| 00:02.22 | Kirkburn | Hello |
| 00:02.34 | Fin | hello |
| 00:03.07 | Kirkburn | Beep2 is a creation machine! |
| 00:03.30 | Fin | it's like... god? |
| 00:04.06 | Kirkburn | lol yeah |
| 00:13.57 | Fin | it's BugSack reporting an error in another application |
| 00:14.05 | Fin | -5 points to Fin |
| 00:21.23 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 00:23.05 | Fin | yes you can! |
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| 00:45.04 | Bagginsww | hey kirkburn |
| 00:45.56 | Bagginsww | so so far I've been reading ROTH. Ragestorm had the impression that Kil'jaeden never appeared before the orcs in a "demon" form during his reading |
| 00:46.06 | Bagginsww | I got the complete opposite interpretation |
| 00:46.22 | Bagginsww | the book is very vague when it describes Kil'jaeden |
| 00:46.44 | Bagginsww | it points out he has similar legs to Draenei. Yet the orcs are not able to make a connectionb eyond that |
| 00:47.14 | Bagginsww | later on it describes kil'jaeden as having a horned red-head, but it never strikes them as being similar to draenei |
| 00:47.39 | Bagginsww | infact they remain confused wondernig what kil'jaeden's connection is and why he's after the draenei so much. |
| 00:47.58 | Bagginsww | but never ever specifically see a connection taht he is infact draenei himself. |
| 00:48.30 | Bagginsww | or I should say "Eredar" |
| 00:48.33 | Bagginsww | *eredar |
| 00:49.13 | Bagginsww | the fact that they don't put two and two together and think of them as the same species, seems to imply to me that Kil'jaeden may have infact been in disguise |
| 00:49.31 | Bagginsww | which is something that has been stated by other sources. |
| 00:54.35 | Kirkburn | sec |
| 00:55.16 | Kirkburn | I get RotH soon so I can give my opinion |
| 00:56.06 | Bagginsww | cool |
| 00:58.06 | Adys | hmm |
| 00:58.19 | Adys | does anyone know about a newer version of bagnon than the one from 1 month ago? |
| 01:02.33 | Bagginsww | wow stormwind is on fire |
| 01:02.38 | Bagginsww | in beta |
| 01:02.38 | Kirkburn | Adys, I'll ask |
| 01:02.40 | Bagginsww | statues are burning |
| 01:02.47 | Adys | cheers |
| 01:04.11 | Kirkburn | 12.13 |
| 01:04.21 | Adys | =/ nope |
| 01:04.30 | Kirkburn | That's the WoWI version |
| 01:04.40 | Adys | aye i searched on wowi, worldofwar and curse |
| 01:04.42 | Adys | its the same |
| 01:04.53 | Kirkburn | Yeah, the latest release is 6.12.13 |
| 01:04.56 | Bagginsww | first row of statues are almost consumed heh |
| 01:05.21 | Adys | mm wowinterface down btw? |
| 01:05.29 | Kirkburn | <Kirkburn> Heya! What's the latest version of vBagnon? =) |
| 01:05.29 | Kirkburn | <Tuller> should be 12.13 |
| 01:05.45 | Kirkburn | WoWI is working for me atm |
| 01:05.50 | Kirkburn | I know it was down earlier |
| 01:05.59 | Adys | mm wowinterface.com is a blank page for me |
| 01:06.09 | Adys | back up, nvm |
| 01:06.14 | Kirkburn | =) |
| 01:07.45 | Bagginsww | gates are burning down LOL |
| 01:09.46 | Adys | mm kirk, silly question but do you know what the Patch vBagnon PT and addon Bagnon KC are? |
| 01:10.11 | Kirkburn | Links? |
| 01:10.17 | Adys | http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info4459-vBagnon.html |
| 01:10.24 | Adys | Patch & Add-on List |
| 01:10.45 | Bagginsww | goldshire is now under attack apparently |
| 01:10.47 | Bagginsww | going ther enow |
| 01:10.50 | Kirkburn | Good question |
| 01:12.14 | Bagginsww | goldshire is on fire |
| 01:12.16 | Bagginsww | the carnage |
| 01:12.22 | Adys | take screenshots =P |
| 01:12.54 | Kirkburn | <Tuller> its periodic table rules for vbagnon |
| 01:13.08 | Kirkburn | Ignore Bagnon KC |
| 01:13.23 | Kirkburn | I wouldn't worry about them |
| 01:13.31 | Adys | mm kay, thx :) |
| 01:14.26 | Bagginsww | ya I have a few |
| 01:14.32 | Bagginsww | they are going up on blizzplanet |
| 01:14.35 | Bagginsww | most likely |
| 01:14.43 | Bagginsww | he's having me taking the pictures for him |
| 01:14.59 | Bagginsww | still havne't seen any direct attacks yet |
| 01:15.20 | Bagginsww | rumors of spawned illidan, and rag though |
| 01:15.44 | Bagginsww | and apparently on the server that blizzplanet owner is on orgrimmar is being attacked by Kazzak |
| 01:16.39 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 01:25.59 | Kirkburn | <Guillotine> EVERYONE: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html;jsessionid=A3EB104B12791D2451D3D7C1CEAE6E81?topicId=65158373&sid=1 |
| 01:25.59 | Kirkburn | <Guillotine> get on the beta realm for end-of beta event :D |
| 01:26.11 | Adys | ooooo |
| 01:26.15 | Adys | end of beta event :D |
| 01:26.16 | Zeal | lo all |
| 01:26.31 | Kirkburn | Hey zeal |
| 01:29.44 | Zeal | http://www.wcradio.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=4330 |
| 01:29.51 | Bagginsww | shattrath is fd up |
| 01:30.03 | Bagginsww | death, carnage everywhere |
| 01:32.16 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:32.21 | Zeal | i cba to go on |
| 01:32.36 | Zeal | but then i cba with wow much at all lately |
| 01:34.05 | Kirkburn | Can't see anything on Tempest Keep EU :( |
| 01:35.04 | Zeal | thats what i'm on.. lol |
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| 01:38.07 | Adys | nothing on eu servs :( |
| 01:38.54 | Adys | http://beta.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2200420&postId=21601802&sid=1#8 |
| 01:39.52 | Zeal | eu end of wow beta event was rather dead.. |
| 01:39.58 | Zeal | hardly anyone around on my server |
| 01:44.45 | Bagginsww | statue in IF is burning and most of the mountain up to it is on fire too |
| 01:45.04 | Bagginsww | big infernal guarding hte entrance |
| 01:47.59 | Kirkburn | Argh I have to retalent again :/ |
| 01:53.53 | Zeal | lol |
| 01:56.01 | Zeal | ok.. guess it's back to editing items |
| 01:59.07 | Kirkburn | Boo! @ Adys :) |
| 01:59.16 | Adys | :P |
| 01:59.24 | Adys | two wow at the same time ftl |
| 01:59.37 | Adys | and reroll on stormrage! :( |
| 02:00.12 | Zeal | Bagginsww, check out the Cenarius talk page and the link i posted. |
| 02:00.20 | Kirkburn | Hmm, where's the Tomb of Lights? |
| 02:00.32 | Zeal | Uther's tomb? |
| 02:00.39 | Kirkburn | Nah, in Terokkar |
| 02:00.47 | Zeal | ah.. no idea |
| 02:00.54 | Zeal | i know next to nothing about outland tbh : / |
| 02:01.15 | Kirkburn | nvm, found it :) |
| 02:03.25 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 02:05.47 | Bagginsww | that sucked ya I would have liked a premade |
| 02:06.22 | Bagginsww | to be honest I know about next to nothing about tauren druids |
| 02:06.35 | Bagginsww | except for occasion one mentioned ins tories and the RPG |
| 02:07.11 | Zeal | fair enough :P |
| 02:07.27 | Bagginsww | I wish I had a level 60 horde character :p |
| 02:07.41 | Bagginsww | highest horde character is about level 16 |
| 02:07.51 | Zeal | i wanna kno whats happened to alleria dammit.. |
| 02:07.56 | Zeal | *know |
| 02:10.41 | Bagginsww | pit lord attacking stormwind |
| 02:11.30 | Kirkburn | :( |
| 02:11.37 | Kirkburn | No fair |
| 02:12.00 | Bagginsww | no pit commander |
| 02:12.09 | Bagginsww | even worse than a pit lord LOL |
| 02:12.23 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:12.37 | Zeal | kalimdor should be safe tbqfh |
| 02:12.44 | Zeal | stupid they've made it there |
| 02:13.48 | Bagginsww | only thing I see is most guards ignore the incoming forces :p |
| 02:13.56 | Bagginsww | breaks up the realism :p |
| 02:14.28 | Zeal | lol |
| 02:14.34 | Bagginsww | oh now the children are warlking to the front gate |
| 02:14.49 | Bagginsww | hey look teacher at the big creature killing everyone |
| 02:15.01 | Bagginsww | can we ride on its back? |
| 02:16.01 | Zeal | haha |
| 02:16.20 | Bagginsww | all the NPCs should be running in panic :p |
| 02:16.32 | Bagginsww | or trying to defend the city |
| 02:16.46 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:17.09 | Bagginsww | Just wait until we get Warcraft from the Burning Legion's POV |
| 02:17.15 | Bagginsww | and find out they have always been the good guys LOL |
| 02:17.19 | Zeal | rofl |
| 02:17.36 | Zeal | Well everything that has happened is ultimately the Titan's fault. |
| 02:17.45 | Bagginsww | LOL or Old Gods |
| 02:17.47 | Zeal | *Titans's |
| 02:17.56 | Zeal | nah, that their fault too. they should have killed them. |
| 02:18.43 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 02:18.47 | Zeal | even the Burning Legion is the Titans's fault, though now it's their complete opposite. |
| 02:19.16 | Bagginsww | the only issue I have now is wondering how Sargeras became how he is now |
| 02:19.22 | Bagginsww | if it wasn't hte eredar that drove him to madness |
| 02:20.38 | Kirkburn | The nazretheim? |
| 02:20.46 | Kirkburn | nathrezeim? |
| 02:20.57 | Bagginsww | who knows |
| 02:21.00 | Kirkburn | John the Bastard? |
| 02:21.13 | Bagginsww | pit lords were supposed to have been corrupted by the eredar. |
| 02:21.37 | Bagginsww | still would be interesting if Titans foughat against the Eredar int he distant past |
| 02:21.43 | Bagginsww | assuming them to be demons |
| 02:21.48 | Bagginsww | and locked them away in some part of space |
| 02:22.01 | Bagginsww | Eredar evolved into nicer people |
| 02:22.10 | Bagginsww | Sargeras goes back for htem |
| 02:22.16 | Bagginsww | and corrupts them LOL |
| 02:22.24 | Bagginsww | then you could have both stories work LOL |
| 02:23.01 | Adys | Kirkburn! |
| 02:23.06 | Adys | Tekkub too but hes not here |
| 02:23.07 | Kirkburn | Fred! |
| 02:23.17 | Adys | got an idea for wowwiki |
| 02:23.26 | Adys | is it possible.. |
| 02:23.37 | Kirkburn | I have a chocolate bar |
| 02:23.47 | Kirkburn | but it's not for wowwiki, it's for me |
| 02:23.47 | Adys | with a few conditionnal templates and {{CURRENTDAY}} {{CURRENTMONTH}} etc |
| 02:24.05 | Kirkburn | mmm? |
| 02:24.20 | Adys | to fix up a calendar of events |
| 02:24.23 | Adys | like a small table |
| 02:24.29 | Adys | next darkmoon faire in x days |
| 02:25.03 | Kirkburn | My Felguard: "A poultry task!" |
| 02:25.17 | Kirkburn | I like to think he's very fond of chickens |
| 02:25.48 | Kirkburn | An interesting idea |
| 02:25.57 | Kirkburn | But Blizz already have a calendar |
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| 02:27.41 | Hobinheim | so i says, no, I GET the kids... LOL |
| 02:28.31 | Kirkburn | #wowwiki, the channel that turns the users to drugs |
| 02:30.24 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:30.58 | Bagginsww | ok, this end of beta event has been fun, but I think I want to get back to RotH and finish it :p |
| 02:31.02 | Bagginsww | only 100 pages to go |
| 02:31.08 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 02:31.17 | Bagginsww | book is pretty quick read |
| 02:31.27 | Bagginsww | although that's probably cause the print is pretty big |
| 02:31.38 | Kirkburn | lol, nearly every mob is dropping greens for me |
| 02:31.42 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 02:32.04 | Kirkburn | bloody beta |
| 02:33.27 | Zeal | h4 relaly needs to be set to a smaller font and indented tbqfh.. |
| 02:33.29 | Zeal | *really |
| 02:34.57 | Kirkburn | crazy! :) |
| 02:35.17 | Kirkburn | mmm, gold, pity it'll be gone v soon :P |
| 02:35.23 | Zeal | adys, if i'm following the same lines as you, yes you could do a event calendar, as well as a raid instance reset one. |
| 02:35.29 | Zeal | *an |
| 02:35.35 | Adys | mm |
| 02:36.04 | Zeal | hell.. you could make the front page change on certain events.. |
| 02:36.26 | Zeal | like change the message to happy winterviel and chuck some decorations on it. |
| 02:36.59 | Zeal | and hey Hobinheim :p |
| 02:37.55 | Hobinheim | adys, i like your qotd thing |
| 02:38.14 | Hobinheim | A D Y S ding ding ding |
| 02:38.23 | Adys | Im here |
| 02:38.59 | Hobinheim | where's *adys*? weee ahhhh wee wahhh weee wahhh |
| 02:39.06 | Adys | gha |
| 02:39.11 | Hobinheim | hey, do you guys know adys? AHHHHHH!! YOU SAID THE SECRET WORD!!!! |
| 02:39.18 | Hobinheim | i know adys! SLIMERRRRR!!!!! |
| 02:39.24 | Hobinheim | WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!! |
| 02:39.37 | Hobinheim | lol what |
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| 02:40.10 | Kirkburn | erk |
| 02:40.51 | Hobinheim | sorry |
| 02:41.21 | kuinkala | what's the Tabard of the Protector + where it can be gained? |
| 02:41.38 | Hobinheim | have you checked google? |
| 02:41.41 | Adys | quest reward from a quest outside the dark portal |
| 02:42.03 | kuinkala | mmkay |
| 02:42.12 | Hobinheim | you can even check our wiki |
| 02:44.22 | Hobinheim | ugh |
| 02:44.30 | Hobinheim | blizzard is taking away the elite quest flag |
| 02:44.34 | Hobinheim | and calling it "Group" |
| 02:44.45 | Hobinheim | damn you reconstruction! |
| 02:45.21 | kuinkala | yeah, i noticed |
| 02:45.25 | kuinkala | kinda stupid :p |
| 02:45.33 | Adys | makes sence |
| 02:45.39 | Adys | raid quests are elite too |
| 02:45.42 | Adys | and so are dungeon quests |
| 02:45.49 | Adys | "group" quests are not specially elite |
| 02:46.42 | kuinkala | oh noes i need to go and get that tabard |
| 02:46.55 | kuinkala | i wanted AD tabard, but cant get it anymore :p |
| 02:55.13 | Kirkburn | I think 'group' is far more sensible |
| 02:55.25 | Kirkburn | Especially since they're adding group size recommendations |
| 02:57.49 | kuinkala | mmm |
| 02:58.46 | Zeal | All formerly 'elite' quests are now listed disaplyed as 'group' with recommend group size shown in the quest text. |
| 02:58.56 | Zeal | i'm very pleased about that change |
| 02:59.14 | Zeal | *-listed *displayed |
| 02:59.57 | Zeal | i just hope they start adding quests that were never elite but required groups too it too |
| 03:00.13 | Zeal | first one popping to mind, is stranglethorn fever. |
| 03:00.24 | Zeal | *to do it |
| 03:09.46 | Hobinheim | what is the goal of stra fever? |
| 03:10.27 | Hobinheim | aww that wasn't so bad |
| 03:10.32 | Hobinheim | i was over leveled tho |
| 03:10.40 | Hobinheim | yeah... i dunno how any one person would handle that |
| 03:11.59 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Broxigar#Broxxigar_vs_Broxigar |
| 03:16.49 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/NPC:Broxxigar and thoughts please |
| 03:19.31 | Kirkburn | When journalists go absolutely bonkers: http://www.wfaa.com/sharedcontent/VideoPlayer/videoPlayer.php?vidId=112514&catId=104 |
| 03:22.01 | Zeal | oh no, i'm going to sit my child infront of a console for all ages and let them do what they want.. |
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| 03:23.07 | Kirkburn | If that was a UK journalist, I reckon she would get disciplined and become the laughing stock of the media. Only in the US ... |
| 03:23.19 | Zeal | and tbqfh, if it was me, i wouldn't care less if my child did. |
| 03:23.59 | Kirkburn | Yeah, well, we're not exactly experienced in that yet, are we =) |
| 03:24.08 | Zeal | rofl |
| 03:24.27 | Zeal | plenty of research and opions however. |
| 03:25.07 | Zeal | anyways.. parents jsut need to actually stop putting their careers and life before their kids and jsut leaving their kids to fall prey to things unsupervised. |
| 03:25.24 | Kirkburn | indeed |
| 03:25.26 | Zeal | back to the wiki |
| 03:25.30 | Zeal | thoughts?! :P |
| 03:26.34 | Zeal | i really think lvl 3 headers need the same styling, but smaller, than lvl 2. and leave lvl 4 headers to match lvl 3 ones. |
| 03:26.51 | Zeal | *but smaller than, lvl 2 |
| 03:27.14 | Zeal | also think the speculation template needs new styling.. meh |
| 03:29.44 | Zeal | acutally if i restyled the speculation header i could work round that.. |
| 03:30.56 | Kirkburn | An idea |
| 03:31.03 | Kirkburn | Make an example |
| 03:31.16 | Kirkburn | Show exactly what you think looks good |
| 03:31.29 | Kirkburn | lorem ipsum ftw |
| 03:31.46 | Zeal | oh, i am |
| 03:31.52 | Zeal | i've got lots of test templates |
| 03:31.57 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 03:32.03 | Kirkburn | Anyways, I'm off to bed |
| 03:32.07 | Kirkburn | Time to watch some Spooks |
| 03:32.10 | Zeal | baah |
| 03:32.14 | Zeal | lol |
| 03:32.15 | Kirkburn | (wooooooooOOOOOooooOOOOOoooo) |
| 03:32.15 | Zeal | nn |
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| 04:09.34 | Bagginsww | ok yet another clan mentioned in rise of the horde |
| 04:09.38 | Bagginsww | Whiteclaw clan |
| 04:12.20 | Bagginsww | like the 3rd clan the book mentions that I don't think has appeared anywhere else |
| 04:14.48 | Hobinheim | trivia: what color was thrall's wolf mount in wc3? |
| 04:15.05 | Hobinheim | sorry, i'm like in a trivia mood. there's this awesome WHAT ARE YOU AWESOME AT thread |
| 04:15.39 | Hobinheim | the structure at which naga heroes are reborn is called ____________ |
| 04:17.00 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/NPC:Broxxigar check out the speculation template used in that |
| 04:18.57 | Zeal | black, and alter of er.. tides? :S |
| 04:19.53 | Zeal | template of tides, alter of depths.. pfft. was close |
| 04:20.07 | Zeal | *temple |
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| 04:41.03 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 04:41.11 | Zeal | thought. tooltips for NPCs.. |
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| 05:05.22 | bleetah | :-P |
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| 05:11.12 | Zeal | lol |
| 05:11.16 | Zeal | hey Tekkub |
| 05:11.26 | Tekkub | erf |
| 05:17.13 | Zeal | http://www.myimportstore.com/store/images/WorldofWarcraft/WOWHordeNecklace.jpg :o |
| 05:17.38 | Zeal | hm.. wrong link |
| 05:17.39 | Zeal | http://www.myimportstore.com/index.asp?Section=21 |
| 05:21.46 | Zeal | ffs.. how hard is it to find a screenshot of a mob's tooltip.. |
| 05:21.53 | Zeal | i don't wanna go in game >_< |
| 05:22.27 | Tekkub | you know what we need on a WoW DB site... |
| 05:22.34 | Tekkub | a really easy "wish list" |
| 05:22.53 | Tekkub | to track what instances ya need to run to get the gears you want |
| 05:30.56 | Zeal | name, proffesion, level (rare/elite), faction, flag. |
| 05:31.01 | Zeal | dunno about players.. |
| 05:45.40 | Hobinheim | kalaban's loot list? |
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| 06:00.36 | Taylor | Hi. |
| 06:01.12 | Zeal | lo |
| 06:03.02 | KuinKala | o |
| 06:04.54 | Taylor | What's going down in WoWWiki town? |
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| 06:05.54 | KuinKala | chillin' |
| 06:11.34 | Zeal | anyone wanna do me a favour? :P |
| 06:13.39 | Taylor | what would that favour be? |
| 06:15.12 | Zeal | i need a screenshot (or a description of) what a player tooltip looks like. |
| 06:31.08 | Zeal | 500KB/s on blizz downloader.. wow |
| 06:31.34 | Zeal | 200.. |
| 06:35.25 | KuinKala | soon-to-be 10 ":D" |
| 06:37.18 | Zeal | years old? :P |
| 06:39.09 | KuinKala | noes, yar download speed :p |
| 06:39.41 | Zeal | lol |
| 06:40.04 | Zeal | been up and down between 200-500 lowest it went was 90 |
| 06:40.13 | Zeal | ok not 41.. |
| 06:40.14 | Zeal | bag |
| 06:40.16 | Zeal | *bah |
| 06:40.27 | Zeal | *now |
| 06:40.29 | Zeal | grr |
| 06:43.04 | KuinKala | hehe |
| 06:43.07 | KuinKala | i told ya |
| 06:43.19 | KuinKala | and soon-to-be 20 (numeric age) |
| 06:43.41 | Zeal | 0 |
| 06:43.42 | Zeal | done, lol |
| 06:43.53 | KuinKala | heh |
| 06:44.05 | Zeal | all this for a stupid screenshot >_o |
| 06:44.11 | KuinKala | hehe |
| 06:46.55 | Zeal | 4 mail.. all gold sellers.. |
| 06:48.30 | KuinKala | surprise |
| 06:48.41 | Zeal | got it. Level <lvl> <race> <class> (Player). all one line |
| 06:48.52 | KuinKala | nice1 |
| 06:49.53 | Zeal | hunter in white+gold ftw. |
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| 10:22.48 | dok3Dal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Warrior_Set_Comparison is totaly obsolete |
| 10:23.36 | dok3Dal | in this case does we "obsoletise" the page or just pray for someone to update it ? |
| 10:34.15 | Adys | dok : mark it as stub/accuracy i think |
| 10:34.19 | Adys | or cleanup if its really bad |
| 10:38.08 | dok3Dal | well .. how do I mark it? |
| 10:38.33 | Adys | write {{Stub/Accuracy}} at the top of the article |
| 10:38.39 | Adys | mind the capitalization |
| 10:39.05 | dok3Dal | ok and in fact it does/mean what? |
| 10:39.26 | dok3Dal | (<<< total new in wiki editing world) |
| 10:39.52 | dok3Dal | what exactly |
| 10:40.59 | dok3Dal | ok I have seen |
| 10:41.30 | dok3Dal | but in fact I know that data in this page are wrong |
| 10:41.43 | dok3Dal | well so ... I have to update it myself |
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| 14:36.26 | Tuqui-tuqui | I was fighting lvl32 nagas w/out a problem |
| 14:36.36 | Tuqui-tuqui | just to die by a lvl 16 lion >:{ |
| 14:36.58 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 14:52.01 | Zeal | O_o |
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| 15:51.38 | Kirkburn | Pew pew pew, i r in teh uni computer room |
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| 15:52.47 | Gryphen | i gunna tell on u |
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| 15:52.55 | Kirkburn | ahmagad! |
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| 15:55.12 | jrr | pew |
| 15:55.43 | Zeal | damn beep2 |
| 15:55.53 | Zeal | beat me to putting dude1234 on vandal list : / |
| 15:56.37 | Zeal | hey Kirkburn, Gryphen |
| 15:56.48 | Gryphen | ya |
| 15:57.06 | Gryphen | uh, now hes off the list |
| 15:57.20 | Zeal | Kirkburn, how are you doing your sig. manually doing "{{User:Kirkburn/Sig}} ~~~~~" ? :s |
| 15:57.24 | Gryphen | damn Kirkburn |
| 15:57.27 | Kirkburn | Damn vandals |
| 15:57.40 | Gryphen | beat me to putting dude1234 on the block list : / |
| 15:57.44 | Zeal | mhm |
| 15:57.46 | Zeal | heh |
| 15:57.58 | Kirkburn | I blocked him =) |
| 15:58.23 | Kirkburn | argh, so many admins doing the same thing :P |
| 15:58.36 | Kirkburn | Zeal: it's easy to make my sig |
| 15:59.21 | Kirkburn | I made User:Kirkburn/Sig with the code. U:KB/SigX includes Sig as a template, then I set my preferences to use SigX |
| 15:59.46 | Zeal | SigX huh? |
| 15:59.49 | Zeal | hm.. |
| 15:59.57 | Zeal | god i hate subst.. |
| 16:01.03 | Tepetkhet | bleh |
| 16:01.04 | Gryphen | Where do you set the pref? I thought I had seen it before but I don't see it now. |
| 16:01.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | Zeal!!! |
| 16:01.31 | Tepetkhet | Supposed to set a customer's profile up with a static IP and we appear to not have our zone file commented. |
| 16:01.35 | Tepetkhet | So I'm not sure what's avail. |
| 16:01.54 | Tepetkhet | Well, I have a pretty good idea. |
| 16:02.14 | Tepetkhet | Checked the conf on the aggregator and didn't see the one I have in mind taken... |
| 16:02.25 | Zeal | er.. hey Tuqui-tuqui? :S |
| 16:02.51 | Zeal | prefrences is http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:Preferences |
| 16:02.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | ¬.¬ |
| 16:03.19 | Gryphen | Ya, I've looked through there, not seeing it. |
| 16:04.52 | Zeal | Nickname |
| 16:05.03 | Zeal | and check raw sig |
| 16:05.08 | Gryphen | ah |
| 16:05.31 | Zeal | took me long enough to figure out.. especially as mediawiki's own article on how to do sig is out dated |
| 16:05.34 | Zeal | greatly.. |
| 16:05.45 | Zeal | *custom sigs |
| 16:06.24 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it forces subst, hence my templating it :) |
| 16:06.49 | Kirkburn | At least I now know how to vote with the custom sig now :) |
| 16:07.19 | Kirkburn | (instead of ~~~~,use sig=~~~~ ... perhaps that should be the default option anyway?) |
| 16:07.35 | Zeal | sig= huh? |
| 16:08.04 | Zeal | it jsut annoys me that you need to double up templates because of the subst enforcing for raw sigs. |
| 16:09.40 | Zeal | and most of my templates, where you would normall just do {{template|blah|moo|foo}} if you wanted ==foo== or <span style="color: lime;">foo</span> you'd do {{template|blah|moo|foo=randomcraphere}} |
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| 16:10.20 | Bagginsww | so I finished RotH. Good book. |
| 16:10.23 | Zeal | because if the value contains an = everything before the first = is treated as the name of the variable. |
| 16:10.50 | Zeal | i've almost finnished now |
| 16:11.08 | Zeal | dammit.. there was soemthing i wanted to point out to you about you got wrong :s |
| 16:11.12 | Zeal | forgot |
| 16:11.22 | Bagginsww | which part about what? |
| 16:11.25 | Kirkburn | nublet |
| 16:11.35 | Zeal | dunno |
| 16:11.45 | Zeal | something in RotH you said.. |
| 16:12.08 | Bagginsww | if it was about "timing" later on in the book it implies 2 years passed between the start of the fight with the horde and the draenei |
| 16:12.23 | Zeal | oh nvm i realized i'll probably prove myself wrong there so wasn't worth mentioning yet. |
| 16:12.45 | Bagginsww | there were some things in the book that seem vague |
| 16:12.58 | Bagginsww | could be interpreted multiple ways |
| 16:13.21 | Zeal | though in your talks about Kil'jaeden's appearance, as you probably know, he does look "very, very" similar to a draenei. |
| 16:13.43 | Bagginsww | ya at first about the main thing they see as being similar is the legs |
| 16:13.43 | jrr | face tentacles? |
| 16:13.49 | Bagginsww | doesn't mention the face tentacles |
| 16:13.56 | Tepetkhet | Mmmm...tentacles... |
| 16:13.58 | Zeal | indeed |
| 16:13.58 | Bagginsww | it says he has "Horns" |
| 16:14.13 | Bagginsww | which could merge the appearance from warcraft II |
| 16:14.17 | Zeal | well theoreticall females have horns.. |
| 16:14.20 | Zeal | so feasible. |
| 16:14.24 | Bagginsww | some males do to |
| 16:14.42 | Bagginsww | character selection choices LOL |
| 16:14.55 | Zeal | does RotH rewrite d'aemon lore? |
| 16:15.12 | Bagginsww | uh well Daemon is more or less the word orcs use for demons |
| 16:15.23 | Bagginsww | it also means twisted soul |
| 16:15.24 | Zeal | yeah |
| 16:15.37 | jrr | or unix process |
| 16:15.38 | Bagginsww | doesn't really rewite the lore |
| 16:15.40 | Zeal | i thought the RPG pinned them as a whole difference race was all :p |
| 16:15.41 | Bagginsww | *rewite |
| 16:15.44 | Bagginsww | *write |
| 16:15.55 | Bagginsww | ya it does |
| 16:16.00 | Bagginsww | well a race of demons |
| 16:16.11 | Bagginsww | its not really contradicting |
| 16:16.22 | Zeal | is to me :S |
| 16:16.41 | Bagginsww | well its kind like "daemon" definition in reality |
| 16:17.00 | Zeal | the Black Template is what later becomes the Black Citedal right? :s |
| 16:17.00 | Bagginsww | its a term for demons to some, to others its more like a genie |
| 16:17.09 | Bagginsww | not really evil or good |
| 16:17.22 | Bagginsww | ya during warcraft III |
| 16:17.26 | Zeal | mhm |
| 16:17.30 | Bagginsww | then goes backt o black temple |
| 16:17.46 | Zeal | cool, just checking. alot of this is new to me not having played WC1-2 |
| 16:18.08 | Bagginsww | uh the black temple may be called something differeint in warcraft III |
| 16:18.15 | Zeal | isn't it the citedal in BC though? |
| 16:18.16 | Bagginsww | II |
| 16:18.21 | Bagginsww | no black temple |
| 16:18.26 | Tepetkhet | The Draenei, being a tentacled race, get bonus damage against Japanese schoolgirls. |
| 16:18.26 | Bagginsww | black temple in BC |
| 16:18.41 | Bagginsww | in warcraft II the area was called Shadomoon Citadel I think |
| 16:19.56 | Bagginsww | but ya back to kil'jaeden there is this very weird bit that basically thea uthor describes the horns on his head and acts like taht's one of the main differences between him and draenei |
| 16:19.59 | Bagginsww | this is towards the end |
| 16:20.10 | Bagginsww | but by then finally Gul'Dan is certainly sure that they must be the same race |
| 16:20.15 | Bagginsww | despite the physical differences |
| 16:20.27 | Zeal | i need to check that.. i swore all the devs said citadel for BC and the instance name follows that in beta.. :s |
| 16:20.39 | Bagginsww | it was changed towards the end I think |
| 16:21.49 | Bagginsww | however one thing I say is an issue with her always saying that draenei are blue, is that draenei come in many shades other than blue :p |
| 16:22.00 | Bagginsww | ranging all the way to deep purple |
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| 16:22.39 | Bagginsww | so the logic towards the end when they say velen would have been easy to find cause everyone else looked the same, just seemed weird. |
| 16:22.43 | Kirkburn | bbl |
| 16:22.52 | Bagginsww | take care |
| 16:23.26 | Bagginsww | additionally other pictures of kil'jaeden he does not have horns heh heh |
| 16:23.27 | Zeal | well velen is unique in build and age |
| 16:23.31 | Zeal | so still holds true |
| 16:23.37 | Zeal | kk Kirkburn |
| 16:23.38 | Tepetkhet | In Velen's name... |
| 16:23.40 | Bagginsww | ya he's blue in BC ;) |
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| 16:24.03 | Zeal | lo Hobinheim |
| 16:24.09 | equiraptor | velen, valen, what's the difference? :) |
| 16:25.25 | Tepetkhet | Valen's the guy in Babylon 5. |
| 16:25.50 | Gryphen | yay for hijacking kirks sig |
| 16:25.57 | Gryphen | thanks for putting in all the work :) |
| 16:26.05 | Bagginsww | I'm pretty sure there are more Valens than a guy in B5 |
| 16:26.07 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 16:26.24 | equiraptor | Yes, but my reference was to the guy in B5. |
| 16:26.27 | Bagginsww | oh |
| 16:26.27 | equiraptor | Who was also a prophet. |
| 16:26.31 | Bagginsww | I see |
| 16:26.41 | Bagginsww | was he blue or white, :) |
| 16:26.42 | Bagginsww | ;) |
| 16:26.50 | equiraptor | Who saved "his" people from destrction in a war with more powerful races. |
| 16:26.56 | equiraptor | Ummm... More human colored. |
| 16:27.02 | Bagginsww | plagiarism :) |
| 16:27.04 | Zeal | pinky |
| 16:27.05 | Bagginsww | ;) |
| 16:27.16 | equiraptor | Bagginsww: How old is that warcraft story? |
| 16:27.28 | Bagginsww | which are we referring to? |
| 16:27.35 | equiraptor | The one with velen. |
| 16:27.38 | Bagginsww | new |
| 16:27.43 | Bagginsww | as in last year |
| 16:27.46 | equiraptor | Because the B5 valen story is from the early 90s. |
| 16:27.56 | equiraptor | And was in the creator's head before then. |
| 16:28.03 | Bagginsww | its likely an homage |
| 16:28.09 | equiraptor | Sorry, I should be quiet. |
| 16:28.15 | equiraptor | I get rabid about B5. |
| 16:28.18 | equiraptor | Absolutely rabid. |
| 16:28.22 | Bagginsww | B5 is earliest |
| 16:28.26 | Bagginsww | definitly |
| 16:28.50 | equiraptor | I love the story of Valen and how it plays in with the wars, etc. |
| 16:28.51 | Bagginsww | so blizzard probably didn't "plagiarize" much as honor |
| 16:29.09 | equiraptor | If the similarity is even intentional. Which it very well may be. |
| 16:29.13 | Zeal | hm.. Bagginsww, the whoel description of the kil'jaeden in the story actually reminded me stlightly of ered'ruin.. and considering the name is so close to eredar, thee resemblance, and that they speak eredun too (i know thats explained, but meh). makes me think they're an off shoot. |
| 16:29.31 | Bagginsww | its possible |
| 16:29.33 | Bagginsww | I've thought of that too |
| 16:29.37 | Tepetkhet | Well, Babylon 5's creator "honored" Lord of the Rings. |
| 16:30.03 | Zeal | i do love how the story explains warlocks |
| 16:30.04 | Bagginsww | and I've always thought there was a connectionb etween dae'mon art design and doomguards |
| 16:30.10 | Zeal | very much in a context, lol. |
| 16:30.19 | Zeal | *a wow |
| 16:30.27 | Bagginsww | the only thing the story lacked was the necrolyte |
| 16:30.35 | Bagginsww | HPG goes more into their history |
| 16:30.37 | Zeal | tru tru |
| 16:30.46 | Zeal | not sure what page i'm on |
| 16:30.50 | Zeal | lost my bookmark.. heh. |
| 16:30.58 | Zeal | but onyl a few chapters from done |
| 16:31.29 | Bagginsww | heh, but ya Blizzard has homages to practically everything, and they really hide the fact that htey only slightly mask the names |
| 16:31.35 | Bagginsww | *don't hide |
| 16:32.06 | Bagginsww | also the story really doesn't go into time between portal's first opening and when its finished |
| 16:32.14 | Bagginsww | it just goes right to the final full scale opening |
| 16:32.53 | Bagginsww | But as we know it started as a small hole in the fabric of space as they started the experiments |
| 16:33.02 | Bagginsww | this is covered in WoW in a few ingame books as well |
| 16:34.40 | Bagginsww | oh look at warcraft 3 ered'ruin |
| 16:34.46 | Bagginsww | did you know they have face tentacles? |
| 16:35.00 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/f/f6/Doomguard_Anim.gif |
| 16:35.22 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats not a face tentacle |
| 16:35.34 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats a dyed beard :D |
| 16:35.39 | Bagginsww | so does kazzak |
| 16:35.50 | Zeal | there is one thing i don't get, and unless i've missed something, is pretty shitty. Why did Ner'zhul help hand over control to Gul'dan after he found out? Why didn't he speak out then and there? i know the story touched on he later decided he didn't want to die, but he still later risks his life, and Kil'jaeden already told him he won't kill him. :s |
| 16:36.05 | Bagginsww | because he wa sweak |
| 16:36.16 | Bagginsww | he was too broken |
| 16:36.23 | Bagginsww | afraid of kil'jaeden |
| 16:36.26 | Zeal | i don't except that. at that point, he wasn't |
| 16:36.34 | Zeal | he already started to rebel |
| 16:36.41 | Zeal | i think its soem poor story telling tbh |
| 16:36.54 | Trae | hey guys what is that place called Altar or whatever near Burning Steeps |
| 16:37.05 | Bagginsww | well like I said there some writing in the book that comes off as vague to me |
| 16:37.05 | Trae | it's down the hill and to the right as you come out of BRD |
| 16:37.14 | Tepetkhet | Temple of Atal'Hakkar or something? |
| 16:37.19 | Trae | yah I think |
| 16:37.22 | Tepetkhet | Sunken Temple? |
| 16:37.23 | Trae | do we have something on it? |
| 16:37.25 | Zeal | i'm not blaming the author, i'm blaming metzen. |
| 16:37.25 | Trae | not ST |
| 16:37.30 | Tepetkhet | oh |
| 16:37.32 | Trae | it's in Burning Steeps |
| 16:37.36 | Tepetkhet | ohhh |
| 16:37.39 | Zeal | the one with the 3 statues? |
| 16:37.47 | Trae | hmmm 4 statues I think |
| 16:37.51 | Zeal | w/e :P |
| 16:37.53 | Bagginsww | plenty of other sources that talk about how he learned the truth, but didn't really do much about it |
| 16:37.53 | Trae | you always see it when flying from IF south |
| 16:37.57 | Trae | lol |
| 16:38.12 | Zeal | yeah, but it doesn't seem to add up to me Bagginsww |
| 16:38.13 | Tepetkhet | I never fly from IF. |
| 16:38.14 | Tepetkhet | heh |
| 16:38.21 | Zeal | seems silly |
| 16:38.46 | Trae | Altar of Storms |
| 16:39.00 | Bagginsww | he also thinks how people probably wouldn't believe him at this point too, if the ancestors don't trust him. |
| 16:39.13 | Bagginsww | alot of self doubt |
| 16:39.18 | Bagginsww | going on in his mind |
| 16:39.26 | Bagginsww | conflicting mentality |
| 16:39.29 | Trae | do we have any info on that area? |
| 16:39.44 | Zeal | "Oh no what have i done?!" "fuck you i'm not helping" "i don't want to die" "oh thank god hes not going to kill me" "i'll just do as he says from now and" "wow i've finnally got the courage to say something at the last minute when it has little effect" |
| 16:40.02 | Zeal | *-and |
| 16:40.17 | Zeal | that series of events just sounds ridiculous. |
| 16:40.32 | Bagginsww | sadly it kind of mirrors the mentality of germans during the rise of hitler |
| 16:40.45 | Bagginsww | alot of people knew what was happening |
| 16:40.51 | Bagginsww | but no one had the courage to say anything |
| 16:40.55 | Bagginsww | few that did were killed |
| 16:40.59 | Zeal | it's the last two parts that make no sense : / |
| 16:41.01 | Bagginsww | no one would defend them |
| 16:41.15 | Trae | http://www.wowwiki.com/Altar_of_Storms |
| 16:42.04 | Bagginsww | even in the end many knew they were doing wrong but still went about continiuning with it. |
| 16:42.23 | Trae | the one in Burning Steeps |
| 16:42.30 | Trae | does anything bad come out of there? |
| 16:42.30 | Zeal | gotta love how they modeled it after the original one |
| 16:42.37 | Hobinheim | anybody know where i can find a list of draenei buildings in the wc3 campeign |
| 16:42.39 | Hobinheim | *campaign |
| 16:43.11 | Bagginsww | uh draenei structures? |
| 16:43.11 | Hobinheim | the one where you had to like escort the caravan... |
| 16:43.11 | Zeal | didn't they just use orc ones? :S |
| 16:43.11 | Bagginsww | nah they were a little different |
| 16:43.11 | Hobinheim | yeah i think they did. any special buildings? |
| 16:43.13 | Hobinheim | like you know how the naga had REAL buildings |
| 16:43.25 | Hobinheim | altar of depths and black were the trivia answers i was looking for last night, btw |
| 16:43.48 | Zeal | yeah, i got thoughs.. roughly :P |
| 16:43.55 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Draenei_(Warcraft_III) |
| 16:44.06 | Hobinheim | oh BOOYAH |
| 16:44.11 | Hobinheim | awesome sir |
| 16:44.19 | Bagginsww | draenei structures are more log and bone like |
| 16:44.28 | Bagginsww | with a mushroom cap on top |
| 16:44.30 | Hobinheim | see wtf permanent invisibility |
| 16:44.32 | Hobinheim | write that back in |
| 16:44.38 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/Draenei_(Warcraft_III) |
| 16:44.41 | Zeal | bah |
| 16:44.42 | Zeal | fu! |
| 16:44.43 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:44.57 | Bagginsww | not every unit as I recall LOL |
| 16:45.12 | Bagginsww | just a specific class |
| 16:45.27 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Boulder_Tower |
| 16:45.41 | Zeal | lol@human tower |
| 16:45.43 | Bagginsww | and that looks like a cross between alliance design and a cliff |
| 16:45.50 | Hobinheim | thanks for the links. you have fueled my addiction for things that are similar... |
| 16:46.05 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Draenei_Haven |
| 16:46.17 | Bagginsww | see logs, mushroom caps and bone pillars |
| 16:46.35 | Zeal | Bagginsww, does RotH touch on Broken? |
| 16:46.40 | Bagginsww | not at all |
| 16:46.51 | Zeal | ffs : / |
| 16:46.59 | Bagginsww | however it says lost ones are drainei nicknamed "lost ones' |
| 16:47.05 | Zeal | ok answer me this, do the Draenei leave in the novel? |
| 16:47.16 | Bagginsww | it says they hide in zangermarsh |
| 16:47.21 | Zeal | ah, i see |
| 16:47.24 | Zeal | that makes sense |
| 16:47.26 | Bagginsww | it doesn't explain |
| 16:47.30 | Bagginsww | how they got a new ship |
| 16:47.43 | Bagginsww | at the end they just crash land 2 days before the books ends |
| 16:47.45 | Zeal | Yeah, i'm confused about Tempest Keep really. |
| 16:48.05 | Bagginsww | I can only guess that K'ure must have contacted more of his species somehow |
| 16:48.17 | Zeal | i originally thought that was where they were, that was the initial ship. but obviously not. |
| 16:48.40 | Zeal | Well we know Khadgar had to bring the Naaru back |
| 16:48.46 | Zeal | so i dunno about that. |
| 16:48.54 | Bagginsww | also rpg and a few other sources explain that most lost ones were created during ner'zhul's destruction of the planet. |
| 16:49.00 | Zeal | Tempest keep had a Naaru ofc.. two we know of. |
| 16:49.06 | Bagginsww | from the planet ripping apart |
| 16:49.12 | Zeal | *-a |
| 16:49.17 | Bagginsww | shaatrath has one |
| 16:49.28 | Zeal | yeah, that's the one Khadgar got. |
| 16:49.39 | Bagginsww | when he was off traveling the planets |
| 16:49.46 | Bagginsww | after jumping int he portals |
| 16:49.53 | Zeal | huh? nope :s |
| 16:50.07 | Zeal | he jsut used magic to contact them while they were fighting the Legion elsewhere. |
| 16:50.19 | Bagginsww | Khadger jumped into portals that were ripping draeneor apart |
| 16:50.21 | Bagginsww | to survive |
| 16:50.25 | Bagginsww | he came back later |
| 16:50.33 | Zeal | where is this said...? |
| 16:50.39 | Bagginsww | warcraft 2 and a dozen other sources |
| 16:50.58 | Bagginsww | shadows and light too |
| 16:51.32 | Bagginsww | He was too close to the explosion center, so he jumped through to save himself and those that were that close to the portal |
| 16:51.35 | Zeal | hm.. Well i'm holding out on a possible retcon there |
| 16:51.40 | Zeal | he makes no mention of it : / |
| 16:51.51 | Bagginsww | I came across a few places in BC that implies he returned later |
| 16:52.07 | Bagginsww | not his own words but from others |
| 16:52.17 | Zeal | well feel free to add it to the Khadgar article. none of that is on it.. |
| 16:53.01 | Bagginsww | we can wait until BC is released to get exact quotes |
| 16:53.34 | Bagginsww | APG, and HPG also went into it as well as I recall |
| 16:53.55 | Zeal | yeah.. i'm talking about that he went through the portal period.. |
| 16:54.03 | Bagginsww | it only begs the quesiton on how brann knew so much about stuff that went on beyond the dark portal though LOL |
| 16:54.05 | Zeal | none of it is on there |
| 16:54.11 | Zeal | lol |
| 16:54.26 | Zeal | same way malfurion knows what his brother is doing.. |
| 16:54.38 | Zeal | while trapped in another plane of existance |
| 16:54.53 | Bagginsww | and unable to contain the terrible energies they unleashed, the archmage used Medivh's spellbook to close the Dark Portal from the other side, thereby shielding Azeroth from the final cataclysm of Draenor's destruction. Khadgar ushered the survivors into one of the rifts, and the Expedition's activities therafter are unknown. |
| 16:54.55 | Bagginsww | is there |
| 16:55.03 | Zeal | across a galaxy, and through again into anotherp lane of existance. |
| 16:55.14 | Bagginsww | lol |
| 16:55.24 | Bagginsww | or thrall apparently knows what happened to kil'jaeden |
| 16:55.27 | Zeal | ah, missed that. |
| 16:55.53 | Bagginsww | or the historians who put together warcraft 3 manual know most of the titan/sargeras history |
| 16:56.02 | Zeal | Last Guardian released after WC2? |
| 16:56.08 | Bagginsww | ya |
| 16:56.15 | Zeal | kk |
| 16:56.16 | Bagginsww | before warcraft III? not sure |
| 16:56.25 | Zeal | i'm with retcon on his age then.. |
| 16:56.39 | Bagginsww | who's age? |
| 16:57.00 | Zeal | *his appeared age |
| 16:57.04 | Zeal | Khadgar |
| 16:57.13 | Bagginsww | oh Khadgar is weird though |
| 16:57.18 | Bagginsww | he appears different in different sources |
| 16:57.45 | Bagginsww | in Shadow's in Light for example he is shown in one picture from about the time of him going on the expedition |
| 16:57.50 | Zeal | well The Last Guardian thorws up the question of a possible retcon, and WoW confirms it. simple enough for me. |
| 16:57.51 | Bagginsww | to appear young |
| 16:58.20 | Bagginsww | where as much earlier when he's just built the keep |
| 16:58.30 | Bagginsww | inj a short story he's shown to look like a bearded ancient old man LOL |
| 16:58.56 | Bagginsww | similar to how he looks on the statues |
| 16:59.22 | Zeal | We still don't know what's been used to open the portal do we? |
| 16:59.23 | Bagginsww | both in the same book |
| 16:59.58 | Bagginsww | uh no, brann just mentions that has been rebuilt for a while now |
| 17:00.07 | Bagginsww | he's not sure who did it |
| 17:00.13 | Bagginsww | but no one wants to get past the demons guarding it it |
| 17:00.16 | Bagginsww | to find out |
| 17:00.43 | Bagginsww | in game the portal has been active for a while |
| 17:00.48 | Bagginsww | just not accessable |
| 17:00.59 | Zeal | noo.. |
| 17:01.04 | Bagginsww | its been swirling since wow beta |
| 17:01.08 | Zeal | i mean kazzak |
| 17:01.12 | Zeal | the story so far |
| 17:01.22 | Bagginsww | ya he reconnects it to draenor |
| 17:01.24 | Zeal | the artifact hes used to reopen the portal |
| 17:01.29 | Bagginsww | its more of a reconnection |
| 17:01.33 | Bagginsww | than a true opening |
| 17:01.48 | Zeal | i think otherwise, but thats up for blizzard to sort out |
| 17:01.51 | Bagginsww | maybe connected to those dragon shards |
| 17:01.55 | Bagginsww | that krull calls out about |
| 17:02.04 | Zeal | mhm |
| 17:02.36 | Bagginsww | http://www.wowwiki.com/Kruul |
| 17:03.09 | Bagginsww | aspect shards |
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| 17:05.26 | Bagginsww | btw Brann is funny, he mentions nearly word for word what occurs in Beyond the Dark Portal about the expedition |
| 17:05.36 | Bagginsww | and then he's like at least that's what we have heard |
| 17:05.48 | Bagginsww | but aren't sure |
| 17:05.48 | Zeal | lol |
| 17:05.58 | Bagginsww | because they haven't been in contact with them in a long time |
| 17:06.39 | Bagginsww | so its like he got the story from another source |
| 17:07.02 | Bagginsww | only guess maybe some of the lost ones or maybe some nobodies made it back through the portal |
| 17:07.18 | Bagginsww | someone part of the expedition but not the heroes |
| 17:07.47 | Bagginsww | peasant ftw |
| 17:08.09 | Bagginsww | cause he's very unclear on what happened ot the heroes beyond the stories he's heard |
| 17:08.36 | Bagginsww | hearing that some had jumped through the portals etc. |
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| 17:13.47 | Bagginsww | btw HPG and APG also go more into Kazzak's background |
| 17:14.04 | Zeal | I still find the Lost Ones being on Azeroth implausible |
| 17:14.14 | Zeal | cool |
| 17:14.16 | Bagginsww | they came through the portal |
| 17:14.27 | Bagginsww | before Illidan disconnected the portals |
| 17:14.39 | Tepetkhet | portal reset by peer |
| 17:14.42 | Bagginsww | along with apparently the broken. |
| 17:14.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | damn it >:{ |
| 17:14.48 | Zeal | lol Tepetkhet |
| 17:14.50 | Tuqui-tuqui | highlord Kruul is in UC right now |
| 17:14.58 | Bagginsww | wow |
| 17:15.00 | Bagginsww | inside? |
| 17:15.03 | Zeal | what says this Bagginsww? |
| 17:15.08 | Tuqui-tuqui | right now the courtyard |
| 17:15.14 | Bagginsww | Manual of MOnsters, Lands of Conflict |
| 17:15.16 | Tuqui-tuqui | I havent logged on |
| 17:15.18 | Bagginsww | the quests |
| 17:15.21 | Bagginsww | in WoW |
| 17:15.42 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://blissyb.dirtyoldgoat.com/WoWScrnShot_011207_174924.jpg |
| 17:15.47 | Zeal | Hang on, remind me how Illidan reponed the portal? :S |
| 17:16.00 | Bagginsww | the portals between outland were open already |
| 17:16.05 | Bagginsww | there were several of them |
| 17:16.11 | Zeal | erm.. wtf? |
| 17:16.12 | Bagginsww | one in kalimdor btw |
| 17:16.18 | Zeal | there were several from them |
| 17:16.22 | Bagginsww | opened up to Outland Arena |
| 17:16.30 | Zeal | only ever one between Azeroth and Outland |
| 17:16.39 | Bagginsww | TFT was unclear why these portals were open |
| 17:16.47 | Bagginsww | you havne't played TFT? |
| 17:16.51 | Zeal | as i thought |
| 17:16.53 | Zeal | yes i have |
| 17:17.00 | Zeal | and IIRC it was never touched on |
| 17:17.00 | Bagginsww | well there are other portals |
| 17:17.03 | Zeal | it was a mess |
| 17:17.09 | Zeal | there aren't though.. |
| 17:17.11 | Bagginsww | illidan opens one up |
| 17:17.13 | Bagginsww | in the city |
| 17:17.36 | Bagginsww | of dalaran |
| 17:17.36 | Bagginsww | that's how he escapes |
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| 17:17.42 | Bagginsww | later sources says he closes these portals down |
| 17:17.45 | Zeal | Illidan was opening demonic portals left right and center in TFT |
| 17:17.47 | Bagginsww | and the ones to other worlds |
| 17:18.01 | Zeal | wb Kirkburn |
| 17:18.06 | Bagginsww | Rexxar had to travel through one in Kalimdor |
| 17:18.07 | Kirkburn | lo |
| 17:18.29 | Zeal | Rexxar side quests were a bit of a joke tbh.. |
| 17:18.50 | Bagginsww | btw Khadger could open up portals to other worlds as well he just never opened them fully |
| 17:18.59 | Zeal | ofc |
| 17:19.04 | Bagginsww | they jsut are the same thing as The Dark Portal |
| 17:19.13 | Zeal | well know |
| 17:19.15 | Zeal | *no |
| 17:19.37 | Bagginsww | main thing about the dark portal is its a permanant phonemena |
| 17:19.44 | Bagginsww | most of the other ones are unstable |
| 17:19.49 | Zeal | the link to Draenor was always there, convienantly |
| 17:19.50 | Bagginsww | collapse on themselves |
| 17:20.07 | Bagginsww | Dark Portal once it was fully opened has never fully closed |
| 17:20.18 | Zeal | no? |
| 17:20.20 | Bagginsww | even with the destruction of the gate strature |
| 17:20.23 | Bagginsww | *structure |
| 17:20.34 | Zeal | so what did Khadgar do? |
| 17:20.46 | Bagginsww | that's the main reason why he set up nethegarde keep |
| 17:20.53 | Bagginsww | to moniter the size of the portal |
| 17:21.00 | Bagginsww | try to prevent it from being oppenedf ully again |
| 17:21.05 | Bagginsww | *fully |
| 17:21.19 | Zeal | oddly for me i'm getting pissed off with this discussion, not at you, but at te ridiculous bs Blizzard do sometimes.. |
| 17:21.19 | Bagginsww | they had only shrank it |
| 17:21.40 | Bagginsww | and then beyond the dark portal happens because the portal is reopened |
| 17:21.49 | Bagginsww | more horde stream out |
| 17:22.02 | Zeal | He set up nethergarde keep while he was on the otherwise of a closed portal? >_> |
| 17:22.14 | Bagginsww | and then someone rebuilt the structure between warcraft II and WoW |
| 17:22.15 | Zeal | yeah |
| 17:22.21 | Zeal | i'm talking about the last closure |
| 17:22.23 | Bagginsww | nethergarde was built |
| 17:22.24 | Bagginsww | before |
| 17:22.29 | Bagginsww | aat tne end of the Second WAr |
| 17:22.34 | Bagginsww | after they destroyed the gate |
| 17:22.41 | Bagginsww | but found the portal existed |
| 17:22.42 | Bagginsww | still |
| 17:22.47 | Zeal | yes.. not talking about that. |
| 17:23.04 | Zeal | talking about the expedition, the closure from the other side. |
| 17:23.08 | Bagginsww | the thing about "closures' is they aren't really full closures |
| 17:23.22 | Zeal | Blizzard seem to beg to differ. |
| 17:23.24 | Bagginsww | the hole still exists |
| 17:23.36 | Zeal | the link still exists |
| 17:23.40 | Zeal | but no portal |
| 17:23.47 | Bagginsww | not a portal you could enter |
| 17:23.53 | Bagginsww | its very small hole |
| 17:23.54 | Zeal | not a portal at all |
| 17:24.01 | Zeal | no hole, zippo |
| 17:24.04 | Bagginsww | its only a portal when tis big enought o enter |
| 17:24.12 | Bagginsww | this is blizzard for you |
| 17:24.19 | Bagginsww | they mix words |
| 17:24.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | can I crawl through it? |
| 17:25.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | has a titan ever been seen in any of the games? |
| 17:25.10 | Bagginsww | but ever since release of WoW the portal had been built and you could look into the energy vortex |
| 17:25.26 | Bagginsww | uh in WoW in a few quest lines I think |
| 17:25.31 | Bagginsww | one appears in spirit form |
| 17:25.43 | Bagginsww | those giants you fight might be lesser titans |
| 17:25.54 | Bagginsww | the gold colored humanoid giants |
| 17:25.57 | Zeal | anyways.. cba TFT was rather laughable in places. gunna make food then sleep. Kirkburn, check out http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/NPC:Broxxigar, let me know what you think of the speculation template. |
| 17:26.54 | Kirkburn | Don't think the word 'fan' is needed |
| 17:27.07 | Kirkburn | Good idea though :) |
| 17:27.09 | Bagginsww | TFT may have things that make little sense but they are still part of lore |
| 17:27.10 | Zeal | What they never really gets explained. they probably aren't titans but constructs.. though it makes more sense if they are titans. |
| 17:27.28 | Bagginsww | well all titans are metallic beings themselves |
| 17:27.56 | Bagginsww | and they used that same model for the titan that contacts you via vision |
| 17:28.00 | Bagginsww | during one of hte quest lines |
| 17:28.04 | Zeal | i do, there is a difference between fan speculation and in-universe speculation. if you can think of soemthing better to say isntead of fan, sure. but making the difference clear is needed. |
| 17:28.05 | Kirkburn | I have no sound on my Vista PC today as Creative left it until the driver expired to release a new version :/ |
| 17:28.08 | Bagginsww | appearing inside of inn in Wetlands |
| 17:28.37 | Bagginsww | its unclear yes |
| 17:28.45 | Zeal | don't beleive i've done that quest.. actually might have, don't recall a titan though. |
| 17:28.48 | Bagginsww | all I know they just used the model for |
| 17:28.51 | Bagginsww | Titan vision sequen |
| 17:29.09 | Zeal | lame Kirkburn : / |
| 17:29.11 | Bagginsww | You get some artifact, spirit of titan appears |
| 17:29.21 | Bagginsww | warns you not to look into their past further |
| 17:29.27 | Zeal | same area the blade of titans drops isn't it? |
| 17:29.30 | Bagginsww | it could be very dangerous |
| 17:29.33 | Bagginsww | release the end of hte world |
| 17:29.34 | Zeal | or was that the reward? |
| 17:29.40 | Bagginsww | not sure |
| 17:29.55 | Bagginsww | something you get out of that dig site in wetlands though |
| 17:30.00 | Bagginsww | as I recall |
| 17:30.08 | Bagginsww | have to take it back to menethil harbor in |
| 17:30.10 | Bagginsww | *inn |
| 17:30.19 | Bagginsww | dont' even remember the spirits name |
| 17:30.28 | Bagginsww | if he had a name |
| 17:30.34 | Kirkburn | Zeal, very lame. Downloading the new ones now :/ Seriously, they left it a bit late |
| 17:30.54 | Bagginsww | oh ya Princess |
| 17:30.57 | Bagginsww | remember her? |
| 17:31.04 | Bagginsww | well the one in Aralthi highalnds |
| 17:31.11 | Bagginsww | there are alot of princesses :p |
| 17:31.18 | Kirkburn | I remember that wetlands quest, didn't see it on my first char, was v impressed :) |
| 17:31.42 | Kirkburn | Not sure he had a name either, I think it was a generic "spirit of the past" type name |
| 17:31.45 | Bagginsww | you go about doing alot of unsealing of elementals in alrathi |
| 17:31.53 | Bagginsww | and finally you release this being called Princess |
| 17:32.01 | Bagginsww | she uses the female Titan giant model as well |
| 17:32.27 | Bagginsww | and may have been sealed away by the Titans |
| 17:32.35 | Bagginsww | I don't remember |
| 17:32.49 | Bagginsww | ya Kirkburn that's what I was trying to recall if it was a title not a name |
| 17:32.55 | Zeal | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/qlookup.html?zone=18 pick a quest, any quest Bagginsww.. lol |
| 17:33.24 | Bagginsww | might have been tied to Uncovering hte Past |
| 17:33.49 | Zeal | yeah, done the princess quest, now that fairly well. |
| 17:33.53 | Zeal | *know |
| 17:33.58 | Zeal | but shes certainly no titan |
| 17:34.06 | Zeal | they locked her up in the first place didn't they? |
| 17:34.17 | Bagginsww | As I recall yes |
| 17:34.27 | Bagginsww | Blizzard is bad at reusing the same models for lots of things |
| 17:34.35 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:34.47 | Kirkburn | Or reusing the wrong model - e.g. Onyxia :) |
| 17:34.49 | Bagginsww | use the same dog model just change a few doodads like the head |
| 17:35.18 | Bagginsww | alot of creatures in Outlands are based on creatures in Azeroth with a few doodad changes |
| 17:35.34 | Bagginsww | YOu'll see chilmaera, more dogs, raptors.. :p |
| 17:35.38 | Kirkburn | *Some* |
| 17:35.41 | Kirkburn | Most are new |
| 17:35.52 | Bagginsww | that's good |
| 17:35.58 | Kirkburn | Depends on the zone, I guess |
| 17:36.10 | Bagginsww | mosh'arg sp? |
| 17:36.19 | Bagginsww | the stunted ones |
| 17:36.27 | Bagginsww | they seem tob e based off the lost ones model |
| 17:36.30 | Bagginsww | with a few changes |
| 17:36.33 | Bagginsww | feet seem the same |
| 17:36.33 | Kirkburn | The nether storm is a very 'new' zone |
| 17:36.43 | Bagginsww | heh heh |
| 17:37.01 | Kirkburn | Yeah, the lost ones model isn't much changed |
| 17:37.06 | Zeal | gief nether ray pet for draenei.. |
| 17:37.38 | Bagginsww | *gan'arg |
| 17:37.39 | Kirkburn | Oh gan'arg? |
| 17:37.39 | Bagginsww | gan'arg looks somewhat like a modified lost ones |
| 17:37.39 | Bagginsww | model |
| 17:37.40 | Zeal | O_o |
| 17:37.41 | Kirkburn | I see what you're saying, but they're not that similar |
| 17:37.50 | Kirkburn | Not once you attack them :) |
| 17:37.55 | Bagginsww | LOL |
| 17:38.26 | Zeal | infact gief pet abilities to draenei zones (there is not a single one, i've tamed everything) >_<; |
| 17:38.31 | Zeal | anyways.. yes sleep. nn |
| 17:40.40 | Bagginsww | I think they should replace Princess Myzrael's model with a smaller version of theradras LOL |
| 17:41.02 | Bagginsww | if she's supposed tob e tied to earth elementals |
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| 18:09.03 | Kirkburn | Apparently the end of beta event is currently on the EU servers |
| 18:11.35 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://blissyb.dirtyoldgoat.com/wow/Kruul.wmv |
| 18:11.40 | Tuqui-tuqui | YOU GOTTA WATCH IT! :D |
| 18:11.47 | Tuqui-tuqui | Its Kruul outside of UC |
| 18:13.23 | Tepetkhet | hah |
| 18:17.59 | Tuqui-tuqui | what do you think |
| 18:18.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | thats so badass :D |
| 18:33.16 | Gryphen | http://www.alliedtribalforces.com/forum/showpost.php?p=39930 |
| 18:34.57 | Kirkburn | :D |
| 18:39.19 | Tuqui-tuqui | awesome :D |
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| 18:49.22 | t | Hello |
| 18:49.41 | t | Anyone here that can help me with a problem? |
| 18:51.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | what kind of problem :| |
| 18:54.15 | t | i put my WOW in window mode |
| 18:54.31 | t | and when i unchecked the window mode option, it never went back to normal |
| 18:54.49 | t | i did all this in the cosmos configuration |
| 18:54.51 | Tuqui-tuqui | did you exit and reenter WoW? |
| 18:55.08 | t | yea tried everything, even reinstalled it |
| 18:55.39 | Gryphen | hehe that was unneeded work |
| 18:55.54 | Gryphen | you have to enter wow and go to the video options and uncheck windowed mode in-game |
| 18:56.05 | Tuqui-tuqui | he did that |
| 18:56.11 | Tuqui-tuqui | t and when i unchecked the window mode option, it never went back to normal |
| 18:56.20 | Gryphen | no, he unchecked it in the patcher |
| 18:56.24 | Gryphen | not in game |
| 18:56.28 | Tuqui-tuqui | ahhh.... |
| 18:56.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | good catch |
| 18:56.34 | t | argh.. |
| 18:57.38 | Gryphen | when you check launch in windowed mode on the patcher it just does "wow.exe -windowed" which automatically checks that setting in game, when you uncheck the patcher it just launches "wow.exe" which will use whatever setting the game is set to, which is still checked on windowed. |
| 18:58.33 | t | kk thx, but now i gotta wait for all these UPDATES |
| 19:19.34 | jrr | yay updates |
| 19:28.38 | Tuqui-tuqui | yay! |
| 19:30.51 | Tepetkhet | hm |
| 19:36.20 | Tuqui-tuqui | :o |
| 19:36.30 | Tuqui-tuqui | dont take medicine from strangers |
| 19:36.37 | jrr | shh! |
| 19:36.41 | Tepetkhet | Can't take Tylenol anyway. |
| 19:36.49 | Dr|Tuqster | here, take these happy pills |
| 19:37.27 | TuqBilling | that'll be $50, please. |
| 19:37.34 | Dr|Tuqster | for each |
| 19:37.49 | Dr|Tuqster | remember I have to fill up my gargantuan Navigator |
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| 20:13.52 | Tuqui-tuqui | http://cgi.ebay.com/World-of-Warcraft-Burning-Crusade-Collectors-Edition_W0QQitemZ200065558093QQihZ010QQcategoryZ62053QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 20:13.53 | Tuqui-tuqui | ... |
| 20:14.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | $280 for a game the seller does not even have -.- |
| 20:15.05 | jrr | crazy |
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| 20:18.37 | nemppu | Tuqui-tuqui remember seeing one for $400 on ebay |
| 20:18.44 | Tuqui-tuqui | XD |
| 20:19.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | too bad this is become a market |
| 20:19.09 | nemppu | yeah o,O |
| 20:19.26 | jrr | some people made a lot of money on ps3s |
| 20:19.27 | Tuqui-tuqui | Blizzard should step in and ask eBay to pull down those bids -.- |
| 20:19.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | and Sony too! |
| 20:19.42 | jrr | but there's nothing illegal, is there? |
| 20:20.01 | Tuqui-tuqui | no |
| 20:20.04 | Tuqui-tuqui | not at all |
| 20:20.49 | jrr | i don't think sony is making much |
| 20:27.43 | Tekkub | I think PS3 is a load of horse shit |
| 20:28.00 | Tekkub | but then, I'm not easily swayed by shiney objects |
| 20:29.00 | mgg4_ | Ooooo. Shiney. |
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| 20:34.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | Hi guys |
| 20:35.08 | Tepetkhet | hi |
| 20:35.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | Hmmm |
| 20:35.15 | Gryphen | heya |
| 20:35.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | any admin here? |
| 20:35.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | currently at this very moment xD |
| 20:36.02 | Tuqui-tuqui | -.- |
| 20:36.43 | jrr | Tekkub: i agree =] |
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| 20:43.51 | Gryphen | Patrigan-Syldra yes? |
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| 20:45.03 | Adys8924 | Kirkburn / Kirkburn|afk guess you know already but beta event started :P |
| 20:45.20 | Kirkburn | Yeah, had a look around :) |
| 20:45.30 | Kirkburn | Died lots |
| 20:45.42 | Kirkburn | Bloody Doomreavers! |
| 20:45.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | Well, I'm wondering how exactly do the admins stand on bots... |
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| 20:49.37 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, ? |
| 20:50.02 | Kirkburn | What do you mean/what have I missed? |
| 20:51.07 | Kirkburn | Talking about Beep? |
| 20:51.26 | jrr | beep. |
| 20:51.27 | jrr | boop. |
| 20:52.31 | Kirkburn | I must say, Beep2 is awesome :P |
| 20:52.58 | jrr | [p!off] |
| 20:53.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | no no |
| 20:53.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm thinking |
| 20:54.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | if I want to put up all TCG Cards... |
| 20:54.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm gonna need a bot >.< |
| 20:54.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's about 400 atm |
| 20:54.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | and probably 340 more in march/April |
| 20:54.24 | jrr | there may be a wikimedia mass upload |
| 20:55.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, not on our WoWwiki |
| 20:55.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | but a bot should be fine |
| 20:55.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Upload.py should do the trick |
| 20:56.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | Just still studying how exaclty to work with it XD |
| 20:57.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | but as long as I don't make a botaccount I can't touch the wiki ^^ |
| 20:57.54 | jrr | shell account? |
| 20:58.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | no no |
| 20:59.00 | mgg4_ | Does wowwiki use the MediaWiki application? I have need to create a Wiki-like project at work, and would like to use the same base code. |
| 20:59.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | useraccount at the WoWwiki :p |
| 20:59.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | a bot runs from my computer inflicting changes on the wowwiki like a normal user |
| 21:01.08 | Gryphen | mgg4_ yes mediawiki |
| 21:01.15 | Kirkburn | We can add bot accounts |
| 21:01.28 | Kirkburn | *flag, I mean |
| 21:01.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm, k |
| 21:01.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | then I just need to get the bot running |
| 21:01.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | put all images in top condition |
| 21:02.03 | Kirkburn | Bot accounts are fine as long as we know about them. Fandyllic can set them as a 'bot' and then they won't show on the RC list |
| 21:02.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | (smallfilesize good looks) and perhaps I should add a wowwiki watermark? |
| 21:02.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | and then I just need to make the account and tell you guys |
| 21:02.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | you flag |
| 21:02.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | and on downtimes I run it ^^ |
| 21:04.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | brb |
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| 21:23.46 | Kirkburn | Did you know: |
| 21:23.54 | Kirkburn | We have 4,691 stubs |
| 21:24.42 | *** join/#wowwiki foxlit (n=me@0x50c4b029.albnxx9.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 21:24.42 | Kirkburn | And that's just the stubs that use the 'stub' image. There are others, too |
| 21:25.03 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:TBC_lady_vashj.jpg : datamined tbc image? :) |
| 21:25.42 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 21:27.04 | Kirkburn | foxlit, I just said: <Kirkburn> We have 4,691 stubs |
| 21:27.39 | Tuqui-tuqui | did you guys know there are 4,691 stubs? |
| 21:28.42 | foxlit | Quite likely. |
| 21:29.12 | foxlit | Quite a lot of the database pages are stubs. |
| 21:30.09 | jrr | Quite. |
| 21:30.21 | Tuqui-tuqui | shh! Be Quite |
| 21:30.46 | jrr | Okay, i'm fed up. that's it. I Quite! |
| 21:30.52 | foxlit | Wee, overpowered talking cats in 2.0.3/ |
| 21:31.00 | jrr | ? |
| 21:31.07 | foxlit | Finally; shifting out to interact with things is was a pain. |
| 21:31.27 | foxlit | Shapeshifted druids can now interact with NPCs and objects as if they were in human form. |
| 21:31.30 | jrr | shifted druids can interact with npc's now? |
| 21:31.31 | jrr | zomg |
| 21:31.36 | jrr | linky |
| 21:32.02 | foxlit | Can't; just mentioned it because I just managed to repair in cat form. |
| 21:32.10 | jrr | oh |
| 21:32.18 | jrr | i thought you were reading patch notes or something |
| 21:32.22 | jrr | could it have been lag? |
| 21:32.35 | foxlit | Doubt it. |
| 21:32.47 | Kirkburn | We need to reduce the number of unnecessary stubs. Just because an article is short doesn't mean it's a stub |
| 21:32.59 | jrr | http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/patchnotes/patch2p01.html |
| 21:33.09 | foxlit | "Shapeshifted druids will now be able to speak to npcs while shapeshifted. " |
| 21:33.17 | Kirkburn | I mean like, [[Retail]] (which is stupid anyway) is NOT a stub |
| 21:33.30 | foxlit | Vfd, really |
| 21:33.39 | foxlit | Glossary -> page. |
| 21:34.10 | foxlit | Almost no incoming links, too. |
| 21:34.44 | Kirkburn | Oh ffs, we're not a dictionary :/ |
| 21:34.50 | Kirkburn | There's a page for "Unknown" too |
| 21:35.08 | foxlit | How about it, actually? |
| 21:35.29 | foxlit | Stamp a big VfD on Category:Glossary, merge things worth keeping into a single page. |
| 21:35.44 | foxlit | Change incoming links to Glossary#Term]] |
| 21:35.46 | Kirkburn | VfD? |
| 21:35.50 | foxlit | Vote for deletion |
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| 21:37.03 | foxlit | Think I'll actually do that -- merge Glossary pages into a single page and change incoming links. |
| 21:37.07 | Kirkburn | hrm |
| 21:37.15 | Kirkburn | The glossary isn't small |
| 21:37.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | Unknown is a common phenomenon in WoW |
| 21:37.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | when it lags while logging in as an example |
| 21:37.56 | foxlit | Not all of it needs to be kept, really. |
| 21:38.10 | Kirkburn | I'm going to look at reducing the number of stubs atm |
| 21:38.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | a Glossary page should be created |
| 21:38.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | or multiple |
| 21:38.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | because recently, I made a page for In-Game and IRL |
| 21:38.42 | foxlit | "First Person Shooter" |
| 21:38.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | because those were both very common words in WoW |
| 21:38.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | but words like FPS aren't needed at all |
| 21:39.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | we should keep things related to WoW and kick out the rest |
| 21:39.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | (watch it though, I heard of a specc called "First Person Shooter" |
| 21:39.27 | jrr | gold: http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=64586528&sid=1&pageNo=1 |
| 21:39.41 | foxlit | "Three revert rule" aliasing to WW:Policy/stuff |
| 21:40.30 | Kirkburn | Yes, please do suggest articles for deletion |
| 21:41.09 | Kirkburn | This isn't wikipedia, we only need cover actual WoW stuff =) |
| 21:41.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | We aren't wikipedia? :< |
| 21:41.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | aw... |
| 21:41.52 | foxlit | Digital Millennium Copyright Act |
| 21:42.06 | Kirkburn | foxlit, that was when we got the note from Blizz about datamines images |
| 21:42.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | Though we should also trim on the not so close but still related subjects |
| 21:42.39 | foxlit | Hm, makes sense; but would make even more sense to change incoming links to [[Wikipedia:]] |
| 21:42.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | I could if I want make Communism related to WoW |
| 21:42.52 | foxlit | Since we already use them for things like NDA. |
| 21:43.20 | Kirkburn | foxlit, yes |
| 21:43.52 | Kirkburn | Most certainly. If we're not adding Warcraft specific stuff to it, then it should redirect to wp |
| 21:44.24 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/BlizzGamez_Entertainment ? |
| 21:45.10 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 21:45.36 | foxlit | Should I just mark the DMCA/ESA chain that I'm redirecting to wikipedia as speedydelete? |
| 21:46.06 | foxlit | (plan is to trace links to the actual article / templates linking to the glossary pages in wowwiki, and change those to Wikipedia:links) |
| 21:46.10 | Kirkburn | Yeah, it is techinically DNP |
| 21:46.15 | Kirkburn | *technically |
| 21:46.35 | Kirkburn | (So long as we're not adding warcraft specific info) |
| 21:47.25 | foxlit | Hah, funny. |
| 21:47.30 | Kirkburn | Eventually, one day, there won't be more articles to add and we can actually fill out the ones we do have ;) |
| 21:47.33 | foxlit | DMCA <=> Digital Millenium Copyright Act |
| 21:47.35 | foxlit | Nothing else. |
| 21:47.42 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:50.32 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Entertainment_Software_Association ? |
| 21:51.48 | foxlit | No incoming links left once ESA is gone, which in turn has no incoming links outside DMCA/Digital Millenium Copyright act |
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| 21:59.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Tabard_of_the_Protector |
| 21:59.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | how is that still a stub? |
| 21:59.49 | adys | needs links, quests, boilerplating etc |
| 22:00.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | doesn't it have all that? oO |
| 22:00.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | except for Boilerplating perhaps |
| 22:00.16 | adys | where are the external links? |
| 22:00.31 | foxlit | [[Offensive_Towering]] ? |
| 22:00.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | Why are external links required? |
| 22:01.08 | foxlit | Convinience. |
| 22:01.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | God.... |
| 22:01.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'll be happy when we have some program running to take items of |
| 22:01.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | there is nothing "convenient" to it |
| 22:02.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's just saying: "Yeah we don't trust urselves so here is a link to a "real" item site" |
| 22:02.21 | foxlit | I don't trust the wiki when it comes to items, honestly. |
| 22:02.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | How do we ever actually hope to achieve the title of being trustworthy if we need to protect every page with external links to other itempages... |
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| 22:02.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | yet |
| 22:02.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | we are one of the few websites that had t5 stats listed |
| 22:03.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | on top of that |
| 22:03.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | Allakhazam and Thottbot are full with flaws... Like Mounts dissenchanting? oO |
| 22:03.27 | Teomyr | the big advantage of wowwiki, in comparison to all the other sites, is that our content is mainly made by humans |
| 22:03.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | advantage or disadvantage? |
| 22:03.56 | foxlit | Both. |
| 22:04.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | I get annoyed by the fact that we need to prove with a true item page on every item... |
| 22:04.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | why? ... |
| 22:05.23 | foxlit | Hm, someone should steal Kickburn's signature template for elinks. That'd make them smaller vertically :P |
| 22:05.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | See that's why we need a program taking the Itemcache and reworking it into decent pages for the wiki... |
| 22:05.59 | foxlit | Why? |
| 22:06.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | Just so we can stop always protecting ourselves with what is written... |
| 22:06.10 | Teomyr | on the one hand, we don't have stuff like "Ironforge Guard drops Morrowgrain with 0.27849560%", but on the other hand, if we don't get some integration with a database, the pages might get outdated |
| 22:06.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | indeed Teomyr |
| 22:06.28 | Tepetkhet | It is payday. |
| 22:06.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | nice! |
| 22:06.34 | foxlit | It's fine, really. Should've never went into "let's database all items" anyway. |
| 22:06.35 | Tepetkhet | It is past the time I usually leave. |
| 22:06.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | we need such a program |
| 22:06.41 | Tepetkhet | And I have not been paid...and my boss is not here. |
| 22:06.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | make a fuss Tepetkhet |
| 22:06.58 | Tepetkhet | I am broke and I have somewhere to be. |
| 22:06.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | a BIG fuss |
| 22:07.04 | Tepetkhet | There is nobody to make a fuss here. |
| 22:07.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | and they'll help you within minutes... |
| 22:07.10 | Tepetkhet | er, make a fuss with here. |
| 22:07.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | ow oO |
| 22:07.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's less good :< |
| 22:07.24 | Tepetkhet | yes... |
| 22:09.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | ell that cuts my plan for tonight updating every tabard... |
| 22:09.19 | Kirkburn | moo |
| 22:09.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | not feeling like it anymore atm... |
| 22:09.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | People work so hard on this website and still we have to prove our right with a silly page of flaws like ALlakhazam and Thottbot |
| 22:10.10 | Tepetkhet | AH |
| 22:10.13 | Tepetkhet | My boss just arrived. |
| 22:10.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | nice! |
| 22:11.07 | Tepetkhet | bye |
| 22:11.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://wow.allakhazam.com/ |
| 22:11.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | bye Tepetkhet |
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| 22:11.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | for those who were doubting their partnership with EBgames |
| 22:12.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | bleh it's not the same website >< |
| 22:12.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | I suck XD |
| 22:14.09 | temujin | ? |
| 22:14.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | nvm ^^ |
| 22:14.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm off |
| 22:15.04 | mgg4 | Hey Patrigan, make sure that site didn't install a trojan. |
| 22:15.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:15.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | What site? oO |
| 22:15.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | and a trojan? oO Without me knowing it? oO |
| 22:15.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | how in heaven would it get past all my Firewalls oO |
| 22:15.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | not to mention any other measures I take against it oO |
| 22:16.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | though, no notificitations :) |
| 22:16.16 | mgg4 | You visited a site other than the official Alla... site, right? If you visit these sites, they could be fishers. Just make sure. Sounds like you got it covered. |
| 22:16.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | don't be so afraid of websites, seriously :) |
| 22:16.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 22:16.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | so if I visit google through Allakhazam |
| 22:16.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | I need to watch for a trojan? Xd |
| 22:17.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | people and the fear for trojans ^^ |
| 22:17.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | human kind can be so cute :o |
| 22:17.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | aw, I really love it here on earth ^^ |
| 22:17.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | anyways, I'm off :) |
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| 22:49.46 | Adys | fin :) |
| 22:49.52 | KuinKala | :) |
| 22:51.14 | Fin | hola |
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| 23:26.31 | foxlit | Question: all of this {{friendly}} {{neutral}} {{hostile}} stuff. |
| 23:26.42 | foxlit | A: is it really needed? B: What about faction-based monsters? |
