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| 00:07.21 | Kitan | hello |
| 00:07.43 | Kitan | is kirkburn around? |
| 00:08.49 | Kitan | can i get KitanBot flagged as a bot please? |
| 00:20.01 | Adys | i think kirk is sleeping |
| 00:22.08 | Bleeter | yup, his nick ain't Kirkburn|afk, so he's afk ;) |
| 00:28.25 | Adys | Kirkburn: beep |
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| 00:47.05 | Kitan | so I should wait then Adys? |
| 00:47.16 | Adys | no other solution :P |
| 00:47.27 | Kitan | oh ok... wasn't sure if he was the only one who could update it or not :) |
| 00:47.32 | Kitan | I have to finish the threading anyway |
| 00:47.43 | Adys | aye, him and fandy |
| 00:47.46 | Adys | but fandy's inactive |
| 00:48.12 | Kitan | ahh |
| 00:48.13 | Kitan | ok |
| 00:48.33 | Kitan | while I have you hear then |
| 00:48.35 | Kitan | here rather |
| 00:48.45 | Kitan | is there a special page that lists all the pages that use a template? |
| 00:52.53 | Adys | Whatlinksthere does that |
| 00:53.04 | Adys | look for "(inclusion)" |
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| 00:53.21 | Adys | btw if im not answering just say my nick |
| 00:53.30 | Kitan | can I spam it annoyingly? |
| 00:53.36 | Adys | nope |
| 00:53.39 | Kitan | are you using xchat as well? |
| 00:53.43 | Adys | miranda |
| 00:53.45 | Kitan | ahh |
| 00:54.21 | Kitan | I am close to letting it go lose. The implementation allows for me to just work on the wiki text updates without messing with the crawler |
| 00:54.34 | Kitan | lose == Loose |
| 00:54.35 | Adys | wait for it to be flagged as bot |
| 00:54.42 | Kitan | I will |
| 00:54.44 | Kitan | of course. :) |
| 00:54.58 | Kitan | I still want to run it on it's sandbox to be sure that it ignores pages as specified etc etc |
| 00:55.29 | Adys | btw if you feel like it you can publish the source code of your bot somewhere |
| 00:55.32 | Adys | you dont have to ofc |
| 00:55.37 | Kitan | ok |
| 00:55.57 | Adys | its seriously nice having people willing to work out this stuff btw |
| 00:56.00 | Kitan | the way it is written I could drop the .Net assemblies down and then others can just write their own .Net assemblies |
| 00:56.01 | Adys | gets stuff done MUCH faster |
| 00:56.16 | Kitan | I will put it all on my Bot page when I get it where I want |
| 00:56.23 | Kitan | then you all can decide if you want to release it that way |
| 00:57.25 | Kitan | having problems getting to wowwiki |
| 00:57.25 | Adys | same |
| 00:57.25 | Adys | oh well |
| 00:57.25 | Adys | btw kitan |
| 00:57.26 | Adys | EU or US? |
| 00:57.28 | Kitan | US |
| 00:57.32 | Adys | ok |
| 00:57.34 | Adys | im off to bed then |
| 00:57.38 | Kitan | ok later |
| 00:57.38 | Adys | ill fix the rest tmorrow |
| 00:57.41 | Adys | nn peeps |
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| 02:36.58 | winkiller | argh., slowwiki again |
| 02:37.04 | winkiller | every 4th reload yields a page |
| 02:37.06 | winkiller | damn americans |
| 03:03.08 | winkiller | any admin here? |
| 03:03.22 | winkiller | there's a German server "Festung der Stürme" |
| 03:03.28 | winkiller | how should it be called? |
| 03:03.47 | winkiller | I see: Confrerie_du_Thorium as pagename for Confrérie |
| 03:04.01 | winkiller | but Sturme is not exactly possible |
| 03:08.27 | winkiller | I called the link Festung_der_Stuerme for now |
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| 08:53.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Morning |
| 08:54.10 | JFitz | Morning |
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| 08:59.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys! |
| 08:59.37 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: ! |
| 08:59.45 | Adys | What is? |
| 09:00.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Nothing, just got pinged a lot last night apparently |
| 09:00.07 | Adys | ah aye |
| 09:00.12 | Adys | Kitan wanted his bot promoted |
| 09:00.19 | Adys | KitanBot i think |
| 09:00.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Checked it out? |
| 09:00.31 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:KitanBot |
| 09:02.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Shall want to see it in action first :) |
| 09:03.16 | Adys | He was testing out stuff in sandbox, i told him to wait for the bot tag to do the edit stuff |
| 09:03.43 | Kirkburn|afk | I had a look at the sandbox stuff, not seeing exactly what it should be doing tbh |
| 09:04.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Fixing quality template? |
| 09:04.15 | Adys | think so |
| 09:04.20 | Adys | btw |
| 09:04.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Will wait until I can talk to him here |
| 09:04.36 | Adys | unrelated, but how do i align something to the right with <span> ? |
| 09:04.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Text? |
| 09:04.46 | Adys | y |
| 09:04.57 | Kirkburn|afk | text-align:right I think |
| 09:05.01 | Adys | ta |
| 09:05.12 | Adys | (even tho I HAVE NO CLUE WHAT TA STANDS FOR but whatever) |
| 09:05.15 | Kirkburn|afk | (style="text-align:right") |
| 09:05.23 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 09:06.28 | Adys | hm |
| 09:06.38 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bot wanted to move the contribs link to the right |
| 09:07.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah probably easiest there would to float:right |
| 09:07.51 | Adys | mmkay |
| 09:08.04 | Kirkburn|afk | and float the rest of the line left |
| 09:09.13 | Adys | like now? |
| 09:09.18 | Kirkburn|afk | The reason why align:right won't work is because the span has nothing to align:right too. Atm that span is just like a box around the text [contrib]. If the box had a big width, /then/ it would go to the right of that box. |
| 09:09.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 09:09.52 | Adys | i see |
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| 09:34.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Having posted in the SoL community for a few days, they have some pretty interesting discussions |
| 09:37.23 | Kirkburn|afk | (SoL = Scrolls of Lore) |
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| 09:44.46 | Adys | they do |
| 09:44.53 | Adys | and they also got some pretty "weird" members |
| 09:45.01 | Kirkburn|afk | heh, yeah |
| 09:45.14 | Adys | a vocal minority |
| 09:52.12 | Adys | btw Kirkburn|afk |
| 09:52.35 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Spells_by_ID - Hobinbot moved all the Template:Spell to Spell: |
| 09:53.13 | Adys | We gonna have to get the tooltipcss thing sorted |
| 09:57.14 | Adys | Did you know it of the day.. |
| 09:57.46 | Adys | to have the maximum of slots currently disponible in game, you would need 11 20-slotters |
| 09:57.56 | Adys | the only 20-slotter in game is the primal mooncloth bag |
| 09:58.12 | Adys | to make one, you need 4 netherweb spider silk and 8 primal mooncloth |
| 09:58.39 | Adys | To make one primal mooncloth, you need 1 bolt of imbued netherweave, 1 primal life, 1 primal water |
| 09:59.20 | Adys | To make one bolt of imbued netherweave you need 3 bolts of netherweave and 2 arcane dust |
| 09:59.36 | Adys | to make 1 bolt of netherweave you need 6 netherweave cloth |
| 09:59.45 | Adys | the primal mooncloth transmute is on a 4 days cooldown |
| 09:59.52 | Adys | So in short... |
| 10:00.19 | JunkHead-Work | I'm just gonna give a tailor friend a whole bunch of netherweave and have him make me some 16 slot bags. |
| 10:00.48 | Adys | you would need 110 motes of life, 110 motes of water, 220 arcane dust, 1980 netherweave cloth and 352 days worth of cooldown |
| 10:02.52 | Adys | Oh and 44 netherweb spider silk |
| 10:03.52 | Adys | No wait |
| 10:04.20 | winkiller | isn't there a page of world first kills, etc? |
| 10:04.26 | Adys | wait that cant be right..; |
| 10:04.30 | Adys | no clue, winkiller |
| 10:04.50 | winkiller | can't find anything erxcept on boss pages |
| 10:06.05 | winkiller | may I point anyone to http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Names_of_Servers.2Fbattlegroups_in_foreign_languages |
| 10:14.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Redirects are fine |
| 10:15.10 | Kirkburn|afk | The name should be that which germans will type |
| 10:15.30 | Kirkburn|afk | (same for french stuff) |
| 10:16.17 | Kirkburn|afk | If someone wants to add that, I'm off to buy some breakfast |
| 10:17.27 | winkiller | ok. will fix then |
| 10:33.51 | Adys | Kirk |
| 10:33.53 | Adys | bah |
| 10:34.09 | winkiller | oh, another one: there's http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Un'goro_Europe - but it should be Un'Goro - according to Bliozzards website |
| 10:34.31 | winkiller | should I redirect it to the new one and copy content over? |
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| 10:38.39 | Adys | how you mean winkiller |
| 10:38.49 | Adys | it is un'goro |
| 10:38.51 | winkiller | the article is incorrectly named |
| 10:38.55 | winkiller | Un'goro |
| 10:39.03 | Adys | Oh |
| 10:39.05 | Adys | uhm |
| 10:39.05 | winkiller | Blizzards Realm Page says Un'Goro |
| 10:39.15 | Adys | I don't know about this |
| 10:39.25 | Adys | is there a Zul'Gurub/Zul'Farrak or something realm around? |
| 10:39.50 | Adys | I think it should be Un'Goro aye |
| 10:40.05 | winkiller | well Vek'lor is the right spelling |
| 10:40.09 | winkiller | and so is Kel'Thuzad |
| 10:40.13 | JunkHead-Work | http://www.worldofwar.net/realmstatus/ |
| 10:40.15 | winkiller | depends on the name :) |
| 10:40.18 | JunkHead-Work | List of servers. |
| 10:40.24 | *** topic/#wowwiki by Kirkburn -> Channel info: tinyurl.com/36u82j | RC list: tinyurl.com/2oawam | UI questions? Join #wowi-lounge | 2.0.12 notes: tinyurl.com/3eykwu | RIP MeoWWiki. :( |
| 10:40.31 | winkiller | I prefer wow-europe.com :) |
| 10:40.48 | Adys | Kirkburn |
| 10:40.56 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Warcraft:_Heroes_of_Azeroth - whats the source? |
| 10:40.58 | Kirkburn | Use the in-game list name :) |
| 10:41.06 | winkiller | ok |
| 10:41.09 | Kirkburn | What's the source? Blizz.com |
| 10:41.18 | Adys | oh, right |
| 10:41.52 | Kirkburn | It's still on Blizzard.co.uk |
| 10:43.37 | Adys | http://www.blizzard.com/whoa/ aye found it |
| 10:43.47 | Kirkburn | God you're slow :) |
| 10:44.09 | Kirkburn | To the shops! |
| 10:46.36 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Pugz_R_Us&limit=500&action=history talk about rc spam |
| 10:46.54 | Adys | this guy managed within 3 hours 60 edits on the *same* page :/ |
| 10:47.25 | Teomyr | lol |
| 10:48.51 | Teomyr | and it's so... informative |
| 10:49.19 | Adys | aint it |
| 10:49.59 | Teomyr | how can you do so many changes to 10 lines of wiki markup? |
| 10:50.11 | Adys | And still have a half broken page :P |
| 10:50.18 | Teomyr | :D |
| 10:51.11 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User%3APugz_R_Us&diff=569070&oldid=568965 |
| 10:51.18 | Adys | the difference beetween the first and last edit |
| 10:51.26 | Adys | it took him 50 edits to do that change, come on. |
| 10:51.38 | Adys | seriously, what the hell |
| 10:51.54 | Teomyr | lol |
| 10:59.00 | Kowi | maybe he doesnt know how to preview the page :p |
| 11:00.24 | Adys | Lol, techsupport is being very strict and ordered |
| 11:00.25 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=11079&sid=1 |
| 11:00.29 | Adys | check the stickies |
| 11:02.33 | Kirkburn|afk | "______End of stickies_____" |
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| 11:08.04 | Adys | hahaha |
| 11:08.05 | Adys | aye |
| 11:12.19 | winkiller | I guess there's no server boilerplate? |
| 11:12.42 | winkiller | no that they add servers on a daily basis |
| 11:20.35 | winkiller | woohoo, finished! |
| 11:20.53 | winkiller | 2 battlegroups incl. server pages and redirects for non-ascii |
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| 11:22.49 | JunkHead-Work | Anyone ever have this problem? You go looking at players' UI screenshots for ideas, and never seen anything you like? Or more specifically, nothing as nice as what you already have? |
| 11:23.02 | winkiller | lol, all the time, yea |
| 11:23.16 | JunkHead-Work | It's like... I'd like to change mine up a bit. |
| 11:23.29 | JunkHead-Work | And I saw a couple things in various screenshots I'd like to see if I can do. |
| 11:23.34 | JunkHead-Work | But it's nothing major. |
| 11:24.24 | JunkHead-Work | And 80% of the time, you see someone's UI and think, "How the hell do they play with that?" |
| 11:24.41 | winkiller | 90% |
| 11:25.03 | JunkHead-Work | Fine. 90 %. So much for being lenient. |
| 11:25.29 | JunkHead-Work | Lenient... Leniant? |
| 11:25.37 | winkiller | 160 edits, and 43 of them today. wth |
| 11:25.41 | winkiller | lenient, yea |
| 11:25.46 | JunkHead-Work | Ok cool. |
| 11:25.57 | winkiller | well, can't help you :) I'm changing mine every fewmonths |
| 11:26.17 | JunkHead-Work | I like how some have thier group members in the lower left hand corner. |
| 11:26.23 | JunkHead-Work | As opposed to top left. |
| 11:26.30 | winkiller | also done that recently |
| 11:26.48 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=269577298&postId=2693531477&sid=1 |
| 11:26.52 | Adys | anyone ever had this problem? |
| 11:26.53 | JunkHead-Work | And since Lower lef tis where my raid members go, and being in a raid hides party.. that'd work out great. |
| 11:26.55 | winkiller | I have no clue how I could play 18 months with portraits left top not, middle vbottom |
| 11:27.59 | JunkHead-Work | Adys - No. |
| 11:28.16 | Adys | bah |
| 11:28.27 | winkiller | weird |
| 11:28.33 | Adys | ive been trying since months to find someone who had something similar |
| 11:28.49 | Adys | yet im sure blizzard knows about it because it quite changed during every patch released |
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| 11:37.57 | Kirkburn | Adys, what drivers are you using? |
| 11:38.08 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Teomyr_] by Adys |
| 11:38.13 | Adys | im not really sure :P |
| 11:38.45 | Adys | lets see the comp |
| 11:39.01 | Kirkburn | I'm sure I asked this before anyway |
| 11:39.13 | Kirkburn | What gfx card do you have again? |
| 11:39.14 | Adys | Intel Core2 CPU 6600 2.40GHz, 1gb RAM |
| 11:39.19 | Calmcacil | blizzard should make armory a little... smoother |
| 11:39.22 | Adys | Graphic card Sapphire radeon X1600 XT |
| 11:39.29 | Adys | no kidding Calmcacil |
| 11:39.35 | Kirkburn | When did you last update your ATi drivers? |
| 11:39.44 | Calmcacil | works smoothly in Firefox tho |
| 11:39.49 | Adys | their whole website is very slow |
| 11:39.57 | Kirkburn | IE doesn't have the best rendering engine atm |
| 11:39.57 | Adys | Kirkburn: couple of weeks ago |
| 11:40.00 | Calmcacil | would be cool with a forum signature thingie together with armory |
| 11:40.09 | Adys | you can do that |
| 11:40.20 | Adys | everything is in the xmls |
| 11:40.42 | Calmcacil | :P easier then :p |
| 11:41.36 | Calmcacil | i want like a small picture with a little info and i think that wouldnt hurt blizzard to add :P |
| 11:42.19 | JunkHead-Work | There is already a sig generator for armory links. |
| 11:42.29 | Calmcacil | :o where |
| 11:42.39 | JunkHead-Work | Hmm... Let me see if I can find where ti wa.s |
| 11:44.28 | JunkHead-Work | http://siggen.xembler.org/ |
| 11:44.44 | JunkHead-Work | Not sure if that's what you'd want. |
| 11:46.29 | JunkHead-Work | http://wowroster.net/Downloads/details/id=20.html |
| 11:46.32 | JunkHead-Work | or this maybe. |
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| 11:58.56 | Adys | lol |
| 11:59.00 | Adys | an original hacker |
| 11:59.03 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:59.04 | Adys | trol from my account if possible. |
| 12:03.20 | JunkHead-Work | Why is it that Australians seem to complain every single tuesday about downtime like it's never happened before? |
| 12:03.42 | Bibi | because that's the only thing they have to do, it's prime time. |
| 12:03.58 | JunkHead-Work | I understand that the timing sucks for them. |
| 12:04.12 | JunkHead-Work | But why do they act as if it hasn't been like this for over a year? |
| 12:04.18 | JunkHead-Work | Like.. they just now noticed? |
| 12:04.20 | Bibi | Hope my friend ! Hope ! |
| 12:04.39 | Bibi | chances to change it are higher if you keep crying about it |
| 12:05.08 | JunkHead-Work | I just wish there was button beside each post in the forums. |
| 12:05.25 | JunkHead-Work | And if you pushed that button, that person got electrocuted or something. |
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| 12:05.59 | Bibi | it would kill too many community managers. :/ |
| 12:06.17 | JunkHead-Work | If you wanna make an omelet.... |
| 12:06.29 | Bibi | you need mushrooms. |
| 12:06.32 | amro | you'll have to kill CMs |
| 12:06.43 | JunkHead-Work | And the forums are crawling with fungus. |
| 12:07.14 | amro | more importantly, I wish there was a button you could use to electrocute anyone |
| 12:07.31 | amro | over the internet |
| 12:07.48 | JunkHead-Work | That would be handy. |
| 12:08.25 | Bibi | Error loading stylesheet: (null)http://www.wow-europe.com/en/new-hp/layout/layout.xsl |
| 12:08.34 | Bibi | Blizzard Europe really needs money :/ |
| 12:08.52 | amro | i think money is the last thing they really 'need' right now |
| 12:09.15 | amro | money tends to come easily when you run the most popular MMORPG in the world |
| 12:09.17 | Bibi | You always need money. |
| 12:09.26 | Bibi | http://i14.tinypic.com/331hco9.jpg always ! |
| 12:11.33 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: you gotta see http://www.foxwild.org/media/images/emo.jpg :P |
| 12:16.04 | Kirkburn | Bibi, is that PitBull? |
| 12:16.31 | Kirkburn | Bleeter, I often check the cat websites for the new ones, gotta love that one though :) |
| 12:17.03 | Bibi | Kirkburn : Pitbull with nearly no changes to the default settings yeah :p |
| 12:17.30 | Kirkburn | Methinks I may have to switch to it, especially since ag has essentially given his approval |
| 12:18.24 | Bibi | well it looks nice, but i didn't have time to tweak it |
| 12:18.46 | Bibi | but you can do whatever you want with it |
| 12:19.29 | Kirkburn | Did you use agUF before? |
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| 12:22.08 | Bibi | yes a little, but i didn't play that much since BC |
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| 12:23.48 | JunkHead-Work | I really like the way AG UF looks. |
| 12:23.59 | JunkHead-Work | The appearance is a lot nicer than X-Perl. |
| 12:24.14 | JunkHead-Work | I will download it on my second PC to see how I like it. |
| 12:25.52 | JunkHead-Work | Does AG_UF come with Raid features and such like X-Perl does? |
| 12:28.47 | Kirkburn | Not sure |
| 12:28.47 | Kirkburn | PitBull is very similar to agUF and is currently under heavy development |
| 12:30.29 | JunkHead-Work | I just like how X-perl has everything all in one. |
| 12:30.40 | JunkHead-Work | I prefer it's raid frames to others. |
| 12:44.20 | Kirkburn | Yay! Freelander is working on my Vista install |
| 12:44.24 | Kirkburn | *Freelancer |
| 12:50.13 | Adys | http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=37857 |
| 12:50.20 | Adys | hunter soloing azuregos, no kiting :/ |
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| 12:50.44 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Mikk] by ChanServ |
| 12:50.50 | Mikk | \o/ |
| 12:50.57 | Adys | Lo mikk :) |
| 12:51.03 | Mikk | Hullo =) |
| 12:51.26 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+v Kaso|] by Adys |
| 12:54.23 | Kirkburn | Jesus H Christ! |
| 12:54.33 | Mikk | Meow? |
| 12:54.40 | Kirkburn | Meow meow :) |
| 12:54.49 | Mikk | ok umm i'm gonna set you as primary contact in chanserv now |
| 12:54.58 | Mikk | i have no idea if i'm killing my own access by doing that tho =) |
| 12:55.05 | Kirkburn | Me neither |
| 12:55.10 | Kirkburn | But you're never here anyway :( |
| 12:55.31 | Kirkburn | Still tanking Kara? |
| 12:55.38 | Kirkburn | Sorry, I mean, Catazhan |
| 12:55.45 | Mikk | oh hrm.. you're primary now |
| 12:55.53 | Mikk | but it complains that i can't set the alternate to myself |
| 12:56.00 | Mikk | must have some sort of lock to me still? o.O |
| 12:56.07 | Mikk | ok hrm who do i set the alternate to |
| 12:56.17 | Mikk | Ms. Cat here? =) |
| 12:56.50 | Adys | <- not much clue about irc stuff sorry :/ |
| 12:58.24 | Kirkburn | Weird, so it says it needs contact access |
| 12:58.24 | Mikk | And yeah, I r tanking shit all over the place... Tho i feel a bit shafted by blizz... Suddenly warriors have more HP than bears, and nearly the same armor (or near enough to not make a difference). And druids STILL don't have a way to avoid crushing blows. |
| 12:58.33 | Mikk | "identify #wowwiki" |
| 12:58.36 | Kirkburn | Except according to the info, I'm the contact |
| 12:58.51 | Kirkburn | zomg |
| 12:58.55 | Kirkburn | That worked :) |
| 12:59.03 | Mikk | there's an optional password behind there too but i never set one |
| 12:59.15 | Mikk | i just let it work off of nickserv auth |
| 12:59.40 | Kirkburn | Mikk, what kind of gear you got? |
| 12:59.59 | Mikk | Mostly blues with shitloads of stam and agi on it |
| 13:00.11 | Mikk | 11k something unbuffed health, 40% unbuffed dodge... 17.5k armor |
| 13:00.42 | Kirkburn | Who else is to be added, I've done Kaso and Teomyr |
| 13:00.48 | Adys | Skosiris |
| 13:00.49 | Mikk | Can get dodge up to 57% something with pots, food, kings n totumz :> |
| 13:01.04 | Adys | infobot? =P |
| 13:01.17 | Adys | thats it methink |
| 13:01.35 | Bibi | oh, Kirkburn is the one making my mIRC sound going crazy. |
| 13:01.38 | Adys | ah and btw |
| 13:01.45 | Adys | Hob is not auto OP'd i think |
| 13:01.54 | Kirkburn | He is, he just doesn't identify |
| 13:02.01 | Adys | ha k |
| 13:02.08 | Kirkburn | Mikk, wow |
| 13:02.19 | Adys | as druid the 57% dodge? |
| 13:02.19 | Mikk | Then i flip the zomgdodge trinket on and hit 72% dodge for 15 seconds |
| 13:02.20 | Mikk | I r Neo |
| 13:02.23 | Mikk | Yeah adys |
| 13:02.25 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 13:02.28 | Adys | Nice lol |
| 13:03.12 | Mikk | But.. yeah.. still get crushed to hell n back by hardhitters like Maul'gar |
| 13:03.19 | Adys | Mikk: http://www.warcraftmovies.com/stream.php?id=37857 |
| 13:03.23 | Mikk | No way in hell to survive a 10k crush + a 10k special attack |
| 13:03.37 | Kirkburn | So how long until you get bored and come back to the wiki? :P |
| 13:03.42 | Mikk | good question ;) |
| 13:04.01 | Mikk | obviously i'm a little bored already cause i've started poking around in stuff again |
| 13:04.05 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 13:04.17 | Bleeter | wtf is this? op central? i'm real afraid now :-s :P |
| 13:04.19 | Kirkburn | Did you like my little April Fools then? |
| 13:04.31 | Kirkburn | Did my level changes spam the channel? |
| 13:04.31 | Mikk | hehe yeah |
| 13:04.35 | Mikk | yes |
| 13:04.51 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I recall turning that option on a long time ago :) |
| 13:05.18 | Kirkburn | Did you see the extra prank I made on Sunday? |
| 13:05.49 | Kirkburn | Looking for a link |
| 13:06.38 | Kirkburn | Mikk, atm, the main thing to do is the FA stuff. Policies and guidelines are all good, got several bots around |
| 13:07.06 | Kirkburn | And ner, ner I'm a bureaucrat |
| 13:07.46 | Kirkburn | How far are you attuned now? |
| 13:08.26 | Kirkburn | Aha, here it is - http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Main_Page&oldid=570081 |
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| 13:10.05 | Mikk | Kirkburn: FA stuff? |
| 13:10.13 | Mikk | (Sorry. FA=First Aid for me atm) |
| 13:10.19 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 13:10.23 | Kirkburn | Featured Article of course |
| 13:10.28 | Mikk | Ah =) |
| 13:10.54 | Mikk | Well auerhmm tbh i'm not gonna get myself involved in that bit |
| 13:10.58 | Kirkburn | Can't keep it as Garona for ever :P |
| 13:11.08 | Mikk | Might start poking around more with API stuff again |
| 13:11.14 | Kirkburn | Nah, s'fine. Good to see you at least :) |
| 13:11.27 | Kirkburn | Alexa ranks us 2,220 now |
| 13:11.32 | Mikk | O.O |
| 13:11.56 | Kirkburn | Way above Memory Alpha (which continues to surprise me) |
| 13:12.31 | Mikk | Cause, well, one thing I've realized about myself and wiki editing. I just cannot stand editing hotly contended topics. The amount of ninnies that pop up and change back to something that's been revered away from 10 times makes me want to scream. |
| 13:12.38 | Mikk | N i can't be arsed with all that aggravation =P |
| 13:12.44 | Mikk | reverted* |
| 13:12.45 | Kirkburn | Same, yeah |
| 13:13.02 | Kirkburn | That's why I just do the Main Page ;) |
| 13:13.48 | Mikk | haha |
| 13:14.11 | Mikk | And re: your comment earlier... OF COURSE all the policies n stuff is good after all teh bloody work i put into them :> |
| 13:14.24 | Mikk | *brag brag* |
| 13:14.53 | Mikk | Anyway... we didn't get CSS access yet did we? |
| 13:15.29 | Bleeter | hah @ gullible |
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| 13:22.15 | Kirkburn | Mikk, nope, no access yet :) |
| 13:22.44 | Mikk | i r not surprised |
| 13:22.55 | Mikk | can't see why he can't just bloody give us ftp access to that folder or something |
| 13:22.57 | Mikk | 5 minutes job |
| 13:23.46 | Kirkburn | We're able to pester sancus for stuff though :P |
| 13:23.50 | Mikk | ? |
| 13:23.56 | Mikk | who's he? =) |
| 13:24.23 | Kirkburn | vlad's friend and co-worker at Mozilla |
| 13:24.24 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: guild naming policy needs resolution |
| 13:24.24 | Adys | A frend of rustak |
| 13:24.29 | Mikk | aaahh |
| 13:24.30 | Mikk | nice |
| 13:25.52 | Mikk | prod him for ftp access? =) |
| 13:26.06 | Mikk | actually... |
| 13:26.25 | Adys | Well it <would> be nice to get the css working |
| 13:26.50 | Mikk | Aye I RE-fixed a bunch of ugly stuff .. oh... in september or something? |
| 13:27.02 | Mikk | shortly after the upgrade anyway |
| 13:27.14 | Adys | Seen the new Mediawiki:Noarticletext ? |
| 13:27.19 | Mikk | Mailed Vlad the changes twice. N poked him a few times :-P |
| 13:27.39 | Mikk | aye it's very purdy |
| 13:27.50 | Adys | it bugs out on certain occasions |
| 13:28.19 | Adys | mostly on complex page names (Namespace:Blah/Blablah) and "deleted" stuff (undelete x edits) |
| 13:28.19 | Kirkburn | Adys, it because the pages show stuff about deleted edits for admins |
| 13:28.24 | Adys | y |
| 13:28.27 | Adys | but not only that |
| 13:28.38 | Adys | im sure ive seen it on Subpages too |
| 13:28.40 | Kirkburn | Oh yeah, subarticles too |
| 13:28.52 | Kirkburn | Not much we can do ... without CSS access :P |
| 13:29.15 | Mikk | why does it have to be so funky with positioning btw? |
| 13:29.34 | Adys | IE7 problems, iirc |
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| 13:30.08 | Mikk | cause when i try to edit noarticletext i can't even see the first few lines of the editbox :> |
| 13:30.17 | Adys | hehe |
| 13:30.34 | Adys | divs ftw |
| 13:30.44 | Kirkburn | If you can improve it, please do :) |
| 13:31.06 | Adys | you think we could do something similar with preferences? :/ |
| 13:31.08 | Kirkburn | iirc, it just attempts to cover the white box |
| 13:31.20 | Kirkburn | Nah, not without CSS |
| 13:32.05 | Mikk | yeah, i've already fixed the preferences box |
| 13:32.06 | Mikk | twice |
| 13:32.12 | Mikk | that's one of the things i mailed |
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| 13:45.51 | Bibi | this is probably a stupid question but ... Priests of Baa'ri , in your opinion, fake or not ? ^^ |
| 13:47.54 | Kirkburn | Not |
| 13:49.46 | Mikk | Seems legit |
| 13:50.07 | Bibi | I'm tempted to make a news about it but Blizzard mentioning it in the same news as the BT attunement really scares me |
| 13:50.53 | Mikk | true dat :> |
| 13:52.15 | Mikk | err wtf |
| 13:52.17 | Mikk | HOLY resistance? |
| 13:52.24 | Bibi | It's been in the game for ever |
| 13:52.55 | Mikk | which has? |
| 13:53.04 | Bibi | Nothing, but it's in the API |
| 13:53.18 | Mikk | ah, well, yeah |
| 13:53.31 | Mikk | would be a pissy API if it didn't allow the possibility of a change in game mechanics |
| 13:53.34 | amro | Mikk, is there any hope of seeing WoWBench updated? |
| 13:53.54 | sancus | holy resistance doesnt do anything :p |
| 13:54.01 | sancus | the faction might be real, items are fake |
| 13:54.16 | Bibi | why ? nothing seems overpowered |
| 13:54.49 | Mikk | amro: good question >.< |
| 13:54.49 | Kirkburn | The holy resistance mechanic was removed a long time ago, hence the doubt |
| 13:54.59 | sancus | because holy resistance doesn't do anything and it would be a pointless fundamental game mechanic change that would deeply piss off paladins and priests for no good reason |
| 13:55.14 | Mikk | amro: problem is, i haven't really done much coding since 2.0 was released, so i basically don't know where to begin with all the new button stuff that got added |
| 13:55.23 | Mikk | then again i don't necessarily have to get that done do i |
| 13:55.39 | Bibi | sancus : how ? do you expect a lot of people using ... holy resistance gear in PvP ? |
| 13:55.41 | sancus | ... also the faction is linked off of an april fool's attunement post |
| 13:55.48 | amro | Mikk: same here, I wanted to try and update it but I was clueless where to start |
| 13:55.55 | Mikk | hehe |
| 13:56.09 | Bibi | the fact that it's linked to an april fool's post (only on wow-europe tho) is the only problem |
| 13:56.32 | sancus | it's not "because people would use it in pvp", it's the principle |
| 13:56.43 | sancus | holy damage is unaffected by resists |
| 13:56.52 | Mikk | not true |
| 13:56.56 | Mikk | it's affected plenty |
| 13:56.59 | sancus | It would require large-scale game mechanics change to fix it |
| 13:57.01 | Mikk | the idea is that there shouldn't be any holy resists |
| 13:57.02 | sancus | no it isn't |
| 13:57.04 | Mikk | yes it is |
| 13:57.15 | amro | yeah you can resist holy damage, but not because of holy resistance |
| 13:57.18 | sancus | haha |
| 13:57.19 | Mikk | there's been bugs where e.g. fel hunter pets have gotten holy resists from "+ resists to ALL" |
| 13:57.20 | sancus | No it's not |
| 13:57.22 | sancus | wtf |
| 13:57.32 | Mikk | that have subsequently gotten fixed |
| 13:57.34 | sancus | That's entirely beside the point |
| 13:57.39 | sancus | It's not SUPPOSED to be resisted |
| 13:57.42 | Mikk | ahh yeah |
| 13:57.45 | Mikk | absolutely true |
| 13:57.57 | sancus | IF it did become resisted |
| 13:57.57 | sancus | it would be a huge nerf to all holy damage spells in the game |
| 13:58.06 | Mikk | the only "resist" that should happen with holy damage is level-based resists (aka "misses") |
| 13:58.12 | Mikk | that's the idea |
| 13:58.23 | amro | yes, that's what I was thinking of |
| 13:58.42 | sancus | It would take extraordinary evidence to claim that they're going to nerf holy damage spells for the sake of a meaningless faction that was posted on april fool's |
| 13:58.42 | Mikk | but, yeah, there's been bugs where things have actually gotten +holyresist, and it's worked like resists usually do :> |
| 13:58.44 | sancus | there's no such evidence |
| 13:59.06 | Mikk | mm |
| 13:59.08 | sancus | why would there even be holy damage in BT? |
| 13:59.13 | Mikk | so... that article? |
| 13:59.19 | Mikk | april fool's or not? |
| 13:59.24 | Bibi | sancus : why not ? |
| 13:59.27 | Bibi | ^^ |
| 13:59.52 | Mikk | mm true.. holy damage in bloody kharazan |
| 14:00.00 | Mikk | not exactly the place where you expect to find it |
| 14:00.03 | Bibi | it wouldn't be the first time |
| 14:00.04 | Mikk | but still |
| 14:00.13 | sancus | No it wouldn't be the first time they did something random |
| 14:00.20 | Bibi | "OMG ! SHADOW RESISTANCE GEAR IN SILITHUS ! Naxxramas will need tons of Shadow resist !" |
| 14:00.21 | Mikk | smells like an april fool's joke with +holyresist items yeah |
| 14:00.27 | sancus | but I still find it absurd that we're arguing over something that is obviously false, so I'm going to do something productive :P |
| 14:00.32 | Mikk | =) |
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| 14:01.23 | sancus | I can replace some CSS if you guys want, I'll ask vlad first if there's some reason he's putting it off though |
| 14:02.11 | Bibi | i think i'll write my news just for people like you sancus, trying to break my dreams is evil. :( |
| 14:02.26 | Mikk | sancus: the reason he's been putting it off is because he's been meaning to give us css access. which ain't happening :-P |
| 14:02.31 | Mikk | but yeah do ask him ;) |
| 14:02.45 | sancus | yeah it probably won't happen |
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| 14:11.15 | Kirkburn | Doesn't he trust me enough yet? :P |
| 14:11.28 | Bleeter | it's me that he phearz11!!onewon@ |
| 14:12.15 | sancus | having ftp enabled on the server at all is a (minor) security risk |
| 14:17.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | I broke 1000 gold last night! \o/ |
| 14:18.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | now I have 4k to go >.> |
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| 14:19.43 | Bleeter | Adys: congratulations to your countrymen breaking the rail speed record :) |
| 14:20.04 | sancus | Tuqui: lol |
| 14:23.10 | Bibi | Hurray |
| 14:23.10 | Bibi | I just killed the credibility of my website ! |
| 14:23.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay! |
| 14:23.26 | Bibi | http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=73.0 |
| 14:23.28 | Bibi | feel free to laugh. |
| 14:42.52 | Kirkburn | I love flying around Liberty System |
| 14:43.49 | Kirkburn | Y'know, it's hard to keep track of who owns which websites these days, there's so many on here :) |
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| 14:46.01 | Kirkburn | Hey Hobinheim|work |
| 14:47.14 | Hobinheim|work | yeo |
| 14:47.27 | Hobinheim|work | wiki still kinda ehh |
| 14:47.48 | Hobinheim|work | already got a trolll =( |
| 14:47.53 | Hobinheim|work | so early in the morning |
| 14:48.00 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 14:48.17 | Hobinheim|work | how are you Kirkburn? |
| 14:48.31 | Kirkburn | I love how, in Freelancer, the world doesn't revolve around you - e.g. I have to wait in a holding pattern to get on a space station |
| 14:48.31 | Hobinheim|work | i'm so excited. i checked out my apt again last night and i might be moving in as soon as this weekend |
| 14:48.35 | Kirkburn | 21 |
| 14:48.43 | Kirkburn | Very soon to be 22 |
| 14:49.04 | Hobinheim|work | edison trent? |
| 14:49.13 | Hobinheim|work | hah you're 21 yo? |
| 14:49.18 | Kirkburn | Edison Trent ftw |
| 14:49.24 | Hobinheim|work | how ARE you doing |
| 14:50.19 | Mikk | 21? pup =p |
| 14:50.19 | Kirkburn | I've just started playing Freelancer again, suddenly it's working in Vista |
| 14:50.23 | Kirkburn | Lol |
| 14:50.34 | Hobinheim|work | oh vista...i should have trusted my gut instinct |
| 14:50.35 | Kirkburn | I think the recent compatability update MS released helped matters |
| 14:50.44 | Hobinheim|work | and not install it until it reaches its golden era, like xp is now |
| 14:50.58 | Kirkburn | In a few months it should be there |
| 14:51.02 | Hobinheim|work | good thing i'm using vista only on my crap box. bad thing i'm only using vista on my crap box |
| 14:51.25 | Kirkburn | Vista /is/ a better OS than XP, but it needs the support |
| 14:51.30 | Kirkburn | Mikk, why? :) |
| 14:51.44 | Mikk | cos i don't see the point of paying for the xp upgrade? =P |
| 14:51.46 | Kirkburn | Please tell me it's not cause of the aesthetics |
| 14:52.16 | Kirkburn | That's a better excuse than one of my friends had "Win2K is better than XP" .... riiiight. |
| 14:52.33 | Mikk | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:52.44 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 14:52.56 | Kirkburn | Vista Ultimate only cost me £120 anyway |
| 14:53.12 | Mikk | That's a whole year of wow! |
| 14:54.13 | Mikk | A pack of smokes is nearly two weeks of wow. But that insight ain't helping :-( |
| 14:55.04 | sancus | I should get vista ultimate to install on my new macbook.. when I buy that |
| 14:56.09 | sancus | though I should probably check driver support first, haha |
| 14:58.15 | Kirkburn | I'm too scared to put Vista on my Dell laptop yet |
| 14:58.23 | Kirkburn | Perhaps in two months or so |
| 14:59.23 | sancus | I was going to get an alienware |
| 14:59.32 | sancus | but its more expensive and osx owns too much |
| 15:01.53 | Hobinheim|work | audio services and the event log bonked out on my install |
| 15:02.01 | Hobinheim|work | but that's because i kept turning it off and on while it was installing |
| 15:02.12 | Hobinheim|work | if the same thing happens on a clean install, i think i will have ot give up on vista completely |
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| 15:03.05 | fag | hey guys, do you know when WoW will be back up? |
| 15:04.15 | Mikk | WoW US i take it? Don't know exactly for your servers since I can't even read their notes... Usually around 10-11 local time. |
| 15:04.20 | Mikk | <- european |
| 15:05.12 | fag | ah, ok |
| 15:05.17 | fag | I am a US server, yeah |
| 15:05.23 | fag | on a* |
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| 15:06.03 | Hobinheim|work | i thought they do rolling restarts |
| 15:06.07 | fag | it says 3 - 11am PDT, but I am not sure when that is :\ |
| 15:06.08 | Hobinheim|work | btw, fag isn't the best username... |
| 15:06.22 | fag | my normal one was taken |
| 15:06.33 | fag | never thought I would need a secondary one |
| 15:07.19 | Arkanjil | anyone know when 11am PDT is? |
| 15:09.26 | ClydeJr | about 2 hours from now |
| 15:09.58 | ClydeJr | actually 3 hours |
| 15:10.04 | Arkanjil | oh |
| 15:10.09 | Arkanjil | you sure? |
| 15:10.47 | Mikk | 11 + 9 = 20 CEST. ... yeah that's three hours from now. |
| 15:11.18 | Arkanjil | 3 hours, thank you |
| 15:11.20 | Mikk | (if you guys are on daylight savings time by now... i forget when the US switches) |
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| 15:11.43 | Arkanjil | I am in England, but I am on an American server |
| 15:11.57 | ClydeJr | I'm in CDT, 2 hours ahead of PDT |
| 15:11.57 | Hobinheim|work | we already switched |
| 15:12.01 | Hobinheim|work | spring ahead, fall back |
| 15:12.18 | Arkanjil | so it's three hours.. ok, not too bad |
| 15:12.26 | Mikk | well.. worst case anyway |
| 15:12.29 | Mikk | it'll usually be sooner |
| 15:13.20 | Arkanjil | what do they even do during these three hours? ^_^ |
| 15:13.39 | Mikk | database cleanup scripts i imagine |
| 15:13.52 | Mikk | defragging |
| 15:14.25 | sancus | burn all the server hardware and replace it with fresh, new stuff |
| 15:14.30 | Mikk | i wish :> |
| 15:15.04 | Arkanjil | beh, I should've gone with an EU server :\ |
| 15:15.12 | Mikk | but, yeah, the fact that they've started doing rolling restarts more of late would seem to indicate that they've worked the worst bugs out of their database code |
| 15:17.26 | Kirkburn | ClydeJr, register with freenode ... I want to set you to autovoice |
| 15:17.53 | Kirkburn | Arkanjil, England is an awesome place, isn't it :P |
| 15:19.41 | *** join/#wowwiki Shirik (i=nospam@rrcs-67-78-171-230.se.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:19.46 | Kirkburn | Lol - http://wowtcgdb.com/images/medium/kralnor.jpg |
| 15:20.57 | Mikk | bwhaha |
| 15:21.12 | Arkanjil | it is an awesome place, yes, sorry for late replt |
| 15:21.13 | Shirik | I don't get it :( |
| 15:21.14 | Arkanjil | reply* |
| 15:22.10 | ChrisZion | Kirkburn - I MUST HAVE THAT CARD! |
| 15:22.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 15:22.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | I have a question regardint the cards |
| 15:22.24 | ChrisZion | Shoot I have played since release |
| 15:22.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | how hard is it to get a turtle one? |
| 15:22.38 | ChrisZion | got a 1 in 700 chance to get a booster with one |
| 15:22.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | 1 in 700... |
| 15:22.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... |
| 15:22.51 | ChrisZion | About that |
| 15:22.58 | ChrisZion | I got my Turtle in my 4th booster |
| 15:23.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | whats a booster -.- |
| 15:23.22 | ChrisZion | One of the small packs of extras |
| 15:23.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... |
| 15:23.52 | ChrisZion | You got the Starter decks, they are the big boxes |
| 15:23.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah |
| 15:24.14 | ChrisZion | and Boosters, the small packets that you use to build new decks and add to yours |
| 15:24.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | and then additional packs are called boosters? |
| 15:24.20 | ChrisZion | Yup |
| 15:24.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 15:24.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | is it expensive to go out and look through the deck for a turtle? |
| 15:24.58 | ChrisZion | You get the turtle in the boosters |
| 15:25.03 | ChrisZion | not the decks |
| 15:25.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | so I should just buy booster packs |
| 15:25.11 | ChrisZion | each booster is around 3 GBP |
| 15:25.17 | ChrisZion | or look on ebay |
| 15:25.26 | ChrisZion | no idea how much they go for |
| 15:25.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | meh... problem with eBay, I might be getting a used card |
| 15:25.42 | ChrisZion | True |
| 15:26.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | average price for turtle card in eBay is about 120 dollars |
| 15:26.32 | ChrisZion | Yea I was just looking |
| 15:27.05 | ClydeJr | Kirkburn, I think I'm registered now |
| 15:28.11 | Kirkburn | Tadaa |
| 15:28.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 15:28.57 | Kirkburn | I think you have to log out and in for it to autovoice you now |
| 15:29.01 | Kirkburn | Not certain though |
| 15:29.03 | ChrisZion | type /hop |
| 15:29.14 | ChrisZion | should do it |
| 15:30.00 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|work, identify why don't you :) |
| 15:30.28 | Hobinheim|work | it's so cumbersome |
| 15:30.34 | Hobinheim|work | and i figured i could set trillian to do it automatically |
| 15:30.40 | Hobinheim|work | but look what i have to do |
| 15:30.41 | Kirkburn | Surely you can? |
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| 15:31.09 | Kirkburn | Yay! |
| 15:31.22 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|work, have you linked |work? |
| 15:31.51 | mxs | JamieSI still hasn't learned the alphabet. *groan* |
| 15:32.46 | Kirkburn | mxs, wassup? |
| 15:32.54 | Hobinheim|work | linked? |
| 15:33.07 | Kirkburn | Yeah, you can link nicknames together |
| 15:33.12 | Hobinheim|work | how?! =( |
| 15:33.27 | mxs | Kirkburn: already fixed, Jamie just still doesn't really care about alphebetizing Strategy Informer links. I'm waiting for a bump now. :) |
| 15:33.51 | Kirkburn | /msg nickserv link <primary-nick> <your-password> |
| 15:34.11 | Hobinheim|work | buhhh... |
| 15:35.02 | Hobinheim | bahh i have to register it? |
| 15:35.12 | Hobinheim | do they each get a diff password? |
| 15:35.16 | Kirkburn | No, no |
| 15:35.21 | Kirkburn | Go back to being Hob|work |
| 15:35.29 | Kirkburn | Then do what I wrote above |
| 15:35.35 | Hobinheim|work | it says i need to register it |
| 15:35.54 | Kirkburn | Register it then |
| 15:36.03 | Kirkburn | /msg nickserv register <your-password> |
| 15:36.08 | Kirkburn | Then link it |
| 15:36.16 | Hobinheim|work | weee |
| 15:36.24 | Hobinheim|work | ughh i gotta do that for every pipe name? |
| 15:36.29 | Hobinheim|work | i thought pipe names were like... allowed |
| 15:36.32 | Kirkburn | Aye, but only once |
| 15:36.37 | Hobinheim|work | fleh |
| 15:36.40 | Hobinheim|work | what if i went somewhere |
| 15:36.50 | Kirkburn | They expire if not used for 60 days |
| 15:37.01 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | now i'm Hobinheim in SPAAAAAACE |
| 15:37.23 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 15:41.17 | mxs | oh ! Burning Crusade got released in Taiwan today ! |
| 15:41.36 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | uhhh what |
| 15:41.40 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | why wouldn't it have been already? |
| 15:41.50 | mxs | China is still at 1.12.3 |
| 15:42.01 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | none of them got the BC? at all? |
| 15:42.08 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | wow way to cock tease the chinese |
| 15:42.11 | mxs | neither China nor Taiwan had it prior to today |
| 15:42.40 | mxs | and now I have to hunt the files and patchnotes down |
| 15:42.46 | mxs | my Chinese is RUSTY at best :> |
| 15:43.34 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | what's to read |
| 15:43.43 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | it (should) just be an up to date engine, localized in chinese |
| 15:43.50 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | terrible if they went patch by patch |
| 15:44.14 | mxs | maybe so, but it's a matter of pride to get em onto http://a.wirebrain.de/wow/notes/ :) |
| 15:44.39 | mxs | haven't met a locale yet where I was unable to :) |
| 15:45.46 | mxs | they're apparently going straight to 2.0.9 and title that "Before the Storm" |
| 15:46.00 | mxs | which would explain why we haven't seen 2.0.9 in the latin locales |
| 15:54.04 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | you guys into p2p/mp3s? |
| 15:54.44 | mxs | and apparently they translated all the interim patches and their notes as well, just never released them publically |
| 15:54.58 | mxs | P2P, yes, MP3, yes, intersection thereof, no. |
| 15:55.59 | Shirik | mxs_enjoys = P2P xor MP3; |
| 15:57.28 | mxs | Shirik: that's too simple a logic. It would imply that I could not play an MP3 while engaging in peer to peer activities. Those CAN coincide on any given timeline, though. |
| 15:57.41 | Shirik | meh, ok :( |
| 15:58.00 | mxs | Boolean logic can be fun though :P |
| 15:58.13 | mxs | quite fun in combination with temporal logic :) |
| 15:58.21 | Shirik | Kirkburn I'm willing to bet you don't even know what an xor is :P |
| 15:58.33 | Kirkburn | You would win that bet :P |
| 15:58.37 | Shirik | ^^ |
| 15:58.38 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | is there a market for trading pictures with the same ferver that people trade mp3s? |
| 15:58.47 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: yes. |
| 15:58.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah... |
| 15:58.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | its called pr0n? >.> |
| 15:59.00 | Shirik | haha |
| 15:59.09 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: and depending on what kind of pictures we are talking about, the platform differs :) |
| 15:59.15 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | ok, right. but seriously, i've never seen any p2p apps marketed or geared toward pictures |
| 15:59.28 | mxs | but if you want some datapoints for your market data, go look at usenet. |
| 15:59.44 | mxs | you have not seen Usenet, then :P |
| 15:59.52 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i guess not |
| 15:59.55 | mxs | it will show you the deepest abyss of humanity |
| 15:59.58 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i mean whenever *i* see usenet i see a mess |
| 16:00.06 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i ahven't seen the properly ran ninja darksides of usenet |
| 16:00.30 | mxs | it takes time. Once you have waded through the filth, you see a clear picture emerge. |
| 16:00.35 | mxs | and it is glowing, it is beautiful. |
| 16:00.38 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | is there a market to trade pictures, peer to peer, in a trusted ring of individuals? |
| 16:00.40 | mxs | Quite possibly illegal in some states. |
| 16:00.46 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | mxs, lol |
| 16:00.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | According to Nielsen Soundscan, there were 581 million downloads in 2006 for a growth rate of 54 percent over last year, less than the previous year's growth rate of 163 percent. |
| 16:00.59 | mxs | yes. flickr, facebook, most social networking sites, etc. |
| 16:01.14 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i dunno i guess i'm just not convincing myself |
| 16:01.22 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | cuz i know i want YOUR mp3s. but do i really want your pictures.. |
| 16:01.39 | mxs | depends on whether I am a good photographer or know pretty girls |
| 16:01.40 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i have this plan for world domination, see. and it starts with the world's greatest p2p software |
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| 16:02.04 | mxs | the inherent problem with pure P2P software is the lack of previews |
| 16:02.18 | mxs | and pictures really require thumbnails to be properly shared |
| 16:02.35 | Tuqui-tuqui | yes |
| 16:02.38 | mxs | so those social networking sites thrive, but also eat all the bandwidth :) |
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| 16:03.14 | mxs | and people DO crave crappy photos. Just look at all those partypic-sites |
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| 16:03.52 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | grrr... i'm stilll not like... |
| 16:03.54 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | FEELIN it... |
| 16:04.11 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | so i guess it would be a glorified P2P publishing thing |
| 16:04.16 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | like a flickr in private |
| 16:04.23 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | or a P2P version of picasa |
| 16:04.24 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | =( |
| 16:04.33 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | which doesn't fit with my original vision, which revolved around music |
| 16:04.43 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | but people suggested i look into other ofrmats |
| 16:04.50 | mxs | if you don't get how people might like to share (or rather, leech) umpteen tons of porn, I don't know how to help you |
| 16:04.57 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i know i don't want to do large files, like movies |
| 16:05.28 | mxs | P2P sharing of low-density payloads is not an easy problem to solve |
| 16:05.40 | mxs | since you tend to approach the case where overhead exceeds payload |
| 16:06.18 | mxs | properly tagged pictures will carry several kilobytes of pure metadata, for instance |
| 16:06.39 | Kirkburn | To Planet Manhattan! |
| 16:07.00 | mxs | oy, random association time ! Manhattan Project. |
| 16:07.22 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | you lost me at low density paylods |
| 16:07.26 | Kirkburn | I just left Fort Bush :) |
| 16:08.45 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: well ... Let's look at why P2P distribution of movies and ISOs works so well ... It's a crapload of data per item, i.e. high density. It's a lot harder to create a scalable centalized server architecture that serves that kind of data to tens of thousands or even millions of people |
| 16:08.51 | mxs | concurrently. |
| 16:09.19 | mxs | whereas photos, pictures, thumbnails, lend themselves better to that kind of system; the volume is slashed a couple thousandfold |
| 16:09.50 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | well i sorta want the same thing, but on a smaller scale |
| 16:09.55 | mxs | and it really doesn't matter if you have to transfer, say, 20 kilobytes of metadata for a single movie, whereas 20 kbyte of metadata for a single picture would kind of defeat the purpuse of P2P |
| 16:09.56 | Gryphen | PixVillage? |
| 16:09.56 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i'm going for a decentralized angle |
| 16:09.59 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | think of a ring of people |
| 16:10.09 | mxs | yeah, but what are you trying to accomplish ? |
| 16:10.13 | Gryphen | i missed what you are talking about? p2p image sharing? |
| 16:10.17 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | to make file sharing AWESOME!!!! |
| 16:10.21 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | Gryphen, yeah |
| 16:10.28 | mxs | that ring of people can use a centralized server and get more features, and the bandwidth needed is not infeasably high |
| 16:10.30 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | to me, file sharing isn't sexy enough |
| 16:10.36 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | it's already 2007 and it's still too hard to do |
| 16:10.45 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | no, no central server |
| 16:10.47 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: check out cheggit.net for the sexy, you pervert ! :P |
| 16:10.54 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | mayber, architecturally, one of those people in the ring becomes the server |
| 16:10.59 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | but there is no central server, ever |
| 16:11.03 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | no one to sue, wink wink |
| 16:11.11 | Kirkburn | zomg, I gots teh new shipzor! |
| 16:11.11 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | wait what is that website? |
| 16:11.13 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | is it work safe? |
| 16:11.17 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: my point is that you have a hammer and are trying to make the problem look like a nail, when it's really not |
| 16:11.25 | mxs | no it is not |
| 16:11.28 | mxs | most definitely not |
| 16:11.29 | Gryphen | PixVillage is p2p image sharing, but i havent looked at it im some time |
| 16:11.31 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | what is it |
| 16:11.54 | mxs | just your generic torrent site, but geared towards the seedier side of things |
| 16:13.04 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: in either case though, you can deliver features that are impossible in decentralized P2P environments in a centralized environment, and most users appreciate that kind of usability |
| 16:13.47 | mxs | thus, smugmug.com etc. thrive |
| 16:14.00 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | omg you're like going at lightspeed and i'm not following |
| 16:14.31 | mxs | well. Find a use-case where a P2P picture sharing service is superior to a centralized site hosting them. |
| 16:14.40 | mxs | once you do, you may have found your niche. |
| 16:15.42 | mxs | first we might have to solve the general populace's inability to assign proper metadata to images. |
| 16:16.10 | mxs | 'cause without metadata, the most beautiful picture will never be found in the billions of shots of ... uh ... crap. |
| 16:16.33 | Kirkburn | I just want bewbs. Why must it be so complicated? |
| 16:16.36 | mxs | for MP3/music, ID3 was that answer. |
| 16:16.45 | mxs | but who takes the time to tag pr0n ? |
| 16:16.46 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | mxs, now you're hitting an issue which i'm having trouble googling |
| 16:16.56 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | what is the ID3 equivalent for GIFs and jPEGS? |
| 16:17.14 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | and are there any other file format sthat need consdering besdies pictures and music |
| 16:17.17 | mxs | MPEG-7, several bibliothecary standards, and of course EXIF |
| 16:18.02 | mxs | still images, moving images, audio, audiovisual, text, scanned text (special case of images), sensor data for all manner of stuff |
| 16:18.38 | mxs | the problem with metadata isn't so much that there are no standards, but that nobody is using them. |
| 16:19.01 | Gryphen | shareaza has metadata and shows previews |
| 16:19.03 | mxs | Even video formats (which mostly HAVE metadata capabilities) are seldomly filled with decent metadata |
| 16:19.08 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | mxs, are you a frequent visitor here? you know so much! and yet i don't recognize your name |
| 16:19.17 | mxs | I lurk. :) |
| 16:19.33 | mxs | there are channels I lurk in that have nto seen me talk in over 2 years. |
| 16:19.40 | Shirik | scary |
| 16:19.48 | mxs | one of them thinks I'm a bot. |
| 16:19.52 | mxs | quite entertaining, really. |
| 16:19.54 | Kirkburn | lolz, I gots 3 awesome Drails on my Startracker |
| 16:19.55 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | bleh |
| 16:19.59 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | EXIF is all camera data |
| 16:20.01 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i want like |
| 16:20.07 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | X-MODEL: Jenna Jameson |
| 16:20.18 | mxs | mpeg-7 |
| 16:20.29 | mxs | not that you will find pr0n-people using it |
| 16:20.33 | Shirik | yeah EXIF is for aperature/shutter/EV/model/resolution/etc |
| 16:20.43 | Shirik | you won't find what it's a picture of in that data |
| 16:20.48 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | but what file types is it bound to? |
| 16:21.16 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | see this is making my "fit grand musical vision onto pictures" thing fail |
| 16:21.16 | mxs | and the next thing is the proplem of interoperability ... metadata should not suddenly vanish just because you switch from Picasa to Adobe or such :) |
| 16:21.22 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | it's not even me wanting pictures. maybe that's the problem |
| 16:21.32 | Shirik | hmmm |
| 16:21.36 | mxs | it's not really bound to fileTYPEs per se |
| 16:21.44 | mxs | just to files and their content |
| 16:21.51 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i want a complete analogy. mp3 to id3 as jpeg is to................ |
| 16:21.54 | mxs | i.e. you'd store it in extended attributes of your filesystem |
| 16:22.00 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | bleh not what i want |
| 16:22.03 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | has to be bound to the file |
| 16:22.08 | Shirik | ADS? |
| 16:22.08 | mxs | it can't be |
| 16:22.12 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i've htought bout this through and through for anything that resembles mp3s |
| 16:22.17 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | but not for any other file type |
| 16:22.20 | mxs | you can't really retroactively change a standardzied file format |
| 16:22.28 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | like if ogg can look, act, and dance like an mp3, that's fine with me |
| 16:22.37 | mxs | uh .. ogg doesn'T |
| 16:22.39 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i'm not trying to change naything, i just don't know what picture files are capapble of |
| 16:22.44 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | ogg odesn't have tagging space? |
| 16:22.46 | mxs | ogg uses ogg comments, not id3 tags |
| 16:22.51 | Kirkburn | Jenna Jameson? *sigh* |
| 16:22.52 | mxs | it does, but a COMPLETELY different format :) |
| 16:22.57 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | but who cares |
| 16:23.01 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | as long as it can do the same thing |
| 16:23.04 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i'm fine with that |
| 16:23.05 | mxs | implementors care :> |
| 16:23.07 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | hooray APIs |
| 16:23.11 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | I"M the implementor, silly |
| 16:23.23 | Shirik | Hobinheim|SPAACE: You don't really have a way of storing the information reliably in the file directly, but perhaps using the OS to handle it would work. The problem though is |
| 16:23.30 | Shirik | Transferring information from one computer to another |
| 16:23.33 | Shirik | in that case |
| 16:23.33 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | no, no OS layer |
| 16:23.35 | mxs | I mean, the tagging in Matroska is superior to most audio and movie tagging systems -- but nobody is implementing it :) |
| 16:23.35 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | has to be the file |
| 16:24.06 | Shirik | Then you have to invent a new format |
| 16:24.06 | Shirik | Even if it's the JPEG format with a few extra bytes |
| 16:24.06 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | no, i'm only going to work with file formats that already do this |
| 16:24.06 | Kirkburn | "Acknowledged. Your request to dock is granted. Proceed to Dock One." |
| 16:24.06 | Shirik | Then you're never going to resolve your problem >< |
| 16:24.06 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: not interoperable. |
| 16:24.10 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | ? |
| 16:24.18 | mxs | and good luck getting all the pr0n people to switch to your format of choice |
| 16:24.19 | Shirik | Kirkburn: ... huh? |
| 16:24.22 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i feel like we're going around in circles and no one is getting me |
| 16:24.26 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i'm not asking for anything impossible |
| 16:24.29 | mxs | hell, you'll be hard-pressed to find a pr0n-outlet producing JPEG-2000 images |
| 16:24.31 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | if it's impossible, i'm not doing it |
| 16:24.36 | Kirkburn | I'm playing Freelancer, nub |
| 16:24.39 | Shirik | It's not impossible, it's just |
| 16:24.42 | Shirik | you're trying to do too much |
| 16:24.50 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i'm not trying anythign! what are you saying! |
| 16:24.59 | Shirik | There is a solution, but it causes other problems |
| 16:25.08 | Shirik | I.e., use either an OS ADS or a new file format |
| 16:25.12 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | if a JPEG doesn't already support what i'm asking for, i'm not going to shoe-horn some crazy solution on top of it |
| 16:25.15 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i'm just not going to do it |
| 16:25.20 | Shirik | Right, it doesn't |
| 16:25.23 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | are we still not clear on that...? =( |
| 16:25.33 | Shirik | I thought you were asking how you could get around that :P |
| 16:25.34 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: it's not that it's impossible, but you seem to have a preconceived notion of what your final product will look like ... i.e. "it has to be in the file" vs. "oh, mpeg7-metadata records in a separate source" |
| 16:25.51 | Shirik | Natively, JPEG will not support it. |
| 16:25.53 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | yes, i do have a preconceived notion |
| 16:25.58 | Shirik | Reliably |
| 16:26.00 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | that's what i'm gunning for. my notion |
| 16:26.06 | mxs | so, don't put it in the jpeg file. put it in another container. |
| 16:26.08 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | and my notion. is completely file centric |
| 16:26.14 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | no, it has to be self-contained |
| 16:26.16 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | that's the rule |
| 16:26.18 | Shirik | mxs: That's the point, he wants it to be in the file |
| 16:26.18 | mxs | which is the wrong notion to have ! |
| 16:26.20 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | the all-governing rule |
| 16:26.31 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | right, that's THE point |
| 16:26.32 | mxs | make it a ZIP with the picture and the metadata (that is what OpenOffice does) |
| 16:26.34 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | for this project |
| 16:26.37 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | that's the ENTIRE point |
| 16:26.49 | mxs | you can serialize ANYTHING into a "file" |
| 16:26.57 | Shirik | that's too hard |
| 16:26.59 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | id3 |
| 16:27.02 | Shirik | I'd be lazy and just append bytes :P |
| 16:27.03 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | hullo =P |
| 16:27.05 | mxs | since that file can just be a container for other files :) |
| 16:27.32 | Shirik | jpeg has a header that indicates the file size, so you should just be able to write random data to the end |
| 16:27.46 | Shirik | to store whatever extra information you want |
| 16:27.50 | mxs | id3 is a part of the mpeg3 file format. You could just do a song.mp3z file format that is a zip containing the mp3 frames in an mp3 data stream and metadata in a metadata.txt. Or, hell, mp4-files with metadata-streams |
| 16:28.28 | mxs | Shirik: which will be removed by anything that, say, rotates the image :) |
| 16:28.34 | Shirik | :( |
| 16:28.36 | Shirik | yes it would |
| 16:28.47 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | again, not trying to shoehorn crazy solutions |
| 16:28.49 | mxs | which is not an uncommon operation |
| 16:28.56 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i want to totally work within the bounds of what already exists |
| 16:28.59 | Shirik | It might also crash |
| 16:29.09 | mxs | Hobinheim|SPAACE: so you don'T want to create anything new ? |
| 16:29.12 | Shirik | buffer overflow |
| 16:29.20 | mxs | Shirik: that would be a bad parser indeed |
| 16:29.31 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | no, no new stuff |
| 16:29.32 | mxs | Shirik: if you find an error like that, let me know -- easy to exploit on a massive scale. |
| 16:29.36 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | just takin care of business |
| 16:29.38 | Shirik | it would |
| 16:29.39 | mxs | Heck, ImageMagick had an error like that :) |
| 16:29.43 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | cupcake to whoever recognizes what i just said! |
| 16:30.11 | Shirik | I want a cupcake :( |
| 16:30.19 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | (say the simpsons) |
| 16:30.24 | mxs | is the cupcake anthromorph, and is she cute ? |
| 16:31.15 | Shirik | I'd eat it either way |
| 16:31.15 | Shirik | o.o |
| 16:31.40 | mxs | we have a winner ! |
| 16:33.19 | mxs | I should hire those goldfarmer sweatshops to put meaningful metadata on my pr0n-collection |
| 16:33.35 | Shirik | Ok, so Hobinheim|SPAACE |
| 16:33.38 | Shirik | what we've established |
| 16:34.10 | Shirik | You want a way to store picture information (title, author, etc.) in a picture, using currently available technologies, transferrable between computers, stored completely in the file, and not system-dependent |
| 16:34.41 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | Shirik, bingo! |
| 16:34.50 | Shirik | right |
| 16:34.50 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i kinda already sorta gave up on it though =P |
| 16:34.53 | Shirik | not gonna happen |
| 16:34.59 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | cuz what format is as populra as JPG |
| 16:35.00 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | none |
| 16:35.17 | Shirik | tbh I hate jpegs |
| 16:35.20 | mxs | there is some nice commentary on that on http://www.library.cornell.edu/preservation/tutorial/metadata/metadata-02.html |
| 16:35.46 | Kirkburn | Lol, go me ... I apparently just bought THE worst ship in Freelancer |
| 16:35.59 | mxs | jpegs are quite nice actually ... not too resource hungry and decent compression, with graceful degradation |
| 16:36.21 | mxs | though hardly state of the art anymore, either |
| 16:36.22 | Shirik | I'm just picky about quality, and usually I'm working with stuff relying on accurate pictures |
| 16:36.30 | Shirik | so I prefer PNGs |
| 16:36.46 | mxs | yeah, I absolutely HATE idiots who use jpegs at, say, 7 for prepress-work |
| 16:36.48 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | Kirkburn, aren't there guides and build orders that help prevent you from making bad decisions |
| 16:37.06 | mxs | there is nothing quite as entertaining as 2-by-2-centimeter JPEG artifacts on a poster |
| 16:37.13 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:37.29 | Shirik | people don't realize every time they save a jpg it performs the compression again |
| 16:37.36 | Shirik | so they work in jpg format instead of a lossless one |
| 16:37.42 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|SPAACE, aye |
| 16:37.42 | mxs | or high-resolution art prints in a so-called art-magazine that have JPEG-edges clearly visible |
| 16:38.00 | mxs | Shirik: those people, fortunately, are soon out of a job :) |
| 16:38.05 | Shirik | heh |
| 16:38.20 | mxs | IIRC, JPEG-2000 has a lossless-mode, as well |
| 16:38.23 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | idiots!!!! |
| 16:43.59 | Kirkburn | I can't actually find a better ship to get tbh |
| 16:44.41 | mxs | I shall resume my lurker duties. Have fun :-) |
| 16:44.41 | Kirkburn | There's one other, a heavy fighter, but it has less armour and energy capacity |
| 16:45.38 | Kirkburn | (the guide - http://www.gamefaqs.com/computer/doswin/file/913966/35814) |
| 16:52.58 | Kirkburn | Grah, every guide is telling me to get a Defender |
| 16:53.06 | Kirkburn | Guess they must have a reason |
| 16:55.13 | ClydeJr | Did you see the BSG mod demo released yesterday? Pretty sure its based off of freelancer2 |
| 16:59.36 | Kirkburn | Freelancer 2 doesn't exists, but anyhoo :P |
| 16:59.59 | Kirkburn | What did you actually mean? :) |
| 17:00.57 | Kirkburn | I heard about the mod though |
| 17:01.35 | ClydeJr | hrm... maybe it was some other base game. My connection is a little wonky and doesn't want to bring up the page: http://www.game-warden.com/forum/showthread.php?t=3502 |
| 17:02.00 | Mikk | DAMNIT! Wtb working wowwiki. I need to look up an event >.< |
| 17:02.10 | Kirkburn | There was a Freespace 2 |
| 17:02.37 | ClydeJr | ahh bet that was it |
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| 17:19.52 | Yithnal | thought I'd peek in here... anyone actually here? |
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| 17:20.18 | SysTem-X | yep, looks like theres a patch update |
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| 18:55.09 | Adys | ²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²²² |
| 18:55.12 | Adys | er |
| 18:55.15 | Adys | hello |
| 18:56.57 | Apollozeus | wow |
| 18:57.02 | Apollozeus | you must be bored to tears |
| 18:57.56 | ClydeJr | I think he fell asleep and his head hit the keyboard |
| 19:00.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | or he is trying to quote someone but keeps forgetting who or what it is |
| 19:03.28 | Adys | thats my TS push to talk key |
| 19:03.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | you talk a lot in TS :p |
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| 19:05.48 | Adys | im raiding :/ |
| 19:06.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay! |
| 19:06.32 | Kirkburn | Your TS PTT is a superscript 2? |
| 19:06.36 | Kirkburn | How does that work? |
| 19:07.41 | Kirkburn | Btw, "PlayStation 3 sales plunge 82% in UK" |
| 19:08.01 | Kirkburn | And stocks are nowhere near running out |
| 19:10.24 | Kirkburn | Who else wants to be voiced? :) |
| 19:12.20 | Kowi | me :p |
| 19:12.53 | Kirkburn | Voiced = regular/prolific contributer, bot owners, and major WoW website staff. |
| 19:13.16 | Kowi | you asked :p |
| 19:13.19 | Apollozeus | :D |
| 19:13.21 | Kirkburn | hehe |
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| 19:13.23 | Kowi | hehe |
| 19:13.31 | Apollozeus | lol i huv vuc n0 |
| 19:13.49 | Apollozeus | not sure what the use of it is |
| 19:13.53 | Apollozeus | but alright <_< |
| 19:13.58 | Kirkburn | None whatsoever |
| 19:14.05 | Kirkburn | Until I silence the channel, anyway =) |
| 19:14.46 | Kowi | what are you using a bot for in here anyway :p |
| 19:20.59 | Adys | infobot, explain to Kowi why we need you |
| 19:21.11 | Adys | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:21.13 | Adys | :x |
| 19:22.12 | Adys | ~beer |
| 19:22.14 | infobot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 19:23.31 | Kirkburn | What's the WoW Radio irc address? |
| 19:23.48 | Adys | mmoirc |
| 19:23.49 | Adys | #wowradio |
| 19:23.51 | Adys | iirc |
| 19:23.57 | Adys | its noted on wcradio.com |
| 19:24.41 | Adys | anyone using miranda? |
| 19:24.45 | Adys | for irc access |
| 19:37.16 | Kirkburn | Updated http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC |
| 19:47.20 | Kirkburn | enGB patches are up already? |
| 19:47.26 | Kirkburn | That's early! |
| 19:50.28 | Kirkburn | What WoW related channels do people know? |
| 19:50.52 | Kirkburn | If anyone knows other popular ones than WoWI, Ace, Cosmos and WoW Radio, add them to the page |
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| 20:34.55 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | can we start charging for wowwiki |
| 20:34.58 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | and be on a payroll |
| 20:35.14 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | there's a thread "why is SA so good" and it makes me upset that not every internet site is troll immune |
| 20:35.18 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | or troll resistant at least |
| 20:36.01 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | wait so what's the difference between someone who is voiced and normal? |
| 20:36.22 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i asked that before... |
| 20:38.05 | Kirkburn | Nada |
| 20:39.32 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | nothing? |
| 20:39.34 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | just a title? |
| 20:39.49 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | btw do you know what Sweeping Strikes does? |
| 20:42.32 | Kirkburn | Strikes sweepingly |
| 20:42.39 | Kirkburn | AoE strike afaik |
| 20:42.49 | Kirkburn | Dunno if/how it's different to cleave |
| 20:43.05 | Kirkburn | sancus will know ;) |
| 20:43.29 | Kirkburn | Voiced allows someone to speak when the channel is silenced |
| 20:45.49 | winkiller | wasn't there a proposal ro remove the mirc logo? |
| 20:46.40 | Kirkburn | Yes, if someone comes up with something better |
| 20:47.10 | winkiller | can I get the wowwiki title anywhere? |
| 20:47.21 | Adys | check Category:WoWWiki Graphics |
| 20:47.37 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:WoWWiki_Graphics |
| 20:48.18 | Kirkburn | Apparently Vomidor is not Travis? |
| 20:48.22 | winkiller | thanks |
| 20:48.50 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | FINKLE IS EINHORNE?! |
| 20:48.58 | Adys | YES! |
| 20:49.12 | Kirkburn | THIS IS AN UNACCEPTABLE SLAP TO THE FACE! |
| 20:49.23 | Adys | OH MY GOD NOES, NOT FINKLE! |
| 20:56.17 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i'm going to make a wowwiki fork and charge for it |
| 20:56.22 | Gryphen | remove mirc logo! make everything an unbiased gooey blob! |
| 20:58.07 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | i'm gonna call it... hobwiki |
| 20:58.11 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | gah i pinged myself again |
| 21:01.34 | winkiller | slowwiki hooray. I hate americans :< |
| 21:01.47 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | america hates you! |
| 21:01.49 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | where are you? |
| 21:01.50 | Gryphen | back atcha |
| 21:01.55 | winkiller | germany |
| 21:02.09 | winkiller | and it's getting slow every day at 11pm till 4 am |
| 21:02.26 | winkiller | no, 6 even |
| 21:24.37 | Kirkburn | Patch day |
| 21:32.53 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: I added norg's irc # to the irc page |
| 21:33.36 | Bleeter | hmm, is that the correct plural? |
| 21:37.28 | Kirkburn | You can't pluralise it, I think |
| 21:39.58 | Tekkub | Sheep! |
| 21:40.00 | Tekkub | Buffalo! |
| 21:40.00 | Bleeter | baaaa! |
| 21:40.01 | Tekkub | Aldor! |
| 21:40.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | oy |
| 21:40.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | that reminds me |
| 21:40.19 | Tuqui-tuqui | I AM GOING ALDOR!! |
| 21:40.33 | Kirkburn | GOOD FOR YOU!! |
| 21:40.37 | Tuqui-tuqui | YES! |
| 21:40.51 | Tekkub | so I had my gay mall binge yesterday |
| 21:40.56 | Tekkub | 2 years without a real mall... |
| 21:41.10 | Kirkburn | What's a gay mall binge? |
| 21:41.11 | Tekkub | we spent $25 on scented candles and $70 on leather jackets :) |
| 21:41.25 | Kirkburn | Aah, I see |
| 21:41.38 | Tekkub | with a minor geek binge... a big box of Pocky |
| 21:41.47 | Kirkburn | Wtf is Pocky? |
| 21:42.09 | Tekkub | http://www.asiachi.com/alcrpoch1.html |
| 21:42.11 | Gryphen | japanese snack |
| 21:45.39 | Kirkburn | Freaky food |
| 21:45.47 | Tekkub | it's good! |
| 21:46.05 | Tekkub | you can get the normal chocolate ones at walmart supercenters for $1/box |
| 22:10.24 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | WTF IS POCKY? |
| 22:10.31 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | WTF IS POCKY?! |
| 22:10.36 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | ARE YOU NUTS |
| 22:10.40 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | GO BUY SOME POCKY |
| 22:10.42 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | EAT IT NOW |
| 22:10.55 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | preferable "men's chocolate" flavor, or whatever |
| 22:11.04 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | silly japanese don't know how to translate dark chocolate |
| 22:11.10 | Hobinheim|SPAACE | or the one with crushed nuts |
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| 22:48.33 | amro | the wiki's so fast today that I'm feeling slow |
| 22:49.49 | Bleeter | Kirkburn: http://www.battlebricks.com/wiigobot/index.html |
| 23:23.30 | Adys | lol amro |
| 23:36.12 | Adys | sleeptime |
| 23:36.13 | Adys | nn peeps |
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| 23:47.03 | Kirkburn | Crazy Adys, always turning his PC off |
| 23:48.59 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|SPAACE, Bretonia ftw |
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