsww | I like the black guy more than Hillary. |
| 16:35.04 | Bagginsww | but odds of having a black president with racism as rampant as it still is, is next to nil |
| 16:35.04 | Volus | I'm glad we have a king and not a president in Norway :) |
| 16:35.54 | Bagginsww | a true king with power? |
| 16:36.16 | Bagginsww | or I should say a true monarchy unlike say Britain? |
| 16:36.56 | Bagginsww | That is to say, you don't have a Prime Minister or the like? |
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| 16:37.57 | Volus | We have a prime minister, and I don't think the king has used his powers since WWII |
| 16:37.58 | Kirkburn | Elizabeth has power, she just doesn't use it |
| 16:40.07 | Kaso | I think that depends on how you define power |
| 16:40.38 | Bagginsww | true |
| 16:41.04 | Volus | If the King of Norway would use his powers without the consent of the parliament it would lead to a constitutional crisis. |
| 16:41.06 | Bagginsww | The monarchy just doesn't have the same amount of power it once had. |
| 16:41.34 | Volus | However, the constitution states: |
| 16:41.47 | Volus | Den udøvende Magt er hos Kongen, eller hos Dronningen hvis hun har erhvervet Kronen efter Reglerne i § 6 eller § 7 eller § 48 i denne Grundlov. Naar den udøvende Magt saaledes er hos Dronningen, har hun alle de Rettigheder og Pligter som ifølge denne Grundlov og Landets Love indehaves af Kongen. |
| 16:42.06 | Bagginsww | Constitutional monarchy is totally differen t beast than full hereditary monarchy. |
| 16:42.15 | Volus | "The executive power is vested in the King, or the Queen". |
| 16:42.41 | Bagginsww | so the king is the president in your system? |
| 16:43.08 | Bagginsww | where as correct me if I'm wrong, Prime Minister is the closest to the president in Britain? |
| 16:43.29 | Kirkburn | Reasonably fair |
| 16:43.42 | Kirkburn | Afaik he has less power though |
| 16:43.56 | Kirkburn | Frakkin' presidential vetos |
| 16:44.00 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 16:44.19 | Volus | Yeah, but the elected cabinet takes all the decitions, Baggins. |
| 16:44.25 | Kirkburn | "Oh, most people want this? Ah well, I don't so up yours." |
| 16:44.29 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 16:45.31 | Bagginsww | ya but congress can override a veto |
| 16:45.38 | Volus | The king is just rubberstamping. |
| 16:45.49 | Bagginsww | 2/3s majority |
| 16:46.29 | Bagginsww | you almost never hear about him but Japan still has an emperor heh. |
| 16:46.56 | Volus | Yeah. |
| 16:47.07 | Zeal | down with democracy! |
| 16:47.21 | Bagginsww | Viva Revolucion? |
| 16:47.36 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:48.10 | Volus | One of the differences between Britain and Norway is that it would be much easier to abolish the monarchy in Norway. The parliament would only have to amend the constitution. |
| 16:48.43 | Volus | You can't do that in Britain, right? |
| 16:48.52 | Zeal | Kirkburn, did you watch the C4 documentry about the Misrepresentation of the People act? |
| 16:50.22 | Volus | isrepresentation of the People act? |
| 16:50.36 | Volus | Misrepresentation of the People act?* |
| 16:52.09 | Kaso | Basically a law to stop our politicians lying. |
| 16:52.15 | Zeal | basically to put in place a system for average joe public to handle when MP's "misrepresent" us. lying etc. |
| 16:53.24 | Volus | How does it work? |
| 16:53.37 | Zeal | details weren't worked out. |
| 16:53.43 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Scarlet_Crusade#Major_Rework.3F |
| 16:53.53 | Bagginsww | So should we split the history of the crusade out of the article? |
| 16:53.58 | Zeal | iirc, last news was it was going to be reviewed in parliment on novermber 11th. |
| 16:54.47 | Volus | It'll never get through. Why should the politicians want a system like that? |
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| 16:55.11 | Kaso | because whoever votes for it will gain tonnes of confidence from the voting public |
| 16:55.39 | Zeal | indeed |
| 16:55.40 | Volus | But for how long? |
| 16:56.05 | Volus | For many politicians that would be like shooting oneself in the foot. |
| 16:56.23 | Kaso | perhaps, we'll have to see what becomes of it |
| 16:56.26 | Zeal | only if you're a bad politician ;) |
| 16:56.45 | Zeal | if you're good, it paves the way for you by removing all the bastards. |
| 16:57.21 | Volus | Well-well, we'll see. |
| 16:57.40 | Zeal | Bagginsww, that isn't what i got from it, and tbh that sounds liek utter stupidity. |
| 16:57.50 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 16:57.55 | Bagginsww | I do to |
| 16:58.13 | Bagginsww | I think WW:Lore neeads a rewrite to be more clear |
| 16:58.21 | Zeal | WTB reform of the citation and speculation of ww ;) |
| 16:58.28 | Zeal | *policies |
| 16:58.49 | Bagginsww | zeal can you come up with a new way of rephrasing the ww lore? |
| 16:58.50 | Volus | Anyway, the politicians will certainly find a way around it. One way would be giving the EU parliament more power. |
| 16:58.54 | Bagginsww | to make it more clear |
| 16:59.03 | Bagginsww | that what we don't want is ignoring info just because it isn't in wow |
| 17:00.48 | Zeal | i'd take do one of two things initally. solve the retcon through discussion and put that in the main article and provide a jump link to the speuclation section explaining the differences, with the citations and references and the decision of the retcon. Or you can take the middle ground in the main part of the article and still link to the speculation part and explain the issue. |
| 17:00.59 | Zeal | *-take |
| 17:01.43 | Zeal | middle ground being the general jist of it without pointing to specifics where issues lie. |
| 17:08.45 | Zeal | be nice to see something like a recton discussion and warning banner/in-line note tbh. |
| 17:09.27 | Volus | Perhaps I can help? |
| 17:10.40 | Zeal | something like "This lore contained in this section is currently being discussed to resolve the outcome of a retcon. You may join the discussion here" and "The lore contained in this section has recieved a retcon. Click here for the details of retcon. You may also view the archieve of the discussion here" |
| 17:10.43 | Zeal | or something.. |
| 17:10.59 | Zeal | could do it article wide too, ut i can't forsee where it would be used. |
| 17:11.03 | Zeal | *but |
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| 17:12.02 | Zeal | and of course, how you choose to decide the retcon is up to you, but i'm anti-vote ;) |
| 17:12.17 | Kirkburn | You're anti-vote? Glad we agree on something |
| 17:12.36 | Zeal | would much rather see the decision made by the bookeepers from a discussion. |
| 17:12.43 | Zeal | :o |
| 17:12.48 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Voting#Deletion_vote |
| 17:12.57 | Volus | What's anti-vote? |
| 17:13.36 | Zeal | oh, i meant globally kirk |
| 17:14.26 | Kirkburn | So do I, but I've given up trying to convince people on that |
| 17:14.31 | Zeal | ah |
| 17:15.34 | Kirkburn | At least, I want it to be less clearcut, so that there's room for common sense |
| 17:16.09 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Scarlet_Crusade |
| 17:16.14 | Bagginsww | I think I"ve cleaned it up a bit |
| 17:16.29 | Zeal | I like, Discuss, let respective admins discuss after that, their consensus wins. |
| 17:16.33 | Bagginsww | still needs a bit more work and I'm probably missing some of the redundant material. |
| 17:17.17 | Bagginsww | The admins stepped in and ignored that stupid idea to create a special tag for Manual of Monsters :p |
| 17:17.38 | Zeal | i like to be heard, but i don't expect things to be done my way. |
| 17:17.39 | Bagginsww | although we should probably note that on the page |
| 17:17.47 | Bagginsww | at the top |
| 17:17.51 | Zeal | ah |
| 17:17.55 | Zeal | pwn baggins :p |
| 17:18.03 | Zeal | glad they saw sense. |
| 17:18.31 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 17:18.38 | Bagginsww | well your last comment made the most sense |
| 17:18.55 | Bagginsww | besides I found even more weird references in the main MoM sections |
| 17:19.01 | Bagginsww | check out [[Dryad]] |
| 17:19.32 | Bagginsww | [[dryad]] |
| 17:19.33 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/dryad |
| 17:20.01 | Zeal | you'll get it eventually ;) |
| 17:20.30 | Bagginsww | newsbot is finnicky sometimes I can right a sentence and it picks up the link just fine |
| 17:20.33 | Bagginsww | other times it doesn't :p |
| 17:20.39 | Bagginsww | *write |
| 17:20.49 | Zeal | which part am i looking at? |
| 17:20.54 | Bagginsww | main dryad part |
| 17:21.16 | Bagginsww | let me find the specific quote |
| 17:21.47 | Bagginsww | A dryad has wild empathy and can use body language, vocalizations, and demeanor to improve the attitude of an animal (such as a badger or a tallstrider). The typical domestic animal has a starting attitude of indifferent, while wild animals are usually unfriendly. The dryad must be within thirty feet of the target animal and under normal conditions. A dryad can use this ability to influence a magical beast with low intelligence (s |
| 17:21.47 | Bagginsww | uch as a darkmantle or a girallon).MoM 22 |
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| 17:22.05 | Bagginsww | darkmantle and girallon? |
| 17:22.17 | Bagginsww | those aren't even in the appendix 3 LOL |
| 17:22.18 | Zeal | haha |
| 17:22.36 | Bagginsww | I think there were two two groups of authors to that book |
| 17:22.39 | Zeal | gg ^_^ |
| 17:22.40 | Bagginsww | the one that saw all of it as lore |
| 17:22.47 | Bagginsww | and individuals that didn't |
| 17:22.57 | Bagginsww | that would explain why some of material made it into the regular lore articles |
| 17:23.02 | Bagginsww | like mites |
| 17:23.27 | Bagginsww | I think it was the lore for shade, has references to "wights" |
| 17:23.52 | Zeal | "Perhaps female equivalent to ancients." speculation or needs a reference? :S |
| 17:24.25 | Bagginsww | its an observation based on appearance. |
| 17:24.45 | Bagginsww | we don't use the speculation banner for minor observations of that type LOL |
| 17:24.48 | Bagginsww | otherwise it would be too large |
| 17:25.07 | Zeal | tsk tsk tsk |
| 17:25.23 | Bagginsww | the big difference is that something can't be stated as fact |
| 17:25.29 | Bagginsww | it must have a qualifying term |
| 17:25.36 | Bagginsww | such as "perhaps" which means, or maybe not |
| 17:25.55 | Bagginsww | rather than it saying, They are the female equivalent to Ancients" |
| 17:26.24 | Zeal | but that doesn't work when you have in-universe speculation sitting along side it. which is speculation and which is not? a reader can't tell. |
| 17:26.38 | Bagginsww | in-universe speculation must always have a citation |
| 17:26.45 | Bagginsww | and obersvations must always be at the end |
| 17:27.13 | Zeal | could easily be mistaken and someone would throw a fact check on it thinking someone may have forgotten the citation ;) |
| 17:27.36 | Zeal | which is the speculation baner anyways? |
| 17:27.45 | Bagginsww | actually as an observation it needs the italics |
| 17:27.47 | Bagginsww | its missing that |
| 17:27.51 | Zeal | ah |
| 17:28.01 | Zeal | guess you can get away with that. |
| 17:28.37 | Zeal | but tbh, that observation could clearly have a paragraph written about it, it's only minor because it's a stub so far. |
| 17:28.52 | Kirkburn | Seems odd that no navbox exists on Scarlet Crusade |
| 17:29.22 | Bagginsww | ahh you rmeoved the clean up |
| 17:29.23 | Zeal | hm.. so you left the section+article banners : / *sigh* |
| 17:29.30 | Bagginsww | guess it looks better ot you now :) |
| 17:29.33 | Kirkburn | Well, you seem to have done a fair bit of work on it :) |
| 17:29.53 | Bagginsww | I've tried to break it apart as best as possible and remove redundant bits. |
| 17:30.37 | Bagginsww | speculation section probalby needs to be moved to the bottom |
| 17:31.08 | Bagginsww | and added subsection discussing the perceived retcons. |
| 17:31.09 | Zeal | is the mana wyrm image on the main page on any sort of rotation, or just felt like a change? |
| 17:31.17 | Kirkburn | Rotation Zeal :) |
| 17:31.25 | Zeal | ah, cool |
| 17:31.32 | Kirkburn | Changes in just over 6 hours |
| 17:31.39 | Zeal | ah |
| 17:31.50 | Kirkburn | (1 am) |
| 17:32.00 | Kirkburn | (since the server is on GMT) |
| 17:32.04 | Zeal | still a table layout, tsk tsk. |
| 17:32.18 | Zeal | :p |
| 17:32.22 | Bagginsww | kirkburn membership doesn't seem to work in factionbox |
| 17:32.25 | Kirkburn | lol, well, at least it's a wikicode table now |
| 17:32.46 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 17:32.52 | Kirkburn | Capital "M" |
| 17:33.00 | Kirkburn | I'll change that |
| 17:33.14 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 17:33.48 | Kirkburn | Fixed |
| 17:34.22 | Kirkburn | Zeal they're called "featured critters", if only because they're small images :P |
| 17:34.40 | Zeal | cool :P |
| 17:34.47 | t-motion | hello guys |
| 17:35.13 | t-motion | i still havea silly prob |
| 17:35.46 | Kirkburn | Too many balloons? |
| 17:35.51 | t-motion | css doesn't work thogether |
| 17:35.56 | Kirkburn | Clowns throwing pies everywhere? |
| 17:36.00 | t-motion | with the main page |
| 17:36.03 | t-motion | :D |
| 17:36.04 | Kirkburn | Oh, that's not very silly :( |
| 17:36.40 | Kirkburn | where? |
| 17:36.42 | t-motion | if i wrote in the code it works... |
| 17:37.03 | t-motion | or maybe |
| 17:37.31 | t-motion | the page don't see(i mean dont have any link for the css) |
| 17:38.23 | Kirkburn | Scarlet Crusade should really be on some kind of organisations nav template, perhaps one separate from rep factions, only for non-rep factions? |
| 17:38.38 | Kirkburn | t-motion, not sure what you mean |
| 17:40.40 | Bagginsww | well I'm off soon, take care everyone |
| 17:40.58 | Bagginsww | oh one last thing, did you see gadgetfingers additions? |
| 17:41.08 | Bagginsww | [[Temperate grassland]] |
| 17:41.09 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Temperate_grassland |
| 17:41.32 | Bagginsww | and |
| 17:41.40 | Bagginsww | [[tropical grassland]] |
| 17:41.40 | [NewsBot] | Bagginsww meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/tropical_grassland |
| 17:41.51 | Bagginsww | I question the validity of those articles |
| 17:42.01 | Bagginsww | plus its pure speculation |
| 17:42.19 | Bagginsww | doesn't match up with what the RPG says those zones are LOL |
| 17:42.31 | Zeal | Bioms? |
| 17:42.36 | Bagginsww | ya he added that too |
| 17:43.07 | Bagginsww | wowwiki isn't a scientific site, nor should we try to figure out what kind of place a place is specifically :p |
| 17:43.14 | Zeal | really doesn't qualify as something worth adding to not for areas, categorize by, let alone an article for each. |
| 17:43.19 | Zeal | aye |
| 17:43.35 | Bagginsww | if its written into an official source, that's one thing |
| 17:43.42 | Zeal | either way, those articles would make more sense as categorys, not articles. |
| 17:43.58 | t-motion | kickburn: the mainpage wasn't linked with the css. |
| 17:44.27 | t-motion | main page only use the common css |
| 17:44.43 | t-motion | not the wowwiki |
| 17:44.57 | Bagginsww | ya zeal |
| 17:45.04 | Bagginsww | only if they were correctly cited though LOL |
| 17:45.09 | Zeal | aye |
| 17:45.11 | Kirkburn | Freudian slip! |
| 17:45.13 | Kirkburn | "the horse, found in abundance in the region, although not wild, could fill this niece" |
| 17:45.25 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 17:45.28 | Zeal | haha |
| 17:45.48 | Bagginsww | does that qualify as beastiality or incest? |
| 17:45.57 | Zeal | incest, bestiality and pedophilia, that's a big combo slip. |
| 17:46.01 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 17:46.01 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 17:46.13 | Bagginsww | well a niece isn't necessarily underage |
| 17:46.17 | Bagginsww | but it could be |
| 17:46.19 | Bagginsww | *she |
| 17:46.23 | Zeal | not always no, but likely :P |
| 17:46.37 | Bagginsww | what do we call adult nieces? |
| 17:46.51 | Bagginsww | I know my mom is a niece to several people, LOL |
| 17:46.52 | Zeal | same |
| 17:49.05 | Zeal | people who would call someone a neice fill into three groups. dead people, old people, young people. which do we have mostly at ww? :P I have 2 nieces. 3 nephews. |
| 17:49.12 | Zeal | all well underage, lol. |
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| 17:53.41 | pcj | hi keolah :) |
| 17:55.01 | Zeal | O_o |
| 17:57.24 | Zeal | Bagginsww, did you get all that stuff i sent about the Nigthmare being concluded already and all the info missing from it's related articles because no one really knows it yet? :S though you've probably gone now.. |
| 17:58.02 | Bagginsww | I read it ya |
| 17:58.11 | Zeal | cool |
| 17:58.16 | Bagginsww | but that was a while ago right? |
| 17:58.54 | Zeal | 2 days ago i sent it, but if you mean when it happened, would have been when the epic flying mount quest line was added. |
| 17:59.05 | Bagginsww | oh I may have discussed it with someone else then |
| 17:59.10 | Bagginsww | a few months back |
| 17:59.13 | Zeal | hm.. we may have |
| 17:59.32 | Zeal | either that or i talked to Adys about it.. |
| 17:59.34 | Zeal | or kirk.. |
| 17:59.37 | Zeal | one of you, lol. |
| 17:59.45 | Bagginsww | but ya if you have the info summerized you should add it in |
| 17:59.54 | Zeal | i don't, and i won't ;) |
| 17:59.57 | Bagginsww | :p |
| 18:00.08 | Bagginsww | if you summerise it, with citations I'll add it in |
| 18:00.36 | Zeal | it's pretty much all in the quest line text, which is already on the wiki. |
| 18:01.06 | Zeal | but need to cross reference some of the quest info related to that old god in SMV too. |
| 18:01.19 | Zeal | dunno if that's already on the wiki. |
| 18:01.29 | Bagginsww | the ancient horror thing? |
| 18:01.43 | Zeal | er.. probably. |
| 18:01.47 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Ancient_and_powerful_evil |
| 18:01.49 | Kirkburn | Woah, Deadmines loot giving +11 stamina? (Rhahk'zor's Hammer) |
| 18:01.58 | Kirkburn | Only requires level 15 |
| 18:02.01 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:02.02 | Kirkburn | Damn I'd love that |
| 18:02.25 | Zeal | Bingo |
| 18:02.30 | Kirkburn | They weren't joking when they said they were buffing stuff :P |
| 18:02.43 | Zeal | and that speculation is exactly where i was going with my own theory. |
| 18:03.19 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 18:03.34 | Zeal | Anzu was brought form Azeroth to Draenor by the Arrokoa, he's since been in the Emerald Dream, causing the nightmate in an attempt to take control of it. You go kill him, then end. gg blizz, that sucked. |
| 18:03.36 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Emerald_Nightmare |
| 18:03.50 | Bagginsww | and that's been updated as far as Brann's info in the Player's guides |
| 18:04.28 | pcj | well they're also making XP easier so twinking with +11 sta hammer won't be so good |
| 18:04.35 | Zeal | Yeah, needs this newer info added. Anzu as the cause, then it's ended now due to his defeat. |
| 18:04.42 | Zeal | *that |
| 18:04.55 | Bagginsww | what is anzu doing in outland, when emerald dream is in AZeroth? |
| 18:05.10 | Zeal | well, "now" but as you would say for all wow events ;) |
| 18:05.11 | Bagginsww | or rather surroudns azeroth, sharing the same area :p |
| 18:05.33 | Zeal | exactly, he accessed it from Outland, which pissed me off, made no sense. |
| 18:05.43 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 18:06.06 | Bagginsww | although there is that theory in S&L that their may be an emerald dream for eery planet LOL |
| 18:06.15 | Zeal | It's like blizz thought, ok Emerald Dream expansion aint happening, let's jsut tuck this under the rug. |
| 18:06.29 | Bagginsww | I'm sure we'll get Emerald Dream later |
| 18:06.49 | Bagginsww | but ya it seems Anzu and Hakkar both must have been involved |
| 18:06.51 | Zeal | Possible, but it Azeroth's, as you deal through all of this via a druid in Azeroth. |
| 18:07.09 | Bagginsww | the sunken temple line discusses the nightmare too |
| 18:07.18 | Zeal | aye |
| 18:07.23 | Bagginsww | part of that freeing of Eranikus bit |
| 18:07.32 | Bagginsww | and his connection to hakkar |
| 18:07.41 | Bagginsww | so if both were the cause we have destroyed both \ |
| 18:08.12 | Bagginsww | this happened really late in the timeline though as Hakkar was just appearing in ZG in Brann's timeline |
| 18:08.24 | Bagginsww | The sunken temple battle had already happened |
| 18:08.50 | Zeal | Way it honeslty read out to me, Anzu was one of Azeroth's Old Gods, who was summoned to Draenor. Hakkar was likely his servent based on what we know of Hakkar working for said Old God causing the nightmare. Make sense given Anzu is the "raven goddess" and he's the father of wind serpents essentially. |
| 18:09.10 | Bagginsww | he is probably a lesser old god |
| 18:09.16 | Bagginsww | not one of "The Five" |
| 18:09.23 | Kirkburn | Aye, I can't believe he's one of the five |
| 18:09.34 | Kirkburn | Blizz would certainly made something of it if it was |
| 18:09.40 | Bagginsww | ya and he's tiny |
| 18:09.42 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Old_Gods |
| 18:09.48 | Bagginsww | btw that's all the hinted old gods there |
| 18:09.52 | Zeal | I find it hard to beleive too, but the quest line said he is the cause, and the Nigthmare has ended, people released. |
| 18:09.56 | Bagginsww | or minions |
| 18:10.05 | Kirkburn | Does it really say the nightmare is ended? |
| 18:10.06 | Zeal | So if he does have a boss, the boss wasn't causing the nightmare. |
| 18:10.20 | Bagginsww | He's probably a minion of Hakkar |
| 18:10.30 | Zeal | will have to check the wording, i'm fairly sure it doesn't say it in a simpel statement liek that. |
| 18:10.58 | Kirkburn | Looking at the quest, the text doesn't say as much |
| 18:11.11 | Bagginsww | however I think nightmare would have been nearly impossible to do in an emerald dream expansion |
| 18:11.24 | Bagginsww | just like they couldn't do a truly morphing version of the twisting nether |
| 18:11.40 | Kirkburn | There's also the fact that if the Emerald Dream is returning to normal, Malfurion should be able to return for Northrend |
| 18:11.45 | Bagginsww | only way they could have had mobile nightmare was if it was a wather patern with a debuff |
| 18:11.49 | Zeal | aye kirk. |
| 18:12.08 | Bagginsww | unless its a false fix |
| 18:12.15 | Bagginsww | and they only think they destroyed the nightmare |
| 18:12.21 | Bagginsww | maybe only weakened it :) |
| 18:12.37 | Bagginsww | that's the biggest problem with in-universe opinions :p |
| 18:14.02 | Bagginsww | If Malfurion returns, then we'd need that confrontation with Staghelm |
| 18:14.08 | Kirkburn | Going thru the questline on the wiki atm - it doesn't specifically say the whole nightmare was defeated, but certainly a part of it |
| 18:14.09 | Zeal | ok, wiki doesn't have the full text. |
| 18:14.19 | Zeal | oh? |
| 18:14.22 | Kirkburn | There's more text? |
| 18:14.25 | Zeal | i'm not even seeing that much :P |
| 18:14.25 | Bagginsww | as Malfurion and others think it as Staghelm that got him |
| 18:15.07 | Kirkburn | Well true, it doesn't really even say anything after you defeat Anzu, just "well done" |
| 18:15.33 | Zeal | and i beleive there is a book of text too missing. |
| 18:15.36 | Bagginsww | also another bit, isn't teldrassyl corruption implied to somewhat caused by the nightmare? |
| 18:16.28 | Zeal | never really said what, just there is something corrupting it. They blame it on being made without the dragon's blessing, but they say it has to be something more for it to have this much effect so quickly. |
| 18:16.50 | Bagginsww | I mean I think the rpg hinted at it |
| 18:16.54 | Zeal | ah |
| 18:17.13 | Bagginsww | and those weird shrine trees appeared aorund the same time as I recall |
| 18:17.16 | Bagginsww | same time as the corruption |
| 18:17.18 | Zeal | guess i'll look via wowhead. |
| 18:17.58 | Bagginsww | Staghelm is involved somehow, either directly, or he's at least beng blamed. |
| 18:18.04 | Bagginsww | perhaps framejob |
| 18:18.19 | Zeal | well he's a dick, so yeah.. blame him :P |
| 18:18.43 | Zeal | wow, didn't realize how big anzu appears. |
| 18:18.46 | Kirkburn | Hmm, looking at the flight questline on wowhead, no other info around, but of course stuff could have been spoken |
| 18:18.47 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 18:19.27 | Zeal | well i know it's not spoken i'm missing, as i checked it all via wh originally. |
| 18:19.38 | Bagginsww | be honest I don't like the "noteable "race" sections in articles |
| 18:19.45 | Bagginsww | some of them are getting a bit longwinded |
| 18:19.54 | Zeal | just i know there were bits external to the quest line as shown on wowhead. |
| 18:20.40 | Kirkburn | "notable" goddamit :P |
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| 18:21.15 | Kirkburn | yeah, there should be a reasonable limit, but it's a bit hard with the humans and orcs |
| 18:23.06 | Kirkburn | I mean, one can always make a "List of notable humans" page |
| 18:23.14 | Bagginsww | I'd prefer that personally |
| 18:23.17 | Bagginsww | and link out to it |
| 18:23.38 | Kirkburn | Aye, like the quests links |
| 18:23.41 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 18:23.54 | Bagginsww | we already did it for the knights of the silverhand page too |
| 18:24.01 | Bagginsww | and pally page in general |
| 18:24.15 | Kirkburn | It's up to you :P Going afk for a little while |
| 18:25.34 | Bagginsww | I'm going to school myself |
| 18:25.35 | Bagginsww | take care |
| 18:25.53 | pcj | I'll hold down the fort then |
| 18:29.31 | Zeal | It's the key to unraveling the mystery of the raven god and preventing him from taking over the Emerald Dream. |
| 18:29.36 | Zeal | woops |
| 18:29.55 | Zeal | well that's the only noteworth quote.. though i wanna check the other quest line in smv. |
| 18:30.44 | Zeal | figuring out which quest line that is though.. lol |
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| 18:37.06 | Zeal | "The spirits of the dark conclave seek to summon an ancient and powerful evil through a ritual conducted at the lava pits to the south of the Sketh'lon Base Camp. |
| 18:37.18 | Zeal | could have sworn there was more to go on, oh well. |
| 18:37.34 | Zeal | guess my speculation was running rampant. |
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| 18:41.03 | Zeal | So yeah, back to the facts. Arrakoa ghosts summoning ancient evil that looks like C'Thun in SMV. You stop them. Anzu, a self-proclaimed god, worshipped by the Arrakoa, enters the Emerald Dream from Outlands, creates all this disturbance in the ED that keeps people in it (Possible this isn't the Nightmar,e but sounds far too like it not to be), You found out he's causing it, you fool him into leaving the ED and kill him. the end |
| 18:41.29 | Zeal | With his death and leaving the ED, that SHOULD have ended the nightmare, but it's never said. |
| 18:42.23 | Zeal | hm.. thinking i need to re-read about Anzu's past, if he was summoned to Outland or what. |
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| 18:55.14 | Zeal | bah, nothing. |
| 18:55.39 | Zeal | and i think i can say more decisively now, i was wrong. no way those 2 are linked. |
| 18:58.21 | Zeal | different tribes and beliefs, the former failed, they don't look alike, etc. |
| 18:59.41 | Zeal | i initally throught the former was simply showing what happened before, not what is happening. stupid ghosts.. not ment to be doing "stuff" |
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| 19:45.46 | Kirkburn | Zeal, fun :) |
| 19:46.28 | Zeal | Ghost are supposed to haunt or just do ghostly stuff.. not try and carry on releasing evil on the living world ;) |
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| 20:10.35 | t-motion | cs problem ahs been solved |
| 20:10.38 | t-motion | css |
| 20:12.01 | pcj | hooray |
| 20:12.20 | t-motion | LOL, yeah |
| 20:13.26 | t-motion | and i got a new article writer, so now make by two hands |
| 20:13.38 | t-motion | 2 is better than 1 |
| 20:17.46 | kadrahil | pulled an all nighter last night |
| 20:17.52 | kadrahil | mt |
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| 20:25.50 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn, did you graduate yet |
| 20:26.51 | Kirkburn | Pretty much |
| 20:27.29 | Hobinheim | pretty much? that's neither yes nor no :confused: |
| 20:27.37 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 20:27.55 | Kirkburn | I've finished Uni, won't have the ceremony for a little while |
| 20:28.02 | Kirkburn | To all intents and purposes, yes :P |
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| 20:28.40 | Hobinheim | intensive porpoises... |
| 20:28.56 | Hobinheim | are you gonna do engineering or web stuff |
| 20:36.22 | pcj | yep |
| 20:39.38 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, I'm working for Wikia :) |
| 20:39.51 | Kirkburn | This is my job :P |
| 20:40.15 | Kirkburn | Feel free to hate me ^^ |
| 20:41.27 | Dotted | Kirkburn you cruel person, now you made Hobinheim cry :( |
| 20:41.33 | Dotted | YOU SHOULD BE ASHEMED! |
| 20:41.45 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 20:43.01 | Hobinheim | tell me i'm not IMing you in dead space |
| 20:43.12 | Dotted | yup |
| 20:43.42 | Hobinheim | flakey, flakey internet connections... |
| 20:45.29 | pcj | hmm i've been thinking about making it so you can hide/show the set items/bonuses via javascript |
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| 20:47.43 | pcj | !jobuque |
| 20:47.46 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 20:47.47 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 1736 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 28mins 56secs. |
| 20:47.52 | Volus | Wikia pays you? |
| 20:48.39 | Dotted | yes Volus |
| 20:49.00 | Volus | No, they don't pay you, Dotted :P |
| 20:49.21 | Dotted | i was talking about Kirkburn >_> |
| 20:49.57 | Dotted | also i need a translation of what the wowwiki norge leader is saying to me in the talk page |
| 20:49.59 | Volus | Ok ;) |
| 20:50.07 | Kirkburn | I have a job with Wikia, yes, and wowwiki only makes up a very small part of it |
| 20:50.43 | Volus | It's full time job? |
| 20:53.26 | Volus | Well, night-night Dotted and Kirkburn. |
| 20:53.32 | Kirkburn | night |
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| 20:54.49 | FullDolphinX | Do we know what Sunwell isle is? |
| 20:54.53 | FullDolphinX | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Sunwell_Isle |
| 20:57.27 | Kirkburn | no :( |
| 20:59.11 | FullDolphinX | K |
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| 21:12.04 | Adys | zomg |
| 21:12.06 | Adys | hi Hobinheim |
| 21:12.19 | Hobinheim | o7 yo. |
| 21:12.41 | Adys | Kirkburn: you think you'd be able to debug some lua shit for me? :p |
| 21:13.10 | Hobinheim | i wonder why blizzard cares so much about their product.... or rather, why is it that companies don't care as much as blizzard |
| 21:13.15 | Hobinheim | so many UI/engine enhancements... |
| 21:13.17 | Kaso | I can take a look if if i'll do adys ? |
| 21:13.20 | Hobinheim | so deliciously awesome... |
| 21:13.24 | Adys | that'd be awesome kaso |
| 21:13.52 | Hobinheim | "Pets will try to get behind their targets when engaging in melee combat. " wow.... |
| 21:15.50 | Bibi` | actually it shouldn't be that hard (not easy either) |
| 21:16.06 | Bibi` | they already have localized attacks for skills like backstab |
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| 21:43.29 | Kirkburn | Bagginsww, this picture - http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Scarlet_Crusade_Tabard.jpg |
| 21:43.38 | Kirkburn | Er, are we sure it's anything to do with the Scarlet Crusade? |
| 21:44.01 | Kirkburn | I'm standing in front of Stormpike Emissaries who are displaying that flag |
| 21:46.12 | Kirkburn | I've removed it from the SC article |
| 21:46.43 | Kaso | http://www.wowhead.com/images/screenshots/resized/23475.jpg |
| 21:46.48 | Kaso | definitely stormpike >.< |
| 21:47.11 | Kaso | i wonder if thats a silly user uploading the wrong image, or silly blizzard for using the wrong image for the stormpike guys |
| 21:49.36 | Kirkburn | It's been there for a looooong time |
| 21:51.38 | Kaso | and yet you're the first person to notice that article was wrong, clearly you're a better observer than us |
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| 21:53.13 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:53.22 | Kirkburn | It's confused me before |
| 21:53.40 | Kirkburn | It's just that I was looking at the article whilst running past them |
| 21:54.15 | pcj | stupid wowwiki :'( |
| 21:54.20 | pcj | mediawiki rather |
| 21:54.25 | Kirkburn | ? |
| 21:54.48 | pcj | It doesn't mix raw HTML and template code very well |
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| 22:17.41 | pcj | hahaha i did it :D |
| 22:18.29 | Fisker- | sdo a barrel roll pcj |
| 22:24.26 | pcj | !jobqueue |
| 22:24.28 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 50296 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 13hrs 58mins 16secs. |
| 22:24.31 | pcj | pwned |
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| 22:28.03 | foxlit | 23:52, 26 October 2007 Pcj (Talk | contribs | block) m (6,853 bytes) (Undo revision 941898 by Pcj (talk)) [rollback] |
| 22:28.18 | foxlit | Something tells me we need Pcj-proctection on that template |
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| 22:30.15 | foxlit | Why did you want that edit to begin with, anyway? |
| 22:30.28 | pcj | Which edit |
| 22:30.39 | foxlit | Today's messing with Template:Tooltip |
| 22:31.12 | pcj | Trying to get Settip to work with it, MediaWiki didn't like me trying to close the UL tag so i could get a span in there |
| 22:31.25 | foxlit | Settip works with it! :) |
| 22:31.36 | pcj | Settip to work with my changes :P |
| 22:31.50 | foxlit | Couldn't you do it in /Dev? |
| 22:32.52 | foxlit | Doesn't make a lot of sense to break UL there either |
| 22:33.14 | pcj | break UL where |
| 22:33.34 | foxlit | Same edit |
| 22:33.46 | pcj | Yes, I agree |
| 22:34.42 | Oree | what is the GCD on? 1.5 or 1.4 ? |
| 22:34.52 | Kaso | 1.5 |
| 22:34.56 | Oree | thx |
| 22:35.01 | Kaso | why would it be 1.4 seconds |
| 22:35.24 | pcj | because blizzard is messing with our minds |
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| 22:35.42 | Oree | is there a reason 1.4 is absurd? |
| 22:35.46 | foxlit | protection scheme makes no sense :/ |
| 22:35.56 | foxlit | We protect stuff like ambox but leave Tooltip open |
| 22:36.33 | Kaso | Well whereas 1.5 is a fairly round figure ( 1 and half sec ) 1.4 is what, 1 and 2 fifths of a seconds? wierd |
| 22:38.06 | foxlit | Did you know that nexus transform cooldown is 47 hours? |
| 22:38.37 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: actually, tooltip is supposed to be protected, its just that nooblets like pcj feel the need to edit it every two weeks |
| 22:39.05 | foxlit | Let nooblets play with /Dev and submit change requests :) |
| 22:39.09 | foxlit | Saves CPU time in the end |
| 22:39.38 | Sky2042_afk | foxlit: i quite agree |
| 22:39.50 | Sky2042_afk | so protect it and stop the madness |
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| 22:40.10 | Kaydeethree|2 | gah. weird using windows again |
| 22:43.11 | Kirkburn | I reprotected it |
| 22:43.17 | Kirkburn | I meant to reprotect it before >< |
| 22:48.27 | piu | kirkburn can you flag my bot account so I don't spam RC |
| 22:48.43 | piu | I'm gonna start those categorization things |
| 22:49.02 | Kaso | If you're using a script make a second account for botting, otherwise if you're doing human edits you dont need a bot flag |
| 22:49.23 | piu | I just registered as "Piubot" |
| 22:49.40 | piu | to do the recats requested on the bot request pages |
| 22:49.44 | Kaso | fair enough |
| 22:49.45 | Kirkburn | I need to see it working perfectly in action before I flag it |
| 22:49.56 | piu | sure, I'll do a small category first |
| 22:50.21 | foxlit | http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20071002 |
| 22:51.13 | Kaso | One of the biggest causes of security breaches is too strict password rules :> |
| 22:51.14 | piu | before I do: what's a generally accepted throttle time, 10 seconds sound good? |
| 22:51.34 | Kaso | i used 10 on mine when i was doing it most of the time |
| 22:51.46 | Kaso | then increasing if the wiki was particulally slow or whatever. |
| 22:52.00 | foxlit | I use 15 between completing an edit and thinking about the next one |
| 22:52.32 | foxlit | Thinking probably takes 1-3s as well, depending on complexity |
| 22:52.33 | piu | I'll start big to err on the side of caution |
| 22:56.47 | Kaso | Wow im suprised to see that every one of User:Kaso/Poor Quality Items in now a blue link |
| 22:56.54 | Kaso | thats some good work from foxbot there |
| 22:57.11 | pcj | kek |
| 22:57.11 | foxlit | Blame pcj! :) |
| 22:57.29 | pcj | you have some of them listed multiple times btw |
| 22:57.43 | Kaso | oh? thats odd |
| 22:57.55 | Kaso | [[User:Kaso/Random_Suffix_Items]] needs work though |
| 22:57.55 | [NewsBot] | Kaso meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kaso/Random_Suffix_Items |
| 22:58.16 | pcj | for example, search Ragged Leather Vest |
| 22:59.03 | pcj | foxlit, foxbot :PP |
| 22:59.14 | foxlit | sleep! |
| 22:59.24 | pcj | nooo |
| 22:59.27 | foxlit | And I still need a working v2 core / relevant modules |
| 22:59.42 | foxlit | Rewriting code you already wrote is terribly annoying |
| 22:59.59 | Kaso | at least you arent rewriting code you've already rewritten before |
| 23:00.02 | foxlit | Especially if I can't make it work quite right |
| 23:01.47 | foxlit | Modules aren't shielded from each other properly, the Start/Stop/Suspend/Resume system sucks, wtb async HTTP sockets, and, generally, better API :*( |
| 23:02.05 | foxlit | Plus inter-module requirements aren't respected when requesting something to be terminated |
| 23:03.41 | foxlit | On the bright side, http://foxlit.pastey.net/75853-3m4r |
| 23:04.58 | Kaso | Wow |
| 23:05.05 | Kaso | almost ever item was duped in that list.. |
| 23:06.43 | Kaso | oh wait hang on, im confused a bt now |
| 23:08.47 | Kaso | there we go |
| 23:08.50 | Kaso | nearly 300 dupes removed |
| 23:09.46 | piu | OK, did a small cat everything worked |
| 23:11.50 | foxlit | Hrm, more persistent shadowing might work |
| 23:12.08 | Kirkburn | What's the "authors" thing? |
| 23:12.56 | piu | authors? |
| 23:13.32 | Kirkburn | (Robot: Moved from Category:Zone:Deadwind Pass. Authors: Aeleas, D. F. Schmidt, Spork, CrazyJack, Mikk, Fandyllic, Roberts, Anticrash, Ramstein, FeldmanSkitzoid, Thricej37, Tidywave, LemonBaby)) |
| 23:13.40 | foxlit | [[User:Piubot]]: tell us about yourself :) |
| 23:13.56 | piu | oh, it probably pulled that from the revision history on the old category page |
| 23:14.09 | foxlit | Something in the stile of [[User:KasoBot]] would be great |
| 23:14.24 | piu | it copies all content from it, but can't copy the revision history obviously |
| 23:14.32 | piu | since you can't move categories |
| 23:39.38 | Kirkburn | Oooh, paid name changes |
| 23:40.25 | piu | ninjawash service |
| 23:40.44 | piu | unless they make name changes public |
| 23:41.34 | piu | of course, it's no different than transfers |
| 23:42.34 | Kaso | Grr, i hate steam |
| 23:42.58 | Kaso | why cant it let me keep playing my old version of the game whilst its downloading the new patch |
| 23:43.20 | Kaso | but no! it has to disable my access to portal, then tell me the steam servers are too busy to let me download my update |
| 23:43.21 | Kaso | great!" |
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| 23:50.30 | Kirkburn | A Portal update? |
| 23:52.41 | Kaso | All i know is HLEp2 portal and TF2 are all showing Downloading 0% at the moment for me |
| 23:53.09 | Kaso | prob some bugfix patch for source2007 |
| 23:53.21 | Kaso | either that or my PC hates me and is making up reasons why i cant play portal |
| 23:55.38 | Kirkburn | No problem here |
| 23:55.43 | Kirkburn | TF2 had an update though |
| 23:55.51 | Kirkburn | Btw, joined the steam community? |
| 23:56.22 | Kaso | No, i havent looked at that newfangled nonsense |
| 23:56.33 | Kaso | is that really any reason for steam community to exist at all? |
| 23:56.59 | Kirkburn | Gawd, you're like an old man |
| 23:57.03 | Kaso | haha |
| 23:57.19 | Kirkburn | Yes, it's fun because there's a wowwiki community and we can see each other on there |
| 23:57.36 | Kaso | I'll tell you back in my day i had to treck ten miles in the snow to get to facebook if i wanted to socialise! |
| 23:57.42 | Kirkburn | lol |
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| 23:58.28 | Kirkburn | Morning sannse |
| 23:58.36 | *** mode/#wowwiki [-o sannse] by sannse |
| 23:58.48 | Kaso | I think i actually do have an community account, only cos the strange sweede who stole my account made one in his name |
| 23:58.48 | sannse | afternoon Kirkburn |
| 23:59.29 | Kirkburn | Kaso, I'm confused |
| 23:59.38 | Kirkburn | The Steam community is an automatic part of Steam |
