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00:48.40KirkburnYay for Bibi -
00:50.03Bibi`The Mind Control and Possession action bar has been revamped.
00:50.06Bibi`When you are possessing a target (Priest Mind Control, Eyes of the Beast, using a Steam Tonk, etc), you now get their action bar as your primary action bar rather than having a mini action bar above your normal action bar.
00:50.11Bibi`I think it was a replacement, not an addition
00:50.17Bibi`there is another one iirc
00:51.05KirkburnRemoved the other line, ta
00:57.53KirkburnBtw, Company of Heroes is pretty cool :P
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01:01.19Bibi`didn't like it
01:01.32Bibi`well, it's nice to play the campaign once
01:01.37Bibi`that's all
01:02.24KirkburnLike explosm? and
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01:12.11KeolahIs there some obscure shortcut or command or something that causes the camera to be locked pointing north?
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01:54.46Sky2042_afkDotted: yes it does.
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02:29.49Sky2042whatcha doin?
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02:49.52KirkburnTim Schafer + Jack Black = yay!
02:51.23KirkburnHey Sky2042
02:51.35KirkburnI'm going to bed, and hoping for a lovely wake up call
02:51.44Sky2042lol, from who?
02:51.50KirkburnNever you mind :)
02:52.01KirkburnBtw, Brutal Legend looks awesome
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02:52.32KirkburnC'mon Jack Black in a video game, with the guy behind Psychonauts at the helm. Pure bliss.
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02:53.33KirkburnEvening sannse
02:53.53Sky2042that looks like a rather pointless game, and i was only halfway through
02:54.02Sky2042could be me though.
02:54.33KirkburnIf you haven't played Psychonauts, you damn well should
02:55.14KirkburnIt was somewhat of a revelation in how to make a good comedic platform-adventure
02:57.14Sky2042not my type, i think. how old is psychonauts?
02:58.05KirkburnTwo years-ish
02:58.11KirkburnIt's on Steam
02:58.27KirkburnWow, and only $20
02:58.28Sky2042ah. steam sucks :|
02:58.39KirkburnMetascore is 87
02:58.52KirkburnFixing your issues would take years :P
02:59.26Sky2042no doubt
02:59.52Sky2042nah, apparently steam doesn't work with "Internet Connection Sharing", which I'm still not quite sure what that does :|
03:00.03KirkburnI've played it 3 times now, the imagination in one level of Psychonauts outplays most other games
03:00.04dreamssits a buildin proxy
03:00.13Sky2042dreamss: how to get rid of plx? xD
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03:00.30KirkburnIt doesn't work with ICS? ouch
03:00.33KirkburnGet a router
03:00.38dreamssits on your network options
03:00.46dreamssone of your cardds is set for ics
03:00.49KirkburnGet a new PC
03:01.08KirkburnGet a new mouse. That'll fix it.
03:01.14Sky2042Kirkburn: PC... yeah... no.
03:01.28Sky2042bought this one a year or two ago from a wee bit of cash I saved up
03:01.38Sky2042jipped because i wanted screen space. oh well.
03:01.41dreamssgo to network options
03:01.48dreamsspropities your connection
03:01.54dreamss2nd or 3rd tab
03:02.19KirkburnI'm still amazed by the sheer size of my new PC. Caverous inside.
03:02.20AdysFisker-: you there?
03:04.13dreamsscant find linkx on ICS
03:04.15dreamssgoogle ftw
03:05.10KirkburnOmg, new Double Fine (developer of Brutal Legend) website!
03:05.24Sky2042Kirkburn: you're so strange
03:05.37KirkburnSeriously, that website is great
03:05.47KirkburnTim Schafer makes the weirdest news posts
03:06.11Adysit looks like a pre 2001 post 2002 website :P
03:06.43Fisker-You can now fish in Ironforge again.
03:06.54Fisker-I got myself a cooked fish!
03:07.25Kirkburn...But not our pals at Sierra. They have embraced this game like a mama bear hugging a baby cub. And when the cub was hungry, the mamma bear reached into the creek and pulled out a salmon for us, named Jack Black. And he was delicious. After we ate that salmon (and by “ate” I mean cast him in our starring role, the roadie Eddie Riggs) the baby cub said, “That salmon was perfect, but now we’d like something swee
03:07.26Kirkburnt. Maybe a thin chocolate wafer,” the momma bear reached into that cool, mountain stream and pulled out Lemmy Kilmister from Motörhead
03:07.38dreamssthere is how to setup ICS
03:07.42dreamssu just go backwards
03:08.08KirkburnAnd when the baby bear said, “And maybe a single espresso,” the momma bear pulled out Rob Halford from Judas Priest. And when the baby bear said, “Oh, I’m so stuffed. But you know what would really hit the spot would be some Ronnie James Dio,” the momma went into the woods and found a hunter. She stalked that hunter for days, and then charged him, tackled him, and tore out his guts. Then she ate the guts, all
03:08.40Sky2042ok, let me interject this: i'm on a wireless broadband connection... can i kill it without affecting my ability to connect to the internet? :|
03:08.41KirkburnAfter that, the momma bear did many more things. Awesome things. Unspeakable things. And the baby bear was happy. But the baby bear can’t tell you what they are, because they’re secret, and because bears can’t speak English.
03:08.49Fisker-When you are possessing a target (Priest Mind Control, Eyes of the Beast, using a Steam Tonk, etc), you now get their action bar as your primary action bar rather than having a mini action bar above your normal action bar.
03:10.50Kirkburnlol, what to do in game stores, as told by Tim Schafer:
03:10.53Kirkburn"And then see if you can find any pre-owned copies of Psychonauts and move them up to the eye-level shelf, like I do when I go to game stores"
03:11.14KirkburnI think I might have to do the same :)
03:14.36Fisker-Why are people retarded?
03:15.07Fisker-ooh fun
03:15.13Fisker-new Firefox design
03:15.20Fisker-but Microsoft didn't make a new design for IE
03:15.22Fisker-what gives?
03:15.37Kirkburn|sleepFisker-, >_>
03:15.47Kirkburn|sleepNo-one knows what IE8 looks like yet :P
03:16.09Kirkburn|sleepIt'll be more customizable than 7 at least
03:16.17Fisker-But it usually appears that when Microsoft update their design Firefox usually gets updated with it
03:17.31Fisker-Divine Favor: When this ability is cast immediately after a critical heal, it will no longer be removed incorrectly. <-yays
03:18.47AdysFisker-: !
03:19.01Fisker-Adys: !
03:19.08AdysFisker-: ?
03:19.17Fisker-shit is it
03:19.17Adysoh yeah
03:19.56Adysmade mahself an admin tab :)
03:19.58Fisker-I don't use Failfox
03:20.00Fisker-or Firefail
03:20.05Fisker-or however you wanna put it
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03:20.35Adysyou suck
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03:21.37Fisker-work tiem
03:22.27Fisker-no it's not download firefox-time
03:22.38Fisker-pwnt and so forth
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03:28.59Adysa bit more to the left
03:30.30Fisker-ok :)
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04:29.07KeolahI have a new wise saying.
04:29.11Keolah"There is nothing to fear but the Fear spell."
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05:02.14Sky2042pcj: I <3 u
05:02.21Sky2042fails to be on
05:02.22Sky2042oh well
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05:20.07Bagginswsky you do know that kindom of stormwind is just called "stormwind" most of the time right?
05:20.32Bagginswother times its split equally down the middle of Kingdom or nation of stormwind :p
05:21.11Sky2042the move was for aestethics. where possible, do try to avoid parantheses
05:21.16Sky2042i can't speel
05:21.21Bagginswsky we do that for all the nations
05:21.27Sky2042do we now?
05:21.36Bagginsw[[Lordaeron (kingdom)]]
05:21.37[NewsBot]Bagginsw meant:
05:21.59Bagginswwe also tend to avoid using too many "blah of blah"
05:22.16Bagginswso Isle of Kezan
05:22.18Bagginswis just Kezan
05:22.22Sky2042does it have the name of "Kingdom of Lordaeron" in lore?
05:22.23Bagginswor Kezan Isle
05:22.40Bagginswyep same way different sources call it a variety of things
05:22.52Bagginswnation of lordaeron, kingdom of lordaeron
05:22.54Sky2042then why isn't it at "Kingdom of Lordaeron"? :|
05:22.56Bagginswjust plain lordaeron
05:23.05Bagginswbecause more source just call it "lordaeron"
05:23.21Bagginswstormwind used to be the same way at one time
05:23.33Bagginswgotta catch a ride be back in abit
05:23.35Sky2042then go with the specific way then? the rd's aren't gonna kill people xD
05:31.15Bagginswwso anyways sky the main issue is that we have like don't generally do Continent of Azeroth, Continent of Lordaeron etc
05:31.28BagginswwWorld of Azeroth :p
05:32.05Bagginswwin most cases when official articles discuss those concepts, its just plain "Azeroth", "Lordaeron" etc
05:32.44Sky2042true, but you /never/ see "Continent of Azeroth". ever. You do see "Kingdom of Azeroth", though
05:34.10Bagginswwless than just Azeroth though
05:34.39Sky2042true, but that's a silly point to be making.
05:34.50Sky2042give it it's proper name, no? ;)
05:35.00Bagginswwproper name is "Azeroth" LOL
05:36.51Sky2042you realize you just proved my point?...
05:37.06Bagginswwif you go back to thew warcraft 2 manual
05:37.08Bagginswwits just "azeroth"
05:37.23Bagginswwactually sky you'll notice I was referencing the info from APG
05:37.28Bagginswwwhich is just "azeroth"
05:37.40Sky2042fine then, that's azeroth
05:37.56Bagginswwand in Lands of Conflict, Stormwind is just Stormwind
05:38.09Bagginswwas are most references to Stormwind in APG as well LOL
05:38.43Sky2042and? you still haven't proved the point that the correct name is "Kingdom of ...". More used, yes. Perhaps it was abbreviated to save paper :|
05:40.16Bagginswwproper name is just "Stormwind", LOL
05:40.29Bagginswwor if you take ToD we could call it "Nation of Stormwind" ;)
05:40.42Sky2042then call it Nation of SW.
05:41.06Bagginswwor we could call it Country of Stormwind
05:41.13BagginswwI've seen that too :)
05:41.30Bagginswwsometimes all 3 in the same source
05:41.43Bagginswwwith Stormwind being the usual one used
05:41.57BagginswwLet's talk Dalaran, its called by dozens of names heh heh
05:42.07Bagginswwusualyl just Dalaran
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05:52.55Sky2042do i want endash or emdash?
05:59.56Sky2042lol, nice addition to the history
05:59.58Bagginswwsky btw Kingdom of Stormwind is Stormwind City too lol
06:00.05Bagginswwi'm working on converting more of it
06:01.34Bagginswwwe could legally merge kingdom with the city articles
06:01.58Bagginswwthey overlap and share the same population LOL
06:02.33Sky2042lol, wtf at "Stormwind (zone)"?
06:02.52Sky2042New Stormwind could be merged
06:03.27Sky2042yeah, I'd say merge everything back into Stormwind, with a disambig at top of the page for the zone
06:03.46Sky2042merge into Stormwind City*
06:03.56Bagginswwya sky in LoC stormwind is the entire zone
06:04.02Bagginswwits its own seperate reigion
06:04.16Bagginswwya merge mosto f it into stormwind city
06:04.49BagginswwNew Stormwind, I think should be left seperate but expanded on
06:05.00Bagginswwjust to further explain its history
06:05.32Sky2042isn't it "Stormwind City"? :|
06:05.37Sky2042as we know it
06:05.42Sky2042that's just duplicating information
06:05.52Bagginswwwell it could be a section within stormwind
06:05.57Bagginswwstormwind city
06:06.06Bagginswwbut it still needs to be expanded on
06:06.19Sky2042i'd put it under history, actually
06:06.23Sky2042=== ===
06:12.59Bagginswwseems fair
06:14.16Sky2042did a little reorganizing
06:14.51Bagginswwas long as reorganizing doesn't mean splitting the paragraph up
06:15.34Bagginswwand I'm still in the middle of working on it
06:15.41Bagginswwso I may not have all citaiton sdown yet :p
06:15.57Sky2042what are you planning?....
06:16.06Sky2042(SW City should be the main page... xD
06:16.47Bagginswwwell technically we could just all it "Stormwind"
06:16.55Bagginswwand get rid of the pesky disambig altogether
06:17.00Sky2042one sec
06:17.04Sky2042checking wowhead
06:17.28Sky2042nah, I'd go with Stormwind City, with rds from all it's other numerous names
06:18.01Bagginswwoddly rpg lists it under Stormwind, with the city inside of it LOL
06:18.10Bagginswwbut sharing the same population and same region :p
06:18.13Sky2042and, actually, while not any of it's cited...:
06:18.29BagginswwI'm working within kingdom of Stormwind right now LOL
06:18.32Sky2042would be safe to get rid of the pixure
06:20.34Bagginswwhmm harpies live in the zone
06:20.45Bagginswwapparently most people in stormwind zone are huddled in the city
06:21.01Bagginswwand less civilized stuff lives out in the wilderness
06:21.04Bagginswwof the nation
06:22.44Bagginswwso ya we can keep the city seperated from the region article
06:22.55Bagginswwbut it needs a bit more clarificaiton
06:23.57Sky2042still think it could be merged
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06:25.47Bagginswwrts of beasts that will sometimes venture south to see what they can pick from the road. The passage is no stranger to harpy attacks, and even dire wolves are spotted north of the city. The locals assume the creatures have escaped from the Blackrock orcs in the Burning Steppes. The lush valley of heros lies south of the city, and all visitors must pass through it, as it is the only entrance to Stormwind. With all the rebuilding ef
06:25.48Bagginswwforts in the past thirty years, the city has several notable structures. These include; the Academy of Arcane Sciences, Cathedral of Light, The Pig and Whistle, the Stockade and Vault, and Stormwind Keep.LoC 53
06:26.16Bagginswwthat's a bit on the geography of the Stormwind region
06:26.35Sky2042so make a section called "Surrounding geography" in SW City? :P
06:26.52BagginswwWE just need to name the article "Stormwind"
06:26.58Bagginswwand we can have a section on STormwind city
06:27.34Bagginswwthat's actually how it was originally, before I started incorporating this lore :p
06:27.37Sky2042I'm holding to SW City for the reason that it's the name of the zone ingame
06:27.42Sky2042yeah, i know xd
06:27.58BagginswwI just needed to break it up while I figured out all the source material
06:28.01Sky2042as the sw city page actually says, it's the city state
06:28.20Sky2042wait, baggins
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06:28.31Sky2042the city and the kingdom exist more or less in the exact same location, with the edges of the nation lying within the edges of the cityLoC 52 your own quote no doubt
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06:29.12Bagginswwits based on bit in WoWRPG that also states that the city stretches to the northwest coast
06:29.19Bagginswwso the city is very huge
06:29.38Bagginswwall the citizenry of the region live in the city
06:29.53Bagginswwanythign outside of it is those harpies and what not LOL
06:30.01Bagginswwand mountains of stormwind
06:30.07Bagginswwor whatever its called
06:36.48Sky2042anduin wrynn the fourth?
06:36.57Bagginswwneeds a bit of work with westfall
06:37.02Bagginswwwestfall is outside of its control
06:37.06Bagginswwalmost entirely
06:37.23BagginswwI added that bit on other pages, but missed it there Ig uess
06:37.25Sky2042well, ok, it's supposed to influence westfall :P
06:37.38Bagginswwwestfall is independent right now heh heh
06:37.45Bagginswwnot even Alliance
06:37.55Sky2042yeah, blame the defias for that
06:38.08Bagginswwya they are the government
06:38.20Sky2042one sec
06:38.24Bagginswwalthough they seem more like anarchy than true government heh
06:38.40Sky2042what's the page number for that?
06:38.58Sky2042and book
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06:40.05Bagginswwfor anarchy bit?
06:40.10Bagginswwor independence I mean
06:40.20BagginswwWoWRPG, and LoC
06:40.33BagginswwI think the page numbers might be in the Kingdom of Stormwind article
06:40.51Bagginswwhmm I missed it
06:40.58Bagginswwjust a moment
06:41.28Bagginswwpg 60 for loc
06:41.39Sky2042which is for anarchy?
06:41.47Sky2042or for inde?
06:42.11Bagginsww16 for WoWRPG
06:42.27Bagginswwspecifically independence in loc
06:43.29Bagginswwand "controls" for wowrpg
06:43.36Bagginswwdefias brotherhood controls the region
06:44.01Bagginswwconcept of anarchy comes form the descriptionf ot he defias brotherhood
06:44.13Bagginswwin that they are made up of a bunch of smaller groups
06:44.18Bagginswwanyone can call themselves defias
06:44.27Bagginswwand each one may be working for their own good
06:44.32Bagginswwpersonal gain
06:44.53Sky2042it's controls in loc also
06:44.55Bagginswwwhile Edwin is technocally in charge, he doesn't seem to have full control
06:45.12BagginswwI just meant specific refrence for Independence
06:45.24Bagginswwunder "affiliation"
06:46.31Sky2042how's for phrasing?
06:47.20Bagginswwhmm might need a bit more clean up but its getting there. "much more independent" can just be "independent"
06:48.15Sky2042eh, have at it. i was attempting to have good grammar... :|
06:51.12Sky2042 huh?
06:51.29Bagginswwok once you merge new stormwind bit into stormwind city article
06:51.34Bagginswwwe'll be down to two articles
06:54.54Sky2042actually, how about making that guide the main SW City article (with adjustments, naturally), and then move everything else over to SW?
06:56.09Sky2042yeah, move the history to SW, at least
06:56.12Sky2042less duplication
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06:59.02Bagginswwbig problem is article I converted from brann, is his description oft her egion and the city mixed togetehr :p
06:59.14Bagginswwit might be easier to just merge city article into that one
06:59.21Bagginswwthen we only need one article
06:59.38Sky2042at least fix the history part for me
07:00.48Sky2042yeah, ok. humm
07:00.54Bagginswwwhich one?
07:01.50Bagginswwhmm btw good work on making the city article more of a gameplay guide
07:02.07Sky2042i'm gonna' chop them up, see what i can squeeze out of both of them
07:02.15Bagginswwoh you need me to chop and merge
07:02.21Sky2042fix the double history section. incorporate, w/e
07:02.24Sky2042on SW
07:02.38Bagginswwwel the main thing is keep the one tiny cited paragraph
07:02.47BagginswwStormwind was the first kingdom invaded by the Horde during the First War. Beloved King Llane was killed in the attacks, and it was in his name that Sir Lothar led Alliance forces to take the city back. With Stormwind under its control again and serving as a strong base of operations, the Alliance eventually wrested most of Azeroth from the Horde’s grip. The Alliance set to rebuilding then, calling on whoever could spare artisan
07:02.47Bagginswws. Now it is the last of the great human cities. It boasts a powerful City Guard and a strong army, and it is a base of magical or divine study, and contemplation, in Azeroth.LoC 54
07:03.01Bagginswwthat's from LoC article
07:03.16Bagginswweverything else is previous material from the old article
07:04.04Sky2042gah hum
07:07.21Bagginswwdon't worry sky I'll probably clean it up
07:07.28Sky2042btw, I don't know how much of is repeated, but possibly incorporate some of that into SW?
07:07.59Bagginswwis that one of those guides by what's her name?
07:08.05Bagginswwits not let me click on it
07:08.14Sky2042then probably yes
07:10.26Sky2042<3 the prose
07:11.00Sky2042will have to kill some of it, but that's alright
07:11.02Bagginswwon alletto's guide?
07:11.48Bagginswwbtw I have more to imcorporate from the RPG, so that might influence future edits tot he main stormwind article
07:12.06Sky2042no, merging the guide into the main gameplay article
07:12.15BagginswwI understand
07:12.35Sky2042better than the list, imo
07:13.05[NewsBot]WoWBlues: Should I roll a shaman? -
07:13.11[NewsBot]WoWBlues: Elemental Totem of Wrath, change for 2.3 pls? -
07:13.17[NewsBot]WoWBlues: No wf for pallys -
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07:13.41Bagginswwonly issue I have with alletto guides is some of it is pure invention
07:13.42Sky2042dotted, you suck
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07:20.03Bagginswwthougth you might be interested in an alternate rendition of the valley of heroes :)
07:21.19Sky2042ew xD
07:22.09Bagginswwjust another issue where ingame scale and rpg scale differs
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07:26.10Sky2042lol, wtf
07:26.17Sky2042A similar prison, [[The Vault]], is surrounded by water on all sides and seems to be holding out fine - for now. It is unknown if the [[demons]], [[mages]], and [[undead]] within will one day rise up as well.
07:26.25Sky2042where did this person get that?
07:26.31Bagginswwlands of conflict
07:26.53Bagginswwdon't worry I'll get to incorporating locatin finromation into individual articles
07:26.57Bagginswwrather than main stormwind article
07:27.09Bagginswwbut ya you should find the info in [[Vault]] already
07:27.16[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
07:27.39Sky2042oh goddamnit
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07:48.18hurricane567hi i have a question re:pvp...why is the horde willing to fight for halaa but the alliance is not?
07:48.27hurricane567or is it just my server?
07:48.51hurricane567or is it me? lol
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13:32.41TOR_CNRanybody familiar with:
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13:39.44pcjNo, but why would we need it
13:40.51TOR_CNRdunno, just checking, since a user from requested this to be installed
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13:43.45KasoAllakazam data :( nowadays i think there are more relyable sources
13:45.01KalrothKirkburn: Morning sunshine!
13:45.31KirkburnMorning :)
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13:45.56KasoYou are my sun-shine, my only sun-shine. You make me ha-ppy, when times are grey. You'll never know dear! How much i love you, please don't take my sun-shine away.
13:46.11slashimporthi kickburn do you have time for a short talk? ^^
13:47.05KirkburnWhat's up?
13:47.38pcjwell at least you didn't call yourself dirkburn
13:47.51slashimporti would like to adopt the german wow wiki.
13:48.15slashimportcan i use the same design?
13:48.20KirkburnOf course :)
13:48.33slashimportcool :)
13:49.16pcjwhy weren't enchants made to use the regular tooltip
13:49.27slashimportdo you know how can i change the license? #
13:49.53foxlitpcj: who knows?
13:50.02pcji don't, that's why i'm asking :P
13:50.36slashimportand can i use the same logo?
13:50.47slashimportbecause i dont find the wc font :(
13:51.03Kirkburnslashimport, the German wikia wow wiki?
13:51.25KirkburnThen changing the license is pretty unlikely
13:51.42Kasowhy would you want to chance the licence? out of interest
13:52.11slashimportgnu is not very good
13:52.20slashimportcc-by would be better i think
13:52.27slashimportor cc-by-nc
13:53.14KirkburnReally won't happen
13:53.51KirkburnAnyway, yeah you can use the logo
13:54.10slashimportyou are a very nice guy :)
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14:16.50pcjhe don't know you very well do he
14:18.15Kirkburnpcj, :O
14:20.26Kirkburn~seen Teomyr
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14:21.38KirkburnWhenever teomyr is around again, need to enquire about his wowhead tooltip extension
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14:23.30pcjIs there a {{Stub/Wtf}}?
14:24.59KirkburnIt's a mission name
14:25.30KirkburnNot sure which though, probably WC2
14:25.40KirkburnBagginsww, ping
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14:39.02t-motionhy all!
14:40.35pcjlooks like Orcs & Humans kirkburn
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15:04.56t-motionone is not ebough
15:06.46pcjtwo computers allows me to edit wowwiki pages faster
15:11.00t-motionwell there are few qestion
15:11.49t-motionhow can i change in the startpage logo and the favicon?, in  the CSS? or in main page?
15:11.59pcjon wowwiki?
15:12.12t-motionwowwiki hun
15:13.14pcjwell if you have access to localsettings.php you can change the logo here
15:13.26pcjand favicon here
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15:36.15pcjso i found out that patch 1.6 probably just made the censor catch it kirkburn
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15:37.20KirkburnI saw :P
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15:41.02pcjTooltip on seems off somehow
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15:48.04KasoThe dps isnt rounded properly
15:48.25Kasoits shown to 2 decmal places when it should be rounded too 1
15:48.53Kasowhich is odd, cos im sure Foxbot should do rounding.
15:53.01pcjWell I meant how the speed is conflicting with the "Axe" type
15:53.03pcjbut yeah
15:53.45Kasobecause the damage is too many digits it's too long thus causing speed to be displaced
15:54.00KasoOh perhaps not
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15:55.09KasoI think its a combination of it having too many digits on the dps line, plus the icon is pretty low as the tooltip doesnt have a BOE/BOP line
15:56.01Kasoseems that the tooltip size was worked out around them all having the extra hight from having a BOP/E line
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16:01.33foxlitSurely you mean speed :)
16:02.24KasoHmm actually i meant dps, but its not connected
16:02.38Kasobut foxlit why isnt the dps properly rounded to 1 decimal place, im sure my code did that
16:02.56foxlitI think I explicitly round to 2 :)
16:03.02foxlitNot sure :)
16:03.17Kasowell 2 decimal places is wrong, wow uses 1
16:04.17foxlitchanged that now
16:04.34foxlit2 should've been the speed
16:05.15Kasod = math.floor(d * 10 + 0.5) / 10
16:05.21Kasomy yucky way of doing it ^
16:05.53foxlitI just use string.format :)
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16:06.47Kasoyah its a much better solution, i must admit, since starting to learn C coding, i've been using string.format in lua and java more often in my code now
16:06.53Kasoi never used to use it much at all
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16:07.41foxlitLooking back, this xml -> tooltip transformer is insane
16:07.57Kasoyes its terrible
16:08.18Kasoi knew it was terrible when i got about half way through.
16:08.32foxlitI more or less rewrote that part form scratch.
16:08.34foxlitIt's still insane.
16:08.34Kasoi remeber thinking, god, this is terrible, i should have written a proper tokenizer etc etc.
16:09.05foxlitThough it does at least parse XML
16:09.09KasoI was very embarrased about that bit (more than the other bits!)
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16:10.06KasoI'm quite interested how blizzard have a seperate Slot ID for Robe and Chest, but just display robe as "Chest" anyway
16:10.22foxlitCrazy, I say: :)
16:10.36foxlitYeah, seems odd
16:11.09Kasoooh i like how you have the ones with a dictionary attached
16:11.15Kasothats nice
16:13.42foxlitUntil you get to line 42
16:13.43foxlit["*"]      ={{"|mats=%s","%s (%s)",", ","reagent/name","reagent/count"}},
16:14.06foxlitsudden onset of lunacy
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16:16.20foxlitApparenly, that's syntax for format "%s (%s)" pieces of reagent/name, reagent/count arrays delimied by ", " into "|mats=%s"
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16:22.50pcjKirkburn, if you would add a line to the CSS, I could get enchants working with {{loot}}
16:23.41pcjJust needs .qc-enchant
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16:27.32pcjwhy are they moving {{gems}} to the top
16:29.11Kirkburnpcj, dunno, shouldn't be
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16:31.06Fisker-some kid in school had used a fire exstinguisher on the floor in the school
16:31.15Fisker-i claimed anthrax for a cheap day off
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16:34.41Codexiusis it possible to connect to 2 irc servers at once
16:34.54KirkburnYes, assuming you have a good client :P
16:35.14Codexiusmirc any good?
16:35.52pcjtype /server -m
16:35.56Kirochijust type /server -m otherserve
16:36.10KirochiI hate you pcj
16:36.14Kirochihope you hate me too
16:38.03Codexiusanyone know the drop of the sinister squashling?
16:38.25Kirochithottbot does
16:38.28Kirochiwowhead too
16:38.55Codexiusi dont htink it is, the hallows end stuff wasnt up last week
16:38.59Codexiusmaybe this week :/
16:39.01Codexiusbrb haha
16:40.18pcjare class names capitalized or not
16:42.42foxlitBot.Bot = Bot; -- There_is_ a point :)
16:47.08Kirkburnpcj, tell me somewhere what line needs adding, I'll try to get to it later
16:50.24pcj.qc-enchant, .qc-enchant a { color:#ffd100; }
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16:51.59AnitoraHow are you this fine afternoon?
16:52.05pcjGood, but it's still morning
16:52.11AnitoraWhere you at?
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16:52.29Anitoraits 12am well 10 till
16:52.39AnitoraWhat part?
16:52.49AnitoraIm down in lawton
16:53.00pcjFort Sill?
16:53.07AnitoraAhhh i hate you =) you get all the good concerts up there
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16:54.55AnitoraI hate maintenace day, I end up on wikipedia learning physics somehow...
16:55.24AnitoraI did discover a nifty trick to subracting numbers fast in my head
16:55.40pcjKirkburn, don't forget to add to {{Loot}}: |enchant=enchant" title="{{{3|{{{2|Unknown}}}}}} is an enchant.
16:56.09AnitoraSo I guess it hasn't been a total waste of time
16:58.09Kirkburnpcj, are those quote marks in the right places?
17:00.10pcjJust like the other ones
17:00.31pcj(Hint: they are)
17:00.54pcjMake sure you add it to the top of the {{#switch}} tho
17:01.00pcjabove artifact
17:01.18KirkburnUgh, can I just unlock it for you
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17:05.20Anitora!job make me coffee
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17:06.22huraxwhy was stormwind moved to stormwind city? first as disambiguation now that new page
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17:07.34Kirochilove it
17:08.20Bagginswwso does anyone have time to waste and go over all the azeroth zones that now have population numbers, and add up the totals for alliance cities and horde cities for comparision purposes?
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17:08.40KirochiBagginsww if you come with me then yes
17:08.48Kirochion which servers do you play ?
17:09.02Kirochinay, I'm asking for the zone
17:09.05Kirochieu? us?
17:09.26Kirochiaw dang
17:09.32KirochiI'm not in
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17:11.41Bagginswwat first i wasn't sure whta you meant by "come with me". Considering I'm in Hawaii and can't really go anywhere, LOL.
17:12.47Kirochiaren't we talking about a game?
17:12.50Kirochion a game chan?
17:13.03Kirochiand you DARE tell me about your geographical location?
17:18.42Bagginswwwell actually I was talking about lore, not the mmo kirochi.
17:19.13Bagginswwif you went by populaiton numbers in WoW you'd have less than a small town probably LOL
17:19.35Bagginswwjust going by npcs that is I mean, and not player characters
17:19.36Kirochiso you meant browsing all the WoWRPG manuals to sum up everything?
17:19.53Bagginswwwell I've put up the population numbers on all zone articles btw
17:20.12Bagginsww[[elwynn forest]] for example
17:20.14[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
17:20.19huraxso in lore you swim from hawaii to azeroth ;) well NPCs in a game of course can never form a viable population
17:20.21BagginswwElwynn Forest
17:20.32huraxi always imagined them just a sample
17:20.49Bagginswwhurax only if I some how fall through a dark portal or perhaps a maelstrom :p
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17:21.32Bagginswwya we are only seeing a sample of the population
17:21.38Bagginswwas well as only a section of the towns ;)
17:21.40KirkburnObviously if you tried swimming you'd just fatigue
17:21.48huraxbut did not imagine the large number of stormwind citizens compared to the rural population
17:22.11Bagginswwya its because its considered its own region and nation
17:22.41Bagginswwwhereas surrounding areas are territories
17:23.20Bagginswwdid you notice the size of the [[Church of the Holy Llight]]
17:23.27Bagginsww[[Church of the Holy Light]]
17:23.28[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
17:23.44Bagginswwconsidering that they are mostly Alliance members...
17:24.05huraxi imagined it to be a medieval city, lured by the medieval german architecture... but 200.000 inhabitants and much less in its rural territories
17:25.19huraxancient rome had a similar situation perhaps
17:25.21Bagginswwit seems there are very few living in Stormwind regiion outside the city. Outside is described as being a passage attacked by harpies and dire wolves, and being large mountains.
17:25.37Bagginswwthat being the area north of the city
17:25.39huraxwith the city numbering 1M
17:26.16huraxwas thinking of elwynn, westfall, lakeshire
17:26.21KirochiHarpies ?
17:26.29Kirochiharpies in Azeroth??
17:26.43huraxperhaps stormwind citizens are fed by mages conjuring food and not farmers :)
17:26.45Bagginswwjust as centaurs exist apparently
17:26.50Kirochias dumb as eastern kingdoms centaurs
17:26.56Bagginswwya hurax most likely
17:26.58Bagginswwthey lost westfall
17:27.02Bagginswwwestfall isn't even th eir territory now
17:27.04Bagginswwits Defias
17:27.23Kirochinay, it's only because we want to see hostile mobs in game
17:27.27Kirochifriendly people suck
17:27.44KirochiWestfall isn't at all overwhelmed by the Defias
17:27.58BagginswwI'm oging by lore not in-game
17:28.09Bagginswwits specifically said to be independent in the lore
17:28.21Bagginswwand defias make up most of the population
17:28.24Kirochiwhich manual ?
17:28.36BagginswwLands of Conflict and World fo Warcraft the RPG
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17:29.05Bagginswwalso mentione din Alliance Player's Guide and Horde Player's Guide
17:29.46Bagginswwnote those half-elves are probably defias renegades as hinted at in the book.
17:29.50Bagginswwas are the goblins
17:29.58Bagginswwthe goblins were captured and enslaved by the defias
17:30.17Bagginswwand most of those humans are defias too
17:30.28Bagginswwcompare moonbrook to sentinel hill
17:31.02Kirochi300 and 4000
17:31.10Kirochi(i just opened LoC)
17:32.30Bagginswwand duskwood and redridge mountains are all but removed from Stormwind's control, but they still consider themselves Alliance members
17:32.34KirochiThe bare farmlands add little to break
17:32.34Kirochithe wind, which can cut through clothing on a
17:32.34Kirochiblustery day.
17:32.52KirochiWestfall should have such debuffs
17:33.04Bagginswwya kirochi real world debuffs would be awesome
17:33.09Kirochi"cloth wearers lose 10% of their durability"
17:33.13Bagginswwlike go to tanaris and have to find oasis or die
17:33.27Bagginswwof dehydration
17:33.34Bagginswwbe forced to drink water every now and then
17:33.35Kirochiyeah, and plaguelands plague, northrend cold
17:33.49Bagginswwplaguelands have the pollution fog issues ya
17:33.56huraxor wearing plate armor in the blasted lands :)
17:34.01Bagginswwhah hah
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17:34.15Kirochisisn't get the plate armor joke
17:34.23Bagginswwmolten core owuld be insane since tehre is rules for fiery areas too
17:34.35huraxmetal attracts lightnings
17:34.36Bagginswwmetal and lightning
17:34.41BagginswwI got it
17:34.45Kirochioh yeah, debuffs like "You're on fire! RUN!"
17:34.50Bagginswwheh heh
17:34.51Kirochiawww I got it
17:35.14KirochiNoblegarden spells
17:35.30Kirochi"You're made of chocolate! Anyone around you gains Cannibalism!"
17:36.23BagginswwIf you die by a fire elemental you should be turned to ash
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17:37.05Kirochiyeah, whole corpses suck
17:37.28KirochiBill #12515
17:37.29KirochiFrom: Erefor Pelija
17:37.29KirochiTo: King Anduin Wrynn
17:37.29KirochiDesign of eastern merchants
17:37.29Kirochiblock over 1 year: 500,000 gp
17:37.29KirochiBuilding supplies, including
17:37.31Kirochibut not limited to lumber, stone,
17:37.33Kirochispikes, nails and tools: 300,000 gp
17:37.35KirochiLabor over 6 months: 100,000 gp
17:37.37KirochiLate fee: 100,000 gp
17:37.39KirochiTotal: 1,000,000 gp
17:37.42Bagginswwya, sucks LOL
17:37.51KirochiBrann says "If
17:37.51Kirochianyone has sympathies with the Brotherhood,
17:37.51Kirochiits likely they wont after reading it."
17:38.00BagginswwHmm eastern merchan'ts block, is that a section of the city we can't get to?
17:38.17KirochiI'll check
17:38.33Bagginswwcause that doesn't fit old town or dwarven district
17:38.39Kirochinuffin on wowwiki
17:38.40Bagginswwor the keep
17:38.48BagginswwI see a new article :)
17:38.57Kirochihehe, let's do that
17:39.11Bagginswwok I'll add a link in Stormwind City
17:40.38Bagginswwlol ya "extortion" ;)
17:40.58huraxdefias/mafia, is that an intended reference in the name or rather coincidence?
17:41.01Kirochiwhy doesn't "Trade District" fit in?
17:41.30Bagginswwtrade district is the areas aroudn the canals right?
17:41.45Kirochiuh, it's the first one you see when you enter
17:41.47Bagginswwor rather the osuth
17:41.53Kirochithe only one that's not in a corner
17:42.00Bagginswwit doesn't really fit "eastern"
17:42.03Kirochiand it's exactly east of the city
17:42.17Bagginswwits southern edge of the city LOL
17:42.29Kirochiget a f'n map
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17:42.45BagginswwI was
17:43.01Kirochiwell, LoC maps are unoriented
17:43.11BagginswwLoC book is oriented to that map
17:43.16Bagginswwnot the one ingame LOL
17:43.21KirkburnBagginsww, the intro para of [[Farstriders]] is awful
17:43.29KirochiWoW maps have north
17:43.29KirkburnIt says about 5 different things :P
17:44.06BagginswwI didn't write that, :p
17:44.29Bagginswwbut ya it needs to be modified
17:45.01Kirochibaggins, the LoC map is wrong
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17:45.13Kirochiit just puts up north and down south
17:45.27Kirochithe Trade District is east, it really is
17:46.07Kirochiwould you think that eastern merchants' block is behind old town?
17:46.29KirochiMoonbrook (ghost town, 4,000)
17:46.47Kirochi(Ok, a ghost town with 4,000 people, wtf)
17:46.58huraxthe two maps are practically the same... if rotated 30 degrees
17:47.11hurax4000 ghosts ;)
17:47.25Bagginswwkirochi and if you walk into stormwind
17:47.31Bagginswwtrade district is in the south in game too
17:47.39BagginswwI don't know why they reoriented the map LOL
17:47.44Kirochithere's only one ghost in moonbrook =)
17:48.03huraxtwo, if my twink dies in the deadmines
17:48.06Kirochiaw, you sure baggins?
17:48.21BagginswwI'm pretty sure the gate is oriented southwards
17:48.25Kirochihurax, betcha don't know who's this one ghost
17:48.29Kirochigo check Bagginsww
17:48.30Bagginswwbeen a while since I"ve been to stormwind
17:48.37BagginswwI'm in outland most of the time
17:48.40Bagginswwbut sure I can check :p
17:48.46KirochiI don't care, get a portal
17:49.12BagginswwI'm a mage its easy
17:49.16Kirochihurax must be searching on WoWwiki by now
17:49.23Kirochino, I meant a free Shattrath portal
17:50.33huraxhehe, no i was on the toilet
17:50.51huraxi guess in that chapel
17:51.00huraxbut don't remember
17:51.29huraxok, i'll search now :)
17:52.34Bagginswwand as I recall lands of conflict discusses the trade district too doesn't it?
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17:53.34huraxdidn't find it on the wiki but now i remember... the lighthouse guy right?
17:54.12Kirochidon't think so, though I might be wrong
17:54.20Bagginswwtrade district is also kinda centered if you take into account Valley of Heroes
17:54.28KirochiI was talking about the banshee that appears in the Stalvan questline
17:54.35Bagginswwwhich is southeastere most edge of the city
17:55.02huraxbut that banshee was in duskwood?
17:55.12Kirochinay there are a lot of em
17:55.32Bagginswwya kirochi most of the people live underground
17:55.33Kirochione in elwynn, one in duskwood, one in moonbrook, one in stormwind...
17:55.39Bagginswwin moonbrook
17:55.50Kirochionly defias live undeground
17:55.56Kirochithat means farmer are not counted
17:55.58Bagginswwmost people in mooonbrook are defias
17:56.22Bagginswwactually famers are coutned
17:56.25Kirochi4,000 defias? whew, I kne it took many people to rebuild Stormwind, but FOR GOD'S SAKE
17:56.44Kirochifarmers aren't living in Moonbrook nor Defias
17:56.55BagginswwI'd think that farmers are probably alligned with sentinel hill
17:57.12Kirochiso, most of them are Alliance
17:57.30Bagginswwand 4000 of moonbrook probably counts the goblins
17:57.39Kirochithat leads to the point: most of Westfall's population is still Alliance
17:57.47Bagginswwmost are defias
17:57.47huraxor they just try to live their lives and not get in way of either politics or organized crime
17:57.47Bagginswwmoonbrook is defias
17:58.01Bagginswwmoonbrook has most of the population
17:58.17KirochiWestfall was deserted, then
17:58.35Bagginswwya I think it says that alot of people were forced to elwynn or duskwood
17:58.45Kirochiforced to duskwood, poor people
17:58.53Bagginswwya :(
17:58.58Bagginswwprobably af ew made it to redridge or stormwind too
17:59.09Kirochialthough being sent to Hogger's Kingdom is quite awful
17:59.14huraxstalvan was a nice questline
18:00.18Kirochicould we add a "race template image" to every race box?
18:03.17Kirochilike a "Sample icon" line
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18:18.38VolusCan you teach me how I can make a bot?
18:19.18VolusNo? :(
18:20.13VolusI was thinking about something a la Infobot. It would be called Volubot of course.
18:20.40VolusWhat do you think?
18:23.19VolusKirkburn, what do you think?
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18:39.10huraxfor something like infobot a simple eggdrop would be enough
18:39.49huraxjust need a unixoid shell somewhere
18:58.15foxlitOh wow our Kael article sucks
18:58.39VolusOur is better.
18:59.03Dotted oh the slight irony
19:03.32foxlitVolus: color me unimpressed
19:03.40VolusWhat do you think about our new front mage:
19:04.51foxlitUgly :/
19:05.10VolusWell, I didn't make it ^^
19:05.46VolusHowever, we're not done yet. This is only stage 1.
19:09.05pcjOh god, you make it sound like the final solution or something
19:10.34huraxi realize that i have, involuntrely, repeated my words in the swamp of sorrows discussion
19:10.40VolusThe final solution... I like it!
19:11.05VolusThe Final Solution for Pjc.
19:11.59VolusThat reminds me of a movie I mad ages ago
19:12.57VolusNo, I won't share it with you. It was never completed.
19:13.34VolusAnd I doubt you would see the humour in it.
19:15.41winkillerBibi: are you there?
19:15.57VolusIs there anything you would like to share with the rest of the room, Bibi?
19:16.00winkillerI am not 100% sure, but your rss feed may be a bit off atm
19:16.09Bibictrl F5 it
19:16.10Bibiand be happy
19:16.12winkillerI seem to be missing new posts frequently
19:16.24winkiller"atm" as in last days
19:16.36Bibiit's been like that in the last months actually
19:16.39winkillerbut maybe my feedreader, no clue :(
19:16.41Bibiit's bugged, I can't code
19:16.46Bibiend of discussion ! :D
19:17.20winkillerthe default tinyportal one?
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19:20.09Bibiit's a SMF feed actually
19:24.16KirkburnAnyone, what do human rights have to do with democracy?
19:24.35KirkburnI'm pretty sure one doesn't mean the other
19:25.29KirkburnYes, this is related to WoW :P
19:25.38KirkburnStonard is apparently an elective democracy
19:25.58KirkburnOdolwa is incredulous, however
19:26.46KirkburnAlways sounds like an insult, saying someone is incredulous
19:29.29KeolahThe United States is supposedly a democracy too, but still quietly violates human rights when they think nobody is looking. :P
19:30.55VolusThe Americans have decided through their democracy to violate human rights.
19:31.46Bagginswwwwell its not just US
19:32.00KeolahDidn't you know, anyone that looks suspicious at an airport is an "enemy compatant"? :p
19:32.01Bagginswwwquite a few United Nations states involved too
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19:33.05VolusBecause the American people forced their hand
19:33.30BagginswwwHawaii might have been illegally taken over by international law standards, but if US hadn't of done it sadly another member of the family of Nations would have...
19:33.39KeolahBecause the Iraqis ATTACKED OUR FREEDOM! (I don't remember when they did that, but Bush said they did, so it MUST be true!)
19:34.01VolusNo, they didn't
19:34.05BagginswwwWell terrorists are usually mult-ethnic
19:34.31VolusAnd Bush lied to his people.
19:34.45Bagginswwwthere are quire a few terrorists from different nations that can be blaimed. We could attack france :0
19:34.50KeolahAnd those... weapons of mass destruction that didn't exist! :)
19:34.55CorganHow did I manage to get +v in here
19:35.07Bagginswwwlol it depends on ones definition of weapons of mass destruction... which makes that term so lame
19:35.23Bagginswwwits very unspecific
19:35.27KeolahI consider the most heinous weapon of mass destruction to be Britney Spears' voice.
19:36.07KeolahMichael Jackson's face comes pretty close too.
19:36.22Bagginswwwscuds being one of the weakest weapons known compared to what modern military can produce have been called weapons of mass destruction :p
19:36.29Guest5465Well this conversation is way too deep for me so bye
19:36.39Bagginswwwif it can go boom it can be a WMD :p
19:37.10KeolahAnd you can't take a compass and protractor on an airplane.. because they're weapons of math instruction.
19:37.18Bagginswwwthough it doesn't even have to go "boom", strangly biological or chemical warfare fall under the definition too :p
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19:38.28BagginswwwI've even heard handguns, and rpgrendadess put under the definition :p
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19:38.48Bagginswwwwell guns if they use explosive projectiles
19:38.56Kirochicould someone help me with this goddamned icons?
19:39.00Bagginswwwor armor piercing
19:39.05VoluspaaPerhaps Bush is listening?!
19:39.23Bagginswwwhe can take his patriot act adn shove it up his...
19:39.44VoluspaaWell, this is an American server, right?
19:39.48Bagginswwwand the UN with him
19:39.56BagginswwwI'm from the US :)
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19:40.11VoluspaaWell, it's just a matter of time anyway
19:40.16Bagginswwwheh heh
19:40.30KirochiI've asked you something
19:40.55Bagginswwwwell sadly we can't pull out of iraq now or it would destablize into clan fighting... and then we'd have even more terrorists coming out of it :p
19:41.02KeolahIf Bush detained anyone that bashed him on the internet, there'd be more detainees in Cuba than Cubans. ;p
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19:41.23VoluspaaWell, I'm glad we have the EU.
19:41.47BagginswwwLOL, and yet EU is part of the UN, which has just as much blame as the US :) well some of the nations
19:41.48VoluspaaPerhaps the Americans will dissolve the U.S.A. and join us?
19:41.56KeolahI wish. :p
19:42.09VoluspaaWho invaded Iraq?
19:42.10KeolahWe have clearly proven we can't elect a competent president. :p
19:42.17VoluspaaUN forces?
19:42.24BagginswwwIraq was a joint effort of US, British and smaller UN groups
19:42.28Bagginswwwyes US had the biggest number
19:42.35Bagginswwwbut it wasn't just the US
19:42.37Keolah(For the record, I voted against him ;p)
19:42.43BagginswwwI voted against the git too
19:42.55KirochiI need someone to help me for god's sake!
19:42.58KeolahNot that it matters anyway. Oregon's always leaned democratic anyway. ;p
19:43.02Bagginswwwmind you we would have went to war most likely no matter who became pres
19:43.02VoluspaaNot UN groups
19:43.10VoluspaaThe UN has nothing to do with Iraq.
19:44.31VoluspaaI'm not sure, Baggins. Bush ordered his men to find reasons to attack Iraq.
19:45.02VoluspaaI don't think Al Gore would have done the same.
19:45.25Bagginswww there are definitly un troops in iraq
19:45.36KeolahAnd perhaps Gore would have managed to keep us out of debt, too, instead of putting us right back into the debt Clinton dragged us out of :P
19:45.40Kirochiyou gits
19:45.44Kirochihelp me
19:45.58KeolahMind, Gore was a git too, but at least he wasn't gonna destroy the world or anything. :p
19:45.59BagginswwwFour countries participated with troops during the initial invasion (termed the Major Combat Operations phase), which lasted from March 19 to May 1. These were the United States (250,000), United Kingdom (45,000), Australia (2,000), and Poland (194).
19:46.00VoluspaaI meant the invasion of Iraq, Baggins.
19:47.15Kirochihelp meeeeeeeeeeeeeee
19:47.17VoluspaaThe Dollar's dominance of world trade is slipping too.
19:47.24Bagginswwwyep the dollar sucks
19:47.25Kirochiself-righteous suiciiiiiiide
19:47.30KeolahYeah, you know it's bad when the Canadian dollar catches up ;P
19:47.44Voluspaaand Polish Zloty.
19:47.46Bagginswwwbut the point was the US was not theo nly one involved, and UN ultimately agreed on it.
19:47.53VoluspaaNo, the UN did not
19:47.56KeolahThe UN are full of gits too, but they're the best we've got :P
19:48.08BagginswwwThe world is wastebasket
19:48.25VoluspaaTHe UN decided to help mediate in the situation.
19:48.56KeolahWe should, instead, go for _true_ democracy. Have votes for _everything_! :P
19:49.12VoluspaaLike Switzerland
19:49.36KeolahThen Bush would have actually had to have come up with a convincing reason to invade Iraq :p
19:49.56VoluspaaLike "gief oil" :O
19:50.23KeolahHey, maybe we should be working on alternative fuel sources instead of invading other countries!
19:50.34VoluspaaI agree.
19:50.58KeolahLike, say, how about pushing solar power? The sun's not going to go away for a good while yet. And if it does, we're not likely to be around to care anymore anyway.
19:51.14BagginswwwUN should have stepped in declared US enemies and anyone who joined them enemies of international law.
19:51.25BagginswwwWW3 yay
19:51.54VoluspaaThe problem with solar power is that it's waaaaaay more expensive than fossile power.
19:52.02VoluspaaANd people don't want to pay for that.
19:52.11Bagginswwwits not efficient yet either
19:52.12KeolahAt the moment, anyway. What happens when the oil runs out? :p
19:52.25Bagginswwwwe just invade another country with supplies
19:52.29Bagginswwwno big deal
19:52.33KeolahHowever, I'm sure the efficiency and cost could be brought down to more reasonable levels with some further advancmeents.
19:52.38VoluspaaBaggins, the UN couldn't have done that.
19:52.50VoluspaaI agree, Keolah.
19:53.00BagginswwwUN can remove members though.
19:53.10VoluspaaRemoving the US would be stupid.
19:53.32KeolahWe've been working for over 100 years on making efficient (and really inefficient) vehicles based around fossile fuels, after all. :p
19:53.53Bagginswwwthey dont' want truly effiicent vehicles
19:54.01KeolahThe UN would collapse if they tried to kick out the US and they know it.
19:54.03Bagginswwwcause then people would stop buying as much gas
19:54.29VoluspaaThey wouldn't collapse. But the world economy probably would.
19:54.40KeolahYeah, but what do gas prices have to get to before people draw the line and say "Enough already"? :p
19:55.31BagginswwwYou know the cheapest source of energy right now is ethenol and true diesel
19:55.44VoluspaaEthanol isn't cheap.
19:56.16VoluspaaBesides, using it would be unethic.
19:56.18Bagginswwwlol, and that's why there are people converting it in their backyards
19:56.23Bagginswwwsetting up bootlegging
19:56.25Bagginswwwfor vehicles
19:56.30Bagginswwwsome kid it recently
19:56.41Bagginswwwhe's getting some scientific reward
19:56.48Bagginswwwits cheaper than gas
19:57.11VoluspaaWhat does he use to make the ethanol?
19:57.19KeolahI bet if the US took all the money they've flushed down the toilet invading Iraq, and tossed it at scientists telling them "Hey, come up with some efficient, long-term energy source!", they'd get better results. :p
19:57.26Bagginswwwnot sure, I think vegies
19:57.46Bagginswwwonly problem is kid is a minor LOL
19:57.57VoluspaaTHere is another problem too
19:58.13KeolahI mean.
19:58.14VoluspaaPeople are starving: Would you use food to make fuel?!
19:58.23KeolahWhy do we not have flying cars and space colonies yet!? Science fiction LIED!
19:58.26Bagginswwwactually that's a poor excuse
19:58.26KirochiVoluspaa> we have too much food
19:58.32Bagginswwwwe need to make 3everyone vegetarians
19:58.46VoluspaaThere is enough food in the western world
19:58.47Bagginswwwthere is plenty of vegetable style food and places to grow it
19:58.57Bagginswwwbut animals eat most of the food
19:58.57Kirochimaking fuel of it would avoid wasting it as we're doing every day
19:59.06Bagginswwwand its enefficent source of energy
19:59.12VoluspaaHowever, in Africa, children are dying because of malnutrition.
19:59.16KeolahAmericans are too fat.
19:59.17Bagginswwwmeat has half the enrgy of the original vegetable source
19:59.19Kirochihundreds of tons of overproduction are burnt down or thrown in the nature
19:59.26VoluspaaWe ought to solve this problem before we begin wasting foodl.
19:59.26KasoIsnt the problem with bioethenol that if you wanted to totally replace petroloium with it it'd involve covering like 90% of the earth's surface with corn to make it
19:59.36KirochiI hate corn
19:59.48KirochiThe internet is for corn
20:00.01Bagginswwwvoluspa if hav emore than enough food for biofules and feed the world ten times over, but people don't care
20:00.24Bagginswwwremember rwanda? people didn't want to get involved
20:00.26KirochiWhy you think the net was born? Corn corn corn.
20:00.42KeolahAnd what if the US had spent all that money to "invade" some third world country with food and humanitarian aid? Then everyone would love us instead of being pissed at us. :P
20:00.48VoluspaaPerhaps now. But the population is increasing.
20:01.02Bagginswwwdisease will stop that
20:01.11Bagginswwwthe more people you have cramped together
20:01.12Kirochiyou big meanie
20:01.12KeolahSpace colonies will stop that!
20:01.19Bagginswwwthe more likely for an epidemic
20:01.23KeolahWe just ship all the extras off to Mars.
20:01.26Kirochilet's hope Chuck Norris will stop that
20:01.28Bagginswwwheh heh
20:01.30KeolahAnd if we haven't figured out terraforming by then, they'll suffocate.
20:01.40KeolahProblem solved!
20:02.03KirochiChuck Norris' farts terraform everything. Unfortunately he has decided to fart only once.
20:02.05BagginswwwNature tends have to have its way of finding a final solution :p
20:02.25KeolahBut it's not much problem, anyway. The world's not going to survive another hundred years anyway.
20:02.35Kirochino sh*t
20:02.38Bagginswwwthere has been like 10 near extinctions in biological history :p
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20:03.10KeolahAfter the smallpox outbreak, the survivors will panic and nuke the rest to oblivion ;p
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20:03.16Bagginswwwhah hah
20:03.37ecshow on earth did i not know about this?!
20:03.47Bagginswwwwhen ants become too overpopulated they start attacking rival colonies
20:03.53Bagginswwwyes war exists in nature :p
20:03.54KeolahJust like in SimAnt!
20:03.59Bagginswwwheh heh
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20:04.08Raws|wMan, I thought you were talking about SimAnt to begin with
20:04.11Bagginswwwyes we may die the roaches live on
20:04.13Kirochiyeah, and SimAntec kills viruses in the colonies
20:05.28KeolahBut then, what if it turns out that the Earth is really just one highly advanced MMORPG, and we all wake up suddenly at our computers? ;p
20:05.44ecsi would want my money back
20:06.19KeolahAnd the global apocalypse is just the company's way of ending the game simulation when they've come up with something better to replace it with.
20:06.33ecsREFUND REFUND!
20:06.41thunderchld|deadI agree with ecs - refund
20:06.42KeolahLike better AI. Much of the world's population is not very convincingly human. And those random people that post spam online? ;p
20:06.55Kirochiso, the dead are just grown-up people that left the computer?
20:07.00ecsimagine a world wide /2
20:07.01ecsoh god
20:07.03Bagginswwwkeolah there was a movie like that
20:07.09KeolahThe Matrix? :p
20:07.09Bagginswwwit was called Matrix Trilogy
20:07.15ecsthat was 3 movies
20:07.17KeolahBut that wasn't a game ;p
20:07.24Bagginswwwwellt technically it was two movies
20:07.27Kirochienter the matrix?
20:07.29Bagginswwwthey just split the seocnd in half
20:07.32KeolahAnd it wouldn't involve robots.
20:07.48KeolahSo, yes, I'm gonna start a new religion.
20:07.57KeolahFollowers will be called "players". Unbelievers will be known as "NPCs". ;p
20:08.13ecsis dick cheney an NPC?
20:08.37Bagginswwwwell I'm off
20:08.39Bagginswwwtake care everyone
20:08.42KeolahHe wanders around aimlessly spouting the same thing whenever you speak to him...
20:09.34Kirochias no one seems to notice I'm in there
20:09.43KirochiI. need. help. please.
20:09.56pcjkirochi stop making new sandboxes
20:10.19Kirochipcj I didn't feel like erasing daily work
20:10.26Kirochithey all were busy
20:11.19KeolahI wouldn't be much help anyway :p
20:13.08ecskirochi- make your own wiki and use it as a sandbox
20:13.38Kirochi>< are you dumb or something?
20:14.11KirochiI'm just trying to add a new feature to raceboxes
20:14.29KirochiIsn't it normal to use WoWwiki sandboxes for this?
20:15.42ecstasiawow trivia?
20:15.46Kirochiwell, you implied that I shouldn't use WoWwiki
20:15.52Kirochithat wasn't nice either
20:16.00KeolahEverything trivia.
20:16.04ecstasiano, i was saying if they were complaining about too many sandboxes you could make your own
20:16.09ecstasiaincluding wowtrivia?
20:16.13KeolahYes. :p
20:16.36KirochiI don't see why they should complain about too many sandboxes.
20:16.45ecstasiawell they did
20:16.51ecstasiaand it's fun to have your own
20:16.56ecstasiai've had my own wiki for months
20:17.01KirochiI don't have much time for this
20:17.03KeolahI haven't updated my wiki in months. :p
20:17.19Kirochiand I want to get this stupid thing done, dammit
20:19.20KeolahHowever, I am uncertain that my dynamic trivia categorization filtering is going to work as intended.
20:20.14KeolahIt's probably a bit much.
20:20.47Kirochiok, seems to work
20:20.59Kirochibut why are they THAT far away from each other?
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20:44.10Kirochithat's what I did sunday night
20:44.29Kirochiyou can't imagine what pain in the ass it is to shoot at the Dark Portal
20:47.01Sandwichman2448I added some major charicters that were listed but not in the catagorie.
20:48.01Sandwichman2448Are they major?
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20:57.34Kirochicharicters in the catagorie...
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21:36.40KirochiHusband beaters =>
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