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00:00.35FtH|Daemonaand making it a white attack will make it object of dual wield miss rate, not special attack miss rate
00:00.55FtH|Daemonaand did i mention it cant proc the rogue trinket from void reaver anymore?
00:00.56FtH|Daemonai feel so nerfed :(
00:05.31Pzyif changing it back to white damage = making it glance
00:05.50Pzythat just means that they're just changing it back to what it was intended.
00:06.06FtH|Daemonawell melee dps will again suck...
00:06.10FtH|Daemonaspecially rogues
00:06.21Pzythe yellow damage change was probably just an oversight on the part of glancing blows
00:06.25Pzyhow so?
00:06.37Pzyone single part of sword spec suddenly = massive nerf?
00:06.46Pzynot true.
00:07.04FtH|Daemonawell it was like the first buff ever for the rogue class
00:07.34FtH|Daemonait put as were we deserved to be as a class that could do nothing but dps
00:07.39FtH|Daemona... on top of all others.
00:07.45Pzyand you still do one of the top damage.
00:08.09Pzyas for sword spec doing 10% of your damage, I call BS.
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00:30.12MatthewSthat was new...
00:30.46MatthewSsite went away for a sec from overload
00:31.34MatthewSok, fix is in place
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03:48.31MentalPowerhey guys, I really like the colorful sigs, but I was wondering how you auto-add the time after your sig?
03:54.54clad|sleepthats just ~~~~
03:56.34MentalPowerhow do you redirect ~~~~ to {{User:MentalPower/Sig}} SomeDateTimeGoesHere
03:57.00clad|sleepi use the substitution method described on one of the sig pages
03:57.08clad|sleepit basically replaces your standard signature with the call to the template
03:57.12clad|sleepso when I sign off, I just use ~~~~
03:57.19clad|sleepand it does my sig, followed by the date and time.
03:57.25MentalPowerhmm... where is this magical page?
03:57.40clad|sleepmy preferences
03:57.49clad|sleepthat's what i put in for my Signature
03:58.00clad|sleepand the "Raw Signature" is checked.
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05:26.57Zealnot in the mood for lore stuffs atm, soz.
05:27.11Zealbusy pointing out how wow ace2 is failing >_>
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05:37.29Bagginswwhmm this is interesting
05:37.29Bagginswwas far back as Manual of Monsters;
05:38.21BagginswwDemons were mortal once, but have been transformed by their conversion into demonic beings. This change includes a powerful  command of arcane energy. They define and control this arcane power with the force of their will, much as sorcerers and wizards do.
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05:45.59Bagginsww that info is going to have cause a slight change in the subtiles of the artilces
05:46.40Bagginswwsince it says all demons were corrupted mortals.
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06:26.15Bagginswwhas anyone encountered "Forgosh <The Duke of Fiends>"
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07:06.32Bagginsww new article if anyone wants to expand on it based on information they have obtained in BC
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07:19.08Bagginswwdue to wowwiki rules that published source is more valid than a file name, I've taken the liberty to start changing "beholder" articles over to "floating eyes", based on the official TBC strategy guide.
07:20.41BagginswwIf a later source comes out calling them Beholders (if that is even legal), then we can change it back.
07:21.13BagginswwFinal Fantasy once was sued for using the term + image of Beholder in the first game IIRC.
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07:35.42Sky2042tekkub or kirkburn|sleep, need a ban
07:36.04Sky2042or, hell, bagginsww
07:36.09Bagginswwya sky I'm here
07:36.31Bagginswwtoday you want me to ban myself, :)
07:36.33Sky2042 needs a nice, long, block
07:36.40Sky2042make it very long
07:36.54Bagginswwok what did he do?
07:37.04BagginswwI need his contrib page
07:37.09Sky2042he's systematically targeting me :D
07:37.40Tekkubwell you obviously deserve it, lets ban you instead
07:37.54Bagginswwyep that's definitely bannable junk
07:38.10Sky2042:))) @ tekkub
07:38.12Bagginswwok I'll ban him while yo set up the page
07:38.20Bagginswwset up the vandal page
07:38.25Bagginswwsince you know more about what he did
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07:39.18TekkubI buggered MatthewS about those two extensions to help us with bans today, but I don't think he saw my PM
07:39.36Bagginswwbanned sky
07:39.42Bagginswwyep I did, ;) j/k
07:39.52Sky2042oh shit
07:40.04Bagginswwheh heh
07:40.16Bagginswwbut ya sky you can make the notice in the known vandals page
07:40.19BagginswwI"m tired :p
07:41.08Sky2042such an unoriginal "new" name
07:41.19Bagginsww so ya I did find reference to "beholder" ingame items, but that's the only place... Makes an interesting conundrum... Should we use published name for the race, or the name implied by dropped items?
07:41.46Bagginswwahh he was blocked previously?
07:42.16Sky2042yuh huh
07:42.34Sky2042i happened to be the one reverting his stuff :]
07:43.08TekkubMatthewS is kinda cute
07:43.23Sky2042and can one of you delete ?
07:44.43BagginswwSky just because I did this for you today, don't think of me as your personal admin slave, :)
07:46.37BagginswwPromotes Sky to "sidekick"
07:46.55Tekkubtossed MatthewS an email
07:48.55MatthewSi cant believe im still awake...
07:48.56MatthewSbut i saw that
07:49.04MatthewSwho's the user? what you need?
07:49.12Sky2042well, the user's blocked now
07:49.20MatthewSok, you found him?
07:49.32MatthewSIP info?
07:49.39MatthewSor you just blocked the username?
07:49.46Sky2042the latter, i think
07:50.00BagginswwI just blocked the user name
07:50.15Bagginswwdon't think I ipblocked it
07:50.15MatthewSand as i was saying earlier. going to have those mods installed soon. just want to get the site upgraded to 1.10 which should happen next week
07:50.42Bagginswwversion 1.10, oh noes the Scourge attack.
07:50.43MatthewSsorry about the delay on the upgrade
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07:51.44Sky2042now why are you here?
07:52.26Zealtook your time to notice? :p
07:52.34Zeali'm getting addon help on other chans
07:52.40Zealand i like to bug you guys
07:55.33Bagginswwwell gnight all
07:56.51TekkubMatthewS, thanks for the info
07:57.08Tekkubwas just hoping we could rush those two mods in, bastard vandals and all
07:57.52Tekkuband no, not even kirk can find IPs out for blocks
07:59.34MatthewShe's off .mil?
08:00.35MatthewSthis vandal
08:00.40MatthewShe's on a us military network
08:01.23Tekkubhrm.... I think no matter what I say on that matter I'll get in trouble
08:01.34Sky2042so hush
08:02.19MatthewSok, I'm firewalling the user's /24 subnet
08:02.30MatthewSso about 255 addresses are filtered off some military network somewhere
08:02.47Tekkub:)  see that's what we need power to do
08:03.41Tekkubis this the same guy as last night?
08:04.34MatthewSwhat was last night's vandals name?
08:04.53MatthewSneuro something?
08:05.01TekkubDthe 3 below that
08:08.11MatthewSall different IP's
08:08.48Tekkubdrastically different?  he would have had to get new IPs to get around the block
08:10.26MatthewSi just ran all the names on known_vandals for june
08:11.02MatthewSsome are europe, some are asia, one is a school in cali, military one,
08:11.07MatthewSthats about it
08:11.13MatthewS2 are europe
08:11.21Tekkubban all military schools! :)
08:15.22MatthewSprobably open proxies
08:17.39MatthewSok, no cache setup tonight
08:18.07MatthewSand it's 4am. bedtime!
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08:23.43ZealTekkub, did you see the issue i brought up about ace2?
08:24.11Zealdidn't think so.. lol
08:24.14Tekkubmeh? even
08:24.40Zealit's causing taint in Blizzard_RaidUI
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08:25.07Tekkubokey, and?
08:25.56Zealthat's it. happens whenever an ace2 addon is enabled. so.. ace2 needs fixing
08:26.38Tekkubso why you telling me?
08:26.55Zealthought you were someone in charge of wowace?
08:27.23Tekkubgo get caught up on the drama and look up Dongle, then get back to me
08:27.28Tekkubanywho, going to bed
08:28.03Zeal.. w/e no need to get snitty about it :S i don't care for dealing with your troubles. nn.
08:32.23Zealanyways, i'm off too. nn all
08:32.54Tekkub:)  I like being mean to him
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08:35.52Bagginswwwould it be more accurate to categorize stag under deer, rather than deer under stags?
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09:16.27BagginswwQ: Why are some monsters missing from this site?
09:16.27BagginswwA: The following monsters are considered "Product Itentity" by Wizards of the Coast and are therefore not part of the SRD:
09:16.27Bagginswwcarrion crawler
09:16.29Bagginswwdisplacer beast
09:16.37Bagginswwmind flayer
09:16.41Bagginswwumber hulk
09:16.55Bagginswwit seems blizzard could be sued for using the term "Beholder" if Wizards of hte Coast ever found out
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09:22.07BagginswwThe original Japanese Famicom and MSX versions of Final Fantasy had creatures called beholders and eyes that looked like the traditional beholder. However, for the US release and later editions, the sprite was changed and the beholders were renamed.
09:22.16Bagginswwbecause of a lawsuit too
09:22.32Bagginswwthey were renamed "Floating Eyes"
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10:41.35laurly_afkanyone awake?
10:41.41laurly_afk   whats up with the last one?
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10:55.49Adyswhats the point...?
10:57.20Pzykgoes with the frozen shadoweave set
10:58.24laurly_afkfirst ones a bug?
10:59.09laurlyscroll up guys whats with the last server on the last page of the eu server list?
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10:59.49Pzyk1st one's the spell the server casts to create the enchant
10:59.55PzykI'm on it laurly
11:00.52laurlyjust wondering why its in { as a alphibetical letter
11:03.13PzykI fixed it
11:03.19Pzykbut it's a little odd
11:04.36laurly:) i decided to leave it alone.
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11:38.36Bagginswwsmall work in trying to get that "controversy" section back to more neutral stance
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11:46.35Kirkburn|sleepNo more exams!! Until Monday!!
11:46.45KirkburnGood morning all
11:47.06laurlythink its more afternoon here :)
11:48.37Bagginswwgrats kirkburn
11:48.53Bagginsww compare that to zarnk's edits kirkburn
11:49.00infobotsomebody said ugt was Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant.
11:49.06BagginswwI've tried make it more neutral
11:49.17KasoBagginsww, reads like pro-dwarf propaganda if you ask me! Stinkin alliance!
11:50.31BagginswwWell alot of the info comes form Brann, he's kind of a mediator between both sides.
11:50.56KirkburnBagginsww, nice work
11:50.59Bagginswwsome of the info also comes from Horde & Alliance sourcebook that doesn't actually have an in-universe pov
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11:54.50Bagginswwalthough I think I really need to add more to the main article so that hte relations doesn't take more than half hte article :p
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12:03.31KirkburnApollozeus, the guy who posted the Northrend map on WoWGuru seems to have claimed it as his own
12:04.39KirkburnHe's linked the PSD as here -;7712596;;/ ... dunno if someone wants to check it out?
12:08.25Kasolooks pretty convincing Kirkburn
12:08.41Kirkburnhow so?
12:09.28KasoAll the seperate elements in different layers, it also has Azeroth maps he's used for examples and it has the lack an white northrend map he copied off which he used as a template in there
12:11.54KirkburnYup, that does sound pretty convincing :P
12:17.58KirkburnKanaru should be hired by Blizz :P (if he isn't already ^^)
12:21.36Kasocos i was bored :>
12:22.03KirkburnI wondered what you were up to :P
12:22.39Pzykthere goes pages of debate, whisked away
12:22.59KirkburnYear of my life, gone, just like that :P
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12:26.41TERENHi all
12:27.09TERENEmm, anybody out there?
12:27.18TERENOh hi
12:27.21KirkburnBagginsww, soon enough we'll have more books to add to :)
12:28.15Kasokirk which housing icons do you mean?
12:28.29KirkburnThe little houses
12:28.51KirkburnThey were added to the BC map in 2.1 afaik (certainly don't recall them before that)
12:28.59Kasothose you mean
12:29.09KirkburnLike Southshore, etc =)
12:29.22KirkburnI'd forgotten their appearance on Azeroth :D
12:29.42Pzykthe house icons on the map?
12:30.04Pzykthey've been in there for a loooooong while. >_>
12:30.15Kaso|afkExam time! :eek:
12:30.34KirkburnGood luck! :D
12:30.36KirkburnWhat have you got?
12:30.46KirkburnPzyk, not on Outland
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12:31.42Kaso|afkComp Sci, this one is on Data Structures and asmebely
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12:31.52KirkburnSee ya later
12:33.24PzykKirk, a self redirect on wowinsider?
12:33.27xordoquyIs there a way to sent a comment to a page author ?
12:33.49KirkburnPzyk, ?
12:34.02Pzykredirects to itself
12:34.13Kirkburnlol, oops
12:34.17Kirkburnxordoquy, how do you mean?
12:34.35KirkburnYou mean something like ?
12:34.38KirkburnPzyk, fixed
12:35.15xordoquyI'm just double checking the maths ;)
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12:36.44Kirkburnxordoquy, if someone leave's a comment on their talk page, they get a banner telling them to check the page :)
12:37.24KirkburnHowever, if it's something article related, it's best to keep the talk on the article talk page, and tell them on their talk page to check there. Lots of people use watchlists, so they may see your comment anyway.
12:38.10xordoquyok, I didn't notice the "talk" link
12:38.21Kirkburnnp :)
12:46.25xordoquyok, have a good day / night :)
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12:48.14KirkburnLol -
12:49.47KirkburnAww, this is so cool -
12:53.10amroKirkburn: that's awesome
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13:28.40Apollozeusanyway Kirk
13:28.47ApollozeusI told ya I was right :P
13:28.52Apollozeusthere was no way that map could be real
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13:33.47KirkburnKos is silly -
13:34.24Pzykbeat me to it
13:35.45KirkburnI don't think anyone on here could mistake me for being American =)
13:35.56Pzykprobably just assumed.
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13:37.27Pzykbtw, I'm still kinda not sold on whether should stay or not
13:37.41Pzykthat video seems kinda.... messed up I guess?
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13:40.05Apollozeuscm song?
13:40.23Apollozeus"It quickly became controversial because of its Norwegian lyrics,"
13:40.30Pzykyeah but I'd suggest not watching it if you value your eyes.
13:41.18KirkburnI've removed it
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13:41.28KirkburnI didn't watch the video beore
13:41.42Apollozeusthat video is stupid
13:41.44KirkburnNow that I've seen the first 30 seconds ... >_>
13:42.04Pzykmaybe a little pre-emptive
13:42.23Pzykwould've liked a translation, but I don't think it would be any better.
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13:44.53laurlythat trout must smell bad its been around more then 10 years now
13:47.58Pzykno way, did he reply again?
13:47.58KirkburnI fear the conversation has ... er ... >_>
13:48.57KirkburnPzyk, the translation of the lyrics was on the page at one time. Didn't really read them, but I didn't really need to having seen the video :/ It had 120 views. Toooootally notable.
13:53.59Hobinheim|worki forgot my password =(
14:02.40KirkburnHobinheim|work, wiki password?
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14:25.20Hobinheim|workKirkburn, yeah, gotta reset it
14:26.58Hobinheim|workso i came back from grenada
14:26.59Hobinheim|worksuper tan
14:27.03Hobinheim|workgot lots of work and life to catch up on
14:27.09Hobinheim|workanything interesting happen in the past week?
14:27.16Hobinheim|worki was away from technology for a while
14:27.25Hobinheim|workit's like moving from gnomeregan to sen'jin
14:30.09KirkburnHobinheim|work, not a massive amount, I'm sure you'll catch up quickly :)
14:30.21KirkburnHad a good time?
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14:34.52Hobinheim|workdid lots of stuf
14:34.59Hobinheim|workgot stung by jellyfish, drank lots of salt water
14:35.02Hobinheim|workwind surfing, snorkling
14:35.05Hobinheim|workjumping from waterfalls
14:35.06Hobinheim|workate food
14:35.08Hobinheim|workmet friends
14:35.53Hobinheim|worki acquired a carribean accent
14:36.01Hobinheim|workso now i'm like 300/300 in Common and Carribean Common
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14:49.00KasoAlterac Vally would have been alot better if it was not an instance ... discuss.
14:53.53Dottedinstanced pvp is by default shit
14:56.18KasoThe point of AV was to move the PVP away from hillsbrad, so the lowbies could quest, if it wasnt instances i would have been a simple matter of the players moving, but the instances the queues etc, really made it something playeds didnt like
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15:00.57Dottedblizz should just copy UTs Assault mode for future BGs
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15:02.15deltron<3 UT
15:02.51Dottedthats what im saying :p
15:03.14deltronI wanna wallhop!
15:03.32Dottedimagine 2 round attack/defend scenario in WoW, would rock
15:03.42Dotteddeltron you can already
15:03.56deltronwell I mean like in UT heh
15:04.39deltronspeaking of UT
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15:04.41Hobinheim|workwarcraft soccer
15:04.46deltronI got a lan party this weekend :D
15:04.49Hobinheim|workis needed
15:05.11deltronthey already have musical chairs in wow
15:06.21laurlygot a weird one for you.
15:06.29laurlywhy cant you go though categories when you arent loged in?
15:07.10laurly<-- didnt know that either until i have been banging my head against the wall the last 2 hours why i cant get the bot to click a link
15:07.25deltronomg this is annoying
15:07.45deltronsome 'private' number keeps on calling me, then hanging up on my cellphone
15:08.17amroblock private numbers
15:08.25deltronchecking to see if I can
15:08.35laurlyprobably someone with phone in pocket with out lock on he will be sorry when he gets the bill :)
15:10.23Hobinheim|workdeltron, i've had that forever
15:10.29deltronthey keep on hanging up on me
15:10.37deltronit's starting to bug me
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15:23.58laurlyhad a co worker once back in the old modem days.  someone kept calling him at 3am every morning for like 2 weeks he tryed contacting the phone company to get who ever it was to stop after 2 months they finaly contacted who ever it was was the pc set up to dial :)
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15:26.17deltronanyone here use o'reilly safari?
15:29.01Hobinheim|worki tried it once. then i remembered i hate reading things online
15:29.05Hobinheim|worki guess if you print them out
15:29.07Hobinheim|workit wouldn't be so bad
15:29.27deltronyeah we have fast printers here at work :P
15:34.05|Pixel|the item database is up and running in europe
15:34.40|Pixel|you may have fun as wel in europe now comparing your items with your friends's :P
15:36.56foxlitparse failure :(
15:37.04foxlit(in message, not on website!)
15:38.05|Pixel|go to the armory, look at one character (say, yours)
15:38.10|Pixel|oh, well
15:38.13|Pixel|they documented it:
15:38.40foxlitNothing wrong with the functionality; it's more the chocie of wrods in <|Pixel|> you may have fun as wel in europe now comparing your items with your friends's :P
15:42.26foxlitHm, interesting
15:43.03foxlitIf you choose "find an upgrade" for any item, that item's row becomes basically unreadable in the listing of all items
15:43.10TecnoBrat|Pixel|, hahaah
15:43.10foxlit(white font on light yellow background = bad)
15:43.41TecnoBratI just read that
15:43.41TecnoBratand I was about to tell you to stop slacking
15:43.48TecnoBratalt-tabbed, and saw you say that
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15:55.31|Pixel|here's the doc
15:56.04TecnoBratwow, thats really slow to Canada, hah
15:56.53|Pixel|you can use instead :P
15:57.08TecnoBratya lol
15:57.48TecnoBrathaha Daliniya < Le Web Team >
16:02.35Kirkburn|Pixel|, I saw some oddness with the tooltips on my housemate's PC with FF (I think the wrong thing showed randomly), but apart from that, lookin' good
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16:03.54KirkburnOh btw, how does the item discovering thing work? Is it worldwide? i.e. will drops seen in the US show up on the EU one
16:05.32TecnoBrathe said the other day it was a whitelist
16:05.43TecnoBratsounds like a very manual thing imo
16:07.36TecnoBratspeaking of which, they are slacking about
16:08.18TecnoBratstill has no shield, chest, bracers, legs
16:14.31|Pixel|Kirkburn: no, it's region-local
16:14.58KirkburnThought it would be. Good thing we have Nihilum :P
16:15.06KirkburnAnd Curse. And 6 of the other top ten guilds.
16:16.27Hobinheim|workgoon skizzle
16:23.21Fisker-you updated teh new armory |Pixel|?
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16:24.54Fisker-btw is the PTR copy up?
16:25.02Fisker-It was down earlier like 4 hours ago
16:25.08Kirkburn :)
16:25.17TecnoBratFisker-, no, it heard you coming
16:26.36TecnoBratso aparantly Nihilum raids with 1 holy priest, 1 feral druid, 5 paladins, 2-3 shadow priests, and 3 resto shamans. 0 resto druids
16:27.07Hobinheim|workbooyah mixed classes
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16:28.05Fisker-obviously TecnoBrat
16:28.19Fisker-paladins are the best healers fortunately
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16:46.32deltronsingle target healer
16:47.20Fisker-oh yeah of course
16:47.31Fisker-i guess that's what the resto shamans and priests are for
16:47.43Fisker-Priests are really good when not spamhealing
16:47.44deltronI'm the only raiding resto shaman
16:48.05Fisker-btw i think i just lost myself a raidspot
16:48.16deltronlol how
16:48.47Fisker-Our classleader said i was a bad healer because i had bad healing performance on 2 Magtheridon runs(The only data he looked at, didn't bother to look at any of my other countless raids) and i was clicking cubes, meaning atleast 30 seconds doing nothing
16:48.55Fisker-So i was in SSC yesterday
16:49.07Fisker-He was nr. 5 on healing and i was nr. 2
16:49.13Fisker-i don't think he liked that
16:49.39Hobinheim|workooo burn
16:49.45Fisker-ingame? :o
16:49.49Fisker-indeed Hobinheim|work :P
16:49.55deltronLOL @ band.jpg
16:50.10Hobinheim|work"This article has weasle words."
16:50.29Fisker-wait |Pixel| did i just lol?
16:50.53Fisker-Pattern: Bracers of Renewed Life
16:51.04Fisker-Why doesn't it show the item you can craft from it? :o
16:53.14Hobinheim|workevery time i look at the armoy i think it's a flash app and not an ajax app
16:53.25Fisker-same shit, different day
16:53.32Fisker-AJAX is really bad when overabused
16:53.48Hobinheim|workninja ajax is the best
16:53.52Hobinheim|workfacebook is pretty tasteful about it
16:53.56Kaydeethreeyay for figuring out transcludes
16:54.31Fisker-wowhead is pretty good at it too imo
16:54.31Fisker-but that's not AJAX i believe
16:54.31Fisker-only something similar
16:54.31Hobinheim|workwhen you don't know a site uses ajax, that's good fuckin ajax
16:55.40[NewsBot]Blizzplanet: World of Warcraft Client Patch 2.1.2 -
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17:05.30zeegdun dun dun
17:06.49Gryphena splash screen.......ooohh ahhhhhh
17:07.32deltronoooh nice
17:07.33deltroninvite :D
17:07.35zeegwe'll be giving out invites to regged members as soon as we polish up some stuff
17:07.50TecnoBratevery member that is registered already?
17:07.59zeegmostly all of the people who are active
17:08.07zeegGryphen: the files section is uber cool :)
17:08.34zeegI'm hoping to start giving out some beta accounts to active users/authors as early as Monday
17:08.46TecnoBratzeeg, how do I make sure I'm active enough? :P
17:08.53deltroni'm a lurker :(
17:08.57zeegif you log in once a week its active enough
17:09.03TecnoBratahh cool
17:11.31TecnoBratso you just like to tease us?! ?
17:11.32Fisker-zeeg are you zinor btw?
17:11.42Fisker-giev tehn :/
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17:19.53deltron <-- whoa
17:19.58deltronhad no idea about that
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17:37.12Kirkburndeltron, :)
17:37.25deltroni gotta find a druid to spawn it heh
17:38.41Kasoa raven mount that cant fly, makes perfect sense
17:38.47Kirkburn1% drop rate so far ><
17:39.14Kasomost of the mounts are 1% drop rate arent they?
17:39.15KirkburnIt's all that armour
17:41.26foxlitThat mount is awesome, though
17:41.39deltrontired of my orange raptor heh
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17:44.26KasoWOW insider is full of crap >.<
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17:49.43Fisker-Old news
17:49.52Fisker-kinda like Boubouille :(
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18:13.45KirkburnDer Untergang ... anyone know it?
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18:22.17deltrongood movie
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18:28.29foxlitHm, I wonder
18:28.43foxlit{{lootbox|Item Name 1|Item Name 2|Item Name 3|...}}
18:31.53Kasosounds doable and a good idea...
18:32.09Hobinheim|workwtf is a lootbox
18:32.22Kasoa box that shows the loot for a boss..?
18:32.41Hobinheim|workmake it look like the box you roll on
18:33.00Hobinheim|worki dunno if templates support like... lists.
18:33.14Hobinheim|worklike an indeterminate number of elements
18:33.41KasoSpeaking of items, do we really need bot US and EU armory on elinks-item ?
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18:34.19Kirkburndeltron, in about 4 hours I shall be watching it :P
18:34.24deltron,2771.0.html <-- damn we were young
18:34.48KirkburnHad been meaning to see it a while ago ... I don't watch enough serious movies :/
18:35.02deltronI don't watch enough movies period :(
18:35.17Kirkburn(So to make up for it I'm going to watch one about Hitler :)
18:35.22Kirkburndeltron, I know the problem
18:35.35GryphenUS and EU may not have the same armory items. And, one is faster than the other depending on your locale im sure.
18:35.38foxlitYou can probably get away with making it recurse
18:35.41KirkburnI need cinema pumped direct to my room :(
18:36.09KirkburnAye, as Gryphen said, the item discovery is locale specific
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18:37.08KasoWell, i know its a pain to mess with elinks-item, but it seems to be alot of space for two links which are essentially the same, couldnt they be merged into one line?
18:37.38Gryphenwe talked about that, i think they should as well, but left that for someone else to mess with
18:37.53Gryphenelink makes new lines, need to tweak things to do it
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18:45.48ClydeJr   do you get redirected or are you getting a blank page?
18:46.47Hobinheim|worki get redirected
18:47.00Hobinheim|workcould you please link an e-mail of this alleged e-links beef
18:48.06ClydeJrthanks Hob
18:48.22Hobinheim|worknp sir
18:48.50Hobinheim|workbtw i still hate playing wow on my mac. the keys are all in the wrong places. apple something doesn't do jiggly
18:49.52Kasowhat keys are in the wrong places?
18:50.17Hobinheim|worki'm training myself to expect the alt key right next to the space bar
18:50.22Hobinheim|workbut on a mac, the apple key is there instead
18:50.27Hobinheim|workand option is bound to wow's alt key
18:50.33KasoAh that
18:50.46Hobinheim|worklike if you have a pc go alt 1
18:50.50Hobinheim|workit's like slide thumb one
18:50.54Kasoyah, that annoys me when i use PCs nowadays :>
18:50.59Hobinheim|workbut on a mac, the slide is a little more distant
18:51.01Kaso(i use a PC but with a mac keyboard)
18:51.10Hobinheim|workso i don't feel as ninja/deadly when i play on my mac
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18:56.03Hobinheim|workyou wtf
18:56.08Hobinheim|workuse a pc w/ a mac keyboard, haha
18:56.12Hobinheim|workwhat does the apple key bind to?
19:00.29KasoWindows key / super
19:00.59KasoAlot of the markings on the keys dont match up with what they do, but to be honest it doesnt bother me
19:01.11KasoI like the "feel" of the keypress on apple keyboars
19:01.25Kasoand their weight makes it pretty stable on the table.
19:01.53BoubouilleHey [NewsBot], how come you paste blizzplanet news here and not mine ?
19:02.01Boubouillecan you explain that ? CAN YOU ?
19:03.28KasoWhat linux likes to call the windows key
19:03.45Hobinheim|worki was gonna say, is that the new name for the next aux key
19:03.50Hobinheim|worklike Function or HYPAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!
19:03.57KirkburnY'know you can buy many varieties of Windows keyboards, right, Kaso? :P
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19:04.16KasoI have yet to find one as high quality as the mac keyboard
19:04.46KirkburnThat's fair, just teasing :P
19:04.51Hobinheim|workwtf is wtf is a hybrid
19:04.52KirkburnAnyone else got/tried a G15 btw?
19:04.53KasoBoubouille, every time i read about eve i want to play it more, but i fear i'll be drawn in
19:04.57Hobinheim|worka hybrid is a druid, shaman, or pally
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19:05.03KirkburnHobinheim|work, I don't Hobinheim|work, I don't know.
19:05.05BoubouilleKaso : try it
19:05.12Boubouilleit usually takes 2 days to realize that it sucks
19:05.42Kirkburn~seen sancus
19:06.12infobotsancus <> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 14d 20h 45m 29s ago, saying: 'probably :P'.
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19:06.37KirkburnIf he were around, he'd throttle Boubouille for such comments ^^
19:07.51BoubouilleI've got 4 eve online accounts
19:07.55BoubouilleI know what I'm talking about :p
19:08.38KirkburnAnd on your right, you can see Boubouille, our resident sado-masochist.
19:08.42KasoKirkburn, i cant say ive ever tried a G15, dont really fancy spending 70 squid, but from the looks of it its just a normlish Logitech keyboard with all the fancy macro crap bolted on, the reason i love the mac is the feel and quality in the build of the actual keys, simple things but the quality shows
19:09.19Kasooh and: "Beeroshima"  --->
19:09.26KirkburnAnd on your left, we have Kaso, our resident delusional madman .... <_<
19:09.40Kasodelusional about which part?
19:10.13KirkburnG15 isn't £70 :/
19:10.17KirkburnEven I wouldn't pay that much
19:10.24Kasotis on amazon
19:10.36KirkburnHaving a backlit keyboard is godsend though
19:10.59KirkburnI don't actually use the macro keys >_<
19:11.28laurlymust admit the kbd on the power book with the back lighting looks kewl
19:11.59laurlyi just cant take the 1 button mouse
19:12.38Kasoyah, apple really are a bit silly for sticking with that for so long
19:12.38KirkburnA mouse must have at least 7 buttons, a tilting scroll wheel and a battery indicator, or it's crap
19:12.50Kasolike 90% of apple programs use right click anyway
19:13.01KirkburnOh, and a zoom switch
19:13.18KirkburnAlso, a microgear so you can "unlock" your scroll wheel
19:13.51Kirkburn(yes, I just described one of my mice)
19:14.49Kirkburn|afk3.5 hrsa left on Der Untergang
19:14.54Kirkburn|afkI want Hitler, now :(
19:15.55Fisker-Quickly Kirkburn|afk, give me that bucket of bum sperm
19:17.08KasoDer Untergang
19:17.12Kasothe fall ?
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19:17.23Kirkburn|afk"Downfall" was the UK release name
19:17.31Fisker-Kirkburn|afk *boom*
19:21.16Fisker- <-for reference btw :P
19:26.39Adyshey vlad_
19:26.56Adysand can we merge the US and EU armory links into one?
19:27.26Kirkburn|afkAdys, already said "<Gry.phen> we talked about that, i think they should as well, but left that for someone else to mess with"
19:27.37Adysnot in that way
19:27.40Kirkburn|afkSo, yeah, if they can be made into one line, would be useful
19:27.45Adys* [http://usarmory?=12345 US] / [http://euarmory?=12345 EU]
19:27.50Hobinheim|workAmory (US - UK) ?
19:27.51vlad_I hate freenode
19:28.01Kirkburn|afkAdys, exactly :P
19:28.07vlad_no idea if people are seeing my msg's or not
19:28.54Kasomore like
19:29.05Kasowait, no never mind
19:31.10Adysvlad_: leave and rejoin the chan, if you get auto op'd they should see your msgs
19:34.12Kirkburn|afkNah, I was just ignoring vlad_, duh :P
19:34.56vlad_yeah, not you, other people on the network :)
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19:49.16Hobinheim|workwe should have an editing party
19:49.25Hobinheim|workevery time you see a heading with an extra caps in it, you take a drink
19:49.33Hobinheim|workevery time to see a misspelled word, you take a drink
19:49.42Hobinheim|workevery time there's a link, you take a drink
19:50.00Kirkburn|afkEvery time you see the letter "e", you take a drink
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21:23.20Bagginswwjudging by his appearance I'd think he's probably more of an Abyssal than an infernal
21:23.37BagginswwHe has the more jagged appearance of abyssals
21:24.16Bagginswwyep, and he drops Abyssal named items
21:24.20BagginswwAbyssal Lord
21:24.25Bagginswwok fixing it
21:25.08KasoWait, abyssal, is that connected to the silithus crap?
21:30.48Bagginswwdon't think so
21:31.02BagginswwIts just the name of the more jagged infernal type creatures
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21:33.52KasoDarn, got all excited there
21:34.16KasoI think the abyssal high council thing in silithus was interesting and i wish it went futher
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21:40.14Bagginswwprobably have to wait for an elemental plane expansion, ;)
21:40.35Fisker-well is supremus an abyssal? :P
21:40.48Fisker-Abyssals and Infernals are part of the burning legion after all
21:41.02Bagginswwwell he uses parts of the abyssal model ya
21:41.03Fisker-and the blue fire isn't that normal for burning legion elementals
21:41.08Kasoprob the reason why i liked it was to do with the amount i spend grinding that good forsaken place.
21:41.12Fisker-of course
21:41.27Bagginswwand he drops items with the ter "abyssal" connected to them
21:41.27Fisker-question is wether or not they used it because it was an abyssal or if it was because of art constraints
21:41.33Fisker-ah ok
21:41.39Fisker-plot hole!1
21:42.22BagginswwWell he's technically an Illidari demon
21:42.33Bagginswwthose that left the legion to join Illidan
21:43.10KasoAbyssals have more elemental qualities to them than standard infernals
21:43.19Kasoso perhaps they are some sort of hybrid...
21:43.50Bagginswwwell besides abyssals made with more jagged materials they are both kinda of firey
21:43.53Fisker-Well Illidan doesn't really have any demon allies, well besides for apparently supremus?
21:44.02Bagginswwactually quite a few
21:44.11Bagginswwthere is the guy on netherwing ledge
21:44.16Bagginswwa man'ari eredar
21:44.25Kaydeethreeand the shivarra in front of the minds
21:44.50Bagginswwplus those being summoned by Illidari on the black temple
21:44.58BagginswwI hear there are all kinds of demons in the black temple
21:45.05Fisker-yeah there is
21:45.10Fisker-atleast when you go towards Illidan
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21:45.58BagginswwThere is another eredar over at Illidari Point IIRC
21:46.18Bagginswwseveral of the quests in shadowmoon refer to the "illidari demons" and explains their reasons for joining illidan
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21:47.11Bagginswwonly thing that's unclear is what happened to kil'jaeden?
21:47.11Fisker-what there's other text than the "accept" button?
21:47.21Jeremy2020I just saw a commercial that the entirety of it was some guy saying "Try wrestling with a newly castrated bull. Try Power C"
21:47.30[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 6,221
21:47.32Fisker-Although if i remember correctly isn't the "Battle of the crimson watch" quest also a quest explaining something about the demons?
21:48.34BagginswwI think so, also many demons spawn during it
21:48.59Fisker-this weather is horrible btw
21:49.02Bagginswwincluding one of our beholder/floating eye friends :)
21:49.08Fisker-it's midnight and i'm still sweating :/
21:50.51Bagginswwbah mulverick is still bugged, he's fading in an out of existence and appears to be out of phase, i'm seeing double
21:54.00BagginswwI'd love to see an onyxia sized dragon flying around outside somewhere LOL
21:54.11TecnoBratthere is one
21:54.15Adysi merged the US and EU links
21:54.29AdysBagginsww: my server got that too
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21:55.02Kaydeethreebaggins; that happens all the time, and chill out by mor'ghor on occasion and watch the script event
21:55.07Fordprefect__oh, HB Adys
21:55.13Adysthanks hun :>
21:55.41Adysyou still had 5 more mins to say that!
21:55.54Fordprefect__was busy buying a blessings deck ;)
21:56.07Kaydeethreeick. how much did that set you back?
21:56.11Fordprefect__1950G :P
21:56.24Adysthats alot
21:56.30Bagginswwyou mean the one with sinestra?
21:56.31Kaydeethreemeh, about the same as on medivh
21:56.55Kaydeethreethere's also the big black drakes that aggro when someone messes with their eggs in BEM
21:56.56Bagginswwtoo bad she insn't onyxia sized, :)
21:57.02Kaydeethreeshe's close, isn't she?
21:57.06Bagginswwnot even
21:57.08Kaydeethreehaven't done ony in a while
21:57.13Bagginsww1/4 the size maybe
21:57.36Bagginswwthe size of ony when she appears in the throne room in stormwind
21:58.17FPrefectthe old version was decidedly too long ;)
21:59.59BagginswwI've fought terribus
22:00.11Bagginswwya he's pretty big
22:00.35BagginswwI was just saying that it would be cool to see a black dragon that size fly around for eye candy lol
22:00.37TecnoBratmaybe not quite as big as ony
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22:18.40Dottedgz Adys
22:24.15[NewsBot]WOW Insider:
22:28.20laurlyLOL kaso
22:28.47KasoThis is no laughing matter i want my cauldron!
22:28.53laurlydoes seam a bit weird but are there any encounters where you would need a shit load of holy protection potions?
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22:29.48Kasoprob not, but i dont think thats good enough reason to lack it
22:30.13laurlyyou shadow or holy spec?
22:30.38Kasoshadow atm, but im not really playing
22:31.03KasoHoly priests are a thing of the past till they give shadow the nerf it needs, and holy a stupendous buff
22:31.37laurlygot my first pice of tear 4 armor yesterday pants off gruul
22:32.25laurlyi shadow heal almost as much as the rest of the real healers and out damaged all the casters
22:36.12Kasohence shadow priests need a big ol' nerf
22:38.24laurlyna what fun would that be :)
22:38.47laurlystill need a biger mana pool 10k+ mana isnt enough.
22:39.02laurlyi can farm endlessly with my lock never have to stop shadow priest runs out of mana to much
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22:43.28laurlyhave a note on mine to. No more 12am+ edits for me :)
23:01.31Adysnow you know how gruul has sons
23:02.31Kaydeethreegah. I've seen that image way too much the past 7 days. still funny
23:03.52KasoWho is his wife?
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23:33.22BagginswwI didn't say it :p
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23:34.23Kasohow could you let that thottbot link remain!
23:34.55Bagginswwhuh? I was just adding the info.
23:35.06Bagginswwadding new info
23:36.12Kasowell edit out the link in the line below!
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23:39.05Bagginswwyou can do that...
23:39.19Bagginswwits a public wiki :p
23:39.29Kasoi know
23:39.31Skosiris@seen Teomyr
23:39.32Kasobut im lazy!
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23:42.29KasoClefthoofs and kodos are supposed to be related, yet clefthoofs have hoofs, and kodos have feet with toes.
23:42.53Bagginswwso ya with the old gods apparently trying to conquer the universe, and titans apparently seeding and shaping the universe... and the similar race/species shared by both Azeroth and Outland, I think its safe to assume that both plants were probably seeded by Titans :p
23:43.42Kasobut their feet! theyre different!
23:43.51BagginswwKaso, true, although I point to Eredar, and Wrathguards, :p
23:44.13BagginswwWrathguards have feet with toes, and Eredar have hooves, and boht are from the Eredar species...
23:44.21Kasohmm, that is true indeed
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23:44.40Kasoi think theres some kind of conspiracy going on!
23:44.40BagginswwIts fantasy, biology need not apply LOL
23:44.52Bagginswwthis isn't science fiction
23:45.00Jeremy2020 <--explanation of kodo toes
23:45.00Bagginswwalthough its getting close LOL
23:45.03Bagginswwat least steampunkish
23:45.42Bagginswwever heard of what is it called pedodactylia
23:45.53Bagginswwmy spelling is off
23:46.07Bagginswwbut its basically fused digits.
23:46.15Bagginswwin feet and hands
23:46.24Bagginswwoften look like claws
23:47.19Kasopterodactyl ?
23:52.46Skosirislol @
23:52.46KasoI guess that makes sense
23:52.46Bagginswwor soething like that
23:52.46SkosirisOP says:  "And don't mention WoWHead, the interface is completely clunky and annoying. Firefox is another example of "look at me, I'm unique and use something different than the masses. No, just no. The interface, while very similar to IE, is still slightly more annoying. What does Firefox have that IE doesn't? "
23:52.46KasoSkosiris, are you going on a datamining frenzy with all this sweet sweet info on the new armory then?
23:52.47zeegI dont agree with Thottbot over Wowhead at all
23:52.47zeegnow if it was like wowhead vs armory
23:52.47zeegthey're different kinds of sites
23:52.47Bagginswwso someone link me to a site showing hte new zul'aman images, please please?
23:53.20foxlit"Actually, I gave up on Thottbot back when it was telling me that I could disenchant a red linen bag into a loaf of bread and that Azuregos could occasionally be found in Darnassus. "
23:53.55foxlitI wonder if you can, actually
23:55.16zeegi gave up when it had german data mixed w/ english :p
23:56.48Bagginswwzarnks again
23:57.06BagginswwHe' snot understanding the fact that "horde" quest is highly horde biased
23:57.46foxlitI used it up to IE7 with wowhead integration was easier than anything

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