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`00:56.35`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Rayman Raving Rabbids is so frakkin awesome!`
`00:59.33`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Wow, energectic too`
`01:00.07`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`*energetic`
`01:13.05`	`Kirkburn\|afk`	`Since when do game tips include "For a perfect beef stew, add a little thyme and a few bay leaves"?`
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`04:58.34`	`Skyfire`	`evenings to all!`
`04:58.38`	`Skyfire`	`how are ye>?`
`05:22.20`	`Laraul`	`i was working inside my other computer... which was laying flat on the floor with me facing down into inside it... when i just suddenly vomitted...`
`05:28.27`	`Skyfire`	`srsly?`
`05:44.03`	`Laraul`	`huh yea`
`05:44.42`	`Skyfire`	`not a good place to be when you vomit ;P`
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`06:09.19`	`Skyfire`	`hey Sko`
`06:10.21`	`Skosiris`	`yeah?`
`06:12.21`	`Skyfire`	`hehe, just saying hello ;P`
`06:12.42`	`Skosiris`	`oh :p`
`06:12.48`	`Skosiris`	`Hello there :)`
`06:14.21`	`Skyfire`	`argh`
`06:14.26`	`Skyfire`	`guess i'm unregistered...`
`06:14.28`	`Skyfire`	`-_-`
`06:14.37`	`Skyfire`	`just ask it here... there's no-one listening`
`06:14.42`	`Skosiris`	`lol`
`06:14.45`	`Skyfire`	`xD`
`06:15.08`	`Skyfire`	`or you can leave it on my talk page if you have an account :O`
`06:16.21`	`Skosiris`	`I was wondering why Gryphon decided to place both Thott & Alla links above the Wowhead one in the Elinks-item template`
`06:16.40`	`bleetah`	`are they in alphabetical order?`
`06:16.49`	`Skosiris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:16.49`	`Skosiris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:16.49`	`Skosiris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:17.00`	`bleetah`	`/shrug`
`06:17.02`	`Skyfire`	`do -not- ask me that. I was wondering the same exact thing`
`06:17.28`	`Skyfire`	`tbh, it should prolly be alla-thott-wow to be in alphabetical... :/`
`06:18.44`	`Skosiris`	`sorting links alphabetically would be a good way so that people don't think there's a bias, but don't you think sorting the links by relevance would be a better solution?`
`06:19.34`	`Skosiris`	`it's your call, I'm just wondering :)`
`06:19.39`	`Skyfire`	`how is yours more relevant than, say, ampwows? i'm just curious.`
`06:19.41`	`Skyfire`	`;P`
`06:21.13`	`Skosiris`	`please don't get me started on AmpWow`
`06:21.23`	`Skyfire`	`just an example`
`06:21.27`	`Skyfire`	`answer the question ;P`
`06:21.42`	`Skosiris`	`their work is very flattering`
`06:22.15`	`bleetah`	`'ideally', the default view would be alphabetical, then logged in people would have a preference setting... but I guess that'd be 'Hard(TM)' to implement`
`06:22.44`	`Skosiris`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization`
`06:22.56`	`Skosiris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:22.56`	`Skosiris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`06:23.29`	`bleetah`	`i said ideally, not in reality :P`
`06:23.47`	`Skosiris`	`I'm replying to Sky`
`06:24.07`	`Skyfire`	`personally, I'd like to see wowhead too, since you guys are so much better than the other two. but rules are rules ;_;`
`06:24.07`	`bleetah`	`kk, soz`
`06:24.12`	`Tekkub`	`Gryph's using Alexa to order based on un-biased popularity ratings`
`06:24.13`	`Skyfire`	`and I don't think it was on purpose`
`06:24.20`	`Skyfire`	`or that`
`06:24.22`	`Skyfire`	`:O`
`06:24.25`	`Skosiris`	`I wouldn't want to praise my own site, so I'll let you guys decide based on your preferences`
`06:24.31`	`Skyfire`	`it's because you said "Tekkub"`
`06:24.35`	`Skyfire`	`he awoke!`
`06:24.45`	`Tekkub`	`I just happened to be here too :P`
`06:25.05`	`Skyfire`	`lol`
`06:25.06`	`Tekkub`	`the optimal solution is to make the order random...`
`06:25.15`	`Tekkub`	`find a way to do that and we'd all be happy`
`06:25.23`	`Skosiris`	`I understand that using Alexa, just like using an alphabetically sorted list, are good ways to show a non-bias`
`06:25.26`	`Skosiris`	`but here's my point:`
`06:25.42`	`Skosiris`	`say Myspace release a new WoW db site, would it be the first in the list just because their Alexa rank is higher?`
`06:26.02`	`Skyfire`	`even though they aren't dedicated?`
`06:26.10`	`Skyfire`	`(adding on to his question)`
`06:26.22`	`Tekkub`	`I think the first step in breaking people from habit is not using popularity as a measure`
`06:26.58`	`bleetah`	`correct, many people mistake 'popular' for 'good'`
`06:27.01`	`Tekkub`	`but I don't think alpha is gonna work either, that's never worked`
`06:27.01`	`Skosiris`	`exactly`
`06:27.10`	`Tekkub`	`open the yellow pages to 'A'`
`06:27.19`	`Skyfire`	`lol`
`06:27.25`	`Skyfire`	`truth`
`06:27.35`	`Tekkub`	`so what oes that leave us?`
`06:27.37`	`Skosiris`	`also, what's with this "oh noes, bias!!" attitude? :)`
`06:27.51`	`Tekkub`	`a specific bias towards one site, or towards popularity...`
`06:27.53`	`Skyfire`	`NPOV`
`06:27.54`	`Tekkub`	`or what?`
`06:28.05`	`Skyfire`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:NPOV`
`06:28.08`	`Skyfire`	`:x`
`06:28.14`	`Skosiris`	`if all of you guys agreed that one site is preferred over the others, you should listen to your hearts`
`06:28.24`	`Skyfire`	`someone's just advocating their site ;P`
`06:28.35`	`Tekkub`	`we don't agree, the fact Gryph changed that proves it`
`06:28.37`	`Skyfire`	`the one problem I have with it is your icons :/`
`06:28.40`	`Tekkub`	`the template is protected`
`06:28.58`	`Skosiris`	`oh`
`06:29.13`	`Skosiris`	`this NPOV policy is great`
`06:29.28`	`Tekkub`	`I personally like random, I just don't know how to pull it off`
`06:29.30`	`Skyfire`	`all I get when I right-click and then click "View Background Image" is http://www.wowhead.com/images/icon_border_large.png`
`06:29.45`	`Skyfire`	`if you had the proper icons, I would <3 you`
`06:29.53`	`Skosiris`	`as the NPOV says, I don't think you guys should be linking to any site just because you "like" it or want to encourage it`
`06:30.09`	`Skosiris`	`but if you guys really do think that 1 site is more relevant than the others, then it should be a neutral point of view to link to this one`
`06:30.34`	`Skosiris`	`oh`
`06:30.40`	`Tekkub`	`well the goal is to provide equality in the external links really`
`06:30.40`	`Skyfire`	`which would require that the links be random... and I don't think that's possible ;_;`
`06:30.53`	`Tekkub`	`make it easy for them to find more info on the site they prefer`
`06:30.57`	`Tekkub`	`any site`
`06:31.07`	`Tekkub`	`but... people are bitchy about order`
`06:31.23`	`Skyfire`	`the very fact we list some sites and not others is PoV... but what can you do?`
`06:31.27`	`Skyfire`	`:(`
`06:31.37`	`Tekkub`	`actually, you know what the ideal solution is here?`
`06:31.42`	`Tekkub`	`that we'll never pull off`
`06:31.47`	`Skyfire`	`oh boy`
`06:31.48`	`Skosiris`	`I don't know much about how powerful is the Wiki code you use to make templates and pages`
`06:31.52`	`Tekkub`	`a user setting for their prefered site`
`06:31.59`	`Skyfire`	`ooooo`
`06:32.00`	`Skosiris`	`but would there be a way to code something like this:`
`06:32.11`	`Skosiris`	`if the current hour is odd, then show site #1 first`
`06:32.15`	`Skyfire`	`lol`
`06:32.15`	`Skosiris`	`if it's even, show site #2 first`
`06:32.16`	`Skosiris`	`etc`
`06:32.25`	`Skyfire`	`what about site 3? :P`
`06:32.34`	`Tekkub`	`wiki templates aren't very powerful, and getting things implemented serverside is essentially a nonexistant option`
`06:32.53`	`Tekkub`	`like I said, just random order :)`
`06:33.04`	`Skosiris`	`random order sounds good`
`06:33.12`	`Tekkub`	`we can pull day of the week`
`06:33.15`	`Skosiris`	`still better than Wowhead listed 3rd :P`
`06:33.20`	`Skyfire`	`eh`
`06:33.32`	`Skyfire`	`did you read what i had to say about your icons? Huh? DIDJA?!!`
`06:33.34`	`Skyfire`	`;P`
`06:33.34`	`Tekkub`	`Look at tip of the day: http://www.wowwiki.com/Main_Page`
`06:33.51`	`Tekkub`	`so you run head?`
`06:33.58`	`Skosiris`	`yeah I read :P`
`06:34.00`	`Tekkub`	`you like my slogan?`
`06:34.03`	`Tekkub`	`do ya?`
`06:34.11`	`Skyfire`	`its a good slogan, tbh`
`06:34.16`	`Skyfire`	`lol`
`06:34.24`	`Skyfire`	`a bunch of users would freak, however :x`
`06:34.25`	`Tekkub`	`I had an idea for head that ya'all might like`
`06:34.33`	`Tekkub`	`aside from the slogan`
`06:34.41`	`Skosiris`	`this "issue" is caused by the fact we use an overlay <div> which adds the icon border to the icon image`
`06:34.51`	`Skosiris`	`hmm`
`06:35.19`	`Skosiris`	`what was the slogan again?`
`06:35.23`	`Skosiris`	`Gimme head?`
`06:35.27`	`Tekkub`	`"gimme head"`
`06:35.35`	`Skosiris`	`lol`
`06:35.46`	`sancus`	`.`
`06:35.47`	`Tekkub`	`anyway, the idea... wiki links!`
`06:36.03`	`Tekkub`	`let users submit a page name for any item/NPC/faction, etc`
`06:36.39`	`Tekkub`	`like the aldor/scryer faction pages could have "Comparison of Aldor and Scryer rewards"`
`06:36.56`	`Skyfire`	`oh...`
`06:36.58`	`Skyfire`	`huh`
`06:37.05`	`Skyfire`	`that would be hard on the db, i think`
`06:37.07`	`Tekkub`	`so head users can link to less static pages for in-depth infos`
`06:37.53`	`Skyfire`	`i wish i was an admin...`
`06:37.56`	`Skyfire`	`;[`
`06:38.11`	`Skyfire`	`I have to add {{speedydelete}} to way too much crap`
`06:38.22`	`Tekkub`	`:) Basically the wiki's "External Links" in reverse`
`06:38.49`	`Skosiris`	`what if the External Links were sorted reverse-alphabetically?`
`06:38.55`	`Skyfire`	`lol ;P`
`06:38.56`	`Skosiris`	`would be fair too, right? :)`
`06:39.05`	`Tekkub`	`then Wowtail comes first`
`06:39.50`	`Tekkub`	`I'll try to devise something based off the day`
`06:40.48`	`Tekkub`	`uhm... sky`
`06:41.11`	`Tekkub`	`if you're gonna speedydelete transclude pages, <noinclude> the {{Speedydelete}}`
`06:41.46`	`Skyfire`	`i did`
`06:41.50`	`Skyfire`	`or i thought i did`
`06:41.57`	`Skyfire`	`and it isn't transcluded anywhere anymore`
`06:41.59`	`Skyfire`	`;)`
`06:42.07`	`Tekkub`	`Comparison of Aldor and Scryer rewards is on Category:Articles for speedy deletion`
`06:43.08`	`Skyfire`	`how?... i thought i removed the link... both of them`
`06:43.24`	`Tekkub`	`maybe it's cached or something`
`06:43.34`	`Skyfire`	`i think it is`
`06:43.41`	`Skyfire`	`not showing up like that for me :/...`
`06:44.07`	`Skyfire`	`yup, cached`
`06:46.27`	`Skosiris`	`btw guys I'm sorry`
`06:46.36`	`Skyfire`	`?`
`06:46.37`	`Skyfire`	`for?`
`06:46.37`	`Skosiris`	`I shouldn't come here and mess with your decisions :P`
`06:46.45`	`Skyfire`	`hehe, it's a wiki ;P`
`06:46.53`	`Skyfire`	`democracy and all that hoo-hah`
`06:47.41`	`Skyfire`	`did you touch the templates -_-`
`06:47.56`	`Skosiris`	`of course not`
`06:48.09`	`Skyfire`	`no, not you`
`06:48.19`	`Skyfire`	`heh`
`06:50.03`	`Skyfire`	`btw, Tekkub, why is the bottom of http://www.wowwiki.com/Comparison_of_Aldor_and_Scryer_rewards showing up like it is?`
`06:50.22`	`Skyfire`	`something to do with the difference between the old <div> method of items and {{tooltip}}?`
`06:54.17`	`Skyfire`	`eh, he left me! ;(`
`06:56.28`	`Skyfire`	`btw Skosiris, you've had a few items -not- update since last patch. is that normal?`
`06:57.28`	`Skosiris`	`you mean that some item pages are still displaying the old 2.0.8 info?`
`06:57.52`	`Skyfire`	`yes`
`06:58.14`	`Skosiris`	`still should fix itself automatically within the next 24 hours`
`06:58.20`	`Skosiris`	`just give it some time :)`
`06:58.28`	`Skosiris`	`the site needs to make sure the new items are real`
`06:58.38`	`Skosiris`	`oops`
`06:58.40`	`Skyfire`	`eh, ive now seen 3 articles that haven't fixed themselves... how much time do you give leeway wise?`
`06:58.41`	`Skosiris`	`this should fix**`
`06:59.28`	`Skosiris`	`ok I'll be honest`
`07:00.05`	`Skosiris`	`we haven't done any push of data since the last 5 days`
`07:00.33`	`Skosiris`	`we've got the week off (no school) so we went pay a visit to our parents`
`07:00.38`	`Skosiris`	`we: mystadio and I`
`07:00.47`	`Skosiris`	`I mean, he visited his parents and I visited mine`
`07:00.51`	`Skosiris`	`(we're not brothers)`
`07:01.13`	`Skosiris`	`anyway, we're compiling the files we've received in the past 5 days at this very moment`
`07:01.24`	`Skosiris`	`this should result in some new items, and many updated ones`
`07:02.10`	`Skyfire`	`kool`
`07:02.12`	`Skyfire`	`:]`
`07:07.12`	`Skyfire`	`argh, we got lazy with http://www.wowwiki.com/Comparison_of_Aldor_and_Scryer_rewards`
`07:07.43`	`Skyfire`	`they're all in the form of {{:Item/Tooltip}}, instead of the proper {{:Item}} (with noinclude tags on the proper item article)`
`07:07.50`	`Skosiris`	`hmm`
`07:08.18`	`Skosiris`	`Items (enUS)`
`07:08.18`	`Skosiris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:08.18`	`Skosiris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:08.18`	`Skosiris`	`Items (enUS): WoW build not within range: 6337`
`07:08.18`	`Skosiris`	`input\_WDB_pack_2007-03-10_12-44-AM\twiztid2884\2007-03-08_1173341051.1128\itemcache.wdb`
`07:08.20`	`Skosiris`	`21323 Items (6202 files, 875.5 MB)`
`07:08.22`	`Skosiris`	`Builds found:`
`07:08.24`	`Skosiris`	`63371 (0%)`
`07:08.26`	`Skosiris`	`640364 (1%)`
`07:08.28`	`Skosiris`	`64486138 (98%)`
`07:08.30`	`Skosiris`	`<PROTECTED>`
`07:08.40`	`Skosiris`	`well, 6 new and 113 updated items :)`
`07:08.45`	`Skyfire`	`good!`
`07:08.53`	`Skyfire`	`so is the site already updated?`
`07:09.42`	`Skosiris`	`pages are cached for 24 hours, so it might take up to 24 hours for a page to refresh =/`
`07:09.56`	`Skyfire`	`doh! xD`
`07:10.31`	`Skosiris`	`or I could force some pages to refresh just to make sure everything is okay :)`
`07:11.19`	`Skyfire`	`eh, the former works`
`07:15.10`	`Skosiris`	`could you list me a few items that changed in patch 2.0.10?`
`07:16.18`	`Skosiris`	`1 or 2 of them`
`07:16.49`	`Skosiris`	`btw http://secretgeek.net/ms_search.asp <-- this is hilarious`
`07:17.02`	`Skyfire`	`sec, just did made one up of them up :x`
`07:17.13`	`Skyfire`	`Slayer's Axe`
`07:17.42`	`Skyfire`	`Cowl of the Avatar`
`07:19.19`	`Skosiris`	`thanks!`
`07:19.34`	`Skyfire`	`yup yup`
`07:20.53`	`Skyfire`	`huh...`
`08:00.53`	`Skyfire`	`night`
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`08:55.28`	`Bagginsww`	`nice touch, the chess pieces being named after warcraft 1 units`
`08:55.33`	`Bagginsww`	`and exact same spelling`
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`09:44.24`	`Gryphen`	`heh`
`09:44.33`	`Gryphen`	`"why is my site not first!?"`
`09:44.38`	`Gryphen`	`sheesh`
`09:46.18`	`bleetah`	`Gryphen: 'coz you ain't paid me enough! :-P`
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`13:31.10`	`CrakeHunter`	`hello, a quick question . im going to start to play for the first time after the new patch is d/l. is a undead warlock to hard for the beginning?`
`13:31.22`	`CrakeHunter`	`i dont want to end up frustrated`
`13:31.42`	`Pyrrhus`	`Well`
`13:31.53`	`Pyrrhus`	`Depends.. how fast can you adapt?`
`13:31.58`	`Pyrrhus`	`are you a quick learner?`
`13:32.28`	`CrakeHunter`	`hmm, mmorpg wise no ;)`
`13:32.53`	`CrakeHunter`	`so far i have only played guild wars. but i didnt like thtat... so i bought wow`
`13:33.26`	`CrakeHunter`	`so which combinations are good for starters? (besides paladin )`
`13:34.16`	`equiraptor`	`Hunters can be good, just make sure you actually read your quest logs, rather than just assuming you can figure everything out.`
`13:34.25`	`equiraptor`	`There are a few things around level 10 that can be confusing if you don't.`
`13:35.03`	`equiraptor`	`Rogues can be good in the early levels, but I find they get a bit harder as the level, and because they're common, it can be very hard to find good things to do in endgame.`
`13:36.48`	`CrakeHunter`	`ok... hmm just read s.th. about draenei... too bad i dont own burning crusade... ;)`
`13:36.58`	`CrakeHunter`	`they look kewl`
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`13:49.35`	`Pyrrhus`	`lol`
`13:49.36`	`Pyrrhus`	`ok..`
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`14:36.04`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... okey question`
`14:36.39`	`Tekkub`	`what should I call glyphs, inscriptions, arcanum, mantles of the dawn.. all those "prepackaged" enchant items?`
`14:37.17`	`Tekkub`	`like, a page title for a list of them all`
`14:37.44`	`Tekkub`	`"Instachants, just add water"`
`14:38.06`	`Tekkub`	`"No enchanter needed"`
`14:40.14`	`Tekkub`	`I don't want to call em "Enchanting items" cause to me that implies items used by the enchanting tradeskill`
`14:40.43`	`Tekkub`	`Cup-o-chant`
`14:43.24`	`Tekkub`	`Augments!`
`14:43.29`	`Tekkub`	`that's perfect`
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`15:44.56`	`Pyrrhus`	`Tekkub: I actually like "Instachants, just add water"`
`15:45.17`	`Tekkub`	`I do too, but augments seems more applicable`
`15:45.43`	`Tekkub`	`cause ya got armor kits and smithy shield spikes and scopes and such too`
`15:45.52`	`Tekkub`	`which aren't really "enchants"`
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`16:28.51`	`Montagg`	`Kirkburn\|Wii, when you get back from the Wii... I want to ask you about what you think of Arena Team articles.`
`16:32.02`	`Montagg`	`Question for the masses: I'm trying to install BC on another computer. I've tried and failed a couple times. Now, when I try to run the BC installer, it says "Burning Crusade already installed" even before I've installed it.`
`16:32.52`	`Montagg`	`I think this is due to a partial install that occured when one of the CDs locked up. I've copied the contents of the CDs to the hard drive and I'm running from there. Anyone know what I have to delete so WoW doesn't think I have BC installed anymore?`
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`17:01.32`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Moo!`
`17:01.50`	`bleetah`	`Baa!`
`17:02.24`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Montag wants to ask me a questionl, then he leaves 15 mins later :P Pah, I say, pah!`
`17:02.43`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`I'm going to be \|Wii for quite some time I reckon ;) \|afk was too generic`
`17:03.18`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`I felt silly walking into a shop today and saying "I need another nunchuck for my Wii"`
`17:04.02`	`bleetah`	`oO did you beat the sales assistant over the head?`
`17:04.31`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Yes.`
`17:04.52`	`bleetah`	`did it feel gooood?`
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`17:12.07`	`CrakeHunter`	`hello, if have a problem with the game. im a undead hexmaster (lev 5). now if i take the zeppelin from one land to the other. the game somehow stops while showing me the route on the great map`
`17:12.25`	`CrakeHunter`	`stops means i can stil move my mousepointer. but then for a minute nothing happens. then i rebooted`
`17:12.50`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Hullo`
`17:13.09`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Hmm, odd, you can't switch continents`
`17:13.33`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Are youa brand new player?`
`17:13.41`	`CrakeHunter`	`yes`
`17:13.57`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Then firstly, welcome :)`
`17:14.18`	`CrakeHunter`	`thank you :)`
`17:14.28`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Not heard of that issue before - you have a PC that's reasonably specced?`
`17:14.28`	`CrakeHunter`	`wondering, if i can do anything to restor eme character. cause right now whenever i reenter the game shows me on a zeppelin then happens the above: (`
`17:15.08`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`If it keeps happened for, say, half an hour, do this:`
`17:15.30`	`CrakeHunter`	`o, i should let it load for half an hor?`
`17:15.38`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`No, I mean keep trying :P`
`17:15.45`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`It might be that the other continent is down`
`17:16.25`	`CrakeHunter`	`hrrr my undead forces have doomed this continent :D`
`17:16.35`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`If it happens for ages and you don't hear any news about problems, create a new character and send a support ticket on that`
`17:16.49`	`bleetah`	`if your system is scratching the bottom of the minimum specifictions, it's possible that you're lagging out whilst it tries to load the other continent and thus crashing.`
`17:17.11`	`CrakeHunter`	`no it isnt , 4000+ amd64, 7600 gs , 1,5 gb ram`
`17:17.24`	`CrakeHunter`	`everythign on high tho`
`17:17.29`	`bleetah`	`your're right.. it isn't :)`
`17:17.33`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Well that certainly shouldn't be a problem!`
`17:17.38`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`What server is this?`
`17:17.46`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`And EU or US?`
`17:17.48`	`CrakeHunter`	`eu`
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`17:18.32`	`CrakeHunter`	`loraernor server or something liek that`
`17:18.41`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Lordaeron?`
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`17:19.13`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Aiie, sancus be having problems`
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`17:19.30`	`CrakeHunter`	`lordaeron right`
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`17:20.32`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Interesting, I can't see Lordaeron on the realm forums listings`
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`17:21.03`	`CrakeHunter`	`hmm`
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`17:22.06`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Ah, it's french!`
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`17:23.02`	`CrakeHunter`	`im gonna give it another try`
`17:23.14`	`Tekkub`	`"Large Brilliant Shard is a sizeable chunk of glass filled with magical energy"`
`17:23.21`	`Tekkub`	`glass? cite a source!`
`17:23.32`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Dammit, i meant german`
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`17:23.49`	`Tekkub`	`to me "shard" in a magical sense implies a crystal`
`17:23.56`	`Tekkub`	`glas ain't crystaline`
`17:24.10`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`CrakeHunter, this is the realm forum for Lordaeron - http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?forumId=106909&sid=3`
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`17:24.24`	`Tekkub`	`Kirky, need an opinion`
`17:24.31`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`I don't speak enough german to see if there's a problem, but it doesn't look like it`
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`17:24.42`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Augments and http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchantments_by_slot`
`17:24.43`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Not glass`
`17:24.51`	`Tekkub`	`split each section into a seperate page?`
`17:25.09`	`Tekkub`	`or leave as a big one, I'm gonna clean by slot into smaller tables`
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`17:25.17`	`Tekkub`	`that are a lot easier to read`
`17:25.53`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`I would split the enchants one, but not into each section`
`17:26.07`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Perhaps Equipment and Weapons ?`
`17:26.08`	`Tekkub`	`well enchants is going to be ONLY enchants`
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`17:26.22`	`Tekkub`	`with "see also" for the arcanum/etc`
`17:26.29`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`I would split the Augments, because there are far more "augments" than listed there`
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`17:26.46`	`Tekkub`	`I'm working on moving in the augments bit by bit`
`17:26.51`	`Orphis`	`Hi`
`17:26.57`	`Tekkub`	`ni hou`
`17:27.05`	`Orphis`	`Is there some armory documentation project ?`
`17:27.20`	`Tekkub`	`you mean the XML structure?`
`17:27.27`	`Orphis`	`Obviously`
`17:27.41`	`Tekkub`	`what you coulda meant user docs`
`17:27.51`	`Orphis`	`It's easy enough to understand but it may have its place on wowwiki`
`17:27.53`	`Tekkub`	`someone was talkign about it, don't know if it ever happened`
`17:28.08`	`Orphis`	`that was \|Pixel\| maybe`
`17:28.42`	`Orphis`	`He has already posted a message on the eu forums about it`
`17:28.50`	`Tekkub`	`so kirk, split up augments, and divide enchants by slot into weapons and armor?`
`17:29.06`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Yeah`
`17:29.17`	`Tekkub`	`can I call em Instachants?`
`17:29.27`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`The augments split naturally, but the enchants not so much :P`
`17:29.34`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Um.`
`17:29.35`	`Tekkub`	`"No enchanter required, just add water and nuke for 2 minutes"`
`17:29.58`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`sancus, beep!`
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`17:32.17`	`Tekkub`	`I'll take that beep as a 'no'`
`17:32.53`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Tekkub, you go and leave in the middle of a convo? So rude! :P`
`17:33.04`	`Tekkub`	`work wifi == shit`
`17:33.26`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`I was beeping him about his connection :P`
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`17:33.42`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`I wish I had wifi right now, can't connect my Wii to the net`
`17:33.42`	`bleetah`	`wb Bleeter`
`17:33.57`	`Tekkub`	`\|-`
`17:33.57`	`Tekkub`	`\|{{loot\|Uncommon\|Arcanum of Focus}}<br>{{loot\|Uncommon\|Arcanum of Protection}}<br>{{loot\|Uncommon\|Arcanum of Rapidity}}`
`17:33.58`	`Bleeter`	`thx bleetah`
`17:34.01`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
`17:34.21`	`Tekkub`	`Hi, I make multi-rom tables in ONE ROW!`
`17:34.27`	`Tekkub`	`growl`
`17:34.34`	`Tekkub`	`*multi-row`
`17:35.23`	`Kirkburn\|Wii`	`Haway again :)`
`17:42.36`	`watchout`	`hey, do you think I should use the elinks template for the bot or just add the ==header== above?`
`17:42.57`	`Tekkub`	`I don't like {{elinks}}`
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`17:43.04`	`Tekkub`	`it breaks the edit link`
`17:43.19`	`watchout`	`mhm, good point`
`17:43.21`	`Tekkub`	`and people might want to add other links besides the templated ones`
`17:43.44`	`Tekkub`	`a template for just a section heading is kinda pointless :)`
`17:44.57`	`Tekkub`	`now if it was like {{Elinks\|item\|1234}} I could understand`
`17:44.57`	`Tekkub`	`but when you make the other template call too? meh, redundant`
`17:44.57`	`watchout`	`yeah, I thought that too TBH... the first time I saw that elinks template, I thought it was a generalization of elinksitem/mob`
`17:45.08`	`watchout`	`then I looked closer and... well ;)`
`17:45.37`	`Tekkub`	`I don't know if he did, but I'd like to see {{Elink-thott\|full URL here}}`
`17:45.45`	`Tekkub`	`that just adds the icon :)`
`17:47.14`	`Tekkub`	`hey Kirk!`
`17:47.43`	`Tekkub`	`KIRK!`
`17:47.58`	`Tekkub`	`take you hand off your Wii and get over here`
`17:50.31`	`bleetah`	`hmm`
`17:50.42`	`bleetah`	`a kirk and his wii are never seperated`
`17:50.55`	`bleetah`	`he should see a doctor about it ;)`
`17:51.10`	`watchout`	`diabolic wii!`
`17:51.40`	`watchout`	`maybe the strap will break soon and ruin his tv :P`
`17:51.56`	`bleetah`	`oO strap on wii!`
`17:52.13`	`watchout`	`uh... yeah`
`17:53.04`	`watchout`	`http://www.wiihaveaproblem.com/`
`17:56.13`	`Tekkub`	`Kirk's Wii isn't big enogh to damage anything`
`17:56.17`	`Tekkub`	`hrm...`
`17:56.25`	`Tekkub`	`where'd that song go to?`
`17:56.44`	`bleetah`	`i don't wanna know how you know that fact, Tekkub :P`
`17:57.03`	`Tekkub`	`http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detachable_Penis`
`17:57.10`	`Tekkub`	`<3 wikipedia`
`17:57.20`	`bleetah`	`wowwiki > wikipedia`
`17:58.05`	`bleetah`	`'cept when it's about detachable penises`
`17:58.12`	`watchout`	`well in maths, wikipedia is definitely on top`
`17:58.58`	`bleetah`	`meh, check out the essjay incident, and what Wales is doing to try to regain any form of credibility for either himself, or Wikipedia`
`17:59.07`	`bleetah`	`and don't rely on the wikipedia entry about it, either`
`17:59.23`	`watchout`	`or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theoretical_computer_science`
`17:59.56`	`watchout`	`whats essjay?`
`18:00.26`	`bleetah`	`a guy who'd made it all the way to being an employee of Wales' corporate arm.. senior wikipedia editor`
`18:00.56`	`bleetah`	`had done a number of edits based on his claimed profile, which included a doctorate or two, tenure as a theological professor, 30-40 years old`
`18:01.08`	`bleetah`	`turned out he was 24 y/o, no doctorates, etc. etc. etc.`
`18:01.32`	`watchout`	`well, all that stuff can backfire`
`18:01.34`	`bleetah`	`those who'd been questioning his authority on certain edits had been shouted down 'coz of his alleged qualifications to speak on the topic`
`18:01.42`	`bleetah`	`yeah`
`18:02.00`	`watchout`	`wikipedia is still an awesome project`
`18:02.02`	`bleetah`	`anyways, they've had to look at introducing some method of verification for senior editors, and stuff`
`18:02.09`	`bleetah`	`in theory, yes`
`18:02.18`	`Tekkub`	`such are the issues of social projects`
`18:02.48`	`Tekkub`	`at least with WoW we have one final difinitve source for all info`
`18:02.58`	`Tekkub`	`there is no questioning Blue`
`18:03.22`	`bleetah`	`in practice, as highlighted by this incident, the 'argument from authority' turns out to be completely falsifiable, therefore until such time as the editors, senior editors, the arbitration board, etc. can be verifiably relied upon, it's difficult to even have some small amount of believability for any article`
`18:03.31`	`bleetah`	`insofar as reading a topic which one doesn't already know`
`18:04.08`	`bleetah`	`sure, the idea of the project is awesome`
`18:04.13`	`bleetah`	`it's implementation blows goats`
`18:04.24`	`watchout`	`bleetah, you just need to add some brain when looking up information`
`18:05.00`	`bleetah`	`er yeah... but the editors feed on self congratulations, etc.`
`18:05.06`	`sancus`	`Tekkub: haha`
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`18:05.17`	`sancus`	`Tekkub: Would that Blue actually was correct more than 50% of the time :P`
`18:05.46`	`bleetah`	`for example`
`18:05.48`	`sancus`	`And that's when they're posting facts about the game, not even when the CMs get all uppity and think they're game designers.`
`18:06.21`	`bleetah`	`this essjay guy wrote a missive email to some lawyer lecturer type who'd dared to suggest that wikipedia isn't a decent source of information, and wouldn't be acceptable as a source. he ranted on about his 'qualifications', etc.`
`18:06.23`	`watchout`	`and bleetah... In a scientific magazine, one can still write 100% bullshit in there, and if the boss there messes it up, it will be printed too`
`18:07.02`	`bleetah`	`yes, but at least that journal will have the name, the quals of both the article writer and the boss, etc.`
`18:07.26`	`watchout`	`wikipedia could introduce "trusted editors" or alike`
`18:07.36`	`bleetah`	`wikipedia can write articles, editors and all claim some form on un-verifiable authority`
`18:07.42`	`sancus`	`they'd have to learn how to check credentials first :P`
`18:07.50`	`watchout`	`sure :P`
`18:08.05`	`bleetah`	`the fact that Wales hired a fraud says a lot ;) :P`
`18:08.23`	`sancus`	`prob feels really stupid now and won't make the same mistake again`
`18:08.26`	`sancus`	`hopefully`
`18:08.37`	`watchout`	`I guess that too`
`18:08.45`	`sancus`	`wikipedia tends to be a decent resource`
`18:08.55`	`sancus`	`it's when you use it as your ONLY resource that you're fucked`
`18:09.12`	`sancus`	`but that goes for any documents`
`18:09.37`	`watchout`	`it's a typical executive error, just many fire at wikipedia - especially scientific magazines because WP steals their customers - because it's open source`
`18:10.17`	`sancus`	`of course, lots of academics are going to hate wikipedia`
`18:10.41`	`sancus`	`because the very concept of being able to write academic stuff without going through the required maze first is anathema to them`
`18:11.22`	`sancus`	`But the required maze is there for a reason and isn't always stupid, though sometimes it is`
`18:12.08`	`kaso`	`hey what the hell`
`18:12.15`	`kaso`	`when did thottbot start using blizzard item ids?`
`18:12.20`	`watchout`	`you know... the professors at my university often refer to wikipedia "if you want to get more info" but tell us to check everything first ;)`
`18:12.57`	`sancus`	`kaso: never?`
`18:13.40`	`kaso`	`http://www.thottbot.com/i4964`
`18:13.41`	`kaso`	`they do now`
`18:14.08`	`sancus`	`hm`
`18:14.13`	`sancus`	`Looks like they do both now`
`18:14.20`	`sancus`	`If you search for goblin smasher, it gives you a differentl ink`
`18:14.28`	`watchout`	`sancus, that was just a matter of time ;)`
`18:14.28`	`sancus`	`http://www.thottbot.com/?i=752`
`18:15.11`	`kaso`	`hmm, yes but all the links on the search results page are in the new format`
`18:15.17`	`kaso`	`perhaps theyre part way through converting`
`18:15.25`	`kaso`	`see: http://www.thottbot.com/?s=Goblin`
`18:15.38`	`watchout`	`yeah... time to edit the elinks-template? :D`
`18:15.49`	`sancus`	`yeah`
`18:15.51`	`kaso`	`though the "of the X" links are still old kind`
`18:16.06`	`sancus`	`Most likely they'll leave the old links working as well`
`18:16.14`	`sancus`	`I don't know why thott didn't use the in-game IDs in the first place`
`18:16.17`	`Tekkub`	`slow people`
`18:16.20`	`sancus`	`I told him to do that like 3 years ago!`
`18:16.28`	`sancus`	`but it's good to see he finally fixed that`
`18:16.30`	`watchout`	`sancus, I guess performance issues`
`18:16.35`	`Tekkub`	`no, you :P`
`18:16.38`	`kaso`	`they didnt because in the old days they indexed each "of the" item seperately`
`18:16.53`	`kaso`	`though i guess they could have used a itemID:ofTheID`
`18:17.46`	`sancus`	`Tekkub: I don't even play this terrible game anymore, why would I keep up to date with what item sites are doing? :P`
`18:18.17`	`watchout`	`terrible? :P`
`18:18.18`	`Tekkub`	`I'm talking about updating the template :P`
`18:19.17`	`sancus`	`Yes, WoW is terrible`
`18:19.24`	`sancus`	`anyway afk`
`18:19.36`	`Tekkub`	`ugh, brainpain`
`18:19.50`	`Tekkub`	`make the xcrappy no-sleep headache go away`
`18:21.42`	`watchout`	`drink some booze and it will go away`
`18:23.27`	`Tekkub`	`I'm at work`
`18:23.47`	`Tekkub`	`and the booze didn't help last night, I only slept 2hr then the hubby getting up woke me up`
`18:29.54`	`watchout`	`youre at work? hm, then... drink the booze at the toilet :P`
`18:30.49`	`watchout`	`or the other option is to do following:`
`18:31.02`	`watchout`	`put you hand on the desk`
`18:31.12`	`watchout`	`take a big fat heavy book`
`18:31.20`	`watchout`	`(in the other hand ofc)`
`18:31.31`	`watchout`	`slam it on your hand on the desk`
`18:31.53`	`watchout`	`you won't notice your headache for a while`
`18:32.48`	`*** join/#wowwiki TimmyNet (n=Tim@pool-141-155-160-84.ny5030.east.verizon.net)`
`18:33.05`	`TimmyNet`	`hi`
`18:33.25`	`kaso`	`hi`
`18:34.13`	`TimmyNet`	`what's this yellow glowing trail I see on draenei weapons`
`18:34.44`	`*** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim\|work (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net)`
`18:34.47`	`TimmyNet`	`is it an enchant?`
`18:34.57`	`Hobinheim\|work`	`is it a bird?`
`18:35.16`	`watchout`	`TimmyNet, you know it's yellow...`
`18:35.32`	`TimmyNet`	`?`
`18:35.41`	`TimmyNet`	`it trails as they walk`
`18:35.46`	`Tekkub`	`sigh`
`18:35.57`	`Tekkub`	`never played horde have we?`
`18:36.14`	`watchout`	`or not shaman? :)`
`18:36.14`	`TimmyNet`	`I did`
`18:36.15`	`bleetah`	`sounds like a shaman rockbiter cast, or similar`
`18:36.35`	`TimmyNet`	`oh it's class specific`
`18:36.36`	`bleetah`	`been a while since I played a shammy, not even sure if that's the right name`
`18:36.41`	`watchout`	`anyway this means you only saw it on draenei SHAMANs...`
`18:36.55`	`Tekkub`	`shamen :)`
`18:36.57`	`TimmyNet`	`yea maybe`
`18:37.14`	`Tekkub`	`shapeople?`
`18:37.22`	`watchout`	`Tekkub, whats a female shaman then?`
`18:37.24`	`Tekkub`	`look like sha, talk like people`
`18:37.29`	`watchout`	`shawoman?`
`18:37.31`	`Hobinheim\|work`	`shawoman`
`18:37.55`	`TimmyNet`	`where do I find a link to it`
`18:37.57`	`watchout`	`blah :P`
`18:38.06`	`watchout`	`wowwiki ofc`
`18:38.36`	`watchout`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Rockbiter_Weapon`
`18:38.48`	`Thrae`	`TimmyNet: Do you happen to have a Druid named "Timmyturner"?`
`18:38.51`	`Tekkub`	`is it a little ball spinning around the end of their weapon?`
`18:39.14`	`TimmyNet`	`nope, Thrae`
`18:39.14`	`bleetah`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Windfury_vs_Rockbiter`
`18:39.18`	`TimmyNet`	`never had a druid`
`18:39.33`	`watchout`	`wow, but druids rock :)`
`18:39.41`	`TimmyNet`	`y?`
`18:39.48`	`TimmyNet`	`I prefer hunter or pally`
`18:39.57`	`Tekkub`	`cough`
`18:40.00`	`watchout`	`haha`
`18:40.07`	`Tekkub`	`I'd comment, but my only 40+ is a hunter`
`18:40.12`	`watchout`	`Tekkub, was just going to write the same :D`
`18:40.22`	`TimmyNet`	`lol hunters rock`
`18:40.28`	`watchout`	`I started a hunter a few weeks ago...`
`18:40.30`	`Tekkub`	`hunters suck`
`18:40.37`	`Tekkub`	`I only took the class for the free bear`
`18:40.39`	`watchout`	`It's too easy imo`
`18:40.46`	`Tekkub`	`a decision I really regret`
`18:40.48`	`TimmyNet`	`ok`
`18:41.14`	`watchout`	`Tekkub, druids get a bear too :D`
`18:41.33`	`Tekkub`	`yea and they get healing, which I've always been a healer/caster in the past`
`18:41.35`	`Thrae`	`Tekkub favours Druids ;)`
`18:41.47`	`Tekkub`	`mage isn't complex enough for me, I loved BLM in FFXI`
`18:42.07`	`watchout`	`well then go vanguard ;)`
`18:42.13`	`Tekkub`	`had to know the right elements to use for the mob and skillchains your groups are on`
`18:42.30`	`Tekkub`	`WoW mage is just mindless nukeage`
`18:42.39`	`watchout`	`just like hunter :D`
`18:42.45`	`Tekkub`	`yup`
`18:42.51`	`Tekkub`	`but... free bear`
`18:43.21`	`watchout`	`what bear do you mean btw... the pet or what?`
`18:43.29`	`Tekkub`	`yes`
`18:43.42`	`watchout`	`you can have a kitty too ;P`
`18:43.51`	`Tekkub`	`I have one... in storage`
`18:44.20`	`watchout`	`warlocks and druids are nice classes in wow IMO`
`18:44.41`	`watchout`	`though feral druids are too easy now`
`18:44.42`	`Tekkub`	`warlock I could prolly do if I had a horde guild somewhere and someone to level with`
`18:44.53`	`Tekkub`	`it's the only orc class I'd play that I can't play on tauren`
`18:46.13`	`Tekkub`	`hell if I had someone to level with somewhere I'd pull my 30ish druid and shaman tauren off the shitty PvP server I hate`
`18:46.35`	`watchout`	`:P`
`18:47.21`	`Tekkub`	`sometimes I hate that I can't play solo`
`18:47.21`	`watchout`	`well, don't look at me, I play at europe servers ;)`
`18:48.27`	`watchout`	`solo sucks, its boring and if I want to play solo, I don't need a mmorpg`
`18:49.47`	`Tekkub`	`exactly`
`18:49.52`	`Tekkub`	`I'd rather play with myself`
`18:51.06`	`watchout`	`that was a ambiguous statement...`
`18:51.18`	`Tekkub`	`^^`
`19:06.58`	`watchout`	`hm... did someone change templates again?`
`19:07.15`	`*** join/#wowwiki dok3Dal (n=dok@AStrasbourg-251-1-53-165.w82-126.abo.wanadoo.fr)`
`19:22.09`	`*** join/#wowwiki Bagginsww (n=Valiento@adsl-69-226-99-154.dsl.skt2ca.pacbell.net)`
`19:33.07`	`*** join/#wowwiki Skyfire (n=rawsonat@c-24-21-36-57.hsd1.or.comcast.net)`
`19:33.09`	`kaso`	`what is the \|desc= field in the {{tooltip}} for ?`
`19:37.24`	`Skyfire`	`I wanna know why I keep breaking the wiki :x`
`19:40.42`	`*** join/#wowwiki TimmyNet2 (n=Tim@pool-141-155-160-84.ny5030.east.verizon.net)`
`19:41.07`	`Bagginsww`	`kirkburn are you there?`
`19:41.48`	`watchout`	`Skyfire, you wiki-killer!`
`19:42.33`	`Skyfire`	`it wasn't me this time!`
`19:42.43`	`Skyfire`	`i haven't touched the edit button in 5 minutes!`
`19:42.52`	`*** join/#wowwiki Laraul (i=spoof@ip72-200-90-128.tc.ph.cox.net)`
`19:43.02`	`watchout`	`damn but it was a bad one`
`19:43.19`	`Skyfire`	`whodunit?`
`19:45.20`	`watchout`	`I think it was gryphon, though I'm not sure`
`19:45.36`	`watchout`	`he changed Template:Elinksitem`
`19:45.36`	`Skyfire`	`now wats he done -_-`
`19:45.42`	`Skyfire`	`ah man`
`19:45.57`	`watchout`	`worst idea ever :P`
`19:45.57`	`Skyfire`	`Gryphen man, you're killing me here`
`19:46.19`	`Tekkub`	`I love working here... why must I hate living here?`
`19:46.30`	`Skyfire`	`LOL`
`19:46.40`	`Tekkub`	`Really tired, so I go upstairs to my boss's office and lay down on his futon`
`19:46.50`	`Tekkub`	`he gets up and turns off the light`
`19:47.11`	`watchout`	`lo?`
`19:47.24`	`Skyfire`	`what's wrong with that?`
`19:47.25`	`watchout`	`is your boss female? :P`
`19:47.30`	`Skyfire`	`did you end up sleeping there?`
`19:47.31`	`Skyfire`	`:x`
`19:47.56`	`watchout`	`ah, you wrote "he", didn't see that ;)`
`19:47.57`	`Tekkub`	`then he gets done with his phone call, takes his laptop and comes downstairs`
`19:48.04`	`*** join/#wowwiki amro (n=amro@82.101.184.143)`
`19:48.32`	`Skyfire`	`goddamnit it Gryphen. I'm gonna' start stalking you if you don't at least warn people >:(`
`19:48.39`	`Tekkub`	`no sleep, wasn't tired once I laid down`
`19:48.45`	`watchout`	`lol`
`19:48.45`	`Tekkub`	`had that issue last night as well`
`19:48.55`	`Bagginsww`	`what did you do to wowwiki LOL`
`19:49.07`	`Skyfire`	`he edited elinksitem`
`19:49.12`	`Skyfire`	`and possibly elinks-item`
`19:49.15`	`watchout`	`It's gryphen, all slap Gryphen !`
`19:49.15`	`Skyfire`	`-_-`
`19:49.18`	`Bagginsww`	`LOL`
`19:50.21`	`watchout`	`damn, I don't have that slap command on this clien...:D`
`19:50.34`	`Skyfire`	`then do a /me`
`19:51.01`	`watchout`	`yeah, I tried /em first :-/`
`19:51.13`	`Bagginsww`	`anyone near Modesto area interested in tickets to see Raiders of the Lost Arc on the Big Screen? I'm selling tickets heh heh.`
`19:51.37`	`Skyfire`	`Raiders of the Lost Arc? Didn't that come out, like 20 years ago? :x`
`19:51.43`	`Bagginsww`	`ya its a classic`
`19:51.58`	`Bagginsww`	`its also for a fund raiser.`
`19:52.16`	`Skyfire`	`gryph hasn't edited anything...`
`19:52.22`	`Skyfire`	`wth killed the wiki?`
`19:52.30`	`amro`	`Raiders of the lost Arcade > Raiders of the Lost Arc`
`19:53.33`	`Skyfire`	`baggins, why did you give the daemon-kiljaeden section a speculation tag?`
`19:54.07`	`Skyfire`	`the some fans contend part?`
`19:55.37`	`Bagginsww`	`well, ya there is a disagreement`
`19:55.56`	`Bagginsww`	`we've discussed this in here before that discriptions in ROTH were pretty vague`
`19:56.02`	`Bagginsww`	`just that "similarities" were seen`
`19:56.36`	`Bagginsww`	`ragestorm contends that its an all out retcon removal of kil'jaeden's warcraft II apperance`
`19:56.47`	`Bagginsww`	`actually he's probably the only person I've discussed that has that view`
`19:57.14`	`Bagginsww`	`others I've discussed it with think the book was vague enough it can cover all previous interpretations and explanations in other sources`
`19:57.14`	`Skyfire`	`kil'jaeden has changed though... :x`
`19:57.25`	`Skyfire`	`aha`
`19:57.27`	`Bagginsww`	`well later sources claim he is the diceaver`
`19:57.33`	`Bagginsww`	`and can change his appearance`
`19:57.52`	`Skyfire`	`w1 actually has him as the deceiver... :O`
`19:57.56`	`Skyfire`	`iirc`
`19:57.58`	`Bagginsww`	`well ya, that's true`
`19:58.12`	`Bagginsww`	`but that power has to do with how he can appear before people`
`19:58.16`	`Skyfire`	`yes`
`19:58.26`	`Bagginsww`	`anycase ROTH describes him as having horns`
`19:58.38`	`Bagginsww`	`which can describe his warcraft II appearance, LOL`
`19:58.47`	`Bagginsww`	`he didn't have horns in Warcraft III`
`19:59.22`	`Bagginsww`	`other artistic renditions of him show a lack of horns as well`
`19:59.34`	`watchout`	`ah Skyfire I mixed up the days :P`
`19:59.53`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Kiljaedendeciever.jpg I think that's the samwise version?`
`20:00.25`	`Skyfire`	`what do you mean, watchout?`
`20:01.04`	`Skyfire`	`he has horns in w1 too ;P`
`20:02.28`	`Bagginsww`	`right he had horns in w1 in the "daemon/orc-like" form`
`20:02.31`	`Bagginsww`	`he didn't have horns in the "eredar" form in warcraft 3`
`20:02.35`	`Bagginsww`	`just the crest`
`20:03.21`	`Bagginsww`	`he was shown as blending ered crest, and horns in Shadow & Light, but that was apparently to point out he is capable of changing his shape`
`20:04.12`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Kiljaedenallendilling.jpg`
`20:04.23`	`watchout`	`Skyfire, Gryphen changed the template yesterday, at about the same time`
`20:04.37`	`Bagginsww`	`what si the BC template?`
`20:04.38`	`Skyfire`	`yah`
`20:04.45`	`Bagginsww`	`the one that puts the tiny BC next to an element`
`20:05.16`	`Tekkub`	`{{bc-inline}}`
`20:05.21`	`Skyfire`	`yes`
`20:06.23`	`Bagginsww`	`ty`
`20:08.05`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Necrolyte`
`20:08.09`	`Bagginsww`	`added it to that`
`20:14.40`	`Skyfire`	`whats the name of the slot where you would put a wand, except for a Druid/Pal/Sham?`
`20:14.52`	`Skyfire`	`cannot, for the life of me, remember those items`
`20:15.34`	`Bagginsww`	`libram, relic?`
`20:15.53`	`Bagginsww`	`idols`
`20:16.00`	`Skyfire`	`aha`
`20:16.05`	`Bagginsww`	`totems and stones`
`20:16.22`	`Bagginsww`	`relics = libram, totems, stones, idols`
`20:16.36`	`Bagginsww`	`or so says wowwiki`
`20:16.51`	`Bagginsww`	`ok stones were changed to "relics"`
`20:16.57`	`Bagginsww`	`in patch 2.0`
`20:17.17`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Relic`
`20:17.39`	`Bagginsww`	`its in the offhand slot rather wand slot right?`
`20:18.13`	`Bagginsww`	`hmm maybe you are right`
`20:18.31`	`Bagginsww`	`I thought warlocks could use wands?`
`20:18.35`	`Skyfire`	`they can`
`20:18.47`	`Skyfire`	`they can also switch their wand out for a stone of their choice`
`20:18.57`	`Bagginsww`	`ahh interesting`
`20:19.08`	`Bagginsww`	`I think mages should get something too ;)`
`20:21.05`	`Skyfire`	`... I'm just fine, tyvm >:)`
`20:21.14`	`Bagginsww`	`I'm a mage, ;)`
`20:21.28`	`Bagginsww`	`I'm just saying having more gear to use would be nice, :)`
`20:22.00`	`Bagginsww`	`like maybe something that turns decursing into mass decursing`
`20:22.05`	`Bagginsww`	`maybe they could call them "amulets"`
`20:22.24`	`Bagginsww`	`or charms or something`
`20:23.28`	`Skyfire`	`huh`
`20:23.35`	`Skyfire`	`intriguiging idea`
`20:23.41`	`Skyfire`	`i need to lrn2spl`
`20:25.27`	`watchout`	`ok... first testrun for the bot... 5 pages :)`
`20:28.26`	`Skyfire`	`uh oh`
`20:28.30`	`Skyfire`	`;P`
`20:29.50`	`*** join/#wowwiki Cairenn (n=Cairenn@MMOI/Administratrix/Cairenn)`
`20:29.50`	`*** mode/#wowwiki [+o Cairenn] by ChanServ`
`20:30.35`	`watchout`	`great, i forgot the ==external links== header :P`
`20:31.06`	`watchout`	`good thing I limited the bot to 3 pages for the first test :D`
`20:31.37`	`Skyfire`	`watchout: You should use {{elinks\|links={{elinks-item\|ID}}}} rather than include ==External Links== separately`
`20:32.57`	`watchout`	`um, I think I talked about that yesterday already... I think it was tekkub`
`20:33.05`	`Skyfire`	`oh?`
`20:33.21`	`watchout`	`we concluded we don't need a template for a header only`
`20:33.56`	`Skyfire`	`... eh`
`20:34.40`	`Skyfire`	`btw, all of you should go comment on http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Montag/Master_Plan at the talk page! :)`
`20:39.09`	`watchout`	`I just skimmed over the whole thing, looks interesting, will comment later - as soon as the bot runs smoothly ;)`
`20:40.21`	`Skyfire`	`;)`
`20:56.19`	`*** join/#wowwiki tork (i=________@87.228.31.131)`
`20:56.41`	`tork`	`haha`
`20:56.57`	`tork`	`anybody here?`
`20:57.10`	`Skyfire`	`yarr`
`20:58.43`	`watchout`	`ok, who wants to bet if the bot reaches 10k club after the template changes? :D`
`21:00.03`	`Skyfire`	`vaghedin's got a bot at over 10k already ;P`
`21:00.08`	`Skyfire`	`varghedin*`
`21:01.57`	`watchout`	`yeah, but mine didn't do that much until now`
`21:02.30`	`watchout`	`it just does http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Guild_stubs`
`21:03.19`	`Skyfire`	`it should be under a new username, btw ;P`
`21:03.26`	`Skyfire`	`something like User:watchoutBot`
`21:03.48`	`watchout`	`you mean like http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:Watchoutbot`
`21:04.06`	`watchout`	`:P`
`21:04.39`	`Skyfire`	`>.>`
`21:04.41`	`Skyfire`	`<.<`
`21:04.51`	`Skyfire`	`+_+`
`21:05.04`	`watchout`	`but your suggested name was pretty close :D`
`21:05.43`	`watchout`	`do you know an article with 2 inclusions of elinksitem?`
`21:06.24`	`Skyfire`	`?`
`21:08.21`	`watchout`	`I want to try out what the bot does in unusual situations before I set it to parse more than 5k pages ;)`
`21:08.31`	`Skyfire`	`atiesh`
`21:09.04`	`watchout`	`wha?`
`21:09.20`	`Skyfire`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Atiesh`
`21:09.43`	`Skyfire`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Atiesh,_Greatstaff_of_the_Guardian`
`21:09.47`	`Skyfire`	`use the 2nd link`
`21:10.21`	`watchout`	`yeah, ty :)`
`21:10.56`	`Bagginsww`	`does anyone have a copy of Orcs and Humans CD that has the PDF of the manual?`
`21:11.46`	`Skyfire`	`?`
`21:12.10`	`Bagginsww`	`well I have the paper version, but would like a copy o fthe PDF version`
`21:12.11`	`Skyfire`	`i did see pdf floating around the internet just random browsing :x`
`21:12.32`	`Bagginsww`	`so I can rip pictures from it :p`
`21:12.39`	`Bagginsww`	`instead of scanning`
`21:13.45`	`watchout`	`if you want to put it on Wowwiki, dont forget they're copyright protected`
`21:14.43`	`Skyfire`	`blizzard doesn't care :]`
`21:14.51`	`Skyfire`	`i think`
`21:14.53`	`Skyfire`	`:x`
`21:15.26`	`watchout`	`best to make a note that it's a blizzard copyright img on the img page`
`21:16.08`	`Skyfire`	`btw, when you search "warcraft orcs and humans manual" in google it comes up with wowwiki first, wikipedia second. :D`
`21:16.23`	`watchout`	`:)`
`21:16.42`	`bleetah`	`sweet`
`21:16.55`	`bleetah`	`of course it should consider wowwiki more authoritative than that other site ;)`
`21:17.32`	`Skyfire`	`and wowwiki's actually first above all other too :)`
`21:19.26`	`Bagginsww`	`LOL`
`21:19.37`	`Skyfire`	`wat?`
`21:23.28`	`Bagginsww`	`I suppose I'll have to scan it :p`
`21:23.48`	`Bagginsww`	`wanting to get the artwork of a daemon from wc1 manual`
`21:25.19`	`Skyfire`	`not the kil'jaeden image?`
`21:26.29`	`Bagginsww`	`no, that's in wacraft II manual`
`21:27.09`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Daemon.jpg that'st he wc2 "daemon" image`
`21:27.15`	`Bagginsww`	`from manual`
`21:28.09`	`watchout`	`great, my bot messed up...`
`21:28.13`	`Skyfire`	`argh`
`21:28.35`	`watchout`	`"converts" < and > to < and >`
`21:29.13`	`watchout`	`meaning <table>, <noinclude>, <includeonly> don't really work then`
`21:41.37`	`watchout`	`aaa damn it.. stupid mediawiki`
`21:44.53`	`Skyfire`	`you can tell fandy prefers thottbot... :/`
`21:50.37`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Murloc_%28April_Fools%29`
`21:50.42`	`Bagginsww`	`added that to april fool's list`
`21:50.45`	`Bagginsww`	`needs a date`
`21:50.50`	`Bagginsww`	`I don't remmeber which year that was`
`21:52.55`	`Skyfire`	`it was 05`
`21:53.00`	`Skyfire`	`i think`
`21:53.32`	`Skyfire`	`it was wisps, burgercraft, and "evil patch notes" in 05 http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/news/wow-news-04-2006.html`
`21:53.38`	`Skyfire`	`06*`
`21:55.44`	`Bagginsww`	`2005 according to wikipedia`
`21:55.44`	`Bagginsww`	`odd`
`21:56.01`	`Skyfire`	`agh, i'm having issues. i do think it was 05 for the murlocs...`
`21:56.10`	`Skyfire`	`wait, fangtooth was still around when that happened`
`21:56.18`	`Skyfire`	`it had to have been 05, no>?`
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`22:13.29`	`foxlit`	`panda/burgercraft were in 05`
`22:13.37`	`foxlit`	`wisps/patch was in 06`
`22:15.01`	`Bagginsww`	`there were several april fool's jokes in 05`
`22:15.11`	`Bagginsww`	`change to "battlegrounds"`
`22:15.14`	`Bagginsww`	`was another`
`22:15.28`	`foxlit`	`EU had some sort of starbacks parody.`
`22:15.39`	`foxlit`	`Warbucks?`
`22:15.49`	`Bagginsww`	`ya`
`22:15.53`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:April_Fools`
`22:17.14`	`foxlit`	`{{silly}} looks silly.`
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`22:18.18`	`Skyfire`	`lol`
`22:18.36`	`Skyfire`	`btw, watchout, i am officially bugging you about the guild boilerplate now. :P`
`22:20.13`	`watchout`	`nah sorry, my bot's bugging me too`
`22:21.00`	`watchout`	`now it omit's the last character`
`22:21.50`	`watchout`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Runecloth&diff=531105&oldid=531077`
`22:22.33`	`Skyfire`	`lol!`
`22:22.55`	`Skyfire`	`ok. ill be back to bother you tomorrow ;P`
`22:23.03`	`watchout`	`;P`
`22:25.01`	`kaso`	`Anyone know about {{tooltip }} what is the \|desc tag for, seems a mystery`
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`22:26.30`	`kaso`	`or the \|source`
`22:26.35`	`kaso`	`whats that for also >.<`
`22:26.40`	`Skyfire`	`\|source=Drop or Profession, etc`
`22:26.46`	`Skyfire`	`\|source=Quest`
`22:26.49`	`kaso`	`ah`
`22:27.01`	`Skyfire`	`as to \|desc, I'd make a sandbox and test it out :]`
`22:27.51`	`kaso`	`Seems to do exactly the same as \|comment`
`22:28.15`	`kaso`	`except slight brighter yellow`
`22:28.38`	`Skyfire`	`than it's prolly an outdated version of \|comment`
`22:28.45`	`kaso`	`fair enough`
`22:28.54`	`Skyfire`	`:)`
`22:31.50`	`Skyfire`	`btw, watchout, did those edits to the various mats all work correctly? or did they all have issues with <noinclude>?`
`22:32.17`	`kaso`	`various mats whatcha mean?`
`22:33.09`	`Skyfire`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contrbutions/Watchoutbot`
`22:33.26`	`Skyfire`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Watchoutbot`
`22:33.28`	`Skyfire`	`:x`
`22:34.15`	`kaso`	`Im totally lost as to what you mean`
`22:34.51`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Human`
`22:34.56`	`Bagginsww`	`the sections marked "observation"`
`22:35.25`	`Bagginsww`	`much of that material might actually be from official sources such as the RPG rather than "player made"`
`22:39.41`	`Bagginsww`	`plus its a rather ugly template :p`
`22:40.14`	`Skyfire`	`eh, not a hard conversion from that to {{server}}/{{guild}}`
`22:40.39`	`Skyfire`	`and you're right. those might be rpg additions`
`22:47.12`	`watchout`	`Skyfire, I checked all edits from my bot, but if you like you can check them too`
`22:47.41`	`watchout`	`I think I found the source now though :P`
`22:47.57`	`watchout`	`went all the way down to the http protocol handling... sigh`
`22:53.41`	`watchout`	`worx :)`
`22:58.24`	`Gryphen`	`[11:45:22] <watchout> I think it was gryphon, though I'm not sure`
`22:58.27`	`Gryphen`	`havent been on all day`
`22:59.05`	`watchout`	`I know, but your brain emitted wiki-disrupting waves`
`23:04.37`	`Skyfire`	`lol`
`23:04.56`	`Skyfire`	`and then i told him it wasn't you gryph ;P`
`23:05.02`	`Skyfire`	`read a little further`
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`23:25.36`	`watchout`	`ah damn I got a headache...`
`23:26.21`	`watchout`	`bot is running smoothly - first 100 batch, I'm checking random pages if it works right, after that I set it to 1k and go to sleep`
`23:35.09`	`Skyfire`	`once per 10 seconds and you haven't killed the wiki. yay!`
`23:35.14`	`Skyfire`	`:)`
`23:36.34`	`watchout`	`hey, what do you think of me?`
`23:36.45`	`Skyfire`	`?`
`23:37.06`	`watchout`	`should've been once per 4-5 seconds though, stupid timeouts kill my plans :P`
`23:37.33`	`Skyfire`	`lawl`
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`23:38.10`	`watchout`	`just waiting for the 100 to finish, or should I start another thread? :D`
`23:39.13`	`Skyfire`	`set to once every 10 seconds?`
`23:41.13`	`Skyfire`	`sure, set it to 1k, and check it every 15 minutes or so`
`23:41.16`	`Bagginsww`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Khardros_Wildhammer`
`23:41.28`	`Bagginsww`	`someone want to check and fix the succession boxes I added?`
`23:41.49`	`Bagginsww`	`not sure how to do to do it for current king.`
`23:42.46`	`watchout`	`Skyfire, I won't check it every 15min if I go to sleep :P`
`23:42.47`	`Skyfire`	`"Current" I think is standard; go check Illidan's page`
`23:42.55`	`Skyfire`	`er, well... uh..`
`23:43.01`	`Skyfire`	`how long do you plan on sleeping?`
`23:43.05`	`Skyfire`	`:x`
`23:43.30`	`Bagginsww`	`I pulled the succesion box off of kael'thas page`
`23:43.34`	`watchout`	`longer than 15min :D`
`23:43.48`	`watchout`	`it's 12:45 AM here...`
`23:44.14`	`Skyfire`	`so, set it to 5k edits and don't check it. that's about 15 hours worth :)`
`23:44.30`	`Skyfire`	`13 and 8/9`
`23:44.32`	`Skyfire`	`:x`
`23:44.58`	`watchout`	`yeah I just checked it, there's something between 4k-5k pages left`
`23:45.08`	`watchout`	`so the bot will finish this run`
`23:45.24`	`watchout`	`with the elinksitem at least`
`23:47.37`	`Skyfire`	`well, b4 u go to bed, go comment on monty's master plan`
`23:49.23`	`watchout`	`funny, http://www.wowwiki.com/Tear_Stained_Handkerchief won't parse, just tried it the 2nd time`
`23:51.51`	`watchout`	`ah well, if it's only that one we can change it by hand too - see you all ;)`
`23:55.39`	`Skyfire`	`night`

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