| 00:35.52 | *** join/#wowwiki Skyfire (n=rawsonat@c-76-105-193-92.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 00:36.19 | Skyfire | lol |
| 00:37.02 | Skyfire | "Using the customer support "Auto-Unstuck" will now trigger the one-hour cooldown on the player's hearthstone." |
| 00:38.47 | Skyfire | how is everyone, btw? |
| 00:40.06 | Adys | fine |
| 00:40.08 | Adys | and tired |
| 00:40.09 | Adys | nn :) |
| 00:40.19 | Adys | quit ZzzzZzz |
| 00:40.22 | Adys | .. |
| 00:40.34 | Skyfire | lol |
| 00:44.01 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 01:23.08 | Skyfire | tekkub or kirkburn |
| 01:23.12 | Skyfire | either of you there? |
| 01:23.20 | Kirkburn|afk | boo |
| 01:23.24 | Skyfire | hi |
| 01:24.08 | Skyfire | are you really there?... |
| 01:24.10 | Skyfire | :x |
| 01:24.51 | Kirkburn|afk | boo |
| 01:24.59 | Skyfire | good |
| 01:25.01 | Skyfire | lol |
| 01:25.32 | Skyfire | eh, nvm |
| 01:25.41 | Kirkburn|afk | :*( |
| 01:25.55 | Skyfire | lol |
| 01:31.57 | Skyfire | actually, Kirk, i will need you in a couple seconds |
| 01:32.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, we've already got all the Vashj loot up :D |
| 01:32.27 | Skyfire | not all of it |
| 01:32.28 | Skyfire | anyway |
| 01:33.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, obviously |
| 01:33.25 | Kirkburn|afk | All the ones we know so far :) |
| 01:33.39 | Skyfire | can you move http://www.wowwiki.com/Punchline to [[User:Punchline/Punchline]], revert to Punchline's last edit, and then protect it? I have a feeling it's going to be fairly controversial... :/ |
| 01:35.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Moved |
| 01:35.39 | *** join/#wowwiki Maxmaps (n=beastboy@189.137.2.250) |
| 01:36.48 | Skyfire | alternatively, you could ban the two that are continuing to change it |
| 01:36.51 | Skyfire | -_- |
| 01:38.47 | Skyfire | in fact, ban all 3 of them for a day >_< |
| 01:38.52 | *** join/#wowwiki MacHarborGuy (n=MacHarbo@ppp-69-209-107-169.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net) |
| 01:39.16 | Skyfire | oh boy |
| 01:39.21 | Maxmaps | Hi Punchie. |
| 01:39.47 | Skyfire | who're you talking to? |
| 01:40.50 | Skyfire | you wouldn't happen to be duncor, eh? |
| 01:40.56 | Skyfire | mac is a nobrainer |
| 01:41.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Added a warning banner |
| 01:41.50 | Skyfire | yeah, i noted that |
| 01:41.56 | Maxmaps | No, not at all, just wondering if there is some sort of way that we could take care of the... less than truth allegations in the Punchline entry, being as it affects the reputation of our workplace. |
| 01:42.09 | *** join/#wowwiki Skaan (n=uncisbet@117-116.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 01:42.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm giving it another ten minutes, or I'm deleting it |
| 01:42.24 | Skyfire | oh man |
| 01:42.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Maxmaps, libel against WoWRadio? |
| 01:42.37 | Maxmaps | Yes, that seems to be the issue. |
| 01:42.56 | Skyfire | ah, then you would be minuet? |
| 01:43.06 | Maxmaps | No, justa coworker of them. |
| 01:43.35 | Skyfire | Punchline, care to explain yourself? |
| 01:43.52 | Skyfire | talking, i'm assured, usually solves the issue |
| 01:44.26 | Shirik | use nbsirc |
| 01:44.30 | Shirik | its logger is beautiful ^^ |
| 01:44.51 | Karrion | heh, gaim's is decent enough for my purposes ;-) |
| 01:45.28 | Punchline | Duncor can deny that WoW Radio hired me all he wants, but I WAS hired by Tyrrum in the Spring of 2006. |
| 01:45.39 | Maxmaps | We have issues with things, such as Tyrrum, atleast to our knowledge, never hiring Punchline, being as we have a 'no less than 18 years old' hiring policy, and some other such as Speedyf40 was never asked to pick one or the other, just decided to jump to a more prosperous project. |
| 01:46.00 | Maxmaps | We are contacting Tyrrum at this point to get his view on this and as such a last confirmation. |
| 01:46.28 | Punchline | Tyrrum will remember that I e-mailed him a day before I had to leave for Pennsylvania. |
| 01:46.40 | *** join/#wowwiki Gryphen (n=masked@c-76-104-130-0.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 01:46.40 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Gryphen] by ChanServ |
| 01:46.50 | Maxmaps | And if he does, that fragment of your article is more than alright. |
| 01:46.51 | Punchline | And I had been hired but unable to respond and he needed a content monkey quickly. |
| 01:46.58 | Punchline | Okay. |
| 01:47.12 | Skyfire | good. what else seems to be an issue max? |
| 01:47.16 | Kirkburn|afk | MacHarborGuy, I would appreciate not insulting WoWWiki on WoWWiki pages. We do try and keep standards, and libel certainly isn't something we allow. |
| 01:47.31 | MacHarborGuy | Kirkburn: which is specificlly why I am here. I apologize for the Wikipedia comments. I didn't know then would be taken as they were, and for that I apologize. |
| 01:47.33 | Punchline | And Speedyf40 obviously had to choose. Before he left he was producing shows for both stations and he HAD to leave AzerothCast. |
| 01:47.40 | Kirkburn|afk | MacHarborGuy, kk :) |
| 01:48.05 | Kirkburn|afk | In any case, I don't think this is something for WoWWiki to record. |
| 01:48.13 | Maxmaps | Agreed sir. |
| 01:48.40 | Maxmaps | Im sure you keep it all in seriousness as things that should be relevant to the rest of the community. |
| 01:48.50 | Skyfire | that would be the theory |
| 01:48.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Punchline, you can have this stuff on a personal website, but it doesn't belong on the wiki, especially when the facts are not plain to see |
| 01:49.39 | Kirkburn|afk | We do allow some silliness - http://www.wowwiki.com/Tauren_rogue :P |
| 01:49.58 | Shirik | Yeah |
| 01:50.04 | Shirik | and http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn |
| 01:50.06 | Shirik | ha |
| 01:50.07 | bleeter | and the ultimate silly page... http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=Kirkburn |
| 01:50.11 | Punchline | What the hell... I just put this on WoW Wiki to post my character's "life" as others do. And because someone else attacks it I am not able to keep it? |
| 01:50.12 | Shirik | what a useless page |
| 01:50.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Egad |
| 01:50.29 | Kirkburn|afk | That's not your character's life at all |
| 01:50.36 | Kirkburn|afk | It's your own personal biography |
| 01:50.39 | Shirik | I love how like |
| 01:50.44 | Skyfire | hush shirik |
| 01:50.44 | Shirik | bleeter and I are always on the same wavelength |
| 01:50.52 | Kirkburn|afk | And thank you for linking my page you two :P |
| 01:51.17 | Shirik | Wow, no need to get testy |
| 01:51.22 | Shirik | Lighten the mood a little, you know? |
| 01:51.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Silliness is okay to a point (as long as it's something well known) but not outright libel hostility and warring of words - hell no |
| 01:51.47 | Punchline | And I never did that... |
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| 01:52.32 | Skyfire | ah |
| 01:52.38 | Duncor | hello |
| 01:53.16 | Punchline | Oh... Did I remove the warning banner? My bad. I didn't mean to. |
| 01:53.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Punchline, the fact that you removed my warning banner doesn't help |
| 01:53.20 | *** join/#wowwiki Zaran (n=Chris@ACD896CF.ipt.aol.com) |
| 01:53.22 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 01:53.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Am I to assume that this is a sudden influx from the wowradio channel? :P |
| 01:53.44 | Punchline | >.< I didn't mean to. I'm used to pasting over the whole article. |
| 01:54.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyways, I have to say, the article really doesn't belong on the wiki |
| 01:54.28 | ChrisZion | Not quite, I have been meaning to join for a while. |
| 01:56.12 | Skyfire | btw, Tribal Wars will kill WoW. |
| 01:56.14 | Shirik | Question: http://www.wowwiki.com/Namespace currently redirects to http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Namespace |
| 01:56.22 | Skyfire | and? |
| 01:56.39 | Shirik | Can I turn that into a disambiguation page for http://www.wowwiki.com/OOP without making everyone want to kill me? |
| 01:56.44 | Shirik | er |
| 01:56.51 | Shirik | http://www.wowwiki.com/Object_Oriented_Programming |
| 01:57.28 | Skyfire | you found your disambig page ;P |
| 01:57.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Here's what's going to happen. I am going to delete the Punchline article, because the issue is obviously very sensitive and heavily disputed. |
| 01:57.46 | Shirik | Yeah, wrote the wrong link >< |
| 01:57.51 | Punchline | There goes an afternoon's typing... |
| 01:57.55 | Duncor | I'm soory for all the troble Kirkburn |
| 01:57.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Personal biographies are DNP content |
| 01:58.00 | Duncor | sorry* |
| 01:58.06 | Gryphen | Make a blog or something |
| 01:58.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Punchline, copy the content to somewhere else |
| 01:58.16 | Skyfire | before he deletes it |
| 01:58.19 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 01:58.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Exactly :) |
| 01:58.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm not deleting it until you've got a copy |
| 01:59.05 | Punchline | What if I never got a copy? o.o |
| 01:59.13 | Kirkburn|afk | The article is still there, copy it |
| 01:59.34 | Skyfire | to microsoft word or notepad |
| 01:59.37 | Punchline | Nah. I'm good. |
| 02:00.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Namespace is related to OOP? If so, yeah |
| 02:00.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Punchline, okay, going to remove it now. |
| 02:01.11 | Shirik | Yeah it is |
| 02:01.20 | Punchline | Okay. |
| 02:01.21 | Shirik | in fact, that's where WoWWiki's concept of "namespace" comes from |
| 02:01.25 | Shirik | er, Wikipedia's |
| 02:01.31 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:01.32 | Shirik | It's the same concept |
| 02:01.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Sure then :) |
| 02:02.18 | Shirik | ok :) |
| 02:02.53 | Shirik | Just we never had an article on Lua namespaces yet, and after writing that article yesterday I figured I'd complete the other half of the concept with an article on OOP |
| 02:02.53 | Kirkburn|afk | So, now that's done. Welcome to everyone that joined us over the last half hour :P |
| 02:03.06 | ChrisZion | Hi |
| 02:03.14 | Skyfire | Shirik, you should demote the headers :/ |
| 02:03.38 | Shirik | Er... call me a noob but |
| 02:03.40 | Shirik | what does that mean >< |
| 02:04.06 | Skyfire | well, your equals signs... the lowest number of equals signs your page should have is 2 on each side of the headers |
| 02:04.29 | Skyfire | having 1 on each side makes bad coding |
| 02:04.36 | Skyfire | i'll do it for you if you're not sure what i mean :] |
| 02:04.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye |
| 02:04.52 | Kirkburn|afk | The number of == is equal to the heading level |
| 02:04.58 | Punchline | Gawd... More interwebz drama. |
| 02:05.09 | Kirkburn|afk | H1 should only ever appear once on a page - and it's the title of the page |
| 02:05.23 | Kirkburn|afk | H2 is what the section headers should be |
| 02:05.38 | ChrisZion | Sky, is it safe to remove the talk note you left for me |
| 02:05.39 | *** part/#wowwiki Punchline (n=uncisbet@117-116.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 02:05.52 | Shirik | ah |
| 02:05.52 | Skyfire | feel free to :) |
| 02:05.57 | Shirik | I thought it started with one |
| 02:05.58 | Shirik | thanks |
| 02:06.12 | Skyfire | well, it does start with one. but that makes bad coding. so we start with 2 |
| 02:06.13 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 02:06.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Glad to see WoWRadio people on here (didn't feel like saying that until Punchline left) |
| 02:06.38 | Skyfire | there's a couple pages out there that still have h1 headers |
| 02:07.12 | Skyfire | section headers* |
| 02:07.36 | Skyfire | so when did fandy decide to come out of the woodworks? :O |
| 02:07.39 | Kirkburn|afk | The WoWRadio article could possibly do with a bit of a tidy up - or perhaps splitting into two articles? One about what it is, one listing all the shows? |
| 02:08.07 | ChrisZion | I will pass the info over, I am just a supporter/ex-staffer |
| 02:08.15 | Skyfire | holy shit, that thing is long |
| 02:08.26 | Skyfire | :x |
| 02:08.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Tell it like it is |
| 02:08.40 | MacHarborGuy | heh, the page is quite long, as it also includes info on older shows which are still available via archives |
| 02:09.07 | MacHarborGuy | maybe WoW_Radio and WoW_Radio_Shows? |
| 02:09.09 | ChrisZion | I was just about to paste that to you on our irc Mac |
| 02:09.10 | Skyfire | i'd put the old shows on a page like http://www.wowwiki.com/WoW Radio/Old Shows |
| 02:09.13 | Skyfire | >_> |
| 02:09.20 | Maxmaps | If you consider it pertinent im all for it, much as I like to paint myself all knowing you're the expert in the field. |
| 02:09.23 | Kirkburn|afk | A sub-page would probably be better |
| 02:09.24 | Skyfire | lol@kirk |
| 02:09.31 | Skyfire | XD |
| 02:09.57 | Kirkburn|afk | I would suggest having Shows on a subpage |
| 02:10.08 | Kirkburn|afk | You could even make a nav box for it |
| 02:10.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Tell you what, I can do it for you if you like? |
| 02:10.33 | MacHarborGuy | that would be cool, if it isn't too much trouble |
| 02:10.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Should only take a few mins :) |
| 02:11.23 | Skyfire | who bork the wiki? |
| 02:11.38 | Skyfire | my internet bork the wiki :x |
| 02:14.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Hrm |
| 02:14.13 | Skyfire | whoa |
| 02:14.13 | Skyfire | maybe it wasnt my internet |
| 02:14.13 | Shirik | umm |
| 02:14.14 | Shirik | I didn't do it >< |
| 02:14.14 | ChrisZion | I am blaming Punchline >.> |
| 02:14.14 | Skyfire | s* |
| 02:14.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Can't see why it happened |
| 02:14.14 | Kirkburn|afk | nvm |
| 02:15.57 | Skyfire | loltheorycraft |
| 02:16.32 | MacHarborGuy | theorycraft? as in the show Alris and myself are on? |
| 02:16.46 | Skyfire | yeah |
| 02:16.46 | *** join/#wowwiki Karrion (n=kieron@corp-gw01.imrworldwide.com) |
| 02:16.46 | MacHarborGuy | :D |
| 02:16.46 | Skyfire | ;p |
| 02:16.54 | Skyfire | i've never been on wowradio, so this could be an interesting venture. |
| 02:16.54 | ChrisZion | That remind me i gotta grab the podcast for that |
| 02:17.27 | MacHarborGuy | I will start using Twitter for show topic announcements and announce when the preshow starts |
| 02:17.40 | MacHarborGuy | got a few requests, and I happen to have an unused twitter account |
| 02:17.59 | Skyfire | that's a small box kirkburn |
| 02:18.00 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:18.03 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 02:18.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Ripe for expansion |
| 02:18.10 | Skyfire | true |
| 02:18.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Fixing up the articles now |
| 02:18.47 | Skyfire | learn2tank, imo |
| 02:18.51 | Skyfire | :P |
| 02:20.03 | Skyfire | definitely lern2thret |
| 02:22.18 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:22.24 | Skyfire | aggrolol |
| 02:22.44 | Skyfire | if you're the tank, that's good. if you're not, that's bad. |
| 02:23.48 | ChrisZion | I started playing my warrior again today. From 4.3K hp at lvl 60 to 5.7K and +200 AP at lvl 61 |
| 02:24.21 | ChrisZion | crazy gear upgrades for my almost full valor tauren |
| 02:24.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, WoW Radio guys, I've given the pages an overhaul |
| 02:25.13 | Skyfire | full valor ftl |
| 02:25.16 | Skyfire | xD |
| 02:25.33 | MacHarborGuy | Kirk: cool beans |
| 02:25.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Split into 3 pages, info, current and future shows, past shows |
| 02:25.56 | Skyfire | i'm pretty sure it's 3 seconds per pulse mac... |
| 02:25.57 | Skyfire | :X |
| 02:26.10 | ChrisZion | Its 2 secs |
| 02:26.20 | Skyfire | o_0 |
| 02:26.27 | ChrisZion | I found that out the hard way |
| 02:26.31 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:26.40 | Skyfire | i haven't played since last september >_> |
| 02:26.47 | bleeter | oh, yeah, seeing the wow radio guys are here... are your RSS feeds dead atm? |
| 02:26.51 | Kirkburn|afk | I have this odd feeling you're all listening to something I'm not ... |
| 02:27.08 | Skyfire | http://www.wcradio.com/archive/theorycraft/wow-wot-03-27-2007.mp3 |
| 02:27.09 | ChrisZion | Gruul engaged *2 secs* your res was inurupted |
| 02:27.16 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:27.19 | ChrisZion | huntards ninja pulling Gruul ftl |
| 02:27.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyway, at all of you ... feel free to idle in the channel :) |
| 02:27.31 | Kirkburn|afk | I should go make myself some more food |
| 02:27.34 | ChrisZion | I will ;> |
| 02:28.03 | Skyfire | i'm sad... sko isn't here ;( |
| 02:28.08 | Skyfire | i like sko |
| 02:28.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Stalker |
| 02:28.34 | Kirkburn|afk | ~seen Skosiris |
| 02:29.00 | infobot | skosiris <n=sdgdsg@modemcable244.155-201-24.mc.videotron.ca> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 4d 19h 13m 51s ago, saying: 'O_o'. |
| 02:29.02 | bleeter | WTB: WoW Radio person who's awake :P |
| 02:29.22 | MacHarborGuy | I am a WoW Radio who is awake |
| 02:29.24 | ChrisZion | <- |
| 02:29.25 | Skyfire | 4 days ago |
| 02:29.27 | Skyfire | o_0 |
| 02:29.34 | Skyfire | wonder what he's working on :x |
| 02:29.36 | bleeter | are your RSS feeds dead atm? |
| 02:29.45 | ChrisZion | Nope i just used one |
| 02:29.47 | Kirkburn|afk | That's odd, I thought he was on yesterdar |
| 02:29.51 | Kirkburn|afk | *yesterday |
| 02:29.59 | MacHarborGuy | which RSS feed are you having issues with? |
| 02:30.01 | Bibi`ouF | [05:30:42] * Skosiris (n=sdgdsg@modemcable244.155-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) Quit |
| 02:30.04 | Bibi`ouF | he was here 23 hours ago :) |
| 02:30.14 | Kirkburn|afk | wtf, eh |
| 02:30.14 | bleeter | I'm assuming you're the wcradio folks.. maybe i'm wrong |
| 02:30.28 | MacHarborGuy | I am a host on one of the shows |
| 02:30.29 | bleeter | if so, http://www.wcradio.com/feeds/ points to a page that then 404's |
| 02:30.40 | MacHarborGuy | ah |
| 02:30.46 | MacHarborGuy | try the front page |
| 02:31.02 | MacHarborGuy | there is a block in the center of the page, right below the banner, that has feed links |
| 02:31.18 | *** join/#wowwiki MagicTroll (n=Buhdacru@75-129-134-150.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) |
| 02:31.19 | MacHarborGuy | I will bring it up with management about fixing that |
| 02:31.24 | bleeter | ah |
| 02:31.28 | MagicTroll | free gold http://www.wowgold4free.com/?ref=1256 |
| 02:31.36 | bleeter | the word 'feed' and 'podcast' are gfx, no wonder I couldn't search for the text ;) |
| 02:31.44 | *** kick/#wowwiki [MagicTroll!n=Kirkburn@82-32-40-219.cable.ubr06.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] by Kirkburn|afk (Kirkburn|afk) |
| 02:31.45 | Skyfire | kirkburn |
| 02:31.46 | Skyfire | ty |
| 02:31.56 | Skyfire | lol |
| 02:32.04 | Gryphen | lol |
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| 02:32.10 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+b *!*@75-129-134-150.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com] by Gryphen |
| 02:32.13 | *** kick/#WOWWIKI [MagicTroll!n=masked@c-76-104-130-0.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] by Gryphen (%%% 1 Kicks %%%) |
| 02:32.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Damn, you beat me |
| 02:32.20 | Skyfire | owned |
| 02:33.19 | Skyfire | what about invisibility?... or is this a really old broadcast? |
| 02:33.20 | bleeter | MacHarborGuy: thanks mate :) |
| 02:33.27 | Skyfire | :X |
| 02:35.00 | bleeter | the project being http://www.greatdarkplanet.org/ |
| 02:35.17 | bleeter | name kindly suggested by mr baggins in here :) |
| 02:37.55 | Skyfire | huh |
| 02:37.59 | Skyfire | didn't know that |
| 02:39.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, funky |
| 02:40.06 | bleeter | problem is atm, way too much data |
| 02:40.33 | bleeter | i'm working on some stuff to split the feeds into seperate areas, UI, news, movies, etc. |
| 02:41.14 | bleeter | the free blogs are a test zone at the moment, have some pretty nifty stuff in dev at the moment for them tho ;) |
| 02:43.57 | bleeter | one day I'll even hassle the wiki admins to come up with something approaching a bunch of feeds, but I don't think that'd be a high priority for them atm ;) |
| 02:45.10 | Kirkburn|afk | God I wish I had a website like Nihilum's |
| 02:45.25 | bleeter | aye |
| 02:45.25 | bleeter | as in, me too |
| 02:45.35 | bleeter | not that your website is sooo suck, etc. |
| 02:45.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Aww, I thought you wanted me to have one :( |
| 02:45.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Do you know what my websites are like? |
| 02:45.59 | bleeter | can't be worse than mine! hehe |
| 02:46.18 | Kirkburn|afk | type kirkburn and then put an .eu after it :) |
| 02:46.38 | bleeter | echo "<html><head><title>baa</title><head><body>BaaaaaaAAAaaa!!!</body></html>">index.html |
| 02:46.48 | bleeter | gah, I flunked that |
| 02:53.47 | *** join/#wowwiki Skosiris (n=sdgdsg@modemcable244.155-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 02:57.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Skyfire, meet Skosiris. Skosiris, meet Skyfire. ;) |
| 02:57.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Lo Skosiris |
| 02:59.43 | bleeter | bleeter, meet the coffee mug |
| 03:01.26 | Skyfire | LOL@Kirk |
| 03:01.30 | Skyfire | was afk |
| 03:01.33 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 03:01.39 | Skyfire | back to being afk for me |
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| 03:05.46 | Skosiris | is the "A, meet B. B, meet A" quote some inside joke? :p |
| 03:06.16 | Bibi`ouF | They were just looking for you i guess |
| 03:06.28 | Bibi`ouF | [04:28:30] <Kirkburn|afk> ~seen Skosiris |
| 03:06.31 | Bibi`ouF | 30 minutes ago actually |
| 03:06.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Also: |
| 03:06.45 | Kirkburn|afk | <Skyfire> i'm sad... sko isn't here ;( |
| 03:06.45 | Kirkburn|afk | <Skyfire> i like sko |
| 03:07.40 | Skosiris | I missed you too :) |
| 03:07.45 | Sky|afk | lol |
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| 03:14.58 | ChrisZion | Ok added a wiki page for my guild, hope I covered all the policy stuff >.> |
| 03:15.49 | ChrisZion | Aww crap L2 not write pages when half asleep |
| 03:18.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Nice spelling :P |
| 03:18.46 | ChrisZion | Ya |
| 03:18.52 | Skyfire | lol, me > kirkburn |
| 03:18.54 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 03:19.21 | Skyfire | beat you by 2 minutes |
| 03:19.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Deleted the wrongly named one, looks good ChrisZion |
| 03:19.31 | ChrisZion | Thanks |
| 03:20.21 | ChrisZion | To sleep or power another level with my cow =/ |
| 03:21.05 | Skyfire | sleep imo |
| 03:21.22 | Skyfire | you can power your cow tomorrow ;P |
| 03:21.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, I love Neth's sig - http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ninja_turtles.png |
| 03:23.16 | Skyfire | i laughed |
| 03:28.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Props to Cairenn for this - http://eq2.allakhazam.com/images/Random%20Images/gogo-googlemaps.jpg |
| 03:29.31 | Bibi`ouF | why would you swim to france first when you can directly reach your destination ? google maps suck. |
| 03:29.52 | Maxmaps | Kirkburn, anychance some of the WoWwiki crew would be up for an interveiw? |
| 03:30.24 | Bibi`ouF | oh yeah, gief an interview too. i can speak french. |
| 03:30.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, not sure |
| 03:31.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Problem with WoWWiki is that's not got a 'management' as such. Plus I'm shy :) |
| 03:32.01 | Maxmaps | Aww. |
| 03:32.05 | ChrisZion | Its easy |
| 03:32.22 | ChrisZion | Just talk to the strange mexican like you would talk to your mates on vent :p |
| 03:32.37 | Maxmaps | Im spanish :P |
| 03:32.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Dunno about the other admins though |
| 03:32.47 | ChrisZion | Swedish >.> |
| 03:33.23 | Maxmaps | Lol |
| 03:33.43 | Kirkburn|afk | The other admins often come on, so ask again tomorrow |
| 03:34.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Meanwhile, I'll think about it |
| 03:34.16 | Skyfire | du e svenska? |
| 03:34.29 | Maxmaps | Well, at any rate we'd be more than happy to have you here, if you can bring it up to the rest of the team it would be awesome, atleast there would be something positive to the whole issue today :P |
| 03:34.39 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm scared we'd get people questions about the lore all night ;) |
| 03:35.00 | bleeter | I'm outta here if that happens :P |
| 03:35.18 | bleeter | my own ranting last night was bad enough ;) |
| 03:35.59 | Skyfire | if somebody is interviewed from wowwiki, they have to be asked about our scrolls of lore forums interactions... :) |
| 03:38.30 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 03:40.22 | Maxmaps | Well, we'd be more than glad to interview a representative or a group or your admins or such about the project and everything around it, hope you give it a thought. For now, im off for dinner. |
| 03:40.52 | Maxmaps | Pleasure meeting you all. |
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| 04:20.57 | Skyfire | hmm |
| 04:31.03 | Kirkburn|afk | boo |
| 04:36.36 | Skyfire | hihi |
| 04:37.44 | bleeter | aargh! |
| 04:41.38 | Skyfire | no |
| 04:42.27 | Skyfire | kirkburn |
| 04:42.34 | Skyfire | lern to {{=)}} |
| 04:43.26 | Kirkburn|afk | :( |
| 04:43.48 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't suppose you've seen who made that templatE? |
| 04:43.52 | Kirkburn|afk | *template |
| 04:45.45 | Skyfire | who?... |
| 04:45.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Me! |
| 04:46.05 | Skyfire | lol |
| 04:46.06 | Skyfire | qq |
| 04:46.15 | Skyfire | lern2{{=)}} |
| 04:46.29 | Skyfire | long ass time ago you made that |
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| 04:53.04 | Skyfire | look at this todo list: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:DuTempete/Warlock_project |
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| 05:10.51 | ChrisZion | Thats alot of warlock stuff to do |
| 05:10.59 | ChrisZion | I will have a good look later as that my class |
| 05:12.56 | Skyfire | i like breaking wikis |
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| 06:22.20 | Skyfire | sure is quiet... |
| 06:22.23 | Skyfire | too quiet |
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| 06:31.02 | Skyfire | baggins!!!!! |
| 06:31.39 | Bagginsww | hi |
| 06:33.55 | Skyfire | how do you add a notoc to a document? |
| 06:33.56 | Skyfire | :X |
| 06:34.13 | Shirik | um |
| 06:34.16 | Shirik | type it in? |
| 06:34.38 | Skyfire | -_- |
| 06:34.52 | Skyfire | lern2no-table of contents |
| 06:35.36 | Shirik | oh so that's not really a template |
| 06:35.44 | Shirik | I figured since you abbreviated it, it existed {{notoc}} |
| 06:35.44 | bleeter | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/29/amazon_deal/ |
| 06:39.30 | Skyfire | ah |
| 06:39.34 | Skyfire | __NOTOC__ |
| 06:39.36 | Skyfire | -_- |
| 06:39.54 | Shirik | told you |
| 06:40.00 | Shirik | just type it in :P |
| 06:40.03 | Bagginsww | sorry I don't know much about details of templates and the like :p |
| 06:40.40 | Skyfire | it's not a template |
| 06:40.49 | Skyfire | no, I was typing _NOTOC_, not __NOTOC__ |
| 06:40.52 | Skyfire | ;( |
| 06:40.57 | Shirik | :( |
| 06:43.05 | Skyfire | baggis |
| 06:43.07 | Skyfire | baggins* |
| 06:44.08 | bleeter | kinky |
| 06:44.21 | Skyfire | lol |
| 06:44.43 | bleeter | There is no such nick bletter |
| 06:44.49 | bleeter | i was hoping to poke them too |
| 06:44.56 | bleeter | whois must lie |
| 06:46.59 | bleeter | OI! |
| 06:48.46 | Bagginsww | so to go afk, is /afk? |
| 06:49.12 | Skyfire | uh... in irc or in game? |
| 06:49.15 | Bagginsww | irc |
| 06:49.19 | Skyfire | dunno |
| 06:49.23 | Skyfire | not in irdc |
| 06:49.26 | Skyfire | lol |
| 06:49.54 | Skyfire | btw, where did you get http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Oldhighelfs.jpg from? |
| 06:50.36 | Bagginsww | manga |
| 06:51.01 | Skyfire | thought so |
| 06:51.11 | Skyfire | sunwell? |
| 06:51.34 | Bagginsww | ghostlands ya |
| 06:51.40 | Bagginsww | 3rd book of sunwell |
| 06:51.49 | Shirik | I need to pick that up |
| 06:52.42 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 06:52.58 | Skyfire | my bro just bought roth this past weekend; i actually have to read it ;p |
| 06:54.26 | Bagginsww | nice |
| 06:54.28 | Bagginsww | its a short read |
| 07:09.11 | Skyfire | SPLISH SPLASH I WAS TAKIN A BATH |
| 07:21.55 | Kirkburn|afk | um, okay? |
| 07:22.40 | bleeter | Bagginsww: /afk is /away <optional message> |
| 07:22.54 | Bagginsww | thanks |
| 07:23.07 | bleeter | tho some people will just change their nicks instead.. won't they Kirkburn|afk |
| 07:23.20 | Shirik | I saw him not afk yesterday! |
| 07:23.23 | Shirik | I was amazed |
| 07:23.29 | bleeter | I think it was an imposter |
| 07:23.32 | Shirik | probably |
| 07:23.34 | bleeter | mad hax |
| 07:23.53 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 07:24.04 | Bagginsww | I wonder when LOTR beta begins today |
| 07:24.16 | bleeter | wonder if I'll care ;) |
| 07:24.23 | Shirik | I don't know but I do know the LOTRO division of my guild has this whole schedule set up, I laughed |
| 07:24.27 | Shirik | each of them is on for one hour |
| 07:24.31 | Shirik | trying to log in that entire hour |
| 07:24.31 | bleeter | I mean that nicest possible way... .NET crap |
| 07:24.35 | Shirik | so they know the very minute it's up |
| 07:24.41 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:24.43 | Shirik | they have the whole day planned out |
| 07:24.55 | Shirik | Problem is there's another identically named guild on the same server, so... they want to secure the name |
| 07:24.55 | Bagginsww | I'm going to spend a few hours on a hobbit |
| 07:25.00 | Bagginsww | and then a dwarf |
| 07:25.06 | bleeter | at least LotRO won't be plagued by ewwww Mac users |
| 07:25.12 | Bagginsww | unfortunutely I won't be around my computer for most of the day :p |
| 07:25.22 | bleeter | damn,t hat shoulda been in quote |
| 07:25.26 | Bagginsww | I have to go interview my aunt for a ethnography project |
| 07:25.27 | bleeter | sure I saw it in a press release |
| 07:25.49 | Bagginsww | Another of my aunts tried to sells pitch a mac to my dad :p |
| 07:25.58 | Bagginsww | "blah blah doesnt get virus" blah blah |
| 07:26.32 | bleeter | that's so not true |
| 07:26.35 | Shirik | strange |
| 07:26.35 | Bagginsww | The user interface and all programs are interconnected in mac as a single operating system, unlike windows :p |
| 07:26.37 | bleeter | iirc, there was one last year |
| 07:26.41 | Bagginsww | ya there was |
| 07:26.45 | Shirik | my windows copy has never gotten infected :/ |
| 07:26.58 | Shirik | Then again I don't use a virus scanner so I guess I would never know |
| 07:27.01 | Bagginsww | Its easy not to be infected as long you take precautins |
| 07:27.01 | Kirkburn|afk | God I love Steam, bought another game this morning for $10, Xpand Rally |
| 07:27.18 | Bagginsww | ya, but only reason I wouldn't choose mac is it limits software choices :p |
| 07:27.29 | Bagginsww | as a gamer I need all options open :) |
| 07:27.34 | Shirik | heh |
| 07:27.38 | Kirkburn|afk | I need Steam, for example :) |
| 07:27.42 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 07:27.43 | bleeter | god don't say that.. you'll ahve all the mac users screaming 'boot camp' |
| 07:27.56 | bleeter | and all the Winers.. well.. Wining |
| 07:28.10 | Bagginsww | actually I wouldn't mind having a mac, for some things, but my IBM would have the most use |
| 07:28.52 | Bagginsww | its kind of like how I don't side against nintendo or sony, LOL |
| 07:28.54 | Bagginsww | stupid fanboys |
| 07:28.56 | Bagginsww | I love both |
| 07:29.24 | Bagginsww | DS has most use, although I use PSP for some things |
| 07:29.32 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 07:29.52 | Bagginsww | Call of Duty: Roads to Adventure was fun :) |
| 07:29.59 | Bagginsww | *Roads ot Victory I mean |
| 07:30.12 | Skyfire | i hate steam |
| 07:30.21 | Bagginsww | I hate valve |
| 07:30.46 | Bagginsww | why they split up Aftermath and force people to buy it in chunks I'll never know :p |
| 07:31.10 | Bagginsww | luckily I borrowed someone's steam account to uh play episode 1 :p |
| 07:31.57 | Bagginsww | but I don't feel like paying what is it total of $120 for what should have been a single game? |
| 07:32.10 | Bagginsww | 6 episodes at $20 a piece |
| 07:33.08 | Bagginsww | if they release all 6 episodes for $40-60 at some point I'll think about it |
| 07:33.32 | bleeter | only thing I give Sony credit for... is working out what those dumb yankee boys couldn't. ie, what good a transistor is. |
| 07:33.49 | Bagginsww | ... |
| 07:34.12 | bleeter | 'strue. sat on the shelf @ TI for .. or wherever, for a couple of year, 'til Sony put it inside a cassette player |
| 07:34.33 | bleeter | until then, it was 'useful for some scientific applications' |
| 07:34.47 | Shirik | heh |
| 07:34.56 | Shirik | sony is smart |
| 07:35.00 | Shirik | but they do things so stupid |
| 07:35.01 | Bagginsww | Uh you instault the americans, but woudn't that mean the Japanese beat all western world? |
| 07:35.04 | Bagginsww | *insult |
| 07:35.50 | Bagginsww | I mean Japan being ahead as far as uses for transister :p |
| 07:36.25 | bleeter | well, if Sony hadn't picked up on the idea, they would've just been a brand name that sank into obscurity, or bought out later, etc. |
| 07:36.33 | bleeter | so, I give them credit for that |
| 07:36.53 | Bagginsww | ya, well sounds like its fault of not just Americans, :) |
| 07:37.27 | bleeter | true, for sure, but the inventors etc. prolly just weren't thinking laterally enough ;) |
| 07:37.30 | bleeter | here's another good one |
| 07:37.44 | bleeter | inventors of the integrated circuit, and which decade? |
| 07:37.55 | Shirik | I'm supposed to know that |
| 07:37.58 | Shirik | I learned it last semester >.> |
| 07:38.00 | Bagginsww | I've found a general problem with Western invention thought, that is once something is released, they thought htey couldn't do anything else with it :p |
| 07:38.27 | Bagginsww | uh wasn't there use of giant integrated circuits as far back as 1930's or so? |
| 07:38.34 | bleeter | Bagginsww: correct :) |
| 07:38.40 | bleeter | German invention, circa 1936 |
| 07:38.46 | bleeter | circuit with three valves on top |
| 07:38.54 | Bagginsww | they had a cool computer during WW2 |
| 07:38.58 | bleeter | most people confuse 'IC' with 'Silicon Chip' |
| 07:39.06 | Shirik | hrm, wikipedia disagrees |
| 07:39.10 | Shirik | probably for teh same reason you just explained |
| 07:39.13 | Shirik | but... "The integrated circuit was first conceived by a radar scientist, Geoffrey W.A. Dummer (born 1909), working for the Royal Radar Establishment of the British Ministry of Defence, and published in Washington, D.C. on May 7, 1952. Dummer unsuccessfully attempted to build such a circuit in 1956." |
| 07:39.33 | Bagginsww | well question was conceived on paper, or practical use |
| 07:39.52 | bleeter | my old man's got a reference book.. somewhere |
| 07:39.56 | Shirik | well it says it was conceived in 1952 :P |
| 07:40.03 | Shirik | so if they existed in 1930, that's obviously wrong |
| 07:40.12 | Bagginsww | ya but there was a computer in ww2 used for deciphering code |
| 07:40.23 | Shirik | that the enigma? |
| 07:40.27 | Bagginsww | nah |
| 07:40.27 | Shirik | what was the enigma again :/ |
| 07:40.28 | Shirik | hmm |
| 07:40.31 | bleeter | and rounding up jews *cough* |
| 07:40.33 | Shirik | I forgot all my history >< |
| 07:40.47 | Skyfire | ... |
| 07:41.03 | Bagginsww | enigma was black box that could type out code or unscramble it |
| 07:41.03 | Shirik | is that the greek thing? |
| 07:41.09 | Bagginsww | but it wasn't digital |
| 07:41.17 | Bagginsww | or even analog computer |
| 07:41.27 | Bagginsww | it was just a machine |
| 07:41.34 | Shirik | ah I was right! |
| 07:41.38 | Shirik | It was from WWII though |
| 07:41.42 | Shirik | so I got half right :P |
| 07:41.43 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 07:41.51 | Bagginsww | and it was repeatedly updated |
| 07:41.55 | bleeter | think it's the Deutches Museum, in Munich... got a lot of the old gear restored to museum piece quality |
| 07:42.01 | Bagginsww | so allies had to find dozens of them |
| 07:42.09 | Bagginsww | to keep track of the codes |
| 07:42.29 | Bagginsww | but no the computer I'm talking about, was created towards latter half of the war I think |
| 07:42.33 | bleeter | although I prolly spelt that wrong |
| 07:42.37 | Bagginsww | let me see if I can find it |
| 07:42.49 | Bagginsww | keep on thinking it started with U |
| 07:43.43 | Bagginsww | like Ultimate or something |
| 07:43.43 | bleeter | Colossus? |
| 07:43.56 | Bagginsww | uh that's it |
| 07:44.07 | Bagginsww | somehow my mind was throwing in synonym :p |
| 07:44.46 | Bagginsww | now to look it up and see how it functioned |
| 07:44.51 | Bagginsww | might have just been completley analog |
| 07:44.52 | bleeter | my other fun 'dumb inventor' story... supersonic flight. the story goes the brits had a lot of the work done, the US asked to look at it. US got all the original paperwork, then declared them state secrets and wouldn't hand them back. |
| 07:45.07 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 07:45.07 | bleeter | *theoretical work |
| 07:45.55 | Bagginsww | state secrets in a country that's supposed to have free speech seems almost like a contradiction |
| 07:46.21 | Bagginsww | but its true history has its fair share of censorshp :p |
| 07:46.25 | Skyfire | ... |
| 07:46.30 | bleeter | particularly when they're another country's work |
| 07:46.49 | Skyfire | i'm not even going to go into that "contradiction", as it isn't really one |
| 07:47.49 | Bagginsww | reminds me though of how other countries prevented knowledge of how to make certain technologies to the US |
| 07:48.06 | Bagginsww | like for example cotton gin |
| 07:48.17 | Bagginsww | and someone had to secretly bring it over, by memorizing it |
| 07:48.31 | Skyfire | pretttttttty sure that was invented in the us |
| 07:48.37 | Skyfire | eli whitney, imo |
| 07:48.51 | Bagginsww | uh ya he mechanized it |
| 07:48.56 | Bagginsww | there was an earlier version |
| 07:49.19 | Skyfire | of the cotton gin? |
| 07:49.22 | Skyfire | ... |
| 07:49.26 | Bagginsww | well not cotton gin |
| 07:49.35 | Bagginsww | but a way of seperating the seeds |
| 07:49.39 | Bagginsww | not as efficient |
| 07:49.43 | Skyfire | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_gin |
| 07:50.19 | bleeter | it's on wikipedia! it must be true! |
| 07:50.29 | Bagginsww | wikipedia discusses some of the controversy |
| 07:50.31 | Skyfire | there've been studies |
| 07:50.36 | Bagginsww | on who invented what |
| 07:50.54 | Skyfire | that wiki has just as many errors as encyclopedia britannica |
| 07:51.09 | Skyfire | wiki's a lot more accessible though. :) |
| 07:51.19 | Bagginsww | well considering 90% of wiki is plagiarized from sources like Britanica; :) |
| 07:51.39 | Skyfire | sources "like"... what? |
| 07:51.50 | Bagginsww | I mean other encyclipedias |
| 07:51.56 | Bagginsww | without citations |
| 07:51.59 | Skyfire | just looking at the cotton gin page, i see no links to other encyclopedias |
| 07:52.10 | Skyfire | excuse me, there's one |
| 07:52.30 | Skyfire | http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/phillips.cottongin |
| 07:54.06 | Bagginsww | heh |
| 07:54.40 | Skyfire | ;) |
| 07:54.50 | Skyfire | that hardly qualifies as 90% |
| 07:57.05 | Bagginsww | But ya if not early preconcepts for cotton/seed seperation, there were apparently other technologies that were brought over by memory since the technical charts were guarded secrets. Although I can't remember other examples. |
| 07:57.32 | Skyfire | try the idea of factories ;P |
| 07:57.43 | Skyfire | not sure of his name off the top of my head though... |
| 07:57.46 | Bagginsww | but in most cases it was a matter of raw product having to be shipped over to europe to be processed |
| 07:58.08 | Skyfire | i know he was an engineer... |
| 07:58.10 | Skyfire | :x |
| 07:58.26 | Bagginsww | which cost americans alot of money, they didn't get much money in return and then europeans could go back around and sell the finished products back to the US at enflated prices |
| 07:59.36 | Skyfire | i should try digging around in my ap us history book :x |
| 08:00.17 | Bagginsww | Ya i'm sure the examples ar ein there |
| 08:01.46 | Bagginsww | But ya its true US "stole" technology, LOL |
| 08:02.06 | Bagginsww | its happed alot :p |
| 08:02.10 | Bagginsww | *happened |
| 08:03.07 | Skyfire | ehh |
| 08:04.15 | Bagginsww | well its only way to describe people having to sneak in plans for technology as contraband, when it was against the law to carry any such schematics there legally. |
| 08:04.58 | Bagginsww | to be fair it wasn't US specifically, but usually individual companies, ;) |
| 08:05.13 | Shirik | The people who steal usually win |
| 08:05.15 | Shirik | look at Microsoft |
| 08:05.35 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 08:05.48 | Skyfire | lol |
| 08:05.50 | Skyfire | truth |
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| 08:07.02 | Bagginsww | it happens subconsiossly sometimes or at least hopefully subconciously |
| 08:07.30 | Bagginsww | one programmer works for one company, learns a particurally efficient way of doing things |
| 08:07.37 | Bagginsww | then gets hired by another company :p |
| 08:07.49 | Shirik | you know what would solve all these problems? |
| 08:07.49 | Bagginsww | and mysteriously the same kind of programming crops up :p |
| 08:07.52 | Shirik | Open source. |
| 08:07.57 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 08:08.12 | Bagginsww | to name an example I remember |
| 08:08.23 | Bagginsww | EA sued Activision |
| 08:08.52 | Bagginsww | because some of the routines in Call of Duty were "mysteriously" similar to routines used in Medal of Honor Allied Assault |
| 08:09.07 | Skyfire | lol |
| 08:09.10 | Bagginsww | so they sued programmers that worked on both |
| 08:09.22 | Bagginsww | and Activision for stealing their technology |
| 08:09.31 | Bagginsww | I don't think it actually went anywhere though |
| 08:10.29 | Shirik | I don't think they really can |
| 08:10.38 | Shirik | I wouldn't be suprised if they could sue the employee in question |
| 08:10.43 | Shirik | but not the company |
| 08:11.21 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 08:12.11 | Bagginsww | but that's the problem employee probably just programmed it that way based on experience, and efficiency :p |
| 08:12.11 | Shirik | yeah |
| 08:12.33 | Bagginsww | Not in a concious intent to steal the technology :p |
| 08:12.56 | Bagginsww | and why should programmers have to rethink how to do things if they had a way that worked well? |
| 08:13.21 | Bagginsww | then the question comes down what was really EA's technology? and not perhaps ID's |
| 08:13.49 | Bagginsww | since it was all based on a slightly modified quake engine |
| 08:13.57 | Bagginsww | Quake III IIRC |
| 08:16.04 | Bagginsww | well gnight all |
| 08:16.57 | Shirik | night |
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| 09:28.09 | Adys | lo peeps |
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| 10:07.51 | Skyfire | interesting choice of resurrection |
| 10:07.51 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 10:09.53 | Skyfire | so would you allow reward to be [[quest reward|reward]] adys? :x |
| 10:10.07 | Adys | hm? |
| 10:10.12 | Adys | oh the bp |
| 10:10.15 | Skyfire | si |
| 10:10.34 | Adys | if you feel like changing the couple of thousand pages already created sure :P |
| 10:10.39 | Skyfire | pft |
| 10:10.46 | Adys | I just want a standard so it's easy for bots to read |
| 10:10.59 | Skyfire | none of them do that kind of thing anyway... :x |
| 10:11.17 | Adys | yet |
| 10:11.23 | Skyfire | yet indeed |
| 10:11.36 | Adys | if I am to do a bot it's prob the first thing I'd work on personally |
| 10:11.45 | Adys | and Ive been thinking of doing one for quite long |
| 10:12.07 | Skyfire | ruh roh |
| 10:12.08 | Skyfire | ;P |
| 10:12.15 | Adys | btw sky |
| 10:12.40 | Adys | when you leave comments post-vandalism |
| 10:12.47 | Adys | try and keep them decent |
| 10:13.10 | Adys | "gtfo" doesnt arrange anything. Im sending an email to wowradio atm to sort that |
| 10:13.15 | Skyfire | lol |
| 10:13.21 | Skyfire | we got that sorted over irc :x |
| 10:13.28 | Adys | with them? |
| 10:13.34 | Skyfire | yar |
| 10:13.36 | Adys | k |
| 10:13.47 | Skyfire | i don't think that particular contributor was oe of them anyway |
| 10:13.51 | Skyfire | one* |
| 10:15.03 | Adys | ~logs |
| 10:15.07 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, logs is apt/ibot/infobot/jbot/purl all log daily to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz |
| 10:15.13 | Adys | thankyou |
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| 13:28.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, aww, no afk! |
| 13:28.26 | Adys | mm? |
| 13:28.28 | Adys | lol |
| 13:30.05 | Kirkburn|afk | So, I've got bored with waiting for my housemate to do his washing up |
| 13:30.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Almost 3 weeks now for most of it |
| 13:30.23 | Kirkburn|afk | So, now it's residing on the floor of his room |
| 13:30.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | ewww 0.o |
| 13:35.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes. |
| 13:35.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Very. |
| 13:35.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | its really hard to find a good roommate |
| 13:35.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats why I gave up on them |
| 13:35.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | and just got my own place -.- |
| 13:35.44 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 13:36.24 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm sure I've described this housemate before, but he's bigoted, a chauvenist and naive :/ |
| 13:36.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 13:36.37 | Kirkburn|afk | And also appears to believe in the "Washing up faery" |
| 13:36.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | XD |
| 13:37.22 | Kirkburn|afk | When there are women around, you don't want to be associated with him at all |
| 13:37.35 | Tuqui-tuqui | then get rid of him... |
| 13:37.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | nothing worse then a friend who messes with game |
| 13:37.49 | Kirkburn|afk | He's not a "bad" person though :/ |
| 13:37.49 | Tuqui-tuqui | *tsk*tsk* |
| 13:37.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | well get rid of him when around game! :D |
| 13:38.03 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
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| 13:52.17 | winkiller | woohoo, favicon :) |
| 13:52.20 | winkiller | great |
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| 14:51.21 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk |
| 14:51.23 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Server:Emerald_Dream_US |
| 14:51.36 | Bust | i read that |
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| 14:52.10 | Bust | so... why exactly do i have to agree on a guild description with someone who's not in the guild? |
| 14:52.46 | Adys | as i just wrote, i don't care about which description will be up |
| 14:52.57 | Adys | but I want one, that wont be disapproved by someone else |
| 14:53.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Is that the one where someone keeps removing the bit saying "many members are from xxxxx" |
| 14:53.59 | Bust | the one i created, the one our guild's officers approved is the one that is up... and that's not what it said |
| 14:54.12 | Bust | it said that the officers were from renascor as well as many other quality guilds |
| 14:54.33 | Adys | yea kirk |
| 14:54.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Personally I think Horks is just splitting hairs |
| 14:55.43 | Bust | ok, let me ask you this, when a person puts up a guild description for their guild, who's responsibility is it to maintain that? |
| 14:55.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Bust, I see no problem with your version, especially with the facts as you present them |
| 14:55.59 | Bust | facts are facts, all the officers were from renascor, theres nothing to disprove there |
| 14:56.01 | Adys | I don't see any problem with neither versions |
| 14:56.17 | Bust | the problem i have is that someone else is editing our description |
| 14:56.33 | Kirkburn|afk | No-one owns a page on the wiki, it's a fact of wiki-life |
| 14:56.38 | Bust | thus putting him on a vandal list because isn't that the definition of a vandal? |
| 14:57.03 | Kirkburn|afk | If he edits it to something that's untrue, or is removing large chunks of valid info /then/ they are a vandal |
| 14:57.20 | Kirkburn|afk | At the moment, he's just being petty :P |
| 14:57.50 | Adys | This is very simple |
| 14:57.53 | Bust | like i put down, if i edited renascor's guild description and took out anything of them withstanding the batterings of drama and all that bs, is that vandalism? |
| 14:58.00 | Adys | if you cant come to an agreement you remove this part of the description |
| 14:58.07 | Bust | i personally think it is |
| 14:58.48 | Adys | Bust, we have no way to prove anything over guilds |
| 14:58.50 | Bust | yeah, and if i thought that was a good idea i wouldn't be here asking about it |
| 14:59.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Am I to assume Horks is a member of Renascor? |
| 14:59.10 | Adys | I myself trust you but ive got no way to prove you're a member of Renascor yourself |
| 14:59.12 | Bust | beats me, it's not his character name |
| 14:59.23 | Bust | I'm not a member of renascor :P.. I'm a member of malitious intent |
| 14:59.24 | Bust | and |
| 14:59.26 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 14:59.35 | Adys | Er, MI yes soz |
| 14:59.42 | Bust | there's something called armory and the wow census |
| 14:59.46 | Bust | np |
| 14:59.48 | Bust | i knew what you meant :P |
| 15:00.06 | Lysistrata | Oo |
| 15:00.09 | Bust | armor will show i'm an officer of MI |
| 15:00.11 | Bust | err |
| 15:00.13 | Bust | armory |
| 15:00.26 | Bust | i also added the guild description because i'm in charge of stuff like that |
| 15:00.39 | Kirkburn|afk | The "offending" sentence - "The officers of Malicious Intent and most of our founding members are hard working former members of Renascor and have been in many other past quality guilds" |
| 15:00.55 | Bust | yeah... umm... what's wrong with that? |
| 15:01.07 | Bust | it's a fact |
| 15:01.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Impressions, man, impressions! |
| 15:01.39 | Bust | lol |
| 15:01.47 | Bust | what impressions? |
| 15:01.55 | Lysistrata | It's like "OMG WE ARE THE ROCKZZZZZ!" |
| 15:01.58 | Bust | i found his discussion on why he wanted that removed ludicrous |
| 15:02.37 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't see anything wrong with it, tbh |
| 15:03.04 | Adys | Malicious Intent has been around for a long time as players, and have experienced a good portion of end-game content, including the entirety of Blackwing Lair [...] |
| 15:03.07 | Kirkburn|afk | But the main thing, as Adys says, is that the edit war has to stop |
| 15:03.13 | Adys | why don't you just change it to that or something alike? |
| 15:03.51 | Bust | because we tell everyone that we used to be in renascor when they ask about our end game raiding experience? |
| 15:04.05 | Adys | Then you tell it on your website |
| 15:04.11 | Adys | or on your recruitment post, or anything |
| 15:04.26 | Hobinheim | adys, i like your style |
| 15:04.31 | Hobinheim | "that's the other way to stop edit wars" hahaha |
| 15:04.43 | Adys | Hey, its true |
| 15:04.53 | Lysistrata | *nods* |
| 15:05.27 | Adys | Anyways, I've had both sides on irc now so i think both are reasonable enough to come and talk about the problem |
| 15:05.42 | Lysistrata | I don't get why people get so upset about a Guild Description Oo" I wasn't here from the start but what exactly happend was the edit that bad? Oo |
| 15:06.06 | Adys | so Im just letting you guys some time to sort that. But i seriously don't want to hear about the problem anymore |
| 15:07.17 | Adys | and tbh what Lysistrata said |
| 15:12.36 | Bust | i just get upset when my guild description gets edited by someone not in the guild over semantics and silly bs |
| 15:12.58 | Bust | and when i ask him to stop and report him as a vandal for editing it, i get threatened with it being remoevd |
| 15:13.09 | Bust | imo that's assinine |
| 15:13.32 | Bust | especialyl when it's been edited back and forth like 6 times |
| 15:13.42 | Bust | back to the original description over and over |
| 15:14.17 | Bust | and that just proves that anyone can go play havok with guild descriptions that aren't theirs |
| 15:14.53 | Bust | and while i'm not petty to go and do that to renascor's guild description i think that makes a bad precedent |
| 15:16.43 | Bust | also considering i did the same thing when i was in renascor's guild, had someone constantly edit the description, reported him and he was banned... now it's reverse and i can't get someone to stop editing it |
| 15:26.47 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn|afk, you know how to deal with flamers and trolls |
| 15:26.52 | Hobinheim | first resist and CC |
| 15:26.58 | Hobinheim | *fire resist |
| 15:26.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Sigh, y'know what I really hate is when news stories label someone as a "convicted felon/criminal" and make no mention of what it was. You can be convicted of not paying a tax bill, it doesn't make you evil :/ |
| 15:27.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Bust, what you shouldn't engage in is an edit war |
| 15:28.03 | Kirkburn|afk | If one starts, be the person to report it, don't continue it |
| 15:28.09 | Bust | i did report it |
| 15:28.13 | Bust | twice |
| 15:28.20 | Kirkburn|afk | But you continued to revert, no? |
| 15:28.47 | Kirkburn|afk | In any case, you can be sure we're watching now :) |
| 15:28.49 | Bust | i thought the rules about that is to report, but you don't have to revert it back |
| 15:29.02 | Bust | i didn't know you shouldn't revert it back |
| 15:29.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Mass vandalism is when you don't have to revert, aye, we can do that easily |
| 15:30.06 | Kirkburn|afk | But this wasn't vandalism, just an edit war |
| 15:30.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Continually going back and forth between people doesn't resolve the issue, often it escalates it |
| 15:30.59 | Kirkburn|afk | *between edits |
| 15:31.00 | Bust | i revereted and reported |
| 15:31.08 | Bust | then i reverted and reported.... |
| 15:31.19 | Bust | i put in my comments for him to stop editing it |
| 15:31.39 | Bust | i didn't know i should just let it stand and report |
| 15:31.53 | Hobinheim | TANK WITH YOUR FACE! |
| 15:32.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, thank you Hob |
| 15:32.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Generally, the best response is to try and get a discussion going on the talk page or on the user talk pages |
| 15:33.14 | Kirkburn|afk | (especially if it's this kind of debate) |
| 15:33.43 | Hobinheim | the less flamey, the better |
| 15:33.49 | Hobinheim | always stick to rational arguments |
| 15:33.56 | Bust | ... seriously dude, what's to debate? the statement in question represents facts... |
| 15:33.59 | Hobinheim | and don't start attackign people or calling them dumbx0r even if they are |
| 15:34.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, that reminds me, we do have a policy on this! http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:3RR |
| 15:34.10 | Hobinheim | yeah that situation seems a little weird |
| 15:34.17 | Hobinheim | Kirkburn|afk, we have those neat shortcuts fore verything, hahaha |
| 15:34.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Possibly the most unused policy on the wiki :) |
| 15:34.24 | Hobinheim | http://wowwiki.com/WW:CAKE |
| 15:34.41 | Bust | umm |
| 15:34.45 | Bust | that doesn't apply.... |
| 15:34.49 | Bust | it says within a 24 hour period |
| 15:34.56 | Bust | the edits were in spans of days |
| 15:35.03 | Kirkburn|afk | The general idea is my point |
| 15:35.42 | Hobinheim | the Spirit +2 of the policy |
| 15:35.47 | Hobinheim | even though locks don't spec spirit |
| 15:36.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, you're in a weird mood today, aren't you :) |
| 15:36.13 | Hobinheim | it was a late night last night... |
| 15:36.17 | Hobinheim | i'm just at work bumming out |
| 15:36.20 | Hobinheim | also, i think i got a raise |
| 15:36.20 | Bust | well yeah i agree with that general rule though |
| 15:36.25 | Hobinheim | and my boss is calling for a meeting later today |
| 15:36.28 | Bust | heh |
| 15:36.29 | Hobinheim | so i'm kinda paranoid right now |
| 15:36.38 | Bust | raise/ bonus or yer fired |
| 15:36.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Bust, for now, let's just wait and see what happens |
| 15:36.58 | Bust | yeah, well, there's nothing for me to change or edit... i'm not going to do anything |
| 15:37.03 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 15:37.19 | Kirkburn|afk | I wonder when we'll next see our image vandal? =) |
| 15:37.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I think he visited yesterday |
| 15:38.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, no last visit was 17:25, 27 March 2007 as Tooj711 |
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| 15:44.30 | Hobinheim | aww don't wish for vandals |
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| 15:56.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim, mebbe it's like opposites ... when you hope for them, none appear! ;) |
| 15:56.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Opposite Ftw ... wait ... Ftl? |
| 15:56.52 | Kirkburn|afk | *Opposite's Day. |
| 15:58.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, Xpand Rally is cool |
| 16:00.10 | Hobinheim | i hope there's no lightning round *ZAP* |
| 16:00.22 | Hobinheim | gee.... i hope there's on.... ICE CREAM ROUND!!! *ZAP* |
| 16:00.33 | Kirkburn|afk | rofl |
| 16:00.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Afk-ness now |
| 16:00.51 | Kirkburn|afk | BBl |
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| 16:49.40 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: you there? |
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| 17:03.31 | kaso | Yay! |
| 17:03.34 | kaso | Working internet |
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| 17:13.06 | Adys | grats kaso =) |
| 17:13.19 | kaso | Stupid drivers took far too much work |
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| 17:59.35 | Adys | Heya TB |
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| 18:03.12 | TotalBiscuit | hi there |
| 18:07.40 | Adys | Kaso, beep |
| 18:08.36 | kaso | sup Adys |
| 18:08.49 | Adys | Was browsing a bit items and stuff |
| 18:08.59 | Adys | and i remembered this.. fluo mechanostrider or something |
| 18:09.10 | kaso | Oh yah the ones that arent in game |
| 18:09.14 | Adys | The story was on the EU forums a while ago |
| 18:09.22 | Adys | this guy got his mechanostrider replaced by a ghm |
| 18:09.27 | Adys | gm.. |
| 18:09.33 | kaso | oh? |
| 18:09.36 | Adys | a fluo one |
| 18:10.54 | Adys | something like that |
| 18:10.54 | Adys | I went on his server and he linked me it so it was actually true |
| 18:10.54 | Adys | do you think you could find it in the armory? |
| 18:10.58 | kaso | cant really say without testing |
| 18:11.12 | kaso | some things you should be able to see you cant, and some you shouldnt you can |
| 18:11.15 | Adys | I think.. i think i got the lootlink number somewhere in my archives |
| 18:11.27 | kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Icy_Blue_Mechanostrider_Mod_A |
| 18:11.28 | kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/White_Mechanostrider_Mod_A |
| 18:11.31 | kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Unpainted_Mechanostrider |
| 18:11.38 | Adys | Wasnt a Mod A |
| 18:11.42 | kaso | those arent "in game" but my bot found em on arm |
| 18:11.43 | Adys | Im pretty sure it was a Fluo |
| 18:11.50 | kaso | if you can find itemID it be awesome |
| 18:11.54 | Adys | aye |
| 18:12.00 | Adys | i think i got it, hope i didnt delete it |
| 18:12.43 | Adys | oh |
| 18:12.48 | Adys | I might actually even have the server |
| 18:12.52 | Adys | hold on |
| 18:13.14 | Adys | it was a pve server.. |
| 18:13.18 | Adys | with more horde than alliance |
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| 18:14.01 | Adys | think i deleted my char there.. :/ |
| 18:14.58 | Adys | ARGH |
| 18:16.18 | kaso | find your itemcache |
| 18:16.25 | Adys | kaso |
| 18:16.31 | Adys | it was about 9 months ago :P |
| 18:16.35 | kaso | oh |
| 18:16.40 | kaso | maybe a bit long then |
| 18:16.45 | Adys | lol |
| 18:16.54 | kaso | thought you meant recently |
| 18:17.02 | Adys | its seriously old |
| 18:17.34 | Adys | http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:NluFLbbzS6gJ:games.telenet.be/forum/archive/index.php/t-348305.html+fluo+mechanostrider&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=1&gl=fr&client=firefox-a what the hell is that? |
| 18:18.54 | kaso | its... in german? |
| 18:18.54 | Adys | dutch i think |
| 18:18.57 | kaso | Close enough |
| 18:19.06 | kaso | all i know is i dont understand it |
| 18:21.32 | Adys | cant find it |
| 18:21.54 | Adys | oh ffs i know |
| 18:21.59 | Adys | i reinstalled my comp since then |
| 18:22.00 | Adys | nvm |
| 18:23.22 | Adys | Oh i cant believe this |
| 18:23.39 | Adys | something like that.. people should have seen it and spread or something |
| 18:25.24 | Adys | submitting a gm ticket lol |
| 18:25.32 | Adys | wonder what they could think |
| 18:25.59 | Adys | someone submitting a ticket, wanting to know on which servers I deleted a level 1 gnome |
| 18:28.38 | winkiller | imo the link above is more about modelhacks as means of cheat |
| 18:28.52 | winkiller | not about a mechanostrider |
| 18:29.10 | winkiller | then again I don't know dutch and only understand a bit |
| 18:29.35 | Adys | thats what i think too winkiller :P |
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| 18:50.17 | winkiller | when did they change the backstab/ambush sound to complete nonsense swooosh? |
| 18:55.28 | Adys | CRY |
| 18:55.39 | Adys | they dont store informations about level 1s |
| 18:56.02 | Shirik | lol |
| 18:56.16 | Adys | this is not funny |
| 18:56.26 | Shirik | sorry >< what was on this level 1? |
| 18:56.26 | Shirik | bank? |
| 18:56.53 | Adys | it had on its friendlist the guy with the fluo strider |
| 18:57.05 | Shirik | oh |
| 18:57.11 | Shirik | what's a fluo strider >< |
| 18:57.51 | Adys | long story |
| 18:57.57 | Adys | aka scroll up :P |
| 18:58.53 | winkiller | lol |
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| 20:28.04 | LadySerena | interesting graphics glitch |
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| 20:57.45 | Adys | how so LadySerena? |
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| 21:09.38 | LadySerena | Adys, I ran in circles for two minutes .... when I started running around normally again, everyone was leaving white streaks behind them |
| 21:09.50 | Adys | oh |
| 21:09.55 | Adys | i think i know this one |
| 21:09.57 | Adys | shattrath? |
| 21:10.19 | LadySerena | I was in Gadgetzan |
| 21:10.25 | Shirik | I've seen that before |
| 21:10.25 | Adys | ah then i dont >< |
| 21:10.32 | Shirik | I remember I figured out why |
| 21:10.36 | Shirik | but... I forget what it was >< |
| 21:10.41 | Adys | ive had similar problems |
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