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| 00:42.13 | Zeal | AddOn or Addon? |
| 00:42.29 | Fin | although I think AddOn is more Correct |
| 00:45.45 | Karrion | well the directory name is Interface/AddOns, with capital |
| 00:46.57 | Zeal | though as much, lol |
| 00:47.40 | Fin | exactly... but.. "AddOns"? i swear hardly anyone actually uses htat |
| 00:48.02 | Zeal | anyone more familiar with creating them, know the names the community use for each type of thing. just wanna check Commands, Functions, Events and Widgets are correct. |
| 00:48.55 | Fin | correct in what sense? |
| 00:49.43 | Zeal | well are those the terms used in the addon dev community? |
| 00:49.53 | Zeal | got most (if not all) from wowwiki. |
| 00:54.38 | Karrion | they're all valid terms... link some context and I'll tell you if they're being used right |
| 00:55.11 | Zeal | know how they're used |
| 00:55.25 | Zeal | just wasn't sure if they are the most accurate/popular terms |
| 00:55.49 | Zeal | setting up namespaces on my wiki is all. |
| 00:56.50 | Karrion | well... best answer I can give would be yes |
| 00:57.30 | Zeal | Command or Macro is the only one i'm questioning now :s |
| 00:57.38 | Zeal | soemthing previously made me use Command.. |
| 00:57.48 | Zeal | no idea what |
| 01:00.12 | Karrion | A command is a single /command.. a macro is made up of one or more commands |
| 01:00.38 | Karrion | (well zero or more I guess, including the trivial case) |
| 01:01.20 | Karrion | and these days macros can have pragmas, to (#show) |
| 01:01.30 | Zeal | over my head, but ok |
| 01:01.46 | Zeal | after thinking about it, just merging all into API. |
| 01:05.20 | Fin | Slash command |
| 01:05.22 | Fin | Macro |
| 01:05.25 | Fin | Event |
| 01:05.27 | Fin | Function |
| 01:05.29 | Fin | Widget |
| 01:06.50 | Fin | AddOn |
| 01:07.11 | Fin | Penis |
| 01:07.55 | Karrion | Function is ambigous, does it mean user/addon defined function? Game API function? Widget method? FrameXML-defined function? |
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| 01:08.11 | Fin | Function has a specific meaning |
| 01:08.31 | Karrion | well, yes, and all of those are functions |
| 01:08.33 | Fin | it's a function in Lua (which is also a Game API functio nand a FrameXML-defined function) |
| 01:09.22 | Karrion | but in terms of the wiki, widget methods are documented separately to base API functions |
| 01:09.28 | Karrion | for example |
| 01:09.41 | Fin | right, so "Function" is just a superset |
| 01:10.23 | Zeal | the widgets are objects, not functions as far as i'm seeing. you apply API functions (in lua) to a widget. |
| 01:10.28 | Zeal | if i'm wrong, let me know |
| 01:10.59 | Fin | "apply" isn't exactly correct, but I reckon you mean the right thing |
| 01:11.03 | Zeal | *defined in lua |
| 01:11.09 | Zeal | yeah |
| 01:11.32 | Karrion | ehhhh... widgtes are objects, which have specific functions associated with them; when functions are associated in this way, they become what we call "methods" of the object |
| 01:12.43 | Fin | "A subprogram which returns a value of a specified type which is invoked as part of an expression. |
| 01:12.47 | Fin | www.it.bton.ac.uk/staff/je/adacraft/glossary.htm" |
| 01:12.50 | Fin | is sort of OK |
| 01:12.57 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:13.46 | Fin | it's something that takes some values normally and does something then returns something, sometimes to something else or itself - but not necessarily |
| 01:13.51 | Fin | yes |
| 01:14.00 | Zeal | haha |
| 01:14.31 | Karrion | so for example the Frame widget has a method Show(), which you call like frame:Show(). The wiki documents the Show() method in the widget section, because widgets are useless without their methods, and because other widgets might also have a Show() method which does something different. So all I'm saying is that it's useful to distinguish between the two kinds of function. |
| 01:15.09 | Fin | sure, distinguish away! |
| 01:15.43 | Fin | but "function" is still a term when you're listing stuff like Widget, Event, AddOn, etc. |
| 01:15.50 | Fin | -f+F |
| 01:18.11 | Fin | I mean, I think so anyway |
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| 01:20.35 | Karrion | oh for sure, I just got the impression that Zeal was listing them in terms of caterogisation, where the more specific terms would be more useful |
| 01:21.25 | Zeal | that is true Karrion |
| 01:21.51 | Zeal | but ultimately, i dropped thme all, and just put them under API |
| 01:22.01 | Fin | fair enough - but, "AddOn"? |
| 01:22.09 | Zeal | AddOn is on it's own |
| 01:22.32 | Fin | (its) |
| 01:22.32 | Zeal | i've considered libraries too, but though they may as well go under AddOn as well. |
| 01:22.42 | Zeal | indeed |
| 01:22.55 | Fin | I don't normally correct people on that! |
| 01:23.01 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:23.10 | Zeal | those little ' like to slip in ;) |
| 01:23.13 | Fin | only because you're on a Correct thing! |
| 01:23.32 | Fin | oh those little 's, eh... yeah... the "slip" in |
| 01:23.34 | Fin | +y |
| 01:23.36 | Fin | ' |
| 01:23.45 | Fin | sounds dirty |
| 01:23.54 | Zeal | so that's 47 new namespaces all together, lol. |
| 01:24.22 | Karrion | fair enough ;-) |
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| 01:37.46 | Zeal | odd, didn't set off my notify :s |
| 01:37.51 | Zeal | what Fin? |
| 01:41.57 | Fin | first day of the monht! |
| 01:41.59 | Fin | t< |
| 01:42.47 | Zeal | oh, yes, lol |
| 01:42.59 | Zeal | er.. no hit backs or w/e lol |
| 01:43.09 | Fin | you have to do it to someone else then |
| 01:43.23 | Zeal | nah, cos you didn't say it :p |
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| 01:43.46 | Zeal | plus, busy ;) |
| 01:44.52 | Fin | god fucking dammit |
| 01:45.06 | Fin | WHITE RABBIT NO RETURNS MOTHERFUCKER |
| 01:45.46 | Zeal | rofl |
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| 01:53.33 | Karrion | Hmm, was looking at Zeal's Template:BC_Itempage_Placeholder; it and several things it links/included use "depreciated" when they mean "deprecated" |
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| 01:53.55 | Karrion | Including Category:Pages_using_depreciated_templates |
| 01:55.27 | Karrion | I could fix Template:BC_Itempage_Placeholder and move Template:Depreciated, but can categories be moved/renamed? |
| 01:55.44 | Zeal | it's not mine in thee slightest, and it's intentional |
| 01:56.12 | Karrion | well, yours as in your deprecation of it |
| 01:56.41 | Zeal | Tekkub actually |
| 01:56.44 | Karrion | the Template:Depriciated is Tekkub's |
| 01:56.47 | Zeal | i set it ot speedydelete ;) |
| 01:57.04 | Karrion | ah sorry must have looked at wrong history line |
| 01:57.54 | Zeal | and it's depreciated, not deprecated. Tekkub has spelt it correctly. |
| 01:58.04 | Karrion | no |
| 01:58.18 | Fin | I think actually it is "deprecated"... |
| 01:58.20 | Karrion | "depreciated" means, decreasing in value over time |
| 01:58.24 | Fin | "depreciated" is "reduced in value" |
| 01:58.34 | Zeal | which is what it is |
| 01:58.37 | Karrion | "deprecated" means, to be considered harmful or no longer to be used |
| 01:58.49 | Zeal | deprecated doesn't mean that exactly. |
| 01:58.57 | Zeal | but either way, it is depreciated |
| 01:59.16 | Karrion | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deprecated |
| 01:59.48 | Fin | oh, hah, yeah, well I guess it would've helped if I'd read the IRC log and not just tried to be all clever |
| 02:00.54 | Zeal | yes Karrion, wikipedia can be wrong |
| 02:01.17 | Karrion | http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.5.0/docs/api/java/lang/Deprecated.html |
| 02:01.23 | Zeal | and in this context it is. I've never even seen the word deprecated used in that way. Even wikipedia uses depciated. |
| 02:01.38 | Karrion | and wikipedia can be wrong ;-) |
| 02:01.56 | Zeal | should also note one of the meaning of deprecated according to dictionaries, is depreciated |
| 02:02.02 | Zeal | *meanings |
| 02:02.37 | Zeal | deprecated seems a rather deprecated word itself tbh |
| 02:02.40 | Zeal | ;) |
| 02:03.18 | Zeal | only other meaning i've seen to protest and disagree with strongly |
| 02:03.22 | Zeal | *is to |
| 02:04.32 | Zeal | has little relvence. |
| 02:04.32 | Zeal | let's also not forget programmers like to make up special words.. |
| 02:04.42 | Karrion | hmm, food sounds like a good idea... bbl |
| 02:04.54 | Zeal | lol |
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| 02:42.48 | Kirkburn | Methinks it's time for bed |
| 02:42.55 | Kirkburn | Trashy TV ftw :) |
| 02:44.09 | Kirkburn | Oh and CSI ftss (translation: for the sheer stupidity) |
| 02:46.10 | Kirkburn | "Well I found this blue thread on his jacket and I traced it via my contact in .... then looked at webcams in .... after travelling to the Mariana Trench .... with petals .... up a tree in the Amazon ... so I went jogging ... hated "Friends" .... with a branch. It's from your jumper, Gil." |
| 02:47.03 | Zeal | O_o |
| 02:47.04 | Zeal | rofl |
| 02:48.08 | Kirkburn | First day of the month! And no returns! |
| 02:51.16 | Zeal | damn you! :p |
| 02:55.35 | Fin | yes! yes! |
| 02:56.20 | Kirkburn | Fin, you sound like you're ... enjoying yourself |
| 02:56.36 | Zeal | hehe |
| 02:57.33 | Fin | punch! pinch! |
| 03:02.03 | Kirkburn | Hey, heard about the new armory page? |
| 03:02.36 | Fin | yeah! |
| 03:02.53 | Fin | renchap's already screen scraping it to extract data about players |
| 03:03.16 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 03:03.22 | Kirkburn | The EU one - http://armory.wow-europe.com/? |
| 03:03.33 | Fin | http://www.guildewow.fr/test-armory.php |
| 03:03.39 | Fin | yup |
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| 03:13.08 | Kirkburn | They're arguing whether 0.9999999999999999... = 1 on #wowi-lounge |
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| 03:15.18 | Karrion | so much fun |
| 03:15.45 | Karrion | I mean, it's not like professional mathematicians haven't proved it a dozen times |
| 03:21.33 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 03:26.50 | Kirkburn | Restarting |
| 03:32.35 | Zeal | interesting how he's scraping that fin.. all characters showed up with a broken empty page for me. |
| 03:32.44 | Zeal | :s |
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| 03:35.02 | bleetah | of course, they're glossing over the fact that there's no such thing as absolute certainty or proof... but.. no.. i'm starting it in here |
| 03:53.58 | Fin | proof is for a the weak |
| 04:01.12 | bleetah | WoW Winer news: The WoW Wine 'crew' are migrating their HowTo onto WoWWiki.com's Linux/Wine page. Once that's done, they'll be pointing their appdb entry page to WoWWiki.com :) |
| 04:02.38 | Zeal | cool |
| 04:02.56 | bleetah | only main problem at the moment, is it's under the 'Linux/Wine' section, and I'd like to see it split off to indicate more than just linux. However, I can't think of a brief phrase that means 'Running WoW on an OS that's not officially supported by Blizz but is tolerated' |
| 04:03.18 | Zeal | rofl bleetah |
| 04:03.27 | Zeal | how about just Wine? |
| 04:03.33 | Zeal | let it explain itself. |
| 04:03.45 | bleetah | then we'd have to disambiguate from Booze:Wine ;) |
| 04:04.09 | bleetah | or at least, set it up in such a way that a Booze:Wine or similar could exist |
| 04:04.11 | Zeal | WoW on Wine? |
| 04:04.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:04.35 | bleetah | yeah, we'll get it together over the next week or so |
| 04:05.07 | bleetah | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Toxicity999 << WoW Wine appDB maintainer :) |
| 04:07.01 | Zeal | lmao |
| 04:07.12 | Zeal | i just turned the xml parser on for my wiki |
| 04:07.22 | Zeal | straight away, line 1, error |
| 04:07.30 | Zeal | and this is default install, no changes to the page. |
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| 04:07.57 | Zeal | gotta love them standards huh mediawiki? >_> |
| 04:20.02 | Zeal | hm.. Tekkub, dunno what version they started doing it, but 1.6.9 (which i beleive i'm using) doesn't do wiki accessed css : / |
| 04:20.05 | Zeal | or js.. |
| 04:20.47 | Zeal | 1.6.8 |
| 04:26.04 | Zeal | scratch that, i typo'd |
| 04:57.31 | bleetah | baa! |
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| 05:02.22 | pithe^ | allo |
| 06:26.55 | Zeal | erm.. Tekkub, i'm confused.. http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Monobook.css http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Monobook.js O_o |
| 06:27.22 | Tekkub | this should help you with that confusion |
| 06:27.22 | Tekkub | http://www.blizzard.com/wow/screenshot.aspx?ImageIndex=107&Set=64 |
| 06:29.58 | Zeal | lol, not it didn't :p |
| 06:30.01 | Zeal | *nope |
| 06:30.13 | Zeal | i take it those links no longer work now? |
| 06:31.42 | Zeal | well anyways, i'm tired. nn all |
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| 07:06.37 | Bagginsww | Interesting, Monster guide mentions that the glowing green eyes are sign of evolution from high elves, and in time they may evolve even further from high elves. |
| 07:06.47 | Bagginsww | *in blood elves |
| 07:07.43 | Laraul | how do you monitor addon performance? |
| 07:11.23 | Laraul | zeal still using that script? |
| 07:15.20 | Laraul | Does weather have any effect on anything? |
| 07:20.19 | Bagginsww | no it doesn't effect anything |
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| 08:14.19 | bleetah | Laraul: when 2.1.0 (not 2.0.10) comes out, there'll be much better built in tools for monitoring addon performance |
| 08:14.32 | bleetah | Laraul: there's a thread in the UI/Macro forum on the wow site about it |
| 08:15.46 | Laraul | I was reading the suggestion forum... and came accross a post asking to allow faction change... |
| 08:15.56 | Laraul | I think it would be a good idea |
| 08:16.36 | Laraul | But it would be very tough to accomplish the goal needed |
| 08:16.57 | Laraul | I guess no one is listening... |
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| 08:40.09 | vlad_ | I need to take down the wiki briefly so I can do some stuff for testing |
| 08:40.16 | vlad_ | if all goes well, it'll be down for only a few minutes |
| 08:41.34 | vlad_ | do de doo |
| 08:45.45 | vlad_ | .. doo da dee ... |
| 08:46.05 | vlad_ | that ther shure is a lot o' datars! |
| 08:52.14 | Laraul | i guess i'm gonna watch lost |
| 08:53.45 | vlad_ | ... and done. |
| 08:54.00 | bleetah | Laraul: I recall seeing a blue post stating that there'd be far too much recoding and testing involved to allow faction change |
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| 11:18.42 | Laraul | Man... I really don't feel like learning lua |
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| 12:52.06 | HJT_aka_Eylena | hi everybody |
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| 13:05.26 | HJT_aka_Eylena | can any1 tell me the racial talents of alliance mages? |
| 13:05.57 | HJT_aka_Eylena | not talents i ment, spells :s |
| 13:14.17 | HJT_aka_Eylena | is there any channel for general wow discussion? |
| 13:18.52 | HJT_aka_Eylena | please not all at once :s |
| 13:19.16 | amro | alright then, I won't say anything =P |
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| 13:36.00 | HJT_aka_Eylena | ur mean :s |
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| 13:45.48 | Kirk_Uni | Boo! |
| 13:46.37 | Tepetkhet | EEK! |
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| 13:57.54 | Kirk_Uni | And now I depart once again |
| 13:57.55 | Kirk_Uni | Bbl |
| 13:57.55 | Tepetkhet | Ah |
| 13:57.55 | Tepetkhet | Have fun. |
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| 15:23.49 | HJT_aka_Eylena | next try: do mages have race-specific spells, like priests? |
| 15:24.16 | equiraptor | No |
| 15:24.24 | equiraptor | Priests are pretty much the only class like that. |
| 15:24.30 | HJT_aka_Eylena | ok |
| 15:24.51 | equiraptor | Horde paladins have different names for a few of their spells than alliance, but I *think* the spells have the same function. |
| 15:24.56 | equiraptor | I *think*. Not entirely sure. |
| 15:25.30 | HJT_aka_Eylena | for that i dont care, coz my second char will be mage ;) |
| 15:26.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | LIAR! |
| 15:26.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | you know mages are a dying breed :< |
| 15:28.31 | Tepetkhet | Oh? |
| 15:32.49 | HJT_aka_Eylena | and i wanna counter that |
| 15:33.02 | Tepetkhet | Healers are a dying breed. |
| 15:33.15 | Tepetkhet | Actually, they've been rare for a while. |
| 15:33.18 | HJT_aka_Eylena | i already didi my part against that |
| 15:33.54 | Tepetkhet | I have 2 level 60+ healers in my guild. |
| 15:34.04 | Tepetkhet | Neither are online much. |
| 15:34.11 | HJT_aka_Eylena | pitty |
| 15:34.55 | HJT_aka_Eylena | we have 2 that r nearly every evening online, 1 we dont see often and me, lvl59 |
| 15:35.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | well, are you priests shadow or holy? |
| 15:35.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | we have a druid in our guild |
| 15:35.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | awesome players :D |
| 15:35.38 | Tepetkhet | Who mentioned priests? |
| 15:35.43 | HJT_aka_Eylena | im shadow due levelup, the rest is holy od holy/disc |
| 15:35.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | but she is usually stuck healing =\ |
| 15:35.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | \which makes me feel bad :< |
| 15:35.56 | Tepetkhet | Oh, wait. |
| 15:36.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | because I know some druids/priests also wanna dish out damage |
| 15:36.56 | Tepetkhet | Encounters tend to fail when the tank dies, though. |
| 15:37.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | true |
| 15:37.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | but Im thinking thats the reason priests are rare |
| 15:37.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | or at least holy specced\ |
| 15:37.26 | HJT_aka_Eylena | if ur holy, u can nearly forget soloing |
| 15:37.41 | Tepetkhet | Oh. Just put on DnD then. |
| 15:37.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | who wants to sit back and heal for the duration of a raid XD |
| 15:37.48 | Tepetkhet | And tell people you're busy. |
| 15:37.58 | Tepetkhet | hm. |
| 15:38.04 | Tepetkhet | Tuqui-tuqui: Healers, apparently. |
| 15:38.09 | HJT_aka_Eylena | do less, get more |
| 15:38.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | hehe |
| 15:38.17 | Tepetkhet | People who like the thrill of having the raid's life in their hands. ;) |
| 15:38.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | true... hmm... good point |
| 15:38.41 | Tepetkhet | Who wants to stand up and sunder sunder sunder and get hit for the duration of a raid? |
| 15:38.54 | Tepetkhet | Who wants to hang back and autoshot and AFK for the duration of a raid? |
| 15:39.05 | Tepetkhet | How about sinister strike sinister strike sinister strike? |
| 15:39.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | I can never go AFK with my squishie :p |
| 15:40.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | ohh... |
| 15:40.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | that reminds me |
| 15:40.12 | Tepetkhet | Every class can be as boring or as exciting as you want it to be. |
| 15:40.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | last night I truly saw the effects of ice CC in my mage :D |
| 15:40.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | Im level 52 and I aggroed about 4 50-51 mobs |
| 15:40.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | wait |
| 15:40.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | it was 5 |
| 15:40.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | one joined the party -.- |
| 15:41.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | took them all down with no damage! \o/ |
| 15:41.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | I was jumping with joy |
| 15:41.57 | Tuqui-tuqui | from then on it was taking multiple mobs at once :D |
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| 16:56.36 | Tepetkhet | I hate writing stuff up... |
| 16:56.42 | Tepetkhet | I fret over all the little things. |
| 16:57.02 | Tepetkhet | Like right now, I'm trying to update our "About Us" thing for my guild to be more informative. |
| 16:58.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 16:58.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | can we get a previw? :) |
| 16:58.19 | Tepetkhet | oh |
| 16:58.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | preview* |
| 16:58.30 | Tepetkhet | Right now it's at www.void-if-removed.com under About Us |
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| 17:01.07 | Tepetkhet | New page is here: |
| 17:01.09 | Tepetkhet | http://www.void-if-removed.com/page.php?10 |
| 17:10.29 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats your language? :D |
| 17:10.43 | Tepetkhet | What do you mean? |
| 17:10.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | language refers to scripts |
| 17:11.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | sorry |
| 17:11.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... is that the entire thing? |
| 17:11.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | there we go |
| 17:11.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | is that it? |
| 17:11.35 | Tepetkhet | Yes... |
| 17:11.41 | Tuqui-tuqui | ok ^_^ |
| 17:11.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | a bit of advise if you do not mind |
| 17:11.52 | Tepetkhet | I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 17:12.01 | Tepetkhet | By "is that it?" |
| 17:12.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | well its 4 lines... and I mean no disrespect |
| 17:12.45 | Tepetkhet | There should be a left panel, a right panel, a banner and a box that says "Test About Us" with 3 paragraphs, a short phrase, and a signature. |
| 17:12.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Boo! |
| 17:12.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | eek! |
| 17:13.01 | Tepetkhet | EEK! |
| 17:13.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | what I meant was... is that it for your About Us description |
| 17:13.43 | Tepetkhet | Oh, the regular About Us here? |
| 17:13.43 | Tepetkhet | http://www.void-if-removed.com/page.php?4 |
| 17:13.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah :D |
| 17:14.04 | Tepetkhet | There should be 2 paragraphs and a line at the bottom that says, "For the Horde!" |
| 17:14.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 17:14.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | kk |
| 17:14.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Aww, you're mature? |
| 17:14.26 | Tepetkhet | Mostly. |
| 17:14.32 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 17:14.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | I blame the schools |
| 17:14.50 | Tepetkhet | I'm 36 years old and don't use "lol" every other word. |
| 17:14.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | I do! |
| 17:15.00 | Tuqui-tuqui | lollercoaster |
| 17:15.03 | Tepetkhet | ... |
| 17:15.06 | Tepetkhet | *ban* |
| 17:15.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | :< |
| 17:15.11 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 17:15.25 | Tepetkhet | Who was that in my IRC? |
| 17:15.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 17:15.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Looks cool, but I would say maybe increase the font size a little? =) |
| 17:15.44 | Bagginsww | lawl |
| 17:15.48 | Tepetkhet | I don't know how to get Trillian to show hostmasks on join/part. |
| 17:16.01 | Tepetkhet | Kirkburn|afk: You certainly may. |
| 17:16.20 | Bagginsww | so kirkburn I put up a a list of "monsters" from the monster guide |
| 17:16.20 | Tepetkhet | I am not satisfied with the overall readability of the site. |
| 17:16.26 | Bagginsww | and the one from the supplements |
| 17:16.26 | Tepetkhet | And there are some problems I have with the layout. |
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| 17:16.41 | Tuqui-tuqui | I just think you should fill it a bit more |
| 17:16.41 | Bagginsww | I might pick up the supplment at some point out of morbid curiosity :p |
| 17:16.51 | Tepetkhet | I'm not a designer, though, so coming up with something different is hard. |
| 17:17.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, \o/ |
| 17:17.24 | Tepetkhet | Tuqui-tuqui: You think the original is better, or the Test one? |
| 17:17.51 | Kirkburn|afk | My thoughts on the design - increase the header and main text size a little, move the name into the picture box? |
| 17:17.52 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Monster_Guide |
| 17:18.06 | Kirkburn|afk | (I'm commenting on http://www.void-if-removed.com/page.php?4 ) |
| 17:18.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://www.void-if-removed.com/page.php?10 |
| 17:18.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | that one is better |
| 17:18.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | because it gives you more to read |
| 17:18.19 | Tepetkhet | Hm. if I make it too long, people may hit the "Too Long Didn't Read" stage, though. |
| 17:18.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | usually About Us are lengthy |
| 17:18.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | though the majority lean on boring -.- |
| 17:18.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Good idea putting a name on the about us |
| 17:18.48 | Kirkburn|afk | More personal :) |
| 17:18.53 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Monster_Guide_Web_Supplement |
| 17:18.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah Tepetkhet, people lose interst quickly |
| 17:19.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Bagginsww, Weasel?! |
| 17:19.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh my god, it's going to bite me! |
| 17:19.27 | Bagginsww | LOL, ya... |
| 17:19.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | badger!badger!badger!badger!badger!badger! |
| 17:19.32 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 17:19.32 | Tuqui-tuqui | SNAKE! |
| 17:19.40 | Bagginsww | ooh its a snake |
| 17:19.53 | Bagginsww | ooh its a snake, Graham |
| 17:20.04 | Tepetkhet | Kirkburn|afk: I have struggled with the banner. I kind of want to move the guildname more up into the banner area, but I don't want to cover my cute little Voidwalkers. |
| 17:20.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Ooh, I'd like to see squid in WoW |
| 17:20.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | :| |
| 17:20.56 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm... |
| 17:20.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | we have crab people |
| 17:21.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Tepetkhet, I see them :) |
| 17:21.02 | Bagginsww | ya, and some of those "animals and vermin" are ones mentioned in "appendix III" :p |
| 17:21.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | squidbillies? |
| 17:21.22 | Bagginsww | squid would be cool |
| 17:21.31 | Bagginsww | same with octopi |
| 17:21.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | same difference? |
| 17:21.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Tepetkhet, if it's reduced slightly, it could just cover the lightning things, staying above the VWs? |
| 17:21.57 | Bagginsww | nah they are different physically |
| 17:22.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | well because of the head area... |
| 17:22.08 | Bagginsww | squid have like 10 tentacles |
| 17:22.18 | Bagginsww | and the heads are different |
| 17:22.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | but it would be cool to have squid/octopus area |
| 17:22.22 | Tepetkhet | I think my text boxes need padding. |
| 17:22.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | like squids could be minions |
| 17:22.31 | Bagginsww | I think they are said to live in maelstrom |
| 17:22.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | and octopus could be bosses |
| 17:22.37 | Kirkburn|afk | If the text is bright enough (bright yellow, so yes), you don't need a huge title :) |
| 17:22.38 | Bagginsww | in Lands of Mystery |
| 17:22.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye, a few px of padding would help |
| 17:23.00 | Tepetkhet | Kirkburn|afk: That's kind of what I was thinking for the positioning. |
| 17:23.07 | Bagginsww | I'm guessing the refrence to "african rhino" must be in the article itself not hte title |
| 17:23.24 | Bagginsww | maybe its a "comparison" thing |
| 17:23.41 | Bagginsww | Like, they are similar to "african rhinos" |
| 17:24.11 | Bagginsww | you know Monster Guide actually uses the term "Neanderthal" to describe troggs? |
| 17:24.29 | Bagginsww | That's such an earth description, :p |
| 17:25.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | those earthlings... |
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| 17:26.30 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 17:26.51 | Bagginsww | Although Kirk brought up a good point the other day, "Swiss" |
| 17:26.57 | Tepetkhet | It's time. |
| 17:27.00 | Tepetkhet | It's time. |
| 17:27.06 | Tepetkhet | It's time to hate the Swiss. |
| 17:27.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | dont do it Tepetkhet! |
| 17:27.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | nooo!!!! |
| 17:27.54 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 17:28.30 | Tepetkhet | I wish I knew why my purple and gold horizontal bars on my sote on top of menus and stuff all had EXTRA PADDING. |
| 17:28.36 | Tepetkhet | s/sote/site/ |
| 17:29.55 | Bagginsww | I finally got around to playing Call of Duty 3. I was amused that it has Canadians in it... There was always this running injoke with COD fans complaining on message boards about how there was "never any canadian campaigns" |
| 17:30.18 | Bagginsww | I hear that upcoming PSP game has a Canadian campaign too |
| 17:30.38 | Tuqui-tuqui | It's called "We're here to clean up after you guys did all the work!" |
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| 17:30.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | ^_^ |
| 17:30.54 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 17:30.54 | Tuqui-tuqui | <3 Canadians |
| 17:30.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | <3 Canadia |
| 17:31.32 | Bagginsww | Canadians are interesting though, from the standpoint they feel like a cross between americans, brits, and french all rolled up into one unit |
| 17:31.57 | Bagginsww | gusn are british, some of the characters have "american accents", and some have "french accents" |
| 17:32.02 | Bagginsww | *guns |
| 17:33.05 | Bagginsww | Although, having not know much about the involvement of Canadians during the war, I was also a bit surprised that their helmets and uniforms looked quite a bit different than either american or british uniforms., especiall the helmets. |
| 17:33.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | its weird with Canada |
| 17:34.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | theyre a semi independant entity |
| 17:34.43 | Tuqui-tuqui | good thing about them, their great healthcare system! |
| 17:34.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | go Canadia! |
| 17:34.48 | Bagginsww | I thought they were independent at this point? Although at least the west still has a fascination with the queen. |
| 17:35.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | well |
| 17:35.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | I believe theyre part of England |
| 17:35.29 | Tuqui-tuqui | are they not? |
| 17:35.30 | Bagginsww | In recent times though most of their coins have removed more and more symbols of British rule |
| 17:35.37 | Tuqui-tuqui | its not like anyone follows Cnadian news or history |
| 17:35.52 | Bagginsww | I thought they broke away from England in last 15 years or so |
| 17:36.21 | Bagginsww | that is they no longer have to pay taxes or such to England, from what I remember reading |
| 17:36.38 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh |
| 17:36.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | I think thats been going on for a while |
| 17:36.55 | Bagginsww | and that was one reason why they wanted to change their money to include pictures of animals and leaves and other things that mean "Canada" rather than the old "empire" |
| 17:37.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | Canada gained independence from the United Kingdom in an incremental process that began in 1867 and ended in 1982; it remains a Commonwealth Realm. |
| 17:37.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | ahh.... |
| 17:37.19 | Tuqui-tuqui | that explains it |
| 17:37.21 | Bagginsww | so its basically an ally |
| 17:37.25 | Tuqui-tuqui | yeah |
| 17:37.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | forced ally :p |
| 17:37.31 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 17:37.40 | Tuqui-tuqui | canadian: meh... gotta help those turkey brits again |
| 17:38.24 | Bagginsww | Where does Australia fit in nowadays? |
| 17:38.41 | Bagginsww | independent, partial independent? |
| 17:38.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | in the anals of the world... |
| 17:39.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | its completely independant of the UK |
| 17:39.26 | Bagginsww | That's what I though |
| 17:40.24 | Bagginsww | the canada money change has been occurring over hte last 10 years or so |
| 17:41.29 | Bagginsww | Woah, canada has a new territory, LOL. Somehow I missed that |
| 17:41.50 | Bagginsww | Nunavut, in 1999 |
| 17:42.08 | Bagginsww | but as early as 1993 |
| 17:42.24 | Bagginsww | I guess it wasn't "big news" LOL |
| 17:43.35 | Bagginsww | I wonder if east and west still discuss breaking away into seperate countries still? |
| 17:43.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | you mean in Canada? |
| 17:43.50 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 17:43.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | that rumour of certain areas wanting to belong to the US? |
| 17:44.33 | Bagginsww | There was always a history of antagonish between the more french controlled territories and the more british controlled territories |
| 17:44.44 | Bagginsww | *antangonism |
| 17:45.27 | Bagginsww | a few times throughout history there were discusses of having some kind of split in the nation |
| 17:45.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | I doubt its ever going to happen |
| 17:45.52 | Bagginsww | I don't think so either |
| 17:46.56 | Bagginsww | I hink discussion is mostly scholarly if anything, or at least canadian version of a filibuster, LOL. |
| 17:47.58 | sancus | lol @ you guys |
| 17:52.29 | Bagginsww | Oh and chaos orcs get a refrence again in Monster Guide as another name or type of fel orc |
| 17:53.17 | Bagginsww | and refrence to raid on the "Black Citadel" to attack magtheridon. |
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| 17:57.58 | Zeal | lo all |
| 17:57.58 | Bagginsww | Zeal; |
| 17:57.58 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Monster_Guide |
| 17:58.01 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Monster_Guide_Web_Supplement |
| 17:59.15 | Zeal | weren't a load of the french territories wanting indepence recently? Canada put a stop to it iirc. |
| 18:00.44 | Bagginsww | ya, I believe so |
| 18:03.00 | Bagginsww | I remember reading or hearing it in the news. |
| 18:03.49 | Bagginsww | although can't always trust the news LOL |
| 18:07.03 | Bagginsww | So you gotta love how all ungoro creatures are now classified as "dinosaurs" LOL |
| 18:08.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 18:08.42 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Eternals#Name_change |
| 18:08.48 | Tuqui-tuqui | Im still to go to UnGoro :< |
| 18:08.50 | Bagginsww | Eternals gets used again in the book. |
| 18:09.17 | Bagginsww | well all the reptilian creatures, not hte plants, golems etc of course |
| 18:09.40 | Tuqui-tuqui | are there rare herbs in unGoro? |
| 18:09.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | I need to farm herbs -.- |
| 18:09.51 | Bagginsww | I'm not an herbalist no idea |
| 18:09.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh =\ |
| 18:09.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | you turkey -.- |
| 18:10.00 | Tuqui-tuqui | :D |
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| 18:12.46 | Bagginsww | I don't see what the problem is with "Eternals" really... |
| 18:12.58 | Bagginsww | all other terms redirect to that thread anyways... |
| 18:20.43 | Bagginsww | adding in the listed varients to the monster guide monster list |
| 18:28.10 | Bagginsww | It turns out grell are natural fey creatures, and not demonic in origin |
| 18:28.21 | Bagginsww | although some have been corrupted |
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| 18:32.48 | Zeal | ffs.. useless wiki info.. |
| 18:32.53 | Zeal | argh |
| 18:39.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | what s pat? |
| 18:39.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | what's a pat... |
| 18:39.33 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 18:41.16 | Tepetkhet | Patrol? |
| 18:41.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | ooohhhh... |
| 18:41.29 | MatthewS | or 'pather' |
| 18:41.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | did not know that |
| 18:42.30 | Bagginsww | alright all varients should be complete |
| 18:42.35 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Monster_Guide#List_of_Monsters |
| 18:42.58 | Bagginsww | As for the "Ice Troll" section its not saying Sandfury trolls or Zandalar trolls are "ice trolls" |
| 18:43.09 | Bagginsww | just how to convert ice trolls into those types of trolls |
| 18:48.40 | Zeal | Bagginsww, could you link to the supplement article from that article please. :p |
| 18:49.07 | Zeal | supplement, web enchancement, rip off. whatever you want to call it ;) |
| 18:49.18 | Bagginsww | sorry, was too busy working with contents :p |
| 18:49.26 | Zeal | lol, np at all |
| 18:49.28 | Zeal | it's nice |
| 18:49.44 | Bagginsww | Tar beasts, are an elemental conglomerate btw |
| 18:49.48 | Bagginsww | of earth and water |
| 18:56.57 | Zeal | cool |
| 18:57.26 | Zeal | nice to have some better evidence of the different elementals getting along. |
| 18:57.50 | Zeal | sick of people assuming each elemental fights the other and they're pure evil because they served th old gods.. |
| 19:04.56 | Bagginsww | well, doesn't meant they get along actually |
| 19:05.06 | Bagginsww | its more of an "evolutionary" path |
| 19:05.17 | Bagginsww | and I exaggerate the meaning of evolution :p |
| 19:05.35 | Bagginsww | but they are adapations to existing in unique environments |
| 19:06.47 | Bagginsww | TBH according to the book take for example lava elementals they don't really get along with fire elments nor earth elementals, except for the few under ragnaros |
| 19:07.03 | Bagginsww | earth elementals themselves would never get along with either |
| 19:12.22 | Zeal | but Bagginsww, that's seemingly just factions (even the lore seems to make gross sterotyping) |
| 19:12.55 | Bagginsww | well take ice elementals for example |
| 19:13.04 | Bagginsww | they have their own world in the elemental plane |
| 19:13.06 | Bagginsww | 'frostland" |
| 19:13.23 | Bagginsww | which neither touches air, or water domains entirely |
| 19:14.08 | Zeal | world of land? |
| 19:15.06 | Zeal | *or |
| 19:17.31 | Bagginsww | Lava elementals apparently have a portion of area int he elemental planes between deephome, and firelands |
| 19:17.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | Welcome... |
| 19:17.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | to the World of Land |
| 19:17.48 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:17.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | sounds like a cool expansion pack |
| 19:18.06 | Zeal | Welcome, to the Woooorld of Tomorrow! |
| 19:18.14 | Tuqui-tuqui | lol |
| 19:18.57 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:22.29 | winkiller | btrf? |
| 19:22.34 | winkiller | *bttf |
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| 19:31.21 | Bagginsww | Alright got the supplment, now we can laugh at its editing job as I copy and past material from it ;) |
| 19:33.14 | Bagginsww | Oh I love the bit on the cat; |
| 19:33.24 | Bagginsww | Cats prefer to sneak up on their prey. |
| 19:33.27 | Bagginsww | woohoo |
| 19:33.31 | Bagginsww | like I didn't know that already heh heh |
| 19:33.55 | Zeal | haha |
| 19:34.00 | Bagginsww | Crocodiles are aggressive predators 11 to 12 feet long. |
| 19:34.00 | Bagginsww | They lie mostly submerged in rivers or marshes, with |
| 19:34.01 | Bagginsww | only their eyes and nostrils showing, waiting for prey to |
| 19:34.01 | Bagginsww | come within reach. |
| 19:34.07 | Zeal | telling you tha lost a line of lore.. |
| 19:34.17 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:35.40 | Bagginsww | It will be fun though to copy and paste these sentences to Wowwiki heh heh |
| 19:36.07 | Zeal | sorry for slow down :p |
| 19:36.22 | Zeal | just had to add 30 new currencies to {{cost}} lol. |
| 19:37.00 | Bagginsww | These birds of prey inhabit nearly every terrain and |
| 19:37.00 | Bagginsww | climate, though they all prefer high, secluded nesting |
| 19:37.00 | Bagginsww | spots. |
| 19:37.00 | Bagginsww | A typical eagle is about 3 feet long and has a wingspan |
| 19:37.01 | Bagginsww | of about 7 feet. |
| 19:37.07 | Bagginsww | -*eagle |
| 19:37.37 | Bagginsww | Lawl, descrip for "frenzies" |
| 19:37.39 | Bagginsww | Frenzies are voracious, toothy fish. |
| 19:38.00 | Bagginsww | Giraffes are graceful herbivores with long necks. They |
| 19:38.01 | Bagginsww | eat the leaves from the tops of trees. |
| 19:38.29 | Zeal | urgh |
| 19:38.36 | Zeal | no way i'm buying this |
| 19:38.45 | Zeal | even doubting buying the monster guide.. |
| 19:39.03 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay monster guide! |
| 19:39.05 | Bagginsww | ya I warn you not to, if there is anything you want to know just ask me |
| 19:39.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | boo bad descriptions |
| 19:39.10 | Bagginsww | The statistics presented here describe a male African |
| 19:39.10 | Bagginsww | lion, which is 5 to 8 feet long and weighs 330 to 550 |
| 19:39.10 | Bagginsww | pounds. |
| 19:39.17 | Bagginsww | Lawl |
| 19:39.23 | Zeal | wtf.. |
| 19:39.24 | Zeal | rofl |
| 19:39.44 | Bagginsww | Monitor lizards can be aggressive, using their powerful |
| 19:39.44 | Bagginsww | jaws to tear at prey or enemies. |
| 19:39.46 | Zeal | it sounds more like "RL: The RPG |
| 19:39.49 | Zeal | *" |
| 19:39.51 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 19:40.00 | Bagginsww | I'd say, Discovery Channel: The RPG |
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| 19:40.25 | Bagginsww | Mammoths are shaggy beasts that resemble elephants. |
| 19:40.25 | Bagginsww | They live in Northrend and are capable of dealing |
| 19:40.25 | Bagginsww | frightening damage. In addition to their long tusks, a |
| 19:40.25 | Bagginsww | horny protrusion of bone juts from their foreheads, and |
| 19:40.25 | Bagginsww | another protrudes from their backs. |
| 19:40.41 | Bagginsww | ok that's at least a bit more interesting since it actually adds to something we knew very little about |
| 19:40.58 | Bagginsww | from a obscure creep in TFT |
| 19:41.47 | Zeal | i throw my doubts on that, but sure. |
| 19:41.59 | Bagginsww | The rhinoceros is infamous for its bad temper and |
| 19:42.00 | Bagginsww | willingness to charge intruders. |
| 19:42.00 | Bagginsww | The statistics presented here are based on the African |
| 19:42.00 | Bagginsww | black rhino, which is 6 to 14 feet long, 3 to 6 feet high |
| 19:42.00 | Bagginsww | at the shoulder, and weighs up to 6,000 pounds. |
| 19:42.37 | Bagginsww | Well ya zeal they could have been more wordy and added even more details rather than just describing what htey look like |
| 19:43.01 | Bagginsww | and how they "fight" :p |
| 19:43.09 | Bagginsww | but at least they bothered to say they are from Northrend LOL |
| 19:43.54 | Bagginsww | Sheep are docile herbivores. Both black and white varieties |
| 19:43.54 | Bagginsww | exist, and they are prized for their wool. Some mages are |
| 19:43.54 | Bagginsww | infamous for polymorphing their opponents into sheep. |
| 19:43.57 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:44.11 | Bagginsww | Sheep flee rather than attack. Rumors of them |
| 19:44.11 | Bagginsww | exploding spontaneously are unsubstantiated. |
| 19:44.18 | Bagginsww | Lollicopter |
| 19:44.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | roflsaurus rex |
| 19:44.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | where are you getting this stuff from? |
| 19:45.02 | Bagginsww | Monster Guide supplement |
| 19:45.07 | Zeal | it jsut seems the proccess for the monsters was this.. "1) find RL version as basis or steal from an existing RPG 2) insert random mentions of Warcraft so it looks like we adapted it 3) make sure remove all RL or other RPG refrences (oh shit, we forgot this step :O )" |
| 19:45.16 | Zeal | *sure to |
| 19:45.48 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:45.52 | Bagginsww | ya I know |
| 19:46.00 | Bagginsww | the mammoth btw, was in TFT though |
| 19:46.33 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Mammoth.gif |
| 19:46.39 | Zeal | aye i know |
| 19:46.58 | Zeal | but i'm fairly sure that was not the basis for that entry :P |
| 19:47.36 | Bagginsww | well they got the horn coming out of the middle of its head right |
| 19:47.42 | Bagginsww | and the fact they are from northrend |
| 19:47.54 | Bagginsww | plus the Icetusk mammothn was one of the varietns in TFT |
| 19:48.34 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Mammoth |
| 19:48.34 | Zeal | i know |
| 19:48.48 | Zeal | both things that can be (and have been) added in what equates to barely a sentence. |
| 19:49.18 | Bagginsww | I'm thinking I'd better post this info under another account LOL, so that WW doesn't come after me for stealing their guide LOL |
| 19:49.35 | Bagginsww | yep, and that's basically what you get in most entries in mosnter guide LOL |
| 19:49.50 | Bagginsww | This one is for Kirk; |
| 19:49.52 | Bagginsww | Weasel |
| 19:50.19 | Bagginsww | These little mammals are aggressive predators |
| 19:50.19 | Bagginsww | but usually confine themselves to smaller prey. They include ferrets and similar mustelids. |
| 19:51.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | or Richard Gear |
| 19:51.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | Gere* |
| 19:51.56 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 19:52.32 | Zeal | O_o |
| 19:54.25 | Bagginsww | But ya zeal some of these things were things either mentioned in appendix 3, or in core rule book LOL |
| 19:54.48 | Bagginsww | you might remember in the core rule book it would say, "go to this source" to find out the stats for the creature. |
| 19:55.09 | Bagginsww | This is there way so people don't have to go out and buy the book they refrenced previously LOL |
| 19:55.14 | Zeal | haven't read it yet, only 3/4 through S&L |
| 19:55.26 | Bagginsww | but knowing them they probalby would like people to buy both |
| 19:55.36 | Bagginsww | do you like S&L? |
| 19:55.44 | Zeal | yeah, pretty good. |
| 19:55.55 | Bagginsww | Core rulebook isn't really a strong lore book, its more pure gaming |
| 19:56.01 | Zeal | would have been nice to have ti hard backed and coloured, but meh. |
| 19:56.12 | Bagginsww | Oh I agree. |
| 19:56.23 | Bagginsww | at least you can find some of the artwork in color if you go thte artists website |
| 19:56.49 | Zeal | aye |
| 19:57.15 | Zeal | i liked the short stories and accompanying artwork, and the explanation for each entry was nicely done. |
| 19:57.36 | Zeal | explaining how certain skills work, how they come about, why they're used. |
| 19:57.48 | Zeal | thats the sorta stuff i expect in terms of quality. |
| 20:00.35 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 20:01.21 | Bagginsww | M&M has one or more short stories as I recall so its worth it for those. |
| 20:01.29 | Bagginsww | the sequel didn't |
| 20:01.55 | Bagginsww | although the sequel has some neat lore for WoW weapons and items if you read between the lines of gameplay |
| 20:02.20 | Bagginsww | but its not up to the quality of brann books, or S&L |
| 20:02.24 | Bagginsww | IMO |
| 20:02.35 | Zeal | well S&L, the stores introduced new sections, which i liked, though a bit more relevence between the story and the section would have been prefered. |
| 20:02.39 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Whale |
| 20:03.21 | Zeal | it's a good way to introduce the things in the the section, and help RPers build up a imagination of the sort of things they could play out using it's content. |
| 20:03.28 | Zeal | *an |
| 20:04.26 | Bagginsww | Oh I agree |
| 20:04.56 | Bagginsww | Plus give us lore fans, something to enjoy between the stupid statistical information |
| 20:05.22 | Bagginsww | I think its the reason why the brought back stories in the "Player's Guides" line |
| 20:05.31 | Bagginsww | they should be in Dark Factions too |
| 20:05.47 | Zeal | aye |
| 20:09.10 | Zeal | i tell you who they should get to write the flavour text for the entires. the guy who did CoH. he may not have the best writing style for story telling, but hes good at capturing the details and presenting facts in a clear way (which is the main reason why he isn't a good story writer, as he breaks flow or jumps around too much) |
| 20:11.12 | Bagginsww | good idea |
| 20:22.06 | Zeal | god.. i cba to reply |
| 20:22.11 | Zeal | Deeper i a fucking fool |
| 20:23.02 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Monster_Guide_Web_Supplement#Table_of_Contents |
| 20:23.05 | Bagginsww | alright updated |
| 20:25.01 | Bagginsww | Time to update "housecat", with the one sentence discription heh heh. |
| 20:28.47 | Zeal | lol |
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| 21:44.44 | Bagginsww | added info up to housecat now |
| 21:53.59 | bleetah | Cairenn: you'll love this.. the guifications devel mail list just got a request to implement..... popup notifications :/ |
| 21:54.33 | bleetah | (for the uninitiated, that'd be like suggesting to blizz the produce an MMORPG version of Warcraft) |
| 21:54.42 | bleetah | *they |
| 21:55.58 | amro | why don't they make a warcraft mmorpg? you know, one where the alliance actually fights the horde |
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| 22:08.23 | Cairenn | bleetah: rofl |
| 22:09.29 | Tepetkhet | Gotta run. |
| 22:10.00 | Tepetkhet | Bye. |
| 22:10.01 | amro | Later |
| 22:11.10 | Zeal | when i type, do people assume i'm angry or having a go at them? sometimes i hate chat.. people always misinterpret and assume : / |
| 22:14.18 | bleetah | 'net chat is heavily reliant on both the sender and recipient realising that a lot of tone and inflection that we receive either in a voice, or face to face communication, are missing. it's a very frequent 'issue'. in my experience, it's more often than not both side which are at fault (to various degrees) |
| 22:14.18 | equiraptor | That's the bad part about it. :/ |
| 22:14.42 | equiraptor | I don't know if it's really fair to say anyone is at fault. |
| 22:15.13 | equiraptor | More like "The medium lacks subtlety," than "someone did something wrong." |
| 22:15.38 | bleetah | that the medium lacks subtlety is obvious, thus both sender and recipient should take this into account |
| 22:16.02 | equiraptor | And yet it's not obvious to many. |
| 22:16.12 | equiraptor | It's obvious to people like us who think about it. |
| 22:16.17 | bleetah | I'm not being specific to you zeal, just my feeling after being online for...more than 25 years |
| 22:16.39 | bleetah | as a wild generalisation, etc., and we all know wild generalisations should be avoided online ;) |
| 22:16.50 | equiraptor | All generalizations are false! |
| 22:16.52 | equiraptor | :D |
| 22:17.05 | Zeal | lol |
| 22:17.09 | Zeal | yeah |
| 22:17.11 | bleetah | equiraptor: most people don't think. half the population have a below average IQ , etc. etc. |
| 22:17.14 | amro | including the generalisation of F= ma ? |
| 22:17.31 | Zeal | i dunno, i know it, i don't take it into account, but i give people the benefit of the doubt all the time. |
| 22:17.36 | equiraptor | amro: "All generalizations are false" is a generalization. That's kinda the point. ;) |
| 22:18.03 | equiraptor | bleetah: Well, of course half the population has a belowe average IQ. :-P |
| 22:18.07 | Zeal | so sure, i could misinterpret, but i won't asume they ment to sound angry, i'd probably ask them something after to guage. |
| 22:19.11 | equiraptor | I don't have enough work to do today. |
| 22:19.18 | equiraptor | I wanna just go driving around in my car. |
| 22:19.26 | bleetah | equiraptor: it's depressing when you realise the number of people in 'the other half' don't realise that fact ;) |
| 22:19.34 | equiraptor | haha |
| 22:19.36 | bleetah | ie, the above avg IQ folks |
| 22:20.15 | equiraptor | And another random thing - I was one question away from a perfect score on the math section of the SAT. :( |
| 22:20.31 | Psyker7 | damn maths |
| 22:20.32 | equiraptor | (I'm not one of those people who thinks your IQ or your SAT score determines your worth, though) |
| 22:23.34 | Zeal | heh |
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| 23:43.30 | Bagginsww | zeal now the map in warcraft 3 roughly looks like the outside of hte black temple in WoW |
| 23:43.51 | Bagginsww | a so called "ziggurat" formation |
| 23:44.15 | Zeal | means precious little, but add it to the speculation article if you want. |
| 23:44.16 | Bagginsww | if you haven't noticed that similiarty |
| 23:44.39 | Zeal | i haveseen it, but i've sen plenty say it |
| 23:44.51 | Zeal | Bc that is. |
| 23:45.08 | Zeal | unless you mean the icon on the map.. |
| 23:45.20 | Zeal | in which case i alugh and restate what i said :p |
| 23:45.54 | Zeal | i'm rewritting the HFc page atm.. |
| 23:46.15 | Zeal | just removed all the junk from BT, move all that stuff to BC (WC3) |
| 23:46.24 | Zeal | for lack of a better name |
| 23:47.48 | Zeal | " The [[Shattered Hand]] and [[Shadowmoon]] Clans manned the fortress after the Orc's crossing into Azeroth." i don't recall that? |
| 23:48.03 | Zeal | *throws too |
| 23:48.32 | Bagginsww | I don't know about that |
| 23:48.32 | Bagginsww | not something I added |
| 23:50.12 | Bagginsww | The black citadel ingame map, that you have to take over with the help of the draenei. basically has two sidees with a raod running up the middle from what I remember |
| 23:50.38 | Bagginsww | there are ceries of walls with forces set up inside of the walls |
| 23:50.40 | Bagginsww | *series |
| 23:50.51 | Bagginsww | similar to the walls you see in BC around the black temple |
| 23:51.04 | Bagginsww | then you have to fightyour way towards the center where a platform exists |
| 23:51.10 | Bagginsww | where magtheridan was located |
| 23:51.50 | Bagginsww | art style is different in BC, but TFT is closer to it, than "orcish" design seen in hellfire citadel |
| 23:52.09 | Bagginsww | I'll see if I can get you some screenshots |
