| 00:42.50 | Zeal | lo all |
| 00:43.30 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, cool @ bbc stuff. If the world, or evne our own goverment was run like bbc news is, the world would be a much better place imo. |
| 00:43.51 | Zeal | those warcraft merchandise from jinx all look utter shite imo.. |
| 00:47.34 | Zeal | cool |
| 00:47.49 | Zeal | script seems to have improved a bit |
| 00:47.52 | bleetah | SBS News Australia craps all over any BBC News service I've seen |
| 00:48.03 | Zeal | in what way? |
| 00:49.12 | bleetah | style, content, presentation. the lot, really. their charter is to serve the diverse cultures in the aussie community, so they actively go out of their way to find stories from around the worlds' foreign language services, etc. |
| 00:49.32 | bleetah | it was the one thing I truly missed when I was overseas |
| 00:51.29 | bleetah | http://www.worldnewsaustralia.com.au/ |
| 00:52.17 | bleetah | of course, being such a small broadcaster they don't have as much broadcast time as the BBC, but news and current affairs should be about the quality of content, not the amount. |
| 00:52.50 | bleetah | after 6 months around hotel rooms, I couldn't really tell much of a difference in production between BBC News 24 and CNN.. apart from the accents |
| 00:53.06 | Zeal | well it's the quality, and methods implace to improve the quality that i praise BBC for. |
| 00:53.13 | Zeal | rofl |
| 00:53.18 | Zeal | CNN is awful |
| 00:53.20 | bleetah | and the slightly more restarined British way of doing things.. buch largely it was just the same guff repeated ad infinitum |
| 00:54.24 | Zeal | with CNN, there's no such thing as world news.. it's laughable. and all the reports they do are highly biased and not properly researched. |
| 00:54.53 | Zeal | that goes for any large american news network. |
| 00:55.24 | bleetah | the BBC are also known for not properly researching stuff, but I do agree their base standards are higher |
| 00:55.32 | Zeal | BBC, why not always doing the best of jobs, they do try to remain unbiased, and do report on mostly world news. |
| 00:55.42 | Zeal | *while not |
| 00:56.03 | bleetah | it's no suprise that US networks are crap ;) |
| 00:56.43 | Zeal | but where i think BBC does things right, is they have the system in place, or criticizwe themselves, let people criticize them, and actually listen to their viewers as to ways of improving. |
| 00:56.59 | Zeal | *to criticize themselves |
| 00:58.51 | Zeal | i like that they do have a larger, general public board that decides what stories make it to air, what stories should be reported on, what stories should be the headliners. |
| 00:58.59 | bleetah | that ties back to the difference between public and commercial broadcasting 'how far can we go before we piss off our advertisers' vs 'how far can we go before we piss off our viewers'. Whilst the former has a correlation involving the latter, they're two distinct matters, really |
| 00:59.17 | Zeal | aye |
| 00:59.27 | bleetah | *public -> the UK/Au sense, provided out of tax dollars, not 'public' -> homebrew |
| 00:59.31 | Zeal | BBC doesn't have to worry about advertising :) |
| 00:59.49 | bleetah | well, I'm sure they advertise their own DVDs, books, and the like, just like the ABC |
| 00:59.55 | bleetah | *ABC Australia |
| 00:59.56 | Zeal | that is a good point i didn't consider. |
| 01:00.05 | Zeal | yeah, they do. |
| 01:00.15 | bleetah | which then leads to interesting scenarios like recently happened here because the ABC said such and such's book wouldn't be commercially viable |
| 01:00.28 | Zeal | but the nice thing about that, is it's contextual advertising, it is always relevent to what you're watching. |
| 01:00.48 | bleetah | that the book was about one of australia's most controversial radio broadcasters who has direct telephone line to the PM, etc., and had hidden his private life a lot yet abused others and outed them... |
| 01:01.13 | bleetah | so, anyways, the ABC said 'not commercial', so they dropped the book. ANother publisher picked it up, and it was on the best-seller list at christmas time |
| 01:01.24 | Zeal | :S |
| 01:01.29 | bleetah | there are lingering arguments that the decision to drop the book was political, and not commercial |
| 01:02.10 | bleetah | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Jones_%28radio_broadcaster%29#Jonestown |
| 01:02.43 | bleetah | (fwiw, the journo who wrote the book is probably the most respected journo for investigating corruption and the like in the country, so it wasn't just written by a 'no-one') |
| 01:03.22 | Zeal | fwiw? |
| 01:03.32 | bleetah | for what it's worth |
| 01:03.35 | Zeal | ah |
| 01:03.42 | Zeal | and yeah, bad move imo |
| 01:04.19 | bleetah | it's a good example of how even in public broadcasting journalism, things can get as ugly as commercial |
| 01:05.50 | Zeal | anyways, while i think organizations should listen to viewers, i don't thin kthey should ever bow to user damands. most people are stupid and biased, should never bow to preasure from such people just to please them, when it goes against basic neutrality concepts your organization should be following. kinda why i'm pissed off about the mohamad cartoon stuff. |
| 01:06.09 | Zeal | britain recently showed how stupid most of us are, with the big brother racisim claims |
| 01:08.00 | bleetah | I hate to say it, but the English, to me at least when I was working in Europe, did appear to be the most racist bunch of folks I'd ever stumbled across. Sure, there were lots of real nice english people, but when i struck the racists, they were incredibly racist |
| 01:08.31 | bleetah | was working in Marseille around 2000, or so... these english workers for Airbus staying in the hotel I was at, were defending the english fan's right to riot |
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| 01:08.56 | bleetah | what got me was they were working for a foreign firm... :/ |
| 01:09.37 | bleetah | but, as I say, I know a lot of english aren't like that... just I think the BB exposed what a lot of english people fear, that there is still a real deep seated racism going on over there, that like here in Aus, we don't really discuss |
| 01:09.48 | Zeal | ignorance breeds racist comments, but they must be taken into context. racist comments or insults should never be a criminal offense however, merely a moral one. everything should be open to crticism and satire, be it religion, race or political figures. |
| 01:10.36 | bleetah | depends whether such comments incite people to commit illegal acts |
| 01:10.45 | Zeal | no |
| 01:10.57 | Zeal | i don't beleive in incite being criminal |
| 01:11.01 | Barbanus | What are you guys talking about? :P |
| 01:11.08 | bleetah | Barbanus: stuff :P |
| 01:11.19 | Zeal | people will interpret and act on what they want. they have themselves to blame. |
| 01:11.19 | Barbanus | You talking about the Canadian law? |
| 01:11.26 | Zeal | nope. |
| 01:11.36 | bleetah | zeal: personally, I don't. but there's a lot of real stupid out there who'd believe the moon was made of green cheese if you told them |
| 01:11.46 | Zeal | we were talking about news channels, not it;s about racism and such :p |
| 01:12.08 | bleetah | and would then try and find a way to get themselves to the moon to try and sell the stuff |
| 01:12.10 | Zeal | aye bleetah. i think those people should be punished, not the instigator. |
| 01:12.28 | Zeal | everyone is accountable for their own actions |
| 01:13.47 | Zeal | if someone wants to preach terrorism, i can think they're a dick, i can criticize them, but i don't think they should be put in jail for it. the fact they are more than likely involved in terrorist acts and organization of them however is likely anyways. |
| 01:14.06 | Barbanus | Zeal, ahh, I was just refering to the canadian law that states "It is now illegal to publicly incite hatred against people based on their colour, race, religion, ethnic origin, and sexual orientation." |
| 01:14.18 | Barbanus | which is basically what you are talking about :) |
| 01:14.24 | Zeal | yeah, we've got that law here too now : / |
| 01:14.39 | Zeal | only one person been charged with it so far |
| 01:15.20 | Barbanus | I personally think its a good thing |
| 01:15.33 | bleetah | so, basically what you're saying, is that it was right for the Nazi's to incite Germans to do what they did during WW2, and it was the actions of the lower ranks who were at fault, and absolve the upper command? |
| 01:15.39 | Zeal | oh no, a person at a public political event stood up and criticized the politician and incited terrorism ¬_¬ |
| 01:15.55 | Zeal | no, because they organized |
| 01:16.01 | Montagg | I only like the Nazi's because they produced Roman Polanski. |
| 01:16.08 | Zeal | taking a action, and not taking an action is the difference. |
| 01:16.38 | Barbanus | well in canadian law .. you cant be convicted if the statements are true |
| 01:16.59 | bleetah | I kinda appreciated the nazis for giving us a decent magnetic recording medium |
| 01:17.02 | Zeal | basically, people can beleive wtf they want, but until they do something that harms another, i don't think they should be punished for those beliefs. |
| 01:17.30 | Zeal | well what the guy said was true, but a biased point of view on it. |
| 01:18.13 | bleetah | if I do something that directly causes someone else to cause harm to another, I'm innocent? |
| 01:18.22 | bleetah | hah |
| 01:18.31 | Karrion | Zeal: can't the very act of saying something be hurtful, though? |
| 01:19.20 | Zeal | imo no. if you can't take criticism or a joke, even if it's intent was to harm, i don't feel that's something you should be punished for. |
| 01:19.39 | Zeal | if they want to smack you in the face for saying it, fair enough :P |
| 01:19.58 | bleetah | if I say to Karrion: 'This is how you get the cash together to go meet zeal and kill him', and Karrion says 'ooh, I like that idea, never thought of that before', I'm not at all responsible? |
| 01:20.44 | Zeal | bleetah, you can never directly control someones actions, their actions are their own, so no. if you do something to aid in their actions, then yes. |
| 01:21.04 | Zeal | no, you're not bleetah :p |
| 01:21.15 | bleetah | I think you should really read 'Manufacturing Consent' ;) |
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| 01:21.32 | bleetah | it's pretty dang easy to get people to do stuff they wouldn't normally do |
| 01:21.33 | Zeal | actually, i take that back you are |
| 01:21.46 | Zeal | you gave him the plans to kill me :p |
| 01:21.50 | bleetah | take a look at the fake prisoner experiment done in the US by those psychologists |
| 01:22.08 | bleetah | turned normal well adjusted people into.. well.. not much better than animals in under what was it? 14 days? |
| 01:22.13 | Zeal | unless it;s an article online bleetah, i won;t be reading it. |
| 01:22.31 | Zeal | *it's |
| 01:22.35 | bleetah | so, cut out all written word pre, what, 1980? |
| 01:23.08 | Zeal | well mind control isn't well research field bleetah, that would have to be case by case verdict until it is. |
| 01:23.29 | Zeal | *and brain washing |
| 01:23.35 | bleetah | which is why there are now laws regarding incitement. each one would have to be tested on it's merits |
| 01:23.54 | bleetah | whereas before, without the laws, there was either no test or a blank charge of .. something elswe |
| 01:24.00 | Zeal | nah, i don't see why people should be put into that process for nothing |
| 01:24.07 | Karrion | fair critisism or joke, sure... but what about pure racism? If I got up in public and started ranting about, say, blacks, or protestants, or wiki authors, it's freedom of speech; but if i then go slightly further and start saying that I think they should... be killed, or have their possessions confiscated, or whatever, that would cause those people real fear, which is a direct harm to their quality of life |
| 01:24.08 | Zeal | it should be handled by existing laws |
| 01:24.49 | Karrion | it's a fine line, certainly |
| 01:24.59 | Zeal | you're charging inoccents under the name of something that is inoccent in order to charge them under an existing offense. |
| 01:25.07 | Zeal | backwards tbh and over zealous. |
| 01:25.47 | bleetah | half the problem is we have way more powerful tools of communications at our hands than even 15 years ago. the other half of the problem is blinkered lawmakers out to try and get anyone under the new laws (witness that Canadian guy who recently got found to not be a terrorist, etc.) |
| 01:26.14 | Zeal | Karrion, if someone wants to live in fear of terrorism, that's their fault. |
| 01:26.29 | Zeal | i'm zealous, not overly so ;) |
| 01:27.09 | Karrion | I kind of agree and kind of disagree with that |
| 01:27.24 | Karrion | (with "if someone wants to live in fear of terrorism, that's their fault" ;-) |
| 01:27.43 | Zeal | simply reporting said person, and letting the police check if they have been involved or plan to be involved in killing you or w/e is the proper coarse of action. |
| 01:28.25 | bleetah | whilst I'd agree that a multple rape and torture victim may have issues dealing with men who aren't rapist or torturers, to solely place their mistrust of males at their own feet and not at that of the rapists and torturers, is illogical. if the person hadn't been raped in the first place.... :/ |
| 01:28.45 | Karrion | It's certainly possible to cause fear in another person, fear is not a rational things, it's an autonomic response |
| 01:28.53 | bleetah | and on that note, I gtg buy clothes for a wedding this weekend.. ttfn |
| 01:29.02 | Zeal | i know, but i don't think someone should be punished for it. |
| 01:29.14 | Zeal | ttyl bleetah |
| 01:29.23 | Karrion | later bleetah |
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| 01:30.06 | Karrion | if they're going out of their way to cause fear, I think they should be punished |
| 01:30.18 | Karrion | hell, that's what the original meaning of terrorism was |
| 01:30.24 | Karrion | but on a smaller scale it |
| 01:30.35 | Zeal | right now, i'm not scared of bleetah or you coming to kill me, but i could easily report a death threat so police could keep an eye on it and check if it was legitimate if i was so inclined ;) |
| 01:30.42 | Karrion | 's also why death threats are illegal even if you don't carry though on it |
| 01:31.00 | Zeal | yeah i don't think death threats should be illegal |
| 01:31.12 | Zeal | majority of them are idle anyways |
| 01:31.24 | Barbanus | ... heh, I totally disagree with you |
| 01:32.23 | Karrion | yeah my point is that even on their own, without followthrough, they cause harm to the person threatened, to whit, their mental state |
| 01:32.58 | Zeal | i would consider that a weak person to allow it effect them so severly |
| 01:33.04 | Barbanus | Karrion, agreed. |
| 01:33.29 | Karrion | you've obviously never been in that kind of situation, then |
| 01:33.48 | Zeal | death threat, not really. bullying perhaps. |
| 01:34.05 | Barbanus | Zeal, if a 6'4" 220lb man approached a 100 lb lady in a subway, and said "I'm going to kill you" ... and you were that lady.... what would you do. |
| 01:34.15 | Zeal | call the police? |
| 01:34.16 | Barbanus | Laws are there to protect from extremes. |
| 01:34.27 | Barbanus | And that man should not be arrested? |
| 01:34.35 | Barbanus | I certainly think he should be |
| 01:34.59 | Barbanus | The woman would be scared shitless ... especially if nothing was done because its "not illegal" |
| 01:35.14 | Zeal | no, they should check up on the mans record and as precaution, a temporary restriction on his contact with her if suspected. |
| 01:35.48 | Zeal | ie, make him wait for the next train or something |
| 01:35.56 | Zeal | and alert police at the destination. |
| 01:39.09 | Zeal | if it helps, eventually, that guy's record would build up, to a point where he would become detained, and then for longer nad longer periods of time for each time. |
| 01:40.04 | Zeal | not because of what he did was wrong, but because it is the only way to deal with him. *thinks of angry ogre again* |
| 01:40.27 | Barbanus | record? its not illegal. |
| 01:40.49 | Zeal | doesn't have to be illegal to go on a record. |
| 01:41.39 | Karrion | I totally disagree that what he did (hypothetically) was not wrong |
| 01:42.02 | Karrion | I'm not saying he should go to jail for just that, but it's still wrong |
| 01:43.20 | Zeal | theres morally wrong, and criminally wrong |
| 01:43.26 | Zeal | the former, sure. |
| 01:43.30 | Zeal | but not the latter |
| 01:43.57 | Zeal | bbc news :P |
| 01:45.31 | Zeal | theres only a few basic criminal things imo. murder, and theft.. that's about it. |
| 01:45.40 | Karrion | ok, then I put it to you that something crosses the line into criminally wrong when it occasions harm, be that harm material, physical or mental/psychological |
| 01:45.58 | Karrion | it seems to be the psychological part we disagree about |
| 01:46.17 | Zeal | yeah, i think the mental harm is not the sole fault of the perpetrator, therefore should not be criminal |
| 01:46.39 | Karrion | see, I don't think "sole" fault is required |
| 01:46.45 | Zeal | i do |
| 01:47.38 | Zeal | the severity of the harm can change based on the weaknesses of the victim, in no direct correlation to what the perpetrator did. |
| 01:47.39 | Karrion | so, if you left your door unlocked one day, and came home to find your TV missing, the theft wouldn't be criminal because you contributed a small part of the fault? |
| 01:48.10 | Karrion | law exists to protect the weak, as well as the strong |
| 01:48.25 | Zeal | correct. |
| 01:48.35 | Karrion | in fact it could be argued that it _only_ exists to protect the weak, because the strong can take care of themselves |
| 01:48.50 | Barbanus | Karrion, it does |
| 01:49.00 | Barbanus | Laws are there to protect the extreme cases. |
| 01:49.08 | Zeal | if you can't determine the severity of the action because of the victim, then it can't be an offense. |
| 01:49.49 | Zeal | though really, it can be determined with your theft analogy |
| 01:49.53 | Zeal | so it can be. |
| 01:50.14 | Zeal | so what i said was wrong >_> |
| 01:50.51 | Karrion | generally it's the intent of the perpetrator that matters, not the effect on the victim |
| 01:51.28 | Barbanus | its also the "potential effect" |
| 01:51.36 | Zeal | no |
| 01:51.41 | Zeal | because that can;t be gauged |
| 01:52.04 | Karrion | it is, every day, in court rooms around the world |
| 01:52.17 | Zeal | yeah, which is fucked up |
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| 01:53.19 | Barbanus | yelling "FIRE" in a crowded theatre is a good example. |
| 01:53.21 | Zeal | lets ask a handfull of people how they think this victim might have been effected.. yeah that's fair justic ¬_¬ |
| 01:53.32 | Zeal | *justice |
| 01:53.44 | Barbanus | the effect doesnt matter ..... you are charged because of the potential effect you could of had. |
| 01:54.05 | Zeal | the potential effect can't be gauged any more than the real effect |
| 01:54.29 | Zeal | do you go to the extreme and say the victim could have been lead to suicide? |
| 01:54.42 | Zeal | wtf kind of justice is that when the victim is standing right there? |
| 01:55.49 | Zeal | it could have made them go on mass murdering spree because of what you did? or what's that, they didn't?! but they might have intended to! ¬_¬ |
| 01:57.49 | Zeal | wtf@ at fandylic.. |
| 01:57.50 | Barbanus | the falsely shouting fire in a movie theatre is an example of that tho ... you can cause a riot where people COULD be seriously injured. |
| 01:58.20 | Zeal | because of their own neglect and beleif in the person's good intentions? |
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| 01:58.40 | Karrion | not necessarily their own neglect, also the neglect of others around them |
| 01:59.09 | Karrion | someone shouts fire!, I think, "yeah right", but 50 other people believe it and trample me... |
| 01:59.10 | Zeal | "oh no, fire? fuck everyone else, i don't care if i hurt them i want to live!" |
| 01:59.31 | Zeal | yes. lets also charge that crowd because they intend to hurt others.. |
| 01:59.46 | Zeal | *intended |
| 01:59.47 | Karrion | self-preservation is a normal human response |
| 02:00.12 | Zeal | and that justifies harm and possible murder? |
| 02:00.30 | Zeal | well done, you just made an argument to release all murders.. |
| 02:00.56 | Karrion | the crowd had no intent to hurt others, but the person who yelled fire! (unless they had a genuine beliefe that there WAS a fire) did have an intent to cause a panic |
| 02:01.24 | Karrion | well, self-defense IS a legal defense |
| 02:01.27 | Zeal | i just proved they did have intent |
| 02:01.33 | Zeal | not desire, but they did have intent |
| 02:01.45 | Zeal | yeah.. self-defense laws are retarded too |
| 02:02.19 | Karrion | huh? If I'm being attacked, I'm not allowed to fight back to protect myself?? |
| 02:02.37 | Barbanus | there is a limit on self defense |
| 02:02.38 | bleetah | zeal: don't you wish you hadn't mentioned BB? ;) :p |
| 02:02.43 | Barbanus | when it turns into murder |
| 02:02.56 | Barbanus | well a homicide of some soft |
| 02:02.59 | Barbanus | sort* |
| 02:03.12 | Barbanus | manslaughter probably |
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| 02:03.21 | Adys | morning everyone |
| 02:03.21 | Zeal | Karrion, atm, most self-defense laws can charge you for using excessive force to prevent death. |
| 02:03.46 | Barbanus | You are allowed to protect yourself to the point of no longer being in harm |
| 02:03.56 | Karrion | yes, the idea is you're allowed to use necessary but not excessive force |
| 02:03.58 | Barbanus | anything above that, you can be criminally charged for. |
| 02:04.10 | Zeal | sadly.. it's not |
| 02:04.19 | Zeal | the laws can still charge you over that |
| 02:04.31 | Karrion | where necessary is defined in terms of what you believe, and whether a reasonable person would believe differently |
| 02:05.04 | Karrion | also, we should be careful to distinguish "charge" and "convict" ;-) |
| 02:05.19 | Barbanus | There is cases where someone has been attacked in a car with a baseball bat, and ran the person over. |
| 02:05.21 | Zeal | if someone has a gun pointed at me, i should have the right to use any force needed to prevent it. making the choice to kill the person to prevent you should not be punished for. |
| 02:05.51 | Zeal | because that's equal force. |
| 02:06.14 | Zeal | and no bleetah, i'm fine with these long talks |
| 02:06.20 | Barbanus | Yes, but if you disarm them, and knock them to the ground |
| 02:06.25 | Barbanus | and then pick up the gun and shoot them |
| 02:06.29 | Zeal | i learn new things i didn't consider, i get my toughts straight. i enjoy it. |
| 02:06.30 | Barbanus | thats not justified. |
| 02:06.44 | Zeal | no it's not |
| 02:06.57 | bleetah | zeal: cool :) |
| 02:07.03 | Karrion | yes, and the jury would be asked to decide whether you could reasonably be expected to believe that the extent of force was necessary to avoid harm |
| 02:07.16 | Zeal | but if the person keeps trying to kill you, to the point you've had to beat them to a bloody pulp until they stop, you shouldn't be charged either |
| 02:08.07 | Karrion | again, you should use "convict" there |
| 02:08.25 | Zeal | any force to avoid death is just imo. the level of force you choose to attempt first should not be argued. |
| 02:08.31 | Zeal | nah, charging |
| 02:08.32 | Barbanus | I really really doubt you would ever be convicted of that, in the way you have described. |
| 02:08.41 | Karrion | you can be charged if the police/prosecutors think there is a reasonble liklihood of getting a conviction |
| 02:08.49 | Zeal | i'm saying this stuff should never even be charged |
| 02:09.06 | Zeal | Barbanus, people have |
| 02:09.33 | Zeal | wasn't long ago someone in america did, why i still have this fresh in my mind :P |
| 02:09.36 | Zeal | cos i discussed it then |
| 02:10.24 | Zeal | iirc, got held up with a gun, he did the old palm to the base of nose trick, killed the guy instantly. convicted of murder |
| 02:11.44 | Karrion | well, that's exactly the kind of thing that a jury needs to be asked to decide, so it has to be charged |
| 02:11.57 | Karrion | was the jury correct in that instance? I can't answer that |
| 02:12.25 | Barbanus | I bet you the procecution proved that he was totally capable of disarming him..... and in that case, its excessive force.... for example a high level blackbelt ninja :P |
| 02:12.42 | Zeal | iirc, he was barbanus |
| 02:12.53 | Zeal | which is what further pissed me off |
| 02:13.22 | Karrion | it could also be excessive if the guy chose to kill, deliberately, when simply giving the money would have been sufficient defense |
| 02:13.35 | Barbanus | Karrion, yes. |
| 02:13.41 | Karrion | in other words, killing is excessive if you're concerned about your cash, not your life ;-) |
| 02:14.01 | Karrion | but I'm not familiar with the case, so I can't say what happened |
| 02:14.19 | Zeal | he used equal force, i think he was justified, should never have been even charged. they claimed because his hands could be considered a deadly weapon, it was considered murder. which is ridiculous, because he was defending from a deadly weapon. |
| 02:14.21 | Karrion | like I say, it has to be charged so the court can decide |
| 02:15.03 | Zeal | well as you say, the laws are there for the weak |
| 02:15.14 | Zeal | sadly, it also means they punish the strong.. |
| 02:17.04 | Karrion | anyway, need food, back later |
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| 02:18.26 | bleetah | in any legal system, there will be innocents found guilty, and guilties found innocent. it's up to the government to act upon the decisions of juries to modify the laws as the community see fit. 'i'd rather have a guilty man walk free than an innocent put in gaol', and that stuff. |
| 02:19.04 | bleetah | if the law isn't changed due to what appears to be a stupid decision by a jury, it's not the fault of the law itself, rather that of the community who allows the government to continue on without changing it |
| 02:19.43 | bleetah | and if it's a stupid law in the first place, it's the community's fault - not that of the law in of itself |
| 02:21.22 | bleetah | Witness the growing australian reaction to the continued detention of our remaining national in Guantanamo. 5 years without being charged? Someone's created some real stupid laws. |
| 02:25.54 | Zeal | well bleetah, this is why i speak up when and where i can |
| 02:26.53 | Zeal | a world where inoccents are detained and charged under laws to catch the guilty, i'm not happy |
| 02:27.25 | Zeal | blanket laws are never good, as they invade into people's personal lives. |
| 02:28.46 | Karrion | (back) |
| 02:29.00 | Karrion | oh god, don't get me started on the Hicks fiasco |
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| 02:29.21 | Karrion | and aren't laws by their very nature blanket? |
| 02:30.16 | bleetah | Karrion: I won't let you get started, as I feel you'd agree with my statement 'fiasco doesn't even begin... and I seriously wonder about the others detained there, too' |
| 02:33.18 | Karrion | yeah... even if he _is_ guilty of whatever-they-are-planning-to-charge-him-with-sometime-in-the-next-five-years... |
| 02:35.05 | Zeal | most are, but i don;t think it's the nature of laws, and nor should it be. |
| 02:35.13 | Zeal | *but i don't |
| 02:35.53 | bleetah | most are what? |
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| 02:40.03 | Zeal | blanket |
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| 02:42.32 | bleetah | ah, good. it wasn't 'most are' in relation to what I suspected you might've been saying (ie, 'most in guantanamo are guilty') as I'd then descend into a tirade against you asking for the evidence ;) |
| 02:42.52 | bleetah | as I hear the US Ambassador to Australia is receiving this exact treatment from our media today |
| 02:43.19 | Zeal | rofl |
| 02:44.03 | bleetah | the dickhead admitted yesterday he hasn't read the security treaty between Aus/NZ/US |
| 02:44.03 | bleetah | altohugh, think I may have mentioned that earlier |
| 02:44.03 | Zeal | O_o |
| 02:44.14 | Zeal | if you want to, next i can bitch about how awful the eu is |
| 02:44.17 | Zeal | :p |
| 02:44.58 | Zeal | btw, back to what i said earlier. what basic forms of criminal acts can you think of? |
| 02:45.01 | Zeal | i only got two |
| 02:45.04 | bleetah | personally, I think it's done good for Europe. I mean to say, at least you haven't had a continent wide war for a few years ;) |
| 02:45.13 | Zeal | haha |
| 02:45.33 | Zeal | most people here would beg to differ, especially in the uk |
| 02:45.50 | Zeal | onyl things we've appreciated from it is trade agreements, which we could have done from outside it. |
| 02:46.03 | Zeal | and with alot less red tape |
| 02:46.11 | Zeal | and invasion into our own laws |
| 02:46.37 | Zeal | we have better trade agreements with america than we do with europe.. |
| 02:47.30 | Zeal | wowwiki hath ein problem |
| 02:47.52 | Zeal | *einen problemo heh |
| 02:48.06 | bleetah | it can't be an invasion into your own laws, as you guys legally signed up to the Union. If you'd been invaded and had the laws forced upon you, different matter :-P |
| 02:48.09 | Zeal | its fun to mess with languages and make up words. |
| 02:48.19 | bleetah | ie, it's the community's fault |
| 02:48.46 | Zeal | basically, the laws are decided within the eu, and people of the uk have no say. |
| 02:48.59 | Zeal | we are forced to take on the laws of the eu |
| 02:49.06 | Zeal | even if the uk choose to vote against it. |
| 02:49.25 | Zeal | evne if the uk people say they don't want it. |
| 02:49.50 | Zeal | because both leading parties in the country thought they could change the eu from within |
| 02:49.53 | Zeal | which they can't |
| 02:51.09 | Zeal | the one in power is divided in what they want to do now, the other wants to stay in and keep trying, and the smaller parties want to leave. |
| 02:51.40 | Adys | Editing is becoming a real PITA with this slowdown and permanent errors |
| 02:51.57 | Zeal | and yet we've still got another er.. 4 years? until we can remove them : / |
| 02:52.08 | Zeal | aye adys |
| 02:52.42 | Zeal | adys, hows politics in france? |
| 02:52.45 | Zeal | :p |
| 02:52.48 | Adys | lol |
| 02:53.00 | Adys | I dont care enough about my country to follow its political problems tbh |
| 02:53.06 | Zeal | lol kk |
| 02:53.42 | Zeal | i have an opinion on pratically everything as you might have gussed. so its good to stay in the know |
| 02:53.53 | Zeal | :p |
| 02:54.16 | Adys | lol |
| 02:54.35 | Zeal | few things i'm undeicded on, marrage and laws surrounding it was one of them a few months ago. |
| 02:54.53 | Zeal | but then my mum got remarried and it changed my opinion because i learnt a few things. |
| 02:55.18 | Zeal | *marriage |
| 02:57.17 | Adys | I will have a proposal to vote on in a bit |
| 02:57.32 | Adys | In order to remove the Thottbot link from elinksmob and elinksitem |
| 02:58.08 | Adys | elinks should only ever have one argument, the ID of the mob, quest, set, spell, item or whatever |
| 02:58.21 | Adys | and thottbot doesn't follow the ID rule for these two |
| 02:58.36 | Adys | Voidvector where are you.. |
| 02:59.07 | Karrion | Adys: that'll be an interesting vote |
| 02:59.22 | Adys | Im not actually against thottbot at all |
| 02:59.43 | Adys | its just that its getting annoying to have to visit two different websites for items and search through alot of shit |
| 03:00.01 | Adys | instead of just going to one clean website and have the link for whichever one follow the rule |
| 03:00.42 | Karrion | absolutely, philosophically and technically, the thott id doesn't belong |
| 03:01.03 | Karrion | you're going to get people bitching though ;-) |
| 03:01.39 | Adys | I dont care, I want a stable and clean wiki and we are getting further from it every day :/ |
| 03:01.53 | Zeal | i don't like thottbot, but i'll hold my bias back and vote based on the issue at hand |
| 03:02.27 | Adys | yay :p |
| 03:02.27 | Adys | lol |
| 03:02.41 | Zeal | in which, the outcome is still the same. thottbot doesn't follow the rules, and creates more work for users. i'd vote to remove it, but i don't really care if it does. |
| 03:02.59 | Adys | test |
| 03:02.59 | Zeal | *does get removed |
| 03:03.17 | Adys | Meh |
| 03:03.26 | bleetah | zeal: personally, I think the British reaction to 'externally' imposed laws is a bit rich. At least the British had the initial choice to sign up to the EU. Many former British 'colonies' had laws imposed on them externally for many many years. Hell, Australia didn't get full independence from UK judiciary until sometime in the 1980's. Many other former colonies weren't so lucky with a phased withdrawal, they were practically abandoned to |
| 03:04.32 | Zeal | bleetah, this is a new generation, and i hoenstly doubt it was the public who wanted that, simply the politcal interests of the goverment. |
| 03:04.36 | bleetah | zeal: I suspect some of this issue you describe is because the British have no recent history of having external laws placed upon them, and as a culture they have lost the method of dealing with that. From what I've seen, there are similarities with the way the EU works with it's member states, to that of the Australian Commonwealth and it's member states, yet we don't have quite so many people bemoaning federalism and requesting it's des |
| 03:04.43 | Adys | omfg |
| 03:06.45 | Zeal | if i had my way, Australia would still be part of the british empire. but obviously, that wasn't the case. they should have their independance immediately, and i'm fairly confident the public today would agree. |
| 03:07.47 | Zeal | bleeteh, the point is, democracy is slow and flawed. the public want out of the eu, but it won;t be happening anytime soon |
| 03:08.02 | Zeal | we went into it, with promises that couldn't be kept. |
| 03:08.32 | Zeal | i don't beleive in such organizations needing to exist |
| 03:09.15 | Zeal | merely one of treaties and alliances need be formed. not overuling body to a nation's goverment. |
| 03:09.19 | Zeal | *off |
| 03:09.25 | Zeal | *no |
| 03:12.23 | bleetah | zeal: could we agree that basically it boils down to the majority of people being stupid and will sign on for any old shit if the marketing's done right ;) |
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| 03:12.36 | Zeal | *throws |
| 03:12.47 | Zeal | yes bleetah |
| 03:12.49 | Zeal | i didn't vote |
| 03:12.54 | Zeal | so, meh, lol |
| 03:13.09 | Zeal | they were all pro-eu, just some more than others |
| 03:13.19 | bleetah | oh, well you've voided your right to complain about the laws then :-P |
| 03:13.19 | Zeal | so my vote would have been worthless. |
| 03:14.05 | bleetah | s/the/any/ |
| 03:15.07 | bleetah | but that's from someone in a country were technically voting is compulsory, practically only attendance at a place of polling (or making arrangements if you can't attend) is required |
| 03:15.24 | bleetah | so you gotta take it with a pinch of salt ;) |
| 03:21.42 | Zeal | lol |
| 03:22.24 | Zeal | i'm back to my thoughts on thinking democracy should be replaced with a system like that of BBC News ;) |
| 03:22.40 | bleetah | nah |
| 03:22.40 | Zeal | honestly, its how i think the wiki should be run too. |
| 03:23.13 | bleetah | I'd make a great benevolent dictator.. you want me! I know! you don't have to admit it in public, tho, 'coz that's sedition and treason ;-) |
| 03:23.20 | Zeal | i have no faith what so ever in the voting on wowwiki. |
| 03:23.31 | Zeal | rofl |
| 03:23.57 | bleetah | tbh, QE2 is an illegitimate queen |
| 03:24.12 | bleetah | there's some farmer in outback NSW who's got more claim to the throne :-p |
| 03:24.12 | Zeal | a dictator that is open to criticism and can admit when he does wrong and listens to his people.. gief |
| 03:24.40 | Zeal | theres several thousand people with a claim to the throne |
| 03:24.46 | Zeal | but none more than her |
| 03:25.13 | Zeal | royal families should go back to inter-breading. end of issue ;) |
| 03:25.15 | bleetah | hmm, I seem to recall a royal historian agreeing with his research, and there being a doco about it... and all. |
| 03:25.31 | Zeal | meh |
| 03:25.40 | bleetah | if I could only remember more than the headline 'King Bruce', I'd be laughing :p |
| 03:25.41 | Zeal | either way, shes more german than english :P |
| 03:25.49 | bleetah | precisely ;) |
| 03:27.41 | bleetah | btw, I'm of the firm belief that Australia is a Repulican-Monarchy.. We voted on what type of head of state we wanted, and chose Monarchy. |
| 03:28.08 | Zeal | everyone except the english are facinated by our royal family. we really don't give a crap and would rather see them gone. they're just like annoying celebs for us.. |
| 03:29.01 | Zeal | QE2 is like this cute little old women we tolerate for amusement. |
| 03:29.07 | Zeal | rofl |
| 03:29.15 | bleetah | as head of state, who'd you prefer? a reliably crazy person (ie, you know they're mad, and can regularly deal with it), or every 8 years vote for a different mad person who actually has some real power? |
| 03:30.00 | bleetah | as we know, the vast number of politicians are liars and cheats. I choose the relative safety of a monarchy if by name only |
| 03:30.10 | Zeal | the latter, though increase it to 10 years and be prepared for anything from protesting to civil war. |
| 03:33.31 | bleetah | zeal: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Abney-Hastings%2C_14th_Earl_of_Loudoun |
| 03:35.22 | bleetah | the funny thing about him is he's a republican and seeks no claim |
| 03:35.36 | bleetah | ie, only interested in the historical record |
| 03:36.21 | Zeal | cool |
| 03:37.07 | Adys | wiki down? |
| 03:37.20 | Adys | nm |
| 03:38.48 | Adys | slooow |
| 03:38.57 | Adys | ah well :( |
| 03:41.39 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization |
| 03:41.41 | Adys | go vote =P |
| 03:42.03 | bleetah | 'vote early, vote often'... just which way? |
| 03:43.39 | Karrion | gah 3 options, we need a preferential vote :-/ |
| 03:49.56 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 03:50.10 | Zeal | adys, what benefit does option 2 have over existing? |
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| 03:50.21 | Adys | thottbot being optional argument |
| 03:50.33 | Adys | atm since its the first argument its not really optionnal |
| 03:51.05 | Zeal | well, if the templates aren't conditional then sure. if they are, it is optional, though should be reversed for usablity. |
| 03:51.17 | Zeal | but either way |
| 03:51.29 | Zeal | it means the templates need a conditional template |
| 03:51.47 | Zeal | so having it as {{{2}}} or {{{tb}}} makes no difference |
| 03:51.59 | Karrion | I like option 2, allows thottbot (or any other nonstandard one that comes along), but doesn't require it |
| 03:52.22 | kindergip | http://www.pieragostini.com/ian/fun/wow/WoWStressTestWhoReport.htm |
| 03:52.41 | Karrion | having it named means if another one comes along you can include it without necessarily needing include thott as well |
| 03:53.18 | Zeal | true |
| 03:54.22 | Zeal | rofl at alliance races.. |
| 03:54.45 | Zeal | that's pretty cool |
| 03:55.00 | Zeal | if only that wow stats site actually presnted the info better like that. |
| 03:55.04 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Wow_Vashj.jpg oO |
| 03:55.14 | Adys | How the hell did he get there |
| 03:55.20 | Adys | cant be datamined and i doubt its a pvs |
| 03:55.29 | Zeal | D&T |
| 03:55.32 | Zeal | they did her |
| 03:55.39 | Adys | Shit I suck |
| 03:55.47 | Adys | I didnt even see the dnt logo.. :/ |
| 03:55.52 | Zeal | i still can't find her model : / |
| 03:55.55 | Zeal | lol |
| 03:56.36 | Zeal | i'm rather undeicded tbh adys |
| 03:56.59 | Adys | mm? |
| 03:58.12 | Zeal | well i feel it should be more one way or the other. it's nice to have the option, but if thotbot aren't going to play by the rules, i think they should be removed period. |
| 03:58.27 | Zeal | otherwise its just inconsistant |
| 03:58.35 | Adys | I know, I feel that too |
| 03:58.44 | Adys | I left the option because its not everyones opinion ;) |
| 03:58.55 | Adys | youll notice I voted for removing thottbot completly :P |
| 03:59.03 | Adys | and if they really wanna add it they can do that manually |
| 03:59.30 | Zeal | yeah, but you added the bit on the end |
| 03:59.44 | Zeal | i would have left that in option 2 |
| 04:00.06 | Adys | dont think many ppl will vote 3 |
| 04:00.10 | Zeal | cos otherwise, option 1 is just option 2, but making things harder. |
| 04:00.10 | Adys | maybe the thottbot addicts |
| 04:00.29 | Zeal | which is against the purpose of the change |
| 04:00.44 | Karrion | There should be an option 4: put "hunter lewt lolz" on everything and cut out the middleman |
| 04:00.51 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:00.58 | bleetah | totally |
| 04:02.58 | Zeal | "If the author really wants to add Thottbot's ID, he can add the complete URL manually just under the template's position in the article." if it was tha't but add soemthing like "but is highly discouraged" or instead just say "Thottbot links should not be added for items and mobs" i'd go with 1 |
| 04:03.07 | Zeal | *that |
| 04:03.31 | Adys | we are a neutral wiki, remember |
| 04:03.36 | Zeal | i know |
| 04:03.56 | Adys | We should have no preference for an external link over another. What we are doing now is kinda against the neutrality of the wiki itself |
| 04:04.02 | Adys | but its to make editing easier |
| 04:04.09 | Zeal | but wer'e also moving to contain this info outselves, so removing absoleete links, or those that are not accurate is sensible. |
| 04:04.10 | Adys | since its really a pain |
| 04:04.20 | Adys | Yes |
| 04:04.43 | Karrion | that's why my first preference is #2, it avoids any of the philosophy and just makes it a technical change |
| 04:04.58 | Zeal | does thottbot display the correct item and mob ids anywhere? |
| 04:05.07 | Adys | Nope |
| 04:05.17 | Zeal | then i feel that's grounds for removal tbh. |
| 04:05.30 | Adys | Then, vote 1 ;) |
| 04:05.40 | Adys | its a vote and we will go with the majority whatsoever |
| 04:05.46 | Zeal | but 1 doesn't remove thottbot was my point ;) |
| 04:05.58 | Adys | it does |
| 04:06.15 | Adys | trust me, people wont go and add thottbot links manually unless theres something special there |
| 04:06.15 | Zeal | removes it from the temaplte, i mean from item and mob articles. |
| 04:06.30 | Adys | that we are not gonna do that |
| 04:06.31 | Zeal | you'd think :P |
| 04:06.47 | Adys | because it goes against the neutrality to "ban" a site altogether |
| 04:06.50 | Zeal | i'm sure there are people who won't |
| 04:07.01 | Adys | just look at it this way zeal |
| 04:07.09 | Zeal | as i said, an outright ruling against it isn't needed, but to add it;s discouraged i'd like to see. |
| 04:07.17 | Adys | when the vote is over we will run a bot to change elinksitem params |
| 04:07.27 | Adys | thats how many pages |
| 04:07.33 | Adys | like 2-3 thousands |
| 04:07.47 | Adys | counting quest items n stuff |
| 04:07.55 | Adys | a few more with mobs |
| 04:08.07 | Adys | how many ppl are gonna add thottbot manually to these? |
| 04:08.16 | Zeal | well yeah, that will drop all existing, just suggesting to say it's discouraged unless there is good reason is an idea i'd like to see. |
| 04:08.32 | Adys | Go put it in comments :) |
| 04:08.35 | Adys | I cant speak for others |
| 04:09.02 | Karrion | meh, anyone willing to edit it in, will claim their reason is "good" |
| 04:09.03 | Zeal | more information you give to users, the better an informed choice they can make. simply not stating that, when you've said yourself, its what you mean, doesn't help people to know what to do. |
| 04:11.47 | Adys | on the end people will see that wowhead is the most accurate database of them all and will use this one instead of the two others |
| 04:11.53 | Adys | they just need to know it exists |
| 04:14.07 | Zeal | done |
| 04:17.02 | Zeal | well it's not just that wowhead has the most accurate database (your words, not my claim :P), it's that it presents the information better, has a faster site, and presents the information more authenticly. |
| 04:17.14 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=142984371&sid=1 hmm |
| 04:17.26 | Adys | and aye zeal |
| 04:17.41 | Adys | Well at least on wowhead lockboxes are OPENED |
| 04:17.43 | Adys | not disenchanted |
| 04:17.45 | Zeal | i cba to read. i have no concept of rogue gameplay beyond lvl 20 :P |
| 04:17.55 | Zeal | wtf? |
| 04:17.56 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:18.07 | Zeal | lockboxes are right click to open iirc |
| 04:18.10 | Adys | you know what i mean :P |
| 04:18.22 | Adys | yea and on thottbot they are dissed into morrowgrain |
| 04:18.29 | Zeal | O_o |
| 04:18.32 | Zeal | lol never seen that |
| 04:18.52 | Zeal | i followed from wowhead's example for it |
| 04:19.25 | Adys | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=5526 ;) |
| 04:19.29 | Zeal | btw, did you ever resolve the item effect spell/itemspell issue? |
| 04:19.45 | Adys | nope |
| 04:19.53 | Adys | I dont really have that much experience into templates |
| 04:20.01 | Adys | I just design them, I dont program them |
| 04:20.02 | Zeal | cos i still maintain all the databases have ti wrong, and even if they don't, they are not linking to the correct spell. |
| 04:20.08 | Zeal | nah, not about templates |
| 04:20.14 | Adys | aah |
| 04:20.16 | Adys | I didnt look |
| 04:20.20 | Zeal | its about the relationship between spellitem and spell ;) |
| 04:20.36 | Adys | we'll see |
| 04:20.43 | Zeal | kk |
| 04:20.44 | Adys | and if you're correct |
| 04:20.51 | Adys | we're just gonna need a Socketbonus: namespace |
| 04:20.53 | Adys | nothing more |
| 04:21.11 | Zeal | well it covered + dmg aswell |
| 04:21.19 | Zeal | so not sockets only |
| 04:21.36 | Zeal | like +10 arance damage |
| 04:22.22 | Zeal | if those are only for socket bonuses i dunno, would need to check that too, but i suspect not. |
| 04:23.42 | Zeal | but their values are fixed unlike spells |
| 04:24.20 | Zeal | and don't contain any icons and spell atributes like radius, description, debuff, rank etc. |
| 04:25.08 | Zeal | probably the onyl reason they're in a seperate database is because they use like a 10th of the fields on the spell table which is the largest table in the database.. |
| 04:25.24 | Adys | hehe /who ironforge = 3 players total counting me |
| 04:25.33 | Zeal | dead, lol |
| 04:25.49 | Adys | darnassus = 1 player |
| 04:25.51 | Adys | level 1 ^^ |
| 04:25.58 | Zeal | 10 man mc @ 70 :p |
| 04:26.18 | Adys | we did an ubrs run some time ago |
| 04:26.18 | Adys | we gotta do it again now more are 70 |
| 04:27.18 | Zeal | with how many people? |
| 04:27.57 | Zeal | my hope is 70's will do the 60-end game now, and the loot they can sell, will go on auction houses for cheaper than before |
| 04:28.33 | Zeal | so it's better for casual 56-60, and those going to outland can still get the teir sets before hand if they have the money |
| 04:30.18 | Zeal | nothing better than thunderfury @ 70? O_o |
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| 04:39.18 | Zeal | O_o |
| 04:39.27 | Zeal | interesting name there Compaq_Administr.. |
| 04:39.33 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:39.35 | Adys | lol |
| 04:40.09 | Zeal | someone had challanged lorekeeper to a lore shown down :P |
| 04:40.14 | Zeal | *has |
| 04:40.20 | Zeal | *lorekeepers |
| 04:40.53 | Zeal | and no, it's not me, my memory is too shit to do such a thing >_>; |
| 04:41.13 | Zeal | i'm jsut the one who reads, checks facts and points out your flaws :p |
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| 04:42.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Orly? |
| 04:43.16 | Zeal | Ya'rly |
| 04:43.23 | Adys | Kirkburn! |
| 04:43.41 | Adys | Do you know of an addon that saves action buttons client side rather than serverside? |
| 04:44.00 | Adys | so instead of modifying what the buttons contain it modifies the buttons position |
| 04:44.08 | Adys | if you see what i mean :p |
| 04:44.26 | Kirkburn|afk | You want to be able to change the action bars' positions? |
| 04:44.33 | Adys | No |
| 04:44.54 | Adys | I basically gave my main account to a friend |
| 04:44.54 | Adys | but I still sometimes log on it |
| 04:44.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Naughty naughty |
| 04:45.06 | Adys | and i want to be able to have my own button configuration without modifying anything serverside |
| 04:45.17 | Adys | so instead of modifying whats inside the buttons like all addons do |
| 04:45.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, it would be difficult |
| 04:45.22 | Adys | I modify the button's position |
| 04:45.36 | Adys | so that button 1 becomes button 5 etc |
| 04:45.42 | Adys | Im sure its possible |
| 04:45.45 | Kirkburn|afk | You'd have to individually place each button |
| 04:45.48 | Adys | i dont know if anyone bothered with it |
| 04:45.49 | Adys | aye |
| 04:46.03 | Adys | but that can be done by the addon automatically |
| 04:46.19 | Kirkburn|afk | It's possible, but I don't know what addons do it that way |
| 04:46.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I use Bartender which only works on full bars |
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| 04:46.36 | Adys | same |
| 04:46.37 | Zeal | adys, the only issue, is the key binds would still remain the same. |
| 04:46.45 | Adys | dont mind |
| 04:46.49 | Zeal | kk then |
| 04:46.56 | Adys | I rarely log on |
| 04:46.58 | Adys | very rarely |
| 04:47.18 | Adys | but when i do i rather have it playable :p |
| 04:47.31 | Zeal | can anyone confirm that miev gives you a quest to kill illidan and coems in to help you kill him? |
| 04:47.41 | Adys | ... Huh |
| 04:47.47 | Adys | illidan isnt in game |
| 04:47.52 | Zeal | just had someone say it's confirmed, but i'm highly in doubt.. simply because it's not possible to be confirmed |
| 04:47.53 | Zeal | lol |
| 04:48.10 | Zeal | indeed, hes not in, BT is not done.. |
| 04:48.13 | Adys | btw kirkburn! |
| 04:48.17 | Zeal | she might give a quest though, dunno |
| 04:48.28 | Zeal | yes, bte Kirkburn|afk. bc template troubles |
| 04:48.37 | Zeal | *btw |
| 04:48.38 | Adys | no not that |
| 04:48.40 | Kirkburn|afk | In what way? |
| 04:48.41 | Zeal | rofl |
| 04:48.46 | Zeal | read the talk page :P |
| 04:48.54 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization |
| 04:48.54 | Zeal | both bc and bc/content one |
| 04:48.56 | Adys | Vote vote vot |
| 04:48.58 | Adys | +e |
| 04:49.03 | Zeal | as fandy was messing about :P |
| 04:50.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Bleh, I can't be bothered with IE6 support :P |
| 04:50.34 | Adys | sod ie6 tbh |
| 04:51.36 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, I like 6 figure hex as it's the standard |
| 04:52.19 | Adys | more seriously I really wanna get rid of this thing with elinksitem |
| 04:52.51 | Zeal | its not the standard |
| 04:52.53 | Zeal | they both are |
| 04:53.02 | Adys | zstill annoying |
| 04:53.14 | Kirkburn|afk | It's more standard, okay |
| 04:53.16 | Zeal | its short hand, and as full was not needed, there is no reason to do it otherwise |
| 04:53.20 | Kirkburn|afk | All html editors use 6 digits |
| 04:53.22 | Zeal | its not mroe standard :P |
| 04:53.28 | Kirkburn|afk | But he was wrong in the way he changed it |
| 04:54.00 | Zeal | because they want to be fully compat with those who want to use random colours, nothing having to do further checks needless on the programs part, it makes sense. |
| 04:54.20 | Zeal | they should really optimize when completed |
| 04:54.34 | Zeal | and reduce to short hand where it can |
| 04:54.50 | Kirkburn|afk | Simplicity, I guess - otherwise you start using different styles in different parts of the code |
| 04:55.01 | Zeal | how so? |
| 04:55.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Say one part uses 363636, and another uses 333333, then you'll have two different hex styles after optimizing ;) |
| 04:55.30 | Zeal | only those who do not understand css would have problems, and teaching css is not the job of styling.. |
| 04:55.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah I know |
| 04:55.40 | Zeal | styles? |
| 04:55.43 | Zeal | wtf you on about :s |
| 04:55.55 | Zeal | chaning it to 333 does no harm |
| 04:55.59 | Kirkburn|afk | You'd then have some parts being 6 digit, and som 3 digit |
| 04:56.04 | Zeal | and? |
| 04:56.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Did you read what I said? |
| 04:56.15 | Zeal | theres no benefit to making it 6 |
| 04:56.17 | Zeal | yes |
| 04:56.31 | Kirkburn|afk | I know, I said it's for /simplicity/ - easier to understand |
| 04:56.51 | Kirkburn|afk | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:56.59 | Zeal | you're saying you want to be anally consistant at the cose to easy of use is all i'm hearing.. |
| 04:57.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Not sure what I can do about the template |
| 04:57.13 | Zeal | *cost of ease of use and less code |
| 04:57.27 | Zeal | well i said, switch back to float |
| 04:57.36 | Kirkburn|afk | 3 digits zeal, it doesn't break the code bank ;) |
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| 04:57.53 | Zeal | it all ads up, especially when you're using it all over the place |
| 04:58.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Back to float? |
| 04:58.41 | Zeal | anyways.. the float is less off center than what that one is in FF2, and consistant across the browsers, i think it'd be a better choice. |
| 04:58.44 | Zeal | yes |
| 04:59.13 | Zeal | yours uses relatively absolute positioning |
| 04:59.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, I just saw how you did it in one of the examples |
| 05:00.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Gimme a few secs to make one up |
| 05:00.48 | Zeal | kk |
| 05:03.38 | Kirkburn|afk | End of page: http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Bc/content |
| 05:03.53 | Adys | yep works fine in ff2 |
| 05:04.11 | Kirkburn|afk | It's a bit bigger, unfortunately |
| 05:05.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, ? |
| 05:06.43 | Adys | Kirkburn btw |
| 05:06.52 | Adys | to my original question :P |
| 05:06.57 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization - opinions? |
| 05:09.34 | Kirkburn|afk | What we do need to keep is backwards compatibility, so personally I think I might go for option 2 - in case thott sorts the id values in future. But I'm not sure, tbh |
| 05:10.22 | Adys | if they sort it we will nee donly one argument anyways no? |
| 05:10.26 | Adys | since itd be the same |
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| 05:12.09 | Adys | alo hob |
| 05:12.12 | Hobinheim|play | hello |
| 05:12.14 | Adys | hob! http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates/Elinks_Templates_Standardization |
| 05:13.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Updating template now |
| 05:13.25 | Hobinheim|play | who wrote this proposal |
| 05:13.31 | Adys | me >< |
| 05:13.59 | Adys | C'était son dernier template... |
| 05:14.41 | Hobinheim|play | did i mention i don't like the exists template |
| 05:15.31 | Hobinheim|play | i can't vote cuz it won't load |
| 05:15.48 | Adys | yea kirk is updating bs |
| 05:15.49 | Adys | bc |
| 05:15.56 | Hobinheim|play | anyway, my conspiracy theory is that the exists template contributes to the server slowdowns |
| 05:16.04 | Adys | no kidding :p |
| 05:16.13 | Kirkburn|afk | It errored, as per usual :P |
| 05:16.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Also, it has almost certainly pinged vlad as a result :/ |
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| 05:16.53 | Hobinheim|play | i'm heavily against exists, wink wink |
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| 05:18.29 | Zeal | Hobinheim|play, exist is not more damaging than if, qif, switch, equal etc. |
| 05:18.40 | Zeal | *no more |
| 05:18.45 | Hobinheim|play | two wrongs don't make a right |
| 05:18.55 | Zeal | they're all contributing to brining the wiki to its knees |
| 05:19.13 | Zeal | and vlad knows now |
| 05:19.19 | Hobinheim|play | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Whatlinkshere&target=Class%3A |
| 05:19.29 | Zeal | and said he plans to upgrade and put parserfunctions on next week or so. |
| 05:19.41 | Zeal | so we can wave them all goodbye |
| 05:20.11 | Zeal | and sorry i took so long to reply (well can't not the wiki is down) Kirkburn|afk, was settling a lore debate elsewhere |
| 05:20.18 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 05:20.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Template should be fixed now |
| 05:20.30 | Adys | where where?! :) |
| 05:21.04 | Zeal | rofl can't say tbh. |
| 05:21.17 | Adys | #pornforfreee ? |
| 05:21.21 | Zeal | O_o |
| 05:21.24 | Zeal | no, lol |
| 05:21.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Wiki is back |
| 05:21.30 | Adys | Damn. |
| 05:21.33 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Bc/content |
| 05:21.37 | Zeal | oo, i got a page without css, lol |
| 05:21.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, so did I |
| 05:21.54 | Adys | Kirk, theres a typo on the template |
| 05:21.57 | Adys | gonna fix it brb |
| 05:22.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Wait! |
| 05:22.04 | Adys | haha |
| 05:22.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Heyyyyyyy |
| 05:22.26 | Kirkburn|afk | You evil bastard |
| 05:22.30 | Adys | sorry that was just too tempting |
| 05:22.42 | Zeal | and yeah, that exist temaplte includess no page. your point? it ads even less server load than any of the other conditionals |
| 05:22.56 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, there is the fact the image doesn't link to the BC article now |
| 05:23.08 | Zeal | *exist template resulting Class: link list :P |
| 05:23.13 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk |
| 05:23.18 | Zeal | you know my thoughts on that |
| 05:23.23 | Zeal | i don't want it to : / |
| 05:23.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah |
| 05:23.59 | Zeal | 2px margin huh? |
| 05:24.14 | Hobinheim|play | uhh there's no way to know how much "server load" a given template affects |
| 05:24.24 | Zeal | what happens when someone changes font size in the browser? that's right, it's no longer aligned ;) |
| 05:25.53 | Zeal | Hobinheim|play, other conditional templates include the contents of pages and have to resolve values of parameters. exist merely includes one page contents and another that does not exist exist (thus nothing to include) so yes.. there is less load |
| 05:26.16 | Zeal | i read up about it on mediwiki before i gave the results i did on the village pump |
| 05:27.18 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal 2px margin because I removed the padding |
| 05:27.31 | Zeal | oh shit er.. |
| 05:27.34 | Zeal | bad move |
| 05:28.19 | Kirkburn|afk | o_^ |
| 05:28.26 | Zeal | just noticed you used {{img}} ;) lots of conditionals there.. alot lol |
| 05:28.39 | Zeal | have to see how it holds up |
| 05:29.01 | Zeal | anyways.. try using em for the margin was my point |
| 05:29.10 | Hobinheim|play | i'd like to see your research |
| 05:29.24 | Hobinheim|play | i don't believe you and i still think it's wrong, regardless |
| 05:29.28 | Zeal | no research to be done, already there hob. |
| 05:29.35 | Hobinheim|play | where |
| 05:29.54 | Zeal | either way, i want all the conditional templates gone, the argument of server load of each is irrelevent |
| 05:29.57 | Zeal | on mediwiki |
| 05:30.40 | Zeal | it explains how transclusion works, templates, server load, expansion, the restrictions they put in place as a test to combat it. |
| 05:31.17 | Hobinheim|play | the exists parser function still shouldn't be used in the loot template |
| 05:31.28 | Hobinheim|play | by the time that upgrade is done, we should have a way to properly edit the css |
| 05:32.06 | Zeal | you'll notice conditional temaplates used too many times on a single page = dead page, dead wiki when the template is changed. templates using conditional templates on many pages = slow wiki, dead wiki when the template is changed. |
| 05:32.28 | Zeal | we've already been through the css idea |
| 05:32.29 | Zeal | that's fine |
| 05:32.45 | Zeal | but can't be used in all cases |
| 05:33.06 | Zeal | as you've have to make css for everytime you wanted to format something different based on existance |
| 05:33.14 | Zeal | *you'd |
| 05:33.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, gonan change it to not use img template |
| 05:33.35 | Kirkburn|afk | (btw, I got that from one of the examples you did) |
| 05:33.46 | Zeal | i know Kirkburn|afk. this was before i knew |
| 05:33.54 | Kirkburn|afk | ^^ |
| 05:34.06 | Hobinheim|play | css is for formatting |
| 05:34.11 | Zeal | img is better, i just wouldn't recommend using it on a large scale until it uses parserfunctions |
| 05:34.17 | Hobinheim|play | making a css for each instance of something to be formatted is expected |
| 05:34.37 | Zeal | but not exceptable to put it in css Hobinheim|play |
| 05:34.43 | Zeal | *acceptable |
| 05:34.49 | Hobinheim|play | it's not acceptable? |
| 05:35.02 | Hobinheim|play | what are you talking about? |
| 05:35.20 | Kirkburn|afk | And it's off |
| 05:35.38 | Zeal | lets say i want to check for the existance of a image to decide if i want to display a thumbnail of it or the full image... |
| 05:35.52 | Hobinheim|play | why would you want to do that? |
| 05:36.10 | Hobinheim|play | "a thumbnail" or "a full image" both require the existence of the image |
| 05:36.16 | Zeal | because a thumbnail > generated rescale |
| 05:36.24 | Zeal | no hob |
| 05:36.26 | Adys | Not a manual thumbnail |
| 05:36.46 | Adys | check Silvermoon: Anatomy of a City for an example |
| 05:36.58 | Zeal | hm Adys? |
| 05:37.03 | Adys | nm |
| 05:37.34 | Hobinheim|play | not loading |
| 05:37.45 | Zeal | anyways.. theres no way we should be sticking in random exist outcomes in the css.. only those which are standard to the wiki as a whole, which loot is. |
| 05:38.02 | Hobinheim|play | you're still not outlining a really good example |
| 05:38.04 | Hobinheim|play | you sound crazy |
| 05:38.15 | Zeal | cos i can't think of an example atm. |
| 05:38.16 | Hobinheim|play | you're making zero sense |
| 05:38.19 | Hobinheim|play | style things belong in css |
| 05:38.23 | Zeal | i'm making plenty of sense |
| 05:38.26 | Hobinheim|play | and they aren't that hard. you're just making them sound hard |
| 05:38.58 | Zeal | they do hob, when they are used on the wiki. but if a user wanted to style their user page, you don't stick that in the site's css |
| 05:39.09 | Hobinheim|play | of course not |
| 05:39.18 | Zeal | same goes for exist outcomes |
| 05:39.30 | Hobinheim|play | what does a user's page have to do with exists used throughout the site |
| 05:39.33 | Zeal | if they aren't standard to the wiki, they don't belond in the css |
| 05:39.52 | Zeal | *belong |
| 05:40.11 | Hobinheim|play | right, so what are you saying |
| 05:40.23 | Zeal | oh ffs.. |
| 05:40.24 | Hobinheim|play | it just sounded like you're disagreeing with yourself |
| 05:40.28 | Zeal | no.. |
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| 05:41.19 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Bot_Requests |
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| 05:48.52 | Zeal | screw that list.. too long |
| 05:48.59 | Zeal | and he' gone.. |
| 05:50.31 | Zeal | ok.. anyone else, was is a simple concept, that only standard styling, that which is used on the wiki for normal means, should be in the wiki css and that styling based on the existance of something on the wiki that isn't standard is no exception? :S |
| 05:50.36 | Zeal | *it a |
| 05:51.32 | Zeal | what links here really needs a filter.. |
| 05:51.40 | Zeal | namespaces at least.. |
| 05:52.08 | Adys | eh? |
| 05:52.14 | Adys | ah |
| 05:52.16 | Adys | yeh |
| 05:58.10 | Kirkburn|afk | World of Warcraft is the 94th most populated place (country) in the world ;) |
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| 05:58.38 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:58.58 | Kirkburn|afk | More people play WoW than live in Ireland and New Zealand combined |
| 05:59.11 | Adys | lol |
| 05:59.22 | Zeal | you should do it by size :p |
| 05:59.38 | Zeal | population per mete^2 or something isn't it? :s |
| 05:59.42 | Zeal | *meter |
| 05:59.43 | Adys | where did you get the info from? |
| 06:00.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Hard to do with an arbitrary measuring method like WoW's |
| 06:00.10 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.gamesradar.com/gb/pc/game/news/article.jsp?sectionId=1006&articleId=200702131331135004&releaseId=2005120716480781115722 |
| 06:01.02 | Adys | hahahaha |
| 06:01.48 | Adys | awesome |
| 06:03.38 | Zeal | convert wow's concept of yards to meters, calculate size of each landmass, add together, times the amount of live servers, voila :P |
| 06:03.55 | Adys | Zeal |
| 06:03.56 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hearthstone |
| 06:03.57 | Zeal | second part is the hard bit :p |
| 06:04.02 | Adys | why did you add the clr back? |
| 06:04.25 | Zeal | because the tooltip should be in the lead in and not overlap into the rest of the article? |
| 06:04.43 | Adys | why not? |
| 06:04.45 | Zeal | thats how i was seeing msot being done, is part of the boilerplate too atm. |
| 06:04.55 | Zeal | because it's a summary, belongs in the lead in. |
| 06:05.05 | Adys | right, gimme a sec |
| 06:05.35 | Zeal | oo.. sga |
| 06:05.40 | Zeal | need to watch |
| 06:05.43 | Zeal | and make food |
| 06:05.48 | Zeal | fuck me, didn't see the time |
| 06:05.50 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dreadnaught_Waistguard |
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| 06:06.14 | Adys | you imagine that with a big empty space n stuff? :P |
| 06:06.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal "convert wow's concept of yards to meters" doesn't work, unfortunately :P frFR, esES and deDE al use meters already, where 1 yard = 1 meter :( |
| 06:06.31 | Zeal | aye, but look less ugly that what it currently does |
| 06:06.50 | Zeal | i see Kirkburn|afk, thats lazy :( |
| 06:06.55 | Zeal | i'd do it by yards though |
| 06:06.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup |
| 06:07.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, it was designed with yards |
| 06:07.05 | Zeal | cos that was the intended of |
| 06:07.10 | Zeal | *ofc |
| 06:07.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Wish we had metres in the enGB version though |
| 06:07.48 | Zeal | i was taught when the change over was taking place.. so i know.. neither :p |
| 06:07.54 | Zeal | hehe |
| 06:08.58 | Zeal | though i was more confortable with metrics when it came to m, cm, mm for measuring in terms of plans and designing, but with height, feet and inches :P |
| 06:09.22 | Zeal | so got a nice jumble of both, with no idea how to convert :p |
| 06:10.31 | Zeal | anyways.. Adys, personally, i'd drop the set table, ofc convert to my tooltip, move the image to right, and add that clear. |
| 06:10.47 | Adys | ignore the set table |
| 06:10.51 | Adys | the tooltip is big enough itself |
| 06:10.56 | Zeal | aye |
| 06:11.08 | Zeal | but you do it in existing articles with the toc |
| 06:11.24 | Zeal | what else.. hm.. some navigation boxes.. |
| 06:12.28 | Zeal | my point is, the wiki is a mess, its inconsistant, i felt clearing was more presentable and better for keeping things in order and where they belong until such time the wiki adopts a better layout for articles.. aka. mine. |
| 06:13.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, did you just say you were taught when the changeover was taking place? |
| 06:13.43 | Zeal | aka? ie. |
| 06:13.52 | Zeal | yes, iirc |
| 06:14.10 | Zeal | perhaps not exact, but i was taught both, with an emphasis to favour metric |
| 06:14.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Actually, I guess that's kinda true |
| 06:14.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Certainly the first few years we would have come across imperial in textbooks |
| 06:15.04 | Kirkburn|afk | (since it's only normal to replace those about every 30 years in most school ;) |
| 06:15.09 | Zeal | haha |
| 06:15.12 | Zeal | true true |
| 06:15.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Now they just need to change our damn road system :P |
| 06:15.57 | Laraul | Lost is on tonight! |
| 06:16.04 | Laraul | Well it's on right now |
| 06:16.06 | Zeal | i jsut remember kicking peoples asses at math.. not you'd be luck to get me to ever do a single calculation :p |
| 06:16.13 | Zeal | *lucky |
| 06:16.19 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/Idsioledo |
| 06:16.23 | Laraul | But I'll wait till i'm finished watching the Daily Show |
| 06:16.29 | Zeal | funny how you change.. >_> |
| 06:16.31 | Adys | Im banning this idiot not even gonna wait |
| 06:16.58 | Zeal | adys, wtf.. |
| 06:17.11 | Zeal | you now lost the lead in, and that section has nothing to do with the "source" |
| 06:17.27 | Adys | it has, read it :P |
| 06:17.35 | Zeal | "slight cleanup" /spit : / |
| 06:17.54 | Zeal | ok.. |
| 06:17.58 | Adys | Zeal try your page honestly it looks screwed up |
| 06:17.58 | Zeal | when did that text change? |
| 06:18.10 | Zeal | it didn't say that the first time you added source.. |
| 06:18.15 | Zeal | >_> |
| 06:18.18 | Zeal | conspiracy! |
| 06:18.42 | Zeal | try my page? |
| 06:18.45 | Zeal | what do you mean? |
| 06:18.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Info is singular |
| 06:18.56 | Laraul | Er so he add a :) |
| 06:19.03 | Kirkburn|afk | (frenchisms, I know) |
| 06:19.27 | Adys | info? |
| 06:19.28 | Laraul | Honestly... it's scary that you'd even catch that |
| 06:19.44 | Zeal | huh? :s |
| 06:19.46 | Adys | i caught it |
| 06:19.49 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Dev top-right |
| 06:19.56 | Zeal | and ban hammer swing free.. |
| 06:20.14 | Adys | Err, so? He added a ":)" |
| 06:20.20 | Adys | thats what you meant right :P |
| 06:20.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Laraul, he deleted the entire article |
| 06:20.29 | Adys | multiple of them |
| 06:20.30 | Kirkburn|afk | (s) |
| 06:20.33 | Adys | he blanked all guilds |
| 06:20.44 | Adys | Kirkburn: Whats up with http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Dev ? |
| 06:20.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Info is singular |
| 06:20.59 | Zeal | argh |
| 06:21.00 | Adys | BAH |
| 06:21.02 | Zeal | wtf is going on? :( |
| 06:21.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, what's up? |
| 06:21.18 | Zeal | oh i get it |
| 06:21.20 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:21.32 | Zeal | nvm, had no idea what you were on about Kirkburn|afk :P |
| 06:21.37 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
| 06:21.47 | Zeal | infos, hehe |
| 06:21.52 | Adys | shupp |
| 06:21.59 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:22.05 | Adys | ill have my revenge |
| 06:22.34 | Kirkburn|afk | By "Source", what exactly does it mean? Where you can obtain it from in-game? |
| 06:22.53 | Zeal | honestly adys, if the wiki was fixed width, i'd be interesting in persuing the coarse of action you're taking with your dev page. but its not, it's futile to try : / |
| 06:22.56 | Adys | Yea kirk |
| 06:23.12 | Zeal | well i still think i'm right, that page just needs a lead in |
| 06:23.18 | Adys | then we can make it fixed width |
| 06:23.35 | Zeal | atm, all the important info is in the notes >_> |
| 06:23.39 | Zeal | which is stupid |
| 06:23.40 | Kirkburn|afk | min-width, you mean |
| 06:23.43 | Zeal | no |
| 06:23.45 | Zeal | fixed width |
| 06:23.48 | Adys | someone edits BC template, Ill edit the {{epic}} one, lets ring vlad |
| 06:23.49 | Zeal | and no, we can't adys |
| 06:24.07 | Zeal | it would require a complete redisgn of the css |
| 06:24.28 | Adys | And? We're here to have something to do no :p |
| 06:24.31 | Kirkburn|afk | What's wrong with that design atm anyway? |
| 06:24.48 | Laraul | There needs to be a complete redesign of the CSS |
| 06:24.53 | Zeal | adys wanted to make something more along the lines of wowhead. |
| 06:25.12 | Adys | two tooltips for infos is a great idea they had imo |
| 06:25.16 | Zeal | yet, it would require fixed width, otherwise you end up with overflow or empty space. |
| 06:25.23 | Zeal | *and/or |
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| 06:25.44 | Laraul | Fixed Width font is not good for web design |
| 06:25.52 | Kirkburn|afk | I would agree with the two tooltip idea personally |
| 06:25.56 | Zeal | not talking about fon't :p |
| 06:26.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Keep the tooltip exactly as in game |
| 06:26.12 | Zeal | but fixed width is not good web design either.. lol |
| 06:26.15 | Adys | yep thats the point |
| 06:26.17 | axxo | fixed width pages are the worst thing in webdesign |
| 06:26.27 | Zeal | certainly not for a site with dyanmic content like a wiki |
| 06:26.57 | Laraul | Oh you mean fixed width for a specific screen resolution |
| 06:27.04 | Laraul | That's bad too |
| 06:27.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Like making the content box 800px, that type of thing, yes |
| 06:27.19 | Zeal | you could though, fix by em |
| 06:27.24 | Zeal | which is perfectly exceptable |
| 06:27.31 | Zeal | *acceptable |
| 06:27.32 | Zeal | ffs |
| 06:27.54 | Laraul | The thing should be readable even at 640x480 |
| 06:28.03 | Adys | jepp |
| 06:28.03 | Zeal | but fixing, even by em, means empty space. |
| 06:28.15 | Adys | btw |
| 06:28.33 | Zeal | but it does atleast ensure line length are readable, which i think is well worth it. |
| 06:28.34 | Adys | is there a possibility to use some javascript for a show/hide button |
| 06:28.51 | Adys | I was thinking of remaking the tooltip like in game for set items aswell |
| 06:28.53 | Zeal | if we have acess to the js files, then sure. |
| 06:28.53 | Adys | example http://www.wowhead.com/?item=22423 |
| 06:29.01 | Kirkburn|afk | Can anyone reach http://www.georgepribul.eu/ |
| 06:29.05 | Adys | but it would make it huge, so would be good to make a show/hide setbonuses |
| 06:29.09 | Adys | I can kirk |
| 06:29.20 | Laraul | yes |
| 06:29.21 | Zeal | tbh, Teomyr|off would be a good person to talk to about that, having intergrated a tooltip tag and javascript for it. |
| 06:29.27 | Kirkburn|afk | What ze f**k? |
| 06:29.38 | Kirkburn|afk | I can't. |
| 06:29.39 | Adys | mm ok |
| 06:29.41 | Zeal | me too |
| 06:30.11 | Laraul | Liar! You spend all your spare time in here! |
| 06:30.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Can't reach my host's website either. Or the wiki. |
| 06:30.45 | Laraul | And I've only seen you as Kirkburn|afk - That is who you are to me! |
| 06:30.47 | Zeal | well, i favor hover over show/hide for information like that adys. |
| 06:30.51 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 06:31.07 | Adys | will see it was just an idea anyways |
| 06:31.51 | Zeal | i'd want to do the same for crafting |
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| 06:32.00 | Laraul | well gonna start watching Lost... cuz Lost is kewl! |
| 06:32.11 | Adys | hello kirkburn, hello kirkburn|afk |
| 06:32.12 | Zeal | was expecting that eventually Kirkburn :P |
| 06:32.21 | Zeal | your net probably died is my guess. |
| 06:32.24 | Zeal | anyways.. |
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| 06:32.40 | Laraul | DUQ ABC! |
| 06:32.45 | Laraul | Er Fuq I mean |
| 06:33.27 | Laraul | I have it start recording two minutes early and STILL they end up airing before it starts |
| 06:33.29 | Laraul | WTF |
| 06:33.55 | Zeal | as i was saying. atm, crafting merley links to the item. the in-game way should not be done, but in-game it makes sense to do it. however, they still did it awfully anyways, so we should not emulate that. i'd like a hover tooltip for the item, just as is planned for lootlinks. |
| 06:34.04 | Zeal | lol Laraul |
| 06:34.10 | Kirkburn | Didn't fix my problems connecting to websites though : |
| 06:34.11 | Zeal | i can't do that stuff with sky+ : / |
| 06:34.24 | Zeal | but they very rarely screw up times |
| 06:34.30 | Kirkburn | At least this still works - I'm currently watching: http://www.wii-consoles.co.uk/wii_console_realtime.asp |
| 06:34.40 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:34.57 | Laraul | wait this is the end of last weeks episode |
| 06:35.09 | Kirkburn | Oh, oh, works now. How random |
| 06:35.17 | Laraul | Like your nick! |
| 06:35.33 | Zeal | anyways.. i need to sort out food, brb |
| 06:39.30 | Zeal | do you know what pisses me off most? |
| 06:40.43 | Kirkburn | Monkeys who steal all the bananas? |
| 06:40.48 | Kirkburn | Woot: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6346435.stm |
| 06:40.49 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:41.05 | Adys | Lol zeal |
| 06:41.13 | Adys | yes please tell us what pisses you off the most :P |
| 06:41.45 | Zeal | flimsy plastic film used for food packaging, the sort that is glued down to the container, and when you go to peel it off, it rips to shreads, often with the barely seeable plastic falling into your food.. |
| 06:42.34 | Kirkburn | haha |
| 06:42.34 | Zeal | i hate that law tbh.. |
| 06:42.53 | Zeal | its wrong that establishments can't decide on their own rules |
| 06:43.30 | Kirkburn | True, but there isn't much incentive for them to ban it themselves |
| 06:43.31 | Zeal | it should be made criminal, there should be a ban on public smoking, but i think establishments should be able to choose if they want to be smoking or non-smoking. |
| 06:44.08 | Zeal | cos under that law, they have no choice. its non-smoking or they get a fine to the point they get closed down.. |
| 06:44.20 | Kirkburn | Tis true |
| 06:45.16 | Kirkburn | Out of the 20 or pubs around my town, I only know of one that banned smoking so far |
| 06:45.23 | Zeal | next up.. no farting in public or establishments.. it polutes the ozone.. >_> |
| 06:45.26 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 06:45.31 | Zeal | only in toilets or in private.. |
| 06:45.36 | Kirkburn | It's wonderful in that pub though, so, /so/ much nicer |
| 06:45.42 | Zeal | aye, i agree |
| 06:45.46 | Zeal | most of my friends smoke |
| 06:45.52 | Zeal | i don't |
| 06:46.07 | Zeal | but they make an effort to smoke up down wind of me ;) |
| 06:46.17 | Kirkburn | That's cool, good of them :) |
| 06:46.18 | Zeal | *down |
| 06:46.20 | Zeal | i think :S |
| 06:46.27 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 06:46.55 | Zeal | ones making an effort to quite atm, the other is capable of quitting easily. |
| 06:47.03 | Zeal | *quit |
| 06:47.25 | Zeal | the former though likes his snus.. |
| 06:47.26 | Zeal | heh |
| 06:47.36 | Kirkburn | No smokers in my house, and we're pretty much all teetotal too :P |
| 06:47.51 | Zeal | teetotal? :s |
| 06:47.53 | Kirkburn | (what kind of student are we?!) |
| 06:48.00 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:48.27 | Kirkburn | One guy literally is teetotal, whereas I just don't feel the need to get drunk |
| 06:49.41 | Adys | lol |
| 06:50.00 | Adys | I just remembered this emo vandal we had a few weeks ago |
| 06:50.08 | Adys | and realized how hilarious he was |
| 06:50.11 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Undelete&target=User_talk%3AAfrothunder75×tamp=20070117093117 |
| 06:50.37 | Adys | He recreated a deleted page 5 times |
| 06:50.41 | Adys | Kirkburn's warning: This is your final warning. If you recreate that page again, you are banned. Do five article deletes not suggest anything to you? {{User:Kirkburn/Sig}} |
| 06:50.57 | Adys | And his answer: |
| 06:50.57 | Adys | Ummm I was under the impression that I could add whatever I felt like to the DOOMHAMMER forum which is relative to DOOMHAMMER and it's fucking lingo. If you have a problem with it then delete all the other lingo entries from the lingo list, because if anything they are just as bad. Until then I will continue to post my ENTRY!!! under BALLIN!!! until you get the point. |
| 06:50.58 | Adys | It is a word USED by many people on the alliance side, and there for IS lingo that should be under the lingo forums. SO until then I will continue to post it until you make it up in your mind to DELETE all entries under doomhammer lingo. |
| 06:50.59 | Adys | Trust me when I say, it will not stop, The post will continue, even after you ban me! So do what you can, because it will not stop!! |
| 06:51.02 | Adys | <3 |
| 06:51.11 | Kirkburn | :P |
| 06:51.21 | Adys | I just find it so .. |
| 06:51.26 | Adys | I think emo is the word tbh |
| 06:51.27 | Zeal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snus |
| 06:52.03 | Zeal | really wish they would legalize.. its good alternative to help those who have trouble quitting, while improve their health and all of those around them. |
| 06:52.36 | Zeal | fyi i have tried snus once, didn't like it, heh. |
| 06:53.05 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Afrothunder75 there it is |
| 06:55.06 | Zeal | erm.. wtf how can a new page creation show up in my watchlist??? :S |
| 06:55.19 | Zeal | *by someone else |
| 06:55.22 | Kirkburn | Recreated old page? |
| 06:55.28 | Kirkburn | Which page? |
| 06:55.33 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Virtuous |
| 06:55.50 | Zeal | don't recall watching it :s |
| 06:55.51 | Kirkburn | Ah yes |
| 06:55.57 | Kirkburn | From the Template:Guild debacle |
| 06:56.10 | Kirkburn | It got moved around |
| 06:56.12 | Zeal | oh.. it got moved.. |
| 06:56.14 | Zeal | i see, kk |
| 06:56.28 | Kirkburn | Delete log: 20:55, 13 February 2007 Kirkburn (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Virtuous" (content was: '#REDIRECT Template:Guild' (and the only contributor was 'Kirkburn')) |
| 06:56.28 | Adys | or you were watching the talk page |
| 06:56.28 | Zeal | cos ofc, i was watching template:guild :p |
| 06:56.30 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 06:56.51 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Adyswatchlist.jpg mwuahhahaha |
| 06:57.07 | Kirkburn | I only have 536 |
| 06:57.18 | Adys | 321 here now |
| 06:57.26 | Adys | but i did clear it :P |
| 06:57.32 | Zeal | 958 pages watched not counting talk pages |
| 06:57.37 | Zeal | how do you see with? :S |
| 06:58.04 | Adys | you dont |
| 06:58.20 | Adys | you need to "remove all pages" then it shows this confirmation warning |
| 07:00.06 | Zeal | ah, confirmation.. |
| 07:00.19 | Zeal | 1916 |
| 07:00.49 | Adys | it watches pages not created yet too :p |
| 07:01.10 | Zeal | lol |
| 07:01.39 | Zeal | mmm.. this cauliflower & cheese is win |
| 07:02.20 | Zeal | http://www.wcradio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4740 btw |
| 07:05.23 | Laraul | I just fucking hate night... I feel like I have so much to do and yet I'm too tired to do any of it |
| 07:05.47 | Zeal | from experience, i know, if i don't have my computer, i can't sleep |
| 07:05.52 | Zeal | too much going on through my mind |
| 07:06.04 | Zeal | things i want to do, things i want to say |
| 07:06.10 | Laraul | ugh the stress makes me feel ill :/ |
| 07:06.57 | Adys | wow radio is quite fun atm btw |
| 07:07.05 | Adys | random talks |
| 07:07.08 | Laraul | i can't even watch TV cuz I feel as though i'm gonna heave |
| 07:07.13 | Zeal | i never knew cauliflower cheese could taste sooo good. |
| 07:07.13 | Adys | "Imps should get their own flying mount" |
| 07:07.21 | Zeal | whats up with you Laraul? :S |
| 07:07.36 | Laraul | I dunno... |
| 07:07.43 | Zeal | Kirkburn, Tesco's Cauliflower & Cheese.. you must try some :P |
| 07:07.50 | Laraul | Just fustrated |
| 07:08.25 | Zeal | well when that happens, i usually order a movie on ppv, and stay up till i pass out. but if that's not working for ya.. :s |
| 07:08.29 | Zeal | dunno |
| 07:09.17 | Zeal | perhaps some sleeping pills? |
| 07:09.18 | Zeal | :s |
| 07:10.15 | Laraul | I ran out the other day |
| 07:10.40 | Laraul | They don't always help either |
| 07:10.45 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/temp/judge_metzen.jpg still remains win.. |
| 07:11.01 | Zeal | well i've never taken any, but i hope ya feel better : / |
| 07:11.16 | Laraul | never? |
| 07:11.24 | Zeal | nope |
| 07:11.40 | Zeal | closest thing to that i've ever had is caough medicene that makes you drowsey, lol |
| 07:11.49 | Zeal | *cough |
| 07:12.00 | Adys | Wooot :D |
| 07:12.03 | Adys | [Formula: Enchant Weapon - Major Spellpower] after two kills =) |
| 07:12.10 | Zeal | cool |
| 07:12.16 | Laraul | I've taken like huge amounts of Geodon... |
| 07:12.31 | Adys | that was a nice surprise |
| 07:12.45 | Zeal | : / |
| 07:12.54 | Zeal | well i'm gunna go watch SGA, bbl |
| 07:12.56 | Laraul | That stuff will knock you out cold... I swear you can get shot in the arm and not wake up |
| 07:13.03 | Zeal | hehe |
| 07:13.07 | Laraul | But when you wake up you feel so awful |
| 07:13.15 | zeal | i bet |
| 07:13.20 | Laraul | So it's not worth it |
| 07:13.40 | Kirkburn | Heh, I love this sketch from Family Guy: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5TGetQ8zhE |
| 07:14.11 | Laraul | Only time I've done that is when I'm having a bad panic attack and will do anything to get me to stop |
| 07:15.05 | Kirkburn | (also this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpQTQ3IywSQ) |
| 07:15.12 | Laraul | of course... after you take a bunch of pills that just makes you panic more... at least until they kick in |
| 07:15.53 | Laraul | When they kick in... it kicks in fast... |
| 07:17.19 | Laraul | When you are anxious like that though you just aren't thinking... and you end up doing some really dumb things |
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| 08:13.09 | Zeal | Kirkburn, i maintance my opinion of family guy. yes its funny, but as a series its awful. short clips bring to light how bad it is. its simply incoherent sketches throughout an episode, no impact to the characters or a plot. |
| 08:13.44 | Zeal | *maintain :s |
| 08:14.15 | Zeal | so as shot clips, as they are on you tube, are good. but that's it. |
| 08:14.30 | Zeal | *short |
| 08:14.42 | Zeal | *they are |
| 08:15.40 | Kirkburn | Who cares if it's essentially a sketch show, it's still funny :) |
| 08:16.24 | Kirkburn | But if it's not someone enjoys, that's entirely up to them - it's a very dividing show I know |
| 08:16.34 | Kirkburn | *something someone |
| 08:17.25 | Kirkburn | It's like porn - no real story, but enjoyable in parts \o/ |
| 08:18.12 | Kirkburn | (oooh, he went there) |
| 08:19.44 | Zeal | rofl |
| 08:19.59 | Zeal | i prefer the amatuer stuff ;) |
| 08:20.34 | Zeal | i just don't feel it fills it's purpose. if it was presented as a sketch show, then fine, but it's not. |
| 08:40.07 | Kirkburn | These situations are just /stupid/ - http://www.denverpost.com/ci_4783650 and http://www.usatoday.com/tech/webguide/internetlife/2004-03-29-child-self-porn_x.htm |
| 08:44.21 | Laraul | Does Charlie die? Is his fate already written? |
| 08:45.19 | Laraul | If he is killed off man that'll suck |
| 08:48.33 | Zeal | O_o |
| 08:48.39 | Zeal | any *sigh* Kirkburn |
| 08:48.41 | Zeal | *and |
| 08:48.55 | Zeal | stupid laws ftl |
| 08:49.03 | Kirkburn | Charlie?! |
| 08:53.39 | Kirkburn | *sigh*, so I have to write a report on Foundation design for tomorrow :/ Boooring |
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| 08:56.18 | Zeal | hehe |
| 08:56.29 | Zeal | suck to be you ;) |
| 08:56.31 | Zeal | *sucks |
| 09:00.16 | Zeal | http://blizzplanet.com/news/1229/ whats the bet the "undiscovered" one is a pheonix? |
| 09:05.40 | Kirkburn | The new PCG has an attunement to Hyjal chart :) |
| 09:06.52 | Kirkburn | And yeah, sounds likely |
| 09:10.14 | Zeal | PCG? |
| 09:10.26 | Kirkburn | Pc gamer |
| 09:10.30 | Zeal | ah |
| 09:10.35 | Kirkburn | Also, it gave WoW:TBC 87% |
| 09:10.36 | Zeal | don't buy gaming mags tbh |
| 09:10.52 | Zeal | i'd probably agree with that rating |
| 09:11.15 | Zeal | wow however, would get a bit lower ;) |
| 09:11.21 | Kirkburn | They called the Arrakoa "Skettis" :/ |
| 09:11.25 | Zeal | not much however |
| 09:11.33 | Zeal | 74% or something |
| 09:11.38 | Zeal | skettis? :s |
| 09:11.56 | Zeal | isn't that from another fantasy world? |
| 09:12.45 | Kirkburn | Ooh, naughty - they used Map Viewer to get a screenshot of Hyjal (current Hyjal) |
| 09:12.58 | Kirkburn | Skettis is the Arrakoa's main city |
| 09:13.06 | Zeal | lol Kirkburn |
| 09:13.09 | Kirkburn | It's in Terokkar, only accessible by flying mount |
| 09:13.33 | Kirkburn | But yes, the name Skettis is taken from a bird-like race from elsewhere, don't recall which |
| 09:13.34 | Zeal | oh? hm.. is it like atop a waterfall? :s |
| 09:13.41 | Kirkburn | Yeah |
| 09:13.44 | Zeal | ah kk |
| 09:13.51 | Zeal | remember flying over that in map viewer ;) |
| 09:13.59 | Kirkburn | Most of their review screenshots are from Hellfire |
| 09:14.05 | Zeal | actually i remember going up there in the sandbox >_>; |
| 09:14.32 | Zeal | back when their tree buildings weren't complete |
| 09:15.11 | Zeal | and looked like giant white pinocchios.. O_o |
| 09:15.38 | Zeal | actually, looked like bill and ben.. |
| 09:15.39 | Zeal | rofl |
| 09:15.58 | Kirkburn | I do agree with one of their points - they should have added more stuff from 20-60 |
| 09:16.11 | Zeal | imo, nah |
| 09:16.26 | Zeal | i do think their should have been one new low lvl instance though |
| 09:16.32 | Kirkburn | Not a huge amount, but just a little more variety |
| 09:16.33 | Zeal | *at least one |
| 09:16.37 | Kirkburn | Yeah, that kind of thing |
| 09:16.55 | Zeal | i was expecting ZA to be that at first.. |
| 09:17.15 | Kirkburn | There's two portals in Quel'thalas, strangely |
| 09:17.34 | Kirkburn | I guess one could be a ZA back entrance |
| 09:17.38 | Zeal | oh? |
| 09:17.41 | Zeal | only seen one :s |
| 09:18.00 | Kirkburn | Yeah, I've seen people mention there's one in Eversong, and one in Ghostlands |
| 09:18.16 | Zeal | any idea where in eversong? O_o |
| 09:18.25 | Kirkburn | The troll camps, east side |
| 09:19.56 | Kirkburn | SE it says |
| 09:20.14 | Kirkburn | er, eversong |
| 09:20.38 | Kirkburn | According to the wiki's page on Eversong, anyway. "An unknown wooden gate" |
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| 09:24.04 | Kirkburn | Ooh, that reminds me |
| 09:24.14 | Kirkburn | We could probably bot moving {{bc}} to the page beginning |
| 09:24.22 | Zeal | yeah, its there, and yeah there's a raid portal behind it. |
| 09:24.31 | Zeal | aye |
| 09:24.46 | Zeal | seems to be the same entrance model as ZA |
| 09:24.52 | Kirkburn | Interesting! |
| 09:24.53 | Zeal | so backdoor maybe, yeah |
| 09:25.38 | Zeal | god damn.. i need texture aa.. |
| 09:25.52 | Kirkburn | Adys, http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Bot_Requests |
| 09:25.53 | Zeal | can't wait till i get a new gfx card, onyl thing that annoys me |
| 09:26.27 | Adys | Aye was thinking of it too kirk |
| 09:26.50 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 09:26.57 | Kirkburn | What you gonna get, Zeal? |
| 09:27.08 | Zeal | text bloackage.. that's a sign of low resources right? |
| 09:27.11 | Adys | Wait wait wait |
| 09:27.19 | Adys | your current graphic card |
| 09:27.22 | Zeal | and w/e is out tbh |
| 09:27.26 | Adys | is the ONLY THING that annoys you?!? |
| 09:27.28 | Adys | :P |
| 09:27.44 | Zeal | onyl thing that annoys me about my current gfx card :P |
| 09:27.52 | Adys | Aaah.. |
| 09:27.53 | Kirkburn | Get the nVidia 8xxx one they're about to bring out |
| 09:27.53 | Adys | lol |
| 09:28.02 | Kirkburn | It's supposed to be £300 |
| 09:28.06 | Kirkburn | $300 I mean |
| 09:28.24 | Zeal | i'm waiting for the X2900XT |
| 09:28.33 | Zeal | and an new mobo |
| 09:28.47 | Zeal | ie, a shuttle with an ati chipset |
| 09:29.03 | Zeal | with or without xfire |
| 09:30.03 | Zeal | just out of curiosity, how many processes do you guys run on average? :P |
| 09:30.18 | Kirkburn | Is that the R600? |
| 09:30.22 | Zeal | aye |
| 09:30.39 | Kirkburn | 65 processes atm |
| 09:30.45 | Zeal | and just incase you forgot, yes seen the pics, and we had a long talk about it. |
| 09:30.49 | Zeal | hm.. wow surprised |
| 09:31.06 | Kirkburn | However, this laptop is in MAJOR need of an overhaul |
| 09:31.07 | Zeal | i'm running 55 atm |
| 09:31.10 | Zeal | lol |
| 09:31.26 | Kirkburn | Not sure about my VIsta desktop |
| 09:32.11 | Kirkburn | 50 |
| 09:32.21 | Kirkburn | (just brought it out of sleep mode) |
| 09:32.33 | Zeal | apparently a big load of critical security patches today/yesterday for windows |
| 09:32.38 | Zeal | dunno which one, but i think xp |
| 09:32.44 | Kirkburn | That's with the sidebar up, several G15 processes and some progs open |
| 09:32.54 | Kirkburn | Yeah about 10 for XP |
| 09:32.57 | Zeal | svchost hates me |
| 09:33.01 | Kirkburn | Couple for Office and 2 for Vista iirc |
| 09:33.14 | Zeal | random cpu spikes and the most mem usage of anything on my pc.. |
| 09:33.28 | Kirkburn | No svhost on Vista afaik |
| 09:33.48 | Zeal | yet i've reduced the service count to what i need.. and because of the nature of services, i can't find out what the problem service is |
| 09:34.12 | Kirkburn | The list of services I have running is enormous |
| 09:34.37 | Kirkburn | Lol, I lie |
| 09:34.46 | Kirkburn | Many many svhost on Vista, but they're hidden by default |
| 09:34.51 | Zeal | yay, wowmapview has kileld my resources now it seems, everything is sluggish : / |
| 09:34.52 | Kirkburn | *svchost |
| 09:34.58 | Zeal | yeah |
| 09:35.07 | Zeal | though as much |
| 09:35.16 | Kirkburn | Hmm, Vista seems to hate me today, so gonna shut down |
| 09:35.23 | Kirkburn | Plus I'm off to Uni now |
| 09:35.28 | Zeal | microsoft: "let's just hide thme so people think they're not there.." |
| 09:35.30 | Kirkburn | Be back thia afternoon |
| 09:35.32 | Adys | cya kirk |
| 09:35.34 | Zeal | ttyl |
| 09:36.30 | Kirkburn | I should probably restart this laptop at some point ^^ |
| 09:36.53 | Kirkburn | Poor thing, it takes about 2 minutes from login to actually be usable |
| 09:37.10 | Kirkburn | Scared to put Vista on though, in case I brick it |
| 09:38.03 | Zeal | lol |
| 09:38.19 | Zeal | as i though, one of the fixes is a fix for windows defender |
| 09:38.31 | Zeal | apparently a vulnerability in it :P |
| 09:38.42 | Kirkburn | Odd, eh :) |
| 09:40.04 | Kirkburn | Right, off now |
| 09:40.06 | Kirkburn | Byee |
| 09:40.13 | Zeal | "One Microsoft Security Bulletin affecting Windows Live OneCare, Microsoft Antigen, Microsoft Windows Defender, Microsoft Forefront Security for Exchange Server and Microsoft Forefront Security for SharePoint. The highest Maximum Severity rating for these is Critical. These products provide built-in mechanisms for automatic detection and deployment of updates. Some of these updates may require a restart. |
| 09:40.15 | Zeal | lol |
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| 09:46.33 | bertio | like omg is anyone here? |
| 09:47.06 | bertio | I was just wondering what the latest lowdown is in WoW related new :P |
| 09:47.18 | bertio | rumors, blue posts, etc |
| 09:50.53 | Zeal | er.. |
| 09:51.04 | Zeal | 310% flight speed nether drake from arena |
| 09:51.24 | Zeal | 280% flight speed nether drake from soon to be added non-raid quest line. |
| 09:52.35 | Zeal | also an undiscovered 310% flight speed mount |
| 09:53.00 | Zeal | i don't really keep up with wow news |
| 09:57.51 | bertio | lol the undiscovered one is the pheonix |
| 09:57.54 | bertio | off of kaelthas |
| 10:00.08 | Zeal | sauce plx |
| 10:00.38 | Zeal | it's what i had already suspected, just want to see some confirmation :P |
| 10:03.10 | Adys | ~ping |
| 10:03.24 | infobot | pong |
| 10:03.31 | Adys | ok this is really bad |
| 10:03.43 | Adys | either infobot is lagging or i am having big problems>< |
| 10:04.16 | Zeal | infobot is lagging |
| 10:04.26 | Adys | infobot, noob |
| 10:04.27 | infobot | ACTION has died. |
| 10:04.37 | Adys | no comment |
| 10:04.41 | Zeal | oh wait.. ir forgot, infobot doesn't reply to pings |
| 10:04.43 | Zeal | .. |
| 10:04.51 | Zeal | either way, both seem fine |
| 10:05.01 | Zeal | you're not lagging at least |
| 10:05.15 | Zeal | ~ping |
| 10:05.17 | infobot | pong |
| 10:05.18 | Adys | meh been having huge internet problems the past few days |
| 10:05.31 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:05.34 | Adys | ... |
| 10:05.36 | Zeal | flood protection? |
| 10:05.40 | Adys | guess so |
| 10:05.57 | Zeal | well it's not effecting your irc it seems : / |
| 10:06.04 | Adys | it seems for you yea :P |
| 10:06.19 | Adys | miranda shows the message even if the server didnt recieve it |
| 10:06.29 | Adys | so i cant actually see if im lagging |
| 10:06.46 | Adys | Fin! |
| 10:06.48 | Adys | Hello :) |
| 10:07.16 | Zeal | omg i just saw the blue about wowwiki and stormcrow.. |
| 10:07.18 | Zeal | wtf.. |
| 10:07.28 | Adys | been fixed |
| 10:07.31 | Adys | deleted the article |
| 10:07.31 | Zeal | whoever added stormcrow should get a kick up the arse.. |
| 10:07.34 | Zeal | i know |
| 10:07.39 | Zeal | but it's tarnished rep |
| 10:08.17 | Adys | fin what the hell you doing oO |
| 10:08.27 | Zeal | he's here? |
| 10:08.42 | Adys | he keeps coming online, offline, away on irc |
| 10:09.01 | Zeal | i'm not seeing anything :S |
| 10:09.12 | Adys | miranda crap |
| 10:11.01 | Zeal | indeed |
| 10:14.47 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/2/2a/Adon.jpg wtf? |
| 10:15.28 | Zeal | hm? |
| 10:15.35 | Adys | er |
| 10:15.38 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Griffonclaw_07.gif |
| 10:15.44 | Adys | sorry :p |
| 10:15.45 | Zeal | hes the npc outside the entrance to ghoustlands from wpl.. |
| 10:15.46 | Zeal | lol |
| 10:16.08 | Zeal | not being used, i'd delete |
| 10:16.33 | Zeal | either user intended to use it be never did, or it's being hotlinked |
| 10:16.53 | Zeal | well hotlinking is disabled, but you get me. |
| 10:18.03 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:KodarGoodFace.JPG |
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| 10:19.52 | Zeal | pft, you deleted it already.. |
| 10:20.20 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Siji-and-Persis.jpg |
| 10:20.24 | Adys | are some people THAT BORED?! |
| 10:21.49 | Zeal | priv server, chars played by pervs.. that's my analysis |
| 10:22.32 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Uncategorizedpages |
| 10:22.44 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Unusedimages |
| 10:22.46 | Adys | :/ |
| 10:23.50 | Zeal | yeah.. cat team well justified :P |
| 10:24.01 | Adys | sigh |
| 10:24.11 | Adys | there used to be only the main page in this category |
| 10:24.18 | Adys | well, specialpage |
| 10:24.52 | Adys | zeal can you do me a small service |
| 10:24.56 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Guild:Immersion SD tag me that |
| 10:25.09 | winkiller | lol |
| 10:25.13 | Zeal | sd? |
| 10:25.16 | Adys | speedy |
| 10:25.22 | winkiller | is Guild namespace now already decided? |
| 10:25.28 | Adys | No |
| 10:25.28 | winkiller | or inconsistent atm? |
| 10:25.33 | winkiller | I read some proposal.. |
| 10:25.37 | Adys | atm we keep to [[ Guild Name ]] |
| 10:25.49 | winkiller | ok |
| 10:25.51 | Adys | Yea tusva wanted to move them to Server:Servername/Guildname |
| 10:25.55 | Adys | which I think is great idea |
| 10:26.29 | winkiller | the problemis, as usual with the dozens of disamb. pages |
| 10:26.39 | winkiller | als most people just use /[[ ]] |
| 10:27.30 | winkiller | back to work now... |
| 10:27.38 | Zeal | i'm fully against what tusva suggested |
| 10:27.43 | Zeal | and i'm for Guild: |
| 10:28.04 | Zeal | and i don't agree with what adys siad |
| 10:28.14 | Adys | that I know |
| 10:28.15 | Adys | lol |
| 10:28.30 | Zeal | because atm, most are going udner Guild: as i think they should, and clearly someone else before me did too. |
| 10:28.53 | Adys | dont care how its named, we do need a better guild system |
| 10:29.12 | Zeal | namespaces >_> |
| 10:29.26 | Adys | and a page with as only content for over two weeks "Coming Soon" would get deleted straight away if I was allowed to |
| 10:29.27 | Zeal | the guild disambig stuff is still unresolved |
| 10:29.41 | Zeal | you're not allowed? |
| 10:30.18 | Adys | Not allowed to delete pages straight away without either them being spam, terminated, sd tagged, obviously useless or anything |
| 10:30.46 | Adys | I can tag them SD and let another admin delete them |
| 10:30.52 | Adys | but its being very slow atm >< |
| 10:31.19 | Zeal | oh i see. i guess that makes sense, enforces a second opinion before action |
| 10:32.36 | Zeal | oo.. i know someone from that server.. |
| 10:32.41 | Zeal | hehe |
| 10:32.48 | Zeal | the vandalled one |
| 10:32.57 | Zeal | recognised the guild names :p |
| 10:33.30 | Zeal | i forget where i know them.. but i remember lots of guild hatred, insults and boasting.. |
| 10:34.26 | Zeal | hm.. how easy is it to get hold of the cinematics from wc3? :S |
| 10:34.36 | Zeal | thinking of doing a music video |
| 10:34.57 | Adys | I got a link for you for these zeal |
| 10:35.10 | Adys | search on warcraft movies for "pre wow series" |
| 10:35.21 | Zeal | i wish there was a cinematic of WotA as i have the perfect idea for it.. :( |
| 10:35.26 | Zeal | hm.. kk |
| 10:35.27 | Adys | it packs up all wc3 cinematics and cinematical moments |
| 10:35.34 | Adys | its about 9 hours total tho |
| 10:35.36 | Adys | btw |
| 10:35.37 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Contributions&target=NerdKnight+Xavier |
| 10:36.16 | Zeal | oh lame.. winmpq is not backwards compat.. |
| 10:36.22 | Zeal | can't open the wc3 mpq's :( |
| 10:36.32 | Adys | try MPQMaster |
| 10:36.40 | Adys | sec got a link for you |
| 10:36.47 | Zeal | using mpqeditor |
| 10:37.22 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/mpqmaster.zip |
| 10:37.25 | Adys | say when you got it |
| 10:37.31 | Zeal | nice.. tells me it's not an mpq file, but really an avi file and i can play it |
| 10:37.39 | Zeal | nah, don;t want it :p |
| 10:37.45 | Adys | sure? |
| 10:37.54 | Zeal | benefit of it? |
| 10:38.01 | Adys | tis a good extractor |
| 10:38.10 | Adys | and its made entirely for the old games |
| 10:38.10 | Zeal | link is dead anyways ;) |
| 10:38.19 | Zeal | in which case, nah |
| 10:38.24 | Adys | not for me :P |
| 10:38.35 | Zeal | mpq editor was made from for all blizzgames |
| 10:38.42 | Zeal | and was the first to update for 2.0 |
| 10:38.45 | Adys | ok |
| 10:38.55 | Zeal | *-from |
| 10:39.48 | Zeal | yay |
| 10:39.52 | Zeal | they are really avi files |
| 10:39.57 | Zeal | just renamed to mpq |
| 10:40.09 | Zeal | play directly |
| 10:40.28 | Zeal | i just realized.. |
| 10:40.32 | Adys | lol |
| 10:40.44 | Zeal | arthas is escorted by two, what seem to be, spellbreakers :s |
| 10:41.02 | Zeal | ok nvm they're not |
| 10:41.06 | Zeal | trick of the light :p |
| 10:46.17 | Zeal | think i need to redownload vegas |
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| 10:49.51 | Kirkburn | Boo! |
| 10:50.49 | Kirkburn | said the goose |
| 10:52.52 | Kirkburn | Odd, the Main Page reports "This page has been accessed 9,907,258 times", whereas Popular Pages says "Main Page ‎(11,035,591 views)" |
| 10:53.12 | Adys | pff, 2 millions difference, whats the matter kirk |
| 10:53.25 | Adys | stop being so picky on details! |
| 10:57.04 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 10:57.13 | Kirkburn | Anyway, off again. On Uni PC atm |
| 10:57.25 | Kirkburn | Probably be back over lunch |
| 10:57.51 | Kirkburn | See ya |
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| 11:09.35 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 11:10.04 | Zeal | was the Undead Ending (archimonde destroying dalaran) supposed to have subtitles? :S |
| 11:10.19 | Zeal | and lol Adys |
| 11:10.29 | Adys | mm? |
| 11:11.05 | Adys | ~ping |
| 11:11.16 | infobot | pong |
| 11:11.16 | Adys | internet going mad |
| 11:11.28 | Adys | brb |
| 11:21.07 | Zeal | lol, google knows wow = world of warcraft :p |
| 11:21.13 | Zeal | its translates it, gg. |
| 11:35.55 | axxo | lofl |
| 11:37.13 | Zeal | that's a new one :P |
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| 12:03.53 | Zeal | adys |
| 12:03.55 | Zeal | you been busy |
| 12:03.59 | Zeal | wb |
| 12:04.00 | Adys | mm? |
| 12:04.01 | Adys | aye |
| 12:04.05 | Adys | internet is being odd |
| 12:04.29 | Zeal | you might want to check the changes i just made the the lore policy |
| 12:05.00 | Zeal | seemed you forgot there ws two polices on that page, and that it needed to be switched to ratified, not left as proposed. |
| 12:05.53 | Zeal | anyways.. either way, i'll be recalling it, and failing that, leaving wowwiki if gets adopted. : / |
| 12:06.20 | Adys | might be i didnt sleep yet |
| 12:06.31 | Adys | just revert me if im going blind please |
| 12:06.35 | Zeal | lol |
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| 12:06.40 | Adys | and ffs |
| 12:06.40 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoW-Handwerk |
| 12:06.43 | Zeal | nah, you sorta half did things was all :p |
| 12:06.48 | Zeal | lo Montag_ |
| 12:06.49 | Zeal | lol |
| 12:06.56 | Zeal | bye Montagg :p |
| 12:07.33 | Zeal | delete? |
| 12:07.45 | Zeal | its a stub, its in german, the site is in german.. serves no purpose. |
| 12:07.57 | Zeal | *it'll be in german |
| 12:08.32 | Zeal | had to change the codec hex for the wow cinematics ofc.. |
| 12:08.40 | Zeal | stupid thing.. |
| 12:09.22 | Zeal | tested out matching the music i planned to footage |
| 12:09.23 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Fansites&curid=12782&diff=500638&oldid=500635&rcid=411258 FFS n°2 does he do it on purpose or what |
| 12:09.28 | Zeal | worked perfectly :) |
| 12:10.20 | Zeal | i'd remove, let him know it belongs on the german wiki, as being in english, it doesn't serve the needs of visitors |
| 12:10.29 | Zeal | *in german |
| 12:10.47 | Zeal | those who want german only sites, can go to the german wiki for it.. |
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| 12:10.52 | Zeal | wait.. is there a german wiki? :s |
| 12:11.02 | Adys | yes |
| 12:11.09 | Zeal | had to double check :P |
| 12:11.10 | Zeal | kk |
| 12:11.13 | Adys | wow-wiki.net |
| 12:11.16 | Zeal | well yeah.. what i said :P |
| 12:11.26 | Adys | had to move stuff there from wowwiki yesterday afternoon.. |
| 12:11.34 | Zeal | : / |
| 12:11.37 | Adys | fucking hell, registering was a pain |
| 12:11.58 | Zeal | rofl |
| 12:12.03 | Zeal | try registering on a korean site.. |
| 12:14.28 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Hate_Guild how am i supposed to handle that.. |
| 12:14.35 | Adys | non author claims a guild is dead |
| 12:14.40 | Adys | and sd it >< |
| 12:15.58 | Adys | meh sod it ill just leave it |
| 12:16.08 | Adys | lunch and bed for me, ill be back later |
| 12:16.41 | Afkdys | and Im copyrighting the name of Afkdys today, too >< |
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| 12:19.51 | Zeal | rofl |
| 12:19.52 | Zeal | nice |
| 12:19.55 | Zeal | ttyl |
| 12:24.31 | Zeal | yay, knew it would happen in time :P |
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| 12:45.33 | Zeal | fucking shit ass network.. |
| 12:45.36 | Zeal | yay, i can't access ns until i register |
| 12:45.41 | Zeal | thus ghost = useless |
| 12:46.06 | Zeal | also if i don't choose an alt nick, i can't stay connected |
| 12:46.36 | Zeal | fucking hate this version of ns, and the no pm without register just complicates everything even more.. |
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| 13:54.02 | Zeal | wb again Montagg |
| 13:55.41 | Montagg | ty Zeal |
| 13:59.26 | Zeal | :) |
| 14:23.41 | Zeal | nn all |
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| 14:46.54 | Wala | hi |
| 14:47.09 | Wala | hello? |
| 14:47.43 | Wala | I never used Irc, anyone here? |
| 14:47.52 | equiraptor | Yeah. |
| 14:48.06 | equiraptor | Lots of people lurk on IRC, though. |
| 14:48.08 | Wala | hi! |
| 14:48.13 | equiraptor | Hello. |
| 14:48.27 | Wala | I'm trying to edit a page, there are several typos on it |
| 14:48.35 | Wala | but I can't edit it like the others I did |
| 14:48.51 | Wala | It's the Cenarion expedition page (http://www.wowwiki.com/Cenarion_Expedition), the rewards are bugged |
| 14:48.57 | Wala | but I don't know how to fix it |
| 14:49.01 | Wala | could you tell me how to do it? |
| 14:49.11 | equiraptor | You're logged in on the website, right? |
| 14:49.31 | Wala | yes |
| 14:49.41 | equiraptor | Hrm. I dunno. I'm waiting for the page to load. |
| 14:50.22 | equiraptor | Darnit, it doesn't look like it wants to load. |
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| 14:50.43 | Wala | http://www.wowwiki.com/Cenarion_Expedition |
| 14:50.46 | Wala | try now |
| 14:50.52 | Wala | maybe it was the ) on the end of it |
| 14:51.30 | Wala | did it work now? |
| 14:52.34 | equiraptor | It's not the link |
| 14:52.44 | equiraptor | WoWWiki has a pretty heavy load, and my work does some odd things with the connection. |
| 14:52.51 | equiraptor | So the page just doesn't always load for me. |
| 14:53.02 | Wala | hmm |
| 14:53.05 | Wala | it's a big page |
| 14:53.13 | equiraptor | Hrm. |
| 14:53.31 | equiraptor | It loaded for me, and I was able to reach the edit page. |
| 14:53.33 | Wala | 17 pagedown's on my browser |
| 14:53.37 | equiraptor | When you try to edit it, what happens? |
| 14:53.45 | Wala | look at the end of it |
| 14:53.48 | Wala | the exalted rewards |
| 14:54.22 | equiraptor | Ah, I see. |
| 14:54.41 | equiraptor | So what do you do to try to edit it, and what happens? |
| 14:54.56 | Wala | I don't know how to edit |
| 14:55.06 | Wala | it don't shows a box of info to change, just the name of it |
| 14:55.15 | Wala | how do I fix the problem on the layout? |
| 14:55.22 | Wala | is there anywhere else that I have to change? |
| 14:55.27 | Wala | like a template or something? |
| 14:56.17 | equiraptor | Ummmmm.... |
| 14:56.21 | equiraptor | I'm thinking. |
| 14:56.28 | equiraptor | Honestly, I'm not very familiar with the wiki. |
| 14:56.36 | equiraptor | I hang out or IRC because I love IRC. ;) But I'm thinking. |
| 14:57.09 | Wala | heh |
| 14:57.33 | Wala | the list on the right, it's the people on the irc? |
| 14:57.44 | equiraptor | Probably. |
| 14:57.53 | equiraptor | That kind of stuff varies depending on your IRC client and your settings. |
| 14:57.59 | equiraptor | My IRC client doesn't have a list on the right. |
| 14:58.05 | Wala | hmm |
| 14:58.17 | Wala | never used IRC before, I'm using mIRC |
| 14:58.26 | equiraptor | My guess is that those items are appearing oddly there because only part of their information is listed in the WoWWiki database. |
| 14:58.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | Wala |
| 14:58.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | yes |
| 14:58.53 | Wala | I think so too |
| 14:58.55 | equiraptor | Or because it's not entered correctly. |
| 14:59.00 | equiraptor | Woot! My brain works. |
| 14:59.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | woot! |
| 14:59.16 | Wala | there are like a hundred templates listed on the edit of the rewards |
| 14:59.18 | equiraptor | So, to fix that, you'd need to fix the data on the items. |
| 14:59.33 | Wala | but I have no idea on how to edit/fix it |
| 14:59.33 | Wala | >.< |
| 14:59.43 | equiraptor | Look at the differences between http://www.wowwiki.com/Earthwarden and http://www.wowwiki.com/Windcaller%27s_Orb |
| 15:00.10 | equiraptor | That looks like more a formatting issue than anything else, though. |
| 15:01.20 | Wala | well, I must go back to work |
| 15:01.25 | Wala | I'll take a closer look at it later tonight |
| 15:01.29 | Wala | thanks a lot tough :D |
| 15:06.01 | Montagg | equiraptor: Looks like someone didn't set the vertical-align properly on that table. Let me fix it fast. |
| 15:06.06 | Montagg | Was that the only problem? |
| 15:07.00 | equiraptor | The main problem wala was talking about was the lack of item information in http://www.wowwiki.com/Cenarion_Expedition, in the exalted section. |
| 15:07.23 | equiraptor | The Orb was just one example of a problem item. I haven't looked at all the items yet. |
| 15:08.02 | Montagg | Hm. Okay. |
| 15:11.32 | Montagg | SlowWiki... |
| 15:11.43 | equiraptor | Yeah. I was running into that earlier. :/ |
| 15:14.06 | Montagg | Hurray for over-templatization. |
| 15:14.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Yarrrr! |
| 15:15.42 | Kirkburn|afk | For god's sake, my delivery was carded /again/ |
| 15:15.46 | Montagg | We better fuckin' get one. This is getting ridiculous. |
| 15:16.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Oddly, the telephone number I've been given isn't for a company, and doesn't sound like the delivery person either |
| 15:16.36 | Montagg | If we don't, I definitely suggest we do a couple things to relieve the strain on the wiki until we do get one, like convert templatized tool-tips into something light weight and stable. |
| 15:17.06 | Montagg | Kirkburn|afk: Have you called it? |
| 15:17.21 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, got an answer phone for a lady called Sarah |
| 15:17.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Gonna try again in a few mins |
| 15:18.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Can't think what I could leave as a message ... I mean, I have no idea who the person is :/ |
| 15:18.27 | sancus | what does 'carded' mean |
| 15:18.39 | sancus | when referring to deliveries? :P |
| 15:19.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Card thru the door saying "we tried to deliver, but couldn't. Please blah blah blah rhubarb rhubarb..." |
| 15:19.10 | sancus | oh |
| 15:19.10 | sancus | lol |
| 15:19.15 | sancus | well be there newb |
| 15:19.29 | Kirkburn|afk | I normally am! |
| 15:22.43 | Montagg | I'm seriously considering just not editing at all until we get an upgrade. |
| 15:22.59 | Kirkburn|afk | :/ |
| 15:23.12 | Montagg | I have to block out like ten minutes of time to fix spelling mistakes. =c) |
| 15:25.32 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 15:25.55 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, always remember to Select All and Copy before making big edits ;) |
| 15:26.26 | Kirkburn|afk | ffs, what is it with pretty much every german website in existence. They ALL have the same bloody popup |
| 15:26.54 | Kirkburn|afk | (and all of them do not close properly, and use your click to open a new page) |
| 15:27.43 | Kirkburn|afk | It may occur for you on this site as an example (click one of the links) - http://wowmaps.de/ |
| 15:29.02 | Kirkburn|afk | I just find it unbelievable that german-speaker put up with that crap. Many of the sites also have popups built in. |
| 15:29.08 | Kirkburn|afk | *speakers |
| 15:30.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Montagg, btw, agreed abuot Gsdkp |
| 15:30.51 | Montagg | Cool. |
| 15:31.28 | Montagg | Kirkburn|afk: Does NPOV have information about advertising? |
| 15:31.36 | Kirkburn|afk | So long as he doesn't do it to every page (which he hasn't been), fine by me. Especially since on most of those pages, they didn't yet have the loot. |
| 15:31.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Good question, shall have a look |
| 15:34.25 | Kirkburn|afk | "Hi, this is Sarah. Can't get to the phone right now" etc etc ... that's what I call an odd message for arranging a delivery with. Hmm. I mean, I guess the delivery person could be her, but sounds odd. |
| 15:35.50 | Montagg | Kirkburn|afk: Definitely sounds like a cell phone or something. The company might give them phones for work and the employees just use them as personal phones, too. |
| 15:36.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, it's a mobile number |
| 15:36.28 | Montagg | By the way, I made a post on Village pump about how to reduce the load on the wiki temporarily if we don't get an upgrade. |
| 15:36.37 | Kirkburn|afk | I saw. And then I couldn't access it. |
| 15:36.43 | Montagg | >< |
| 15:37.02 | Montagg | If I were a new editor, I wouldn't be for very long at this point. |
| 15:37.17 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
| 15:38.33 | Montagg | WW:NPOV does mention not using "self-promotion." Nothing specific to advertising. Although I feel like I've read it somewhere, anyway... |
| 15:39.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Might be a guideline? |
| 15:39.46 | Montagg | Might be. |
| 15:40.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Side topic - we should go over the templates we have an make sure they're as simple as possible. We have so many atm (and I think some of them are overused) |
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| 15:40.40 | Gnarfoz | from within function "LinksUpdate::invalidatePages". MySQL returned error "1205: Lock wait timeout exceeded; try restarting transaction (localhost)". <-- hm? Oo |
| 15:40.52 | Gnarfoz | getting this at www.wowwiki.com/Aldor |
| 15:42.08 | Montagg | I think many of our templates very deep, in that they call other templates, which in turn call more templates. Good reuse of code, but it's making the server work it's ass off. |
| 15:42.16 | Montagg | ^many of our templates are |
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| 15:42.55 | Kirkburn|afk | vlad_, we're just getting WoWWiki has an error again and again atm |
| 15:43.27 | Montagg | I was just editing Cenarion Expedition, and when you're looking at the edit page, you notice at the bottom the absurd list of pulled-in code. Mostly from tooltips, but the list is huge. |
| 15:44.15 | Kirkburn|afk | We didn't get this kind of effect before, though :/ |
| 15:44.41 | Montagg | Right, but our tooltips are more complex now. They actually do processing instead of just text formatting. |
| 15:44.46 | Montagg | ^our templates are more complex |
| 15:45.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, UK PS3 pre-orders if anyone wants one: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0007SV734?tag2=britishgaming-21 |
| 15:45.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Gnarfoz, works here. Now. Eventually. |
| 15:45.53 | Gnarfoz | hm, not yet, for me |
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| 15:47.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Argh. I give up for now. Must be high load atm for some reason. |
| 15:47.39 | sancus | there you go |
| 15:47.58 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, what's going down? |
| 15:48.09 | sancus | no idea, I restarted everything though |
| 15:48.10 | Kirkburn|afk | (unfortunate turn of phrase) |
| 15:48.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, cool, thanks |
| 15:48.36 | sancus | hm |
| 15:48.40 | sancus | looks like you guys broke that aldor page, tho |
| 15:48.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Fine for me ... |
| 15:48.58 | sancus | oh |
| 15:49.05 | sancus | nm, just had to refresh it like 4 times |
| 15:49.18 | Kirkburn|afk | :) |
| 15:49.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Speedy wiki now |
| 15:51.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Still, gonna go and read PC Gamer. They gave TBC 87% which I think is fair |
| 15:51.14 | Kirkburn|afk | And morning Bagginsww |
| 15:51.20 | Montagg | Kirkburn|afk: What did they say was wrong with it? |
| 15:51.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Not groundbreaking |
| 15:52.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh and lack of new stuff from 20-60 |
| 15:53.05 | Montagg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:53.16 | Kirkburn|afk | They changed rest XP |
| 15:53.17 | Kirkburn|afk | ?? |
| 15:53.34 | Montagg | You just get less of it for the amount of time you don't play. |
| 15:53.47 | Kirkburn|afk | Interesting |
| 15:53.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Shall read the review now bbl with more :) |
| 15:54.22 | Montagg | I levelled a warlock to 60 on my friend's account between September and December, and I wouldn't play for maybe 36-48 hours, come back and have a half to 3/4 of level (maybe more) full of rest XP. |
| 15:54.39 | Montagg | Now, I do the same thing and I only get about a quarter to a third of a level. |
| 15:55.14 | Kirkburn|afk | I can't decide whether to level a new char |
| 15:55.33 | Kirkburn|afk | I think I'll get a BE and draenei to 20, then see how I feel |
| 15:55.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 15:56.06 | Tuqui-tuqui | I would never betray my lovely mage |
| 15:56.10 | Tuqui-tuqui | <3 to the max |
| 15:56.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, well my warlock dude is already 70 |
| 15:56.28 | Kirkburn|afk | I do have a 42 pally to level someday |
| 15:56.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | Im trying to see if I can get to 60 fast enough to join a horde raid to open AQ :D |
| 15:56.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Rest of my chars are 21 and under |
| 15:56.59 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
| 15:57.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Go you! |
| 15:57.13 | Tuqui-tuqui | ^_^ |
| 15:57.28 | Kirkburn|afk | So you can open AQ ... and then never go ;) |
| 15:57.58 | Tuqui-tuqui | :< |
| 15:58.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | hehe |
| 15:58.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | meh |
| 15:58.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | im all about world content |
| 15:58.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | actually |
| 15:58.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | I want that damned bug mount |
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| 16:07.41 | Seracht | hey |
| 16:07.43 | Seracht | quick question guys |
| 16:07.51 | Seracht | do you know if there is a mirror for downloading BC? |
| 16:07.58 | Seracht | I got the game via online upgrade but torrents :'( |
| 16:08.09 | Tuqui-tuqui | hmm.... |
| 16:08.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | I think Fileplanet has the game |
| 16:08.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | oh wait |
| 16:08.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | you mean something you dont have to pay for? |
| 16:08.30 | Seracht | TBC |
| 16:08.36 | Seracht | yes if possible |
| 16:08.41 | Seracht | and fileplanet has wow I think |
| 16:08.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | cant help you there ^_^ sorry |
| 16:08.58 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, you can download it from Blizz |
| 16:09.23 | Kirkburn|afk | Both Us and EU sites have info about it now afaik |
| 16:09.48 | Seracht | Kirkburn|afk its via blizzard downloader aka torrents |
| 16:09.53 | Seracht | and my ISP throttles |
| 16:09.59 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh right, I see |
| 16:10.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Change ISP ;) |
| 16:10.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | hehe |
| 16:10.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Note sure then |
| 16:10.27 | Kirkburn|afk | *not |
| 16:10.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Which client do you need, US? |
| 16:10.49 | Seracht | yes sir |
| 16:11.09 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_mirrors#Full_Client_Download |
| 16:11.21 | Kirkburn|afk | The Stormrager one might work for you? |
| 16:11.28 | Seracht | hmm |
| 16:11.29 | Seracht | trying |
| 16:11.33 | Seracht | give me a sec |
| 16:11.45 | Seracht | brb 2 mins |
| 16:11.48 | Seracht | gotta turn off the vpn |
| 16:12.13 | Kirkburn|afk | Hmm, appears to require registration |
| 16:12.32 | Kirkburn|afk | In any case, beyond the Mirrors page, I can't help futher :/ |
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| 16:12.45 | Arog | ok |
| 16:12.47 | Arog | <-- seracht |
| 16:12.53 | Arog | but anyways, the stormrager one is 1.16 gb |
| 16:13.01 | Arog | the torrents I see on torrentspy, are 2.4 gb |
| 16:17.10 | Arog | do you guys think if I get the TBC repair.exe |
| 16:17.18 | Arog | it will 'repair' all the files |
| 16:17.20 | Montagg | Anyone else noticed a decrease in rest xp accumulation? |
| 16:20.48 | Arog | omg |
| 16:20.49 | Arog | finally |
| 16:20.52 | Arog | 500 kb/sec |
| 16:20.54 | Arog | :D |
| 16:20.58 | Arog | Thanks Kirkburn|afk |
| 16:21.30 | Kirkburn|afk | woot |
| 16:21.56 | Kirkburn|afk | 1.16 is kinda low, you'll have to find out :) |
| 16:24.58 | Arog | ya |
| 16:25.01 | Arog | zipped probably |
| 16:25.46 | Arog | like insane zipped up |
| 16:25.58 | Arog | so what servers are you guys on |
| 16:26.13 | Arog | honestly....how long does ti take someone to Ping Timeout on this server lol |
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| 16:31.14 | Seracht | finally |
| 16:41.30 | Montagg | Apparently there's supposed to be a rest XP penalty for having more than one character per server (or per account, I'm not sure). I'm going to test the exact numbers over the next week. |
| 16:41.46 | Montagg | At least by server, because I only have access to one account. |
| 16:42.41 | Seracht | Montagg I doubt it lol |
| 16:43.52 | Montagg | Seracht: Well, I've noticed a drop in the amount of rest xp I've accumulated from pre-BC. I'm not sure if there's been a nerf to the conversion rate or something else, so I'm going to test this penalty. |
| 16:43.57 | Montagg | It |
| 16:44.04 | Montagg | ^It will test the conversion rate as well. |
| 16:45.24 | Gnarfoz | <Arog> honestly....how long does ti take someone to Ping Timeout on this server lol <-- quite long :> |
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| 17:19.44 | Wala | hi |
| 17:20.18 | Wala | anyone here? |
| 17:20.40 | equiraptor | Moo. |
| 17:21.00 | Wala | . /ponder |
| 17:21.39 | equiraptor | In some clients, you can use /say to say something that starts with a slash. |
| 17:21.51 | equiraptor | so /say /laugh lets me.... |
| 17:21.53 | equiraptor | /laugh |
| 17:22.13 | equiraptor | You can also use /me to do actions.... /me laughs gives: |
| 17:22.47 | Wala | ^^ |
| 17:22.49 | Wala | thanks |
| 17:23.03 | equiraptor | :) |
| 17:24.04 | Seracht | w00t |
| 17:24.06 | Seracht | 10 minutes till bc is done |
| 17:25.00 | Wala | ? |
| 17:25.15 | Wala | sorry? |
| 17:25.27 | Seracht | nothiing heh |
| 17:25.43 | Seracht | which patches do I need to dl after I install BC? |
| 17:26.01 | Wala | 2.0.1 up to 2.0.7 |
| 17:26.09 | Wala | 2.0.3 is big, like 200mb |
| 17:26.13 | Wala | or more |
| 17:26.18 | Seracht | so its originally at 2.0.1? |
| 17:26.18 | Wala | maybe 300mb |
| 17:26.22 | Wala | no |
| 17:26.23 | Seracht | so I do not need to get 1.12.x -> 2.0.1 |
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| 17:26.24 | Wala | it's 2.0.0 |
| 17:26.28 | Seracht | or do I need that |
| 17:26.47 | Seracht | oh wait I get it |
| 17:26.48 | Seracht | thanks |
| 17:26.48 | Wala | you're downloading wow normal or bc? |
| 17:26.54 | Wala | bc is already with 1.12.x |
| 17:28.02 | Seracht | i have wow 1.11 |
| 17:28.05 | Seracht | going to instal BC |
| 17:28.08 | Seracht | which will take me 2.0.0 |
| 17:28.18 | Seracht | I am downloading 2.0.0 -> 2.0.3 then downloading 2.0.3 -> 2.0.7 |
| 17:31.40 | Wala | ahm |
| 17:31.41 | Wala | no |
| 17:31.46 | Wala | you're downloading BC |
| 17:31.53 | Wala | BC <> Wow normal |
| 17:32.18 | Wala | BC isn't a upgrate do wow |
| 17:32.22 | Wala | it's an entire new installation |
| 17:32.32 | Wala | you'll will understand after log on it |
| 17:39.30 | Seracht | um ok |
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| 17:58.00 | Seracht | um |
| 17:58.01 | Seracht | something is wrong |
| 17:58.07 | Seracht | I downloaded the 1.x -> 2.0.1 |
| 17:58.09 | Seracht | but..... |
| 17:58.16 | Seracht | it won't ugprade saying it has to be 1.12 and mine is 1.11 |
| 17:58.19 | Seracht | how can I upgrade now |
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| 18:19.31 | Seracht | never mind :) |
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| 19:28.53 | Montagg | Anyone on who has a WoW account with very few characters created on it? |
| 19:31.48 | Adys | Yea montagg |
| 19:32.03 | Adys | only 4 on main serv and about 3 more on other servs |
| 19:32.11 | Montagg | Adys: I'm trying to test whether or not the number of characters you have on your account affects rest XP accumulation. |
| 19:32.12 | Adys | deleted half of them few days ago to cleanup>< |
| 19:32.19 | Adys | oO |
| 19:32.24 | Adys | it doesnt, why would it? |
| 19:32.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | .... |
| 19:32.49 | Montagg | It's on the Rest article, but I also feel like rest XP accumulation is slow compared to pre-BC. |
| 19:33.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | ooohhh |
| 19:33.09 | Montagg | Right now I'm testing if the amount of characters you have on an individual server affects it. |
| 19:33.17 | Tuqui-tuqui | speaking on XP |
| 19:33.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | when I reach 60 |
| 19:33.31 | Tuqui-tuqui | I dont have TBC yet |
| 19:33.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | will my XP keep accumulating |
| 19:33.38 | Montagg | Adys: Can you do me a favor? Can you pick a PvP server you have no characters on, make an undead character, and log it off in Brill? |
| 19:33.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | or will it stop at 60 |
| 19:33.46 | Adys | Sure |
| 19:34.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | make sure you dont get killed! |
| 19:34.18 | Adys | Though I cant see how it can technically affect it tbh :P |
| 19:34.21 | Adys | omw |
| 19:34.22 | Montagg | Adys: Can you also check back every 8 hours or so and see how much rest xp it has? |
| 19:34.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | 0.o |
| 19:34.54 | Montagg | The article mentions that there's a slight penalty in order to hinder people from using rest XP to power level two characters at once. |
| 19:34.57 | Adys | Okies ill try to remember that :P |
| 19:35.08 | Montagg | Adys: Awesome. You rock. |
| 19:35.24 | Adys | Agamaggan |
| 19:35.58 | Montagg | So that's your 8th character? |
| 19:36.09 | Adys | I have to check |
| 19:36.25 | Adys | first char on this server |
| 19:37.23 | Montagg | How many do you have on your account total now? |
| 19:38.00 | Adys | No idea, Ill tell you when I log off my char with this name that is purely awesome |
| 19:38.05 | Montagg | K. |
| 19:38.11 | Adys | "Restedxpftw" |
| 19:38.11 | Montagg | Heh, what's that? |
| 19:38.16 | Montagg | Hehe. |
| 19:38.24 | Montagg | I have two characters on two servers named Testrestxp. |
| 19:38.50 | Adys | lol, Bayne |
| 19:39.09 | Adys | just as I got out of deathknell rare mob lvl 10 :[ |
| 19:40.23 | Montagg | Awww, owned. |
| 19:40.23 | Adys | right ill check at 04.40 how much rested xp i have |
| 19:40.23 | Montagg | You rock. Thanks so much for your help. |
| 19:40.23 | Adys | np |
| 19:40.46 | Montagg | If you're off by a bit, that's fine. Or if the time is just unreasonable, like in the middle of the night. Just record the exact time you do check. |
| 19:41.19 | Adys | dont worry |
| 19:41.21 | Adys | I just woke up :P |
| 19:41.29 | Adys | 11th character total counting french and german realms |
| 19:41.37 | Montagg | Same account, though? |
| 19:41.47 | Adys | make it 10th |
| 19:41.47 | Adys | aye |
| 19:41.56 | Montagg | K. And what time is it there right now? |
| 19:42.01 | Adys | 20.41 |
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| 19:42.39 | Montagg | All right. Awesome. |
| 19:45.50 | KrmtDfrog | Request #1 |
| 19:45.58 | KrmtDfrog | move the search box further up pls |
| 19:46.08 | KrmtDfrog | having to hit pg down to get to the search feature is :( |
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| 19:52.52 | jinxed | yo |
| 19:54.31 | Adys | alo |
| 20:04.15 | jinxed | so i found an error on one of the pages.. and i dont know how to fix it ;x |
| 20:04.26 | jinxed | http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchantment |
| 20:04.42 | jinxed | presence of might according to thottbot allakhazam is 10stam/10def/15block value |
| 20:05.06 | jinxed | wowwiki reports it as 10/7/15 |
| 20:07.27 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Popularpages |
| 20:07.35 | Adys | dingdong, comparison is third now |
| 20:33.32 | Kaso | jinxed you there? |
| 20:34.48 | Kaso | what you need to do is click on the link at the top right "create account" then sign up for an account, when you've done that return to the enchantment page, and click the link "Edit this page" then scroll down the textbox until you see that part that is errored, then correct the error then hit save |
| 20:37.18 | Laraul | Hello There |
| 20:44.52 | jinxed | i did all that, i just could find the part that was error once i clicked edit |
| 20:45.03 | jinxed | couldnt* |
| 20:45.16 | jinxed | had an error* |
| 20:45.20 | jinxed | jeez i cant type ;x |
| 20:46.37 | jinxed | lets try again: I managed everything but finding the error once i had clicked the edit page button. |
| 20:48.34 | Kaso | press Ctr-F type in "+10 Stamina, +7 Defense, +15 Shield Block" and hit enter |
| 20:48.40 | Kaso | it should take you to the right point |
| 20:53.57 | |FF|Im2good4u | hm does int still increase the rate of gaining weapon skills ? |
| 20:54.45 | equiraptor | http://www.wowwiki.com/Enchantment/Tables/Armor/Head <-- that may be the page you need to edit, jinxed. |
| 20:57.38 | Laraul | $wait(3) |
| 20:57.57 | Laraul | $wait(3) |
| 21:01.54 | equiraptor | I've restarted gnawing on my hand. |
| 21:02.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | I blame the american school system |
| 21:02.09 | equiraptor | But I don't think that's because of the WoWWiki slowness. |
| 21:02.32 | equiraptor | Oh, hey, I have my mechanic's home address now. |
| 21:02.37 | equiraptor | MWAHAHAHAHAHA |
| 21:02.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | ok... |
| 21:02.46 | Tuqui-tuqui | stalker.... |
| 21:02.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | eek! |
| 21:02.58 | equiraptor | Hey, he gave me the paper. |
| 21:03.04 | jinxed | fixed the text |
| 21:03.07 | Tuqui-tuqui | you even mad Idylla quit |
| 21:03.11 | equiraptor | It's the proof of insurance on the car I'm buying from him. |
| 21:03.13 | jinxed | how do i fix the graphics |
| 21:03.13 | jinxed | http://www.wowwiki.com/Presence_of_Might |
| 21:03.22 | jinxed | the picutgre |
| 21:03.24 | jinxed | picture* |
| 21:03.36 | jinxed | erm nvm |
| 21:04.11 | equiraptor | Dang. He wins. The address isn't in google maps. |
| 21:05.03 | equiraptor | Ah hah! Mapquest found it for me. |
| 21:05.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | make sure its the same state |
| 21:05.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | once I got an address in Montana |
| 21:05.49 | equiraptor | Oh, it is. |
| 21:05.59 | equiraptor | In fact, three of my close friends live in the same neighborhood. |
| 21:06.12 | Tuqui-tuqui | I was wondring why I got a 45 hour commute |
| 21:06.13 | equiraptor | One of them may even live about a block away, if I'm remembering right. |
| 21:06.18 | Tuqui-tuqui | when Manhattan is 20 minutes from me |
| 21:16.18 | equiraptor | Haha. My mechanic lives 3 blocks away from a close friend of mine. |
| 21:16.46 | equiraptor | And another ~15 blocks from another friend, and then probably 2 miles from a third. |
| 21:16.56 | equiraptor | That neighborhood has a high equi-friends concentration. |
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| 21:45.12 | karat | There should be a picture of the heroic portal |
| 21:45.15 | karat | under heroic difficulty |
| 21:52.05 | Gnarfoz | is it different? |
| 21:55.59 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=140954162&pageNo=1&sid=1#0 hm |
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| 22:27.29 | Sky2042 | Hmm, question someone |
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| 22:28.22 | Sky2042 | For the Onyxia key quest chain, would you suggest adding all the steps in at the bottom of the page, or only those which are technically considered part of the chain? |
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| 22:42.01 | jinxed | sky2042, you might want to add that if you discard your neck piece you can go get another. |
| 22:52.16 | Sky2042 | sholdn't that go on the item page? ;P |
| 22:53.05 | Karrion | Montagg: guess who's at it again http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Talk:Blood_knight&curid=46241&diff=501400&oldid=498717 |
| 22:54.02 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 22:54.07 | Sky2042 | He just doesn't quit. |
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| 23:13.51 | Montagg | He'll quit. |
| 23:19.10 | Montagg | Angry ogre's comments moved to his talk page. Thanks Karrion. |
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