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| 01:07.18 | Barbanus | Some weird display errors with this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor_Hold |
| 01:07.27 | Barbanus | By the tooltips at the bottom |
| 01:07.29 | Barbanus | "This article is a transcludable page, therefore it may only contain a few words, a tooltip or a price tag" |
| 01:13.11 | Barbanus | Aparantly the template there is flagged for deletion ... anyone know what template is supposed to be used instead? :) |
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| 01:16.33 | Jeoh | Could someone please take a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Bloodhoof_Europe and tell me what went wrong? Over here, the navigation bar is displayed at the bottom left of the page, instead of below the icon. |
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| 01:45.02 | zeal | nn all |
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| 01:56.03 | Jeoh | Could someone please take a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Bloodhoof_Europe and tell me what went wrong? Over here, the navigation bar is displayed at the bottom left of the page, instead of below the icon. |
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| 03:16.30 | Montagg | I currently have more +shadow damage at 54 than the Voidheart (lock t4) set has in spell damage... |
| 03:21.00 | sancus | um |
| 03:21.06 | sancus | voidheart is 5 pieces? |
| 03:31.15 | Montagg | sancus: True, so I suppose that leaves some room to grow. |
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| 04:12.15 | Sky2042 | hmm, question here |
| 04:14.40 | Sky2042 | hehe, hey. give me a sec to phrase my question without hurting one's head |
| 04:15.38 | sancus | better luck next time |
| 04:16.28 | Sky2042 | eh, eff it. here goes: |
| 04:17.19 | Sky2042 | using the template {{usertable}}, is it possible to make the characters appear as a link with their name in it, rather than the entire [[user:username/toonname]]? |
| 04:17.42 | Sky2042 | see http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Brilas |
| 04:18.15 | Sky2042 | because i be confoosed >_< |
| 04:19.39 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 04:19.55 | sancus | how should I know |
| 04:20.04 | sancus | I've edited the wiki like twice |
| 04:21.30 | Sky2042 | then how are you admin on here? you own the server? :O |
| 04:22.33 | sancus | im part-owner, you could say |
| 04:22.49 | sancus | I do my absolute best to avoid the day to day operations of the wiki :) |
| 04:22.56 | Sky2042 | lawl |
| 04:24.01 | Montagg | Sky2042: A quick way to get around that is to pass usertable your character's name, and then make the page it links to a redirect to your character's page so it doesn't show up as an empty link. |
| 04:24.19 | Montagg | Sky2042: I actually don't like the way usertable handles that situation, personally. Could use a recode. |
| 04:24.39 | Sky2042 | :o |
| 04:24.46 | Sky2042 | eh |
| 04:25.04 | Sky2042 | it definitely could be... >_> |
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| 04:29.37 | Adys | Gfh fghgf hd ff's moves all reverted now |
| 04:30.41 | Sky2042 | evening adys |
| 04:30.45 | Adys | alo |
| 04:31.09 | Montagg | If you like, you can use User:Montag/Pcbar, even though it's still in "beta" (as much as templates can be in beta). It allows you to specify everything using item=value, inserts placeholders where nothing is specified, and gives you the option of linking or not linking the name. |
| 04:31.28 | Montagg | I'm using it for myself on User:Montag/Nariana |
| 04:31.52 | Montagg | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Montag/Pcbar and http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Montag/Nariana |
| 04:33.45 | Adys | can someone fix http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Server%3ABloodhoof_Europe&diff=507782&oldid=506135 ? |
| 04:34.00 | Adys | the page is badly fucked up |
| 04:34.34 | Montagg | Adys: In what way? |
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| 04:34.52 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Bloodhoof_Europe only me theres a huge empty space on the left? |
| 04:34.53 | Adys | I use firefox |
| 04:34.56 | Adys | 2.0 |
| 04:34.57 | Sky2042 | oh that |
| 04:35.00 | Sky2042 | yeah, i saw that... |
| 04:35.10 | Sky2042 | didn't even realize what happened :/ |
| 04:35.16 | Montagg | Ahh, I see. |
| 04:35.27 | Sky2042 | i'd go with a simple reversion :x |
| 04:35.46 | Montagg | Occured two edits ago. |
| 04:36.00 | Adys | aye on the diff link i gave |
| 04:36.34 | Montagg | Someone probably forgot to close something. |
| 04:37.10 | Montagg | There it is. |
| 04:37.18 | Montagg | Line 197 on the newest version. |
| 04:38.01 | Montagg | A closed table and then a new row. |
| 04:38.21 | Montagg | This whole page needs to get converted to divs. It's code is fugly. |
| 04:39.27 | Sky2042 | then i'd have a look at http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:_Kil'jaeden_US , as I'm fairly certain where the original code came from...\ |
| 04:39.49 | Sky2042 | lol, oops |
| 04:40.11 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Kil'jaeden_US <--- fixed link |
| 04:40.18 | Montagg | I've seen that page style before, I think on a server named after some dreadlord. |
| 04:40.41 | Sky2042 | ok, not kil'jaeden... :/ |
| 04:40.47 | Sky2042 | tichondrius |
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| 04:41.04 | Adys | Was gryphen's server Im pretty sure |
| 04:41.04 | Sky2042 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Tichondrius_US |
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| 04:41.15 | Adys | at least was him who initiated it |
| 04:41.21 | Sky2042 | ack, nvm |
| 04:41.35 | Sky2042 | but yeah, it was gryphen's server :x |
| 04:41.42 | Sky2042 | mal'ganis. thats the one |
| 04:41.45 | Adys | malganis aye |
| 04:41.50 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Server:Mal%27Ganis_US |
| 04:42.32 | Adys | love the page |
| 04:42.34 | Adys | "Goon Squad - First Horde guild to ever kill Thrall and Vol'jin" |
| 04:45.55 | Montagg | I still don't understand that one, but I'll take their word for it. |
| 04:46.10 | Adys | the Test of Lore debuff |
| 04:46.40 | Montagg | By the way, Sky2042: Was Pcbar useful at all, or did you do the redirect trick? |
| 04:49.44 | Sky2042 | I haven't even touched the page. xD |
| 04:50.40 | Sky2042 | started to tinker with my server's progression page, using the stuff at mal'ganis...and now it has the same problem |
| 04:50.47 | Sky2042 | ah well, i'll go looking for it |
| 04:52.17 | Montagg | I would advise against ultra haughty stuff like Mal'Ganis style for server page. I'd embrace the wiki style rather than try to overdo it. |
| 04:52.31 | Montagg | Looks amazing, but it's almost /too/ much. |
| 04:53.17 | Sky2042 | just borrowing the progression part of it |
| 04:53.24 | Sky2042 | the rest -is- too much |
| 04:53.41 | Sky2042 | and even though it would be nice to have all that pretty, I'll stick with how the server is atm |
| 04:53.45 | Sky2042 | page* |
| 05:17.03 | Sky2042 | hmmm |
| 05:18.44 | Sky2042 | finally fixed it (partially) for my page... :x |
| 05:23.41 | Sky2042 | i give in |
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| 05:56.40 | Sky2042 | question about reverts |
| 05:57.05 | Sky2042 | how do you get the text in the reason for editing box that says, eg, "Reverted edits by Doom lord kazzak (Talk); changed back to last version by Sky2042" |
| 05:57.06 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 06:03.04 | Sky2042 | :( |
| 06:03.19 | Cairenn | sec *goes to check* |
| 06:03.43 | Sky2042 | btw, ogre is back |
| 06:03.45 | Sky2042 | :] |
| 06:03.46 | Adys | need to be admin to revert like that sky |
| 06:03.53 | Adys | its a rollback link |
| 06:04.10 | Adys | for easy massreverts when vandals are being annoying |
| 06:04.17 | Sky2042 | :[. |
| 06:04.28 | Sky2042 | that makes me sad |
| 06:06.56 | Adys | aye |
| 06:06.58 | Cairenn | and I'm not an admin |
| 06:07.05 | Adys | but you are not able to rollback changes massively |
| 06:07.15 | Adys | it puts a note automatically |
| 06:07.21 | Cairenn | ah,. okay |
| 06:07.45 | Adys | Reverted edits by [[User:Vandal|Vandal]], rolled back to last version by [[User:Wikian|Wikian]] |
| 06:07.52 | Adys | Actually no |
| 06:08.09 | Adys | Reverted edits by [[Special:Contributions/Vandal|Vandal]], rolled back to last version by [[User:Wikian|Wikian]] |
| 06:08.18 | Sky2042 | and there goes the server :x |
| 06:08.27 | Adys | Yeah sorry for that |
| 06:08.32 | Adys | edited Raid Dungeons template |
| 06:08.39 | Sky2042 | bad adys! |
| 06:08.48 | Adys | tis back |
| 06:08.59 | Sky2042 | yeh |
| 06:09.06 | Adys | its linked in what, 30 articles |
| 06:09.16 | Sky2042 | =x |
| 06:09.17 | Adys | and it puts the wiki down for 1 minute :/ |
| 06:09.19 | Sky2042 | more, i think |
| 06:09.24 | Adys | No |
| 06:09.30 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Template%3ARaid_Dungeons |
| 06:09.50 | Adys | 34 inclusions 1 link |
| 06:09.56 | Sky2042 | lookz to be... ah nvm |
| 06:09.58 | Sky2042 | -_- |
| 06:10.00 | Adys | lol |
| 06:10.10 | Sky2042 | are you just a fast counter, or...? |
| 06:10.13 | Adys | yes |
| 06:10.21 | Sky2042 | :/ |
| 06:10.49 | Adys | and yeah i think it sucks aswell that theres not a summary of link numbers up somewhere |
| 06:11.30 | Fin | bon matin! |
| 06:11.39 | Fin | keeeeerist this is early to be WAKING up |
| 06:11.48 | Adys | wooo |
| 06:11.50 | Adys | fin :D |
| 06:12.03 | Fin | 'ella :) |
| 06:12.04 | Adys | are you working today?! its 7am! :) |
| 06:12.13 | Fin | got some training this morning |
| 06:12.17 | Adys | and be glad, I woke up at like 5am |
| 06:12.17 | Fin | and tomorrow morning! |
| 06:13.22 | Fin | nope... no, I'm sorry, I just can't seem to summon up any "glad" |
| 06:13.30 | Fin | it's still far too fucking early |
| 06:13.34 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 06:13.34 | Adys | haha |
| 06:13.39 | Adys | infobot, hug fin |
| 06:13.47 | infobot | ACTION gets a running start and tackle-hugs fin |
| 06:13.51 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 06:14.01 | Fin | right! shower and shazoom, I'm off |
| 06:14.05 | Fin | byeee |
| 06:14.09 | Adys | bubai :) |
| 06:14.12 | Adys | ~beer |
| 06:14.13 | infobot | ACTION has disconnected (Read error: 99 (Connection reset by beer)) |
| 06:14.15 | Sky2042 | eh, you are weak! you know not the swimmer's life :x |
| 06:21.54 | Adys | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hr3tsMCrQgo im seeing this over and over again |
| 06:21.56 | Adys | i love this |
| 06:25.11 | Fin | shazoom |
| 06:25.14 | Adys | pew |
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| 06:31.38 | Montagg | For me it's *late* so I'm going to bed. 'nite fellas. |
| 06:33.50 | Sky2042 | lol nite |
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| 06:38.38 | Adys | nn montag |
| 06:40.18 | Sky2042 | can someone check http://www.wowwiki.com/Burning_Soul and tell me why I can't figure out how to fix the table; I used the Ability boilerplate for it... |
| 06:40.46 | Adys | sorry, i suck with tables and styling |
| 06:43.03 | Sky2042 | xP |
| 06:44.00 | Sky2042 | nvm, im just blind :] |
| 06:44.20 | Sky2042 | however, do you think the titles of the table could be changed? :/ |
| 06:44.51 | Adys | no idea :p |
| 06:45.33 | Sky2042 | damn frechies |
| 06:45.36 | Sky2042 | frenchies* |
| 06:45.39 | Sky2042 | xD |
| 06:45.40 | Adys | :P |
| 06:50.12 | Sky2042 | aaaaaaaa i clicked theeeeeeeere |
| 06:50.16 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 06:52.30 | Sky2042 | why aren't we adding general item ideas anymore? :/ |
| 06:52.46 | Sky2042 | you just 'boilerplated' and removed the whole "intro" to the item |
| 06:52.57 | Sky2042 | to Gloves of Spell Master |
| 06:52.59 | Sky2042 | y |
| 06:54.18 | amro | because 95% of items don't need intros |
| 06:58.12 | Adys | what amro said |
| 06:58.37 | Adys | Sometimes its just to say "Hey this cloth item with 10 int and 10 spirit is mainly for casters." |
| 06:59.12 | Adys | became ridiculous at some point - important infos should go in == Notes == |
| 06:59.54 | Sky2042 | And then the article looks empty. :/ |
| 07:00.25 | Adys | we are revamping that atm |
| 07:00.44 | Adys | when the server gets its upgrade and we get the parser functions there will be huge changes to item pages |
| 07:02.05 | Sky2042 | ah... the upgrade that was supposed to be here sunday? ;p |
| 07:02.28 | Sky2042 | is it a hardware or software upgrade? |
| 07:03.19 | Adys | both i think |
| 07:03.44 | Sky2042 | ah... incoming template edit :x |
| 07:03.49 | Sky2042 | i think... |
| 07:03.56 | Adys | waaiiiittt |
| 07:04.01 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:04.09 | Adys | k go ahead :P |
| 07:04.40 | Sky2042 | k, done |
| 07:04.52 | Sky2042 | and our server didnt die... |
| 07:04.55 | Sky2042 | :/ |
| 07:04.59 | Adys | yet |
| 07:05.08 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:05.39 | Sky2042 | still looks good to me... |
| 07:05.40 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 07:06.22 | Sky2042 | it isn't just the templates... there's something else going on here too that's killing the server... |
| 07:06.32 | Sky2042 | else the site would've just shut down |
| 07:07.27 | Adys | Template:Player is not really that used |
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| 07:08.17 | Sky2042 | more than the dungeons template you edited earlier |
| 07:08.20 | Sky2042 | :/ |
| 07:10.47 | Adys | christ im the only one checking speedydelete and delete categories nowadays >< |
| 07:10.47 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Log/delete |
| 07:11.34 | Sky2042 | you could make me an admin... XP |
| 07:11.42 | Adys | nope i cant :p |
| 07:11.45 | Adys | beg fandy |
| 07:11.46 | Sky2042 | oh. |
| 07:11.47 | Sky2042 | darn |
| 07:11.49 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:12.07 | Sky2042 | i'm just sure he'll jump at the chance =X |
| 07:16.12 | Sky2042 | mmm, adding some more {{speedydelete}} fun |
| 07:16.38 | Adys | here goes the wiki |
| 07:17.36 | Sky2042 | whatd u edit? |
| 07:18.42 | Adys | no idea |
| 07:18.50 | Sky2042 | yup |
| 07:18.55 | Sky2042 | ugh |
| 07:18.57 | Sky2042 | nope, its good |
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| 07:24.29 | Sky2042 | my god adys |
| 07:24.33 | Adys | sup |
| 07:24.34 | Sky2042 | deletemoreplzkthx |
| 07:24.45 | Adys | cant |
| 07:24.58 | Sky2042 | yes you can! |
| 07:25.00 | Sky2042 | :o |
| 07:25.42 | Adys | I just broke my delete button |
| 07:26.01 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:32.45 | Sky2042 | bastard |
| 07:33.09 | Sky2042 | that was mine to tag with a speedy |
| 07:33.11 | Sky2042 | >:( |
| 07:33.38 | Adys | pwnd |
| 07:35.17 | Sky2042 | pft |
| 07:37.30 | Sky2042 | hmm, ogre is spreading his gospel. http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Chris_Metzen has to be the third or fourth place he's put that on... |
| 07:39.24 | bleetah | "and Diablo II's story was larger Bill Roper's" ? maybe should be 'largely'? |
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| 07:41.11 | Sky2042 | prolly ;p |
| 07:42.21 | bleetah | of course, it could be that Bill Roper is a XXXL wearing type of guy, I have no idea on that score |
| 07:42.23 | Sky2042 | lol! |
| 07:42.38 | bleetah | and there was also a guy at BLizz at the time whose name was Bill Roper, and he wore the XXXXS |
| 07:42.52 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Angry_ogre#Trolling |
| 07:42.53 | bleetah | I'll go with the first theory, that it's a typo |
| 07:43.06 | Adys | im seriously fed up of hearing about ogre in this channel |
| 07:43.33 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 07:44.08 | Sky2042 | go go adys! |
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| 07:55.38 | Sky2042 | weeeeeeeee |
| 07:55.45 | Sky2042 | you edit a template, any of ye? |
| 07:56.02 | Adys | Tekkub, you here? |
| 07:57.09 | Sky2042 | mmm.. |
| 08:01.51 | Sky2042 | wtf was edited? >:( |
| 08:02.01 | Adys | No idea |
| 08:02.56 | Sky2042 | oh well, theres always smash world and warcraftrealms forums to peruse, not to mention the wow forums... |
| 08:02.58 | Sky2042 | >_> |
| 08:05.42 | Sky2042 | its back |
| 08:14.26 | Sky2042 | lol adys' |
| 08:14.28 | Sky2042 | you amuse me |
| 08:14.46 | Adys | Useless redirects ftl |
| 08:15.02 | Sky2042 | and now i'm adding another redirect ;P |
| 08:15.10 | Adys | ah sod off>< |
| 08:15.13 | Adys | jk |
| 08:17.09 | Sky2042 | go ahead and delete [[Serris Shatterstar]] |
| 08:18.02 | Adys | nah its still linked and i cba to fix them |
| 08:18.14 | Sky2042 | pretty sure its not linked anymore... |
| 08:18.16 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 08:18.21 | Adys | 2 links left :P |
| 08:18.43 | Sky2042 | refresh your cache then |
| 08:18.46 | Sky2042 | i deleted both of them |
| 08:18.48 | Sky2042 | :x |
| 08:18.57 | Sky2042 | or edited them, if you will |
| 08:20.21 | Sky2042 | where have i seen that word before... |
| 08:22.08 | Sky2042 | nothing links there, i'm serious |
| 08:22.19 | Sky2042 | you need to refresh your browser or somethin :/ |
| 08:22.31 | Adys | ill check it up in a bit :p |
| 08:22.41 | Sky2042 | pft |
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| 08:41.29 | Sky2042 | ... |
| 08:41.38 | Sky2042 | o_O |
| 08:43.38 | Adys | hm? |
| 08:45.58 | Sky2042 | nada |
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| 09:05.20 | Sky2042 | uh |
| 09:05.22 | Sky2042 | lol |
| 09:24.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Netsplits ftw, and good morning |
| 09:25.26 | Sky2042 | morning |
| 09:27.07 | Sky2042 | or evening; I'm going to bed now |
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| 10:09.03 | Kirkburn|afk | I must say, it's amazing how many self-righteous idiots there are out there |
| 10:10.02 | Kirkburn|afk | That Stardock would dare charge people for a high-quality animated Vista desktop has really brought out the brainless today :/ |
| 10:10.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Ho hum |
| 10:11.21 | Kirkburn|afk | (this is what I'm referring to - http://forums.wincustomize.com/?aid=144878) |
| 10:13.05 | zeal | adys wtf have you been doing!? |
| 10:15.51 | Zeal | lo all btw |
| 10:16.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Heya |
| 10:16.16 | Kirkburn|afk | And wassup? |
| 10:16.45 | Zeal | Adys, making changes to templates, no discussion or reason given to the changes. |
| 10:17.06 | Zeal | and from what i can see, all of them were either uneccesary or detrimental to their use. |
| 10:18.46 | Zeal | and i'm waiting on what this "see IRC" is supposed to be as to while adys has not been waiting for the outcome of the elinks vote and changing articles already. |
| 10:18.54 | Zeal | *as to why |
| 10:19.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Disconnects ftw |
| 10:19.43 | Kirkburn|afk | I doubt Adys got your msg |
| 10:20.29 | Zeal | not bothered, i'll repeat it when hes alive again |
| 10:20.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right, I think he's trying to reduce the calls on templates |
| 10:22.02 | Kirkburn|afk | It was only two templates :P |
| 10:23.06 | Zeal | yes.. removing the category for delete vote, removing my template category, removing authorship, substing a template (so now the template is seperate and i have to edit two templates that have the exact same format and function), removing parts of a template he didn't undrstand.. yeah sure. |
| 10:24.05 | Zeal | theres a reason why even wikipedia uses recursive templates that share the same functionality.. |
| 10:24.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, yes, I know |
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| 10:25.44 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't like your template category tbh |
| 10:26.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Since when did you write the majority of that template? |
| 10:26.34 | Zeal | i didn't never claimed i did |
| 10:26.50 | Kirkburn|afk | No, but that's the impression it gives |
| 10:27.13 | Zeal | and the discussion over the validity of it in the village pump archives rather than repeating myself |
| 10:27.33 | Zeal | yeah, simply because no one else botheres to do it. doesn't make it any less valid. |
| 10:27.43 | Zeal | the authorship clears it up anyways. |
| 10:28.24 | Zeal | lol@angry ogre again |
| 10:28.40 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm specifically talking about the category, not the authorship bit :) |
| 10:29.10 | Zeal | yes, it was discussed along side it |
| 10:29.20 | Zeal | but they do balance each other anyways. |
| 10:31.18 | Adys | oi dont throw pages at me meanie |
| 10:34.18 | Zeal | "i didn't never claimed i did" <-- wtf am i smoking there? :S |
| 10:35.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Grammar ftw :P |
| 10:38.33 | Adys | Back n sorted :P |
| 10:39.07 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: I had to delete during the night a batch of Server talk redirects since they were server disambigs |
| 10:39.15 | Adys | we really need to sort these articles |
| 10:39.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I think I saw that convo briefly |
| 10:43.44 | Zeal | hm? |
| 10:45.02 | Zeal | i finished my movie btw.. i'm still messing with encoding though to get the right quality and filze size.. it becoems shit if i reduce it below about 60mb though, which is ridiculous for an under 4 min video.. |
| 10:46.20 | Zeal | and reducing the film resolution by half onyl drops like 5MB.. it makes no sense.. |
| 10:47.35 | Adys | http://www.bash.org/?367808 <3 |
| 10:48.36 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:49.58 | Adys | reading the quotes around, loving it |
| 10:50.03 | Adys | <malaclypse> The general rule on about people on IRC seems to be "Attractive, single, mentally stable: choose two" |
| 10:50.39 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:51.39 | Zeal | guess i must be single and mentally stable :p |
| 10:52.03 | Adys | :P |
| 10:52.11 | Adys | No to mentally stable tbh :P |
| 10:53.52 | Zeal | saying i'm attractive? ;) |
| 10:54.04 | Adys | More than mentally stable for sure :P |
| 10:56.18 | Zeal | 46.7MB zipped at half size and lowest quality ('m willing to go) |
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| 11:00.39 | Adys | this one is just great http://www.bash.org/?414593 |
| 11:02.12 | Zeal | lol adys |
| 11:03.24 | Adys | http://www.bash.org/?457037 :p |
| 11:04.02 | Zeal | i've only ever had 1 femalre friend i wasn't interested in, lol. but the others knew i was, but they wre involved already :p |
| 11:06.09 | Adys | <1> please tell me if there's any way to check if a table exist in mysql database |
| 11:06.09 | Adys | <2> if (mysql_query('DROP TABLE table_name')) echo "table existed"; |
| 11:06.11 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:06.29 | Zeal | nice |
| 11:11.25 | Zeal | hm.. full size, low quality 76MB zipped |
| 11:15.21 | Adys | morning infobot |
| 11:26.52 | Zeal | fuc off svchost!! |
| 11:26.52 | Zeal | grr |
| 11:29.42 | Zeal | 118MB zipped, full size, high quality : / |
| 11:31.00 | Adys | I say morning to infobot and you say fuck off to svchost |
| 11:31.02 | Adys | brother! |
| 11:31.28 | Zeal | :S |
| 11:31.33 | Zeal | bruvva! |
| 11:31.46 | Zeal | innit blud |
| 11:31.49 | Zeal | >_> |
| 11:37.14 | Zeal | 64.8mb, half size, high quality, zipped |
| 11:37.40 | Zeal | i really can't recommend the small low quality one, heh. |
| 11:38.58 | Zeal | imma try dropping the fps to 25, see if i can shave off some mb's |
| 11:39.10 | Adys | what kind of movie is it anyways :p |
| 11:39.16 | Zeal | warcraft music video |
| 11:39.53 | Zeal | done to Within Tempation - Towards the End, using wc3 and wow cinematics footage |
| 11:40.01 | Zeal | *-footage |
| 11:43.45 | Zeal | this probably won't be final anyways.. i expect constructive criticism :p |
| 11:44.01 | Zeal | already a few things i would change if people don't like them |
| 11:47.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, I bring my Vista PC out of sleep mode, and it shuts down on me :P Yay for delayed shut downs! |
| 11:47.26 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:49.56 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm sure XP was like this when it came out ... c'mon driver people, hurry up! |
| 11:50.24 | bleetah | iirc, only to people coming from 98/ME |
| 11:50.34 | bleetah | I went to XP from 2000, didn't have any driver problems I can recall |
| 11:50.58 | bleetah | but I could be compeltely wrong, seeing it's been aoubt.. 6 years since I 'really' used windows |
| 11:51.27 | Kirkburn|afk | heh ... I mostly put it down to the sounds and gfx drivers atm |
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| 11:51.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Creative's still aren't out of beta, and nVidia ... well, I can't think of appropriate words for them atm |
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| 11:52.50 | bleetah | yeah, well some vendors weren't too thrilled with the supposed H/W changes needed, so I really dunno.. *shrug* |
| 11:53.21 | bleetah | but I bet it's the reason there ain't been a new linux driver for a couple of months |
| 11:53.46 | Zeal | i don't see why nvidia wouldn't be happy about the hardware changes |
| 11:53.52 | Zeal | it boosts their sales |
| 11:53.53 | Zeal | lol |
| 11:54.16 | Kirkburn|afk | I know the changes effectively prevent EAX for Creative |
| 11:54.37 | Zeal | O_o |
| 11:54.41 | bleetah | yeah, well I guess it really comes down to how much re-jigging of stuff under the hood's required |
| 11:55.06 | Zeal | 27 mins for the upload |
| 11:55.10 | bleetah | and then the whole testing, and heaven forbid if there's something wrong in the circuitry, etc. etc. |
| 11:55.14 | Zeal | uploading the small high quality version |
| 11:55.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, QA is longer than most realise |
| 11:55.50 | Zeal | aye |
| 11:55.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, did you mean an nVidia linux driver? |
| 11:55.57 | bleetah | yeah |
| 11:56.11 | bleetah | i presume they try to keep some kinda parity in capabilities, etc. in some areas |
| 11:56.26 | bleetah | i mean, there was a release in January, but that would've already been a month or so old ;) |
| 11:56.42 | Zeal | 50 KB/s up, nice.. |
| 11:56.44 | Kirkburn|afk | nV's releases are sporadic at best |
| 11:56.51 | Zeal | didn't know i could go that high |
| 11:57.05 | Kirkburn|afk | They've said they're gonna try to do monthly releases like ATi in future at least |
| 11:57.30 | Kirkburn|afk | What connection do you have Zeal? |
| 11:58.10 | Zeal | bt, 8 meg |
| 11:58.22 | Zeal | dunno what my up is |
| 11:58.34 | Zeal | 512? :s |
| 11:59.20 | Kirkburn|afk | That would be likely |
| 11:59.49 | Kirkburn|afk | So apprently nV have just released the 100.65 drivers officially. |
| 12:00.00 | Kirkburn|afk | These being the same drivers that fail for me about 10 times a day. |
| 12:00.15 | Zeal | i've nevr come close to reaching 512 kbps though |
| 12:00.24 | Zeal | and never even reached 6mbps |
| 12:01.31 | Kirkburn|afk | I wouldn't expect much more then 500KB/s on any line |
| 12:02.02 | Kirkburn|afk | (kB not kb, I guess should clarify) |
| 12:02.19 | Kirkburn|afk | (really, why did they call them bits and bytes?! WHY??) |
| 12:03.18 | Kirkburn|afk | 50KB/s up is about right for a 512 upline, 500KB/s down is about right for an 8MB downline |
| 12:04.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Varies, since some compression is possible on some transfers |
| 12:04.51 | Kirkburn|afk | So ends today's ramblings |
| 12:05.33 | Zeal | 500KB/s on 8mb? |
| 12:05.36 | Zeal | that's way off |
| 12:06.51 | Zeal | 8Mb/s being a theoretical limit of 1024 KB/s, you should be looking at atleast 800 KB/s |
| 12:07.18 | Zeal | but naturally, i'm not getting that. |
| 12:07.53 | Zeal | 2048 KB/s limit for sky, heh. |
| 12:08.11 | Zeal | but sadly, i can't switch cos i'm sitll on contract with bt.. |
| 12:08.43 | Kirkburn|afk | It's not BT's fault |
| 12:08.51 | Zeal | avrg upload is 35 KB/s : / |
| 12:08.54 | Zeal | oh? |
| 12:08.54 | Kirkburn|afk | It's just a physical restriction of the lines and the internet |
| 12:09.08 | Zeal | no.. |
| 12:09.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I guess you could put it down to BT in a way |
| 12:09.23 | Kirkburn|afk | They just need to upgrade more lines |
| 12:09.45 | Zeal | the lines have nothing to do with it. they don't offer what they can't support. they actually said, my line only supports up to 6.5 Mb/s |
| 12:10.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, the lines have something to do with it |
| 12:10.39 | Kirkburn|afk | As does distance from exchange, line clarity, etc |
| 12:11.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Even if you switched to another supplier, you wouldn't get much higher speeds |
| 12:11.10 | Zeal | no, i'm saying the line speeds have nothing to do with it, because they tell you the line limit |
| 12:11.19 | Kirkburn|afk | That line limit is only an estimate |
| 12:11.33 | Zeal | it's still what they are saying |
| 12:11.42 | Kirkburn|afk | The estimate for my line at home is only about 1MB, when I get speeds for a 3MB line |
| 12:11.51 | Zeal | therefore, nothing to do with it. |
| 12:12.08 | Zeal | thne the person who gave you the estimate is a fool? |
| 12:12.28 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a computer calculated number online |
| 12:12.39 | Kirkburn|afk | My point is, you cannot obtain 8MB on a UK line atm without being in a special area, such as central London |
| 12:12.53 | Zeal | bt make it clear, although you may pay for 8mb, it will onyl support up to the line limit, but 8mb is only available to those who have a line limit above 2mb. |
| 12:13.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes. I'm not sure what we're arguing here. |
| 12:13.46 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm saying that even if you change supplier, it won't help. |
| 12:14.19 | Zeal | saying that the line limit has no impact on what speed you get within your limit, only the limit. |
| 12:14.24 | amro | Kirkburn|afk: it might. it could be because of the supplier |
| 12:14.44 | Zeal | well sky for one are using their own backbone. |
| 12:14.52 | Zeal | so i do wonder |
| 12:15.11 | Zeal | and i will see what sky say about line limit. |
| 12:15.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, if you change to a cable supplier, then that's a different line |
| 12:15.22 | Zeal | lol |
| 12:15.24 | Zeal | ofc |
| 12:15.30 | Zeal | not evne the same technology :p |
| 12:15.42 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm saying all home phone lines just won't get near 8MB for a while :P |
| 12:16.00 | Kirkburn|afk | (*most) |
| 12:16.24 | Zeal | anyways.. i'm saving money with sky, loosing my limits, and getting double my theorectical limit, so i'm eager to switch. |
| 12:16.38 | Zeal | *usage limits |
| 12:16.41 | Kirkburn|afk | How does Sky broadband work, anyway? |
| 12:16.51 | Kirkburn|afk | They're not a cable company (obviously :P ) |
| 12:16.55 | Zeal | dsl |
| 12:17.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Surely that's still "BT" lines? |
| 12:17.15 | Zeal | aye |
| 12:17.36 | Zeal | but if they are able to upgrade them themselves is another matter. |
| 12:17.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, I don't think it'll help then, depending on your location |
| 12:18.07 | Kirkburn|afk | You'd really have to be in the centre of a city to get the benefit iirc |
| 12:18.32 | Zeal | and seeing as there was the whole issue with bt not allowing people acess to do so, got fined and forced to change that (though it's taken them about 8 years..).. it's possible. |
| 12:18.41 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 12:18.45 | Zeal | *allowing other companies |
| 12:20.03 | Zeal | most isp's are simply bt resellers. only a few aren't. |
| 12:20.16 | Zeal | and as far as i can tell, sky isnt. |
| 12:21.48 | Zeal | apprently, sky says 16Mb is availalbe in my area anyways. |
| 12:21.59 | Zeal | but that's as likely as bt saying 8Mb was.. |
| 12:22.21 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/designs/Warcraft%20-%20Towards%20the%20End%20(Small%20-%20High%20Quality).zip |
| 12:22.34 | Zeal | let me know what ya think :p |
| 12:24.49 | Zeal | http://www.the-scream.co.uk/forums/t22737.html lol (relevent to sky bb) |
| 12:25.32 | Kirkburn|afk | 16MB, hah! :P |
| 12:26.22 | Kirkburn|afk | "while it waits for Microsoft to upgrade its protection against the hacking software FairUse4WM, which allows users to pirate content." |
| 12:26.22 | Zeal | "Earlier this week Sky suspended its film download service" nice of them to tell me.. no wonder it wouldn't work for me.. |
| 12:26.38 | Kirkburn|afk | That bit I quoted ... wtf? |
| 12:26.41 | Zeal | tbh, i'm pissed off at the pirates |
| 12:27.06 | Kirkburn|afk | What's MS got to do with it? |
| 12:27.26 | Zeal | bt customers get free downloadable content on their pc which can't be shared, but no time limits.. i mean wtf, how fairer do you want them to be.. |
| 12:27.42 | Zeal | they use microsoft based drm |
| 12:27.55 | Zeal | which has been circumvented yet again |
| 12:32.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Just spent a few mins looking up stuff on the net |
| 12:33.02 | amro | see, this is why DRM is bad. The paying customers get fucked over the most |
| 12:33.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Aye, there are some absolutely stupid DRM-type restrictions out there |
| 12:35.15 | Zeal | amro. sky, are offering their tv customers, complete series events and such for download for free with drm. i think that's completely fair tbh. |
| 12:35.32 | Kirkburn|afk | "A recent Gallup poll reveals that Americans are much more likely to elect a black man or a woman president than a Mormon or an old man." |
| 12:35.34 | Zeal | *series, events |
| 12:35.44 | amro | yeah, but they suspended the service, rights? |
| 12:35.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Note that last bit "... an old man." |
| 12:35.50 | amro | right* |
| 12:35.59 | Zeal | the stuff you have should still be usuable afaik |
| 12:36.25 | Zeal | it jsut means you can't access the service to get new content now |
| 12:37.22 | amro | still, customers are inconvenienced |
| 12:37.34 | amro | while pirates can get what they want off bittorrent anyway |
| 12:39.07 | amro | there are thousands of illegal copies of windows XP for example, and yet I wasn't able to install my legit copy of windows on the laptop it came bundled with =( |
| 12:40.06 | Zeal | it's not drm's fault, it's pirates fault is what i'm saying |
| 12:40.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, Mac v PC circa 1996 - http://www.scootinger.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/1996-macaddict-mac-vs-pc.jpg |
| 12:40.37 | Zeal | there are types of drm i'm completely opposed to, mainly because they have a time limit and require constant liscene checks. |
| 12:44.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Y'know it's amazing how political Digg and such sites are. I just noticed someone who commented saying they wanted Obama to win the US election had his comment (and informative link) buried - evidently because others disagree with him. Yay for democracy :/ |
| 12:44.56 | Zeal | as i though. sky is using EasyNet, not bt. |
| 12:45.06 | Kirkburn|afk | EasyNet? Don't know them |
| 12:45.19 | Zeal | neither did i until just now :P |
| 12:47.18 | Zeal | so yeah.. same line, but everything after that is EasyNet, not BT. |
| 12:49.05 | Zeal | probably best i can't switch yet it seems :P |
| 12:56.41 | amro | Zeal: the pirates aren't the ones stopping me from installing windows. in fact, i can get a free copy of windows from them. its the DRM's fault for being so restrictive |
| 12:57.07 | Zeal | but in this case amro, the drm was fairly restrictive |
| 12:57.12 | Zeal | there was no reason to do |
| 12:57.15 | Zeal | *do it |
| 12:57.22 | Zeal | so yes, it's their fault |
| 12:57.55 | Zeal | as to your xp, dunno whats going on there, but that shouldn't happen |
| 12:58.35 | amro | it wasn't the first time DRM bit me in the ass, but I made sure it was the last |
| 12:58.36 | Zeal | circumventing the drm in that case, was justified. |
| 12:58.55 | amro | circumventing how? |
| 12:59.00 | Zeal | http://www.samknows.com/broadband/exchange.php?ecode=LWASH |
| 12:59.23 | Zeal | irrelevent, and you implied you had |
| 13:00.02 | amro | relevant because you implied i can and am allowed to circumvent it, and i avoided all this crap by switching to linux |
| 13:00.21 | Zeal | mmm.. i live fairly close to me exchange, hehe. |
| 13:00.40 | Zeal | i've not done it myself, so i can't say |
| 13:00.59 | Zeal | but plenty of people circumvent xp jsut to pirate it (which is not justified) |
| 13:01.40 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk: ! |
| 13:02.03 | amro | right, but if the DRM is too restrictive, its still not the pirate's fault. In fact, the pirate is largely unaffected. DRM mostly affects legit users because pirates will find other ways. DRM only means something will take longer to pirate. |
| 13:02.04 | Zeal | justified, i mean in my view, you legally should be allowed to circumvent a bug in drm to allow you to have acesses to what you've payed for. and further to add to that, what i view as immorally wrong drm. |
| 13:02.54 | amro | right but how would i do it in the situation I mentioned? installing an illegal copy is not a solution |
| 13:03.07 | Zeal | it's the only solution |
| 13:03.29 | amro | no. i dont get updates and I don't get windows "genuine advantage" |
| 13:03.36 | Zeal | i'm saying rolling out such drm and liscences should be illegal and give you a legal clause to do so. |
| 13:03.42 | amro | i paid for it, i can get the illegal one for free |
| 13:03.55 | amro | right, but they dont |
| 13:04.06 | Zeal | aye |
| 13:04.07 | amro | until they do, DRM is evil |
| 13:04.14 | Zeal | thats a case of bad drm |
| 13:04.38 | Zeal | my example was good drm, being circumvented for no justified reason, thus that was the pirates fault. |
| 13:04.53 | Zeal | it's a service i get for free |
| 13:04.59 | Zeal | so i'm not loosing out. |
| 13:05.00 | amro | FairUse4WM was not because of Sky, was it? |
| 13:05.08 | Zeal | probably not |
| 13:05.17 | Zeal | but if it's the same drm implementation |
| 13:05.21 | Zeal | then it's still wrong |
| 13:05.54 | Zeal | theres pirates with morals, and then theres pirates who jsut want everything for nothing.. |
| 13:06.09 | dok3Dal | Question, on all the Karazhan boss page (http://www.wowwiki.com/Netherspite for exemple), someone added "You can also visit this thread: http://nordrassor.freehostia.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=636 for in depth strategies on this boss and others in Karazhan. It will be updated frequently with videos of the encounter from different perspectives such as tank and healer." |
| 13:06.18 | amro | zeal, you're wrong. for example where i live, there's no way to buy legit copies of software |
| 13:06.20 | dok3Dal | Is this compliant with the wiki rules? |
| 13:06.29 | Zeal | no |
| 13:06.40 | Zeal | wtf amro |
| 13:06.49 | Zeal | that would be the former |
| 13:07.01 | Zeal | i'm not wrong, you're just arguing a case i'm not even talking about |
| 13:07.05 | dok3Dal | <FrN~Zeal> no << this is for me? |
| 13:07.14 | Kirkburn|afk | dok3Dal, you talk! :D I just thought you disconnected and reconnected all day :P |
| 13:07.18 | amro | yeah im talking about something else now, about your last comment |
| 13:07.22 | Kirkburn|afk | It should be a simple link under See Also |
| 13:07.22 | Zeal | FrN~ ? :s and yes, dok3Dal, for you ;) |
| 13:07.25 | amro | "theres pirates who jsut want everything for nothing.." |
| 13:07.40 | dok3Dal | my bouncer sucks since 2 -3 weeks : |
| 13:07.41 | dok3Dal | :/ |
| 13:07.48 | Zeal | which given what you just said, does not apply. those would be the former. |
| 13:07.55 | dok3Dal | and yes I "can" talk :p |
| 13:07.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, it kept the channel going in the quiet times, dok3Dal ;) |
| 13:08.16 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 13:08.30 | amro | oh i see what you mean now, my bad. but FairUse4WM would still fall into this category for some people i think |
| 13:08.32 | dok3Dal | Zeal, FrN for FreeNode, prefix for this network on my bouncer |
| 13:09.10 | Zeal | FairUse4WM, i haven't looked into. i suspect it was a general attack agaisnt all implementations of DRM, which i'm ooposed to. |
| 13:09.20 | Zeal | ah, kk dok3Dal, makes sense :P |
| 13:09.44 | Zeal | but hell, i want copyright laws to change |
| 13:10.05 | Zeal | not create new laws surrounding drm. |
| 13:10.39 | amro | Zeal, if i remember correctly FU4WM has been around for at least 6 months (or an earlier incarnation) and the premise back then was to be able to use your videos on multiple computers |
| 13:11.17 | Zeal | and how did they go about it amro? |
| 13:11.28 | amro | of course there are people who will use it maliciously, but that doesn't make the author bad |
| 13:11.31 | amro | go about what? |
| 13:11.51 | Zeal | it makes them irresponsable, so bad in my eyes. |
| 13:12.00 | Zeal | go about acting on that premise. |
| 13:12.33 | amro | im not sure what you mean |
| 13:12.37 | amro | brb |
| 13:13.22 | Zeal | well did they circumvent all implementations of drm, or only target certain ones? |
| 13:15.56 | amro | FU4WM was targetted at WMV. I don't know of any other video encryption algorithms widely used on PCs, but there are plenty of people pirating satellite feeds |
| 13:17.45 | amro | zeal, from what i understand, sky was providing digital versions of stuff you get on your TV through them, right? |
| 13:17.47 | Zeal | typical drm implementation i'd be ok with is, is one where i can purchase a life time liscence that can be transfered throughan activation.deactivation method on a per computer basis, and also have the ability to purcahse a fair use liscence under the agreement it will be used in accordance with fair use and publishable under my own drm implementation. |
| 13:18.05 | Zeal | yes amro |
| 13:18.32 | amro | so then you could just record it with a VCR or something else. if someone wants to pirate those videos, they will |
| 13:18.58 | amro | however, im sure you have no intent of pirating, and yet you cant download them right now. DRM only hurts the good guys |
| 13:19.33 | Zeal | DVR/PVR, yeah you could theoretically. though i've nevr looekd to see if whats saved on a DVR/PVR has drm itself. |
| 13:19.43 | Zeal | the pirates hurt me ;) |
| 13:20.03 | Zeal | WMV DRM is sound for the most part, it's the implementation that isn't. |
| 13:20.04 | amro | nope the DRM hurts you. DRM or not, pirates will still be here. But with DRM you have to pay the price. |
| 13:20.31 | Zeal | nah, cos the drm is just in this case. |
| 13:21.08 | Zeal | i'm happy with it, i don't mind it. i do mind people who do mind it :p |
| 13:21.09 | amro | i dont mind the DRM on the content they provide. however, this content could have been gained anyway, so if they remove the downloads that's not fair |
| 13:21.42 | Zeal | if the content could have been gained anyways, there was no reason for the pirates to do it |
| 13:21.47 | Zeal | thus, its the pirates fault. |
| 13:21.53 | amro | i never said providing the encrypted videos was bad- just the fact thet they removed them because of FairUse4WM |
| 13:22.30 | amro | Zeal: the pirates will do it REGARDLESS of DRM. Meaning the DRM isn't even doing what its supposed to do (stop pirates) but still hurts legit customers. |
| 13:22.30 | Zeal | it's the fact they couldn't, and actually shouldn't, that pissed me off. |
| 13:22.52 | Zeal | it makes it harder amro, time is always the greatest test. |
| 13:23.36 | amro | harder, but still feasible, and pirates WILL do it. the only one that's hurt when all is said and done is the occasional legit user who doesn't do exactly what the DRM maker expects |
| 13:23.45 | Zeal | it hinders them, but when they succed, it hurts me. fair imo, and i only blame them for even trying. |
| 13:24.37 | Zeal | wel that's the fault of the drm implementation ammro, in which case if it's legit use, i think he should be able to. |
| 13:25.12 | amro | exactly. the DRM implementation hurts the legit user. Its not the attempt to protect digital property that's wrong, its the way they do it |
| 13:25.48 | Zeal | this world needs more basic laws... atm they're all far too specific, and ultimately that means more laws need to be made, and until they are, you get crap like WoW's ToU and gold selling, DRM, pirates etc.. |
| 13:26.19 | Zeal | amro, any implementation, when circumvented, is gunna hurt the user. |
| 13:28.43 | Zeal | that's why i blame those who try to circumvent it, even when there is no need to. |
| 13:28.43 | amro | right, but there will almost always be a need to. in your case it seems there wasn't, but WMV encryption was used elsewhere as well |
| 13:28.43 | Zeal | it's not the encryption that was at fault though is what i'm saying. |
| 13:28.43 | Zeal | it was the implementation of it. |
| 13:29.52 | Zeal | only benefit i see from is it, is proving that the encryption wasn't good enough to ever be put out. |
| 13:30.26 | Zeal | supposed to have people who check that.. obviously not well enough. |
| 13:30.52 | amro | Zeal: the only unbreakable encryption algorithm would be impractical to use, and even though traditionally unbreakable, would be even easier to pirate because you have to provide the key along with the content |
| 13:31.14 | Zeal | someone shall think of a way. |
| 13:31.40 | Zeal | but ultimately, i feel good implementation, means people never need to even attempt to break it. |
| 13:32.42 | amro | but that is impossible. you have to provide the key to decrypt to the legit user, and if the legit user is malicious then you're screwed. |
| 13:33.26 | amro | the only truly unbreakable encryption scheme is one time pad encryption, but only in the context of traditional communication. in this case it would still be breakable since you have to provide the key to the users |
| 13:33.30 | Zeal | in your case for example, with xp, there is a way to contact microsft and get it resolved. no need to resort to circumventing it. only reason you would is because it's easier, and the only reason it'seasier, is because of illegitmate pirates have made it so. |
| 13:33.58 | amro | hahah i tried, they told me my license was pirated and to buy a new one. bastards |
| 13:34.16 | amro | license was invalid* |
| 13:34.17 | Zeal | fair enough, their implementation clearly fails |
| 13:34.27 | Zeal | circumvent away imo :P |
| 13:34.31 | amro | lol |
| 13:38.15 | Zeal | Easynet's rollout can actually support up to 20mbps |
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| 13:59.30 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, you downloading my vid? :P |
| 13:59.37 | Zeal | hey Tekkub |
| 14:00.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Later, I shall |
| 14:00.28 | Zeal | btw dok3Dal, when i said no to you, i misread what you said.. sorry :x no idea on the rules for that |
| 14:00.43 | Montagg | Zeal: What vid? |
| 14:00.57 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/designs/Warcraft%20-%20Towards%20the%20End%20(Small%20-%20High%20Quality).zip <-- that vid Montagg |
| 14:00.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Saving it now |
| 14:01.01 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:01.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Damn you for putting spaces in it btw |
| 14:01.22 | Zeal | lol |
| 14:01.26 | dok3Dal | Zeal, according to others vandals reported, this seems to be not allowed |
| 14:01.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, for that link, it was too long |
| 14:01.41 | Kirkburn|afk | I mean, it was essentially advertising |
| 14:02.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Basically, best option is to just fix it to be a short link under "See Also", and tell the "perpetrator" :) |
| 14:02.42 | Zeal | i though it was valid, but should be in the external links section fo the article. other than that i don't mind unless we already have the strats.. in which case it serves no purpose |
| 14:02.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Meanwhile, I shall continue retaking Stalingrad |
| 14:02.59 | Zeal | O_o |
| 14:04.05 | dok3Dal | The guy as changed something like 10 pages, I'm ok to silently fix one or two when I see a problem but not 10 |
| 14:06.38 | dok3Dal | At least not whitout some kind of reporting |
| 14:06.39 | Zeal | well thats when you go to his talk page and say "oi! mr stragey link guy, no! these links are wrong, and they should be moved elsewhere" |
| 14:06.44 | *** join/#wowwiki Tepetkhet (n=Tepetkhe@office70.corp.sspan.net) |
| 14:06.59 | Zeal | hey Tepetkhet |
| 14:07.05 | Tepetkhet | Hello. |
| 14:07.53 | Tepetkhet | Half the roads I take into work were either closed all the way or part of the way so they could do snow removal and cleanup. |
| 14:08.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, I only get 90KB/s from your site |
| 14:08.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Tepetkhet, wow |
| 14:09.07 | Tepetkhet | About time, actually. |
| 14:09.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Made a snow angel? |
| 14:09.19 | Zeal | that's a bitch. well its probably in part its in america |
| 14:09.26 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 14:09.28 | Tepetkhet | No. |
| 14:09.29 | Zeal | but still far too low |
| 14:09.38 | Zeal | i shall have to have a chat with my host :p |
| 14:10.08 | Tepetkhet | It hasn't snowed this week. |
| 14:10.20 | Montagg | Zeal: Did you write this music? |
| 14:10.21 | Tepetkhet | But the roads were still piled high with snow and ice. |
| 14:10.31 | Tepetkhet | The last couple days, anyway. |
| 14:10.43 | Zeal | write it? no lol. its Within Temptation - Towards the End. |
| 14:10.59 | Zeal | you've downloaded it already? :o |
| 14:11.07 | Tepetkhet | There were a lot of places where the roads had narrowed to 1-lane already because of the ice/snow piled up on the sides of the road. |
| 14:11.12 | Montagg | Ahh, okay. So you just laid it over the WoW trailer. Cool idea. |
| 14:11.13 | Tepetkhet | but yeah |
| 14:11.16 | Tepetkhet | I hate my commute. |
| 14:11.23 | Montagg | Yeah, finished downloading. |
| 14:11.41 | Montagg | Oh no, you recut this slightly. Cool. |
| 14:11.58 | Zeal | well not over it.. its wc3 and wow cinematics, chopped up, peiced back together to the music, transition effects added etc. |
| 14:12.36 | Montagg | Nicely done. It flows well, considering it's from multiple sources. |
| 14:12.55 | Zeal | the longest peice of footage in it that isn't chopped up is probably the dwarf-nelf bit from the wow intro. |
| 14:13.14 | Zeal | ty |
| 14:13.17 | Montagg | Sweet. |
| 14:13.19 | Montagg | I liked it. |
| 14:13.24 | Montagg | What do you use? |
| 14:13.29 | Zeal | sony vegas |
| 14:13.37 | Montagg | Interesting, haven't heard of it. |
| 14:13.39 | Zeal | that's actually my first completed video from it, lol. |
| 14:13.46 | Montagg | Seems to do a lot of cool stuff, though. |
| 14:13.57 | Zeal | not used it since version 5 when i was doing cs vids i never finished :P |
| 14:14.01 | Zeal | aye |
| 14:15.08 | Montagg | I'm attempting to make my first WoW video, but ran into some roadblocks with the tests. Game won't render enough frames for me to get the look I want. |
| 14:15.09 | Zeal | its a up and coming application in the pro NLE world |
| 14:15.21 | Zeal | *an up |
| 14:15.39 | Zeal | oh? |
| 14:15.58 | Montagg | It's certainly cheaper than your average video editing suite. |
| 14:16.08 | Montagg | I might actually consider that when I go legit. =c) |
| 14:16.32 | Zeal | hehe |
| 14:16.40 | Zeal | i've not dealth with game footage much |
| 14:17.02 | Montagg | As far as my video, I'm trying to get a very smooth slow motion effect, and I've tried capturing at several different framerates and slowing it down, but it's never smooth enough. I need something like 120fps, but FRAPS won't do it. |
| 14:17.05 | Zeal | with cs, i used to very basic and nast method, outputting sequenced bitmaps ;p |
| 14:17.17 | Zeal | oh i see.. |
| 14:17.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool, v cool |
| 14:17.37 | Zeal | that's a shame. cs had the ability to do that in demos : / |
| 14:17.43 | Zeal | ty Kirkburn|afk |
| 14:17.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Good timing, and you didn't resort to 'gimmicks' |
| 14:18.04 | Zeal | any criticisms though, do i need to beat them out of you? lol |
| 14:18.07 | Zeal | rofl |
| 14:18.19 | Montagg | I think it might be less FRAPS and more the game itself unable to render it, either on my computer or in general. |
| 14:18.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, well the picture did you a bit funny on the last frame - goes grey for some reason :P |
| 14:18.32 | Kirkburn|afk | *did go |
| 14:18.51 | Zeal | yeah.. what you playing it back in? i don't get that |
| 14:18.54 | Montagg | Zeal: The last sequence, from WC3, could use some rain sounds, some very quiet, low tones, or wind or something. |
| 14:18.55 | Zeal | it should go black :S |
| 14:19.02 | Kirkburn|afk | WMP11 |
| 14:19.11 | Zeal | yeah.. wmp11 did that to me too |
| 14:19.17 | Zeal | think it's a bug with that |
| 14:19.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Agreed with Montag, slight wind noises would help the last bit's impact |
| 14:19.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm amazed to you managed to compress the zip so much - what did you use? |
| 14:19.59 | Montagg | I noticed a gray frame with VLC, too, but it closes the window right at the last frame, so it didn't show up clearly. |
| 14:20.09 | Zeal | hm.. well i'm not that experienced with it yet, but i'll attempt that with the next one. |
| 14:20.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Where did that "to" come from? |
| 14:20.19 | Kirkburn|afk | sigh, my typing skillz ftl |
| 14:20.31 | Zeal | jsut the default winxp compressed folders |
| 14:20.40 | Zeal | videos tend to zip well from my experience |
| 14:20.54 | Kirkburn|afk | DivX and those types shouldn't |
| 14:21.04 | Kirkburn|afk | MPEG though, definately |
| 14:21.14 | Zeal | well it's all divx |
| 14:21.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Intriguing :) |
| 14:21.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Time for some CS:S |
| 14:21.54 | Kirkburn|afk | ag_rats_v2 ;) |
| 14:22.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Do you know what ag_ stands for? |
| 14:22.23 | Zeal | nope |
| 14:22.29 | Zeal | awfully gay ? |
| 14:22.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Oi |
| 14:22.51 | Zeal | amazingly good? :S |
| 14:22.52 | Zeal | lol |
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| 14:23.20 | Teomyr | i used to wonder what fy_ stands for :P |
| 14:23.28 | Tepetkhet | Eff yourself? |
| 14:23.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh god, this server has sniper rifles on :/ |
| 14:23.38 | Tepetkhet | Fushigi Yuugi? |
| 14:27.09 | Zeal | what does fy stand for? i forget :S |
| 14:30.58 | Zeal | my only gripe with the video, is the lower quality ones screw up on the blizz presents text when it flashes to white, it leaves a few black lines on the screen until it fades back from white into the next clip : / |
| 14:31.41 | Zeal | but if people don't mind the size of the highq one, i probably won't bother with lowq |
| 14:31.58 | Adys | should [[Category:Demon Hunters]] exist? |
| 14:32.53 | Zeal | [[Category:Class:Demon Hunter]] >_> |
| 14:39.23 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 14:39.26 | Zeal | not music videos.. |
| 14:39.28 | Zeal | oh noes |
| 14:39.30 | Zeal | like i care |
| 14:40.00 | Zeal | gief fair use for non-comercial use... |
| 14:42.29 | Zeal | is there a site like youtube that does allow music videos? |
| 14:44.13 | Zeal | haha "Note: If you upload Porn, your MySpace account will be deleted." |
| 14:44.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Capital P? |
| 14:44.35 | equiraptor | Ooooh.... |
| 14:44.46 | equiraptor | So, did I get someone's myspace accouunt deleted? |
| 14:44.54 | equiraptor | They used an image on my webserver as a background. |
| 14:45.02 | equiraptor | I switched the image for a rather nasty porn one. |
| 14:45.19 | equiraptor | Admittedly, they hadn't *uploaded* it. But it was still displaying on their myspace page. |
| 14:45.51 | Tepetkhet | Okay, great. |
| 14:45.57 | Tepetkhet | This is fantastic. |
| 14:46.04 | Tepetkhet | And it's going to be my fault, I'm sure. |
| 14:46.10 | equiraptor | Uh oh. :( |
| 14:46.43 | Tepetkhet | I asked my boss for a copy of a contract template so I could try to draft a contract for a potential customer. |
| 14:46.50 | Tepetkhet | And asked him to schedule an install. |
| 14:46.59 | Tepetkhet | Boss said I should have the contract. |
| 14:47.02 | Tepetkhet | I can't find it. |
| 14:47.06 | Tepetkhet | I told him I couldn't find it. |
| 14:47.12 | Tepetkhet | He even looked with me. Still no contract. |
| 14:47.21 | Tepetkhet | Yesterday, my boss was completely MIA. |
| 14:47.35 | Tepetkhet | Potential customer came in today and said, "Uh, install? Contract?" |
| 14:48.12 | Tepetkhet | And I don't know what to tell him. |
| 14:48.38 | Tepetkhet | So it's going to be my fault he goes with somebody else because I didn't pull a contract and install time out of my backside. |
| 14:50.40 | Zeal | oh you equiraptor, you just reminded me. someone else did that to me. but i wasn't as cruel, i was going to replace it with goaste |
| 14:51.00 | equiraptor | Well, I give people a warning before I replace it with something that bad. |
| 14:51.11 | equiraptor | I left a comment requesting they change the background. |
| 14:51.17 | equiraptor | They replied with an insult. |
| 14:51.29 | equiraptor | So I made it nasty-porn. |
| 14:51.49 | Montagg | Mmmm. |
| 14:51.52 | Montagg | Nasty-porn. |
| 14:51.54 | equiraptor | Had they not replied with the insult, I probably would have just made it something undesirable, but not so nasty. |
| 14:52.28 | Zeal | ah, i didn't even bother with a warning |
| 14:52.39 | equiraptor | Sometimes I do, sometimes I don't. |
| 14:52.52 | equiraptor | Depends on how self-righteous I feel like being. :) |
| 14:55.08 | Zeal | http://www.myspace.com/justleavemetorave |
| 14:55.10 | Zeal | there we go |
| 14:55.25 | Zeal | still not removed my images, and still using my myspace design, heh. |
| 14:55.27 | Adys | Tekkub you there? |
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| 14:55.40 | Zeal | though if you're in ff, it probably looks like wank |
| 14:56.04 | equiraptor | I can't view myspace from work. :( |
| 14:56.34 | Zeal | :( |
| 14:56.56 | equiraptor | Work is lame. |
| 14:57.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | idd -.- |
| 14:57.05 | equiraptor | One of these days, I'm going to set up a proxy. |
| 14:57.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | though I like it sometimes |
| 14:57.29 | equiraptor | The trick will be not getting the proxy detected and blocked. |
| 14:57.38 | equiraptor | Though I may be able to just run it on 8080 or something. |
| 14:57.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | take a laptop and use wireless -.- |
| 14:57.57 | equiraptor | This is their wireless. :-P |
| 14:58.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | ROFL |
| 14:58.16 | equiraptor | There aren't any other wireless networks in range. |
| 14:58.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | then how about verizon wireless? |
| 14:58.24 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh |
| 14:58.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | kk |
| 14:58.29 | equiraptor | That costs money. |
| 14:58.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | but its worth it :D |
| 14:58.39 | equiraptor | Setting up a proxy doesn't. |
| 14:59.03 | equiraptor | And, those ways to get wireless are slow as hell around here. |
| 15:02.00 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/images/hotlink.jpeg <-- he has that all over his myspace page. |
| 15:02.40 | equiraptor | Heh. Nice. |
| 15:02.45 | Tuqui-tuqui | 0.o |
| 15:02.50 | Zeal | hm.. that should have been a lowercase i on image.. woops, oh well :p |
| 15:02.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | the hotlink thinggie? |
| 15:02.54 | Zeal | aye |
| 15:02.55 | Tuqui-tuqui | rofl |
| 15:04.03 | Teomyr | a theif? :P |
| 15:04.17 | Montagg | Ha! Apparently, in places where rendering is very good (i.e., not outside), you can get semi-decent slow motion effect if you capture at 60fps and treat it as a 30fps stream. |
| 15:04.19 | Zeal | pfft |
| 15:04.21 | Zeal | shush, lol |
| 15:04.24 | Montagg | Not that any of you care, but I'm excited. =c) |
| 15:04.35 | Zeal | i care Montagg :( |
| 15:04.39 | Zeal | and nice |
| 15:04.45 | Zeal | that should work as half speed. |
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| 15:05.16 | Zeal | lo dotted |
| 15:05.24 | Montagg | I've been testing whether to do that or to use Adobe Premiere's speed filter. I think they both do the same thing, except I'm working manually. |
| 15:06.16 | Montagg | Unfortunately, it's so hard to get true 60fps quality... I just don't receive information fast enough from the server, or the game won't do it, or my machine won't do it. |
| 15:10.06 | Zeal | aye |
| 15:10.13 | dotted | lo Zeal |
| 15:10.15 | dotted | soundcard fails at life rebooting |
| 15:10.22 | Zeal | O_o |
| 15:11.04 | Zeal | 2 second lag, not bad |
| 15:14.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm now fighting in a kitchen :D |
| 15:15.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | I see... |
| 15:15.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | interesting |
| 15:15.25 | Kirkburn|afk | There's a 23 vs 23 map, but it's full |
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| 15:18.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Omg, it's a zombie map! |
| 15:19.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh this is AWESOME |
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| 15:27.18 | Zeal | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hu_9Joygyno |
| 15:27.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Zombie Mayhem ftw |
| 15:28.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Cool Zeal |
| 15:30.51 | Zeal | probably won't last long on there |
| 15:31.25 | Zeal | rate plx ;) |
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| 15:44.49 | dotted | Zeal gief highquality version :o |
| 15:45.10 | Zeal | er.. i need up upload tbh, but kk |
| 15:45.27 | Zeal | let me jsut wait for the myspace upload to finish, lol |
| 15:45.35 | dotted | :P |
| 15:47.56 | Montagg | You have to wonder how they get the smoothness in some of these shots: |
| 15:47.57 | Montagg | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PH5LlV6cm0&mode=related&search= |
| 15:56.20 | Kirkburn|afk | They run low res, and have a powerful PC |
| 15:57.06 | Montagg | The low-res surprises me, but I suppose that's true. For YouTube, the video only needs to be 640x480. |
| 15:57.23 | Montagg | I would think they'd want a high quality version. |
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| 15:59.54 | Zeal | well i can get a rather consistatn 60fps+ in org, while it's busy @ 1280x1024 (which would be fine for a high quality, even 720p, but not 1080p or anything like that). it's just a matter of waiting for everything to load and hope that nothing random that qould require alot of load again pops up :p |
| 16:00.14 | Zeal | but when you're filming in rather low traffic places like they did, that's not really an issue. |
| 16:00.32 | Montagg | I'm running on a laptop with a slower processor and an x1600, so I get around 20-30 in Org. |
| 16:00.54 | Montagg | I'ma do some research on their production, see what I can gather. |
| 16:01.25 | Zeal | lol kk |
| 16:01.36 | Montagg | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Machinima |
| 16:02.17 | Zeal | i want an 10th generation ati card or higher before i even consider machinima |
| 16:02.40 | Zeal | simply because of a lack of aa on textures, only geometry. |
| 16:03.19 | Zeal | er.. *11th |
| 16:03.27 | Zeal | preferablly 12th at this rate though. |
| 16:04.15 | dotted | isnt there an article on how to write serch functionality in lua somewhere? |
| 16:05.08 | dotted | *search |
| 16:05.13 | Zeal | no idea :s |
| 16:05.21 | Zeal | if there isn't, there probably should be. heh |
| 16:06.04 | dotted | having some trouble figuring out how Atlas did it, mu knowledge of lua and programming in general is rather limited :p |
| 16:06.59 | dotted | *my |
| 16:07.20 | Montagg | I love the fact that South Park decided to render all the in-game footage as in their WoW episode as if it had been filmed by a character. |
| 16:07.28 | Montagg | ^ -as |
| 16:07.50 | equiraptor | I think that was my favorite south pack episode, ever. |
| 16:07.56 | equiraptor | Then again, I'm not a fan of south park. :) |
| 16:08.26 | Zeal | well blizzard did all the rendering iirc |
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| 16:08.34 | dotted | my favorite is the first episode of season 5, becuase its so dark and extrmely creepy :p |
| 16:08.48 | Zeal | but tbh, i hate that episode, thought it was crap. |
| 16:09.23 | dotted | Zeal South Park had B,lizzard guys over to help them, like Tristan Pope (CraftingWorld.com etc) |
| 16:09.33 | dotted | *CraftingWorlds |
| 16:09.34 | Zeal | aye |
| 16:09.35 | dotted | .com |
| 16:10.01 | dotted | but the custom animation was done bu South Park guys |
| 16:10.04 | dotted | *by |
| 16:10.28 | verxion | anyone here familiar with Shadow Labs? |
| 16:10.32 | Montagg | I'm reading an article on that right now. |
| 16:10.40 | verxion | ahh |
| 16:10.45 | Montagg | http://www.machinima.com/article.php?article=459# |
| 16:10.46 | verxion | http://www.ampwow.com/wow/viewnewzones/Shadow+Labyrinth.php!default=strat |
| 16:10.51 | verxion | that is a good link imho |
| 16:10.55 | verxion | let me read yours |
| 16:12.16 | verxion | well I had expected yours to be about shadow labs, rofl |
| 16:12.39 | verxion | well I ran it last night and we discovered you don't have to kill murmur to loot the 1st key fragment |
| 16:12.44 | Montagg | Blizzard gave South Park their maya files, which South Park animated for the closeups, but I *think* the rest is in-game footage, or at least as much as they could use. |
| 16:12.45 | Zeal | dotted, is that actually confirmed. because i thought the "help" details was merely speculated |
| 16:13.04 | dotted | Zeal what Montagg said :p |
| 16:13.05 | Zeal | yeah, thats sort of what i thought Montagg |
| 16:13.28 | Montagg | Same, but I never had it confirmed. |
| 16:14.05 | Montagg | Ha! Blizzard even gave them in-game accounts geared up to look like the models they wanted. |
| 16:14.20 | Tepetkhet | Nice. |
| 16:14.21 | dotted | they had a GM client too |
| 16:14.36 | dotted | the randomly killed ppl in the BC Alpha |
| 16:14.49 | dotted | atleast them who was in the way of shooting :p |
| 16:15.06 | Montagg | I noticed that the Crafting Worlds videos uses some GM footage. Cheaters. |
| 16:16.13 | Montagg | Oh shit! Their shooting sessions sound like LAN parties, with PCs on folding tables in the lobby. |
| 16:17.35 | dotted | [@Montagg]: I noticed that the Crafting Worlds videos uses some GM footage. Cheaters. <- where oO= |
| 16:17.36 | dotted | ? |
| 16:18.25 | Montagg | Where? There's a shot in the Converse ad that's a fly by. It could theoretically have been done by a well-placed flight path, but the camera stops arbitrarily. |
| 16:18.47 | Montagg | It's either someone who's really, really talented with a mouse wheel to zoom in and out smoothly, or it's a GM client. |
| 16:18.58 | Zeal | "We met with several people from Blizzard on Thursday, the 7th of Sept. and it became obvious that they were extremely eager to make this happen, and seemed willing to do whatever they could to make sure it did." <-- ofc, that close to the BC launch they'd be eager for the publicity :p |
| 16:19.08 | Montagg | WoW Converse ad: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PH5LlV6cm0&mode=related&search= |
| 16:19.41 | dotted | Montagg you could easily do that with a mousewheel |
| 16:19.44 | Montagg | Zeal: Exactly. South Park wasn't stupid about their production schedule, either. =c) |
| 16:19.57 | Montagg | dotted: Check the footage. It's posible, but not easy. I've tried. |
| 16:20.05 | dotted | Montagg it wasnt planned to be WoW to begin with afaik |
| 16:20.06 | Montagg | The footage is REALLY smooth. |
| 16:20.47 | Montagg | dotted: You're right. They wanted to do a general MMO, and they were inspired by a co-worker who played it. But at the same time, they knew it was most feasible because of the release of BC. |
| 16:21.17 | dotted | Montagg hah no that aint even done with a mouse - its noggenfogger :D |
| 16:21.26 | dotted | Montagg idd |
| 16:21.41 | Zeal | lol, you're both and point things out to each other you both already read as if from different places.. :p |
| 16:22.02 | dotted | Zeal yes ofc |
| 16:22.38 | Zeal | if the scene Montagg is talking about is the one i'm thinking of, to me it looked simply like a char jumped off a nearby cliff with slowfall or something. it wasn't perfect, but it got a decent fly by angle. |
| 16:22.47 | Zeal | *both pointing |
| 16:23.03 | Montagg | Zeal: That's true. It could've been slow fall. |
| 16:23.26 | dotted | it is |
| 16:23.38 | Montagg | Ahh, you're right! I see the jumping action. |
| 16:23.47 | Montagg | Good. I feel better about Crafting Worlds now. =c) |
| 16:23.52 | dotted | =P |
| 16:26.48 | Montagg | Aha. I remember so many of these videos. |
| 16:27.00 | Montagg | The first sex scene ever to show up in WoW machinema. |
| 16:33.25 | Zeal | er? a wow movie or just a short sex scene? |
| 16:33.33 | Zeal | if the latter, fairly sure i've seen it. |
| 16:33.53 | Zeal | if the former, the latter was first :p |
| 16:37.07 | Trae | hey gang... I want to be able to add a "pin point" to a map so I can build up say a circuit of places to go to on quests... is this doable? |
| 16:37.17 | Trae | is there an existing add-on for this? |
| 16:37.41 | Zeal | er.. map notes, metamap.. probably some others |
| 16:37.46 | Trae | kk |
| 16:42.23 | dotted | Metamap, Cartographer, CTmod have it too i think |
| 16:42.43 | Trae | oh poo |
| 16:42.48 | Trae | you have to target the thing |
| 16:42.58 | Zeal | hm? |
| 16:43.09 | Trae | it says: usage: Target something and type /nt |
| 16:43.18 | dotted | oO |
| 16:43.35 | Trae | I want to add a point on the map of places I haven't been |
| 16:43.36 | Trae | heh |
| 16:44.32 | Zeal | dotted, any idea if the gather part of CT Map Mod (aka old school map notes + gatherer) actually works? mine hasn't since like 1.9 or something, yet they still have it there, and when i reported it, people said it still works :s |
| 16:45.15 | Zeal | what mod you using trae, as most will do iwt from modified clicks (eg. control+left click) on the map :s |
| 16:45.19 | Zeal | *it |
| 16:45.23 | Trae | titanpanel |
| 16:45.28 | Trae | is what I use for main mod |
| 16:45.36 | Trae | I have that metanote installed |
| 16:45.41 | Zeal | no, the mod you're using for the map |
| 16:45.47 | Trae | err |
| 16:45.49 | Trae | mapnotes |
| 16:45.50 | Zeal | er.. lol |
| 16:45.52 | Zeal | kk |
| 16:46.02 | Zeal | well, that doesn't sound right |
| 16:46.19 | Trae | it sounds more of a "Hey here is some notes I can put on stuff I've visited" |
| 16:46.24 | Trae | not sure how that's useful, but.. |
| 16:46.25 | dotted | Zeal i dont know, o try to stay away from CT |
| 16:46.26 | Trae | heh |
| 16:46.29 | Zeal | i haven't used map notes a while (last i saw, in BC beta, it was being remade complete) |
| 16:46.29 | dotted | *i |
| 16:46.38 | Zeal | lol fiar enough |
| 16:46.40 | Zeal | *fair |
| 16:46.44 | Zeal | *in a while |
| 16:47.01 | Trae | I just want to add a series of push-pins at certain locs |
| 16:47.09 | Trae | and build a quick circuit for quests |
| 16:47.14 | Zeal | 17 mins until the highq version dotted ;) |
| 16:47.19 | dotted | \o/ |
| 16:47.39 | Montagg | Zeal: There's a version of Gatherer that works now, I believe. |
| 16:48.09 | Zeal | yeah, map notes should let you just ctrl click the map and bring up a map note dialog to name it, and change the icon to certain types. |
| 16:48.23 | Trae | Zeal, ok let me try again |
| 16:48.27 | Montagg | It's on the author's site. I found it through one of the mod sites, though. |
| 16:48.32 | dotted | I kinda just use Cartographer for all notes/gathering stuff |
| 16:48.34 | Montagg | Anyway, I'm off to class. Later folks. |
| 16:48.50 | dotted | but thats just becuase i'm an ace2 fanboi |
| 16:48.51 | Zeal | nice Montagg, but that doesn't help me much, as i onyl wanted the basic version ct mod used, which doesn't work for me :p |
| 16:49.16 | dotted | becuase it makes my wow less laggy |
| 16:49.20 | dotted | ^^ |
| 16:49.45 | Zeal | never used cartographer, nevr even knew of it's existance.. |
| 16:50.50 | dotted | its atlas, atlasloot (i think), metamap, gatherer + more random stuff ^^ |
| 16:51.25 | dotted | http://files.wowace.com/ |
| 16:51.42 | dotted | scrolldown till you find cartogrpaher |
| 16:52.06 | dotted | ohh nice plugin |
| 16:52.10 | dotted | Cartographer_QuestObjectives r28551 Mon, 19 Feb 2007 23:40:19 +0000 Remembers the locations of quest objectives. (Greg "Overload" Laabs) |
| 16:52.12 | Trae | instaled cart |
| 16:52.49 | Zeal | its a compilation, not an actualy competing addon? :s |
| 16:52.54 | Zeal | actual |
| 16:53.21 | dotted | Zeal a map comilation maybe |
| 16:53.26 | dotted | *compilation |
| 16:53.27 | Zeal | that is a nice plugin |
| 16:54.26 | Zeal | i'm confused. it's a addon compilation, and addon package (a compilation be recoded to all work together) or a competing addon :S |
| 16:54.35 | Zeal | *, an addon |
| 16:54.44 | Zeal | *but recoded |
| 16:54.49 | Zeal | *? |
| 16:54.55 | Zeal | >_>; |
| 16:54.57 | Trae | nice |
| 16:55.00 | Trae | this rox |
| 16:55.06 | Trae | trying to find pinpont thingy |
| 16:55.07 | Trae | lol |
| 16:55.27 | dotted | Trae ctrl+right click? |
| 16:55.33 | Trae | hmm |
| 16:55.45 | Trae | doesn't seem to do anything |
| 16:56.16 | dotted | Zeal its a compilation of addons coded from scratch in Ace2 related to the map |
| 16:56.35 | Trae | oh |
| 16:56.36 | dotted | more or less |
| 16:56.39 | Trae | odd seems a bit bugged |
| 16:56.44 | dotted | oO? |
| 16:57.05 | Zeal | *-compilation of addons *addon |
| 16:57.14 | Zeal | just checked up myself |
| 16:57.17 | Trae | I have ton at cursor |
| 16:57.19 | Zeal | may give i a go when i see |
| 16:57.23 | Trae | tons of jumbled up text |
| 16:57.45 | Trae | at bottom of map |
| 16:57.51 | Trae | where Cursor and player |
| 16:57.51 | dotted | Zeal yeah but thats becuase i use it Load on demand, looks kinda like a compilation in the interface fold xD |
| 16:57.56 | Trae | there are double text lines |
| 16:57.59 | dotted | oO |
| 16:58.19 | dotted | upload a screenshot |
| 16:58.40 | Trae | kk sec |
| 16:58.51 | Trae | how do I take a ss |
| 16:58.56 | Trae | just print screen? |
| 16:58.59 | Kirkburn|afk | AAAH!!! AAAH!!! I missed Amazon's Wii stock AGAIN |
| 16:58.59 | dotted | yup |
| 16:59.14 | dotted | http://kirkburn.justgotowned.com |
| 16:59.23 | Trae | wehre does it save screenshots to? |
| 16:59.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Argh, argh argh |
| 16:59.40 | Shadowed | Screenshots/ |
| 17:00.03 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-61-38.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:00.03 | Kirkburn|afk | It barely lasted any time, but still ... |
| 17:00.07 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
| 17:00.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Shows how much in demand Wiis are at least |
| 17:00.35 | Hobinheim|gym | adis, the man, the myth, the imitated |
| 17:00.39 | Zeal | the only gripe i have about ace is the addons it produces.. it's far too modular for the user. requires more reading up, knowing where to look, knowing what already exists to compliment each one and back it usefull to the end user. |
| 17:00.41 | Shadowed | make up on eBay isn't so bad last I checked |
| 17:00.51 | Shadowed | Zeall: yes! |
| 17:00.55 | *** part/#wowwiki Hobinheim|work (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 17:00.57 | Shadowed | mark up even |
| 17:01.15 | Zeal | most of the time, as cartographer is, they simply come across as simple kits for addon development, rather than addons a user wants to use. |
| 17:01.20 | dotted | http://tinyurl.com/yv8ctn <- lol |
| 17:01.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Actually Ace isn't that complicated if you use Standalones |
| 17:01.36 | Kirkburn|afk | And I totally disagree about Cartographer |
| 17:02.03 | Shadowed | Map manipulation is pretty annoying to do I hear |
| 17:02.04 | dotted | Zeal http://www.wowace.com/wiki/WinAceUpdater problem solved |
| 17:02.40 | Kirkburn|afk | I concede it is confusing for the uninitiated though |
| 17:02.49 | Zeal | that relies on what dotted? tht the addon is registered the the ace site? :S |
| 17:02.56 | dotted | Zeal what they do now is to have stuff made in 1 addon (plugins are still seperate) and then have a .bat file to make it Load on Demand |
| 17:02.59 | Zeal | *with |
| 17:03.10 | Shadowed | erm thats not how it works |
| 17:03.11 | dotted | Zeal ofc it isnt called Ace Updater for fun |
| 17:03.30 | dotted | Shadowed not far off then |
| 17:03.31 | Shadowed | the bat file is to move the folders from the one you downloaded to seperate one, the toc file is what makes it load on demand |
| 17:03.47 | Zeal | yeah, it'd rather have and update for each addon. |
| 17:03.52 | Zeal | *an updater |
| 17:03.58 | dotted | yeah but the addon still works fine without doing it |
| 17:04.12 | dotted | Zeal then you need another program |
| 17:04.21 | Shadowed | there aren't any programs that support every addon |
| 17:04.31 | Trae | http://occy.net/tmp/wow-shot-jumbled-cart.png dotted |
| 17:04.52 | Shadowed | You could make one that goes off of WoWI I suppose since they force you to use a different version number to upload |
| 17:05.19 | Adys | did we get a software upgrade? |
| 17:05.22 | Trae | very bottom of the cart map |
| 17:05.34 | Zeal | Trae, looks like you have competing addons running |
| 17:05.44 | Trae | hmm |
| 17:05.46 | dotted | Zeal Shadowed http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ is close to an all addons updater |
| 17:05.48 | Zeal | something else is writing cords to the map frame. |
| 17:06.33 | dotted | Trae using titan panael? |
| 17:06.36 | dotted | or fubar? |
| 17:06.37 | Trae | yah |
| 17:06.41 | Trae | titan panel |
| 17:07.03 | Zeal | i really don't want an all addons updater, at least not one that functions like that |
| 17:07.20 | dotted | yeah try and see if you can disable that TitanCooardinates or whatever its called (or atleast the thing that makes coords apear on the map) |
| 17:07.30 | dotted | Zeal then what? |
| 17:07.47 | Trae | that did it |
| 17:07.49 | Trae | dotted++ |
| 17:07.51 | Trae | :) |
| 17:07.54 | Trae | Zeal, thanks ;) |
| 17:07.59 | Trae | tx guys bunches |
| 17:08.02 | Zeal | if there was to be one, i want it to read a file in each addon's folder, which list's it's name, version and address to check for updates (preferably an xml file, when then contains a link to the the updated file) |
| 17:08.17 | Zeal | *which then |
| 17:08.26 | Trae | hmm |
| 17:08.31 | Shadowed | that site is confusing |
| 17:08.35 | Trae | is there a really good quest log replacement? |
| 17:08.38 | Trae | the default one sucks |
| 17:08.39 | Trae | lol |
| 17:08.40 | dotted | Trae np |
| 17:08.50 | Zeal | not rely on addon sites or built in definitions for addons, or put the work in the user's lap to define addons |
| 17:09.04 | Shadowed | Zeal: The problem is this is unrealistic |
| 17:09.06 | Zeal | i so badly miss quest assist.. |
| 17:09.09 | Adys | haha |
| 17:09.15 | Zeal | it's not unrealistic shadowed |
| 17:09.20 | dotted | i use Fubar_QuestFu, but since you use Titan thats no good, but i used EQL3 at one pint that was rather good |
| 17:09.20 | Adys | this guy registered the nick Content to Hover to cleanup vandalism |
| 17:09.25 | Zeal | theres many such programs that can do this already |
| 17:09.27 | Shadowed | sure it is |
| 17:09.33 | Shadowed | How do you plan on finding those links? |
| 17:09.41 | Zeal | but they are no catered to wow or limited to reading wow's addon folder. |
| 17:09.42 | Kirkburn|afk | If it was realistic, it would have already been done |
| 17:09.46 | Zeal | *not |
| 17:09.51 | Trae | tx again |
| 17:09.54 | Trae | time for lunch! |
| 17:09.59 | Kirkburn|afk | WowAceUpdater will update any addons on the Ace site |
| 17:10.02 | Zeal | shadowed, the links are provided by the author of the addon |
| 17:10.05 | Kirkburn|afk | (which is most Ace addons) |
| 17:10.07 | Shadowed | Zeal I have to head out in like 4 minutes so i can't argue but |
| 17:10.13 | Shadowed | "not rely on addon sites or built in definitions for addons" |
| 17:10.31 | Shadowed | you're contradiction yourself then |
| 17:10.38 | Zeal | no? |
| 17:10.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Well then make it clearer |
| 17:10.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Because I agree with Shadowed |
| 17:11.03 | Shadowed | you want something that doesn't require authors to flag stuff in the TOC, or require users to find all the links themselfs. |
| 17:11.30 | Kirkburn|afk | There will never be standard across all addon sites, it's impossible to maintain |
| 17:11.36 | Shadowed | This is realistic on a small scale of maybe 5-10 addons, but when you're talking about 50+ addons we have to search 3 different resource sites and the user has to pick which one matches it the closet |
| 17:11.38 | Kirkburn|afk | (and believe me, they've tried) |
| 17:11.56 | Shadowed | I don't think any of them would be happy with people searching for every addon on every site that quickly to find a link |
| 17:12.06 | Kirkburn|afk | No revenue, for one |
| 17:12.07 | Zeal | wtf? how is that not clear, i don't seen any contradiction what so ever. i'm baffaled. Shouldn't rely on downloading, getting definitions and checking updates from addons sites (curse, ace), and should not have built definition lists (fixed or editable by the user) in the application. |
| 17:12.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Then how the hell do you expect it to know what to download? |
| 17:12.34 | Zeal | i never said any such thing about not requiring authors.. |
| 17:12.39 | Zeal | i actually said that is what i want |
| 17:12.54 | Shadowed | There are a lot of different addons out that require authors to put stuff in the TOC, none of them are very popular or used |
| 17:13.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, you want all authors to adhere to a standard |
| 17:13.11 | Shadowed | which, will never happen on that kind of scale honestly |
| 17:13.32 | Zeal | if they wish to use such an updater Kirkburn|afk, yes. it's benficial to them, and their users. |
| 17:13.36 | Kirkburn|afk | People use all sorts of different versioning schemes |
| 17:13.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Not to the addon sites though |
| 17:13.54 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, there doesn;t need to be a standard on the versioning |
| 17:14.05 | Shadowed | it's hard to compare versions at times |
| 17:14.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Again, then, how do you expect it to know what to download? |
| 17:14.16 | Shadowed | what if somebody has 5.235b and 5.923a |
| 17:14.25 | Zeal | and hell, if you wanted to make some wacked uot versioning, the addon to red an xml schema for it. |
| 17:14.44 | Zeal | *out *read an |
| 17:14.46 | Shadowed | Zeal it simply is not possible in a way that doesn't require either the end-user or the author to do something special |
| 17:14.51 | dotted | Shadowed just take the one dated to the newest date, dont have to ralte to the version |
| 17:15.01 | Shadowed | What about time zones? |
| 17:15.06 | Kirkburn|afk | What happens if someone else uploads your addon elsewhere? |
| 17:15.07 | dotted | doesnt matter |
| 17:15.09 | Shadowed | theres already people who have tried to make a global addon updater, and they';ve failed |
| 17:15.10 | dotted | use UTC |
| 17:15.16 | Shadowed | not all the addon sites use UTC |
| 17:15.17 | Kirkburn|afk | What happens if someone uploads a modified version? |
| 17:15.29 | Kirkburn|afk | What happens if a mod is abandoned and picked up by someone else? |
| 17:15.44 | dotted | Shadowed can be worked around within the updater |
| 17:16.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Dates cannot be relied upon |
| 17:16.03 | dotted | Kirkburn|afk the same as on the addon sites? |
| 17:16.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, but we're talking about a universal updater |
| 17:16.23 | dotted | yeah |
| 17:16.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Manual updates can use common sense :P |
| 17:16.25 | Shadowed | Alright well I have to go, so have fun Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:16.29 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 17:17.08 | Zeal | it requires the author, to insert a version number, a name, and address. then they themselves (on their own site, or hosted for them on an addon database site) provide 1 xml file, that lists the versions, and their file location. the application simply compares versions and notifies what needs updating. the onyl standard is the way in which they are written (which really is already limited and obvious enough in xml anyways). |
| 17:17.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyways, I'm not bothered - about 95% of my addons are Ace ;) |
| 17:17.27 | dotted | Ace ftw |
| 17:17.43 | dotted | rather Ace2 ftw, had bad expierences with Ace1 :p |
| 17:17.51 | dotted | *have had |
| 17:18.10 | Zeal | if you want to complicate matter, an optional xml schema could be read on a per author basis, explaining how to deal with what is the xml version and how to use it. |
| 17:18.17 | Zeal | and viola. you're done. |
| 17:18.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, so you do need an author standard |
| 17:18.49 | Zeal | i already use na application similar to this to update my cs 1.6 ui&script package |
| 17:18.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Problem there is, someone would have to maintain it :/ |
| 17:19.00 | Kirkburn|afk | (and enforce it) |
| 17:19.27 | Kirkburn|afk | That could be possible, but it's a case of organising |
| 17:19.34 | Kirkburn|afk | And with this community, that's *hard* |
| 17:19.58 | Kirkburn|afk | (getting the addon sites to talk properly is very difficult) |
| 17:20.04 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, it's not more a standard than lua and xml are. there are limitations and logical ways to write things. taking a page out of wowwiki's book. ad granfather standard in essence. |
| 17:20.13 | Kirkburn|afk | (especially since some people's livelihoods depend on it) |
| 17:20.28 | Zeal | *a |
| 17:20.32 | Zeal | wtf is up with my typing.. |
| 17:20.35 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 17:20.51 | Zeal | anyways. it's up to the the addon database sites if they wish to support it |
| 17:21.17 | Zeal | they could do it their own way unique to them, aslong as the provide an xml schema. |
| 17:21.35 | Zeal | *unique way if they wanted, aslong |
| 17:21.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Going back to an earlier point, though ... here we come across the other problem. This isn't beneficial to the addon sites. |
| 17:22.11 | Zeal | otherwise, no communication, which means the author won't use their site as the addon's address, which means no issue. |
| 17:22.17 | Kirkburn|afk | It's detrimental, in fact |
| 17:22.32 | Zeal | in what way? ad revenue? |
| 17:22.35 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup |
| 17:22.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Major sticking point :( |
| 17:22.55 | Zeal | never said they have to support it. |
| 17:23.04 | Kirkburn|afk | "it's up to the the addon database sites if they wish to support it" |
| 17:23.17 | Kirkburn|afk | If they don't support it, it won't work |
| 17:23.38 | Zeal | if i was to make this, i'd probably run my own database site so those who can't host thier addon themselves, can host it there, with the xml file created for them. |
| 17:23.48 | Kirkburn|afk | Even if 2/3 of them support it, that's a massive chunk of addons missing (which is the case with most updaters atm) |
| 17:23.56 | dotted | Kirkburn|afk http://wuu.vagabonds.info/ works without the support of the sites |
| 17:24.06 | dotted | exept for wowace |
| 17:24.07 | Zeal | if they don't support it, the author pays the price |
| 17:24.11 | Kirkburn|afk | dotted, not officially, is my point |
| 17:24.19 | Kirkburn|afk | There's no standard |
| 17:24.21 | Zeal | i'd think any sane author would support it themselves when they could |
| 17:24.31 | dotted | yeah but the program still works |
| 17:24.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yes, I don't dispute that :) |
| 17:24.58 | dotted | i dont understand what the problem is then? |
| 17:25.15 | Kirkburn|afk | That the standard Zeal wants isn't feasible |
| 17:25.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Plus WUU is not infallible, esp. without that standard |
| 17:25.49 | Zeal | so even if the sites don't support it, aslong as authors do, it doesn't matter. and if enough authors support it, it undermines the sites for update use anyways. you'd only then go to the sites if you want to look for new addons or read/post comments. |
| 17:26.00 | Zeal | well it is feasible imo |
| 17:26.05 | Zeal | i don;t see anything stopping it. |
| 17:26.11 | Zeal | *don't |
| 17:26.18 | dotted | its utopia to make it happen and work good |
| 17:26.25 | Zeal | and stop calling ti a standard >_> |
| 17:26.27 | Kirkburn|afk | The community has been going nearly 3 years, it hasn't happened yet :P |
| 17:26.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Schema, standard, what's the difference? |
| 17:27.24 | dotted | in the end i dont mind, all my addons are ace2 anyways exept a few |
| 17:28.00 | Zeal | as i always say Kirkburn|afk, most people are short sighted in my eyes ;) and i see evidence of it all around. most are not as anal or idealistic as me, heh. |
| 17:28.38 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, if people's income didn't depend on the visits addon sites get, then it would be possible. But they do. |
| 17:29.08 | Kirkburn|afk | I have 93 Ace2 addons! |
| 17:30.04 | dotted | i dont know how many ace2 addons i've got but i got 168 folders inside the \Interface\AddOns folder |
| 17:30.16 | Kirkburn|afk | 123. Damn. |
| 17:30.18 | Zeal | the schema is optional. its a method rather than a standard. those who don't wish to use the default standard used in the method, can define their own but still use the same method. those who still aren't happy, (ie addon sites) need not bother to support it. it' the authors that make it work, not the addon sites. |
| 17:31.08 | Kirkburn|afk | You need to spend some time with the addon communities :) |
| 17:31.41 | Zeal | i could for example host the xml file myself, yet put the addon on the addon site and be sitting pretty. |
| 17:32.18 | dotted | still its utopia |
| 17:32.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Amazon Wii stock - "Last seen in stock: 21/02/2007 15:20:02 |
| 17:32.58 | Kirkburn|afk | ". I was SITTING RIGHT HERE. |
| 17:33.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh I hate you, invisible line break. |
| 17:33.08 | Zeal | you imply utopia is unattainable? i say it's unattainable because of people holding back progress for greed and personal gain ;) |
| 17:33.19 | Zeal | lol k |
| 17:33.24 | Zeal | *Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:33.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Damn those other people with names beginning with K :P |
| 17:33.44 | dotted | Zeal exactly |
| 17:34.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Greed and personal gain is having enough money to feed your family? |
| 17:34.17 | Zeal | "ClearFont recently got a "cleaner" version with no funny placements of files " lol Kirkburn|afk |
| 17:34.36 | Kirkburn|afk | People's livelihoods depend on the sites. The addon sites aren't hobbies. |
| 17:34.51 | Zeal | greed and personal gain is gaining something for yourself at the cost of others. |
| 17:35.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Then *working* is greed and personal gain. |
| 17:35.34 | Zeal | people should find a better way to support their lively hood. i'd also liek to point out a flaw in your argument about lost revenue though.. |
| 17:35.53 | dotted | lol? oO |
| 17:36.39 | Zeal | most of the update traffic will be coming from patch periods. during this time, all the sites go into low bandwidth mode because they can't feasiably support the traffic (and incure the bandwidth costs). i've not seen any site use ads when in this mode |
| 17:37.09 | Zeal | so, no lost revenue, and infact, because it would take the load off them, they could switch back into normal mode, and have ads again, so it would increase it. |
| 17:37.47 | Zeal | the latter part only if it was widely adopted enough to take away that much load ofc. |
| 17:37.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Very much based on "if"s and "maybe"s, but yes, that is possible. Not certain, but possible. |
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| 17:38.32 | dotted | Zeal curse doesnt go into light mode afaik |
| 17:38.43 | Zeal | it doesn't? used to :s |
| 17:38.53 | Zeal | but either way, it's slow as hell during that time |
| 17:39.26 | Zeal | so the ads rarely even load. most people block the ads anywways, so they're still slowly loosing income. |
| 17:39.56 | Zeal | *some people |
| 17:39.57 | Zeal | :p |
| 17:40.15 | Zeal | yeah.. i block all the cruse ads, heh. |
| 17:40.49 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/designs/Warcraft%20-%20Towards%20the%20End%20(Large%20-%20High%20Quality).zip <-- dotted |
| 17:41.29 | Zeal | but i would say curse probably handles the best of all the sites under the traffic of a patch day. |
| 17:41.41 | Zeal | but it's still hardly usable. |
| 17:42.27 | Zeal | aww montagg subscribed to me. |
| 17:48.24 | *** join/#wowwiki amro_ (n=amro@82.101.184.151) |
| 17:58.29 | Kirkburn|afk | "Mechanical bosses, like the Fel Reaver, are now immune to the Gnomish Universal Remote." |
| 17:58.35 | Adys | ^^ |
| 17:59.08 | Adys | varghedin is a sick, sick, sick guy |
| 17:59.14 | *** join/#wowwiki MechAngel (n=MechAnge@198.150.66.2) |
| 17:59.38 | Tepetkhet | Somebody kited a fel reaver to Falcon Watch last night. |
| 18:00.07 | *** join/#wowwiki MechAngel (n=MechAnge@198.150.66.2) |
| 18:00.11 | Tepetkhet | It annihilated half the guards like they were tissue. |
| 18:00.24 | Tepetkhet | Pounded them flat in one shot. |
| 18:00.53 | MechAngel | Well hello everyone! |
| 18:00.56 | Adys | <- counting varg's edits atm |
| 18:01.03 | Tepetkhet | hi |
| 18:01.09 | Adys | since about 10 mins and i havent finished opening all pages |
| 18:01.31 | Adys | and my browser is gonna crash because of too many tabs i can feel it |
| 18:02.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Very interesting article by a Hollywood scriptwriter regarding WoW - http://johnaugust.com/?p=718 |
| 18:02.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, lol |
| 18:02.41 | Kirkburn|afk | My guess is getting near 30k? :P |
| 18:02.47 | Adys | sigh |
| 18:02.56 | Adys | dont make me depress more, im seriously gonna crash |
| 18:03.05 | Adys | every page i open it freeze the comp for 15 seconds |
| 18:03.32 | *** part/#wowwiki MechAngel (n=MechAnge@198.150.66.2) |
| 18:05.03 | Adys | omfg |
| 18:05.35 | Adys | he has almost 37500 edits |
| 18:09.10 | Kirkburn|afk | ... |
| 18:09.13 | Kirkburn|afk | WOW |
| 18:12.01 | Adys | Im tempted to add [[Category:Wiki Bots]] to his user page :P |
| 18:13.02 | Adys | he has to be extremely precise 37406 edits |
| 18:13.42 | amro | almost 2 edits per hour ever since wow was released |
| 18:13.49 | Adys | LOL |
| 18:14.27 | amro | because of a syntax error first result i got was 1000 :O |
| 18:18.48 | Barbanus | On this page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Honor_Hold the tooltips are all messed up .. if anyone wants to direct me on what needs to be fixed, I wouldn't mind doing the labour part :P |
| 18:19.01 | Adys | Now voidvectorbot is the only one in the 10000club lol |
| 18:20.00 | Adys | barnabus: tbh id drop the tooltips on the faction pages |
| 18:20.03 | Adys | too many to be shown |
| 18:20.27 | Zeal | nooo |
| 18:20.33 | Zeal | stupid wiki |
| 18:20.58 | Barbanus | Adys, hehe |
| 18:21.08 | Adys | I was serious :P |
| 18:21.49 | dotted | thx Zeal downloading :) |
| 18:22.35 | dotted | Adys how many edits do i have? |
| 18:22.56 | Adys | http://www.countityourself.com |
| 18:22.59 | Adys | please>< |
| 18:23.07 | dotted | :( |
| 18:23.14 | Barbanus | Adys, yea I know, I've never edited any wowwiki pages before .. so I'm willing to help .. but I don't want to just make some drastic changes to a page :) |
| 18:23.29 | Adys | Ill do that barbanus dont worry |
| 18:23.46 | Adys | as soon as im done with the .. 25000 seal thing |
| 18:25.01 | Zeal | me personally, i'd delete all those tooltips, replace it with a simple loot list. failing that, do what is doen with cenerion expedition |
| 18:25.09 | Adys | aye |
| 18:25.14 | dotted | woop 523 edits \o/ |
| 18:25.20 | dotted | i'm imba :p |
| 18:25.21 | Tepetkhet | FUCK FUCK FUCK |
| 18:25.27 | Tepetkhet | AARRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH |
| 18:25.36 | Adys | what adjective would one give to someone with 25000 edits, thinking you are soon going to need another similar adjective for the 50000 club? |
| 18:25.40 | Adys | hi Tepetkhet |
| 18:25.43 | Tepetkhet | Sorry. <censors self> |
| 18:25.48 | Zeal | fyi, the erros are because {{<quality>}} templates don't seem to have forgotted to put bits in no include tags |
| 18:26.05 | dotted | Adys Alsome have no life and is near immortal |
| 18:26.06 | Adys | lol |
| 18:26.14 | dotted | ehh |
| 18:26.17 | Zeal | but consdier they were replaced with {{quality|<quality>}} it's irrelevent. |
| 18:26.19 | dotted | i fail at spelling :S |
| 18:26.29 | Zeal | *considering |
| 18:27.18 | Barbanus | Zeal, ahhhhh |
| 18:27.30 | Adys | Im just gonna use legendary member |
| 18:27.45 | Adys | and reserve mindless bot for 50000 |
| 18:27.51 | Barbanus | legendary, then artifact? :P |
| 18:28.00 | dotted | Adys then what for 100000? |
| 18:28.13 | dotted | and 1000000? |
| 18:28.16 | dotted | etc :p |
| 18:28.25 | Barbanus | dotted "member with no life at all" |
| 18:28.27 | Adys | chill dude, it took him 10 months to get to 50 000 edits, we got some time to think |
| 18:28.39 | Adys | omfg thats 5 000 edits a month |
| 18:28.44 | Barbanus | lol |
| 18:30.43 | dotted | 100.000 edit, official member og Wikiaholic Annomous? |
| 18:30.52 | dotted | ok that one sucked |
| 18:31.33 | Zeal | use a mix and match of the old pvp ranks :P |
| 18:31.39 | Zeal | wow aint using them anymore, lol |
| 18:31.43 | Barbanus | 166 edits a day! 7 edits an hour! 1 edit every 8.5 mins! |
| 18:31.57 | dotted | XD |
| 18:32.03 | Barbanus | :P |
| 18:32.35 | dotted | JHE IS THE SOUCE TO 'WOWWIKI HAS A PROBLEM' !!!11ONEONOENEELEVENNIVENSEVEN |
| 18:33.39 | Zeal | lol |
| 18:34.37 | *** join/#wowwiki Whineon (i=TsaKse@87-94-148-172.tampere.customers.dnainternet.fi) |
| 18:34.56 | Barbanus | if your DB can't handle a query every 8.5 mins ... something is wrong :P |
| 18:38.46 | *** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim|work (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 18:39.40 | Zeal | urgh.. some people's concepts of beautiful sicken me.. |
| 18:40.46 | dotted | Barbanus he is not the only ine to edit the wiki :p |
| 18:55.30 | Fin | go on then Adys, give us some stats on people's edits and stuff :) how many have you made? |
| 18:55.40 | Adys | ugh if i knew |
| 18:55.43 | Adys | almost 10k i think |
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| 19:12.03 | Fin | http://www.wowinsider.com/2007/02/20/the-compleat-wow-abbreviations/ |
| 19:13.22 | Fin | does WW have an acronym page? |
| 19:16.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Dare I ask you to look? |
| 19:17.36 | Kirkburn|afk | "compleat" :/ |
| 19:17.42 | Kirkburn|afk | I noticed that earlier |
| 19:17.45 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:18.01 | Kirkburn|afk | We have a Category:Acronyms |
| 19:18.04 | Fin | I can go look, sure. I was *sort* of trying to start a conversation though... |
| 19:18.06 | Zeal | according to that list, you asked if whirlwind has an acronym page ;) |
| 19:18.14 | Fin | :) |
| 19:18.15 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:18.27 | Kirkburn|afk | If there are any missing, do add them (as categorised redirects, normally) |
| 19:18.34 | Zeal | i think the question is, why isn;t wowwiki on that list :P |
| 19:18.40 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 19:19.05 | Kirkburn|afk | WoWWiki itself is a portmanteau, not an acronym. I never say WW :P |
| 19:19.38 | Zeal | i have no idea what that word means.. |
| 19:19.44 | Zeal | and i don't use ww either :p |
| 19:19.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Two words fused together |
| 19:20.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Like many german words |
| 19:20.09 | Zeal | i can guess that it means WoW is already an acronym.. ok not that then |
| 19:20.10 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:20.39 | Kirkburn|afk | WW makes me think of Weight Watchers or Wicked Weasel |
| 19:20.44 | Fin | I just dislike typing wowwiki without capitalising it, but I *also* dislike having to capitalise that many letters alternately in a word (it's just fiddly to type) |
| 19:20.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Um, don't search for the second one if you're at work |
| 19:21.23 | Fin | apologies for the disrespect to the WoWWiki name |
| 19:21.29 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 19:21.31 | Fin | and is it WoWWiki or WoWWiki.com? |
| 19:21.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Former, I guess |
| 19:21.53 | Fin | righto |
| 19:22.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Having said that, all the other endings (.net, .eu, etc) are being cybersquatted |
| 19:22.58 | Zeal | hehe, i stole one of my domains from a cybersqutter apparently |
| 19:23.03 | Zeal | wasn't too happy |
| 19:23.09 | Zeal | but own fault for not renewing. |
| 19:23.20 | Kirkburn|afk | What happened? |
| 19:23.38 | Fin | I think the technical term is "being cybersquit" |
| 19:23.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, wowwiki.co.uk does show anything |
| 19:23.43 | Zeal | guess they forgot, accused me oh ninjaing it basically |
| 19:23.45 | Fin | possibly cybersqut |
| 19:23.50 | Fin | wait, that doesn't work |
| 19:23.53 | Zeal | *of |
| 19:23.59 | Kirkburn|afk | "Being cybersquit" sounds painful |
| 19:24.10 | Fin | it's not very pleasant |
| 19:24.23 | Zeal | when tbh, i just happened to want to register it within the same month they forgot :P |
| 19:25.23 | Fin | [migi:pgl]:~ $ whois wowwiki.cz |
| 19:25.23 | Fin | No data found |
| 19:25.52 | Zeal | oh not again.. |
| 19:25.57 | Kirkburn|afk | We don't have to worry about wowwiki.com being stolen for a loong while |
| 19:26.05 | Kirkburn|afk | It appears to be registered until 2010 |
| 19:26.08 | Zeal | what is it with people editing the guild template.. |
| 19:26.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I thought I locked it?! |
| 19:26.27 | Fin | heh, yeah, I registered one of my domains up until 2012, quite a nice feeling |
| 19:26.46 | Zeal | nope |
| 19:27.03 | Kirkburn|afk | I wonder what I would get if I phoned the registered phone number |
| 19:27.20 | Kirkburn|afk | argh |
| 19:27.26 | Zeal | i like doing it on a 2 year basis |
| 19:27.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Did you just revert it? |
| 19:27.32 | Zeal | yes |
| 19:27.42 | Kirkburn|afk | KK, I'll wait a few mins then :P |
| 19:27.44 | Zeal | well reverting.. stopped at 33% of submit : / |
| 19:27.51 | Zeal | 35.. |
| 19:27.52 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:28.13 | Kirkburn|afk | The .eu and .info addresses are registered to Germany |
| 19:28.28 | Zeal | perhaps the german wiki owners? :S |
| 19:28.49 | Kirkburn|afk | No, it's a different wiki |
| 19:29.00 | Zeal | oh? |
| 19:29.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Take a look |
| 19:29.27 | Kirkburn|afk | .eu is a german guild :/ |
| 19:29.32 | Zeal | its not even a wiki >_> |
| 19:29.33 | Zeal | lol |
| 19:29.35 | Zeal | yeah |
| 19:29.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes it is, a tikiwiki |
| 19:30.08 | Kirkburn|afk | (I'm just going by what it says, I've never heard of it other than on that site) |
| 19:30.22 | Zeal | i've vaguely heard of it |
| 19:30.30 | Zeal | and i was refering ot .eu not being a wiki :P |
| 19:30.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Locked |
| 19:30.51 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right |
| 19:31.01 | Zeal | ok.. |
| 19:31.06 | Zeal | its a tikiwiki too |
| 19:31.09 | Zeal | rofl fair enough |
| 19:31.35 | Zeal | tikiwiki looks crap tbh. its like phpnuke of wiki software.. |
| 19:31.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Actually I think .eu /is/ a wiki, but not a 'normal' one |
| 19:32.18 | Kirkburn|afk | A freaky confusing one. The fact it's german may contribute to that. =) |
| 19:32.29 | Zeal | yeah, its running tikiwiki. but it seems tikiwiki has "non-wiki" modes |
| 19:32.40 | Zeal | indeed, language barrier ftl :P |
| 19:36.28 | Teomyr | "www.wowwiki.eu - The European World of Warcraft Wiki" |
| 19:37.24 | Zeal | *that sucks and is in german instead of the most likely candidates, english and french" ;) |
| 19:37.25 | Teomyr | this is only a wiki in that they abuse their wiki as a CMS |
| 19:37.36 | Zeal | yeah, that's what i thought |
| 19:37.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, that's what I thought |
| 19:37.59 | Kirkburn|afk | wtf |
| 19:38.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Okay, I wasn't aiming to repeat you |
| 19:38.24 | Teomyr | :D |
| 19:38.36 | Zeal | haha |
| 19:38.40 | Zeal | dammit |
| 19:38.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, for fun, take a look at the vandal list for March 2006 |
| 19:38.45 | Teomyr | the "real" german wiki looks promising, but it lacks users and writing style |
| 19:39.09 | Kirkburn|afk | The Manual of Style still isn't guidelined ... |
| 19:39.09 | Zeal | whenever i edit something now, i keep looking for somewhere to put my edit summary before realizing most sites don't use one >_>; |
| 19:39.12 | Kirkburn|afk | (Our) |
| 19:39.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, and I always want to put ~~~~ at the end of a sentence |
| 19:39.49 | Zeal | rofl |
| 19:39.58 | Zeal | and i hope it never does btw Kirkburn|afk ;) |
| 19:40.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Shush |
| 19:40.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Valid concerns only :) |
| 19:41.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, the german wiki link is broken |
| 19:41.33 | Kirkburn|afk | And it's been bought!? |
| 19:42.30 | Teomyr | seems so |
| 19:42.50 | Teomyr | well, but i don't mind, as long as these sucky layered ads are gone ;) |
| 19:43.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Fixed the link |
| 19:43.53 | Kirkburn|afk | The front page is improved than last time I saw it. Previously it was a broken copy of the old(er) WoWWiki front page |
| 19:44.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I hate the colour scheme, tbh |
| 19:44.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Needs toning down |
| 19:45.42 | Zeal | indeed |
| 19:45.50 | Zeal | emulating wow too much as well |
| 19:45.55 | Zeal | i hate fan sites that do that.. |
| 19:46.51 | Teomyr | personally, i think that wowhead has the best layout of all wow database sites |
| 19:47.03 | dotted | qft |
| 19:47.12 | dotted | pity its uptime is dodgey |
| 19:47.17 | Teomyr | their usability is unmatched until now |
| 19:47.21 | Kirkburn|afk | I wonder, why doesn't Blizzard own the Warcraft websites |
| 19:47.21 | dotted | yup |
| 19:47.34 | dotted | and most of the lamers stick to thottbot so thats good |
| 19:47.53 | dotted | why? |
| 19:47.54 | amro | yes comments on wowhead are nice, especially with that contest they held |
| 19:48.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Blizz only own Warcraft.com and .net |
| 19:48.23 | Kirkburn|afk | The contest? |
| 19:48.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Beta keys? |
| 19:49.28 | Teomyr | they had several contests. beta keys, collector's edition, widescreen display... |
| 19:49.43 | Zeal | hm.. if wowhead wasn't ultimately fixed by pixel width, i'd agree on it's layout. but as it's not (and even at the default, theres too much wasted space imo), it's jsut as crap as any other |
| 19:49.59 | Zeal | but, atleast it's neat, tidy and easy on the eyes unlike others |
| 19:50.00 | dotted | and wowhead isnt connectable to gold seeling sites, also a big plus |
| 19:50.20 | Zeal | tbh, i'd say wowhead, design wise, is only slightly above wowwiki. |
| 19:50.23 | Barbanus | that you know of .. anyways :P |
| 19:50.59 | Zeal | we just need to get a decent article layout and the css fixed to beat it.. |
| 19:52.00 | Zeal | i do think wowwiki would benefit with having a banner liek the de one, move one fo the ad boxes up there. |
| 19:52.47 | Zeal | actually here's a thought. Kirkburn|afk, stil don't have access to the css yet right? |
| 19:53.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Indeed not |
| 19:53.39 | Teomyr | different topic: tooltips... i've got the extension working here, but we do need root access to install it |
| 19:54.05 | Teomyr | and a small patch for mediawiki to get the tooltips working with template variables |
| 19:54.42 | Zeal | patch? your own or mediawiki's? |
| 19:55.25 | Zeal | if the former, would you mind explaining what it does and why it needs to be done? :p |
| 19:55.45 | Kirkburn|afk | I do think it would be better to have the ads over the top, yes |
| 19:55.45 | Teomyr | actually, it is a patch by someone else to give parser extensions access to the template variables |
| 19:56.17 | Kirkburn|afk | Lol, my phone is on Battery: 0% |
| 19:56.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh wait, no. |
| 19:56.33 | Kirkburn|afk | It's turned off. |
| 19:56.59 | Kirkburn|afk | It spent its last energy telling me it had no battery |
| 19:57.05 | Zeal | i see teomyr. any idea if it's been adressed in official patches and is it limited to specific versions of mediawiki? |
| 19:57.52 | Teomyr | didn't check for it. it was a bug report and someone suggested this work-around |
| 19:58.02 | Zeal | me nets is awfully slow, or all the sites i'm on are slow.. |
| 19:58.08 | Teomyr | maybe it was never intended to give parser extensions these "powers" |
| 19:58.24 | Zeal | yeah, that's the only thing i'm worried about, security |
| 19:58.37 | Zeal | well that and limiting the wiki version |
| 20:03.10 | Zeal | well Kirkburn|afk, i was thinking of trying out redesigning the wiki. |
| 20:03.27 | Kirkburn|afk | You would, wouldn't you ... :P |
| 20:03.33 | Zeal | i should be able to emulate it all inside an sandbox article |
| 20:03.44 | Zeal | ofc, keep the same colour scheme and basic layout |
| 20:04.19 | Zeal | but add the banner, move ads, fix min and max widths, try out some graphics etc. |
| 20:05.08 | Teomyr | Zeal, look: http://vs157092.vserver.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Tooltip_Template_Test |
| 20:05.14 | Zeal | and hell, even if it doesn't get used, give me experience i need for WoL |
| 20:05.29 | Teomyr | see what i mean? |
| 20:06.18 | Teomyr | the template variables are not substituted |
| 20:06.38 | Zeal | er.. no, because i have no understanding of what's going on specifically. <tooltip trigger="{{{1}}}">{{{2}}}</tooltip> |
| 20:06.43 | Zeal | stupid line break! |
| 20:07.07 | Zeal | that part, means nothing to me :p |
| 20:07.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Because I love cross-posting: |
| 20:07.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh this is AWESOME ... "In response to Tim Hardaways "I hate gays" comments, George Takei (Mr. Sulu) makes this public response to him." http://www.influks.com/post897.html |
| 20:07.23 | Teomyr | that page calls {{Tooltip|foo|bar}} |
| 20:07.36 | Teomyr | Template:Tooltip is <tooltip trigger="{{{1}}}">{{{2}}}</tooltip> |
| 20:07.56 | Teomyr | that *should* result in <tooltip trigger="foo">bar</tooltip> |
| 20:07.59 | Zeal | what does trigger="{{{1}}}" do exactly? |
| 20:08.27 | Teomyr | trigger is the text that shows the tooltip on mouseover |
| 20:08.56 | Zeal | nvm, reading source |
| 20:09.27 | Zeal | that like.. makes no sense to me :S |
| 20:09.45 | Zeal | ie, why it wouldn't get replaced to foo and bar before the parser even gets to it. |
| 20:10.07 | Zeal | my sky HD boxes is making bad noises.. |
| 20:10.14 | Zeal | *box |
| 20:11.15 | Zeal | hm.. actually, i guess {{{1}}} gets replaced on compiling the page. so the replacement doesn't occur until after a parser extension can get to it. |
| 20:12.00 | Zeal | and once it enters the parser extention.. it's no longer considered a variable.. |
| 20:12.09 | Zeal | something stupid like that.. |
| 20:12.36 | Teomyr | i think it's because the parser-extension tags (like <imagelink> and <tooltip>) are considered a "parser-free zone" or something like that :D |
| 20:13.18 | Teomyr | the parser passes them to the extensions and basically says: do what you want with it. the extension needs to do all substitutions by itself |
| 20:13.25 | Teomyr | which is... bad :o |
| 20:17.36 | Zeal | Teomyr, question.. why can't you simply use {{tooltip:}} instead? |
| 20:17.57 | Zeal | just makes more sense to me, and the template has no reason to exist tbh. |
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| 20:18.04 | Zeal | *as the |
| 20:18.17 | Teomyr | the template is just to illustrate this limitation ;) |
| 20:18.21 | Zeal | i see |
| 20:18.43 | Zeal | what implementation are you proposing then? |
| 20:19.02 | Teomyr | i tried to use the {{tooltip:...}} syntax once |
| 20:19.05 | Zeal | and does the limitation come into play with it? |
| 20:19.19 | Teomyr | but i think that version doesn't allow raw html/javascript output, not sure |
| 20:21.05 | Zeal | hm.. well i would suggest checking more on {{tooltip: }} as it'd be a more desirable implementation imo. |
| 20:21.30 | Teomyr | agreed |
| 20:21.57 | Teomyr | i hope mediawiki agrees with me too :D |
| 20:22.04 | Zeal | aye, lol |
| 20:24.35 | Teomyr | hrmm |
| 20:25.15 | Teomyr | but then i'd have to cut down on parameters :/ |
| 20:27.04 | Teomyr | aww, no chance |
| 20:27.36 | Teomyr | can't insert javascript using these function hooks :( |
| 20:28.14 | Teomyr | it is escaped by mediawiki |
| 20:28.26 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm gonna watch some good old-fashioned Bean |
| 20:31.26 | Zeal | oh? that's lame : / |
| 20:31.44 | Zeal | to both tbh :p |
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| 20:37.36 | Teomyr | Reallocated Sector Count: 2156 FAIL |
| 20:37.45 | Teomyr | guess i should swap that drive soon |
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| 20:43.06 | Zeal | hehe |
| 20:43.28 | Zeal | well i'm gunna go watch tv (SGA ftw!), then take a shower. bbl |
| 20:53.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Even better - http://www.iklipz.com/MovieDetail.aspx?MovieID=60147a03-9f64-4a18-b3eb-a2bf9190e1b2 |
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| 22:17.42 | Kirkburn|afk | Apparently quest ids are not always regular across database sites |
| 22:19.27 | Kirkburn|afk | The sheer bloody cheek of Angry ogre!! |
| 22:19.28 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User_talk:Kirkburn&action=history |
| 22:19.46 | Kirkburn|afk | Telling me I can't delete his comments from MY talk page. |
| 22:19.51 | Shadowed | haha |
| 22:19.57 | Shadowed | wow |
| 22:22.40 | Kirkburn|afk | His move. Let's see what happens next in the wild ride :P |
| 22:28.30 | zeal | i would have said the same thing in his position, but then i wouldn't be in his position. lol |
| 22:32.11 | Fin | "You can't just delete my comment for no reason" - "Oh yes I damn well can" - hehe, top |
| 22:38.35 | Kirkburn|afk | zeal, if he doesn't realise how fed up I am with him by now ... I don't know |
| 22:38.56 | Shadowed | didn't you say you were going to ban him |
| 22:39.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Can't |
| 22:39.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Not in good concience |
| 22:39.56 | Shadowed | make up rules |
| 22:41.34 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 22:43.50 | bleetah | fwiw, I refuse to believe that any race which allows you to kill cats is evil |
| 22:44.13 | bleetah | (anyone who's spent some time in Silvermoon City knows it ;-) |
| 22:46.14 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
| 23:06.32 | winkiller | oh. wow-eu just... vanished |
| 23:06.41 | winkiller | disconnect. website not reachable |
| 23:07.58 | zeal | huh? |
| 23:08.23 | zeal | if you mean wow-eu.com or wow-europe.com they are both working fine. |
| 23:08.28 | winkiller | maybe my provider. |
| 23:08.47 | winkiller | site seems to be working again |
| 23:09.22 | winkiller | ah, ok again |
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| 23:17.13 | Sky2042 | i'm back, with the usual question that motivates me to get on |
| 23:17.56 | Sky2042 | would it be a good idea to move http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Burning_Crusade%27s_Rumored_Races to a page like [[Possible future races in WoW]]? |
| 23:19.01 | Sky2042 | That way, we don't have to redo an entire article; we just have to edit out the older information in favor of newer... :/ |
| 23:20.05 | zeal | imo, yes |
| 23:20.17 | zeal | bbs |
| 23:20.43 | Sky2042 | bbs? |
| 23:20.46 | Sky2042 | oh, nvm |
| 23:20.59 | Sky2042 | i'm familiar with bbl... :X |
| 23:27.14 | Bejitt | the manual of style should apply to pretty much everything right? |
| 23:27.43 | Bejitt | er, *pretty much all articles |
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| 23:30.06 | Sky2042 | most of them |
| 23:30.11 | Sky2042 | pretty sure its a guideline |
| 23:30.14 | Sky2042 | why? |
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| 23:31.44 | Bejitt | ,prolly not a big deal, but http://www.wowwiki.com/Boilerplate:Talents and a lot of talent pages have a ==header== at their beginnings |
| 23:32.31 | Bejitt | "The lead should not be explicitly entitled == Introduction == or any equivalent header." -Style |
| 23:32.55 | Sky2042 | you bring up a good point. you should prolly edit the boilerplate ;p |
| 23:33.06 | Bejitt | ;x |
| 23:33.11 | Bejitt | i think i will |
| 23:33.16 | Sky2042 | and all the others >_< |
| 23:33.39 | Bejitt | haha |
| 23:33.40 | Bejitt | wtb bot |
| 23:33.55 | Sky2042 | truth |
| 23:37.08 | Bejitt | also, are 61+ spells/abilities considered BC content? iirc you can see them w/out a BC account at the trainers |
| 23:39.23 | Sky2042 | i doubt that i should answer that :x |
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| 23:40.40 | Bejitt | haha |
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