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00:15.58 | BCIAF | hey guys! |
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04:24.59 | Kirkburn|afk | AAAARgh: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Mag%27har#Brown_skin_for_orc__players.3F |
04:28.03 | BCIAF | ? |
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04:38.10 | Kirkburn|afk | BCIAF, just crazy circular arguements |
04:38.31 | BCIAF | lol ok |
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06:31.40 | BCIAF | whats this walking gryphon thing i heard about? |
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07:01.05 | Kirkburn|afk | BCIAF, what do you mean? |
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07:16.02 | BCIAF | I mean, where do you get the mount, its stats and cost n stuff? |
07:18.32 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't know of a walking gryphon, they all fly and walk |
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07:23.10 | BCIAF | its -like- a walking grphon |
07:23.29 | BCIAF | *gryphon |
07:48.15 | Tusva | the cockatrice? |
07:48.24 | Tusva | ie: The Blood Elf mount? |
07:50.03 | BCIAF | no.. |
07:50.08 | BCIAF | and its a hawkstrider now. |
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07:52.25 | Tusva | potayto potahto :P |
07:55.23 | BCIAF | umm |
07:55.26 | BCIAF | under copper ore |
07:55.30 | BCIAF | it says prospectable? |
07:55.46 | BCIAF | what does that mean? |
07:56.09 | Tusva | jewelcrafters can prospect it for gems, i believe |
07:56.29 | BCIAF | how? |
07:57.09 | Tusva | not entirely sure what you need, haven't rolled a jewelcrafter yet |
07:58.03 | BCIAF | :( |
07:58.06 | BCIAF | damn |
07:58.49 | Tusva | http://www.thottbot.com/?sp=31252 |
07:59.15 | BCIAF | thank you |
07:59.58 | BCIAF | hmm |
08:00.10 | BCIAF | i dont have the prospecting ability anywhere and i have jewelcrafting! grr |
08:14.28 | Tekkub | thought you learned it at skill 15 or some crap |
08:39.24 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, it's learned |
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08:45.35 | Sky2042 | Kirk, you here? |
08:45.43 | Kirkburn|afk | yup |
08:46.13 | Sky2042 | can you check noman? he's deleting a bit of info in the Old Gods article, and I don't want to get into an edit war |
08:47.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Ah, he's making article more concise |
08:47.13 | Kirkburn|afk | The dead one bit is already mentioned in the article |
08:47.27 | Sky2042 | yeah, just noticed he replied |
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08:48.11 | Adys | helloes |
08:48.26 | Sky2042 | yes! |
08:48.28 | Sky2042 | no! |
08:48.32 | Sky2042 | goodbyes |
08:48.36 | Sky2042 | >.> |
08:51.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Sky2042, http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Noman953 |
08:52.18 | Adys | eh? |
08:53.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Anyone understand this? http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Rep |
08:53.20 | Adys | Err kirk |
08:53.31 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, what? |
08:53.35 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Noman953 |
08:53.40 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Noman953 |
08:53.42 | Adys | different :p |
08:53.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Hey, that's odd |
08:53.53 | Adys | User talk, not talk |
08:54.00 | Adys | you silly :-p |
08:54.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Weird, how did that happen |
08:54.53 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Rep&action=edit |
08:55.04 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Faction&action=edit |
08:55.17 | Adys | I think you can delete rep |
08:55.48 | Sky2042 | yeah, just saw that kirk. thx! |
08:56.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Adys, done |
08:57.52 | Adys | Kirkburn|afk - im having problems with my signature oO |
08:58.02 | Adys | I try to remove the SUBST: part on the preferences |
08:58.06 | Adys | but it keeps putting it back |
08:58.55 | Kirkburn|afk | You can't remove that bit |
08:59.09 | Adys | hrmm |
08:59.18 | Adys | I have to write {{User:Adys/Sig}} ? |
08:59.23 | Adys | instead of ~~~~ |
09:00.15 | Kirkburn|afk | nope |
09:00.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Look at varg's use page, I described how to do it there |
09:00.36 | Kirkburn|afk | *talk page |
09:01.29 | Adys | oulah |
09:02.51 | Kirkburn|afk | =) |
09:04.20 | Adys | mm wiki slow for me again |
09:21.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Changed the sidebar links! |
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10:44.37 | Kowi | lo :P |
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11:07.10 | Kirkburn|afk | Kowi, hullo |
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11:14.37 | Kowi | hey Kirkburn|afk =) |
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11:41.15 | Kirkburn|afk | So apparently "The Firefox browsers represent a total 11.69% global usage share, decreasing 0.46% since November 2006." |
11:41.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm surprised it's not going up still |
11:42.33 | Adys | how about the IE browsers? |
11:49.42 | sancus | based on whose stats, kirk? :P |
11:49.53 | sancus | various groups have stats with differing information |
11:50.13 | Kirkburn|afk | OneStat |
11:50.50 | Kirkburn|afk | http://bink.nu/Article9337.bink |
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12:19.46 | Zeal | lo all |
12:20.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Welcome |
12:39.00 | Zeal | :p |
12:39.11 | Zeal | a welcome is what a newbie gets.. pfft |
12:39.19 | Kowi | ^^ |
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13:28.15 | kuinkala | lol with me ;< |
13:28.22 | kuinkala | i took a tongue piercing |
13:32.35 | Zeal | er, ok :s |
13:32.52 | Zeal | took as in kised someone with one, or took as it got one done? :s |
13:32.56 | Zeal | *kissed |
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13:46.12 | weazer | Guys! How do i get Cenarion Plant Salve for Whipper Copper Tube and Night Dragon |
13:46.15 | weazer | 's Breath |
13:46.30 | weazer | Nothing on the site :( |
13:46.36 | Tepetkhet | Go to Felwood and get the special lantern thing... |
13:47.19 | Tepetkhet | Then you can gather shards from corpses and/or skin hides for the Tauren chick. |
13:47.26 | Tepetkhet | You exchange those for salve. |
13:47.50 | weazer | Ok, Im alliance! Where do i go to get the collect item? |
13:48.23 | Tepetkhet | Do you know in Felwood where there's that little hillside with Druids standing around? |
13:48.27 | Tepetkhet | NE and Tauren? |
13:48.44 | Tepetkhet | As you enter Felwood and go down the road, it's on the Right. |
13:49.10 | weazer | Ohh there |
13:49.13 | weazer | Cheers mate! |
13:49.21 | Tepetkhet | There should be somebody near there to get the quest from. |
13:49.36 | Tepetkhet | Druids are usually neutral so I think both factions can get the quest from the same Tauren chick. |
13:49.45 | Tepetkhet | She's on the left hand side of the path instead of the right. |
13:49.55 | weazer | ok :) |
13:50.07 | Tepetkhet | It |
13:50.08 | Tepetkhet | er |
13:50.11 | Tepetkhet | It's been a while. |
13:50.20 | Tepetkhet | So hopefully this'll help. |
13:50.56 | weazer | Already did. |
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14:42.14 | Zeal | lol @ Kirkburn|afk |
14:42.17 | Zeal | hey Tekkub |
14:42.30 | Tekkub | eh? |
14:42.44 | Zeal | hello? :s |
14:42.58 | Tekkub | :P |
14:43.17 | Tepetkhet | hm |
14:45.33 | Zeal | rofl |
14:45.56 | Tepetkhet | Okay. I did a pg_dumpall on my postgresql db...it should be backed up now, I hope... |
14:46.10 | Tepetkhet | hm |
14:46.15 | Tepetkhet | What else do I need to back up... |
14:50.36 | Trae | anyone know if Shadow Priests will get a pet still? |
14:51.02 | Trae | there was talk of us getting Shadow Fiends |
15:03.01 | Mirella | not sure |
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15:37.16 | Tekkub | http://www.reallifecomics.com/archive/070123.html |
15:41.25 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
15:42.01 | Kirkburn|afk | You're also a RL reader? |
15:42.22 | Adys | infobot, did you hear that?! |
15:42.32 | Tekkub | amongst other stuff |
15:42.48 | Tekkub | if it's got RSS and it's amusing I'll read it |
15:43.13 | Tekkub | infobot, I hate you |
15:43.14 | infobot | You hate you? |
15:43.24 | Tekkub | infobot, you're stupid |
15:43.26 | infobot | ACTION scratches his head |
15:43.26 | jrr | infobot: i hate infobot |
15:43.27 | infobot | You hate infobot? |
15:43.51 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
15:43.53 | Tekkub | infobot, shut up |
15:43.55 | infobot | i'm sorry, master tekkub |
15:44.21 | Tekkub | infobot, go far, far away |
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15:47.17 | Zeal | "I have a problem (With WoWWiki)" :p |
15:47.26 | Zeal | message is getting annoying, lol |
15:47.42 | Tekkub | whiner |
15:50.46 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/WoWWiki:Directory_%28Icons%29 like? |
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15:54.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Reload, reload |
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15:54.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, can I say AAAAGH BOXES |
15:54.23 | Kirkburn|afk | ;) |
15:54.25 | Hobinheim | wts unstablewiki.com |
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15:57.06 | Hobinheim | is it me or is the wiki more unstable than usual |
15:57.08 | Zeal | you can say it, but you need to explain yourself :P |
15:57.11 | Hobinheim | i don't think ayone's doing major editing |
15:57.19 | Zeal | it isn't just you Hobinheim, lol |
15:57.55 | Hobinheim | but we have like a huge ram upgrade |
15:58.00 | Hobinheim | now we're crashing 4x as fast as before |
15:58.24 | Kirkburn|afk | How exactly am I supposed to respond to comments like this? http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Draenei#Blue_blood.3F |
15:58.24 | Hobinheim | an upgrade to the engine would be nice |
15:59.08 | Kirkburn|afk | Just under an hour earlier I responded to varg saying it's in Rise of the Horde, then I cited it in the article itself. |
15:59.18 | Kirkburn|afk | And then he asks "do they have blue blood?" |
15:59.28 | Kirkburn|afk | argh! |
15:59.59 | Kirkburn|afk | (my earlier comment: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Draenei#Appearance) |
16:01.07 | Zeal | lol |
16:01.40 | equiraptor | Ummm... If the subject on a section on a talk page is misspelled, is it fair/accepted to fix it? |
16:01.48 | equiraptor | (on the Draenei talk page, " Cannibles") |
16:02.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah sure |
16:02.30 | Kirkburn|afk | And then there are the comments which only have one very very obvious answer: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Annihilan#frostwolves_not_the_only_orcs_to_escape_corruption.3F |
16:03.42 | Zeal | so Kirkburn|afk, what about boxes? |
16:03.49 | Kirkburn|afk | lots =) |
16:04.09 | Kirkburn|afk | Looks good though! |
16:05.17 | Zeal | check it now :p |
16:06.03 | Zeal | jsut trying to come up with a replacement for http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:WoW_Icons_Filename_Directory. if floats worked well it would be simple, but naturally they don't. so i decided to try out an inline list format. |
16:09.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, http://www.wowwiki.com/Template_talk:Classtableall#Point_system |
16:12.29 | Zeal | i see |
16:13.40 | Zeal | hunter heal should be 1^ :p not 0 lol |
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16:29.44 | microjackson | ello |
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16:30.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | the wiki just killed me XD |
16:30.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | "WoWwiki has a problem" |
16:30.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | god I love it when that pops up :p |
16:31.03 | Hobinheim | i hate that... |
16:31.07 | Hobinheim | it's sort of ninja |
16:31.11 | Hobinheim | you're not sure if there really is a problem |
16:31.15 | Hobinheim | and you sorta hope that there isn't |
16:31.16 | Hobinheim | but there is |
16:31.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | idd |
16:31.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | so funny |
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16:31.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | but what exactly is the problem with it? |
16:34.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Not sure |
16:34.34 | Hobinheim | paging tekkub |
16:34.47 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus, we've been getting a fair few WoWWiki has a problem msgs recently |
16:34.54 | Tekkub | you mean vumping |
16:35.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | vumping? |
16:35.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | Explain thyself, scroundrel! |
16:35.21 | Hobinheim | tekkub, what's the page exists function in wiki code |
16:35.22 | Tekkub | my ping noise is a "vump" |
16:35.25 | Hobinheim | i can't find it and google is sucking |
16:35.38 | Tekkub | we don't have it :P |
16:35.44 | Tekkub | there's an exists template though |
16:36.07 | Zeal | 5 problems in a row.. |
16:36.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Who's editing templates? |
16:36.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tbh |
16:36.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | I think it's a thingy that lasts |
16:36.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | like some error |
16:36.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | and you need to fix it first |
16:36.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | before the problem is sovled... |
16:37.00 | Zeal | i'm editing a template, but it's brand new. |
16:37.06 | Tekkub | I'll solve you |
16:37.18 | Hobinheim | ahh i see |
16:37.41 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Loot now, can we get the old crappy ones deleted. |
16:38.06 | Hobinheim | wtf does vv2 mean |
16:38.12 | Hobinheim | worst templat ename ever |
16:38.39 | Tekkub | Zeal, we need some damn javascript magic so that {{Loot|Large Bear Bone}} is collored automatically |
16:39.16 | Hobinheim | zeal, i'd rename the template L |
16:39.25 | Zeal | i wouldn't Hobinheim |
16:39.28 | Zeal | l means f all |
16:39.33 | Zeal | loot is clear for anyone |
16:39.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm |
16:39.42 | Zeal | it's a loot link, loot is fine. |
16:39.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | no |
16:39.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | go for item |
16:39.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | or something elong those lines |
16:39.56 | Tekkub | template names should be simple but clear as to what they do |
16:40.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | vendor items aren't exactly loot... |
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16:40.02 | Zeal | Tekkub, don't need javascript?! :S |
16:40.24 | Zeal | well ican rename it to ilink if you want.. for item link |
16:40.25 | Tekkub | whatever majicks are needed so that the editor doesn't need to know the quality |
16:40.37 | Zeal | well that aint happening, lol. |
16:40.42 | Tekkub | which therefore will allow for automatic updating of the color if it were to change |
16:40.47 | Hobinheim | no the point is that for such a frequently used template, you should abbreviate it |
16:40.57 | Hobinheim | also, the colors should be specificed in CSS |
16:41.05 | Hobinheim | when we have CSS control i mena |
16:41.13 | Zeal | i can't really think of many items that have ever had quality changes.. mounts, some trash thats about it. |
16:41.31 | Tekkub | hrm.... |
16:41.32 | Zeal | colours are in css.. |
16:41.35 | Tekkub | *ponder* |
16:41.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | just wondering |
16:41.43 | Zeal | they're pulling in the colour templates that already existing. |
16:41.51 | Hobinheim | color templates = wrong |
16:41.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | is it possible to access wiki code from a history page? |
16:41.57 | Hobinheim | w/e |
16:42.03 | Hobinheim | i'm at work and this is getting too involved |
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16:42.10 | Zeal | er.. wtf |
16:42.10 | Tekkub | whiner |
16:42.23 | Zeal | colour templates are fine O_O wtf is he talking about? |
16:42.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | is it possible to access wiki code from a history page? |
16:42.35 | Tekkub | sorry, as a coder, there's a point where shrinking variable names make the code HARDER to read |
16:42.48 | Tekkub | simple, good, not-self-describing, bad |
16:43.21 | Tekkub | if I want to tag a page as a stub, {{stub}} comes to mind, not {{s}} |
16:43.30 | Zeal | loot is 4 letters, i think that's abbreviated enough from "item loot link template".. |
16:43.40 | Tekkub | yea, exactly |
16:43.44 | Zeal | aye Tekkub, with ya. |
16:43.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | though |
16:43.55 | Tekkub | it's 4 fucking letters and it's quite clear what it does |
16:43.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | what exactly is that loot thingy meant for? |
16:44.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | just to put an itemlink on a page? |
16:44.08 | Zeal | yes |
16:44.10 | Tekkub | even {{lootlink}} would be acceptable to me |
16:44.17 | Tekkub | or itemlink |
16:44.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | then Loot must be one of the worst describing things EVER |
16:44.23 | Zeal | when it's used for linking an item itself as loot |
16:44.33 | Kirkburn|afk | So. Many. Errors. |
16:44.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | because vendor items are not considered loot |
16:44.36 | Zeal | not for jsutl inking an item you're talking about etc. |
16:44.48 | Zeal | vendor items would never use a lootlink |
16:44.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | depends |
16:45.02 | Zeal | that's already been discussed |
16:45.10 | Zeal | as people want to show price with it |
16:45.15 | Tekkub | hrm... itemlink might be better, or just item |
16:45.16 | Wulgar | who is it better to ally with the scryers or the aldor? |
16:45.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | when talking on a page like "Druid_as_a_Tank" |
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16:45.29 | Zeal | it would then be put into a vendor display, and you would use {{quality}} instead. |
16:45.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | you want to be able to show both items from mobs and items from Vendors |
16:45.33 | Tekkub | Wulgar, go scryers, it's exactly what you want |
16:45.41 | Kirkburn|afk | A thought - is it possible to make the [ ] reflect the status of the link? |
16:45.43 | Wulgar | why are they better? |
16:45.51 | Tekkub | Aldor was put in for people that take the time to look at the items and decide for themselves |
16:45.53 | Kirkburn|afk | i.e. make them red when it's dead, blue when alive |
16:45.58 | Zeal | Patrigan-Syldra, in those cases, you would not loot link those items.. |
16:46.13 | Zeal | it is Kirkburn|afk |
16:46.14 | Tekkub | http://www.wowwiki.com/Comparison_of_Aldor_and_Scryer_rewards |
16:46.23 | Tekkub | read the whole page, then come back and ask which one |
16:46.25 | Kirkburn|afk | Cause that would probably solve many problems |
16:46.30 | Zeal | though more code for something that really isn't needed |
16:46.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn|afk |
16:46.52 | Zeal | atm, it simply does not styling the link (but leaves [ ]) when the item's page does not exist. |
16:46.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | who controls infobot? |
16:47.24 | Kirkburn|afk | No-one ;) |
16:47.33 | Tekkub | maybe append a ? on it if it's a non-page |
16:47.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | is it possible to make changes to his code? |
16:47.41 | Tekkub | but then people will just fill it with a stub |
16:47.44 | Zeal | which to be is desriable, as i don't want to know the quality if the item doesn't evne exist. i want to know it doesn't exist so i can go add the quality. |
16:47.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes to an extent Patrigan-Syldra |
16:47.55 | Zeal | *to me |
16:48.01 | Tekkub | it's not changing it's code |
16:48.12 | Tekkub | but you can "tell" it things and it'll remember |
16:48.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | just a silly thought |
16:48.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I have the habbit to link in mIRC with [[item]] |
16:48.33 | Tekkub | that's actually the whole point of the stupid bot |
16:48.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Waitwaitwait, Zeal did you just suggest not showing the quality if the link is dead? |
16:48.38 | Tekkub | god I hate you infobot |
16:48.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I was wondering if infobot could learn when he spots something like that |
16:48.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | to make a link http://www.wowwiki.com/item |
16:49.02 | Tekkub | infobot, Patrigan-Syldra is a big fat doodoohead |
16:49.04 | infobot | okay, Tekkub |
16:49.07 | Zeal | yes Kirkburn|afk, i did. that's what {{loot}} is doing atm. |
16:49.19 | Tekkub | ~Patrigan-Syldra |
16:49.20 | infobot | methinks patrigan-syldra is a big fat doodoohead |
16:49.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Nah, wikipedia have their channel on here, they'd probably have already tried it Patrigan-Syldra :P |
16:49.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, I'm not sure I agree with that |
16:49.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, Patrigan-Syldra is also the greatest man alive. |
16:49.45 | infobot | Patrigan-Syldra: okay |
16:49.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, Kirkburn|afk perhaps they aren't as bright |
16:50.03 | Kirkburn|afk | ~Patrigan-Syldra |
16:50.05 | infobot | i heard patrigan-syldra is a big fat doodoohead, or the greatest man alive. |
16:50.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot alrdy recognises terms |
16:50.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | so it should be possible |
16:50.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, Patrigan-Syldra |
16:50.19 | infobot | it has been said that patrigan-syldra is a big fat doodoohead, or the greatest man alive. |
16:50.23 | Zeal | well as i said, i can change it, it just means doubling up the code. i really don't consider it worth it. |
16:50.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, Patrigan |
16:50.30 | infobot | methinks patrigan is nothing to me. |
16:50.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, botsnack. |
16:50.39 | infobot | :), Patrigan-Syldra |
16:50.41 | Tekkub | infobot, no, Patrigan-Syldra is a bastard |
16:50.42 | infobot | Tekkub: okay |
16:50.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | :< |
16:50.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | I don't feel the love :< |
16:51.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | Guys |
16:51.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | regarding the itemlinks |
16:51.10 | Kirkburn|afk | ~love |
16:51.12 | infobot | If you love <insert item> so much, why don't you marry it |
16:51.17 | Tekkub | infobot, Patrigan-Syldra wants to feel my love, pervert |
16:51.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | -_- |
16:51.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | are you hot? |
16:51.41 | Tekkub | can you feel it now? |
16:51.45 | Tekkub | how about now? |
16:52.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | ... |
16:52.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | *scared* |
16:52.43 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
16:53.02 | Tekkub | wonder if Wulgar found his answer yet |
16:54.14 | Wulgar | im looking at the rewards now |
16:54.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Actually, part of the instability atm may be Voidvector's bot |
16:54.40 | Kirkburn|afk | No-one sees how active it is most of the time - it's VERY active |
16:55.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Especially right at the moment |
16:55.06 | Kirkburn|afk | http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/VoidvectorBot |
16:55.12 | Tekkub | he need to turn down the volume on it? |
16:55.25 | Kirkburn|afk | I'll mention it to him |
16:55.37 | Tekkub | half the rate maybe |
16:55.50 | Tekkub | he's at ~4 per min |
16:56.25 | Zeal | so Kirkburn|afk, what do you want. the name to be unstyled but the brackets styled, or the brackets unstyled and the name styled? |
16:56.51 | Tekkub | oh oh oh, idea |
16:56.55 | Wulgar | i think im going aldor |
16:57.11 | Tekkub | instead of stying, tag a tiny broken link imae after the link? |
16:57.31 | Tekkub | Wulgar, what class/craft/PvP/PvE is you? |
16:57.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | just wondering are there small icons for the Professions? |
16:57.43 | Kirkburn|afk | That's sounds like a good idea, leave the actual link alone |
16:57.50 | Wulgar | pali PVE eng, ench |
16:58.06 | Tekkub | hrm... not much to work with there |
16:58.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | good choice Wulgar |
16:58.17 | Tekkub | prolly Aldor for the chants if anything |
16:58.17 | Wulgar | :-) |
16:58.27 | Zeal | i don't agree with that |
16:58.34 | Tekkub | equipment on A/S is kinda hit or miss |
16:58.48 | Tekkub | and engineering sucks for recipes |
16:58.57 | Zeal | you don't start changing established functionality of a wiki to soemthing people won't understand |
16:59.00 | Tekkub | I hate engineering |
16:59.09 | Tekkub | did I mention I'm an engineer? :) |
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16:59.23 | Zeal | the link needs to retain the typical dead-link styling of the wiki |
16:59.24 | Kirkburn|afk | (http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Contributions/VoidvectorBot) |
16:59.31 | Zeal | not something appended to the end. |
16:59.33 | voidvector | hola |
16:59.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh wait, I already linked that :P |
16:59.41 | Wulgar | i just like throwing bombs at people |
16:59.41 | Tekkub | you know zeal, to be hanest... |
16:59.51 | Tekkub | people fill broken links in with stubs fast |
16:59.53 | Tekkub | I hate stubs |
16:59.55 | Kirkburn|afk | hmm, Zeal, it's a tough one |
17:00.09 | Tekkub | so I vote no quality styling on broken item links |
17:00.16 | Zeal | either the brackets, the name, or the whole link should be left to wiki styling if its dead : / |
17:00.25 | Tekkub | cause it'll get stubbed quickly either way |
17:00.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | brackets |
17:00.29 | Zeal | aye.. thats my choice too Tekkub |
17:00.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | not the whole link please :< |
17:00.30 | Kirkburn|afk | I say brackets should eb red |
17:00.30 | Tekkub | whale linke, red |
17:00.40 | Zeal | ok, brackets it is |
17:00.41 | Tekkub | ... |
17:00.45 | Tekkub | me typ gut |
17:00.46 | Kirkburn|afk | hehe |
17:01.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Wouldn't work for an artifact, styling the whole link red ;) |
17:01.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | darn it! Wiki has a problem, AGAIN! |
17:01.16 | Tekkub | *whine* |
17:01.30 | Tekkub | dinner is coming back and boy is it acidy... |
17:01.37 | Tekkub | time to nuke a popatoe |
17:01.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | I like acid |
17:01.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | tastes good |
17:01.49 | voidvector | i can change the throttle of the bot. right now its default at 10 seconds |
17:01.49 | Kirkburn|afk | voidvector, got annoyed with my comment and made his bot kill the wiki |
17:01.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh, hello voidvector :P |
17:02.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | is your bot working atm? |
17:02.29 | Kirkburn|afk | Yeah, it should probably be increased |
17:02.29 | voidvector | i just killed it as i logged on |
17:02.33 | Kirkburn|afk | You killed the wiki too! :) |
17:02.49 | voidvector | i am innocent!!! |
17:03.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm not allowed to edit www.wowwiki.com/alchemy today :< |
17:03.06 | Kirkburn|afk | Double it? 20 secs? |
17:03.30 | Kirkburn|afk | voidvector, you should idle on here :) |
17:04.04 | voidvector | i don't like running unnecessary programs |
17:04.19 | Zeal | ok.. so slow now |
17:04.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | slow? |
17:04.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | I wished it was slow |
17:04.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's nothing for me atm... |
17:04.45 | voidvector | bot is not running btw |
17:05.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | wow |
17:05.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's faster now... |
17:05.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | k not >< |
17:06.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh, the PS3 Europe release data announcement has been delayed. Yes, the annoucement of the release date has been delayed. |
17:07.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | Pfft |
17:07.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | who cares about PS3 |
17:08.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | nobody wants it anyways |
17:08.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | there ain't a sane(!) person wanting to pay 700EUR for a console |
17:08.29 | Kirkburn|afk | This is completely and utterly true |
17:08.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | Xbox360 has better quality and Wii has better gameplay |
17:08.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | the only thing keeping PS3 running is their current line-up |
17:08.48 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm getting a Wii soon - i.e. when I can be bothered to go looking again |
17:08.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | however they already lost A LOT of their exclusives |
17:09.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | did you know that Rockstar is even considering to bring GTA to Wii and Xbox 360? |
17:09.43 | Kirkburn|afk | I thought the comment from an exec about him saying that demand was obviously high as people were paying ridiculous prices on eBay for one. IMO they're ALREADY paying a ridiculous price to Sony :) |
17:09.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | Wii because they want to test the Wiimote and Xbox360 because it has such nice quality... |
17:10.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol ^^ |
17:10.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | I just don't get it atm, why are they screwing themselves up even more? |
17:10.19 | Kirkburn|afk | (my awful grammar notwithstanding) |
17:10.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | worse even |
17:10.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol :p |
17:10.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | ah well |
17:10.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | I've always been a Nintendo fan |
17:10.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | so I'm happy that Nintendo is surpassing Sony again |
17:11.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Heh: http://www.neatorama.com/2007/01/22/all-mcgyver-ever-needs |
17:12.13 | voidvector | server dead? |
17:12.32 | Zeal | timing out i think |
17:13.08 | Kirkburn|afk | sancus or vlad_, oh lovely server accessy people! =) |
17:13.46 | voidvector | should create a server side bot, cause client side bot = download the whole wiki every major run |
17:16.24 | Zeal | never gunna get this done at this rate.. |
17:16.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | I agree |
17:17.10 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, dod you watch SG1 or SGA btw? |
17:17.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Very rarely |
17:17.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, Wiki has a problem. |
17:17.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | cool oO |
17:17.52 | Kirkburn|afk | ~wiki Chocolate |
17:18.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, thewiki has a problem. |
17:18.17 | Tekkub | Zeal, zee fargate? |
17:18.32 | Kirkburn|afk | Patrigan-Syldra, any reason why you're avoiding'wowwiki'? :) |
17:19.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | because |
17:19.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | infobot, wowwiki? |
17:19.07 | infobot | i guess wowwiki is http://www.wowwiki.com |
17:19.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't want it to change that one :p |
17:19.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | anyone can check if this thing has saved? |
17:19.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | because... |
17:20.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm on an empty screen -_- |
17:20.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | which says "Done" in the status |
17:20.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | but, it's emptu |
17:20.20 | Tekkub | you know, mediawiki needs different levels of page watch |
17:20.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | so if anyone can access recently changed |
17:20.39 | Tekkub | I want to watch every page I edit, but I'd like to recieve email for some specific ones |
17:20.54 | Zeal | agreeded Tekkub |
17:21.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | that would be cool actually |
17:21.15 | Zeal | i also hate how i get email from other user's pages i'm watching, when the setting it supposed to only apply to mine.. |
17:21.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm keeping an eye on Karazhan edits atm |
17:21.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | but I don't want mails from it |
17:22.14 | Tekkub | yea, like I'd like to watch admin pages like the vandals and get emails |
17:22.32 | Tekkub | but all the other stuff the watch list page works fine cause I usually go for the diffs |
17:23.11 | Zeal | i auto-watch pages i edit anyways |
17:23.25 | Tekkub | me too |
17:23.32 | Zeal | and when i'm working on the wiki, i have my watchlist on auto-refresh |
17:24.08 | Zeal | btw.. er.. does the watchlist have a limit? cos i can't seem to go past soemthing like 3.5 days.. |
17:24.48 | Tekkub | not sure |
17:24.54 | Zeal | no way to go to next page or anything |
17:25.05 | voidvector | it has a page limit |
17:25.06 | Tekkub | there's an "all" |
17:25.09 | Zeal | they just seem to cut off after 3days and soem hours. |
17:25.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
17:25.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | if you visit daily |
17:25.24 | Zeal | well that's silly if i can't go back past that : / |
17:25.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | 3days will rarely happen... |
17:25.39 | Zeal | well i was away for over 3 days pat :P |
17:25.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | things get reupdated and such |
17:25.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | ow, then it stinks yeah :p |
17:26.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | Punishment for being afk! |
17:26.05 | Tekkub | and it was so peaceful |
17:26.06 | Zeal | lol |
17:26.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol |
17:26.31 | Zeal | i did do soem brief stuff while i wasn't gaming. like some icon uploads and replying to comments. |
17:26.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | Please, I beg you! |
17:26.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | FIX THE WIKI! |
17:27.24 | Zeal | hm.. preview button fails.. : / |
17:28.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | well brb |
17:28.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | pizza |
17:28.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | Btw, we need some people to update crafter stuff |
17:28.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | Because, Alchemy is severely outdated... |
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17:43.14 | voidvector | http://www.gamespot.com/news/6164522.html?part=rss&tag=gs_news&subj=6164522 |
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17:53.04 | Zeal | ok, {{loot}} finally done >_> |
17:53.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay for loot! |
17:55.23 | Tepetkhet | s/mater/master/ |
17:55.29 | Tuqui-tuqui | ¬.¬ |
17:59.50 | voidvector | bot running at 2 contributions per minute, going out for lunch |
18:06.02 | Zeal | lol |
18:11.48 | Kirkburn|afk | "I don't know how to tell you this Mr. Swanson. You're paralysed from the waist down." |
18:12.05 | Kirkburn|afk | Cookies for the quote source! |
18:13.58 | Kirkburn|afk | "We know return to 'Touched by an Angel'" ...... [courtroom scene, lawyer and child in dock] ..... "Now, where exactly did the angel touch you?" .... "Here and here." |
18:14.18 | Zeal | google says no quote ;( |
18:14.20 | Adys8924 | .. |
18:14.32 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Adys] by ChanServ |
18:14.37 | Zeal | wb Adys, heh |
18:14.43 | Adys | :P |
18:15.51 | Kirkburn|afk | "We begin with the 100m dash for people afraid of yellow tape" |
18:20.01 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#Patch_today *rollseyes* |
18:23.27 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
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18:45.48 | dotted | what the heck is going on, when i try and edit a page i get a "doubled" version of the main page :S |
18:46.25 | dotted | working again |
18:46.29 | dotted | very odd |
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18:50.05 | Zeal | the wiki is playing up |
18:50.18 | Zeal | when you get that it's an error, just refresh |
18:50.19 | Zeal | : / |
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18:53.17 | Deathface | hi, is the blizzard downloader really slow for everyone? |
18:53.24 | Tepetkhet | Yes... |
18:53.26 | Zeal | no idea |
18:54.00 | Tepetkhet | Well, speaking for myself and a friend in another state. |
18:54.28 | Deathface | i guess servers are still down so im not missing anything |
18:54.29 | Zeal | i take it this is a US patch? |
18:54.46 | Zeal | haven't seen an EU patch since release :s |
18:59.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | Zeal they have ninja patched all patches in EU :p |
18:59.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | we're at 2.0.5 alrdy ^^ |
19:01.52 | Zeal | i thought 2.0.5 went live on release :p |
19:01.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | say... |
19:02.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | why don't we have sound support on the wiki? |
19:02.09 | Zeal | sound support? |
19:02.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | I would bet people would love to go listen to the agro sound of murlocs |
19:02.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, we have the support |
19:02.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | but we aren't using it |
19:02.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | To include links to non-image uploads such as sounds, use a "media" link. |
19:02.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | Sound |
19:02.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | |
19:02.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | [[media:Sg_mrob.ogg|Sound]] |
19:02.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | we should upload some soudns... |
19:03.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | Like the jokes and stuff |
19:03.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | and ofc the murloc agro sound |
19:03.27 | Zeal | perhaps |
19:03.39 | Zeal | i think gettign the wiki stable is more important atm :P |
19:05.41 | Kirkburn|afk | =) http://www.wowwiki.com/User:VoidvectorBot |
19:06.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | I need to bot myself :< |
19:09.15 | dotted | WTB Bot 2g |
19:09.59 | voidvector | what? |
19:14.12 | voidvector | oh nm |
19:18.13 | dotted | Patrigan-Syldra becuase we cant upload sounds |
19:18.19 | Kirkburn|afk | "Blizzard happily announced today that The Burning Crusade has just shattered the so-called "day one" sales record and has become the fastest selling PC title ever for both North America and Europe - selling around 2.4 million copies in the first 24 hours alone." |
19:18.55 | Zeal | :::::And the nice thing about IRC, is we can discuss quicker and easier (especially when the wiki is as unstable as it is atm). :p |
19:18.55 | Zeal | :::::There are no invalid characters as far as i know. Even if there were, they would more than likely just be url encoded anyways, so there is no problem (that is what url encoding was designed for really..). Items that have multiple versions with the same name should be in the same page imo, so i will not add such functionality to support anything different. If someone else wants to when people decide otherwise, then so be it. |
19:18.57 | Zeal | wtf.. |
19:19.06 | Zeal | sorry >_o; |
19:19.12 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Media%3AMurloc <-- image? :s |
19:19.43 | Zeal | nice Kirkburn|afk |
19:20.04 | Kirkburn|afk | More people must join IRC, MOOORE!!! |
19:20.09 | Zeal | lol |
19:21.21 | dotted | Kirkburn|afk knows |
19:21.37 | Kirkburn|afk | Does he now |
19:21.44 | dotted | yes |
19:21.55 | dotted | @'s knows overthing |
19:22.12 | dotted | Their knowledge goes beyong juman comprehention |
19:22.16 | dotted | *human |
19:24.28 | Zeal | rofl |
19:24.36 | Zeal | damn, that was worse than my typing :P |
19:28.13 | voidvector | can templates be moved? |
19:32.39 | dotted | yes, but not very easily i think - dont know actually |
19:33.13 | voidvector | i am thinking about move questfactionclass -> questclass, more intuitive name |
19:33.22 | voidvector | but i think that would require manually changing all the references |
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19:41.27 | Zeal | hm.. lots of yahoo account spam today. |
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19:41.36 | Tepetkhet | AH HA!!! |
19:41.48 | Tepetkhet | I manually patched my webmail. |
19:41.49 | Tepetkhet | oh man |
19:41.58 | Tepetkhet | That was so freakin' tedious. |
19:42.01 | Zeal | voidvector, i'm unsure tbh. i'd liek to say moving works, but not 100% : / |
19:42.28 | Zeal | give me a sec and i'll test |
19:44.54 | voidvector | there is that move button on top, so i am sure the feature is there |
19:46.50 | Zeal | well ofc they can move, it's a question of if the template functionality transfers through a redirect :P |
19:46.55 | Zeal | and it does |
19:47.03 | Zeal | :) |
19:47.06 | Zeal | just tested |
19:47.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | screw functionality >:{ |
19:47.15 | Tuqui-tuqui | down with imperialist functionality! |
19:47.23 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
19:48.45 | voidvector | that is good to know |
19:49.25 | Zeal | rofl |
20:08.39 | Kirkburn|afk | Someone should update the meta info for WoWWiki |
20:08.49 | Kirkburn|afk | Currently it is "Offers information and walk-throughs on classes, professions, quests, add-ons, and macros. |
20:08.50 | Kirkburn|afk | " |
20:09.33 | Kirkburn|afk | (http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=wowwiki&meta=) |
20:09.44 | Zeal | er.. where's this? :S |
20:10.43 | Zeal | where's that pulled from though? |
20:11.08 | Kirkburn|afk | The meta descrip |
20:11.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Will paste the code |
20:11.26 | Zeal | yeah.. i don't see one :P |
20:11.37 | voidvector | we should replace {{Infobox Warcraft character}} with {{Npcbox}}, right? |
20:11.55 | Zeal | keywords is all i see "<meta name="keywords" content="Main Page,2004,AddOns,Aldor,Blizzard Entertainment,Category,Character,Choosing a class,Class,Combat,Community info" />" |
20:12.14 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm not sure |
20:12.21 | Kirkburn|afk | @ voidvector |
20:12.26 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, you're right, it seems |
20:12.38 | Zeal | we should delete all boxes voidvector :P |
20:12.58 | Zeal | scrap them completly.. ugly impractical things that screw up a good page layout. |
20:13.02 | Kirkburn|afk | Could be from a site submission thing, Zeal |
20:13.17 | Kirkburn|afk | No f'ing way |
20:13.18 | Zeal | yeah, that's what i was thinking : / |
20:13.58 | Kirkburn|afk | I like the lore box as is (though the code could probably be improved) |
20:14.10 | Kirkburn|afk | However, I'm fine with non-notable NPCs using the Npcbox |
20:14.12 | Zeal | lore box? |
20:14.31 | Kirkburn|afk | For lore chars |
20:14.37 | Zeal | if its anything like the others, i hate it. |
20:14.43 | Kirkburn|afk | (http://www.wowwiki.com/Deathwing) |
20:14.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, well it's not up to you :) |
20:15.21 | Zeal | all that information would be in the body of the article, properly referenced or cited and explained in a full sentance. not done in a labelled list format. |
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20:15.29 | Zeal | *should be |
20:15.45 | Kirkburn|afk | Do you have any idea about how to present information, Zeal? |
20:15.55 | Zeal | and i made the npc tooltip to satisfy those who think otherwise, and keep it having a purpose. |
20:15.59 | Zeal | yes Kirkburn|afk? |
20:16.12 | Kirkburn|afk | Have you ever seen a modern reference book? |
20:16.34 | Zeal | do you have any idea how to propoerly present information for the chosen medium and audience? :P |
20:16.35 | Kirkburn|afk | You'll find most summarise the info as well as write it out in full form in the text |
20:16.46 | Zeal | thats a book |
20:16.51 | Zeal | different medium |
20:16.57 | Kirkburn|afk | It's still text! |
20:16.59 | Zeal | the web isn't |
20:17.13 | Zeal | that information can be presented in a better way on the web. |
20:17.22 | Kirkburn|afk | Which is why wikipedia uses infoboxes? |
20:17.41 | Zeal | no need to summarise anything on the web unless that information is being included in something else. |
20:18.20 | Kirkburn|afk | There is no difference between prose on a page and prose on a monitor. People don't always want to read it, they want a quick summary of the info, which is what the infobox serves as |
20:18.29 | Zeal | and a page the web has functionality to highlight and direct you to the important information, unlike a book. |
20:18.46 | Zeal | *-a page |
20:19.52 | Zeal | the infobox serves as nothing but an obstrusive redisplay of information in a format without validation, explanation or context. |
20:20.04 | Kirkburn|afk | Well yes, but if we didn't have an infobox, how would you suggest going about showing Gender, Race, Occupation, Character Class, Relatives, Affiliation, Status and more? 7 links? |
20:20.06 | Zeal | it has no practical purpose. |
20:20.18 | Kirkburn|afk | I completely disagree :/ |
20:20.35 | Kirkburn|afk | It serves a very practical purpose /for me/ |
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20:20.49 | Zeal | well that stuf goes down to my proposal. all that stuff should exist as a link/category system. |
20:21.55 | Kirkburn|afk | In any case, voidvector don't worry about infoboxes, I don't think there's anything to upgrade there (apart from the template itself perhaps) |
20:21.56 | Zeal | i don't pretend to be good at writing articles, but designing how it's presented is my domain :P |
20:22.28 | Zeal | which i feel mediawiki as standard is awful at >_> |
20:22.29 | Kirkburn|afk | And designing how the WoWWiki is presented is one of my domains. |
20:22.42 | voidvector | well as of right now, {{Npcbox}} looks 10x better than {{Infobox Warcraft character}} |
20:22.44 | Zeal | lol |
20:24.31 | Kirkburn|afk | The idea is that the lore box is supposed to look RPG-style |
20:24.39 | Zeal | either way, first thing, switch to a div design and drop wowbox styling. secondly, only use it on npcs. |
20:25.19 | Kirkburn|afk | NPC box fine with looking sleek, etc, but I like the lore pages having a little 'somethin, somethin' |
20:25.57 | Kirkburn|afk | It's not divs? |
20:26.04 | voidvector | also we need to incorporate more templates into boilerplate. e.g. item tooltip on most pages are just plain tables (html or wiki) which means if we establish a new layout, we would have to change all the item page manually |
20:26.14 | Zeal | and the idea behind what i'm saying is that it shouldn't be emulating anything unless it serves a purpose to exist in that format (tooltips for example, which if you were about at the time, was a compramise from me to start with :P) |
20:26.34 | Kirkburn|afk | Oh yeah, get the (item) templates on the boilerplates! |
20:26.54 | Zeal | voidvector, i've already been doing that when i get a chance |
20:27.03 | Zeal | :p |
20:27.38 | voidvector | awesome |
20:27.48 | Kirkburn|afk | We just keep going up: http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details?url=www.wowwiki.com |
20:27.55 | Zeal | and i dunno the specifics of each template Kirkburn|afk, but all the oens designed to fit into {{wowobox}}, and the template itself, are tables. |
20:28.21 | Zeal | so unless someone converted wowbox to divs, it would sitll be the same. |
20:28.29 | Zeal | *{{wowbox}} |
20:28.34 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm fine with the templates being upgraded to not be a fudge, but I do want to keep the border style :) |
20:28.52 | Kirkburn|afk | Only for the really important lore chars |
20:28.57 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, you're a designer no? |
20:29.16 | Kirkburn|afk | There's a time for sleek and there's a time for RPG-ing :) |
20:29.31 | voidvector | i am trying to figure out if i can using bot to replace all the crappy item tooltips, but since item properties are not universal, it is not likely possible |
20:29.32 | Zeal | theres always a time for accesability though.. |
20:29.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Not a professional designer, no |
20:29.55 | Kirkburn|afk | The border causes a problem with accessibility?? |
20:30.28 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, an example of my website design: http://chig3.georgepribul.eu/ |
20:32.08 | Zeal | images should never be used for layout design, only background images. images for images (like what we thumb) that are relevent to the content, and logos etc. If a user has images, or css turned off (or not full support) the whole page can become unreadable. |
20:32.08 | Zeal | i'm not professional either.. |
20:32.08 | Zeal | *no |
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20:32.09 | Zeal | judging by that design, you know that too :P |
20:32.27 | Zeal | that's why the styling for the box needs to loose the images. for corners. |
20:32.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Look at ClearFont.co.uk :) |
20:32.34 | Zeal | *-. |
20:32.53 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, yup, all my website work with CSS turned off :D |
20:33.01 | Zeal | gd gd |
20:33.04 | Kirkburn|afk | I say look at that cause it's not updated yet |
20:33.14 | Kirkburn|afk | Give me 5 mins and you'll see the difference ... |
20:33.30 | Zeal | erm.. ok |
20:34.02 | Zeal | lol.. "newscf inforeadmescreenshotsdownloadschangelogabout" |
20:34.09 | Kirkburn|afk | I know :P |
20:34.19 | Kirkburn|afk | Reload now! |
20:34.46 | Zeal | \o/ :) |
20:34.54 | Kirkburn|afk | Even added a toc :P |
20:35.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Went from a full table layout to fully divs |
20:35.58 | Zeal | http://test.zealvurte.co.uk/ try that without styling |
20:36.04 | Zeal | cool |
20:36.35 | Zeal | fyi.. your page (with css) is broken in FF :P |
20:37.07 | Zeal | perfectly fine in IE7 though |
20:37.08 | Zeal | lol |
20:37.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Did you do a full cache refresh? |
20:37.20 | Kirkburn|afk | Fine in my FF2 |
20:37.27 | Kirkburn|afk | Pink :) |
20:37.30 | Zeal | this isn't 2 |
20:37.34 | Zeal | 1.5.xxxx |
20:37.44 | Tepetkhet | grrrrr |
20:37.49 | Zeal | which, if it's not working in that, you've got some issues :s |
20:37.56 | Tepetkhet | Pear :( |
20:38.00 | Tepetkhet | I hate upgrades. |
20:38.07 | Zeal | and i did do a full recache |
20:38.13 | Tepetkhet | I'd be better off building a new server. |
20:38.16 | Zeal | but now it works.. |
20:38.18 | Zeal | :s |
20:38.20 | Zeal | od |
20:38.23 | Zeal | but anyways |
20:38.25 | Kirkburn|afk | lol |
20:38.26 | Zeal | lol |
20:38.40 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, funky stuff you've got on that test site |
20:38.43 | Zeal | like the new layout :) |
20:38.48 | Zeal | oh? |
20:39.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw, top result for zeal vurte in google is now ... your wowwiki page :) |
20:40.21 | Zeal | rofl, i noticed :P |
20:40.30 | Kirkburn|afk | heh |
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20:43.57 | Zeal | http://www.zealvurte.co.uk/?page=home fear the table layout :P |
20:45.35 | Kirkburn|afk | argh |
20:45.44 | Kirkburn|afk | The table code goes off my widescreen |
20:46.30 | Kirkburn|afk | Yup, it's about 2 screen's width =) |
20:47.03 | Kirkburn|afk | Zeal, I must say that's a lovely picture of a foot |
20:48.40 | voidvector | what's the policy on self-links? |
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20:49.18 | voidvector | e.g. use [[Blah]] in article Blah to bold the text. |
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20:53.22 | voidvector | if it is none, i am going to replace all of them, because they would mess up when the page is moved |
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20:59.52 | Zeal | it's been discussed heavily on the manaul of style voidvector, suggest you check there |
21:00.03 | Zeal | though i personally say to use [[ ]] and not ''' ''' |
21:03.43 | Zeal | ffs!!! |
21:03.46 | Zeal | stupid wiki |
21:04.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | cry more Zeal |
21:04.48 | Tepetkhet | bye |
21:04.50 | Tepetkhet | gotta go |
21:06.14 | Zeal | lol pat |
21:06.30 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, table is past your screen? :s |
21:06.38 | Zeal | odd, it shouldn't be |
21:06.39 | Zeal | isn;t for me |
21:07.24 | Zeal | and yes.. that's a very old foot pic, lol |
21:09.05 | zeal | anyways, gunna go watch SG1 and then get a bath. bbl |
21:11.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | no... |
21:12.00 | Tuqui-tuqui | watch SG1 while taking a bath |
21:12.21 | zeal | if i had a hd tv in my bathroom i would.. and a bath in my living room :P |
21:15.23 | voidvector | what's the benefit of [[]]? obviously it is unavoidable in templates |
21:16.21 | voidvector | btw, manual of style says ''' |
21:27.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | Who would use [[]] to bold text? oO |
21:28.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | fix it with Voidvectorbot |
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22:09.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Argh finally got rid of my Uni project partner |
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22:10.44 | Kirkburn|afk | I was wondering how obvious my hints of "okay, I think we're finished now, can you go?" were gonna have to be :/ |
22:11.35 | Kirkburn|afk | "I'm going to make dinner now", "I'm going to get the washing out of machine", I start hanging around outside my room, "I'm going to go to bed soon" |
22:14.53 | Kirkburn|afk | I'm sorry, who killed everyone? |
22:15.30 | Kirkburn|afk | voidvector, your bot is gonna receive a 10,000 edit award soon enough :P |
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22:16.57 | voidvector | lol |
22:17.06 | voidvector | don't bother |
22:17.08 | voidvector | its a bot |
22:17.36 | Kirkburn|afk | You obviously haven't seen your bot's homepage recently ... |
22:18.17 | voidvector | oh, i saw the 5k edit thing |
22:19.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
22:19.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | bots do good work |
22:19.29 | voidvector | speaking of which, i think i should write a guide on how to bot, right? |
22:19.43 | Kirkburn|afk | voidvector, I'd mark deprecated templates for deletion rather than redirect |
22:19.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | myeah, I'm currently working on that pywikipedia bot thingy myself |
22:20.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | would be cool if you could make a nice guide for botting voidvector |
22:21.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | voidvector just wondering |
22:21.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | what times do you run your bot 'please add timezones XD) |
22:22.29 | voidvector | grr, i run it like 24/7, lol |
22:22.44 | Kirkburn|afk | Especially with this latest set |
22:22.59 | Kirkburn|afk | It's hardly halfway through 'A' atm |
22:24.14 | voidvector | as long as i am playing the game, i have it running (if i have a job for it). when i got to sleep, i let it keep running until it ends its task |
22:24.43 | voidvector | sometimes it breaks cause server time out or something |
22:25.16 | Kirkburn|afk | Well, you're doing great work, keep it up =) |
22:26.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | voidvector |
22:26.39 | Kirkburn|afk | I wonder if the bot can fix race names cases at all |
22:27.19 | voidvector | that just simple text replacement, no? |
22:28.20 | Kirkburn|afk | It has exceptions though - e.g. sentence beginnings |
22:28.58 | voidvector | server is dying again? |
22:30.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | voidvector if you would be planning to put a botting guide |
22:30.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | be sure to ,tell me |
22:30.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | I want to use it :p |
22:30.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | got some TCG related things that I might consider to bot |
22:31.16 | voidvector | TCG? |
22:31.25 | voidvector | nevermind, just realiezed |
22:32.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
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22:56.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Post on here! http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html?topicId=118321911&postId=1185937003&sid=1#2 =) |
22:58.53 | Tusva | Curse my non-EU account :P |
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23:05.57 | Kirkburn|afk | Tusva, yes, curse it! |
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23:08.46 | Kirkburn|afk | voidvector, has your bot got past 'A' yet? :) |
23:09.15 | Kirkburn|afk | Patrigan-Syldra, what TCG stuff do you want to bot? |
23:11.49 | Zeal | Kirkburn|afk, that PC policy has a note saying it's not finished and ready for review :P |
23:11.59 | Kirkburn|afk | I know, but look at the history |
23:12.21 | Kirkburn|afk | It appears it was forgotten about |
23:12.32 | Zeal | and if i had the choice, i'd vote no. It's very focused on PC pages being for the wiki, thus dropping bias and player information (talents, gear etc). |
23:12.59 | Zeal | which imo would simply be better to remove them completely if that's the view. |
23:13.35 | Adys | Tusva! |
23:13.35 | Kirkburn|afk | I haven't read it fully, but I know it has incorrect stuff in it |
23:13.39 | Adys | My love <3 |
23:13.41 | Tusva | <3 |
23:13.47 | Zeal | rofl |
23:13.51 | Tusva | :D |
23:13.58 | Tusva | Don't be jealous Zeal. You'll get a <3 someday. |
23:14.09 | Adys | Infobot, give tusva a big kiss! |
23:14.11 | infobot | ACTION gives a big kiss! to tusva |
23:14.19 | Adys | thanks infobot |
23:14.21 | Kirkburn|afk | error error error errror :/ |
23:14.22 | Zeal | lol |
23:14.27 | Adys | infobot, give zeal some love aswell |
23:14.28 | infobot | ACTION gives some love aswell to zeal |
23:14.28 | Tusva | ackpth. Bot tastes funny. |
23:14.29 | Zeal | indeed |
23:14.32 | Kirkburn|afk | bloomin thing |
23:14.41 | Zeal | i'm only getting problem errors atm : / |
23:14.42 | Tusva | Yeah, I was getting that all day, too. |
23:14.46 | Zeal | 20+ in a row |
23:15.07 | Kirkburn|afk | Btw a policy to comment on! http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Player_character_pages |
23:15.15 | Kirkburn|afk | (a possible one) |
23:15.55 | Kirkburn|afk | It is quite restrictive |
23:16.26 | Zeal | isn't that the one i'm talking about? :s |
23:16.33 | Kirkburn|afk | Personally I think it all comes under WW:PA |
23:16.43 | Kirkburn|afk | Yes, I was linking it here for others |
23:16.50 | Zeal | kk :p |
23:16.59 | Zeal | WW:PA? |
23:17.11 | Kirkburn|afk | Personal Articles |
23:17.30 | Kirkburn|afk | (nearly every time, anyway |
23:18.15 | Zeal | well i kinda consider PC: to be in the same boat as User: |
23:18.18 | Kirkburn|afk | oh ho? |
23:18.54 | Zeal | personal, contain bias, contain non-wiki relevant info etc. |
23:20.00 | Kirkburn|afk | Pretty much |
23:20.16 | Kirkburn|afk | One I thing I don't think any of us want is them cluttering up the main namespace |
23:20.23 | Tusva | A large portion of PC articles seem to be sub-articles of User: which is good, I think. |
23:20.29 | Tusva | Are there many that take up the primary namespace? |
23:20.41 | Kirkburn|afk | Probably not |
23:20.54 | Kirkburn|afk | I don't think we have many PC articles anyway |
23:21.12 | Tusva | under 600 in the category, anyway |
23:22.08 | Tusva | I'd say the policy should dictate that it only appear as a User: subarticle, but maybe go easier on the content restrictions.. |
23:22.36 | Zeal | yes, i think that's because the existing policy (though i've heard conflicting reports and cba to look) says they have to be in the userspace. |
23:22.51 | Zeal | urgh.. |
23:23.00 | Zeal | those socket tempalte exampels are wrong ffs |
23:23.15 | Zeal | why i haven't touched sockets yet, or set bonuses for that matter.. |
23:23.55 | Tusva | btw Zeal, how does your tooltip template handle multiple attributes? +25 Intelllect<br/>+20 Strength? |
23:26.05 | Tusva | Current naming policy says "Personal articles should be located as subpages of the author's user page (e.g. User:Aeleas/The Last Druid)." Should stay that way imo, even for PC pages. |
23:26.51 | Zeal | yes tusva, just added that on it's talk page :p |
23:27.12 | Zeal | imo PC's deserve PC: |
23:27.40 | Zeal | or removal from the wiki completely.. |
23:28.13 | Tusva | Why give them their own namespace? |
23:29.08 | Tusva | It's easier, in the end, to match up the PC to User, no better way to keep it that way than have them stay in User: |
23:30.38 | Zeal | Categories handle that |
23:32.09 | Tusva | So instead of having users continue to have them in the User: space, we're going to have them make it its own article and add them to both the PC category and the "Tusva's PC's category?". Seems a little unwieldy :P |
23:40.15 | Zeal | [[Category:Players]][[Category:User:Tusva/Players]] |
23:41.38 | *** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=Hobinhei@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
23:41.45 | Hobinheim | infobot, hello |
23:41.46 | infobot | Howdy Bub |
23:41.49 | Zeal | People can then look at your PCs, or they can stumble upon it when browsing the PCs and see it belongs to you, |
23:41.59 | Zeal | wb Hobinheim |
23:42.12 | Karrion | shouldn't it be "characters" not "players"? a player can have multiple characters... |
23:42.17 | Zeal | Tusva, any idea where the socket images are stored in the mpqs? |
23:42.29 | Zeal | the existing oens on the wiki are screwed up and jpgs.. |
23:42.35 | *** join/#wowwiki Jimmy (i=Jimmy@c-24-21-100-251.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
23:42.53 | Tusva | the little circles? |
23:43.11 | Zeal | i was going with the idea of users have players, players belong to users. as characters also applies to NPCs |
23:43.14 | Jimmy | by perchance do they host the patches on here somewhere |
23:43.17 | Zeal | can change it to PCs if you want.. |
23:44.01 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:UI-EmptySocket-Red.jpg those Tusva |
23:45.11 | Zeal | alla's look liek shit quality, but aren't screwed up :s |
23:46.51 | Hobinheim | ty zeal |
23:48.05 | Zeal | found them.. |
23:48.28 | Tusva | aye, ItemSocketingFrame |
23:48.49 | Kirkburn|afk | You could make your own ... |
23:50.09 | Zeal | sigh.. |
23:50.18 | Zeal | the red one is invalid :S |
23:51.30 | Tusva | Not on mine it doesn't seem to be |
23:52.05 | Zeal | i get invalid bit depth for grayscale image.. |
23:52.35 | Tusva | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:UI-EmptySocket-Red.png |
23:53.57 | Zeal | yeah.. working fine on my other converted |
23:54.01 | Zeal | *converter |
23:54.11 | Zeal | odd that the msot up-to-date converter out is bugging on it : / |