| 00:00.23 | sancus | It's about making the UI do things and respond in a meaningful way |
| 00:00.29 | sancus | it's certainly not easy, or it would already be done |
| 00:00.48 | Kirkburn|afk | The wWin95 thing - http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2004/04/26/120193.aspx |
| 00:01.20 | sancus | the application should "do the right thing" itself |
| 00:01.24 | sancus | not ask the user to answer a question they can't answer |
| 00:01.29 | amro | sancus, if it's about warning users of security issues, it would have to be lengthier |
| 00:01.32 | sancus | no |
| 00:01.39 | sancus | That's exactly it, warning them is worthless |
| 00:01.51 | amro | what do you want the interface to do? |
| 00:01.53 | sancus | because how are they supposed to get anything useful out of a warning? |
| 00:02.06 | amro | they're not allowed to bitch afterwards |
| 00:04.11 | amro | now I don't even now how the discussion got steered this way, but users that are careful enough can avoid problems |
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| 00:06.37 | sancus | lol |
| 00:06.59 | sancus | Attitudes like that are exactly why security is broken, because expecting users to read everything they've already been specifically trained not to read is just bad design |
| 00:07.27 | amro | they haven't been "trained" to |
| 00:07.32 | amro | they're just used to it |
| 00:07.33 | sancus | yep they have |
| 00:07.34 | sancus | again |
| 00:07.36 | sancus | read the pdf |
| 00:07.57 | sancus | don't waste my time by arguing with me if you aren't even going to read the actual research |
| 00:07.57 | amro | sancus, what do you suggest? |
| 00:09.26 | sancus | I suggest reading Peter Gutmann's work! There's no simple one-line "suggestion" that can fix anything complex. |
| 00:09.38 | sancus | The correct suggestion is tens of pages long |
| 00:10.31 | amro | lol sancus, I'm just messing with you. you're expecting me to read something telling people not to expect others to read stuff =P |
| 00:10.45 | sancus | false |
| 00:11.07 | sancus | I'm expecting you to read documents that help programmers design things correctly for users who have been conditioned not to read warning messages |
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| 00:11.41 | sancus | documents for programmers and user warning messages dont really have anything to do with eachother |
| 00:13.53 | amro | sancus, we were talking about different things |
| 00:14.23 | amro | that document deals mainly with phishing, i was talking about not getting your computer full of virii ad spyware |
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| 00:19.41 | sancus | http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_6420000/newsid_6426900/6426973.stm?bw=nb&mp=wm |
| 00:19.43 | sancus | eve on bbc! |
| 00:20.59 | Kirkburn|afk | They're covering GDC? |
| 00:22.11 | Kirkburn|afk | "C'mon, let's go and shoot someone" ... typical BBC reporter :P |
| 00:22.49 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, is that fleet battle he mentioned the one you told me about? |
| 00:23.06 | sancus | no idea |
| 00:23.10 | sancus | I didnt watch the whole thing |
| 00:23.18 | sancus | because news reports about a game I actually play are boring as fuck :P |
| 00:23.27 | amro | I miss EVE |
| 00:23.33 | sancus | where is it |
| 00:23.38 | sancus | like what time in the vid |
| 00:24.33 | Kirkburn|afk | He said a few days ago there was a fleet battle with over 1,000 people |
| 00:24.48 | Kirkburn|afk | About 2 mins |
| 00:25.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Portal looks awesome! http://www.halflife2.net/news//1173309422_pcgames02.jpg |
| 00:25.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm downloading some vids of it now :) |
| 00:26.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Along with Season 1 of House |
| 00:28.11 | sancus | sounds like he's just talking about fleet battles in general |
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| 00:36.24 | bleetah | Kirkburn|afk: aye, portal looks like shitloads of fun |
| 00:37.32 | bleetah | the whole.. escher style of physics seems very attractive |
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| 00:57.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey Tekkub |
| 00:57.38 | Tekkub | moo |
| 00:57.54 | Kirkburn|afk | zomg new guideline zomg |
| 00:58.21 | Tekkub | zomg zeas drama :P |
| 00:58.26 | Tekkub | *zeal |
| 01:03.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Darn, still got 892 edits to go until 10,000 |
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| 01:07.40 | amro | http://www.wowwiki.com/Weapon_Expetise |
| 01:07.50 | amro | im an expet! |
| 01:08.07 | Kirkburn|afk | :/ |
| 01:08.42 | amro | it links to the proper title |
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| 03:18.11 | Hobinheim|work | i know i said i'd work on some bots.... |
| 03:18.17 | Hobinheim|work | is anyone else on it? |
| 03:18.22 | Hobinheim|work | i feel guilty for slacking at work =( |
| 03:18.26 | Hobinheim|work | but i did come back from the gym! |
| 03:19.30 | Kirkburn|afk | hey hob :) |
| 03:20.09 | Hobinheim|afk | what up sir |
| 03:20.24 | Hobinheim|afk | Kirkburn|afk, have there been any progress on the bot requests? |
| 03:20.31 | Hobinheim|afk | i don't wanna step on anyone's toes |
| 03:21.57 | Hobinheim|afk | and if no, what do we want first, the bc band or elink |
| 03:24.13 | Kirkburn|afk | No progress, so go ahead :) |
| 03:24.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Elink I guess |
| 03:24.45 | Kirkburn|afk | This shows how to form it - http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Elinks |
| 03:26.30 | Hobinheim|afk | internet is dying |
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| 03:36.53 | Hobinheim|afk | my internet connection is dying in slow motion i dunno how productive i'll be tonight |
| 03:38.41 | Kirkburn|afk | :( |
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| 03:58.08 | Hobinheim|afk | so i'm trying to like... do my dialy goof off and just browse the net |
| 03:58.15 | Hobinheim|afk | i have to like... look at one web page at a time |
| 03:58.40 | Hobinheim|afk | like i don't know if these messages are getting through |
| 03:58.43 | Hobinheim|afk | and i don't know if i'm missing any |
| 04:07.56 | Hobinheim|afk | is anyone out there? |
| 04:07.57 | Hobinheim|afk | ping me |
| 04:08.04 | Kirkburn|afk | You pong |
| 04:08.21 | Kirkburn|afk | IRC uses bugger all bandwidth at least :) |
| 04:08.53 | Hobinheim|afk | you lost me at slang |
| 04:08.58 | Hobinheim|afk | very little or a lot? |
| 04:09.04 | Hobinheim|afk | cuz i'm gonna lean on very little |
| 04:09.07 | Kirkburn|afk | V little :P |
| 04:09.23 | Hobinheim|afk | oh and i'm only in my teens but dare i say i don't like affliction |
| 04:09.38 | Hobinheim|afk | it's funny how the first few points of destro and affliction make different spells faste |
| 04:09.47 | Hobinheim|afk | affliction = immolate is so fucking slow |
| 04:09.52 | Hobinheim|afk | destro = corrupt is so fucking slow |
| 04:09.57 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 04:10.07 | Hobinheim|afk | demo = well i guess i didn't know any better in the first place |
| 04:10.24 | Hobinheim|afk | and i play like a bot. affliction is only good if you multi tag mobs constantly |
| 04:12.50 | Hobinheim|afk | i have this feeling that i will like destro more |
| 04:13.00 | Hobinheim|afk | so upsetting since everyone on the forums has a boner for affliction |
| 04:13.07 | Hobinheim|afk | 42/8/11 is the new thing on the block |
| 04:13.23 | Hobinheim|afk | imp howl, ua, and something else. stamina and imp imp, and then shadowburn |
| 04:13.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Demo is awesome |
| 04:13.37 | Hobinheim|afk | i plan on always beeing 61 points deep. Kirkburn|afk, what's your spec |
| 04:13.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Felguard rocks everything |
| 04:14.16 | Hobinheim|afk | people are still trying to find out the pwnage point of demo, since all they do is sing praises about affliction |
| 04:14.24 | Hobinheim|afk | i just said mana feed and judicious chaining |
| 04:14.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Everything I can to improve the felguard (so everything in Demo except other pet improvements) and rest afflic |
| 04:15.06 | Hobinheim|afk | how deep? |
| 04:16.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Into afflic? |
| 04:16.21 | Hobinheim|afk | yeah |
| 04:16.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I can't remember :P |
| 04:16.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Sec |
| 04:18.23 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=IVMdVZ0gczIizcest |
| 04:18.32 | Kirkburn|afk | 15/46/0 |
| 04:19.11 | Hobinheim|afk | did you do that yourself? |
| 04:19.15 | Hobinheim|afk | you could have, you know, armory'ed it |
| 04:20.14 | Hobinheim|afk | omg browsing pages is so painful. it's like one thing at a time. this is 2007 c'mon! |
| 04:20.31 | Hobinheim|afk | man really about that felguard huh |
| 04:21.13 | Hobinheim|afk | c'mon man where's your master conjuror and imp enslave!!!! |
| 04:22.01 | Kirkburn|afk | hehehe |
| 04:22.08 | Hobinheim|afk | dude 3/3 feed and 2/2 tap must be HOTT |
| 04:22.14 | Hobinheim|afk | and one siphon |
| 04:22.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim|afk, can't armory it - haven't logged in to it yet |
| 04:22.27 | Hobinheim|afk | logged into it????? |
| 04:22.37 | Hobinheim|afk | you don't log into anything, you just look up your profile |
| 04:22.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yeah, I can fill up my felguards mana bar in about 2 taps |
| 04:22.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I haven't logged in recently for it to get the info on logout] |
| 04:23.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Y'know Warcraft is now going to take over all the Google results for Armory too :/ |
| 04:24.07 | Kirkburn|afk | I had wondered what happened to ImproveDressingRoom and UndressButton - they became CloseUp |
| 04:24.38 | Hobinheim|afk | ? |
| 04:24.40 | Hobinheim|afk | what are those? |
| 04:25.21 | Hobinheim|afk | see i have this theory that deep talents are worth more than shallow talents of other trees |
| 04:25.34 | Hobinheim|afk | Felguard is worth more than imp corr.41 levels actually |
| 04:25.53 | Hobinheim|afk | but i doubt there is any warlock in the universe, besides myself, who would stick up for imp enslave or master conjuror |
| 04:25.57 | Kirkburn|afk | http://armory.wow-europe.com/?#character-sheet.xml?r=Dragonblight&n=Warburn |
| 04:25.59 | Hobinheim|afk | in the face of two points elsewhere |
| 04:26.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Uh, no |
| 04:28.58 | Hobinheim|afk | i hate this i can barely look at any web page |
| 04:29.08 | Hobinheim|afk | i could just write a bot blind, click run and see what happens =) |
| 04:30.56 | Kirkburn|afk | :( |
| 04:31.09 | Hobinheim|afk | okay i'm just going to pretend i didn't promsie anything tonight |
| 04:31.13 | Hobinheim|afk | cuz this is rediculous... |
| 04:31.32 | Hobinheim|afk | i wonder what happens if i try to launch wow |
| 04:41.47 | Hobinheim|afk | is it sufficient to download a rogue patch and then just run the launcher to do the checksum? |
| 04:42.22 | Karrion | Hobinheim|afk: run the downloader tool |
| 04:57.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Yay, found an MD5 checker |
| 04:57.11 | Kirkburn|afk | And I got the clean patch |
| 04:57.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim|afk, want a link to an MD5 checker? |
| 04:57.38 | Hobinheim|afk | no, just curious |
| 04:57.52 | Kirkburn|afk | kk |
| 05:03.50 | Hobinheim|afk | i can't even log into my server where i write my scripts |
| 05:03.58 | Hobinheim|afk | excuses excuses... damn you shitty american internet connection! |
| 05:04.21 | Hobinheim|afk | and i'm getting sleepy =( |
| 05:05.38 | Hobinheim|afk | w/e. i'm passing out. clearly not working =( |
| 05:05.40 | Hobinheim|afk | sorry dude |
| 05:05.54 | Hobinheim|afk | maybe i can squeeze one out if i'm at work |
| 05:05.57 | Hobinheim|afk | or if i come in early |
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| 15:24.14 | winkiller | is there any page with the new pvp rewards? |
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| 15:30.07 | Tepetkhet | So cold... |
| 15:32.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 15:32.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | its nice and warm here |
| 15:32.38 | Tuqui-tuqui | 24 degrees :D |
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| 15:41.13 | Tepet|Work | hrm |
| 15:41.26 | Tepet|Work | brb |
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| 15:42.37 | Tepet|Work | Did I forget to change my nick at home or something? |
| 15:48.38 | equiraptor | Yup. |
| 15:48.48 | equiraptor | There's still a Tepetkhet in this channel. |
| 15:50.42 | equiraptor | And now the Tepetkhet is gone. |
| 15:50.43 | equiraptor | :) |
| 15:53.31 | Tepet|Work | It is? |
| 15:53.37 | Tepet|Work | Weird. |
| 15:53.59 | Tepet|Work | I show me as Tepetkhet and there's a Tepetkhet and Tepet|Work |
| 15:54.26 | equiraptor | 09:50 Tepetkhet [n=Tepetkhe@office70.corp.sspan.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] |
| 15:54.35 | equiraptor | (it's 9:45 here now) |
| 15:54.51 | equiraptor | And I see you as Tepet|Work |
| 15:54.55 | Tepet|Work | erm... |
| 15:54.57 | Tepet|Work | BRB |
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| 15:56.11 | equiraptor | Now you look like Tepetkhet. |
| 15:56.32 | Tepetkhet | Phew. |
| 15:56.49 | equiraptor | Poor tep. |
| 15:57.01 | Tepetkhet | Identity crisis. |
| 15:57.17 | Tepetkhet | Still giving you trouble? |
| 15:57.27 | equiraptor | No, actually. |
| 15:57.43 | equiraptor | It looks like they're healed up and happy. I no longer have any pain, numbness, or odd feelings from them. |
| 15:57.50 | equiraptor | And I can put in the earrings without a mirror again. |
| 15:58.33 | equiraptor | So I shoudl be good. I can go back to only wearing earrings if I want to. :) |
| 16:01.59 | Tepetkhet | Good... |
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| 16:06.47 | Tepetkhet | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=29534 |
| 16:06.50 | Tepetkhet | <3 |
| 16:09.39 | Hobinheim|afk | paging Kirkburn|afk |
| 16:12.13 | Hobinheim|work | well the bc bot is done |
| 16:12.18 | Hobinheim|work | i'm just not letting it loose yet |
| 16:12.25 | Hobinheim|work | to see how it's doing, check out Hobinbot's contributions |
| 16:12.46 | Hobinheim|work | page me if you wanna see more |
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| 16:31.14 | Hobinheim|work | yo Gryphen |
| 16:31.34 | Gryphen | yo |
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| 16:50.16 | Tepetkhet | Yaaarrrr. |
| 16:50.36 | equiraptor | Yo ho ho and a bottle of rum. |
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| 16:51.15 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 16:51.16 | Zorkmid25 | WoW sucks, wheres that in the wiki? |
| 16:51.53 | Tepetkhet | That would be under the "opinions and flamebait" section. |
| 16:52.04 | Zorkmid25 | ah |
| 16:52.34 | Tepetkhet | We already have a section for trolls, but it's for the tusked variety. |
| 16:52.38 | Zorkmid25 | Well what about the part that talks about how warcraft has little to do with any skill, and more to do with which ever guy logs on and plays the longest is the better play? |
| 16:52.58 | Tepetkhet | Same section. |
| 16:53.01 | Zorkmid25 | And what about the part that says raiding consists merely of doing the same thing night after night? |
| 16:53.03 | equiraptor | The part that also says, "Play for fun, not to measure your dick." |
| 16:53.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | or "take a break... come back in 2 months" |
| 16:53.47 | Zorkmid25 | Only people with addictive personalities could consider this game to be fun |
| 16:53.59 | Tepetkhet | If logging in and playing the longest were valid measures of the best players, then why do I suck? |
| 16:54.00 | Tepetkhet | gee. |
| 16:54.10 | Zorkmid25 | Its fun the same way that a slot machine is fun |
| 16:54.10 | Tepetkhet | Grant me your wisdom, Zorkmid25! |
| 16:54.12 | equiraptor | 'cuz you don't play that much, tep. |
| 16:54.22 | equiraptor | Zorkmid25: Then you're playing it wrong. go find a different game. |
| 16:54.59 | Zorkmid25 | i dont play WoW anymore |
| 16:55.13 | Tepetkhet | Then why are you in a WoW-related channel? |
| 16:55.18 | equiraptor | Then go have fun doing whatever you do now, and leave us be. |
| 16:55.23 | Tepetkhet | Go find something else to do with your time. |
| 16:55.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 16:55.24 | Zorkmid25 | and if I can make one person consider quitting, I feel I'm doing a public service |
| 16:55.37 | equiraptor | Then you have a twisted view of "public service." |
| 16:55.48 | Tepetkhet | Why don't you use that energy to encourage people to stop smoking or doing drugs instead? |
| 16:55.49 | Zorkmid25 | Ive saved hundreds of children from WoW |
| 16:55.53 | Tepetkhet | Or beating their spouses? |
| 16:56.01 | Tepetkhet | If you're so community-minded. |
| 16:56.08 | equiraptor | Sounds like a good plan. |
| 16:56.11 | Zorkmid25 | if you're over 19, go ahead and play |
| 16:56.20 | equiraptor | I know my uncle could have used someone helping him in that area. |
| 16:56.26 | equiraptor | It's too late for him now, though. |
| 16:56.29 | Tepetkhet | I'm 36. |
| 16:56.40 | equiraptor | Why 19? |
| 16:56.41 | Zorkmid25 | if you spend several night a week playing a video game as an adult, you're going to be pretty useless to society anyways, so just sit in front of that computer. |
| 16:56.51 | equiraptor | Heh. |
| 16:56.54 | equiraptor | I love it. |
| 16:56.55 | Tepetkhet | *rofl* |
| 16:57.16 | equiraptor | "pretty useless," eh? |
| 16:57.22 | Zorkmid25 | its the 13-18 year olds that it is crucial to get to |
| 16:57.23 | Tepetkhet | So glad we have people like Zorkmid25 to dictate what's useful. |
| 16:57.32 | Tepetkhet | Trolling IRC channels is hardly useful and productive. |
| 16:57.35 | equiraptor | Apparently maintaining a stable job, donating money to charities, and helping friends is useless to society. |
| 16:58.03 | Tepetkhet | Now kindly go elsewhere and go "be productive." |
| 16:58.10 | *** join/#wowwiki Montagg (i=a87aac72@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-6496440258716f47) |
| 16:58.10 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Montagg] by ChanServ |
| 16:58.13 | Zorkmid25 | equi, if those things are true, you'd be the exception |
| 16:58.19 | equiraptor | Zorkmid25: Really? |
| 16:58.27 | Zorkmid25 | I dont consider Walmart or Circuit City to be a stable job |
| 16:58.28 | equiraptor | Because most of the people I know who play WoW quite a bit fit that pattern. |
| 16:58.35 | Zorkmid25 | thats what most of my old guildies did |
| 16:58.51 | Zorkmid25 | they were all walmarters |
| 16:58.55 | Zorkmid25 | managers no less. |
| 16:59.02 | Zorkmid25 | but making 10-12 bukcs an hours |
| 16:59.05 | equiraptor | So you assume the other 8 million people playing WoW are the same way? |
| 16:59.06 | Zorkmid25 | hating their jobs |
| 16:59.14 | equiraptor | That seems like a pretty poor assumption, to me. |
| 16:59.23 | Zorkmid25 | looking to warcraft to kill the pain since they say alcohol is too expensive |
| 16:59.43 | Montagg | Zorkmid25: I never thought of it that way... Good point. |
| 16:59.44 | equiraptor | Heh. WoW's a much better way to kill pain than alcohol. Much less long term damage done to the body, generally. |
| 17:00.52 | Zorkmid25 | maybe Equi, but it is no less of a destructive habit |
| 17:00.59 | equiraptor | I dunno. |
| 17:01.11 | equiraptor | I'd say it probably is less destructive a habit in most cases. |
| 17:01.35 | equiraptor | Look at the statistics. How many people actually have problems due to WoW in any given year when compared with the total population that plays? |
| 17:01.36 | Zorkmid25 | At least there is rehab and AA for alcoholics |
| 17:01.40 | equiraptor | It's a pretty small percent. |
| 17:01.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | wait... did you just compare me to an alcoholic? |
| 17:01.52 | equiraptor | Actually, there's rehab for people addicted to the Internet and games now, too. |
| 17:01.52 | Montagg | I think if you argued that WoW is a destructive habit, you would have to argue that all entertainment-related habits are invariably destructive. |
| 17:02.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | you my friend are a douche |
| 17:02.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | to generalize everyone in such an insolent manner |
| 17:02.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | I can assure you I make more money than you do |
| 17:02.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | I sponsor two children |
| 17:02.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | I have a g/f whom I go out with frequently |
| 17:02.38 | equiraptor | Hey, no need to get into a "who makes more" competition. |
| 17:02.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | and Im in plans to adopt a child... |
| 17:03.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | now youre saying that because I like WoW, Im no better than an alcoholic? |
| 17:03.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | get real |
| 17:03.11 | Tepetkhet | Tuqui-tuqui: ConGrabulations! :) |
| 17:03.11 | Montagg | All of whom you intend to make play WoW, right Tuqui-tuqui? ;-) |
| 17:03.16 | Zorkmid25 | tuqui, dont tell the agency you play wow everyday |
| 17:03.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | you my friend... are now in my ignore list |
| 17:03.36 | Zorkmid25 | lol |
| 17:03.40 | Tuqui-tuqui | GG |
| 17:04.08 | equiraptor | I wonder if I should go get my blood test yet... |
| 17:04.15 | Montagg | Tuqui-tuqui: I think he's saying that the majority of people who play WoW are in low paying jobs, which is probably true because a majority are in their twenties and just out of college. |
| 17:04.15 | Zorkmid25 | Why are people giving out your life stories over the internet like that? |
| 17:04.24 | Tepetkhet | I suppose people who go to baseball games are just as bad. People who eat chocolate every day are worse. |
| 17:04.35 | Zorkmid25 | tep? how? |
| 17:04.39 | Tepetkhet | I wonder where Internet trolls fit into it? |
| 17:04.47 | Zorkmid25 | a baseball game isnt something people do 6-8 hours a day. |
| 17:04.52 | Zorkmid25 | its not |
| 17:04.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | people who are afraid to voice their opinions in person |
| 17:05.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | anyhoo... I like WoW ^_^ |
| 17:05.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | fun stuff |
| 17:05.28 | equiraptor | I wonder how many hours a week the typical WoW player plays. |
| 17:05.42 | equiraptor | I suspect it's less than 42. |
| 17:05.42 | Zorkmid25 | someone tell tuqui that I do voice my opinion in person and everywhere |
| 17:05.52 | Zorkmid25 | I run the site www.wowdetox.com |
| 17:05.59 | Montagg | Wild guess would be 20 hours, which is about how much people watch TV a week. |
| 17:06.08 | Tepetkhet | TV is evil, too. |
| 17:06.16 | Zorkmid25 | equi raptor |
| 17:06.19 | equiraptor | At least WoW is somewhat interactive! |
| 17:06.20 | Tepetkhet | I wonder if Zorkmid25 watches TV. |
| 17:06.23 | Zorkmid25 | I have seen WoW raiders first han |
| 17:06.24 | Zorkmid25 | d |
| 17:06.27 | Montagg | Of course, but it's more socially acceptable. =c) |
| 17:06.28 | Tepetkhet | Or goes to the movies. |
| 17:06.41 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 17:06.42 | Zorkmid25 | Tv and movies are not the same thing |
| 17:06.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | Im a huge movie buff |
| 17:06.52 | Tepetkhet | Montagg: Smoking was also more socially acceptable at one point. |
| 17:07.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | everyone Ive dated have had to be either movie or theater buffs :D |
| 17:07.05 | Zorkmid25 | WoW and other MMORPGs are an addictive force that is harmful to western society |
| 17:07.15 | equiraptor | No, they're not. |
| 17:07.23 | equiraptor | People with addictive personalities have issues. |
| 17:07.29 | Zorkmid25 | it is growing at an exponential rate and people were not ready for it |
| 17:07.40 | equiraptor | It doesn't matter what the thing is (MMO, alcohol, whatever) the person will have issues until they deal with the source, not the distraction. |
| 17:08.20 | equiraptor | Aren't the majority of WoW accounts Eastern, not Western, anyway? |
| 17:08.32 | Zorkmid25 | Heres some quotes from my site...... |
| 17:08.33 | Zorkmid25 | I quit cold turkey and asked my daughter if she would like it if I read books to her every night instead of playing the computer game. The four-year-old looked up at me with big eyes and said, "I could get used to that Daddy." I'm never going back. |
| 17:08.44 | equiraptor | Oh, no. |
| 17:08.47 | Zorkmid25 | #13921 I just deleted three lvl 60s and I almost punched my mother. THIS GAME IS EVIL. Quit now, I can't believe what it has turned me into. I'm 36 years old and I don't recognize myself anymore. All my money belongs to this game. Why can't I stop? WHY, WHY NOT. My life is rapidly spiralling downwards. My only friends are the ones that are in my clan. I NEED SOME FREAKIN HELP. I weigh 248 pounds and i'm 5' 5" . Help please. |
| 17:08.51 | equiraptor | Not the "for the children" whining. |
| 17:08.53 | equiraptor | Grow up. |
| 17:09.13 | Zorkmid25 | equi, what else is there? |
| 17:09.22 | Zorkmid25 | Because being forced to heal as a shaman sucks. Not to mention there is tons of other things I could do with the 40 hours I spend playing a week. |
| 17:09.24 | equiraptor | Ya know, my life has gotten better since I started playing WoW. |
| 17:09.34 | Zorkmid25 | good for you |
| 17:09.50 | Zorkmid25 | Im not saying its bad for everyone |
| 17:09.52 | Zorkmid25 | point taken |
| 17:09.56 | Zorkmid25 | you're the lucky one |
| 17:09.56 | equiraptor | Yes, you are. |
| 17:10.07 | equiraptor | harmful to western society |
| 17:10.16 | Zorkmid25 | I know a guy who plays wow compulsively. apart from working and ordering food he plays. he is in his mid-late 20s and I suspect he'll get to his 30s and realise what a waste it has been. I used to play games until I was 16 I'm so glad I never got into wow. It is JUST a game and I hope it gets treated as such. Full credit though to the creators they are genious' for understanding human nature. |
| 17:10.22 | Tepetkhet | Why not Eastern society? |
| 17:10.26 | equiraptor | Then he needs to deal with his personal issues. |
| 17:10.29 | Tepetkhet | It's not harmful to them? |
| 17:10.34 | Zorkmid25 | just because it doesnt hurt you don't mean its not hurting your community |
| 17:10.37 | equiraptor | He doesn't need you to come in here and claim that WoW is the cause of these problems. |
| 17:10.39 | Hobinheim|work | yo Montagg, what up |
| 17:10.53 | equiraptor | It's not. |
| 17:11.27 | Zorkmid25 | this one is funny, lol |
| 17:11.27 | Zorkmid25 | I was meeting more people online than offline. And I'm pretty sure the hot girls I was meeting online weren't nearly as hot offline. Worse, I even have a sneaking suspicion they were teenage. Teenage boys. :( |
| 17:11.40 | equiraptor | I know more people online than offline. |
| 17:11.49 | Montagg | Hobinheim|work: My laptop's keyboard is dead, so I've been struggling through writing 20 pages worth of papers in computer labs. |
| 17:12.02 | equiraptor | When traveling, I frequently try to meet these people in person. |
| 17:12.03 | Hobinheim|work | uhh a vandal |
| 17:12.04 | Hobinheim|work | super... |
| 17:12.05 | Hobinheim|work | brb |
| 17:12.08 | Zorkmid25 | I had alot of people I considered friends when I played |
| 17:12.10 | Montagg | Go hob! |
| 17:12.26 | *** join/#wowwiki Trae (n=october@ip24-252-207-46.mc.at.cox.net) |
| 17:12.26 | equiraptor | I have friends throughout the world, now, who would happily give me couch space if I was traveling in that area. |
| 17:12.30 | Zorkmid25 | I was a t3 tank back before the expansion |
| 17:12.46 | equiraptor | And I'd happily give them couch space here. It's great to be able to see different cultures like this. |
| 17:12.53 | Zorkmid25 | I decided to quit, and posted on the guild website. |
| 17:13.23 | Hobinheim|work | fucking losers |
| 17:13.27 | Hobinheim|work | triple vandals |
| 17:13.31 | Hobinheim|work | reactive blocks, all of them, haha |
| 17:13.34 | Zorkmid25 | Sure there were a few people that were sad and that I still talk to and have met, but the VAST majority were more interested in flaming and insisting that my character should be given to the guild. |
| 17:13.34 | equiraptor | Sheesh. |
| 17:13.35 | Hobinheim|work | brb......... |
| 17:13.50 | equiraptor | It'd be nice if people could find way to waste their time that didn't involve making others' lives more difficult. |
| 17:13.57 | equiraptor | Oh, wait, WoW's really great for that! |
| 17:14.17 | equiraptor | Well, if you talked to them like you talked to us in here, I can understand why they'd flame you. |
| 17:14.34 | equiraptor | Of course, with what you said earlier about your guild, it sounds like it was one of the crappy ones, anyway. |
| 17:14.41 | Zorkmid25 | It gave me a perspective about what a the average WoW guildmate is really interested in, just loot and prgression in the game (even though this guild was pretty much at the game's end) and not so much about meeting people and having fun |
| 17:14.43 | Hobinheim|work | fuck i hate e-losers |
| 17:15.05 | equiraptor | That's a hallmark of a bad guild. |
| 17:15.14 | equiraptor | Yeah, there are a lot of guild's like that, but I've never been in one. |
| 17:15.28 | Zorkmid25 | equi, this guild didn't seem bad at all. |
| 17:15.39 | equiraptor | ORLY? |
| 17:15.46 | Zorkmid25 | I was in serveal end game guilds and this one seemed to me to be the best I was involved with |
| 17:15.48 | equiraptor | That's not the picture you drew earlier. |
| 17:16.06 | Zorkmid25 | well |
| 17:16.13 | Zorkmid25 | the picture changed as soon as I quit |
| 17:16.16 | Zorkmid25 | thats my point |
| 17:16.34 | Zorkmid25 | The game just was consuming all my free time. I was neglecting the things that where most important in my life which was my family and friends. I was spending way to much time going after items that all they amounted to where pixels on a screen. |
| 17:16.45 | Zorkmid25 | I got irritated running around endlessly and when I got my mount at lvl 40, there was nothing left to play for. |
| 17:16.58 | equiraptor | "The game just was consuming all my free time." That's the proof that you needed to quit, and not be in a guild like that in the first place. |
| 17:16.59 | Zorkmid25 | 5,999,999 idiots. |
| 17:17.04 | Zorkmid25 | lol |
| 17:17.08 | Zorkmid25 | that isnt my opinion |
| 17:17.25 | equiraptor | If you're letting the game consume all your free time, you have problems. |
| 17:17.40 | equiraptor | And if your guild is encouraging this or even supporting this, it's not a good guild. |
| 17:17.51 | Zorkmid25 | MMORPGs are not like other games, they have an addicting property that other games do not have |
| 17:18.10 | equiraptor | For some, yes. |
| 17:18.19 | equiraptor | But it's not like the addictive quality that nicotine has. |
| 17:18.25 | Zorkmid25 | I am now on medication for depression because my parents took away the game after I was spending way too much time on it. I don't have very good social skills in RL. So I used this. |
| 17:18.35 | Zorkmid25 | After 7 hours in a 5 man instance, playing MH for a three man group, my ass is killing me. |
| 17:18.46 | Zorkmid25 | Blizzard Favors the Horde, Classes are boring, Gameplay is Boring, Not much to do at Level 60, The Community is comparable to a fourth grade class, and its not worth shelling out $15 a month for all this crap they call a game. |
| 17:18.49 | equiraptor | I don't have very good social skills IRL either. |
| 17:18.58 | equiraptor | That's why I IRC. |
| 17:19.00 | Montagg | Class time. See you guys later. |
| 17:19.04 | Zorkmid25 | Because Blizzard ignored the players, the lore, and what warcraft was. The Game hit big on lore. Without a solid warcraft feel from the game now its just every other cookie cutter mmo destined to fall off to obsurity eventually. |
| 17:19.05 | Kirkburn|afk | See Montagg |
| 17:19.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | cya Montagg |
| 17:19.09 | Montagg | Good luck trying to sort out the social implications of WoW. =c) |
| 17:19.11 | Kirkburn|afk | ^ya! |
| 17:19.26 | Kirkburn|afk | ~ugt |
| 17:19.27 | infobot | it has been said that ugt is Universial Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 17:19.54 | Tepetkhet | Nice, Kirkburn|afk. That explains a lot. |
| 17:20.46 | Zorkmid25 | I preffered playing a real game where skill mattered. All that matters in Warcraft is how much gear you have. Too bad the gear you have is directly proportional to how little social skills you have. |
| 17:21.01 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn|afk, quadruple vandal |
| 17:21.19 | equiraptor | Zorkmid25: You don't play WoW like I do. |
| 17:21.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Hobinheim|work, ooh |
| 17:21.31 | Hobinheim|work | i'm cleaning up the images right now |
| 17:21.37 | Hobinheim|work | if you could document the four blocks, that would be super |
| 17:23.19 | Kirkburn|afk | kk |
| 17:23.53 | Zorkmid25 | I want to learn to play piano, which means I have to spend lots of time practicing, at least or more time than I spend in WoW. What do I get for spending that much time on WoW? |
| 17:24.05 | Zorkmid25 | #209 because you play countless hours each week to get better quipment so you can get better equipment to get even better equipment. |
| 17:24.30 | Zorkmid25 | I hate large guild politics, grouping with 40 random people who are just in it for the leet gear - and you are too, because you don't know any of these idiots but you need the gear to stay competitive and progress in the game you once loved. You miss your crappy little former guild with all your friends in it, but it wasn't big enough to raid. You still see your friends online sometimes... sometimes. |
| 17:25.05 | Hobinheim|work | dare i say five vandals |
| 17:25.21 | Zorkmid25 | Because you can't be the best at anything when you play solo and casual, and you can't have a life outside WoW if you're hardcore. |
| 17:25.32 | Zorkmid25 | It's like a Counter-Strike server that cost $15/month to play on. |
| 17:25.35 | equiraptor | And the only reason to play is to be the best at something. |
| 17:25.42 | Zorkmid25 | Because my Wife divorced me, took half my money, and the credit card I used to pay for WoW. |
| 17:25.43 | equiraptor | Oh, yes. That's the only possible desire someone could have. |
| 17:25.49 | Zorkmid25 | Because my four year old said When are you gonna be off the game? |
| 17:26.09 | equiraptor | You're a troll and nothing more. You think you're "helping" people, but you have a twisted world view. |
| 17:26.23 | equiraptor | I am now going to lunch. Have fun continuing to look stupid! :) |
| 17:26.28 | Zorkmid25 | Because I spend half my week getting Tier 1 and 2 gear that I can't even use half the time because I need more fire resist. After which I can't wear in AQ because I need Nature Resist. And now, Frost Resist!! We could have jumped straight to Naxx seeing as we don't even use what we previously spent 100's of hours getting! |
| 17:26.47 | Zorkmid25 | My mother went into a clinical depression wherein she decided to play WoW all day everyday, her business fell apart and she's saying she might be on the street within 3 months. |
| 17:26.51 | Hobinheim|work | crap i nuked a file =( |
| 17:27.06 | Zorkmid25 | You have to play the game 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, for three, four, five, six... more weeks STRAIGHT if you want to get rank 14 in PvP. Blizzard should be ashamed they have set up a system that requires that level of dedication, and worse, people do it. Not healthy. |
| 17:27.16 | Hobinheim|work | blah i nuked a map of azeroth =( |
| 17:27.32 | Hobinheim|work | some jerk overwrote it and i couldn't access the normal delete page |
| 17:27.36 | Zorkmid25 | Because it's the only place I know where a 17 year old can cuss me out, take something away from me(DKP), make my friends hate me and I will actually be apologetic and ashamed. |
| 17:27.53 | Zorkmid25 | it is a very colorful "thing to do," though not really much of an actual "game." in retrospect, it was addictive rather than enjoyable- i never realized how much i was missing the fun in my life until after i started having it again. |
| 17:27.58 | Zorkmid25 | Realized all the female characters in the game were still really just guys in their late 30s |
| 17:28.17 | Tepetkhet | Close. |
| 17:28.23 | Tepetkhet | I'm a female in the game and outside the game. |
| 17:28.29 | Zorkmid25 | some of these are funny |
| 17:28.29 | Tepetkhet | And I'm in my late 30s. |
| 17:28.41 | sancus | lots and lots of females play WoW |
| 17:28.43 | Tepetkhet | And the PvP system is different now. |
| 17:28.48 | Tepetkhet | So go away, troll. |
| 17:28.48 | Zorkmid25 | I know sancus |
| 17:28.56 | Zorkmid25 | I wouldn't say "lots of women" |
| 17:29.02 | Zorkmid25 | its maybe like 10:1 |
| 17:29.16 | sancus | The rank 14 stuff was always a sucker's bet. |
| 17:29.19 | Zorkmid25 | women are alot smarter than men |
| 17:29.22 | sancus | If you wasted your time on it, that's your problem :P |
| 17:29.26 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, do you know if it's possible to retrieve an accidentaly deleted image file on WoWWiki? |
| 17:29.27 | Zorkmid25 | agreed sancus |
| 17:29.36 | sancus | Kirkburn: Um, no idea |
| 17:29.39 | Zorkmid25 | You have to play the game 14 hours a day, 7 days a week, for three, four, five, six... more weeks STRAIGHT if you want to get rank 14 in PvP. Blizzard should be ashamed they have set up a system that requires that level of dedication, and worse, people do it. Not healthy. |
| 17:29.41 | sancus | Probably not |
| 17:29.49 | sancus | You said that already. |
| 17:29.56 | sancus | And that system has been removed, anyway. |
| 17:29.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I know I can't, but I don't know if it goes from the server too |
| 17:30.01 | sancus | Because it sucked. |
| 17:30.05 | Tepetkhet | sancus: And all those people who wasted time PvPing to get rank 14 are kicking themselves since the PvP system was changed. |
| 17:30.11 | Tepetkhet | Their own fault. |
| 17:30.18 | Zorkmid25 | Tep, myself and maybe 2 other women in my guilds |
| 17:30.21 | sancus | Tepet: Good, maybe they'll learn a thing or two about identifying poor risk/reward ratios :P |
| 17:30.41 | Zorkmid25 | tep, did you meet alot of women playing? |
| 17:30.46 | Zorkmid25 | or mostly men? |
| 17:30.46 | sancus | Kirkburn: can you give me the filename? |
| 17:31.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Image:Early azeroth.jpg |
| 17:31.26 | Zorkmid25 | BECAUSE IT GOT REALLY BORING GOING THROUGH MOLTEN CORE FOR THE 30TH TIME JUST TO GET A SLIGHTLY BETTER WEAPON!!! |
| 17:31.42 | Zorkmid25 | I was so addicted i was using my parents credit card to buy Gold online without them knowing and ran up a huge bill without even realising. Worrying about whether or not i'd have enough DKP to buy that ring if it dropped from MC was also really less interesting than my girlfriend or playing real games...ye know..with an end. |
| 17:31.51 | Tepetkhet | Stop pasting crap in from your website. |
| 17:32.01 | Zorkmid25 | Spending 4 hours running through BWL and only actually doing anything for 30 minutes got really old, and I ended up just getting burnt out on the game altogether. |
| 17:32.02 | Tepetkhet | Seriously. |
| 17:32.07 | Tepetkhet | If we want to read it, we'll go there. |
| 17:32.10 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn|afk, how does hobinbot look so far |
| 17:32.26 | Zorkmid25 | People saying that World of Warcraft requires a lot of skill. |
| 17:32.27 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, better link - http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Early_azeroth.jpg |
| 17:32.33 | Tepetkhet | And as it stands, you'r enot even carrying on a coherent conversation since we can't tell what's your opinion and what's your site's user opinions. |
| 17:32.40 | Kirkburn|afk | (swapping PCs is fun) |
| 17:32.49 | Tepetkhet | s/you'r enot/you're not' |
| 17:32.50 | Zorkmid25 | Got tired of the boring endless grind of the endgame, how when people leave the game it sets you back for weeks in progress through BWL, AQ40, whatever..I'm glad I quit |
| 17:32.51 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Zorkmid25!n=none@off.net] by sancus (shut up) |
| 17:32.57 | *** join/#wowwiki Zorkmid25 (i=Zorkmid2@bas3-kingston08-1168067470.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 17:33.06 | Hobinheim|work | infobot, where are you? |
| 17:33.07 | infobot | I am at 42.37512 N, 72.51999 W |
| 17:33.19 | Tepetkhet | Infobot probably didn't like the ' |
| 17:33.20 | Hobinheim|work | s/where/wear |
| 17:33.27 | Tepetkhet | nm |
| 17:33.29 | Tepetkhet | er, hm |
| 17:33.30 | Hobinheim|work | s/where/wear/g |
| 17:33.32 | sancus | Kirkburn: Hmm ok, let me see if I can find it anywhere |
| 17:33.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Thanks :) |
| 17:33.54 | sancus | might also want to check your browser cache |
| 17:34.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Zorkmid25, stop complaining so much! =) |
| 17:34.01 | Hobinheim|work | yeah that's what i was thinking |
| 17:34.08 | Zorkmid25 | lol kirk? |
| 17:34.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I can't, I didn't delete it =) |
| 17:34.14 | Zorkmid25 | im not complaining |
| 17:34.22 | Hobinheim|work | i don't think i visited that page in the recent past |
| 17:34.23 | sancus | Kirkburn: yea but did you go to the page before it was deleted?!? |
| 17:34.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Nope |
| 17:34.37 | sancus | oh well |
| 17:34.43 | Tepetkhet | Kirkburn|afk: S/He is just pasting in a bunch of garbage from his/her website. |
| 17:34.58 | sancus | It stopped now :P |
| 17:35.19 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Hobinheim] by ChanServ |
| 17:37.29 | Zorkmid25 | http://www.joystiq.com/2006/10/04/faux-news-investigates-wow-addiction/ |
| 17:37.41 | Zorkmid25 | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20060809-7459.html |
| 17:38.20 | Zorkmid25 | Doctor claims 40 percent of World of Warcraft players are addicted |
| 17:38.20 | Zorkmid25 | By Jeremy Reimer | Published: August 09, 2006 - 04:11PM CT |
| 17:38.42 | Tepetkhet | http://www.io.com/~zikzak/troll_thesis.html |
| 17:39.40 | Tepetkhet | http://smi.curtin.edu.au/NetStudies/docs/allen/AllenHighered1999.doc |
| 17:40.20 | Hobinheim | sorry about nuking the early azeroth image. it was one of those fancy glitch images that wouldn't let us read the page |
| 17:40.30 | Zorkmid25 | The well-constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a deliberate troll |
| 17:41.58 | sancus | Kirkburn: Nope, looks like you're screwed :/ |
| 17:42.04 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, woot |
| 17:42.07 | Hobinheim | booo =( |
| 17:42.11 | sancus | unless vlad has backups of the wiki dir or something |
| 17:42.14 | Hobinheim | vandals!!!! >=( |
| 17:42.14 | sancus | I'll ask him |
| 17:42.26 | Kirkburn|afk | ta |
| 17:42.30 | Hobinheim | well... there are low res copies on google images |
| 17:42.34 | Hobinheim | and i'm sure we got it from somewhere |
| 17:42.38 | Hobinheim | so i guess we could re source it |
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| 17:43.40 | Kirkburn | Woops |
| 17:43.44 | Kirkburn | So that was the close button |
| 17:43.59 | Kirkburn | I was going to say, at least Google lets us see what it looked like |
| 17:44.17 | Kirkburn | Looks like the WC1 map? |
| 17:44.45 | Kirkburn | Found it I think! |
| 17:45.31 | Kirkburn | Hmm, feels a bit echoey in here |
| 17:45.32 | sancus | here I found a copy |
| 17:45.37 | sancus | http://sancus.off.net/Early_azeroth.jpg |
| 17:45.38 | Hobinheim | where? |
| 17:45.42 | Hobinheim | WHOAAA |
| 17:45.45 | sancus | in a backup dir :P |
| 17:45.48 | Hobinheim | yay! |
| 17:45.52 | Kirkburn | I found a bigger one =) |
| 17:45.59 | sancus | that's the one that was on the site |
| 17:46.13 | Kirkburn | Well now we can have a better one too :P |
| 17:46.22 | sancus | whichever |
| 17:46.34 | Hobinheim | but seriously that was like a five man raid on the wiki |
| 17:46.37 | Hobinheim | very, very clever... |
| 17:46.43 | Hobinheim | engaging in DNP conversation |
| 17:46.46 | sancus | heh |
| 17:46.47 | Hobinheim | WANNA TALK AOBUT PORN HURRR |
| 17:47.19 | Kirkburn | Yeah, they should be doing that on here, not on the wiki |
| 17:47.39 | Zorkmid25 | WoW is like the lottery. A tax on the poor. -Abraham Lincoln |
| 17:48.54 | Hobinheim | so is the bc bot doing okay? |
| 17:48.54 | Hobinheim | should i up the ante? |
| 17:48.54 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+b *!*@bas3-kingston08-1168067470.dsl.bell.ca] by sancus |
| 17:48.54 | Hobinheim | i gotta get back to work =/ |
| 17:48.54 | *** kick/#wowwiki [Zorkmid25!n=none@off.net] by sancus (troll elsewhere) |
| 17:48.54 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 17:48.54 | Hobinheim | zing |
| 17:48.55 | Tepetkhet | Thanks, sancus. |
| 17:49.07 | Tepetkhet | It took slightly less than 1 hour. |
| 17:49.17 | sancus | yeah well, I wasn't paying attention when he started |
| 17:49.25 | sancus | If he was actually participating in an argument I wouldn't have banned him |
| 17:49.31 | sancus | but he's just cutting and pasting nonsense that no one is responding to |
| 17:49.38 | Tepetkhet | Pretty much. |
| 17:49.53 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, if it works, let it run free :P |
| 17:50.02 | Kirkburn | Atm, I'm trying to cut the file size of the map |
| 17:50.28 | sancus | png it? |
| 17:50.34 | sancus | It looks like an excellent candidate for png |
| 17:51.17 | sancus | (and a terrible one for jpg!) |
| 17:53.38 | Hobinheim | i gonna nuke the "BC" template in tow (contrast "Bc") |
| 17:54.44 | sancus | I'm not sure if vlad is taking regular backups of everything, I should check that too |
| 17:54.44 | sancus | since images can't be undeleted |
| 17:54.44 | sancus | none of the attached content can be |
| 17:55.25 | Kirkburn | I gifed it |
| 17:56.11 | Kirkburn | Excellent candidate for PNG - that made it go from 850KB as a jpg to over 3MB |
| 17:56.16 | Kirkburn | >.< |
| 17:56.39 | Kirkburn | I was using Paint to save it as a PNG, but still ... |
| 17:57.49 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, ! |
| 17:57.51 | Kirkburn | Problem! |
| 17:58.05 | Hobinheim | yeah i see something |
| 17:58.07 | Hobinheim | what's up |
| 17:58.16 | Kirkburn | It's removing the <noinc> tags too |
| 17:58.16 | Hobinheim | lines that include more than the word bc? |
| 17:58.22 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 17:58.23 | Hobinheim | ... |
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| 17:58.38 | Hobinheim | k i killed it for now |
| 17:58.47 | Hobinheim | this is in the latest run only, yes? |
| 17:58.49 | Hobinheim | the BC run? |
| 17:58.58 | Kirkburn | yeah |
| 18:00.49 | Kirkburn | Shall I revert all the item changes? |
| 18:01.05 | Hobinheim | if you could, that would help a lot |
| 18:01.07 | Hobinheim | i gotta get back to work |
| 18:01.14 | Kirkburn | Okay |
| 18:01.18 | Kirkburn | We're getting there :) |
| 18:01.19 | Hobinheim | i'll wait till i get home to fix that thing |
| 18:01.27 | Hobinheim | needs. more. int! |
| 18:02.24 | Hobinheim | i wonder what the wiki will be like without zeal |
| 18:02.32 | Hobinheim | and i wonder what tek said that could have been worse than what i said |
| 18:02.33 | Kirkburn | Quieter? |
| 18:02.42 | sancus | oh it was originally a jpg? |
| 18:02.45 | Hobinheim | more stable is the concept i was hoping for |
| 18:02.57 | Kirkburn | sancus, the high quality version I got was |
| 18:03.09 | sancus | the image is an excellent candidate for png |
| 18:03.18 | sancus | But only if you have the actual raw image data to compress in the first place :P |
| 18:03.22 | sancus | jpg -> png is sucky, yeah |
| 18:03.23 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 18:03.37 | sancus | what resolution is it anyhow |
| 18:04.11 | Kirkburn | 1622x1202 was the original |
| 18:04.31 | Kirkburn | For uploading I turned it into a 80% size gif |
| 18:04.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | you guys dont have photoshop? I can resize it for you |
| 18:04.46 | Kirkburn | I uploaded the original too though |
| 18:04.56 | sancus | looks like a jpg to me |
| 18:04.59 | Kirkburn | Original - http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Early_azeroth_hi.jpg |
| 18:05.32 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Early_azeroth.jpg is definately a gif, despite the name |
| 18:05.47 | sancus | well fix the name! |
| 18:06.00 | Kirkburn | Don't wanna! |
| 18:06.15 | Kirkburn | Fixing bottage first :P |
| 18:07.04 | sancus | It comes up 30kb smaller as a PNG |
| 18:07.17 | sancus | I was going to say, you can't end up with a good size GIF but a bad size PNG, that doesnt make any sense :P |
| 18:07.29 | Kirkburn | Paint can ^^ |
| 18:07.36 | sancus | I guess paint sucks |
| 18:07.38 | Kirkburn | I would use Fireworks, but wrong PC again |
| 18:07.40 | sancus | I'm just using Irfanview |
| 18:07.51 | sancus | <3 Irfanview |
| 18:07.52 | Kirkburn | I should install that on Vista later |
| 18:08.03 | Hobinheim | ok back to work. bot is totally off |
| 18:08.03 | Hobinheim | later |
| 18:08.07 | Kirkburn | toodles |
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| 18:08.22 | sancus | but w/e, gif is fine too |
| 18:08.44 | sancus | things without a lot of gradients come out well as gif/png, vice versa for jpg |
| 18:08.46 | Tepetkhet | lunch |
| 18:08.58 | Kirkburn | breakfast |
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| 18:22.43 | Hobinheim | (can't stay away) |
| 18:22.47 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 18:23.47 | Hobinheim | i'll get rid of that BC template traditionally, w/o changing anything else |
| 18:23.51 | Hobinheim | so that'll be a seperate script |
| 18:23.57 | Kirkburn | okay |
| 18:29.14 | Hobinheim | do you know what the whole beef was between tek and zeal? |
| 18:29.49 | Hobinheim | alleged Grade B Zhevra beef |
| 18:43.22 | Kirkburn | Not really |
| 18:43.39 | equiraptor | How can it be beef if it's from a Zhevra? |
| 18:43.44 | equiraptor | Are they secretly cows? |
| 18:43.54 | Kirkburn | You didn't know!? |
| 18:44.01 | equiraptor | I didn't. :( |
| 18:44.48 | Kirkburn | >.< |
| 18:45.05 | Hobinheim | that guy... the meat vendor in the crossroads who's getting married... |
| 18:45.11 | Hobinheim | actually sells lower quality meat |
| 18:45.17 | Hobinheim | do you see any cows in the barrens? no |
| 18:45.24 | equiraptor | Hrm? The meat vendor is the crossoads is getting married? |
| 18:45.27 | equiraptor | I should pay more attention... |
| 18:45.29 | Hobinheim|work | yes |
| 18:45.29 | Hobinheim|work | lol |
| 18:45.35 | Hobinheim|work | the quest text that i actually read in depth |
| 18:45.37 | Hobinheim|work | quite romantic |
| 18:45.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | meh... |
| 18:46.06 | Hobinheim|work | getting married to the innkeeper in orgrimmar who you deliever meats to |
| 18:46.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | I ate corpses for nourishment if I dont have bread and water |
| 18:46.12 | Hobinheim|work | they were flirting and you're their messenger |
| 18:46.15 | equiraptor | Oh, that one. Sweet. :) |
| 18:46.17 | Hobinheim|work | it's the "teach me about flight paths" quest line |
| 18:46.26 | equiraptor | Right. |
| 18:58.16 | Kirkburn | Christ GreenEye just WANTS me to ban him |
| 18:58.55 | Hobinheim|work | ooo |
| 19:02.16 | Kirkburn | It's like he was watching the page |
| 19:03.29 | Kirkburn | Did he think I'd forget what happened in August? =) |
| 19:03.58 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim|work, what did Filgamer do? |
| 19:04.07 | Kirkburn | Or Fllgamer or whatever :P |
| 19:04.11 | Hobinheim|work | powerleveling advert |
| 19:05.59 | Kirkburn | We're becoming too high profile :P |
| 19:08.59 | Kirkburn | lol, my level 24 pally housemate decided he was going to try and solo Shadowfang Keep |
| 19:09.31 | Hobinheim|work | uhh |
| 19:09.33 | Hobinheim|work | what |
| 19:09.38 | Hobinheim|work | lol isn't SFK around 20ish? |
| 19:09.47 | Hobinheim|work | you can't solo something IN your bracket |
| 19:09.53 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 19:09.59 | Kirkburn | So he found out |
| 19:10.18 | Tepetkhet | hehehe |
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| 19:10.47 | equiraptor | I solo'd part of BFD at lenel 24 on a warlock. |
| 19:10.52 | equiraptor | s/lenel/level/ |
| 19:10.56 | Hobinheim|work | "well, i could just be really really careful with my pulls right? and i've solo'ed elites before, how hard could it be" |
| 19:11.12 | Hobinheim|work | i just had to unguild my pally. i can't stand it! |
| 19:11.24 | Hobinheim|work | body pulling = retarded |
| 19:11.30 | Hobinheim|work | i need a boomerang or some dynamic |
| 19:11.32 | Hobinheim|work | *dynamite |
| 19:11.42 | equiraptor | Can you judge something to pull? |
| 19:11.49 | equiraptor | I was doing that on my level 10 pally... |
| 19:12.05 | Hobinheim|work | 10 yards is already angry enough for yellows |
| 19:12.16 | equiraptor | Ah, dang. |
| 19:13.34 | Hobinheim|work | i mean if you were quick with your shuffle, i guess... |
| 19:13.43 | Hobinheim|work | but it's already like body pulling by that time |
| 19:13.50 | Hobinheim|work | omg and i'm so not used to moving while meleeing to create distance |
| 19:14.19 | equiraptor | heh |
| 19:14.19 | Hobinheim|work | cuz ranged = distance already created |
| 19:15.46 | Tepetkhet | Blood Elf paladins get mana tap. You can use that to pull sometimes. |
| 19:16.55 | Hobinheim|work | far and few between |
| 19:17.06 | Hobinheim|work | you know that mana tap aggros but doesn't player-tap the mob? |
| 19:17.21 | Hobinheim|work | i.e. if you tag something with mana tap and someone else physically strikes it, its still their mob |
| 19:17.24 | Hobinheim|work | damn you blizzard! |
| 19:17.50 | Tepetkhet | I'm not used to pulling. |
| 19:18.11 | Tepetkhet | I am used to getting a mob off by his little lonesome... |
| 19:18.25 | Tepetkhet | Flashing my boobies to distract him, and then cheapshotting/ambushing him. |
| 19:18.26 | Tepetkhet | MUAHAHA! |
| 19:18.39 | Tepetkhet | Er, wait. |
| 19:18.47 | Tepetkhet | I mean, tossing a rock to distract mobs. |
| 19:18.49 | Tepetkhet | >_> |
| 19:19.09 | Tepetkhet | I was talking about mobs. In game. |
| 19:19.14 | Tepetkhet | <_< |
| 19:19.36 | Hobinheim|work | lol |
| 19:24.36 | Montagg | Hobinheim|work: It's because mana tap doesn't do any damage to the target. Have you tried mana tapping and then immediately silencing? Might tap; haven't tried. |
| 19:24.56 | Tepetkhet | You could judge maybe. |
| 19:24.56 | Hobinheim|work | nope |
| 19:24.58 | Tepetkhet | Right away |
| 19:25.09 | Hobinheim|work | well mana tap has a 20 yard lead on judge |
| 19:25.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | how dare you judge mobs you dont know >:{ |
| 19:25.24 | Montagg | I just wand and/or searing touch, so not a problem for me. |
| 19:25.40 | Kirkburn | I wonder what other instances they have planned for the CoT |
| 19:25.46 | Tepetkhet | hahaha |
| 19:26.04 | Montagg | Kirkburn: Are there areas for expansion down there? I've only gone down there once. |
| 19:26.13 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/03/08/the-caverns-of-time-of-the-future/ |
| 19:26.21 | Kirkburn | At least one - behind a /ship/ |
| 19:26.40 | Kirkburn | Also, I want a FP to the CoT :/ |
| 19:27.15 | Hobinheim|work | searing touch? |
| 19:27.26 | Montagg | Whatever it's called. |
| 19:27.40 | Montagg | Searing Pain. |
| 19:27.55 | equiraptor | Mmm, searing touch... |
| 19:28.03 | Kirkburn | Another cool idea would be them to set questing regions in the past |
| 19:28.07 | Montagg | Two warlocks to 60 and I still don't know the names of spells. =c) |
| 19:28.22 | Kirkburn | I would really love to be able to quest from 70-80 in another time period =) |
| 19:28.25 | Montagg | Kirkburn: Another zone in the past? Would be awesome. |
| 19:28.49 | Hobinheim|work | on my orclock i bound saering pain to =, but on all my blood elves i did the same thing. so conflicted! |
| 19:30.00 | Montagg | Oh, boo. Equals is way too far away. I use it too often. |
| 19:30.08 | Montagg | 6 for me. |
| 19:30.11 | Hobinheim|work | i us both my hands to play |
| 19:30.21 | Montagg | One's always on the mouse for me. |
| 19:30.22 | Hobinheim|work | and i use probably every modifier |
| 19:30.38 | Montagg | ESDF ftw |
| 19:30.40 | Hobinheim|work | i have things hot keyed that some players don't aggree should be hotkeyed |
| 19:30.43 | Tepetkhet | I'm a lefty. |
| 19:30.47 | Tepetkhet | NO esdf for me |
| 19:30.48 | Hobinheim|work | and as a general rule i try not to overwrite default keys |
| 19:31.03 | Hobinheim|work | like strafe, SHEATH, SIT, target |
| 19:31.15 | Hobinheim|work | cuz we all know sheathing and sit are totally mission critical |
| 19:31.18 | Montagg | Hobinheim|work: What do you have hotkeyed that shouldn't be? |
| 19:31.26 | Hobinheim|work | portal... |
| 19:31.29 | Hobinheim|work | enslave... |
| 19:31.42 | Hobinheim|work | every curse, cuz some people don't believe in anything that doesn't rhyme with agony |
| 19:31.45 | Montagg | I should have enslave hotkeyed. I use it enough in Outland. |
| 19:31.45 | Hobinheim|work | funnel |
| 19:31.54 | Hobinheim|work | every profession |
| 19:32.16 | Montagg | Too many buttons! |
| 19:32.18 | Hobinheim|work | i almost never click on anything |
| 19:32.21 | Hobinheim|work | or try not to |
| 19:32.27 | Hobinheim|work | feldom... |
| 19:32.30 | Hobinheim|work | infernal... |
| 19:32.41 | Hobinheim|work | unending. invis. |
| 19:32.55 | Hobinheim|work | getting more and more esoteric. and i sitll have them bound |
| 19:33.00 | Hobinheim|work | what's confusing me is the playstyle of other specs |
| 19:33.05 | Hobinheim|work | cuz i know shadowburn will be important |
| 19:33.15 | Hobinheim|work | but i already bound my "really important" keys to lifetap and shadowward |
| 19:33.24 | Hobinheim|work | important = back tick |
| 19:33.29 | Montagg | Once I hit 61, I have SHIFT+SPACE ready for Shadowburn. Really satisfing WHACK when I kill someone. |
| 19:34.46 | Hobinheim|work | wow modifer space |
| 19:34.49 | Hobinheim|work | never even though tof that |
| 19:34.51 | Hobinheim|work | how does it feel? |
| 19:34.52 | Montagg | ;-) |
| 19:35.07 | Montagg | Well, I have my fingers on Shift, ESDF, and space constantly, so it made sense to me. |
| 19:35.29 | Kirkburn | "Submitting non-personal PC specification" ??? |
| 19:35.38 | Kirkburn | I think that message just came up when I logged in |
| 19:35.45 | Montagg | Wha? |
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| 19:36.15 | Kirkburn | "Submitting non-personal system specification", even |
| 19:36.19 | Hobinheim|work | Kirkburn, i saw that yesterday too |
| 19:36.27 | Montagg | Hm. I didn't get that. |
| 19:36.40 | Kirkburn | Quite brief |
| 19:36.56 | Kirkburn | Sounds like they want to know what PCs people are running WoW on |
| 19:37.05 | Kirkburn | Steam does a similar thing, though that one is opt-in |
| 19:37.33 | Hobinheim|work | well i think that message shows up every patch |
| 19:37.45 | Hobinheim|work | i don't blame them, it keeps them in touch with their market |
| 19:38.02 | Hobinheim|work | "holy shit someone's running wow on a 800mhz 128mb lappy!" |
| 19:38.19 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:38.22 | Hobinheim|work | my brother's girlfriend's computer i think hit the ceiling for polygons |
| 19:38.29 | Hobinheim|work | grass and the minimap would not render |
| 19:38.32 | Hobinheim|work | roads weren't visible |
| 19:38.39 | Hobinheim|work | she was just walking on brown and gaps |
| 19:38.50 | Hobinheim|work | which sounds rediculous |
| 19:39.12 | Montagg | That's awesome. |
| 19:39.22 | Tepetkhet | I was running on an 800 MHz PIII for a while...but it had more than 128MB of RAM. |
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| 19:41.13 | Tepetkhet | I think I had somewhere around 600MB. |
| 19:41.45 | Montagg | Impressive. |
| 19:42.05 | sancus | I've played WoW on a PIII 733 with 256mb RAM |
| 19:42.24 | sancus | a geforce gts 64mb I think |
| 19:42.30 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 19:42.38 | sancus | I even raided molten core with it |
| 19:42.45 | sancus | It was... sorta playable |
| 19:42.49 | Tepetkhet | yeah |
| 19:42.56 | Tepetkhet | I did MC with it, too. |
| 19:43.05 | Tepetkhet | I had to turn a lot of video options down. |
| 19:43.11 | Montagg | Beeeezar. |
| 19:43.14 | Tepetkhet | And every patch gets worse and worse. |
| 19:43.29 | sancus | It didn't do as well in BWL because of the terrible design of that place |
| 19:43.40 | Tepetkhet | I never went to BWL. :( |
| 19:43.45 | Montagg | That place produced a lot of weird video problems, I remember. |
| 19:43.48 | Tepetkhet | I think I was killed by the dragonkin guards once. |
| 19:43.48 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 19:43.55 | sancus | "yes, it's OK to put 1000 whelps above Vael's room, such that they all load while you're fighting Vael and he's spamming his raid-wide DD" |
| 19:43.57 | Tepetkhet | So I hear. |
| 19:44.37 | sancus | there were some lockups, yeah |
| 19:44.37 | Montagg | Foolish Blizzard. Why can't they just WoW into a rogue-like game. @ |
| 19:44.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | I did UBRS last night :D |
| 19:44.57 | Montagg | *@* (Ding!) |
| 19:44.58 | Tepetkhet | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.05 | sancus | They just needed better loading occlusion, no reason for those things to load while you're in the room below them |
| 19:45.19 | Hobinheim|work | although, since rogue-hate is the new flavor of the week in heroic dungeons, i thought of rolling one, haha |
| 19:45.24 | sancus | there haven't ever been any real major video performance problems, but their event system has screwed people's CPUs many many times |
| 19:45.30 | Montagg | Hobinheim|work: Rogue-like = completely ASII art game where your character is represented by an @ symbol. |
| 19:45.39 | Hobinheim|work | oh lol |
| 19:45.49 | Hobinheim|work | "apostrophe crits you for 7" |
| 19:46.12 | sancus | vael used to run like shit until they fixed the event-spamming his nova caused |
| 20:02.18 | Montagg | So did you guys read my Master Plan? |
| 20:02.26 | Hobinheim|work | briefly |
| 20:02.35 | Hobinheim|work | the only part that stuck out in my mind is the lack of the quest namespae |
| 20:02.37 | Montagg | Any initial thoughts? |
| 20:02.43 | Hobinheim|work | two things. one, if we changed it, thatw ould be a lot of work |
| 20:02.51 | Montagg | Agreed. |
| 20:02.52 | Hobinheim|work | two, it already disambiguates quests named after items or NPCs |
| 20:03.02 | Hobinheim|work | three, i kinda like keeping it stable so that seems sorta major |
| 20:03.21 | Hobinheim|work | four, if there was less inertia going on, i'd probably agree with the sentiment |
| 20:03.21 | Montagg | I'm not completely set on that. Like you said, it does serve a practical purpose. |
| 20:03.52 | Montagg | And it's already an accepted convention. |
| 20:06.55 | Montagg | Oh, one thing I should add... Quest lines within quest articles, similar to WoWHead. Some are lacking that. |
| 20:09.39 | Hobinheim|work | yeah |
| 20:09.52 | Hobinheim|work | i forgot the name of the contriubter... but the one who most helped out with the nav bars |
| 20:10.01 | Hobinheim|work | made this cool transclude convention |
| 20:10.04 | Hobinheim|work | which i liked alot |
| 20:10.14 | Hobinheim|work | basically no convention at all. just binding all the quest articles with the same transclude |
| 20:10.20 | Hobinheim|work | really cool. |
| 20:14.29 | Montagg | Do you have a link? I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 20:18.01 | Hobinheim|work | http://www.wowwiki.com/Quest:Elixir_of_Agony |
| 20:18.05 | Hobinheim|work | edit that last section |
| 20:18.18 | Hobinheim|work | mikaka! |
| 20:22.49 | Hobinheim|work | i'm not liking the new tooltip |
| 20:22.55 | Hobinheim|work | i wonder if that's a zeal movement or a tekkub movement |
| 20:23.27 | Hobinheim|work | lol polished raid graphics |
| 20:23.29 | Hobinheim|work | that would be nice |
| 20:23.42 | Hobinheim|work | SEXY IMAGES ONLY. NO MS PAINT |
| 20:24.10 | Montagg | Hobinheim|work: Perfect. I like it. |
| 20:24.45 | Montagg | Well, it's fine to start with MS paint, but people respond subliminally to the quality of what they're looking at. |
| 20:24.55 | Montagg | i.e., Apple. |
| 20:25.20 | Hobinheim|work | Montagg, i absolutely agree |
| 20:25.34 | Montagg | Not to say we would ever say, sexy images only, but it's something to strive for. |
| 20:25.35 | Hobinheim|work | like that attunement chart for bc is absolute sex |
| 20:25.41 | Hobinheim|work | whoever made it |
| 20:25.45 | Montagg | Ohh yeah, I looove that. |
| 20:25.56 | Montagg | Perfect example of what I'm thinking of. |
| 20:26.27 | Montagg | AFK for a bit. Going to make myself foods. |
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| 20:31.33 | Tepetkhet | oh poop |
| 20:31.37 | Tepetkhet | I shouldn't have heard that. |
| 20:31.50 | Tepetkhet | Boss's rent check bounced. |
| 20:32.20 | equiraptor | Uh, yeah. You shouldn't have heard that. Ouch. |
| 20:38.54 | Tepetkhet | For the business. |
| 20:39.08 | equiraptor | Eeep. |
| 20:43.01 | Montagg | I usually drain life, but my roommates are out. |
| 20:44.07 | Montagg | Eek. Not good, Tep. |
| 20:44.20 | Hobinheim|work | drain life = "food"? |
| 20:44.41 | Hobinheim|work | "ugh... Montagg, i thought we were roommmates...." /roommate decays |
| 20:44.50 | Hobinheim|work | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:46.49 | Montagg | Dran life = HP. Food = HP. Therefore, Drain life = food. |
| 20:47.34 | Montagg | Why would I turn my roommate into a soul shard when he can regen life for me to drain again? |
| 20:49.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | because you can get pretty good gold out of your roomate as a shard |
| 20:49.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh wait... soul shard >.> |
| 20:49.38 | Montagg | I can summon a pet and get mana, but I need HP! |
| 20:50.08 | Montagg | If only I had a mana battery in real life... I'd do so much better on tests. |
| 20:51.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | for grades? |
| 20:51.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | Id summon a succubus |
| 20:51.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | seduce the teacher |
| 20:51.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | instant A :D |
| 20:52.09 | Tepetkhet | I still don't understand why I'm seduced by a succubus. |
| 20:52.14 | Montagg | Or, drain mana until professor doesn't have enough to cast Midterm (Rank 2). |
| 20:52.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | Tepetkhet? Im still to being seduces by one =\ |
| 20:53.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | I was whipped by one, but not seduces |
| 20:53.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | maybe Im not into sodomy |
| 20:53.35 | Tepetkhet | Erm... |
| 20:53.37 | Tepetkhet | I think you mean sadism. |
| 20:53.40 | Tepetkhet | Not sodomy. |
| 20:53.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah,,, I just googled |
| 20:53.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | damn |
| 20:53.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | gotta google before I write |
| 20:55.49 | Hobinheim|work | dem sac the void |
| 20:55.52 | Hobinheim|work | hp forever!!! |
| 21:02.44 | Montagg | Forever for thirty minutes! |
| 21:13.32 | Tepetkhet | uh oh |
| 21:13.37 | Tepetkhet | Boss knows that I know about the check. |
| 21:19.04 | equiraptor | oh, joy. |
| 21:36.57 | Hobinheim|work | hide! |
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| 21:38.39 | Tepetkhet | Crap. Out of flash powder. |
| 21:39.05 | Tepetkhet | Definitely need a new place to farm. |
| 21:39.13 | Tepetkhet | This place has lousy drops. :/ |
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| 21:50.24 | Bejitt | odd, i cant find any articles on class colors |
| 21:52.39 | Hobinheim|work | class colors? |
| 21:52.39 | Hobinheim|work | in reagrds to? |
| 21:59.28 | Bejitt | WoW class' colors |
| 21:59.38 | Bejitt | white for priest, etc |
| 21:59.53 | Bejitt | there it is |
| 22:00.10 | equiraptor | Where did you find it? :) |
| 22:00.28 | Bejitt | article /Class_colors |
| 22:00.45 | Bejitt | didnt show up when i searched >_< |
| 22:01.00 | equiraptor | Interesting.... |
| 22:01.17 | Kirkburn | Woot, neurtal with Netherwing |
| 22:01.17 | equiraptor | I see what you mean. I wonder what can be done about that |
| 22:01.21 | Kirkburn | *neutral |
| 22:01.38 | Montagg | Do more searches and click on it more? |
| 22:01.45 | Bejitt | is there a fixed-width font on the wiki? |
| 22:01.47 | Bejitt | haha |
| 22:02.50 | Montagg | I don't think there is by default. |
| 22:03.32 | Tepetkhet | I think the hex code for the colours would look better in all caps. |
| 22:03.59 | Bejitt | yea |
| 22:04.12 | Bejitt | i'll stab it |
| 22:04.16 | Tepetkhet | Because FFFFFF looks better than ffffff |
| 22:04.22 | Bejitt | haha |
| 22:04.52 | Bejitt | >.> and the "it's" is bothering me |
| 22:04.55 | equiraptor | Some of the text at the top of that page is it <tt>. I suspect you could do that for the hex code, too. |
| 22:05.20 | Bejitt | oh good point |
| 22:05.22 | equiraptor | Fix the it's, then. It's definitely an error. :) |
| 22:05.57 | Bejitt | haha i am |
| 22:06.01 | equiraptor | Yay. :) |
| 22:06.32 | equiraptor | Are you capitalizing and <tt>ing the HEX, too? |
| 22:06.36 | Tepetkhet | home |
| 22:06.38 | equiraptor | I'm 100% pro both of those. :) |
| 22:06.50 | equiraptor | (As if my opinion held any weight) |
| 22:07.33 | Bejitt | yeah |
| 22:07.42 | equiraptor | woot. I'll stop bugging you, then. ;) |
| 22:07.48 | Hobinheim|work | i don't understand what you mean, white is priests |
| 22:07.51 | Hobinheim|work | where are priests white |
| 22:08.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | in their pants! |
| 22:08.18 | Bejitt | in most class colorings |
| 22:08.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | because they never see the light! |
| 22:08.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | XD |
| 22:08.31 | Bejitt | ex: default raid frames |
| 22:09.02 | equiraptor | When you're in a raid and open the raid interface in the default UI, each character's name will be in a color. That color is determined by the character's class. |
| 22:14.18 | Bejitt | ok changes made |
| 22:14.50 | Bejitt | http://www.wowwiki.com/Class_colors |
| 22:15.39 | Bejitt | i even lined everything up :P |
| 22:16.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | oooh :o |
| 22:16.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | paladins are pink |
| 22:16.11 | Bejitt | haha |
| 22:16.33 | equiraptor | Fancy, Bejitt. :) |
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| 22:20.09 | Bejitt | ty |
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| 22:34.57 | Kirkburn | Oooooh |
| 22:35.11 | Kirkburn | So the Ashbringer may have been formed from part of a naaru |
| 22:36.07 | Montagg | What? |
| 22:36.11 | Montagg | Link. |
| 22:38.22 | Kirkburn | See the Ashbringer page |
| 22:38.32 | Kirkburn | There's /extremely/ good evidence for it |
| 22:45.36 | Montagg | If the Ashbringer is not yet obtainable... How does it have stats? |
| 22:46.57 | Montagg | And why is the entire population of historically important figures, events, and objects located in Southshore when Thrall escapes from Durnhold? |
| 22:53.09 | nemppu | freak coincidence |
| 22:53.14 | nemppu | it happens in IRL |
| 22:53.20 | nemppu | but if it's in a game you question it |
| 22:54.22 | Montagg | I question it becaus Southshore was never a historically important place. It never even existed until WoW. |
| 22:55.54 | nemppu | you probably figured by now whole warcraft lore is built on the way |
| 22:55.56 | Montagg | it's much more likely that Kel'Thuzad, and the Ashbringer crystal, would have been in Dalaran and not Soutshore. |
| 22:55.57 | nemppu | stuff change |
| 22:56.15 | Montagg | Well, I know why it's there: So players can see it. But that doesn't mean it's plausible. |
| 22:56.15 | nemppu | well maybe they were traveling to Dalaran but needed a rest |
| 22:56.24 | nemppu | and they hit the southshore inn |
| 22:57.17 | Montagg | The coincidence (whatever it is) is created by Blizzard to give the player access to historical figures. That doesn't forgive how incredibly artificial it is. |
| 23:01.32 | Hobinheim|work | boo who didn't accomplish anything at work today, again |
| 23:01.47 | Hobinheim|work | if my internet works when i get home, we can get to part two of that bc template thing |
| 23:01.51 | Hobinheim|work | and maybe get some work done =( |
| 23:02.06 | nemppu | Montagg you take the fantasy too seriously |
| 23:03.00 | nemppu | warcraft is all about "bulky armored dudes and monsters." |
| 23:03.10 | nemppu | and has always been |
| 23:04.25 | Montagg | Just because the style's artificial doesn't mean the events always are. In fact, most of the time they aren't. |
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| 23:05.46 | Montagg | WoW started a trend of the story being subservient to the game, which wasn't the case prior. So I wouldn't say I'm taking it any more or less seriously than the game itself does. |
| 23:06.17 | nemppu | all the key people being in ss isnt even retarded |
| 23:06.19 | nemppu | doesnt even bother me |
| 23:06.22 | nemppu | but know what's retarded? |
| 23:06.25 | nemppu | KILLING VASHJ AND KAEL |
| 23:06.49 | Montagg | Hehe. Well, bad guys die all the time. |
| 23:06.59 | nemppu | theyre not bad t_t |
| 23:07.16 | Montagg | They are when the game needs bad guys. |
| 23:08.10 | nemppu | i always liked the a bit of realistic yet hidden aspect of WoW with the subjective "evilness" |
| 23:08.22 | nemppu | like humen vs orcs |
| 23:08.48 | Montagg | As did I. |
| 23:08.56 | nemppu | orcs move to kalimdor so they wouldnt have any more conflicts with the humen having gotten rid of the bloodlust |
| 23:09.00 | nemppu | humen sail to kalimdor to kill orcs |
| 23:09.07 | nemppu | so which party is the evil, eh? |
| 23:09.09 | ggilbert | I like that even the naruu have a hint of evilness to them |
| 23:09.35 | nemppu | oh, havent discovered that, please do tell |
| 23:09.37 | Montagg | ggilbert, I don't think that's intentional on Blizzard's part. Although I know where you're coming from. |
| 23:10.43 | Karrion | Naruu are creepy as |
| 23:11.19 | Karrion | I don't trust any being that claims to be entirely altruistic, _everyone_ has some level of self interest |
| 23:11.33 | ggilbert | nemppu: They give me a vibe of using the Draenei as pawns in their war. There's a quest giver in Netherstorm that says something to that effect. The flavor text whenever you try talking to the big Naruu by Khadgar also sets me on edge. |
| 23:11.41 | ggilbert | You get no response but just feel satisfied |
| 23:11.57 | nemppu | :D |
| 23:11.59 | nemppu | omg |
| 23:12.02 | nemppu | so sweet |
| 23:12.31 | ggilbert | There's probably other stuff that isn't popping into my head |
| 23:13.02 | Karrion | there's also the quest line involving the injured naruu in Oshu'gun |
| 23:13.31 | ggilbert | Oh? I saw the Naruu down there, but could never find a quest for it |
| 23:13.38 | Montagg | ggilbert, Depending on the quest giver, that just might be him expressing his character, not necessarily an objective evaluation of the naaru. |
| 23:14.01 | ggilbert | That's true |
| 23:14.04 | Montagg | But you're right, I get the same creepy vibe. Although I don't think it's Blizzard's intention to give it to me. It's too subtle. |
| 23:14.20 | nemppu | i think it is |
| 23:14.24 | ggilbert | I can;t remember who exactly it was |
| 23:14.35 | nemppu | there's so much hidden symbolism and references to WoW |
| 23:14.37 | nemppu | its great |
| 23:14.40 | Montagg | I think it's more my desire to have it BE creepy that it exists. =c) I want Blizzard to pick up moral ambiguity again. |
| 23:15.38 | Montagg | nemppu, Lots of pop references. But hidden symbolism...? Don't think there's much of that. |
| 23:15.40 | Karrion | ggilbert: I think it's part of the mag'har chain |
| 23:16.01 | nemppu | symbolism is the wrong word, i apologize |
| 23:16.28 | ggilbert | Karrion: I believe so. It was Kaylaan |
| 23:16.41 | ggilbert | I just dug the text up on thott. |
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| 23:43.07 | Montagg | I'm in the mood for sushi tonight. |
| 23:46.11 | Montagg | Anyone going to see 300 tonight? |
