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00:25.44Kirkburnlo eliah
00:25.50eliahoh hey
00:26.00eliahhow's it going?
00:26.15eliahI must have this room on autojoin, I don't even remember opening it :)
00:26.30KirkburnGood thanks :) Did wonder where our resident WoW Insider man had gone
00:27.43KirkburnHeh, good to see people making change comments - :P
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00:27.58Bagginswhmm interesting
00:28.03Bagginswapparently there is a "Kingdom of Ironforge"
00:28.11Bagginswwithin the continent of Khaz Modan
00:28.27Bagginswit more or less only includes Loch Modan and Dun Morogh
00:28.38KirkburnSounds about right
00:30.37Bagginswgoing to make a page right now
00:36.55BagginswI tell you political boundaries in Azeroth are insane
00:37.28BagginswKingdom of Stormwind is technically only the city, according to Lands of Conflict and Day of the Dragon
00:38.24Bagginswthe kingdom of Azeroth is pretty much only areas of Duskwood, Westfall, Elwynn forest and parts of Redridge Mountains
00:38.39Bagginswas well as nation of Stormwind
00:38.48Bagginswthen you have the continent of Azeroth
00:38.51Bagginswwhich is everything
00:39.18Bagginswerm not day of the dragon, I meant Tides of Darkness
00:40.09Bagginswthe kingdoms of Lordaeron are pretty straight forward
00:40.17Bagginswother than Dalaran is the city and only the city
00:40.31Bagginswand it lies within Alterac Mountains, which was the former Alterac Kingdom
00:40.45Bagginswit was the same way according to Tides of Darkness
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00:43.32Bagginswkirkburn I'll probably be seperating Kingdom of Azeroth article to discuss this distinction later
00:43.55BagginswI've already included quotes and comments of the boundaries of the Nation of Stormwind.
00:44.48Bagginswwhich might actually allow for a merg of the City of Storwind article o the Kingdom of Stormwind :p
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01:47.52moveaxWhat do you guys believe is a good Tankadin build?
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02:51.59Linthank you all gnight
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03:25.55piuerr, how do I set a caption on a table again?
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04:28.04Bagginswsky I'm trying to think of the best work to describe the kind of entity Elwynn forest, westfall and the like.
04:28.12BagginswProtectorate comes to mind
04:28.52Bagginswthey are all controlled or influenced by Stormwind but not part of  the kingdom of Stormwind proper
04:32.54Bagginswanyone else know if that'st he right term to use?
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04:59.33Sky2042uh, territory?
05:09.31Bagginswnot sure, territorys are more like states in the US I think
05:09.36Bagginswprotectorates one step down
05:09.56Bagginswa territory is the same thing as a state in Canada
05:10.44Bagginswbasically as I recall a protectorate is a sovergn country but it has dependence on another superior nation
05:13.37Sky2042a territory is also like puerto rico
05:19.50Bagginswya puerto rico is treated much like a state
05:19.58Bagginswat least for most laws
05:20.09Bagginswsome differences though
05:20.26BagginswWe have US protectorates too
05:20.37Bagginswits a different beast
05:21.06Bagginswprotectorates can't vote for US goverment officials as I recall
05:21.12Bagginswbut territories can
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05:23.21Jiyambihullo all
05:24.33JiyambiSky2042, I made some modifications to the zonebox based on Baggins new contributions, can you check it out and give us another opinion?
05:24.47Sky2042it's gotten a little long... hmm
05:25.10JiyambiYeah, and unfortunately some of the races take up two lines due to the pop info
05:25.24JiyambiBut I really like it better in the box than floating about in bullets at the top of the page
05:26.48Bagginswalternatively I was going to do away with bullets and juse : indent
05:26.56Bagginswbut that still boxes it
05:27.19JiyambiAnd I don't really wanna bring back the characteristics box
05:27.42Sky2042jiyambi: if you know how to, set a width for the left column
05:27.46BagginswSky it could be even longer, I chose to leave out other geographical info such as local resources, local religions and local languages, :P
05:28.17BagginswIf I add those in they'll probably get their own sections
05:28.22Bagginswin the main article
05:28.23Jiyambihehe like I mentioned on your talk, it would be cool if we could incorporate stuff like that into the article or maybe in a separate section
05:28.28Jiyambi..... great minds ;)
05:28.40Sky2042religion and language can be incorporated in the article, can't it?
05:28.51Sky2042in "Culture"?
05:28.58JiyambiSky: I will try to fix the widths, I may be too code illiterate tho :P
05:29.03BagginswFaith is gneerallly under culture
05:29.08Bagginswsame with language
05:29.21Bagginswnot sure where resources would best fit
05:29.38Sky2042there's usually a resources list in the article. just add it there.
05:29.45Sky2042as prose or a list
05:29.48Sky2042your choice
05:29.54Bagginswits only in list form
05:30.00Bagginswnot sure I'd want to convert it ot prose LOL
05:30.08Bagginswcould be kinda boring
05:30.15Bagginswcould be boring
05:30.38Jiyambitrue, list is probably fine for resources
05:30.43BagginswIts funny one of the biggest commodities outo f Icecrown is "Undead"
05:32.54Jiyambihmmm, i dont know how i did it but i improved the column width.... *is a little scared*
05:33.19Bagginswoh and jiyambi can you add a notice in the notations pointing out that lore section info originates from the Warcraft RPG books
05:33.23JiyambiI apparently am so awesome I just fix things without knowing what I am doing....
05:33.33Bagginswand should not be used for speculation
05:33.39JiyambiIn the notes for the template?
05:33.43Sky2042jiyambi: looks good :)
05:33.56Jiyambiokay cool. Sky: thanks lol
05:33.59Bagginswspecifically they came out of Lands of Mystery, and Lands of Conflict
05:34.27Sky2042Jiyambi: might want to add a pixel or two more between the titles and the info though
05:34.30Bagginswand some correllation in World of Warcraft The Roleplaying Game corebook too
05:36.08Bagginswalso another good optional section might be one used for towns, and cities.
05:36.33Bagginswto mark if they are considered "encampment", "village", "Metropolis" etc
05:36.53Bagginswif anyone is interested in that kind of detail
05:39.20Bagginswwell I"m off I'll talk later
05:40.02JiyambiThose details may best be added at that specific city/town's page
05:40.30Bagginswdon't we ahve a townbox?
05:40.45Sky2042Bagginsw nope.
05:41.04Bagginswwhat's that being used in darnassus?
05:41.28Bagginswahh factionbox
05:41.55Bagginswwe should something for towns
05:42.08Bagginswfor towns with population numbers
05:42.27Bagginswand how they classify
05:43.13Bagginswwell I'm definitely off LOL
05:44.52JiyambiI updated the documentation and attempted to add more cellpadding, not sure it worked tho
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05:44.54Sky2042"Players no longer gain the moving AOE radius bonus if they are jumping." lol
05:45.17JiyambiI should be studying for my midterm tomorrow :(
05:45.37Sky2042lol truedat
05:45.42Sky2042padding looks good
05:45.49Jiyambiyay :)
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05:46.38Jiyambifor why?
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05:49.04JiyambiSo is it pretty enough now?
05:49.17Jiyambican I update other pages without fear of massive revert?
05:50.03Sky2042minor and major settlements both likely need a valign="top"
05:50.08Sky2042otherwise, fine
05:50.43Jiyambigood point
05:52.29Jiyambithey have been aligned.
06:03.45JiyambiWell I had best be off, I updated Durotar and Teldrassil and thats it for now. adios!
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06:19.36Sky2042killed [[Paladin]]
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06:46.28Sky2042no, we are not wheat. please try again.
06:53.31KeolahUn'gorios: Part of a healthy breakfast.
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07:17.18Sky2042"our city"
07:17.51Bagginswwya, well the arguement isn't if its their city
07:17.59Sky2042i know :P
07:18.23BagginswwCeres is my home town :)
07:18.39Sky2042he once great gnome city now
07:18.56Bagginswwya all references I find only call it city
07:18.59Bagginswwor the gnome city
07:19.04Bagginswwor the technocity
07:19.07Bagginswwblah blah
07:19.27Bagginswwcan't find a reference to city-state for it though LOL
07:19.37Bagginswwlots of other types of cities though
07:19.43Sky2042"beloved city" :/
07:23.59Bagginswwso uh anything in tides of darkness?
07:24.08Sky2042no se. haven't got a copy :|
07:24.23BagginswwI've only skim read the entire book due to little time
07:24.51Bagginswwso basiclaly I know where specific sectiosn are, but not necessarily every detail.
07:25.09Sky2042 lol
07:27.47Bagginswwthere is an underlying implication in the RPG that Gnomeregan answered to Ironforge, if any matters arose relating to both, although for the most part independent.
07:27.58Bagginswwbut its not said specifically
07:28.11Sky2042sounds like the consitution's supremacy clause :o
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07:33.27BagginswwLOL, he's annoying
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07:57.52BagginswwI can't find nargask anywhere
07:58.25Bagginswwonly reference to dughan I found was in LoC and its only reference to him being ruler of elwynn
07:59.03Bagginswwhe's not int he apg
07:59.27Bagginswwthere really isn't that many books that go into specifics on obscure characters :p
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12:58.27Volus|nothereI'm looking for Wikia's queen. She here?
12:59.32KirkburnMorning all
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12:59.48VoluGood afternoon, Kirkburn.
13:00.29VoluHow are you today?
13:01.06KirkburnWaking up
13:02.06VoluAh, ok :)
13:02.28VoluSo, what's are you going to do today?
13:03.34VoluAnyway, I have a problem. You're in the wikia team, right?
13:07.11VoluKirkbuuuuuuurn! /whine
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13:37.18huraxthat was louder ;)
13:37.56KirkburnAlso, it actually pings me :P
13:38.16VoluWell, good you're here
13:38.27huraxi know :)
13:38.29VoluTake a look at this page:
13:38.47VoluCan you fix it?
13:38.55VoluThe pictures have an ugly white frame.
13:39.43KirkburnIt should be in the wowwiki css
13:40.11VoluYes, I know. Moonbook something.
13:43.56KirkburnWell, I can only really suggest looking at wowwiki's css
13:44.32VoluI'll have a look then
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14:22.34VoluPlingeling, you there?
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14:37.20VoluOh no...
14:38.36Kaydeethreewhat the... whats this new curse masthead?
14:39.20Kaydeethreeand an instant bug report: the sign in/create account link is 404
14:39.31foxlit"Reduces threat caused by all actions by 30%"
14:39.34foxlitffs, paladins
14:39.44foxlitEven turkeys don't get that much threat reduction, and we can't bubble!
14:40.19VoluA new spell?
14:40.25Kaydeethreekirkburn, you alive? all of the links on the main page are pointing to /wikia/Article and not /Article
14:40.44pcjtalent change
14:41.07VoluThey do, Key?
14:41.12KirkburnKaydeethree, no they aren't?
14:41.28KirkburnOh, on the Curse version
14:41.32VoluWikia is taking over the business!
14:41.52VoluAnyway, what paladins need is a tool to make more threat. Not less.
14:42.13Kaydeethreepallies are getting more than enough threat if they're specced ret on the ptr
14:42.28VoluA retri tank?
14:42.30KirkburnKaydeethree, I think you got confused :P
14:42.37foxlitKaydeethree: I don't buy that.
14:42.54foxlitTheir attacks don't come with any additional threat, do they?
14:43.07foxlit(I'm whining, btw)
14:43.09KirkburnNo, they just don't have a way of reducing it
14:43.21foxlitTheir way of reducing it is better than my way of reducing it!
14:43.28foxlitBy a whooping 10%!
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14:43.45foxlitHah, nevermind.
14:43.51Fisker-Salvation isn't a selfbuff
14:43.54VoluZizanzu is wondering when you're going to answer her letter.
14:44.00foxlitFisker-: Ignorance is not a defense.
14:44.12VoluIt's an offence.
14:44.22Fisker-your ignorance is not a defense
14:44.27Fisker-good thing we agree
14:44.32DottedSure we can do that Volu i guess :)
14:44.41Dotted~seen laurly
14:44.43infobotlaurly <> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 5d 6h 26m 43s ago, saying: 'now you see why i posted it kal found it on relm forums thought it was weird'.
14:44.44VoluGreat :)
14:44.56VoluIgnorance is one of the master supression techniques.
14:45.03Fisker-Firefox Kaydeethree :(
14:45.25Kaydeethreeand what would you prefer I use?
14:45.29foxlitFisker-: -30% talent-based threat reduction for paladins on PTR.
14:45.40Kaydeethreeahaha, no.
14:46.02foxlitWhat do fury warriors get, nowadays?
14:46.10foxlitor even on the PTR :)
14:46.12Fisker-20% passive
14:46.21Fisker-and 10% talented
14:46.34VoluNot bad
14:46.47VoluOnce upon a time we magi got 30 % too
14:47.05Kaydeethreethere we go. now that I'm logged in the site's not pointing to /wikia/article
14:47.11foxlitOnce upon a time mages got invisibility, so now their opinion on threat matters to no one.
14:47.23foxlitFisker-: so why should paladins be better than fury warriors? :)
14:47.25Kaydeethreebut this is going to be problematic for people who aren't logged in
14:48.01Fisker-You mean why should retribution paladins be better than fury warriors
14:48.16foxlitConsider that amended.
14:48.51Fisker-though the question is a tough one to answer as they have the same threat reduction, and as such should be able to do the same damage provided that they can keep using their abillities
14:49.11foxlitWell, no, they don't have the same threat reduction
14:49.13Fisker-not to mention that Fury Warriors > * pretty much these days, and every days
14:49.23foxlit*0.80*0.90 > 0.70
14:50.00foxlitWhere does the 10% come from, anyway? :)
14:50.17Fisker-improved berserker stance
14:50.27Fisker-besides you don't even know the mechanics of it yet
14:50.54winkiller"this makes a cence"
14:51.00winkillerI love forums
14:51.14winkilleror, sence
14:52.36foxlit"besides you don't even know the mechanics of it yet" -- it's on the PTR, isn't it?
14:53.05VoluI could ask my contacts in the GM departement...
14:54.07foxlitHrm, actually, that's good :)
14:54.23foxlitNow if only some paladins that do actual dps turned up on our doorstep when 2.3 hits
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14:55.31elmargolIs someone from the states in here?
14:55.44foxlitThough I suppose that's a gear/skills issue more than it is a class problem
14:56.35VoluNo, sorry Elm.
14:56.47VoluWowwiki is European now :P
14:57.35elmargolI have a question about the tax system of USA :D Every state has different taxes?
14:58.01elmargolAnd if i buy something only I allways pay the DC taxes?
14:58.03VoluBut everyone can choose to pay federal tax too
14:58.12elmargolonline i mean
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14:58.53VoluI think you have to pay tax to your own country then.
14:59.17foxlitI think that in most states, you do not pay tax from online purchases
14:59.32foxlitanecdotal evidence suggests DC is special
15:00.06elmargolA song on Itunes costs 0.99 USD? right? is this tax included?
15:01.25elmargol(I try to compare prices in US VS EU)
15:01.40foxlitI don't think they cross-sell. :)
15:01.42VoluI don't think there's a tax on virtual items
15:01.51VoluBut who knows?
15:02.01foxlitSome EU countries may actually tax things
15:02.05Kaydeethreesome states tax net sales
15:02.09foxlitiirc, though, the 99 cents is what you pay
15:02.14elmargolfoxlit: we pay 20% for everything
15:02.31foxlit25% here :)
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15:02.40elmargolFood and some other things are exluded
15:03.14VoluMerverdiavgift :O
15:03.28elmargolstrange how about a ps3 on amazon? they say 500 USD there
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15:04.07foxlitOh, btw.
15:04.14VoluTax excemptions
15:04.19foxlitYou may be responsible for paying taxes from your own amazon purchases
15:05.05elmargolI'm not going to buy something from the states :D I'm just curios how much sony steals from us
15:05.33elmargolor apple... they allways do 1USD=1EUR
15:05.53VoluI think it's similiar to tax-free shops at air ports. You can buy xx litres/kilos for personal use without paying tax
15:06.30VoluDollars are less worth than Euros. How can they do that?
15:07.42elmargolwell they do stupid buissines :D
15:09.36pcjApple doing something stupid? Not a surprise
15:10.13elmargol<- linux
15:10.33Fisker-then you hate yourself LOLOL
15:11.18elmargolipod touch is 426.52 USD here (tax included)
15:11.27elmargolyou pay 299USD
15:11.55VoluWell, let's hope that the EU states will agree on Directive 2007/78845/54 on file sharing
15:12.47VoluThen no one in Europe will have to pay for apple's music :)
15:13.10elmargolNoone is going to pay for music anyway
15:13.15Fisker-DO NOT BUY AN IPOD
15:13.25elmargolI have one and I hate it
15:13.26Fisker-i'm going to launch ICBM's
15:13.39DottediCBM ho ho
15:14.07VoluIs that a new MP3-player or an interbalistic missile?
15:14.14elmargolat the end we are paying taxis and music is for free
15:15.21elmargollike 5 USD on your phone bill every month and you are free to download everything you like
15:16.10VoluWith the Directive you wouldn't :)
15:16.20foxlitiPods are great, clearly :)
15:16.38VoluDo you know what they called them before?
15:18.22VoluiPods suckssors.
15:18.43huraxwhat directive?
15:19.14VoluDirective on File Sharing.
15:20.57huraxand what does it say? death punishment will be allowed again, but only for serious crimes like filesharing?
15:21.51VoluNo, it legalises file sharing.
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15:32.31huraxwhere did you read that? seems unlikely since all rcent law changes were in favor of the industry
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16:24.03KirkburnKaydeethree, ping
16:24.39KirkburnWhere were you seeing that link problem?
16:24.57Kaydeethreeon the front page the first time I got to the wiki today
16:25.08Kaydeethreehaven't been able to repro it since
16:25.12KirkburnWeird, no sign of it here, logged in or out
16:25.18KirkburnPerhaps they were fiddling the server
16:25.37KirkburnHad an edit by a tech guy earlier, around the same time iirc
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16:36.01foxlitgrumble grumble, what is it with hosting support and asking for passwords?
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16:49.33Bagginswwso ya kirkburn, not sure what you can see, but I can't tell if a sentence is double spaced or not in my monitor
16:49.56BagginswwI looked at what you altered on deathwing and I can't see a thing LOL
16:50.01KirkburnIt only appears in the code, but it's bad practise anyway :P
16:50.49Bagginswwhmm, its weird. I don't think I ever double space myself
16:51.00Bagginswwor at least i try to aovid it
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16:55.08infoboti heard ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
16:55.36Kirochimanners, you guys. Greet a lady the way you must.
16:55.55DuTempeteMorning, Kirochi :P
16:56.51Kirochihey DuTempete
16:56.56Kirochihow are you?
16:57.10DuTempetealive, you?
16:57.15Kirochistill not
16:57.23KirochiI'm a Lowborne
16:57.27DuTempetesorry to hear that :(
16:58.04KirochiLet's ask the Bee Gees what their secret is
16:58.14Kirochithe New York Times effect on men bores me
16:58.20DuTempeteprobably drugs
16:58.54DuTempeteI know what my cure will be, but it's not something I can just up and do, atm. :P
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16:59.43Kirochieugh, I don't wanna know, knowing you
17:00.04DuTempetelol, now I wanna know what you're thinking of. :P
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17:03.27Kirochiit does not hundreds of consenting fantasies partners letting you win at Def Jam Vendetta
17:05.53KirkburnWhatever it is, it sounds scary
17:06.14DuTempeteThat it does.
17:06.40Kirochi(street wrestling video game)
17:06.45Kirochi(scary enough)
17:06.55Kirochi"Ow yeah bruise me"
17:07.43Kirochiit does not involve* ah shoot
17:08.34DuTempete`uhh, yeah...
17:08.52DuTempetedefinintely no street wrestling in my future.
17:09.47DuTempeteThat violent streak of mine that you may be thinking of is only reserved for Frenchies and people who try to steal my Kirkburn.
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17:11.07DuTempeteThat caption should say "La Porte Sombre, baby!"
17:12.04KirkburnI don't get it :(
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17:13.08KirochiKirkburn, I have some spare neurona, I can let you borrow'em
17:13.43KirkburnJudging from your spelling of neurons, I probably don't want them :P
17:14.02KirochiI fqfqvqdvv neurons
17:14.08Kirochibite me
17:14.08DuTempeteSounds like you need them more, Kirochi. :P
17:14.21KirkburnSo do I, Kirochi, but only in private
17:15.03Kirochiok, "s" and "a" keys are quite close on my keyboard, stfu
17:15.14KirochiI have wide fingertips :'(
17:15.51DuTempeteYou have the same keyboard format as most other people, Kirochi.  It isn't our fault you have fat fingers.
17:16.12KirochiI have an AZERTY
17:16.19Kirochiyou have a qwerty
17:16.26Kirochidon't make me laugh
17:16.27DuTempetewell, there's your problem
17:16.38DuTempeteGet a real fucking keyboard. :P
17:16.51Kirochishuddup, my keyboard works fine for French needs
17:17.46Bagginswwwell I did find one reference to "kingdom of gnomeregan" however its part of the madness of Gelbin Mekkatorque
17:17.53Bagginswwso we can't legitemtly trust it
17:18.12BagginswwHe envisioned a great kingdom out
17:18.12Bagginswwof Gnomeregan, carved out of the entire western half
17:18.12Bagginswwof Dun Morogh,
17:18.16Kirochiaw Bagginsww, so you also vomit the <King of Gnomes> tag?
17:18.17Bagginswwerm sico
17:18.19BagginswwI mean
17:18.28KirochiSicko Thermaplugg
17:18.44Bagginswwya king of gnomes tag isn't literal btw
17:18.49Bagginswwaccording to APG
17:19.04Bagginswwany high tinker can take on a silly name when they go into office
17:19.13KirochioO I just figured out that Thermaplugg's first name was actualy a joke
17:19.47Kirochi"I'm not retarded, I'm just French"--Me
17:20.21Bagginswwwell atually I tink sicco may be a real name
17:22.41Bagginswwapparently the name is used in netherlands
17:22.45Kirochihey, btw, did you answer my question about the map?
17:23.24BagginswwI gave you al ink
17:23.25Kirochiah right
17:23.35Bagginswwand no I can't scan the entire thing
17:23.38Bagginswwits way to big
17:23.38Kirochiwhy on Earth did I unwatch your user page? oO
17:23.54Bagginswwbecause too many people message me?
17:24.41Kirochibut why did I leave Village Pump in my list then?
17:25.06BagginswwIf I ever get free time I might scan parts of it in by zone
17:25.10Bagginswwbut not the entire map, LOL
17:25.21BagginswwYes I have one
17:25.30Kirochidid you actually pay $20 for THAT?
17:25.39Bagginswwum less than that
17:25.59Bagginswwbtw its very cool
17:26.09KirochiI guess so :D
17:26.11Bagginsww[[hyjal summit]]
17:26.11[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
17:26.20Kirochibut I'm a bookkeeper so I don't need it
17:26.31BagginswwI'm a bookkeeper too LOL
17:26.44Kirochiyeah but I'm bigger
17:26.56Bagginswwbut I get some things for my collection for sole purpose of helping wowwiki out
17:27.21Bagginsww[[Hyjal Summit]]
17:27.22[NewsBot]Bagginsww meant:
17:27.22KirochiI didn't get ANYTHING
17:27.36Bagginswwhow do you book keep then?
17:27.49KirochiI, um, bought stuff
17:28.06Kirochiwell, actually my mum did for me, cause I've been good
17:28.19Bagginswwgood good so you do have a collection of something
17:28.29Kirochiand I might ask her to order on amazon the few books I still don't own
17:28.41BagginswwI think most book keepers only have novels at least
17:28.42KirochiI got the WotA trilogy and that's all
17:28.45Bagginswwor the video games
17:28.59KirochiI have war 3 & TFT & WoW & TBC
17:29.10Kirochi(ok, I'm lying)
17:29.29KirochiI have 70% of all warcraft books on my computer, pdf or scanned
17:29.42KirochiI've downloaded full versions of War 1 & 2
17:30.03Bagginswwwhat amuses me is 70% of the book keepers have grand titles that don't mean much LOL
17:30.15Bagginswwcool rpg books too?
17:30.19Kirochimy only grand title is "Majordomo"
17:30.31BagginswwShodo-Thane'jin ;)
17:30.36KirochiI didn't ask for it and yet I have a slight hint of what it means
17:30.52Kirochino, I made this one up because I was bored
17:31.15KirochiI don't only bookkeep those three civilizations, but they are my favourites
17:31.17BagginswwShodo Pan leaders of the pandarens, formerly only one, and was the emperor
17:31.19Kirochioh dinner time
17:31.21Kirochisee ya
17:31.30Bagginswwthane kings of the dwarves
17:31.50Bagginswwtribal chief or elder
17:32.01Kiro`awayKiro'jin=> nough
17:32.08Bagginswwso ya very grand
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17:57.50Kiro`awayEw, I heard Second Life was rather in favor of Larry Flint for 2008
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18:10.38Kirochiyeah, Player Permadeath rules
18:16.40Kirochi"Aw, your char just died. Your keyboard will now electrocute you within four seconds."
18:18.18Kirochi"Don't cry for being a noob, cry for having been stupid enough to purchase WoW while being such"
18:19.44KirochiThe dragon, Alexstrasza, lets loose on Thrall.
18:20.04KirochiI was disappointed by the actual picture
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18:20.35KirochiWoulda been great to see this bloody green animal get drowned in dragon dung
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18:48.24pcjI've implemented loot comparison
18:51.07Fisker-Bibi can nothing do :I
18:51.18Bibiwhat ?
18:53.23Fisker-you can't stop me from attacking you
18:54.15Fisker-o hi
18:54.45kadrahilanyone have an alliance on korgath? :/
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19:26.56pcj documented
19:27.10DuTempeteHey, Kirkburn, you're so fine!  You're so fine you blow my mind!
19:27.18DuTempeteHey Kirky!
19:27.23DuTempeteHey Kirky!
19:27.39pcjhow clever
19:28.21KirkburnI hope your water isn't metered DuTempete :P
19:28.38DuTempeteYou think he needs to be hosed down that long?
19:29.16DuTempeteI think he's just jealous I wasn't singing to him. :P
19:29.41KirkburnWell, depends on if we start up the WoWWiki wet t-shirt competition
19:29.45DuTempeteToo many syllables in your name, pcj.  Sorry. :(
19:30.07DuTempete*my* white t-shirts are staying perfectly dry, thank you.
19:30.16pcjthe syllable-to-letter ratio is 1:1 :(
19:30.24KirochiMr No-Boobs has nothing to say
19:30.37DuTempeteI would be amused if the guys were to take pictures of themselves in wet t-shirts, though.
19:30.41DuTempeteThat would be awesome.
19:30.47Kirochiaw are you teasing me?
19:31.19Kirochiso you like guys enough to ask for a dorky-geeky wet t-shirt competition? how bold
19:31.45DuTempeteThat would SO rock.
19:31.52DuTempeteWinner could get a vid card or something :P
19:32.03pcjhmm i don't have a digital camera, but i can get one of my t-shirts wet and scan it in
19:32.24DuTempeteThat only works if you lay down on the scanner while wearing the t-shirt. :P
19:33.06CorganI just woke up @_@
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19:33.20KirochiI'm da lawgivaaah
19:33.27Kirochihey, that's sick DuTempete
19:33.39Corganoh shush you
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19:36.52jumanjikidhey got a question for everyone
19:37.14KirochiI ain't got no chest attributes
19:37.17jumanjikidhow are they accumulated
19:37.30DuTempeteuh... through gear...
19:37.42jumanjikidheh :)
19:37.58DuTempeteIs that really what you're asking or am I not understanding?
19:38.25jumanjikidhang on let me rephrase
19:38.41DuTempeteAnd yes, Kirochi, we understand that you have a flat chest, no need to brag about it.
19:38.51pcjrub it in!
19:39.16Kirochiyeah, my lack of pectorals bothers me
19:39.28Kirochi*goes off to some more exercise*
19:39.32DuTempeteYou could have man-boobs...
19:39.39jumanjikidok so your stats accumulate every level
19:39.42jumanjikidbase stats that is
19:39.46DuTempetebase stats, yes
19:39.48jumanjikidis there a formula?
19:39.59DuTempeteI don't think so, I think it's just set.
19:40.08jumanjikidis there a reference?
19:40.27jumanjikidor has anyone come accrossed a guide?
19:40.39DuTempeteI don't think we have one on the wiki.
19:40.47jumanjikidnope :)
19:40.49jumanjikidi checked
19:40.54DuTempeteIt's dependant on class, that I know.
19:40.59DuTempeteWhy are you wanting to know?
19:41.31jumanjikidim creating an online tool to determine stat changes by equipment
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19:41.48jumanjikidie. is +4 int better then +5 agi etc.
19:42.39DuTempeteAh, that sounds interesting.
19:43.11Kirkburnjumanjikid, sounds like RatingsBuster
19:43.17jumanjikidhowever, i cant determine stat changes if i dont even know what the stats are :)
19:43.26Kirkburn*RatingBuster, even
19:43.28pcjPer-class break down is on the individual pages
19:43.39KirkburnThat's an ingame addon that does that
19:43.55jumanjikidwhat if im not in-game
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19:44.08jumanjikidpcj: that doesn't outline the stat gains per level
19:44.24KirkburnStat gains per level don't follow a formula so far as I know
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19:45.12jumanjikidthats why i asked id anybody had seen a reference
19:45.38DuTempeteI could swear I've seen a list somewhere, but I wouldn't know where to begin looking.
19:45.47DuTempeteexcept :P
19:46.14jumanjikidthe information is trivial, you'd figure someone had put it together by now
19:55.46KirochiI'm still waiting for an add-on that writes lore directly on WoWwiki to replace me
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19:56.58DuTempeteI think that's called Bagginsww...
20:01.49KeolahI was dreaming there was a level 350 giant dinosaur rampaging through my hometown...
20:05.24Kirochiyeah, and it looks like I'm doing his job too
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21:14.59KirkburnK, so I've been working on getting a collection of 31 featured articles, collated from the FA noms and my own searching
21:15.07Kirkburn[[Main Page/FA]]
21:15.07[NewsBot]Kirkburn meant:
21:15.14KirkburnThat's got the texts
21:39.51KirochiI think it's hot
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22:16.50Sky2042Kirkburn: sannse just added something to the wrong pump, you want to move the message to the vp? and maybe add a site message summarizing it?
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22:35.45sannsesorry Kirkburn, must be half asleep
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22:36.17Kirkburnheh :)
22:36.44KirkburnAny sort of timeframe on it yet?
22:37.26sannseyeah, I have some dates, basically over the next two weeks... but I in no way believe them ;)  I expect it to be longer than that
22:38.51sannseUpdrade time is /always/ hard work, and with more complications than we expect <grumble>
22:39.01Kirkburnheh, tis true
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22:56.52Kaydeethree"You have 420 pages on your watchlist"
22:57.50sannsethere are 44,585 articles! eep! watch more! ;)
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23:32.10KirkburnWow, Maraudon is nice
23:34.05Bibiwelcome to WoW Kirkburn
23:34.10Bibiit's nice ! you'll see !
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