| 00:00.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | Who cares, as long as we can get thottwiki to run I'm happy |
| 00:00.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | on a side note |
| 00:00.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | the thingy from the thingy int he thingy works with javascripts |
| 00:00.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | >.> |
| 00:01.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | sry ^^ it's late ^^ |
| 00:01.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | The Realm Status page, from worlofwarcraft.com works with javascripts |
| 00:01.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I have not enough knowledge of javascripts >.> |
| 00:01.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | (I actually expected that XD) |
| 00:02.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | anyways logging gn! |
| 00:04.36 | Kirkburn | Btw, edit up this page! http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:IRC |
| 00:04.49 | Kirkburn | Stop leaving, dammit |
| 00:12.08 | [Zeal] | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Realm:Broxigar_%28EU%29 |
| 00:12.20 | [Zeal] | done some tweaking. |
| 00:14.31 | foxlit | Perhaps __NOTOC__ is in order? |
| 00:15.47 | foxlit | it's is short for it is, you mean its several places |
| 00:17.47 | [Zeal] | didn't understand a word of that. i've moved the toc so it's an appropriate place for it's length to not effect content, only off-linking which after you've read, will be near the bottom, or the toc can be hidden for. |
| 00:17.54 | [Zeal] | *in an |
| 00:19.32 | foxlit | Is this the intended render: http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/7599/rendergg2.png ? |
| 00:21.56 | [Zeal] | yes |
| 00:24.48 | [Zeal] | was dreading you pulling out an IE6 rendered page then :P |
| 00:46.42 | [Zeal] | do beta and ptr realms use only one battlegroup and does it ever share the same name as a live battlegroup? :s |
| 00:49.38 | *** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 00:49.44 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 00:57.08 | [Zeal] | wb :p |
| 00:58.19 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 01:03.08 | Kirkburn | foxlit, what name do you go by on the wiki again? |
| 01:04.29 | Tekkub | http://store.theonion.com/product_info.php?products_id=173 |
| 01:07.08 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 01:07.52 | *** join/#wowwiki iKo (n=fauxwedd@abq-216-31-115-34.dsl.zianet.com) |
| 01:09.46 | iKo | y helo thar |
| 01:10.25 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Starlightblunder |
| 01:13.06 | Kirkburn | Ah of course |
| 01:13.13 | Kirkburn | iKo, hello |
| 01:13.28 | Kirkburn | Wow, I just noticed - http://ui.worldofwar.net/top20.php |
| 01:13.32 | Kirkburn | I'm number 15 =) |
| 01:13.38 | iKo | Hello there |
| 01:14.48 | foxlit | Position of ThreatMeter on those lists is just plain sad. |
| 01:15.12 | Kirkburn | eek, 9th |
| 01:17.29 | iKo | Hm. |
| 01:17.39 | iKo | So are any and all players of wow in here? |
| 01:18.00 | Kirkburn | Most here are |
| 01:18.26 | Kirkburn | Some people are just big fans of the books and the 'old' games |
| 01:18.48 | iKo | I just recently re-installed wow |
| 01:19.08 | iKo | After noticing the monumental failure of PSU to entertain me for more than a week and a half. |
| 01:19.21 | Kirkburn | nice :) |
| 01:19.55 | iKo | Yeah, it'll be nice when I can start playing the thing again. |
| 01:20.37 | iKo | Right now I'm limited to just the books for entertainment. |
| 01:21.05 | iKo | That, and reading Lore on wowwiki |
| 01:23.22 | Kirkburn | The books are cool :) |
| 01:23.34 | Kirkburn | Bought and read them all about a month ago |
| 01:23.44 | iKo | I only bought them these past few days |
| 01:23.53 | iKo | What I've read so far I've liked. |
| 01:24.00 | Kirkburn | Awesome |
| 01:24.03 | iKo | Though I'm rather confused as to how I'm supposed to read them |
| 01:24.16 | Kirkburn | Day of the Dragon first |
| 01:24.21 | Kirkburn | Then War of the Ancients |
| 01:24.23 | iKo | But i'm going with Day of the Dragon > The War of the Ancients > Everything else |
| 01:24.28 | Kirkburn | Yep |
| 01:24.36 | [Zeal] | thats what i did |
| 01:24.37 | Kirkburn | Glad we agree :P |
| 01:24.59 | iKo | I wish I'd been around to enjoy Warcraft III and II when they were in their prime. |
| 01:25.15 | iKo | I would've been a fan then, no doubt |
| 01:25.17 | [Zeal] | DotD>WotA>Last Guardisn>Lord of the Clans is how far i've gotten atm. |
| 01:25.31 | [Zeal] | *Guardian |
| 01:26.29 | iKo | Though I got back into Warcraft at a good time, I think, with the release of the expansion |
| 01:26.34 | Kirkburn | I still need Rise of the Horde |
| 01:26.39 | iKo | Which I'm excited and skeptical of |
| 01:26.48 | iKo | excited for. |
| 01:27.03 | Kirkburn | I got the complication book, so I read DotD>LotC>LG>WotA>Cycle of Hatred |
| 01:27.11 | Kirkburn | *compilation |
| 01:27.18 | Kirkburn | (lol, complication) |
| 01:27.22 | iKo | That's what I bought. |
| 01:27.32 | iKo | Which, I really like the way that was put together |
| 01:27.48 | Kirkburn | Yeah, nice collection - haven't read Metzen's bit yet |
| 01:28.32 | Kirkburn | I'm off to bed now ... g'night, and hope to see you all on here when I return =) |
| 01:28.38 | Kirkburn | Oh and one last evil act: |
| 01:28.43 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Cairenn] by Kirkburn |
| 01:28.59 | [Zeal] | yea,h i'm pissed off, i bought mine before the release of that |
| 01:29.08 | [Zeal] | no way i'm buying it just of metzen's book : / |
| 01:29.11 | iKo | I don't have the Sundering yet. |
| 01:29.13 | [Zeal] | *for |
| 01:29.13 | Kirkburn | You get all the cool colours :P |
| 01:29.17 | Kirkburn | *covers |
| 01:29.29 | iKo | I like the compilation's cover |
| 01:29.40 | [Zeal] | rise of the horde i've ordered, but it probably wont be here until late jan : / |
| 01:29.50 | [Zeal] | was too late ordering |
| 01:29.55 | Kirkburn | What's the publication date again? |
| 01:30.01 | [Zeal] | 17th i think |
| 01:30.09 | Kirkburn | Oh, that early? |
| 01:30.15 | iKo | I fear for the 16th, Blood Elves will reign supreme |
| 01:30.26 | [Zeal] | i'm mainyl going off when ragestorm starting making edits based on it :P |
| 01:30.33 | Kirkburn | [Zeal], heh |
| 01:30.34 | [Zeal] | *started |
| 01:31.06 | Kirkburn | Raunchy! (Kirkburn, is, of course, interpreting Cairenn's comments in the very British sense =) |
| 01:31.16 | Cairenn | :p |
| 01:31.32 | Kirkburn | See ya'll 2moro, sleep well! |
| 01:31.51 | Kirkburn | Delicious |
| 01:31.59 | [Zeal] | nn Kirkburn |
| 01:32.04 | Cairenn | night Kirkburn, sweet dreams |
| 01:32.38 | iKo | Hm. |
| 01:32.48 | iKo | So is it sad that I've never been past level 20 on wow? |
| 01:33.09 | [Zeal] | lol, not really. took me over a year |
| 01:33.32 | iKo | I have trouble deciding what to play as |
| 01:34.07 | [Zeal] | i've played every class for atleast 10 levels between the time i hit 60 and open beta. |
| 01:34.35 | [Zeal] | help me decide my fav classes. |
| 01:34.38 | [Zeal] | *helped |
| 01:35.00 | iKo | Well so far, the one that I've tried again and again, the one of the two I've made to 18 and up is Warlock |
| 01:35.08 | iKo | The other being rogue. |
| 01:36.12 | iKo | I'd have to say Warlock would be my favorite, though before I went on vacation I ran a tauren druid to 10 and enjoyed every minute of it |
| 01:36.35 | iKo | What was your level 60? |
| 01:36.50 | [Zeal] | i didn't like warlock, was the second class i ever tried. got to lvl 12 and stopped. mage i sucked at, rogue was ok but not really enjoyable. druid was my first class, i enjoyed that, hunter i've always enjoyed. priest wasn't for me, paladin i enjoy. warrior wasn't for me either. shaman i didn't like. |
| 01:36.53 | [Zeal] | hunter |
| 01:37.07 | iKo | Hunter's popular. |
| 01:37.23 | iKo | I also have trouble deciding what server to play on. |
| 01:37.37 | iKo | Since my friends that used to play have quit and refuse to return to wow |
| 01:38.22 | [Zeal] | while hunter is my fav, it's the class i want to see changed and completely revamped the most (well except for the idea to completely remove warlock) |
| 01:38.40 | [Zeal] | aye, i had hell with friends and servers from day one.. |
| 01:39.06 | iKo | Plus, the populace differs from server to server |
| 01:39.12 | [Zeal] | friend of a friend screwed me over, so i ended up on a diff server to all my friends, so i jsut went alliance against them, lol. main reason i took so long. |
| 01:39.48 | iKo | I don't want to play either RP, and I don't have reason to play PvE, so I've always sought out a PVP server |
| 01:40.15 | iKo | PvE servers, according to the wowcensus site, are usually chock full of alliance most of the time anyways. |
| 01:40.29 | iKo | and when I say alliance, I mean night elves and humans. |
| 01:40.46 | [Zeal] | i did eventually end up on a server with them, hit 60, ended up running a guild, one quit, others went inactive, i quit (for the 3rd time), inactives start playing casually and have their own guild, and i've started playing casually again. |
| 01:41.12 | iKo | What server do you play on? |
| 01:41.14 | [Zeal] | i favour PvE, i've played PvP or RP all my time. |
| 01:41.22 | [Zeal] | Lightning's Blade (EU) |
| 01:41.45 | [Zeal] | plan to switch to Darkspear (EU) once it's open to transfer. |
| 01:41.55 | iKo | Hm. |
| 01:42.10 | iKo | The two I've chosen are Ysondre and Maiev, both American? |
| 01:42.27 | [Zeal] | if you're american, then sure :p |
| 01:42.29 | iKo | Maiev, because it's new, which it seems may or may not be a good choice |
| 01:43.13 | [Zeal] | well i planned to move to PvE, but my friend's guild decided on what server without much research, i'm not too happy about it, but it's not a bad server. |
| 01:43.40 | iKo | well I'd only have trouble because of the lack of newcomers my level |
| 01:44.17 | iKo | Which is why maiev appealed, and I've seperate both of them to have an Alliance PvP and a Horde PvP... |
| 01:44.21 | [Zeal] | i'm sure there will be cronic rerollers on there, no worries :p |
| 01:44.34 | iKo | Which I've only really kept Alliance open for Draenei |
| 01:45.00 | [Zeal] | i hate how twinks have screwed over the economy for alts or new players. : / |
| 01:45.20 | iKo | I wouldn't know. |
| 01:48.13 | iKo | I'm only worried for the new races |
| 01:48.18 | iKo | well, not only |
| 01:48.22 | [Zeal] | how so? |
| 01:48.46 | iKo | blood elves will be like the horde's night elf |
| 01:48.51 | iKo | it'll be overrun |
| 01:49.27 | iKo | Which is to be expected, but it still bothers me. |
| 01:49.55 | iKo | Just without doubt populated by some lovely people |
| 01:50.22 | [Zeal] | dunno, theres so much negativity surrounding the new races i'm not sure. |
| 01:50.24 | iKo | THen again, I haven't personally known wow to attract some of the best people I've met on the net |
| 01:50.57 | [Zeal] | i plan to roll a belf pala after release |
| 01:51.08 | iKo | I plan on making a warlock |
| 01:51.17 | iKo | :) |
| 01:51.46 | iKo | Blood elf, that is. |
| 01:52.00 | [Zeal] | theres the whole "let's make a no belves and palas guild" attitude going round with some guilds :/ |
| 01:52.39 | iKo | I don't see a problem with them perosnally, though their racials seem a bit over powered |
| 01:52.57 | [Zeal] | hehe |
| 01:53.06 | iKo | and their blood knights make a bit more sense than the draenei shamans, to me |
| 01:53.27 | [Zeal] | draenei probably need a bit mroe work really, racial and graphic wise |
| 01:53.38 | iKo | I like the visually, at least |
| 01:53.43 | iKo | from what I saw on stage6 |
| 01:54.19 | iKo | ..like them. |
| 01:54.49 | iKo | I'd roll a warrior were I to play one. |
| 01:54.51 | [Zeal] | my main gripe is shoulder armor placement. too far down the shoulder, shoulders like priest's make it obvious when the cloth bits that drop down cover the arm, isntead of falling betweenthe arm and chest. |
| 01:55.55 | iKo | At least they're a bit more inventive of a race in terms of looks, comapred to dwarves and gnomes |
| 01:55.59 | iKo | Which are just modified humans |
| 01:56.27 | [Zeal] | lol true |
| 01:56.40 | iKo | Kinda wish they were horde. |
| 01:56.48 | iKo | but that won't stop me from trying one. |
| 01:57.37 | iKo | Though the Draenei and Belfs both got a lot more attention when it came to females, it looks like |
| 01:58.18 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 01:58.52 | [Zeal] | well i love that they removed the obviously over sexual emotes for draenei females :p |
| 01:59.03 | [Zeal] | the gnome vibrator and sexodar ones, hehe. |
| 01:59.06 | iKo | Hm? |
| 01:59.12 | iKo | Gnome vibrator and sexodar? |
| 02:00.21 | [Zeal] | yuup. they had one that said "Do gnomes have a vibrate setting? I-I'm just curious" and the other "You've heard of the Exodar? Let me show you the Sexodar!" |
| 02:00.31 | iKo | Lol, flirting? |
| 02:00.48 | [Zeal] | ones a flirt, the other is a joke, forgot which |
| 02:01.08 | iKo | Was there a beta for the the BC? |
| 02:01.18 | [Zeal] | there still is :P |
| 02:01.27 | iKo | whaaaaaaat |
| 02:01.46 | iKo | How did I joined beta |
| 02:01.58 | [Zeal] | did or do? :P |
| 02:02.12 | iKo | well were it possible I would LOVE to try out the burning crusade |
| 02:02.35 | [Zeal] | some fansites still have beta key comptetions running i think |
| 02:02.43 | [Zeal] | i won mine from worldofwar.net |
| 02:02.43 | iKo | Jeez. |
| 02:02.52 | iKo | I could've tried it all along! |
| 02:02.57 | [Zeal] | yuup, lol |
| 02:03.02 | iKo | So you beta'd it? |
| 02:03.09 | iKo | or still are? |
| 02:03.14 | [Zeal] | i'm in beta, yes. |
| 02:03.27 | [Zeal] | though i haven't been playing much wow lately, beta or otherwise. |
| 02:03.27 | iKo | Jeez. |
| 02:03.42 | iKo | I wish I'd known about that. |
| 02:03.57 | iKo | 20 days from release |
| 02:04.36 | [Zeal] | we have to wait longer here >_< |
| 02:04.45 | [Zeal] | 19th i beleive |
| 02:05.06 | [Zeal] | i've had my CE version on pre-order for a while now though. |
| 02:05.23 | iKo | I would've adored trying out my own blood elf or draenei even if I knew it was going to be deleted |
| 02:05.59 | [Zeal] | aye, i've got a 23 belf pala and 20 draenei hunter :P |
| 02:06.56 | iKo | That's higher than what I've done |
| 02:06.59 | iKo | in wow |
| 02:06.59 | iKo | ever |
| 02:07.02 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 02:07.04 | iKo | Just for a beta. |
| 02:07.25 | [Zeal] | well i was going along, trying to soak up all the lore as i went |
| 02:08.00 | iKo | I can't beta even if I wanted to. |
| 02:08.07 | iKo | My account was active before October |
| 02:08.24 | iKo | Though I've had the thing since.. january 05 |
| 02:08.28 | iKo | I think |
| 02:08.52 | iKo | er, wasn't active |
| 02:09.39 | iKo | So you've actually had the them both in game, I've only seen through a video |
| 02:11.26 | [Zeal] | yeah, heh. |
| 02:11.33 | iKo | You prefer belf? |
| 02:12.15 | [Zeal] | depends greatly on what aspect of the races you're talking about :P |
| 02:12.37 | iKo | Then give me your thoughts on what aspects you would divide both the races into? |
| 02:13.09 | iKo | If you wouldn't mind comparing and contrasting |
| 02:13.40 | [Zeal] | er.. lore, quests, areas, appearance, racials |
| 02:14.13 | iKo | Ignore quests, I would like to know your thoughts on the rest? |
| 02:15.29 | [Zeal] | lore, atm, both have their ups and downs. quests, belf. areas, belf. appearance.. draenei, barely, both need improvement on animations and soem graphical issues. racials.. depends on class really, but goes to belf as draenei need some ui fixing. |
| 02:17.09 | iKo | Hmm |
| 02:21.17 | iKo | I wonder @ a wowwiki guild |
| 02:22.58 | [Zeal] | unlikely due the vast amount of realms users span :P |
| 02:23.42 | iKo | true |
| 02:23.45 | iKo | but even then |
| 02:23.48 | iKo | well |
| 02:23.51 | iKo | it'd be interesting |
| 02:24.03 | iKo | wiki vote on what should be the official Wowwiki server |
| 02:24.14 | iKo | but that'd be too much dedication |
| 02:24.15 | iKo | Just a thought |
| 02:24.22 | iKo | It'd be an interesting guild to see running around |
| 02:24.38 | *** join/#wowwiki Hobinheim (n=meatwad@c-69-142-120-32.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 02:24.52 | Hobinheim | paging an admin |
| 02:26.49 | [Zeal] | probably need an alarm clock to page them :P |
| 02:28.44 | Hobinheim | ehh just some policy busting, i'm good |
| 02:28.47 | iKo | Are most of the.. community |
| 02:28.51 | iKo | EU? |
| 02:28.52 | Hobinheim | what's up, bucket man |
| 02:29.16 | Hobinheim | i'm not sure, iko |
| 02:29.47 | iKo | Just wondering |
| 02:30.05 | iKo | maybe that can be answered later |
| 02:30.31 | [Zeal] | dunno the numbers, but there is certainly more people talking on eu time :P |
| 02:30.41 | ilk | what time is it? |
| 02:30.51 | ilk | If you are EUROPAN yourself |
| 02:30.52 | [Zeal] | 2:30am here in the uk. |
| 02:31.49 | Hobinheim | east coast jersey, baby 9:30 PM |
| 02:31.57 | Hobinheim | america, america, america! |
| 02:32.02 | ilk | ATM, new mexico, 730 |
| 02:32.15 | ilk | USUALLY, aka, 99.6 % of the year, CST in TN |
| 02:32.35 | ilk | which would be 830 |
| 02:32.38 | ilk | If the care arose |
| 02:37.31 | [Zeal] | i hate how, especially on sites, lists are always GMT +/-<hours> and then calculate DST seperately.. GMT = UTC+DST already :/ and list GMT is not fair for timezones that don't use DST. : / |
| 02:37.31 | Hobinheim | infobot, dance |
| 02:37.43 | infobot | ACTION <("<) <('_')> (>")> Dance Kirby Dance! |
| 02:37.43 | Hobinheim | dammit infobot |
| 02:37.46 | Hobinheim | infobot, drink |
| 02:37.57 | [Zeal] | *listing GMT |
| 02:38.10 | [Zeal] | infobot, lag |
| 02:38.12 | infobot | i heard lag is very bad here :( |
| 02:38.13 | ilk | lol |
| 02:38.16 | [Zeal] | :p |
| 02:38.16 | ilk | #wow fails |
| 02:38.24 | ilk | #wowwiki has more than #wow |
| 02:38.52 | Hobinheim | what is wow? |
| 02:39.07 | Hobinheim | infobot, dictionary |
| 02:39.08 | infobot | English-Russian and Russian-English dictionary. URL: http://lucifer.dorms.spbu.ru/projects.html#dictionary |
| 02:39.15 | Hobinheim | where can i find a dictionary of infobot's commands |
| 02:39.18 | Hobinheim | infobot, naked |
| 02:39.20 | infobot | Lets play hide and go seek |
| 02:39.23 | [Zeal] | why is this chan on this irc network? surprised it's not on quakenet or even wowirc |
| 02:39.54 | [Zeal] | infobot, help |
| 02:39.56 | Hobinheim | i don't know anything about irc |
| 02:41.08 | [Zeal] | Hobinheim, just do "infobot, help" pm's you his instructions and stuff. |
| 02:41.40 | [Zeal] | hm.. lets test this.. |
| 02:41.43 | [Zeal] | wow is shit |
| 02:42.04 | [Zeal] | infobot, what is wow? |
| 02:42.07 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, [Zeal] |
| 02:42.14 | [Zeal] | fail : / |
| 02:42.21 | [Zeal] | infobot, wow |
| 02:42.23 | infobot | hmm... wow is the best game ever! |
| 02:42.27 | [Zeal] | bah |
| 02:42.36 | ilk | infobot, sleep |
| 02:42.37 | infobot | it has been said that sleep is overrated, and a poor substitute for caffeine. |
| 02:42.37 | ilk | :( |
| 02:42.41 | Hobinheim | infobot, help |
| 02:42.45 | ilk | infobot, die |
| 02:42.46 | infobot | ACTION takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless. |
| 02:42.58 | ilk | infobot, live |
| 02:42.59 | infobot | ACTION rises from the dead and starts eating people. |
| 02:43.00 | [Zeal] | think onyl the owners can do sleep |
| 02:43.01 | Hobinheim | no infobot, no!!! |
| 02:43.10 | ilk | infobot, cry |
| 02:43.11 | infobot | ACTION cries and sobs until he nearly drowns in his own tears |
| 02:43.19 | ilk | infobot, kill Hobinheim |
| 02:43.20 | infobot | ACTION shoots a super-inverse pseudomeson gun at Hobinheim |
| 02:43.30 | Hobinheim | who owns infobot? |
| 02:43.32 | ilk | infobot, kill yourself |
| 02:43.33 | infobot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged anti-photon gun at yourself |
| 02:43.33 | Hobinheim | infobot, owner |
| 02:43.34 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 02:43.42 | Hobinheim | curses!!! |
| 02:43.46 | ilk | infobot, eat Hobinheim |
| 02:43.47 | infobot | ACTION eats Hobinheim and falls over dead |
| 02:43.52 | ilk | infobot, off |
| 02:43.53 | infobot | somebody said off was the opposite of on |
| 02:44.02 | ilk | infobot, sex |
| 02:44.03 | infobot | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep, or super extractor, http://sf.net/projects/sex/ |
| 02:44.10 | Hobinheim | ... |
| 02:44.11 | ilk | LMFAO |
| 02:44.20 | Hobinheim | infobot, unzip |
| 02:44.21 | infobot | Unpacks .zip files such as those made by pkzip under DOS. URL: http://www.cdrom.com/pub/infozip/, or an zip decompression utility that guys like asterboy need cause they run lfs and don't have it by default, so go here to get it http://easynews.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/infozip/unzip552.tar.gz |
| 02:44.21 | ilk | infobot, finger |
| 02:44.24 | infobot | i heard finger is a insecure service that lets people find valid accounts to crack. SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, remove it immediatly |
| 02:44.25 | Hobinheim | LOL |
| 02:44.26 | Hobinheim | LOL |
| 02:44.46 | ilk | infobot, apt-get remove --purge condom |
| 02:45.02 | ilk | infobot, install condom |
| 02:45.10 | ilk | infobot, apt-get install condom |
| 02:45.26 | ilk | infobot fsck |
| 02:45.27 | infobot | No devices specified to be checked! |
| 02:45.41 | ilk | blah |
| 03:07.30 | ilk | I'll definitely be back |
| 03:07.31 | ilk | out |
| 03:19.12 | [Zeal] | so far i've done an item, server and battlegroup in the new format i'm porposing :) |
| 03:20.08 | [Zeal] | hm.. next up, an npc i think |
| 03:36.16 | Hobinheim | paging tekkub |
| 03:39.06 | Tekkub | meh? |
| 03:39.38 | *** join/#wowwiki Adys (n=Miranda@APoitiers-256-1-32-226.w90-16.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 03:40.42 | Hobinheim | can an add-on switch inventory w/o a hardware event |
| 03:40.52 | Hobinheim | like... in the middle of combat? |
| 03:40.59 | Adys | switch inventory? |
| 03:41.05 | Hobinheim | swap items |
| 03:41.23 | Adys | Not without player reaction, I think |
| 03:41.26 | Hobinheim | i'm trying to find add-ons that do this now in wow 2.0 so i can just copy the code |
| 03:46.12 | Tekkub | you can move items yes just not use them |
| 03:46.21 | Tekkub | but you can only equip weapons in combat |
| 03:47.08 | Hobinheim | so trinkets can't be swapped? |
| 03:47.22 | Hobinheim | i'm not even talking about trinkets now i'm just curious |
| 03:47.32 | Hobinheim | what i'm really after is managing the ranged slot, which i guess is a weapon |
| 03:48.09 | Tekkub | no, trinkets are armor, armor can't be swapped in combat |
| 03:48.26 | Hobinheim | oo you're right |
| 03:48.29 | Hobinheim | i'm trying right now |
| 03:48.32 | Hobinheim | but i can switch my wands |
| 03:48.50 | Tekkub | it's been that way for a long time |
| 03:50.21 | Hobinheim | did you hear what i wanted from before? |
| 03:50.31 | Hobinheim | to queue up different warlock stones automatically based on cooldown? |
| 03:50.41 | Hobinheim | spellstone else firestone; fail wand |
| 03:50.56 | Hobinheim | how feasible is that now that warlock stones are considered ranged/wands? |
| 03:51.00 | Hobinheim | "relics" actually |
| 03:53.20 | Hobinheim | ugh i wish i had the answer somewhere |
| 03:53.23 | Hobinheim | i'm too lazy to code up a test |
| 03:55.53 | Tekkub | :P |
| 03:59.30 | [Zeal] | oh, you returned Adys :P |
| 04:00.52 | [Zeal] | Adys, http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Item:Axe_of_Brox ;) |
| 04:02.28 | Adys | omg |
| 04:03.22 | Adys | that's just sick |
| 04:03.41 | Adys | and waaay too heavy :P |
| 04:04.25 | Adys | I like the princip |
| 04:05.58 | [Zeal] | too heavy? |
| 04:06.09 | Adys | Yeah it's not really readable |
| 04:06.36 | [Zeal] | is to me. |
| 04:06.54 | Adys | When I search for an item on the wiki I'm looking for a specific kind of informations |
| 04:07.04 | [Zeal] | which would be? |
| 04:07.08 | Adys | If I was looking for accurate stats etc i'd search on allakhazam |
| 04:07.24 | Adys | but I'm looking for lore behind it, various infos and real drops |
| 04:07.59 | Adys | What you're taking up is about a whole page on 1024x768 and half a page on 1280x1024 to describe the stats |
| 04:08.50 | [Zeal] | well i'm fine with stats going, but apparently many don't agree with you. i'd put it up to vote tbh. |
| 04:09.35 | Adys | Very honestly, I like the tooltip we have right now, I don't like the way its handled but graphically it's perfect imo |
| 04:09.39 | Hobinheim | hey anyone know what ... does in lua? |
| 04:09.48 | Adys | you mean .. hob? |
| 04:10.08 | [Zeal] | it's it like glue for strings |
| 04:10.13 | [Zeal] | combining them |
| 04:10.14 | [Zeal] | :s |
| 04:10.26 | Hobinheim | no, three |
| 04:10.29 | Tekkub | ... are args |
| 04:10.39 | Hobinheim | in real code though? not documentation? |
| 04:10.44 | Hobinheim | frame:SetScript("OnEvent", function(self, event, ...) omaTrinketryOnEvent(event, ...); end); |
| 04:10.57 | Hobinheim | is it just passing on the set of args from one function to another? |
| 04:10.57 | Tekkub | yes, added in 5.1 because the old args sucked |
| 04:11.04 | [Zeal] | :S |
| 04:11.12 | Hobinheim | like shell(...) actual(...) ? |
| 04:11.26 | Hobinheim | or shell(wasted, ...) actual(...) where actual gets the same call as shell, minus wasted? |
| 04:11.39 | Tekkub | yes, if you passed (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6) the func would receive (2, 3, 4, 5, 6) |
| 04:11.56 | Hobinheim | sick |
| 04:12.02 | Hobinheim | so just a really quick alias to all the args... |
| 04:12.14 | Tekkub | before you had to do actual(unpack(args)) which made a table and wasted memory |
| 04:12.15 | Hobinheim | even though this author is just throwing them away (func actual(onething) {} ) |
| 04:12.23 | Hobinheim | right right... |
| 04:12.29 | Hobinheim | koo |
| 04:12.31 | Hobinheim | brb/ttyl |
| 04:12.31 | Hobinheim | thx |
| 04:12.37 | Adys | see ya |
| 04:13.04 | [Zeal] | but yeah, i'm generally in agreement with you adys. but if stats stay, i'm completely against the tooltip. it's not easiyl udnerstandable by non-wow players, and it doesn't allow for obvious linking of wow terms used in the stats. it either goes, or it gets wikified imo. |
| 04:13.19 | Tekkub | Adys, I'm working on a template to make tooltips and quest pages and such from WDB-parsed data |
| 04:13.36 | [Zeal] | ^ and that i don't see the point in : / |
| 04:13.47 | Adys | What would non wow players do in wowwiki, particularly in item pages?:p |
| 04:13.48 | Tekkub | I vote that tooltips should look exactly how they do in game :P |
| 04:13.58 | Tekkub | wikified shit can go in the item page |
| 04:14.08 | Tekkub | and all the details like price |
| 04:14.12 | [Zeal] | i vote, very strongly, against that tekkub. this is a wiki, not a game. |
| 04:14.24 | Adys | ^^ |
| 04:14.24 | Tekkub | it is a wiki... for a game... |
| 04:14.27 | Adys | No need to fight :P |
| 04:14.50 | Adys | We want something that is easy to read |
| 04:14.53 | [Zeal] | and as yourself adys, they would be looking for information about the item. by using tooltips, you're preventing thme from learning, which is the purpose of the wiki. |
| 04:15.03 | Tekkub | the thing people want when they look up info on an item are 1) the item's stats in an easy to read format and 2) extra info not provided in game |
| 04:15.11 | Tekkub | the tooltip everyone enderstands |
| 04:15.14 | Hobinheim | i second tekkub's movement |
| 04:15.21 | Adys | Aye |
| 04:15.23 | [Zeal] | the tooltip only wow players understand ;) |
| 04:15.29 | Adys | Yes, and? :P |
| 04:15.31 | Hobinheim | uh... |
| 04:15.35 | Tekkub | yes but... be honest |
| 04:15.46 | Hobinheim | an in-universe wiki largely about a game that caters to... game players? |
| 04:15.54 | Tekkub | non wow plears are going to understand what +25 agility means? |
| 04:15.55 | [Zeal] | i am being honest, it's completely in conflict of what a wiki is for. |
| 04:16.06 | Tekkub | it's useless data to the non-wower |
| 04:16.13 | Hobinheim | and if we consider the fractional percentage of people willing to go out of their way to look it up on the internet... are more likely to be competent players... |
| 04:16.17 | Adys | What tekkub said |
| 04:16.18 | [Zeal] | yes, if agility is linked to an article about what agility is. |
| 04:16.32 | Tekkub | why would a non wower be even looking at an item page and seeing something they understand? |
| 04:16.52 | [Zeal] | thne they learn. |
| 04:16.52 | Tekkub | *need to understand |
| 04:16.52 | Adys | there is data for non wow players in the wiki |
| 04:16.52 | Adys | plenty of it |
| 04:16.54 | Adys | but they have nothing to do in item pages if they dont know what an item is |
| 04:17.01 | Tekkub | yea Adys, but we're talking item pages here... |
| 04:17.04 | [Zeal] | but you're excluding people from learning information the wiki is supposed to be providing. |
| 04:17.22 | Tekkub | there's a few items like Sword of a thousand truths that warrent extra info |
| 04:17.26 | [Zeal] | it's essentially elitist. |
| 04:17.27 | Tekkub | and a nice detailed page |
| 04:17.35 | Tekkub | but what about [Large Bear Bone] |
| 04:17.36 | Hobinheim | my addon is so ghetto. on event, echo event |
| 04:17.39 | [Zeal] | many items warrent alot of info. |
| 04:17.45 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Attributes ? |
| 04:17.54 | Tekkub | it's not elitist.... |
| 04:17.56 | Adys | Categories: Gameplay | Newbies |
| 04:18.01 | Tekkub | go up to someone at work |
| 04:18.14 | Tekkub | throw a Tier 4 item in front of em... |
| 04:18.27 | Tekkub | I but they go "yea.. so?" |
| 04:18.36 | Tekkub | "what's this crap" :) |
| 04:18.43 | [Zeal] | yeah nad i'll get a question soemthing like "whatdoes agility do? does it make you run faster?" |
| 04:19.10 | Tekkub | and you point at the page that was just pointed out |
| 04:19.16 | [Zeal] | "what's this crap" exactly my point :P |
| 04:19.32 | Tekkub | Yes, we're a wiki.. no, we are not wikipedia |
| 04:19.41 | [Zeal] | yes you're not providing the links to answer those questions when you use a tooltip. |
| 04:19.42 | Tekkub | we have a very specific audience here |
| 04:19.58 | Adys | What tekkub said, again |
| 04:20.20 | Hobinheim | yeah we're catering to an already-elite audience |
| 04:20.22 | Tekkub | we don't have to make the wiki super easy for every person that might stumble into it |
| 04:20.26 | Hobinheim | it's not good to babysit everyone all the time |
| 04:20.31 | [Zeal] | and as kirkburn has said before, its a warcraft wiki with a wow focus. |
| 04:20.38 | Tekkub | new players come to the wiki for info, yes |
| 04:20.39 | [Zeal] | not a wow wiki. |
| 04:20.50 | Tekkub | and they should find it easily... |
| 04:20.51 | Hobinheim | i see what you're saying |
| 04:21.13 | Hobinheim | i've always thought of it as a wow wiki with warcraft as a secondary concern |
| 04:21.18 | Hobinheim | i mean, that's the state we're in now |
| 04:21.29 | Tekkub | but tooltips are little infoboxes, they don't need links all over the place for every new player that doesn't know what a stat does... |
| 04:21.31 | Adys | yeah more like that tbh |
| 04:22.02 | Tekkub | tooltips/infoboxes should be a nice summary of the pertinant info on the item/page |
| 04:22.12 | Adys | Ok Zeal another example |
| 04:22.16 | Adys | look up that page: |
| 04:22.17 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Template:Questbox |
| 04:22.24 | Hobinheim | yay! |
| 04:22.27 | [Zeal] | well i disagree, very much so. being elitist is never a good thing, and if a wiki isn't going to help people of all levels learn, then i don't see the point in it. |
| 04:22.39 | Adys | Someone who sees the quest C'Thun's Legacy |
| 04:22.48 | Adys | What does he do if he doesnt know what Reputation is? |
| 04:22.51 | Hobinheim | i disagree. being... "elitist" is catering to a targeted audience |
| 04:23.02 | Hobinheim | you reach more people by not aiming for the lowest |
| 04:23.16 | Tekkub | does the quest box need links to "what is experionce"? |
| 04:23.55 | [Zeal] | he would have to manually search adys. what i'm saying is he should be able to jsut click reputation and learn what it is, then he can coem back and understand what that value means to him. |
| 04:23.57 | Tekkub | okey, here's my view, and I don't think it's elitist..... |
| 04:24.09 | Tekkub | wiki users are being given a flood of data |
| 04:24.18 | Tekkub | they come to the wiki for this mass amount of data |
| 04:24.29 | Tekkub | they need to be able to find their own answers |
| 04:24.42 | Tekkub | they don't need their hand held through the whole site |
| 04:24.58 | Tekkub | pages should be obvious and easy to find if you need |
| 04:25.01 | [Zeal] | hobinheim, thing is, in this case, reaching for only a few levels of experience is only laziness and bad planning, you don't loose anything by doing it except users and reputation. |
| 04:25.10 | Tekkub | but they don't need to be shoved in their face everywhere they go |
| 04:25.27 | Tekkub | if you make a reference to [[Thrall]], the first one should be a link |
| 04:25.40 | Tekkub | every other time in that page you refer to him, you don't need to relink it |
| 04:25.51 | [Zeal] | shoved in the face? you don't think thats what a tooltip does? "here take this, i don't care if you know what it is or does, just take it" |
| 04:26.04 | Adys | it helps having a clear page |
| 04:26.17 | Tekkub | I think if every single tooltip linked every single line in it, yes, that's shoving too much info at the user |
| 04:26.21 | [Zeal] | Tekkub, thats just sensiable and already in the policies :P |
| 04:26.30 | [Zeal] | onyl linking the first instance of a term. |
| 04:26.35 | Hobinheim | zomg i can't take this discussion... |
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| 04:26.53 | Tekkub | the basic underlying game mechanics don't need to be linked from every damn item page :P |
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| 04:27.03 | [Zeal] | yes, they do. |
| 04:27.12 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o infobot] by ChanServ |
| 04:27.22 | [Zeal] | and not evne atthe expense of time considering it would be doen via a template. |
| 04:27.25 | Tekkub | there's a front page with big links for a reason |
| 04:27.39 | [Zeal] | yeah, that lead off to no where. |
| 04:28.12 | [Zeal] | can't rely on contributers to create a logical heirarchy of pages in the wiki, that's already clear, and fails even on wikipedia. |
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| 04:29.19 | Adys | Weeeell |
| 04:29.28 | [Zeal] | anyways, as adys said, if he wants stats, he goes to other websites, not the wiki. |
| 04:29.49 | Adys | Yes zeal thats why I want stats in a small table.. |
| 04:29.55 | Adys | not taking up half a page |
| 04:30.00 | Tekkub | so what you're saying is that trying to provide data that's available on other sites is a big waste of time? |
| 04:30.10 | Tekkub | thanks, that makes me feel great |
| 04:30.55 | [Zeal] | no, i'm saying trying to display in the same method as the game (and other sites), not wikifying it for users, is a waste of time. |
| 04:31.04 | Adys | What I meant is we want anyways a page thats easy to read with informations where you expect them to be |
| 04:31.51 | [Zeal] | yeah, imo my page managed that. |
| 04:32.21 | Adys | What an item page should look like .. |
| 04:32.52 | Adys | Is taking up maximum a page and half on a 1024 comp (most used reso) |
| 04:33.06 | Adys | Look up that page |
| 04:33.20 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Drakefire_Amulet |
| 04:33.53 | Adys | its totally unreadable |
| 04:34.04 | Adys | The item page should be separated from all the tips to do the quest etc etc |
| 04:34.06 | [Zeal] | hell even if you removed the stats, as i listed, easier jsut to use an image of the tooltip than parsing databases to get information and prensenting it with the same effectiveness as an image. |
| 04:34.17 | Adys | No |
| 04:34.24 | Adys | because you cant really update it |
| 04:34.33 | [Zeal] | the hell you can't |
| 04:34.40 | [Zeal] | two second job to update it. |
| 04:34.46 | Adys | If a stat is changed you need to go back in game and screen it again |
| 04:34.51 | Adys | and upload it again |
| 04:34.56 | Adys | and thats assuming you got the item |
| 04:35.35 | [Zeal] | and if a stat changes in a database, you have to upload the data/uploade the database file and parse it again just to produce results for a few items, and yet display it with the same effectiveness as an image. |
| 04:36.33 | Adys | {{tooltip|Agi=15|Spi=10|Int=5|Lvl=60|ilvl=65|txt=The Blood of Drakkisath Flows Within...}} |
| 04:36.36 | Adys | easy to update |
| 04:37.03 | [Zeal] | go to image page>upload>done. |
| 04:37.28 | Adys | Uploading log? |
| 04:37.38 | [Zeal] | hm? |
| 04:37.47 | Adys | Which page:p |
| 04:37.50 | Tekkub | WDB data can be parsed and mass updates applied a million times easier than getting new clean screenshots |
| 04:38.06 | [Zeal] | all images are linked, so that's simple. |
| 04:38.18 | Tekkub | if users can zip and submit their WDB folder easy they will |
| 04:38.34 | Adys | Ok zeal the point is.. |
| 04:38.39 | Tekkub | a lot more would do that to contribute than sit around making screen shots of every item they've seen... |
| 04:38.48 | Adys | What we're trying to do rigth now is make a very solid item database on the wiki |
| 04:39.03 | [Zeal] | thats not true Tekkub. larger database, takes longer. and the point was displaying as a tooltip has next to no advantage over displaying as an image. |
| 04:39.38 | Adys | To make it solid we need to provide at least what Thottbot/Allakhazam is providing, in more accurate, without errors, editable and with more infos |
| 04:39.44 | Tekkub | zeal... I'm in my itemcache.wdb right now... |
| 04:39.51 | Tekkub | there's 3661 items in here |
| 04:40.02 | Tekkub | do YOU want to get those screenies for me? |
| 04:40.23 | Tekkub | leave a bot running overnigtht and all that data could be on the wiki |
| 04:40.30 | [Zeal] | if you want to make an item database from parsing the WDBs fine, but do not display is as a tooltip is what i'm saying. |
| 04:40.39 | Tekkub | .... ask people to submit screenies and see how long it takes to get that |
| 04:40.45 | Adys | .. why not? |
| 04:41.00 | [Zeal] | argh.. already exaplined why not 3 times. |
| 04:41.10 | Adys | it doesnt make sense |
| 04:41.45 | Adys | you dont need to precise "This item has a chance on every hit with a proc that has been estimated to 5% to send a shadow bolt doing 50-75 dmgs" |
| 04:41.50 | Adys | Chance on Hit: Sends .. |
| 04:42.17 | [Zeal] | who in the what? |
| 04:42.42 | Adys | On your page, you're describing every single information about the statistics |
| 04:42.46 | Adys | We dont need that |
| 04:43.00 | Adys | In the worst case, its colspan=2 | +15 [[Agility]] |
| 04:43.09 | Adys | (which Im still against tbh) |
| 04:43.19 | [Zeal] | you do it in a table, you could simplfy my list even. but not a tooltip. |
| 04:43.31 | Adys | And why not >< |
| 04:43.32 | [Zeal] | *could do |
| 04:43.54 | Tekkub | the tooltip is a table! |
| 04:43.54 | Tekkub | GAH! |
| 04:44.05 | [Zeal] | the existing tooltip is a misused of a table, it's not a table. |
| 04:44.26 | [Zeal] | the existing tooltip tempalte should be using a div. |
| 04:45.17 | Adys | Nevermind zeal :) |
| 04:45.26 | [Zeal] | terms need to be linked, otherwise, in terms of display, it's as effective as an image. |
| 04:45.39 | Adys | Yes but easier to update |
| 04:45.55 | Adys | We don't want more than what an image provides |
| 04:46.04 | Adys | Except that we want to be able to easily update it |
| 04:46.07 | [Zeal] | for a wiki, you should. |
| 04:46.30 | Adys | and trust us on that, text is more easily updated than a screenshot |
| 04:47.03 | [Zeal] | not easier, quicker and more likely. |
| 04:47.17 | Adys | Yes, easier |
| 04:47.23 | [Zeal] | no :p |
| 04:47.54 | Tekkub | quick == easy |
| 04:48.04 | Adys | In short yes :P |
| 04:48.10 | [Zeal] | anyways, even if you maintain on using tooltips, i will get round to chaning it to a div. |
| 04:48.30 | [Zeal] | quick != easy ;) short matters, lol. |
| 04:49.28 | [Zeal] | well once i get done with this npc, i shall do a nice item table and replace that list. |
| 04:50.43 | [Zeal] | fairly sure it will end up crap though due to multiples of certain stats. |
| 04:52.06 | Adys | Im off for breakfast, its almost 6am here |
| 04:52.17 | Adys | ttyl |
| 04:54.45 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 04:54.47 | [Zeal] | ttyl |
| 05:08.28 | [Zeal] | or BW and AW i guess |
| 05:11.53 | Adys|AFK | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#How_is_Illidan_alive.3F_He_was_killed_by_Arthas lol |
| 05:11.54 | [Zeal] | considering it's bare accuratly Before (First) War(craft), Anno (First) War(craft) |
| 05:12.17 | [Zeal] | *more accuratly. - bare wtf? :S |
| 05:12.58 | Adys|AFK | Anyways, afk again |
| 05:13.04 | [Zeal] | lol ragestorm jumped on it quick |
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| 05:13.42 | Hobinheim | is it safe |
| 05:23.29 | [Zeal] | lol Hobinheim, it died off :P |
| 05:38.45 | Hobinheim | paging programmers |
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| 06:26.48 | [Zeal] | do we have large race icons? :S (not the large ones listed, as they are medium, if not small themselves) |
| 06:27.06 | Adys | Large as in 64x64? |
| 06:27.58 | [Zeal] | aye |
| 06:28.11 | Adys | mm dont think we have that on the wiki, but can find them yeah |
| 06:28.17 | [Zeal] | kk |
| 06:28.29 | [Zeal] | for now i'll jsut use a head icon :P |
| 06:28.44 | Adys | Temp.png ftw |
| 06:29.37 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 06:29.56 | [Zeal] | gunna be using that for <no icon specified> :P |
| 06:30.09 | [Zeal] | for NPCs that is |
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| 06:32.35 | [Zeal] | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/NPC:Broxigar |
| 06:32.54 | Apollozeus | :x |
| 06:32.59 | Adys | erm |
| 06:33.00 | Apollozeus | that's too cluttered |
| 06:33.05 | Apollozeus | more templates than necessary IMO |
| 06:33.15 | Adys | I'm not gonna say anything =P |
| 06:33.29 | [Zeal] | not mroe than needed |
| 06:33.33 | [Zeal] | and please, do :P |
| 06:33.39 | Adys | No I wont :P |
| 06:33.41 | Apollozeus | yes, noone is going to be bothered to use that template |
| 06:33.48 | Apollozeus | :/ too much workl |
| 06:33.50 | Apollozeus | work* |
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| 06:33.59 | [Zeal] | there is next to no work.. |
| 06:34.17 | [Zeal] | its cut&paste job and the templates cut down on a huge amount of code. |
| 06:35.21 | Apollozeus | but still, too many tables |
| 06:35.24 | Apollozeus | they are not needed |
| 06:35.26 | [Zeal] | rofl |
| 06:35.30 | Apollozeus | ...and they stretch the page |
| 06:35.33 | [Zeal] | the isn't a single table on that page ;) |
| 06:35.37 | [Zeal] | *there |
| 06:35.45 | Apollozeus | whatever those boxes are then |
| 06:35.46 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 06:35.56 | [Zeal] | and the template is deisgned to do that at lower resolutions. blame the wiki's lack of a min-width. |
| 06:36.24 | [Zeal] | beleive i've been setting it to 70em or 60em. |
| 06:36.28 | Adys | Found the race files |
| 06:41.32 | Adys | http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/1815/uicharactercreateraces2vf8.png |
| 06:41.32 | [Zeal] | nice :) |
| 06:41.32 | Apollozeus | rofl @ female blood elf |
| 06:41.32 | Adys | Its the one from BC alpha btw, dont pay attention to the blood elf one =P |
| 06:41.32 | [Zeal] | yeah.. wtf |
| 06:41.32 | Adys | wasnt done yet lol |
| 06:41.32 | Adys | blizzard official files :) |
| 06:41.32 | Apollozeus | lol, where are humans |
| 06:41.32 | Apollozeus | and draenei |
| 06:41.32 | Adys | it was a test file from blizz i guess |
| 06:41.32 | Apollozeus | I see |
| 06:41.33 | Adys | gonna find you the official one, gimme a few mins |
| 06:41.33 | Apollozeus | blizzard has got some sense of humor though |
| 06:41.33 | Apollozeus | the blood elf female one... hilarious XD |
| 06:41.33 | Adys | Speak of sense of humor |
| 06:41.33 | Tekkub | BE's are so fucking gay, I hate them |
| 06:41.33 | Apollozeus | no, they're "feminine" according to blizz |
| 06:41.33 | Apollozeus | ;) |
| 06:43.44 | Tekkub | yea blizz won't say it.. .but I will |
| 06:43.46 | Tekkub | FUH |
| 06:43.49 | Tekkub | LAME |
| 06:43.50 | Tekkub | ING! |
| 06:44.07 | Tekkub | ... girlfriend |
| 06:44.07 | [Zeal] | anyways, if there opposition to the page's styling it's always changable. it's mroe the structure i'm proposing. |
| 06:44.12 | [Zeal] | *there's |
| 06:53.22 | Adys | Here you go Zeal |
| 06:53.24 | Adys | http://adys.stools.net/UI-CharacterCreate-Races.png |
| 06:53.36 | Adys | Should do the trick |
| 06:54.10 | [Zeal] | you're implying i should cut thme up and upload? :P |
| 06:54.17 | Adys | Yepp |
| 06:54.20 | Adys | Enjoy =P |
| 06:54.41 | [Zeal] | considering you merged thme into one, wouldn't it be easier for you to do so rather than me having to split them up again? ;) |
| 06:54.41 | Adys | Im not risking myself into the icon sh!t anymore :P |
| 06:54.48 | Adys | I didn't merge them |
| 06:54.54 | [Zeal] | oh? |
| 06:55.03 | Adys | blizzard splits blps into parts |
| 06:55.24 | [Zeal] | i see, they're used as textures instead of icons.. |
| 06:55.29 | [Zeal] | bah |
| 06:55.29 | Adys | thats also why you can see only one plain blp file for a bigger model |
| 06:55.31 | Adys | Yeah |
| 06:55.59 | [Zeal] | bah, wasn planning on going to bed shortly :P |
| 06:56.05 | [Zeal] | have to do it tomorrow. |
| 06:56.06 | Adys | hehe |
| 06:56.08 | [Zeal] | but ty |
| 06:56.12 | Adys | np |
| 06:56.26 | Adys | 8am now here \o§ |
| 06:56.31 | Adys | \o/ even, bah |
| 06:56.51 | [Zeal] | almost 7am, heh. |
| 06:57.14 | Apollozeus | 8 am |
| 06:57.19 | Apollozeus | where are you located? |
| 06:57.23 | [Zeal] | uk |
| 06:57.30 | Adys | france here |
| 06:57.33 | Apollozeus | ah |
| 06:57.37 | Apollozeus | <-- netherlands |
| 06:57.37 | Adys | Apollo =P |
| 06:57.43 | Adys | if the icon doesnt exist in png, use the jpg |
| 06:57.45 | Adys | easier |
| 06:57.46 | Apollozeus | just finished doing my paper round D: |
| 06:57.50 | Apollozeus | jpgs are fugly |
| 06:57.55 | [Zeal] | hehe |
| 06:57.57 | Adys | yeah but Im converting em :) |
| 06:58.12 | Adys | So gotta go through them one by one etc |
| 06:58.17 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Sword_39.jpg |
| 06:58.43 | [Zeal] | tbh, artwork, screenshots etc. those should be jpegs. all icons need to be pngs. |
| 06:58.58 | Adys | yes its what we're doing atm |
| 06:59.05 | [Zeal] | gd gd :p |
| 06:59.10 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys#Icons |
| 07:00.25 | Apollozeus | what is going to happen to the {{BC}} template after january 16? |
| 07:00.29 | Apollozeus | are we removing it? |
| 07:01.49 | [Zeal] | yes, but becaise of the template namespace, all pages will jsut change to {{bc}} automatically ;) |
| 07:01.53 | [Zeal] | *because |
| 07:02.06 | [Zeal] | i think.. |
| 07:02.22 | [Zeal] | actually i don't think |
| 07:02.23 | [Zeal] | bah |
| 07:02.39 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=User:SuperShammy&oldid=367052 |
| 07:02.41 | Adys | sigh |
| 07:03.15 | [Zeal] | lol? |
| 07:03.55 | [Zeal] | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:INV_Mace_20.png odd border :S |
| 07:04.07 | Adys | Yes |
| 07:04.11 | Adys | blizzard isnt regular with their borders |
| 07:08.26 | Adys | Thottbot \o/ |
| 07:08.26 | Adys | http://www.thottbot.com/?i=38118 |
| 07:08.32 | Adys | Equip: Improves your chance to get a critical strike by 1%. |
| 07:08.44 | Adys | Spell 7597 : Increased Critical 14 |
| 07:08.44 | Adys | Increases your critical strike rating by 14. |
| 07:08.44 | Adys | Use: Set |
| 07:10.39 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Thunderfury%2C_Blessed_Blade_of_the_Windseeker |
| 07:10.39 | Adys | omfg |
| 07:11.39 | [Zeal] | ? |
| 07:11.49 | Adys | Its messed up >< |
| 07:11.55 | Adys | gos |
| 07:11.57 | Adys | gosh |
| 07:15.12 | [Zeal] | do script events work on the wiki? eg. onMouseOver="some script" ? i'm guessing they don't : / |
| 07:15.25 | Adys | Nah |
| 07:23.21 | [Zeal] | well think i've gunna call it a night. |
| 07:23.23 | [Zeal] | nn all |
| 07:23.27 | Adys | gn |
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| 12:36.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn you here? |
| 12:36.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | or anyone else |
| 12:36.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | ? |
| 12:36.46 | Kirkburn | yup |
| 12:37.02 | Adys | aye |
| 12:37.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | Fandyllic said to make a voting change to the policy |
| 12:37.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | which is what I want to do, but it's my first time, and I can't get through the article about it ^^ |
| 12:37.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | so a little assistance would be cool ^^ |
| 12:38.34 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WW:VOTE |
| 12:38.51 | Adys | thats what you're searching? |
| 12:39.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | hey, that's another page XD |
| 12:39.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | gonna read that one |
| 12:40.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | Gah >.> that wasn't much help XD |
| 12:40.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | For Policy votes see: http://www.wowwiki.com/Policy_votes >.> which happens to be the page that I read... |
| 12:45.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | K... Let's take it step by step |
| 12:47.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | For making a change to http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Guild_pages Should I do it in the Talk part, or Shall I make a seperate page for it? something like: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Change_to_Guild_page_Naming |
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| 12:51.53 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Policy_votes |
| 12:52.07 | Kirkburn | That should explain it |
| 12:52.36 | Kirkburn | I'd say do it on the talk part of http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Guild_pages |
| 12:54.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | but that's already overflowed with stuff... |
| 12:55.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | just add it down there somewhere? |
| 12:55.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | or on top? |
| 13:02.02 | Kirkburn | Bottom |
| 13:02.08 | Kirkburn | As if you were making a new discussion |
| 13:02.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | k |
| 13:03.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | who actually create the word dismbiguation? >< |
| 13:03.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | disambiguation* >< |
| 13:03.51 | Tekkub | the same guy that coin instanciation |
| 13:04.04 | Tekkub | I'd just have called it a clearification page |
| 13:04.44 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 13:05.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 13:12.34 | Apollozeus | that's quite unlike a beautification |
| 13:12.48 | Apollozeus | sod it, I'm taking a vacation |
| 13:12.49 | Apollozeus | <_< |
| 13:12.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 13:13.17 | Apollozeus | cause vacation is THE time for relaxation |
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| 13:34.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | Egg bacons and Spam: |
| 13:34.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Guild_pages#Change_to_the_Policy:_Naming |
| 13:34.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 13:35.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | the faster it is approved the better |
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| 14:07.44 | Kirkburn | Haha, Alamo returns! http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=59308423&sid=1 |
| 14:08.02 | Adys | haha awesome |
| 14:08.14 | Kirkburn | http://dmnkn1ght.googlepages.com/nodurids.jpg :D |
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| 14:35.26 | Kirkburn|afk | bbl |
| 15:07.20 | Patrigan | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Policy/Writing/Guild_pages#Change_to_the_Policy:_Naming ... (also selling Eggs, bacon and spamm) |
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| 15:52.27 | Patrigan | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Policy/Writing/Player_character_pages |
| 15:52.34 | Patrigan | seems like we don't follow that rule anymore... |
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| 16:10.37 | Kirkburn | Hey, who gave infobot op status!? |
| 16:10.44 | Kirkburn | Patrigan, made a comment on the vote |
| 16:11.31 | Hobinheim | infobot, destroy |
| 16:15.38 | Patrigan | XD |
| 16:19.11 | Kirkburn | Scary :P |
| 16:22.26 | Patrigan | infobot Sit! |
| 16:22.32 | infobot | ACTION sits |
| 16:22.33 | Patrigan | good boy |
| 16:22.38 | Patrigan | oO |
| 16:22.43 | Patrigan | k... |
| 16:22.47 | Patrigan | that was scary >.> |
| 16:23.01 | Patrigan | he actually did what I told him to.. |
| 16:28.44 | Patrigan | Kirkburn your remark was completely justified and I quickly altered it, it actually did sound better... |
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| 17:06.18 | Kirkburn | Cool, Patrigan |
| 17:06.38 | Adys | typing slowly! |
| 17:06.40 | Kirkburn | Um, at the top of the article, though |
| 17:06.56 | Kirkburn | All disambigs are at the top of articles :) |
| 17:07.02 | Kirkburn | I went out, okay!? :P |
| 17:07.15 | Adys | Thats... not an excuse |
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| 17:46.05 | [Zeal] | lo all |
| 17:46.28 | Teomyr | hi |
| 17:46.34 | Hobinheim | hel was too much i guess |
| 17:49.27 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 17:49.36 | Kirkburn | I do love a good wiki discussion, y'know |
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| 17:52.53 | [Zeal] | Arcance Grammar for? |
| 17:53.06 | [Zeal] | Patrigan, commented on your proposal ;) |
| 18:00.56 | Hobinheim | paging a vegetarian |
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| 18:41.33 | Kirkburn | I am interested in thoughts on the 'mission statement': WoWWiki:About |
| 18:41.39 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:About |
| 18:54.57 | Kirkburn | [Zeal], you probably notice by now I was the major proponent of the race names thing, so I am very unlikely to be swayed. I can't imagine others being swayed either, but if you wish to have further discussion of it on the vote page, go ahead :) Always good to discuss stuff! |
| 18:56.01 | [Zeal] | i did guess, and that fact that you won't be swayed doesn't surprise me, not bothered. :p |
| 18:58.25 | Kirkburn | heh |
| 19:04.03 | Kirkburn | Can I be annoying though and mention not to use h1 (=Blah=) titles :P |
| 19:04.15 | Hobinheim | that should be policy |
| 19:04.25 | Hobinheim | i wanted to write a bot that would keep clicking random and constnatly demote headings |
| 19:04.31 | Hobinheim | or at least tell me where pages still have them |
| 19:04.38 | Hobinheim | and what's this about race/ |
| 19:04.49 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Zeal |
| 19:04.56 | Kirkburn | Hobinheim, yeah, it should be policy |
| 19:06.11 | Hobinheim | umm yeah lowercase |
| 19:08.01 | [Zeal] | indeed, sorry, i need to replace that header with some styling is all. left it as h1 until i do. |
| 19:08.36 | [Zeal] | switched my user page to use the new format i want :) |
| 19:12.15 | Kirkburn | Argh, I hate 3 digit colour codes >:) |
| 19:14.04 | Kirkburn | Dinner, bbl |
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| 19:14.40 | [Zeal] | lol why Kirkburn|afk? :p |
| 19:14.45 | [Zeal] | wb Patrigan-Syldra |
| 19:14.57 | Adys | bwl pug here |
| 19:15.01 | Adys | this is awesome |
| 19:15.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | lol |
| 19:15.36 | Adys | razorgore down first try |
| 19:15.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | on SH we do AQ40 PUGs |
| 19:15.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | pfffft |
| 19:15.49 | Adys | I wanna see vael tho |
| 19:16.08 | Adys | douuubt we wont wipe tbh :P |
| 19:16.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | Everything to us is a lesser realm except for Magtheridon (Magtheridon is the best server in the world, as you might know) |
| 19:16.22 | Adys | haha |
| 19:16.28 | Adys | I remember the thread |
| 19:16.31 | Adys | where they posted the movie |
| 19:17.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | that thread was gold ^^ |
| 19:17.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | people actually bought it ^^ |
| 19:17.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | we should make a wiki page about magtheridon, take interviews of randoms about being on a lesser realm |
| 19:22.49 | [Zeal] | i'd be interested to hear Kirkburn's take on that tooltip discussion :P |
| 19:25.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | I found that tooltip interesting |
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| 19:30.39 | Adys | lol zeal |
| 19:31.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | Say, guys... |
| 19:31.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm currently doing this contest to decide a server logo |
| 19:32.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | is it allowed to upload all proposals to the wiki server? |
| 19:35.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | [Zeal] I commented your comment |
| 19:41.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | Fack! |
| 19:41.14 | [Zeal] | noticed. i still think a constant should be user, and server only if needed. plus, i'm already intending to propose the change to server names to use (<regioncode>) so you'd end up with either (<server>(<regioncode>)) or (<server>)(<regioncode>) anyways. |
| 19:41.21 | [Zeal] | *used |
| 19:41.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | well that's alrdy existing in a sense that it's currently: |
| 19:41.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | Shattered_Hand_Europe or Doomhammer_US |
| 19:42.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | (though Europe could have been EU) |
| 19:42.12 | [Zeal] | <server> <region/regioncode> is how it is atm.. which is retarded. |
| 19:42.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | You want all to be EU or US right? |
| 19:42.56 | [Zeal] | appending to the tile without clearly showing disambiguation is stupid imo. |
| 19:42.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | and Not Europe and America? |
| 19:43.03 | [Zeal] | correct |
| 19:43.15 | [Zeal] | CN, KR too. |
| 19:43.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | (CN and KR are? >.>) |
| 19:43.28 | [Zeal] | china korea |
| 19:43.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | ow ^^ |
| 19:43.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | indeed that would be a good change |
| 19:43.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | hoewever |
| 19:43.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | not for a guildpage |
| 19:44.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | it'll be better if it is <guildname> <Servername> <RegionCode> |
| 19:44.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | or even better, in case of shortening |
| 19:44.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | <guildname> (<Servercode> <Regioncode>) |
| 19:45.02 | [Zeal] | it's why i'm suggesting, <guild> (<regioncode>)(<server>)(<state>) state being test/beta |
| 19:45.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | Random Guild on Shattered Hand Europe would become |
| 19:45.19 | [Zeal] | only using them when needed. |
| 19:45.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | no |
| 19:45.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | not only when needed |
| 19:45.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | but ALWAYS |
| 19:45.33 | [Zeal] | thats stupid |
| 19:45.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | no it's not |
| 19:45.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | because |
| 19:45.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | now we would create let's say |
| 19:45.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | Random_Guild (EU) |
| 19:45.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | later on on another server |
| 19:46.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | Random Guild would also start |
| 19:46.03 | [Zeal] | you can't have full disambiguation always |
| 19:46.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | that means you would have to change the first Random_Guild (EU) to Random_Guild (EU)(Server1) |
| 19:46.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | in order to create Random_Guild (EU) (Server2) |
| 19:46.47 | [Zeal] | otherwise we would end up with soemthing stupid like Azeroth (Zone)(World)(WoW)(Blah...) |
| 19:46.54 | [Zeal] | on every single article |
| 19:46.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | you don't have to overdo it |
| 19:47.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | just for guilds |
| 19:47.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | add region and server |
| 19:47.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | both |
| 19:47.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | or you will have to move the first page each time the problem occurs |
| 19:47.33 | [Zeal] | no, disambiguation ruels should apply across all pages, there is no reason on any article types to ever change the rules. |
| 19:47.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | and that is just creating extra work |
| 19:47.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | well then friggin change all pages |
| 19:48.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | otherwise things will ebcome 1 big pile of chaos |
| 19:48.15 | foxlit | Should really be Random_Guild (Server2 EU) |
| 19:48.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | and what will hapen to Random Guild on server1? |
| 19:48.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | just stay Random_Guild (EU)? |
| 19:48.51 | foxlit | Shouldn't be (EU) in the first place. |
| 19:48.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | oO |
| 19:49.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's the whole point |
| 19:49.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | what it currently is |
| 19:49.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | is just making it a mess |
| 19:49.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | because imagine if blizzard decides to use Random_Guild for a new Orc Clan |
| 19:49.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | then we would have to move the first guild as well |
| 19:49.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | because logically |
| 19:49.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | lore has prio over guilds |
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| 19:49.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | so we're creating extra work |
| 19:50.05 | foxlit | Like 5 seconds of it. |
| 19:50.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | 5 seconds which can be prevented |
| 19:50.19 | [Zeal] | no they don't, they becoem an organized and logcal disambiguation. if no other guild name exists, then jsut do Guild:<name> if soemone comes along, and they have a guild, then make the apporpraite disambiguation. Move Guild:<name> to Guild:<name> (<disambig1>) and make the new one at Guild:<name2> (<disambig1>). if you need to go furthe,r thne add (<disambig2>) and so on. |
| 19:50.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | 5 seconds of moving that aren't needed in first place |
| 19:50.44 | [Zeal] | Patrigan-Syldra, this is why i'm proposing new namespaces |
| 19:50.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | but then you're creating 1 big pile of chaos |
| 19:50.50 | [Zeal] | that will never happen |
| 19:50.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | namespaces are BAD |
| 19:50.59 | [Zeal] | no, they aren't |
| 19:51.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | because it fucks up categories |
| 19:51.06 | [Zeal] | no, it doesn;t |
| 19:51.13 | [Zeal] | i suggest you read my proposal |
| 19:51.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes it does, you can still order it the wxay you want |
| 19:51.18 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 19:51.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | but it looks like crap |
| 19:51.28 | [Zeal] | no, it doesn't |
| 19:51.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | just go look at the server list |
| 19:51.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | everywhere server: |
| 19:51.33 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Argent_Dawn |
| 19:51.39 | [Zeal] | the server list is a pile of wank right now |
| 19:51.47 | foxlit | "This article is about The Argent Dawn faction. See also Argent Dawn (US RP server) and Argent Dawn (EU RP server)." I really don't see a problem. |
| 19:52.02 | [Zeal] | thats a psuedo namespace, and you can change the order. real namespaces don't suffer from that. |
| 19:52.07 | foxlit | You could do the same for guilds, eventually moving off original content as it becomes superceeded. |
| 19:52.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | you know how annoying things will become? |
| 19:52.40 | foxlit | And, honestly, convinience now > prospect of 5 seconds of work later. |
| 19:52.51 | [Zeal] | they won't be annoying at all |
| 19:52.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | imagine I have a completely dismabiged guild |
| 19:52.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | with server too |
| 19:53.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | in your system |
| 19:53.01 | Adys | dismabiged? |
| 19:53.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | disabiged |
| 19:53.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | disambiged |
| 19:53.12 | Adys | ^^ |
| 19:53.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | BAH HATE THE WORD! |
| 19:53.14 | foxlit | give up :) |
| 19:53.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | you knwo |
| 19:53.24 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 19:53.25 | Adys | knwo? |
| 19:53.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | dissed up untill sever |
| 19:53.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | argh >.> |
| 19:53.42 | Adys | what hour is it :) |
| 19:53.44 | foxlit | disambiguated |
| 19:53.45 | [Zeal] | completly, is relative Patrigan-Syldra, explain ;) |
| 19:53.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | your system |
| 19:54.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | myguild (EU) (server1) |
| 19:54.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I want to go look at a friends guild |
| 19:54.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | so I go |
| 19:54.16 | foxlit | (EU) should be in server1, not the other way around :) |
| 19:54.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | friendsguidl (EU) (Server2) |
| 19:54.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | (talking [Zeal] his system) |
| 19:54.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | it does not exist! |
| 19:54.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | why |
| 19:54.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | because it can be also friendsguild (EU) |
| 19:54.49 | [Zeal] | no, you would do just friendsguild |
| 19:54.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | or hell even just friendsguild |
| 19:54.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | no I wouldn't |
| 19:55.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | I would use the system my page has |
| 19:55.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | becaus ein normal minds, that's order... |
| 19:55.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | I won't go and try every single possibility |
| 19:55.36 | [Zeal] | disambiguation is never complete, always relative, so your stance on proposing that the server name is reliable isn't true. |
| 19:55.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | it is |
| 19:55.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | because there can't be 2 guilds on the same server with the same name |
| 19:55.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | we've tried it |
| 19:56.06 | [Zeal] | well duh |
| 19:56.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | disambiguation is limited to the limits the game set upon us |
| 19:56.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | so using server and region should ALWAYS be enough |
| 19:56.22 | [Zeal] | but there can be more than two of the same server |
| 19:56.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | nope |
| 19:56.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | impossible |
| 19:56.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | tried it |
| 19:56.35 | [Zeal] | yes, ptr's, betas. |
| 19:56.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | who would make a guildpage about ptrs and beta? >.> |
| 19:57.04 | [Zeal] | i would have done in the tbc beta if i got in earlier |
| 19:57.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | imo those should never exist |
| 19:57.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | because those need deletion afterwards |
| 19:57.18 | Adys | agree with patrigan |
| 19:57.29 | Adys | useless guild articles like that would get deleted eventually |
| 19:57.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | PTRs never last longer than 3-4 weeks |
| 19:57.53 | [Zeal] | i don't see why they should never exist, especially i nthe case of betas or long running ptr's, as they tend to have consistant server names |
| 19:58.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | sec need to trace up what you say is true (concerning the server names) |
| 19:58.23 | [Zeal] | the ptr may not be up, but when it returns each time, server names are usually the same. |
| 19:58.34 | Adys | and imo, more generally all guild pages not about an important guild or not really well filled should be deleted end of the line. |
| 19:58.57 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 19:58.58 | Adys | theres many websites to promote your guild or anything |
| 19:58.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | hmmm |
| 19:58.58 | Adys | "Hi join our guild we got a tabard more infos at ourguild.com" |
| 19:59.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | Doommyst server from EU beta doesn't even exist on the wiki XD |
| 19:59.07 | Adys | Gimme one min... |
| 19:59.13 | [Zeal] | if that was the case i would say remove player and guild articles completely. |
| 19:59.28 | Adys | player articles are fine if they are under User:../ |
| 19:59.35 | Adys | same for any article |
| 19:59.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | which reminds me btw |
| 19:59.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | Adys |
| 19:59.46 | [Zeal] | yeah, i don't see why they should ever be under user |
| 19:59.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | that isn't a set rule |
| 20:00.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | the writing/player_pages does not say that you have to put it under user |
| 20:01.25 | [Zeal] | all i've seen is the poor implementation of player articles, which has sparked up a negative view of them. |
| 20:01.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Icon1.png#file can anyone delete that btw >.> |
| 20:01.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | bad naming from my side |
| 20:01.26 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Beyond_Reckoning |
| 20:01.26 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Beyond_Remorse |
| 20:01.26 | Adys | Compare these two to.. |
| 20:01.26 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Arcadian_Reign |
| 20:01.26 | Adys | Honestly, wth |
| 20:01.32 | Adys | the rule says 3 lines |
| 20:01.40 | Adys | but very honestly Im going for a whole page tbh. |
| 20:02.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | well on my screen they don't even reach 3 lines XD |
| 20:02.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | now |
| 20:02.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | allow me to be very honest |
| 20:02.16 | Adys | same |
| 20:02.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | but the BEST way to solve this |
| 20:02.20 | Kirkburn | Interesting: http://www.wowwiki.com/Kalidar |
| 20:02.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | is to put everything under a subdomain |
| 20:02.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://guilds.wowwiki.com |
| 20:02.51 | [Zeal] | not at all |
| 20:03.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn: OLD! |
| 20:03.06 | Adys | I dont agree either, its not needed |
| 20:03.07 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, Icon1.png deleted |
| 20:03.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | ty |
| 20:03.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, it would solve all the naming problems |
| 20:03.28 | [Zeal] | it's what namespaces should be used for, and your onyl complaint is "they look silly in categories" which isn't even a real namespace. |
| 20:03.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, read my reasoning |
| 20:03.39 | Adys | Yes I agree with Zeal here |
| 20:03.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | true |
| 20:04.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | but afaik |
| 20:04.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | Server: isn't a real namespace either |
| 20:04.17 | Kirkburn | Indeed no |
| 20:04.18 | [Zeal] | no, it's not. |
| 20:04.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | even though it' sone of the most important things... |
| 20:04.32 | Kirkburn | The only real ones are the default wiki ones |
| 20:04.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | so, do you honestly expect me that guild would become a real namespace? oO |
| 20:04.48 | [Zeal] | as i said, that simple costmetic issue is hardly of concern over the benefits it creates. |
| 20:05.01 | Kirkburn | No idea how this will come out, but here are the namespaces: |
| 20:05.03 | Kirkburn | (Main) Talk User User talk WoWWiki WoWWiki talk Image Image talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk |
| 20:05.19 | Kirkburn | phew, no lines breaks |
| 20:05.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | it came out bad XD |
| 20:05.26 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 20:05.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | but is it possible to add extra to those? |
| 20:05.43 | [Zeal] | its fine, just confusing with talk |
| 20:05.58 | [Zeal] | it is, if rustak was around. |
| 20:06.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | well... |
| 20:06.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | send him a mail? |
| 20:06.20 | Kirkburn | You think we don't? ^^ |
| 20:06.22 | [Zeal] | that's acheived a great deal so far ;) |
| 20:06.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | hey |
| 20:06.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | his user page is one big lie :( |
| 20:06.36 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 20:06.41 | Kirkburn | Heh |
| 20:06.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | and I quote: |
| 20:07.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | "I respond to every email sent!" |
| 20:07.31 | *** join/#wowwiki Apollozeus (n=neogeo-x@ip51cf1265.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 20:07.38 | Adys | heya apo |
| 20:07.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | hi Apollozeus |
| 20:07.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | think he still plays his shaman on the burning legion server? |
| 20:07.59 | Apollozeus | hey guys |
| 20:08.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | perhaps we should station a person there who constantly keeps /whoing rustak |
| 20:08.19 | Apollozeus | wowinsider makes fun of us |
| 20:08.21 | Apollozeus | :( |
| 20:08.21 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowinsider.com/media/2006/12/zberegret.jpg |
| 20:08.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | send a hatemail? oO |
| 20:09.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | tbh |
| 20:09.10 | Apollozeus | :P |
| 20:09.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | I have never heard of that website before... |
| 20:09.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | wowinsider oO |
| 20:09.21 | Apollozeus | it's a pretty good blod |
| 20:09.24 | Apollozeus | blog* |
| 20:09.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | blog? oO |
| 20:09.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | who reads blogs in these days? |
| 20:09.56 | Apollozeus | a lot of people |
| 20:09.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | if I was to read every friggin blog on the internet concerning wow... |
| 20:10.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | darn my social life... |
| 20:10.11 | Apollozeus | just see how many responses those posts get |
| 20:10.28 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 20:10.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | 79 oO |
| 20:10.32 | Kirkburn | Apollozeus, I'm sad now :( |
| 20:10.40 | Apollozeus | what? D: |
| 20:10.43 | Kirkburn | WoWInsider is v popular |
| 20:10.47 | Adys | Oi, we are reliable |
| 20:10.51 | Kirkburn | We should get them to post about us |
| 20:10.56 | Adys | And Rustak responds to every email sent |
| 20:11.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | make a blog on it? |
| 20:11.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | he does, oO |
| 20:11.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | ? |
| 20:11.09 | Kirkburn | We are as reliable as we make it :P |
| 20:11.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | no |
| 20:11.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | We are as reliable as People make it |
| 20:11.25 | Apollozeus | I doubt they would let us use them for advertisement purposes |
| 20:11.27 | Apollozeus | besides |
| 20:11.27 | Kirkburn | "we" as in everyone |
| 20:11.36 | Apollozeus | they link to articles in wowwiki every so often |
| 20:11.40 | Kirkburn | Indeed |
| 20:11.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | people want datamined facts... |
| 20:12.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's a harsh truth |
| 20:12.12 | Kirkburn | Argh, that screenshot ... who still uses Titan!? |
| 20:12.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 20:12.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | I actually still have it installed... >.> |
| 20:12.56 | Adys | www.wowace.com/files/FuBar/ |
| 20:13.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah, have that too |
| 20:13.10 | Adys | .. |
| 20:13.23 | Kirkburn | weirdo :P |
| 20:13.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's not because it's installed, that it's enabled XD |
| 20:13.35 | Adys | im not gonna comment:p |
| 20:13.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | I once created a new character and per accident enabled all my addons >.> |
| 20:14.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | god I couldn't see my character... |
| 20:14.13 | Adys | by accident eh |
| 20:14.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | should clean it up one day actually oO |
| 20:14.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | <= dutch, live with it! (rather Belgian but meh...) |
| 20:15.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | so, what's the deal with rustak btw? |
| 20:15.20 | Kirkburn | One wonders, should I not be on a community team? :P |
| 20:15.57 | Adys | I dont get the community team thing, besides RC/NP patrol and bookkeepers:p |
| 20:16.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 20:16.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | Community team is good |
| 20:16.22 | Adys | Im in the cat team since ages and ive never been doing anything more specific than before |
| 20:16.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | if it is handled good |
| 20:16.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | but, I honestly doubt the handling of some teams... |
| 20:17.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | anyways |
| 20:18.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm gonna quickly finish up the page regarding the choosing of the SH Logo (the wiki leans itself perfect to community like this) |
| 20:19.57 | *** join/#wowwiki Kirkburn (n=Kirkburn@84-45-141-44.no-dns-yet.enta.net) |
| 20:20.08 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 20:20.11 | Kirkburn | I scream. Mmm. |
| 20:20.17 | Kirkburn | Last msg: <Kirkburn> Adys, guess who made it? |
| 20:20.53 | Kirkburn | Twas SilverSide, and it something I think we should really sort out (and cut down) at some point |
| 20:21.13 | Adys | oO |
| 20:21.17 | [Zeal] | applied to bookeepers Kirkburn? :P |
| 20:21.18 | Adys | Last msg? |
| 20:21.27 | Kirkburn | That was the last thing I typed :P |
| 20:21.48 | Kirkburn | [Zeal], well, I've spent a long enough time pretending to be everything |
| 20:21.55 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 20:21.58 | Kirkburn | So I should at leats join *something* |
| 20:22.03 | Kirkburn | *least |
| 20:22.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | create your own team? |
| 20:22.34 | [Zeal] | Kirkburnites :S |
| 20:22.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | "Pret Team" |
| 20:22.39 | Kirkburn | Power Rangers: The Kirkburns! |
| 20:22.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | We pretend to do everything! |
| 20:22.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 20:23.01 | Adys | Im gonna make my own team too |
| 20:23.05 | Adys | "Icon team" |
| 20:23.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | Hey, I want a team aswell! |
| 20:23.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | :( |
| 20:24.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | is it a problem that a picture exceeds the recommended size? |
| 20:24.16 | Adys | nah |
| 20:24.46 | Adys | unless its extremely big |
| 20:24.46 | Adys | pictures like 1500x2000 can screws up the wiki |
| 20:24.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, not THAT big XD |
| 20:24.49 | [Zeal] | thumb didly dumb |
| 20:24.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | meaning filesize |
| 20:25.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah, it's not meant to be thumbed |
| 20:25.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | not at this point at least |
| 20:25.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | we're deciding a logo for our server |
| 20:25.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | so that we can show it off everywhere as proud members of our communtiy |
| 20:25.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | community* |
| 20:25.40 | [Zeal] | ah, file size |
| 20:25.42 | Apollozeus | <@Adys> pictures like 1500x2000 can screws up the wiki <-- just put them in a thumb |
| 20:26.03 | Apollozeus | or adjust their size by |<number>px| |
| 20:26.15 | Apollozeus | it's not that big of a problem IMO |
| 20:26.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah, but it was filesize I was referring to |
| 20:26.26 | Apollozeus | well, as far as I know |
| 20:26.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | just slightly though >.> |
| 20:26.30 | Apollozeus | there's plenty of space |
| 20:26.32 | [Zeal] | or use template:img ;) |
| 20:26.33 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 20:26.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | in the end, we'll be fixing the chosen one to be perfect |
| 20:26.55 | [Zeal] | i hate the default thumb/caption/frame |
| 20:26.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | atm it's just proposals |
| 20:27.38 | [Zeal] | i dunno, if it's exceeding file size, compress or link ot externally. |
| 20:27.43 | [Zeal] | *to |
| 20:28.01 | Apollozeus | <gallery> needs fixing for the main skin |
| 20:28.02 | Apollozeus | :x |
| 20:28.07 | Kirkburn | 1280x1024 is a good maximum |
| 20:28.07 | Apollozeus | it's still wikipedia-white |
| 20:28.11 | Adys | preferences too |
| 20:28.23 | [Zeal] | prefrences need fixing for the main skin >_> |
| 20:28.23 | Apollozeus | yeah |
| 20:28.30 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 20:28.36 | Apollozeus | is enable besides rustak capable of fixing that |
| 20:28.37 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 20:28.40 | Adys | no. |
| 20:28.49 | Adys | he's been warned about all the bugs |
| 20:28.53 | Apollozeus | damn |
| 20:28.56 | Kirkburn | You can set the wiki to show 10,000 x 10,000, but I think that's off by default and it won't show anything bigger than 1280x1024 |
| 20:29.01 | Adys | and i believe mikk sent him a corrected css for most of it too |
| 20:29.06 | Kirkburn | He has |
| 20:29.08 | Apollozeus | we should backup wowwiki's database and start all over again somewhere else |
| 20:29.08 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 20:29.14 | Adys | lol |
| 20:29.29 | Apollozeus | if he doesn't show up for much longer we'll have to consider it |
| 20:29.32 | [Zeal] | well no one has replied to the points i've brought up on the styling page |
| 20:29.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | welll |
| 20:29.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | like I said |
| 20:29.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | someone go camp on Burning Legion Server to see if he arises |
| 20:30.11 | Apollozeus | what does he play |
| 20:30.11 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 20:30.12 | [Zeal] | ul indentation and and min-width. |
| 20:30.17 | [Zeal] | *-and |
| 20:30.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | Shaman |
| 20:31.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | so I take it he's horde |
| 20:31.03 | Apollozeus | :p |
| 20:31.09 | Kirkburn | Job! |
| 20:31.14 | Kirkburn | Fix: http://www.wowwiki.com/Special:DoubleRedirects |
| 20:32.18 | Apollozeus | hmm... let's see |
| 20:32.21 | Apollozeus | 53 of them |
| 20:32.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | Who take sit upon him? |
| 20:33.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | Aw crap... I need to go walk with my dogs... |
| 20:33.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 20:34.46 | Kirkburn | Useful links, btw: http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Kirkburn/Links |
| 20:35.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | (I bet he has a counter to see how many persons visit hisUser page or any of the pages beneath it >.>) |
| 20:36.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | btw |
| 20:36.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | we need more people on the voting thingy |
| 20:37.28 | Apollozeus | election time! |
| 20:37.28 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 20:39.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | Darn my server is stupid |
| 20:40.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | they don't know the difference between a logo (a square thingy) and a banner (a long thing most of the time containing the logo nearly always on top of the page) |
| 20:40.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | afaik, it's only the swedes that lack the intellect of keeping both apart... |
| 20:40.30 | Apollozeus | damn, damn swedes... |
| 20:40.40 | Apollozeus | many a-group has fallen apart in the middle of the instance |
| 20:40.58 | Apollozeus | because of the swedish! D: |
| 20:41.28 | Kirkburn | Yay, nicer coloured vandals: http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Known_vandals#Vandals_List |
| 20:42.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | true dat Apollozeus |
| 20:43.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | BLOCKED Wowgold contribs (if bot), moves talk Added gold site Fansites. 1 month for WoW TOS violation. |
| 20:43.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | only 1 month? oO |
| 20:43.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | permaban imo |
| 20:43.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | same with Blizzard banning... |
| 20:44.33 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:SHrealproposedlogo5.jpg <-- are those things really necessary? |
| 20:44.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | well... |
| 20:45.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | people expected me to do it yes >.> |
| 20:45.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | knowing people of myserver oO |
| 20:45.28 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/c/c6/SHproposedicon3.png |
| 20:45.29 | Apollozeus | rofl |
| 20:46.13 | Apollozeus | hmm well |
| 20:46.14 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Apollozeus/Realm_template |
| 20:46.23 | Apollozeus | I still intend on finalizing that |
| 20:46.30 | Apollozeus | perhaps those images could be contained in that template |
| 20:47.19 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Necrosis? |
| 20:47.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | 1 image must be chosen in the end |
| 20:47.30 | foxlit | Weren't we speedydeleting pages like that a while ago? |
| 20:47.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | why delete nexrosis? |
| 20:47.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | necrosis* |
| 20:48.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's been my warlock addon since start |
| 20:48.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | I actually found it thanks to the wowwiki, now that I think of it... |
| 20:48.15 | Apollozeus | does it still work? |
| 20:48.30 | Apollozeus | i.e; has it been updated for patch 2.0.1? |
| 20:48.35 | foxlit | As far as I remember, we aren't actually an addon database |
| 20:48.59 | Apollozeus | some addons are indeniably part of wow-culture, foxlit |
| 20:49.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 20:49.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | Foxlit |
| 20:49.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | that addon |
| 20:49.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | has been used by other addon crafters |
| 20:49.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | because it just looks so cool |
| 20:50.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | there came a priest version, a mage version, a hunter version, and some other versdion |
| 20:50.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | druids as well |
| 20:50.08 | foxlit | Notability is rather lacking; wiki page is poor, author website is better documentation. |
| 20:50.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's a true fact |
| 20:50.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | is there a page linking to it? |
| 20:50.26 | Apollozeus | there are NPC pages with nothing but {{Stub/NPC}} on it |
| 20:50.31 | Apollozeus | we're not going to delete them either |
| 20:50.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | (there used to be a warlock addon page with a list of good addons) |
| 20:50.36 | Apollozeus | its quality is not an argument |
| 20:50.47 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Addon_pages |
| 20:50.50 | Apollozeus | just stick {{cleanup}} on it |
| 20:50.53 | foxlit | 2 and 3 fail, 1 is perhaps suitable |
| 20:51.44 | foxlit | As far as I can see, it's actually a feature description rather than a review. |
| 20:52.35 | Apollozeus | nowhere on the page it says that when it doesn't meet the goals it should be deleted |
| 20:52.47 | Apollozeus | there's plenty of room for improvement - yes |
| 20:52.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | ow the horror of poorly written policies |
| 20:52.58 | Apollozeus | but to downright delete the article...? o.O |
| 20:53.04 | foxlit | It's a guideline, not a policy. |
| 20:53.29 | foxlit | Apollozeus: yes. It's happened with quite a lot of addon pages not too long ago. |
| 20:53.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | foxlit |
| 20:53.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | check this one out for your rampage: |
| 20:53.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.wowwiki.com/CTRA |
| 20:55.18 | Apollozeus | foxlit |
| 20:55.18 | foxlit | That's even more a candidate for deletion than necrosis. |
| 20:55.22 | Apollozeus | nominate for deletion |
| 20:55.26 | Apollozeus | see what the community thinks |
| 20:55.32 | Apollozeus | rather than just Patrigan-Syldra and me |
| 20:57.07 | *** join/#wowwiki Patrigan-Syldra (n=iron_pla@167.48-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 20:57.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | Hey, my oppinion is important |
| 20:57.31 | Apollozeus | yes, but this bickering is essentially pointless |
| 20:57.44 | Apollozeus | the three of us cannot decide for the entire wiki |
| 20:58.18 | foxlit | I see {{deletemod}} in its past. |
| 20:58.38 | foxlit | Curiously, Mikk cancelled that one |
| 20:58.49 | Adys | Kirk you thereN |
| 20:58.51 | Adys | ?* |
| 21:00.53 | [Zeal] | fixed my double redirects, heh. |
| 21:01.23 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ulua2.GIF http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ulua2.PNG http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Ulua_goed.PNG |
| 21:01.24 | Adys | wth ? |
| 21:01.43 | Apollozeus | ROFL |
| 21:01.48 | Apollozeus | fan fiction in gif |
| 21:01.52 | Adys | yea... |
| 21:02.50 | Apollozeus | delete >_> delete >_> |
| 21:04.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | hey, why can't I decide for the whole wiki? XD would be kind of cool (sry short AFK, someone posted a link to a hawt Alizée movie... For alizee I would even wait with dieing a few seconds...) |
| 21:07.19 | Apollozeus | wowwiki dictator |
| 21:07.20 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 21:07.32 | Apollozeus | kinda goes against anything wiki's stand for, but alright... |
| 21:07.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | gief! |
| 21:07.38 | Apollozeus | anyway |
| 21:07.41 | Apollozeus | what's wrong with this |
| 21:07.53 | [Zeal] | my policy, is democracy, but people shouldn't be forced to follow rules they don't agree with. thus those people, can leave and do it there way without people saying soemthing stupid like "they're just whining because they didn't get their wa, so the left". |
| 21:08.07 | [Zeal] | *their |
| 21:08.13 | Apollozeus | I'm trying to vote in foxlit's poll |
| 21:08.15 | Apollozeus | {{vote|Keep|~~~~|This appears to be a commonly used addon; [http://www.google.com/search?q=necrosis+%22world+of+warcraft%22 it gets quite a few google hits]. Would be a shame if we let this potential go to waste.}} |
| 21:08.22 | Apollozeus | it comes out like this: |
| 21:08.31 | Apollozeus | 1. Keep {{{2}}} - ({{{3}}}) |
| 21:08.34 | Apollozeus | what am I doing wrong? |
| 21:08.46 | [Zeal] | = |
| 21:09.03 | Apollozeus | I need to take out the =? |
| 21:09.26 | [Zeal] | its basically saying vote, keep, sig, necrosis+%22world+of+warcraft%22 it gets quite a few google hits]. Would be a shame if we let this potential go to waste. |
| 21:09.52 | foxlit | Just {{vote|Keep|See comments}} and edit comments. |
| 21:09.55 | [Zeal] | indeed, need to replace the = |
| 21:10.02 | [Zeal] | or that |
| 21:10.03 | Apollozeus | ok |
| 21:10.08 | Apollozeus | I'll subst: the template |
| 21:11.03 | foxlit | It's curious, it's only linked from http://www.wowwiki.com/Improved_Drain_Soul in the main namespace |
| 21:11.19 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Anna1.jpg can I know why the f.. |
| 21:11.37 | Apollozeus | hahaha |
| 21:12.33 | Apollozeus | o.O |
| 21:12.33 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/User_talk:Persis_Anaran%C3%AB%27Ann%C3%A1r%C3%AB_Denselde |
| 21:12.43 | Adys | LoL |
| 21:13.11 | Apollozeus | turns out random people have found wowwiki and are using it like an image host |
| 21:13.12 | Apollozeus | :/ |
| 21:13.37 | [Zeal] | well it's not easily, and heavily, watched. |
| 21:13.58 | Apollozeus | yep |
| 21:14.08 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Canadian_Bacon_Eh |
| 21:14.20 | foxlit | and http://www.wowwiki.com/Canadian_Bacon_Eh? [sic] |
| 21:14.36 | Apollozeus | wwe need to crack down on guild pages ;x |
| 21:14.38 | [Zeal] | basically, if you had something that checks to see if the iamge is linked, and after 5 days it gets auto deleted due to lack of use, would be handy. |
| 21:14.53 | Adys | nah zeal |
| 21:14.56 | Apollozeus | every random guy and his mom creates these pages about their 6 man level 10 guilds |
| 21:15.01 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Special:Unusedimages |
| 21:15.26 | Apollozeus | zeal, who's going to program that? |
| 21:15.31 | [Zeal] | yeah, i'm talking about a script to handly that automatically :P |
| 21:15.58 | [Zeal] | anyone with two braincells worth of coding knowledge? :P |
| 21:16.13 | Apollozeus | lol |
| 21:16.17 | Apollozeus | D: I now some BASIC |
| 21:16.23 | Apollozeus | not that that comes in handy |
| 21:16.24 | Apollozeus | <_< |
| 21:16.27 | [Zeal] | well in this case, PHP |
| 21:16.30 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/1/1c/TQStabard01.jpg |
| 21:16.31 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/images/f/fb/TQPtabardv02.png |
| 21:16.37 | Adys | these images bug out the wiki software |
| 21:16.47 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:TQStabard01.jpg |
| 21:16.50 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:TQPtabardv02.png |
| 21:17.06 | [Zeal] | that so needs to go.. |
| 21:17.13 | foxlit | Likely make GD hit a memory limit during the resize |
| 21:18.01 | Adys | they need to be replaced before we can do anything |
| 21:18.12 | Adys | if anyone can be arsed to upload two small images bearing the same name as these |
| 21:18.14 | [Zeal] | they're used? |
| 21:18.17 | Adys | and speedydelete it, it'd be nice |
| 21:18.18 | Adys | no |
| 21:18.38 | Adys | Just upload any random image bearing the name TQStabard01.jpg |
| 21:18.44 | Adys | and TQStabardv02.png |
| 21:18.51 | [Zeal] | who can actually delete? :S |
| 21:19.00 | Adys | admins |
| 21:19.10 | [Zeal] | then why not just delete? |
| 21:19.19 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:TQPtabardv02.png |
| 21:19.21 | Adys | click me |
| 21:19.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | doesn't work |
| 21:19.50 | Adys | yes because the image is too big |
| 21:19.55 | [Zeal] | yeah.. but does a delete url work? |
| 21:19.59 | Adys | no |
| 21:20.08 | [Zeal] | fair enough, thought it would :P |
| 21:22.34 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:WoWScrnShot_112206_200859.jpg |
| 21:22.36 | Apollozeus | booty at the sea |
| 21:22.37 | Apollozeus | :D |
| 21:22.47 | Adys | it's a cool screenshot |
| 21:23.10 | Apollozeus | yeah.. where was it taken? |
| 21:23.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | uhm sec lemme see |
| 21:23.24 | Adys | Id say westfall/elwynn |
| 21:23.28 | Apollozeus | elwynn? |
| 21:23.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | Tanaris |
| 21:23.33 | Adys | err no sorry |
| 21:23.41 | Apollozeus | haha |
| 21:23.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | no |
| 21:23.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | wait |
| 21:23.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | worse |
| 21:23.50 | Adys | the area behind stormwind |
| 21:23.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | Gah, stupid me >.> |
| 21:23.51 | Apollozeus | not westfall either |
| 21:23.55 | Adys | beetween sw and if |
| 21:23.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | Silithus |
| 21:23.56 | Apollozeus | westfall has a beach |
| 21:23.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | left side |
| 21:24.02 | Adys | mmm |
| 21:24.05 | Adys | yeah maybe sili |
| 21:24.10 | Apollozeus | ok |
| 21:24.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | Sili but you can only get there from swimming from Feralas |
| 21:24.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | by swimming from* |
| 21:24.38 | Apollozeus | lol, waste of time |
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| 21:24.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | never is |
| 21:24.47 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 21:24.58 | Adys | Kirk <pokes> |
| 21:25.39 | Adys | go empty me http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Articles_for_speedy_deletion |
| 21:25.50 | Adys | im going through unused images |
| 21:25.58 | Apollozeus | seriously |
| 21:26.07 | Apollozeus | Varghedin is a machine |
| 21:26.13 | Apollozeus | he uploads so many images in one day |
| 21:26.16 | Adys | lol |
| 21:27.05 | Apollozeus | blizz stated they are working on another addon |
| 21:27.10 | Apollozeus | I wonder what they'd add this time |
| 21:27.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | bliiz on an addon? oO |
| 21:27.18 | Apollozeus | err.. |
| 21:27.20 | Apollozeus | expansion* |
| 21:27.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | ah expansion |
| 21:27.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | that's actually rather OLD news |
| 21:27.32 | Adys | northrend.. |
| 21:27.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah |
| 21:27.40 | Apollozeus | I keep my fingers crossed for the emerald dream |
| 21:27.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | Northrend won't be here before lvl 100 |
| 21:27.44 | Adys | I think Northrend will be the third expansion |
| 21:28.09 | Adys | on an interesting point |
| 21:28.18 | Adys | if you look at the cosmic map there is a funny thing |
| 21:28.25 | Adys | they added northrend, but.. |
| 21:28.30 | Adys | they didn't update quel thalas/azuremyst |
| 21:28.31 | Kirkburn | Adys, lo |
| 21:28.38 | Adys | lo kirk |
| 21:28.48 | Apollozeus | I noticed that |
| 21:28.50 | Kirkburn | Bloomin' router jammed again :) |
| 21:28.55 | Adys | hehe |
| 21:29.03 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Canadian_Bacon_Eh%3F_Late_Night_End_Game_Raiders%21 |
| 21:29.05 | foxlit | Somebody stop them. |
| 21:29.27 | foxlit | Hm, that's strange. |
| 21:29.36 | Apollozeus | that just links to http://www.wowwiki.com/Canadian_Bacon_Eh |
| 21:29.38 | Apollozeus | :s |
| 21:29.51 | foxlit | But no redirect tag :/ |
| 21:30.00 | foxlit | Wonder what %3F is |
| 21:30.07 | Adys | comma i think |
| 21:30.13 | Apollozeus | ah |
| 21:30.14 | Adys | not sure at all |
| 21:30.14 | Apollozeus | the ? |
| 21:30.24 | Apollozeus | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Canadian_Bacon_Eh%3F_Late_Night_End_Game_Raiders%21&curid=73023&action=history |
| 21:30.26 | Apollozeus | this should work |
| 21:30.56 | foxlit | Ah, question mark |
| 21:32.42 | Kirkburn | Indeed Apollo |
| 21:32.45 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Canadian_Bacon_Eh%3F_Late_Night_End_Game_Raiders%21 |
| 21:32.59 | Kirkburn | For odd addresses you need the index.php bit |
| 21:33.45 | Kirkburn | Deleted it now |
| 21:34.45 | [Zeal] | someone link an item, preferably a weapon |
| 21:34.58 | foxlit | [Slavedriver Cane] |
| 21:35.07 | foxlit | [Slavedriver's Cane] |
| 21:35.11 | [Zeal] | meant wiki link but nvm :P |
| 21:35.30 | [Zeal] | not on the wiki? : / |
| 21:35.33 | foxlit | http://www.wowwiki.com/Argent_Avenger |
| 21:35.50 | [Zeal] | that works, ty |
| 21:40.38 | [Zeal] | why the hell are we even display item level.. |
| 21:40.44 | [Zeal] | *displaying |
| 21:41.04 | Kirkburn | Because it's important info |
| 21:41.08 | [Zeal] | i'm unhappy with the chosen item, lol |
| 21:41.35 | Kirkburn | Item level is the best way of determing the relative power of an item |
| 21:41.47 | Kirkburn | s/determing/determining/ |
| 21:42.09 | [Zeal] | it's not important info. it's not displayed in the game, and the only benefit to showing it on sites is to sort by it (though the value is inaccurate anyways so not even helpful), which we can't do in the the wiki. |
| 21:42.39 | [Zeal] | its not the best way, possibly the worst way.. |
| 21:43.18 | Teomyr | could you have a look at http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Main_Page and tell me what you think about the tooltips? |
| 21:44.05 | [Zeal] | they're tables, i hate them. ;) |
| 21:44.15 | [Zeal] | but nice graphically |
| 21:44.27 | Teomyr | i know, i hate tables too ;) |
| 21:44.48 | Teomyr | i tried to use img and position them using stylesheets, but... well |
| 21:45.08 | Teomyr | firefox does it very nicely, IE doesn't |
| 21:46.08 | [Zeal] | odd.. i'm working on a div version of the tooltips right now, ie behaves fine ;) |
| 21:46.20 | Teomyr | really? |
| 21:46.31 | Teomyr | maybe you're using a different approach then :D |
| 21:47.13 | [Zeal] | i'm using a list inside a div. |
| 21:47.24 | Teomyr | mine doesn't render the right and left border |
| 21:47.30 | Teomyr | if i don't use tables |
| 21:47.47 | Kirkburn | [Zeal], just because you don't think it's important, doesn't make it so |
| 21:47.51 | [Zeal] | oh, granted i'm not using images for the borders, yet. |
| 21:47.52 | Kirkburn | Many people use item level |
| 21:47.57 | Teomyr | but i'll try it again, i hate tables anyway |
| 21:48.14 | Kirkburn | Why is it 'inaccurate'? |
| 21:48.41 | Kirkburn | Wow, I really want that icon now! |
| 21:48.50 | [Zeal] | because often if you d the calculations, you see it contradicts the item level. |
| 21:49.01 | Teomyr | :D |
| 21:49.01 | [Zeal] | lol, yeah nice test bed teomyr |
| 21:49.26 | Apollozeus | ok |
| 21:49.27 | Teomyr | thanks ;) |
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| 21:49.32 | Apollozeus | word from the canadian bacon guy |
| 21:49.33 | Apollozeus | " Moved comment |
| 21:49.33 | Apollozeus | Hey there, not sure if im doing anything right. I added a page to describe my guild but then its not there so i added it again but its gone again. Would you be able to help me out? I didnt want to create mess. |
| 21:49.33 | Apollozeus | thanks |
| 21:49.33 | Apollozeus | pete -- Nozzub " |
| 21:49.51 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 21:49.57 | Kirkburn | It's there now =) |
| 21:50.08 | Adys | link him the correct version |
| 21:51.20 | Kirkburn | hmm |
| 21:51.40 | Kirkburn | [[Canadian Bacon Eh]] |
| 21:51.50 | Kirkburn | The wiki doesn't like punctuation in titles |
| 21:52.09 | Adys | cry, why does it allow it then |
| 21:52.13 | Kirkburn | I've made it that the one with the ? redirects to the normal one though |
| 21:52.27 | Kirkburn | It does allow it, but it's ... complicated |
| 21:53.18 | Kirkburn | You would have to use the code version of the symbols |
| 21:53.34 | Kirkburn | Because internet addresses don't allow them (normally) |
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| 21:54.58 | *** mode/#wowwiki [+o Kirkburn] by ChanServ |
| 21:55.06 | Kirkburn | Oh router, why do you treat me so |
| 21:55.17 | Adys | Oh router, oh router router blue.. |
| 21:55.35 | Adys | BWL pug at flamegor atm |
| 21:55.37 | Adys | its going great |
| 21:55.42 | Adys | 3 wipes on vael and thats all |
| 21:56.15 | Adys | tho im really burnt out of raiding |
| 21:56.29 | Adys | i think ill host saturday's mc pug and that will be it till bc |
| 21:56.52 | Teomyr | bwl pug? nice |
| 21:57.06 | Adys | 81 signups lol |
| 21:57.11 | Adys | http://forums.wow-europe.com/thread.html;jsessionid=95B79BEF20AF218E96D648DB1AB1ECA4?topicId=102480640&sid=1 |
| 21:58.46 | Adys | i wonder if we will be able to do chromaggus |
| 21:59.15 | Apollozeus | 81? |
| 21:59.21 | Apollozeus | you can do several pugs :p |
| 21:59.25 | Adys | =P |
| 21:59.34 | Kirkburn | Varg, picture machine. At least he's spending his time IN WoW doing it :P |
| 21:59.36 | Adys | we got a great raid setup |
| 21:59.41 | Adys | lol |
| 22:00.09 | Apollozeus | machine |
| 22:00.19 | Apollozeus | that's what I called him earlier this night |
| 22:00.43 | Adys | we need to get him in here :) |
| 22:00.56 | Adys | Flamegor down btw |
| 22:01.22 | Apollozeus | yeah |
| 22:01.44 | Apollozeus | let's teach him the details of IRC |
| 22:01.46 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 22:01.47 | [Zeal] | are effect types actually underlined in tooltips? :S |
| 22:01.54 | Adys | no |
| 22:02.01 | [Zeal] | didn't think so.. |
| 22:02.04 | Adys | nothing is |
| 22:02.28 | Adys | {{effect}} reproduces exactly whats ingame |
| 22:05.14 | [Zeal] | i see. msot people don't appear to be using that : / |
| 22:05.25 | Adys | thats very normal |
| 22:05.29 | [Zeal] | i ofc won't be because i'm not using a table. |
| 22:05.42 | Adys | its a new template, that requires a page to be created for the text to appear |
| 22:06.12 | [Zeal] | i see |
| 22:06.14 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: have a look at my test site again, i changed the tooltips |
| 22:06.39 | Apollozeus | bedtime guys |
| 22:06.40 | Apollozeus | D: |
| 22:06.43 | Apollozeus | cya |
| 22:06.44 | Adys | gn ap |
| 22:06.45 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: strangely enough, IE7 now renders them just fine. they still need a bit of tweaking (padding etc) |
| 22:06.50 | Teomyr | good night |
| 22:07.08 | [Zeal] | kk, look in a sec |
| 22:07.12 | Adys | Zeal: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Spells_by_ID - there are multiple thousands of spells in wow, including about 4000-5000 used by items |
| 22:07.18 | Adys | so far, 141 have been uploaded |
| 22:07.46 | [Zeal] | erm.. ok? what's that got to do with what i was talking about? :s |
| 22:07.57 | Adys | im a slowtyper =) |
| 22:08.00 | Adys | fighting chrom atm |
| 22:08.52 | [Zeal] | nice Teomyr, though what happened to the last example? |
| 22:09.32 | Teomyr | the picture extended beyond the frame |
| 22:09.58 | Teomyr | don't know why, probably because of |left |
| 22:10.29 | Kirkburn | Yes, we need Varg, Ragestorm and Baggins on here! |
| 22:11.34 | [Zeal] | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Sandbox/Templates/Templates/tooltip it's not in template form yet, but here we go, wikified too. |
| 22:11.53 | [Zeal] | one on the left is mine, on the right is the current one |
| 22:13.19 | Teomyr | nice |
| 22:14.01 | [Zeal] | hopefully cromie will give Adys a break so he can point out what he doesn/doesn't like about it :P |
| 22:14.06 | [Zeal] | *does |
| 22:14.14 | Teomyr | hehe |
| 22:14.17 | Adys | I know I'm gonna be a whiner but I'm going to insist on using templates to explain the spells |
| 22:14.24 | Adys | and yeah Im a mage, I can be afk =P |
| 22:14.53 | [Zeal] | well i'm not sure i follow what you want to do tbh |
| 22:15.15 | Adys | use the spell templates for the Equip/Set/Chance on Hit/ etc |
| 22:15.36 | Adys | its so much easier once we got most uploaded |
| 22:15.51 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: added the last example in back in, but i needed to specify the height :/ |
| 22:16.10 | [Zeal] | what, so every different effect will receive an template to pull it's decription in? |
| 22:16.26 | [Zeal] | i'll take a look teomyr, one sec. |
| 22:16.48 | Adys | Check how this page is formed: http://www.wowwiki.com/Dreadnaught_Gauntlets |
| 22:16.53 | Adys | the tooltip |
| 22:16.55 | [Zeal] | ouch, it's screwed in ie7 >_o |
| 22:17.12 | Teomyr | is it? |
| 22:17.19 | Teomyr | oh yes, it is -_- |
| 22:17.22 | Teomyr | bleh |
| 22:17.30 | Teomyr | probably need to specify the width as well |
| 22:18.32 | [Zeal] | Template:Spell:13388 ? |
| 22:19.05 | [Zeal] | hm.. i'll need to think that through, bu't i'm thinking it's not worth it. |
| 22:19.09 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Template:Effect&action=edit |
| 22:19.20 | Adys | It really makes things much easier when changing something |
| 22:19.27 | [Zeal] | yeah i know that template. |
| 22:20.18 | [Zeal] | well i guess it fits in fine given that my proposal for Skill: was to include, abilities, spells, effects, all of it. |
| 22:20.34 | Adys | Chrommie dead <3 |
| 22:20.50 | [Zeal] | but i wouldn't have them in the template namespace |
| 22:21.01 | Adys | me neither |
| 22:21.02 | [Zeal] | as it's a transclusion rather than a template. |
| 22:21.08 | Adys | I know |
| 22:21.12 | Adys | I couldnt do otherwise |
| 22:21.14 | [Zeal] | kk then, i'm with ya :P |
| 22:21.50 | Adys | the template: was autoadded when the template didnt exist |
| 22:21.52 | [Zeal] | but i'm not going to support it until the wdb parser is done. |
| 22:22.02 | Adys | dont worry about it |
| 22:22.05 | [Zeal] | if ever, lol |
| 22:22.20 | [Zeal] | opinion of the template then? |
| 22:22.27 | [Zeal] | er.. the tooltip |
| 22:22.50 | [Zeal] | i added in what was in your sandbox about the icon. |
| 22:23.14 | Adys | Nefarian in pug :) |
| 22:23.22 | Adys | time to have a good laugh |
| 22:24.46 | [Zeal] | Teomyr, i dunno what impact it has due to the javascript, but you're never going to know the width and heights, you'r gunna need to float them. god i hate css lately.. fails at being helpful in most cases. |
| 22:25.59 | Teomyr | i know, that's a problem :/ |
| 22:26.17 | [Zeal] | i can't really acheive an image based border in the wiki due to the background-image being usless. |
| 22:26.21 | Teomyr | you can specify styles in the wiki markup, though |
| 22:26.48 | [Zeal] | i know, but getting those proposed and implemented is futile really ;) |
| 22:27.21 | Teomyr | ^^ |
| 22:27.27 | Teomyr | ie and firefox both have very different opinions about how padding and margins are to be interpreted |
| 22:27.44 | Teomyr | and seeing what opera is doing with my nice little tooltips is making me cry |
| 22:28.36 | [Zeal] | actually , think i was on a different page there, lol. i mean like in the wow skin css, .wow_tooltip { background-image: url(blahlblah); } |
| 22:28.44 | [Zeal] | what version of ie are you using? cos ie7 does it right now, no difference afaik :S |
| 22:29.00 | [Zeal] | well opera can blow me. |
| 22:29.06 | Teomyr | :D |
| 22:29.08 | [Zeal] | as can ie6 and below. |
| 22:29.14 | [Zeal] | and safari. |
| 22:29.32 | Teomyr | i'm using ie 7 and i barely managed to find values for padding that look almost the same |
| 22:29.38 | Teomyr | as in ff |
| 22:29.40 | [Zeal] | odd :s |
| 22:29.56 | Teomyr | that's the ie box model bug probably :/ |
| 22:30.15 | [Zeal] | nope, that was removed in ie7 |
| 22:30.23 | Teomyr | was it? |
| 22:30.27 | Teomyr | would be nice :D |
| 22:30.29 | [Zeal] | wait.. it might still be in quirks mode |
| 22:31.03 | [Zeal] | in which case, you're missing the dtd from your page, as the wiki is using xhtml 1 trans |
| 22:31.18 | [Zeal] | :s |
| 22:31.52 | Teomyr | xhtml? oh shit, sure as hell this won't validate :P |
| 22:31.52 | [Zeal] | my tooltip looks exactly the same between ie7 and ff, where as the old one, using tables, looks different (worse) in ff. |
| 22:31.58 | [Zeal] | rofl |
| 22:32.13 | Teomyr | good that browsers are forgiving |
| 22:32.15 | [Zeal] | i doubt much of the wiki validate ;) |
| 22:32.21 | Teomyr | right |
| 22:32.27 | [Zeal] | plus the fact ie7 doesn't evne know xhtml |
| 22:32.53 | foxlit | "know" in this context is odd :P |
| 22:33.17 | [Zeal] | jsut that the correct dtd is needed to put it into 'standards' mode, and not 'quirks' mode. |
| 22:33.54 | foxlit | Actually, we're pretty good with passing XHTML validation |
| 22:34.05 | [Zeal] | surprising :p |
| 22:34.06 | foxlit | There are some minor issues in the template, but things generally work |
| 22:34.26 | foxlit | http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.wowwiki.com%2FArgent+Dawn&charset=%28detect+automatically%29&doctype=Inline |
| 22:36.02 | [Zeal] | though the software was already handling <br>--><br /> must be a hard coded one. |
| 22:36.06 | [Zeal] | *thought |
| 22:36.39 | foxlit | Most of the errors are in the admin-customizable navigation menu. |
| 22:37.22 | [Zeal] | hehe |
| 22:38.16 | [Zeal] | Teomyr, the padding looks the name between ff and ie7 for me, but i should point out i'm not using ff 2.0, but 1.5.0.9 |
| 22:40.04 | Teomyr | 2.0 here, that might be the issue |
| 22:40.22 | Teomyr | anyways, i'll have to work that out ;) |
| 22:40.34 | Teomyr | speaking of "not knowing xml"... |
| 22:40.43 | Teomyr | that reminds me of an old cartoon: http://www.hackles.org/cgi-bin/archives.pl?request=217 |
| 22:40.56 | foxlit | mm, hackles |
| 22:41.59 | Adys | lol |
| 22:41.59 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Alamo |
| 22:43.22 | Teomyr | lmao |
| 22:44.23 | Adys | BWL cleared =) |
| 22:44.24 | Adys | in a pug |
| 22:44.43 | Teomyr | oO |
| 22:44.43 | Teomyr | grats! |
| 22:44.46 | Adys | 3 wipes at vael |
| 22:44.48 | Adys | and thats all |
| 22:50.40 | [Zeal] | lol@ragestorm's reply to your application Kirkburn :P |
| 22:51.08 | Kirkburn | You're new, I'm an admin :P |
| 22:51.21 | [Zeal] | so i don't deserve a reply? lol |
| 22:51.25 | Kirkburn | um |
| 22:52.18 | Kirkburn | Hahaha! There were some AWFUL spelling mistakes on http://www.wowwiki.com/index.php?title=Quotes_of_Warcraft_III&curid=70925&diff=386413&oldid=370853 |
| 22:52.35 | Kirkburn | - *"you'll faild to abuse me" + *"You fail to amuse me" |
| 22:52.55 | Kirkburn | - *"What trickly is this?" + *"What trickery is this?" |
| 22:52.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 22:53.20 | Teomyr | maldranoth? |
| 22:53.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | I want to bet 100g that that is done by a Swe! |
| 22:53.56 | [Zeal] | were they corrected for spelling or corrected for accuracy? really shouldn't be correcting quotes, defeats the point of a quote. |
| 22:54.51 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki_talk:Village_pump#How_is_Illidan_alive.3F_He_was_killed_by_Arthas |
| 22:54.51 | Adys | <3 |
| 22:57.24 | [Zeal] | Teomyr, another thing i'd like to see on those tooltips btw, make a.. i dunno 60% ? opacity black background to tile. |
| 22:58.57 | Teomyr | hm |
| 22:59.24 | Teomyr | i think too much of the underlying text becomes visible at 60%, making the tooltip unreadable |
| 22:59.25 | [Zeal] | probably mean using something like 8 divs however.. but hey, thats 1 less table cell, and 1 less table :P |
| 22:59.32 | [Zeal] | 80% then? |
| 22:59.39 | Teomyr | i think it's 85% atm |
| 23:00.11 | [Zeal] | oh.. it is transparent.. hm |
| 23:00.18 | [Zeal] | well it needs to be mroe imo |
| 23:00.27 | [Zeal] | 70-80 |
| 23:00.49 | Teomyr | sec |
| 23:01.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | give tooltip example PLIX! |
| 23:02.09 | Kirkburn | Interesting discussion: http://www.wowwiki.com/Talk:Illidan_Stormrage#Instance_suggestion |
| 23:02.10 | Teomyr | a code example? |
| 23:02.53 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: 70% is too much |
| 23:03.07 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: look at it |
| 23:03.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | Kirkburn |
| 23:03.29 | Kirkburn | Yup? |
| 23:03.30 | [Zeal] | hm.. i see took the easy root and applied the background to the whole div.. can see the background behind the borders sticking out. :p |
| 23:03.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | where does the quote come from >.> |
| 23:03.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | too lazy to think >< |
| 23:03.43 | Kirkburn | Seen the TBC cinematic? |
| 23:03.48 | Kirkburn | Think to the end of it |
| 23:03.49 | [Zeal] | 75% |
| 23:03.52 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes ofc |
| 23:03.58 | Kirkburn | What is he holding |
| 23:04.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | "YOU ARE NOT PREPARED!"? |
| 23:04.08 | Patrigan-Syldra | ow... |
| 23:04.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | OOOOOWWWW... |
| 23:04.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | isn't that the skull of guldan? |
| 23:04.20 | [Zeal] | though i don't think that looks horrible as it is, still readable, but correct, too much. |
| 23:04.21 | Kirkburn | Yes, it is |
| 23:04.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | the thingy that he ninjad right in front of Maiev her eyes... |
| 23:04.53 | [Zeal] | did i miss that? the skull? :s |
| 23:05.07 | Patrigan-Syldra | if I was Maiev, I would've made a forum post saying Illidan ninjad my epic :( |
| 23:05.19 | Kirkburn | Would be quite a twist :P |
| 23:06.17 | [Zeal] | yeah.. very unlikely its the skull of guldan.. |
| 23:06.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | God... |
| 23:06.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | I gotta do that... |
| 23:06.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | didn't he eat the skull or something? |
| 23:06.39 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: http://simonveith.de/wowwikitest/index.php/Tooltip_Test - 75% atm |
| 23:06.43 | [Zeal] | consumed its power, yeah |
| 23:06.57 | *** join/#wowwiki RickJames (i=RickJame@cpe-70-117-171-193.elp.res.rr.com) |
| 23:06.58 | [Zeal] | 80% it is then ;) |
| 23:07.02 | RickJames | hello |
| 23:07.08 | [Zeal] | bitch? :p |
| 23:07.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | so the skull is gone now?... |
| 23:07.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | so how can he still hold it oO |
| 23:07.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | gah >.> lack of logic! |
| 23:07.42 | Kirkburn | RickJames, hello |
| 23:07.52 | RickJames | this is a pretty cool website |
| 23:07.56 | RickJames | i just found it for the first time |
| 23:08.06 | Kirkburn | Well, nothing ever goes away in Warcraft, you should know that [Zeal], Patrigan-Syldra :P |
| 23:08.07 | [Zeal] | hes not Patrigan-Syldra, notice how he jsut discards it.. it's soem random useless skull. |
| 23:08.18 | [Zeal] | i know Kirkburn :p |
| 23:08.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | good point |
| 23:08.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm alrdy a bit confused with the whole kill Kael'thas and Blood Elf plotline |
| 23:08.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | I mean... |
| 23:08.46 | Kirkburn | In any case, that wouldn't affect the idea |
| 23:08.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | the Blood Elves |
| 23:08.53 | Kirkburn | RickJames, glad to hear it :D |
| 23:09.15 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: 80% now. personally, i prefer 85%. i think what we had in the beginning was 90% |
| 23:09.20 | [Zeal] | well nobunaga @ wcradio covered that recently in the lore forums |
| 23:09.22 | RickJames | i just heard that Peter jackson and Steven speilberg have signed on to do a warcraft film in 2008! |
| 23:09.25 | Kirkburn | Even if that skull is not the skull of Gul'dan, Gul'dan is quite possibly now a part of Illidan |
| 23:09.38 | Kirkburn | From where?? |
| 23:09.47 | RickJames | Access Hollywood |
| 23:10.13 | RickJames | thats a national syndicated tv show in the US |
| 23:10.17 | [Zeal] | ok.. i must have seen a 90% version toemyr, cos 80% 85% looks a huge step |
| 23:10.27 | Adys | bedtime here, bwl is exhausting when you done it for months... gn all |
| 23:10.33 | Kirkburn | "In October 2006, Peter Jackson was confirmed to be the director" |
| 23:10.40 | Kirkburn | Woah, how did I miss that! |
| 23:10.56 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: just uploaded 85%, check again |
| 23:11.05 | RickJames | this is all new news to me dude, i dont know they just talked about it on tv |
| 23:11.09 | Patrigan-Syldra | both jackson AND Spielberg? |
| 23:11.21 | RickJames | i didint even know there was going to be a warcraft movie |
| 23:11.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | ... |
| 23:11.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah warcraft movie is old |
| 23:11.30 | RickJames | yeah jackson and speilberg |
| 23:11.38 | [Zeal] | that's an oddly large step.. wtf :s |
| 23:11.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | hope they do it together ^^ |
| 23:11.50 | RickJames | that would be nuts! |
| 23:11.56 | RickJames | i havent seen speilberg fuck anything up yet |
| 23:11.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | I remember Metzen say: "Getting Jackson is just a dream" |
| 23:12.04 | [Zeal] | oh well jsut leave it at 85% i guess then, sorry for wasting your time :P |
| 23:12.31 | Teomyr | [Zeal]: xD |
| 23:12.39 | RickJames | so since you guys know about this for so long, what is the story supposed to be based on? |
| 23:12.49 | [Zeal] | we don't know |
| 23:12.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | nothing much is given out |
| 23:12.51 | Kirkburn | Not announced yet |
| 23:13.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | But I bet it will NOT feature gnomes! |
| 23:13.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | except for an occasional laugh |
| 23:13.15 | [Zeal] | all we really know is that it will be live action, much to everyone's disapointment i'm sure. |
| 23:13.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah |
| 23:13.26 | Kirkburn | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warcraft_%28film%29 |
| 23:13.26 | RickJames | its on right now if anyone is in central time zones in the us |
| 23:13.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | would've loved the movie to be like the cinematics |
| 23:13.40 | RickJames | on E! |
| 23:13.46 | [Zeal] | same Patrigan-Syldra |
| 23:13.46 | Teomyr | render movie would be godlike |
| 23:13.51 | Teomyr | but too expensive i think |
| 23:14.02 | [Zeal] | hardly :p |
| 23:14.08 | [Zeal] | live action is more costly |
| 23:14.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | true |
| 23:14.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | but then again |
| 23:14.21 | [Zeal] | plus blizz have the ability to do it in-house |
| 23:14.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | if Jackson is on it |
| 23:14.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | LoTR isn't bad... |
| 23:14.41 | RickJames | sot his is going to be a cgi film? |
| 23:14.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | if Spielberg is on it... |
| 23:14.44 | RickJames | that would be so gay |
| 23:14.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | nah it won't |
| 23:14.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | (hell what is cgi? >.>) |
| 23:15.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | I only know cgi script XD |
| 23:15.05 | RickJames | they just said James Horner is going to do the score |
| 23:15.07 | Kirkburn | Computer Generated |
| 23:15.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | ah k |
| 23:15.11 | [Zeal] | computer generated image |
| 23:15.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | same as CGI script :p |
| 23:15.27 | Kirkburn | RickJames, this is incredible news if true |
| 23:15.29 | RickJames | anyone watching this? |
| 23:15.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | gonna look it up |
| 23:15.38 | [Zeal] | well i can't : / |
| 23:15.42 | Kirkburn | Can't, EU :P |
| 23:15.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | this looks as to be too hot |
| 23:15.47 | RickJames | fuk i wish i would of recorded it |
| 23:15.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | RickJames |
| 23:15.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | name of the program? |
| 23:15.59 | RickJames | Access Hollywood |
| 23:15.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | and channel? |
| 23:16.03 | RickJames | E! |
| 23:16.24 | [Zeal] | i beleive i have e! on sky... dunno though |
| 23:16.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | sec |
| 23:16.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | looking things up |
| 23:16.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | hoping their website is fast with information |
| 23:16.51 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.accesshollywood.com/ |
| 23:17.00 | RickJames | They said that the cast is still in negotion but that many A list actors have expressed interest in roles |
| 23:17.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:17.22 | RickJames | damn that gives me goosebumps |
| 23:17.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | imagine... |
| 23:17.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | a cast similar to that of Lotr |
| 23:17.33 | *** join/#wowwiki bleetah (n=bleeter@guifications/developer/bleeter) |
| 23:17.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | or just a movie similar to that of lotr |
| 23:17.42 | RickJames | this is going to kick so much ass |
| 23:17.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | hell atm... |
| 23:17.45 | Teomyr | "me want dress as orc! wuaaah" |
| 23:17.50 | bleetah | heyas |
| 23:17.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | it would be kickass |
| 23:17.54 | Teomyr | hi |
| 23:17.57 | [Zeal] | Access Hollywood is the name of the show? :s |
| 23:18.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | es |
| 23:18.23 | RickJames | dude peter jackson took fantasy to the next level and speilberg defenatly brings the best fx to movies |
| 23:18.26 | RickJames | thats a lethal combination |
| 23:18.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.blizzard.com/press/060509.shtml |
| 23:18.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | RickJames |
| 23:18.33 | bleetah | ow |
| 23:18.35 | *** join/#wowwiki phreaky (i=phreaky@h58n15-mkb.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 23:18.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | press release from the warcraft movie |
| 23:19.14 | [Zeal] | bah.. no access hollywood in the uk it seems : / |
| 23:19.29 | Kirkburn | Cairenn, this is a pacifist channel! :P |
| 23:19.53 | Cairenn | hey, I poked him, I didn't beat him over the head with a chair :p |
| 23:20.14 | Kirkburn | hehe |
| 23:20.30 | Cairenn | Mikk ever show up to get the stuff automated? |
| 23:20.42 | Kirkburn | Nope, not been back yet |
| 23:20.44 | Kirkburn | ~seen Mikk |
| 23:21.12 | infobot | mikk <n=opera@81-233-236-26-no19.tbcn.telia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 5d 22h 42m 30s ago, saying: 'i mean.. it's just error handling'. |
| 23:21.12 | Cairenn | ko |
| 23:21.12 | RickJames | thats so rad! |
| 23:21.16 | RickJames | dude i home brian singer dosent come onboard |
| 23:21.22 | RickJames | he would so tank this movie |
| 23:21.23 | *** join/#wowwiki MentalPower|AFK (n=chatzill@adsl-72-50-121-38.prtc.net) |
| 23:21.32 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:21.33 | RickJames | hope* |
| 23:22.40 | RickJames | i wonder how come they havent put the jackson&speilberg are the directors on the site |
| 23:22.55 | RickJames | or maybe its a movie leek? |
| 23:23.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | not on the legendary Pictures website |
| 23:23.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | but will it be both together? |
| 23:23.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | or have they both showed interest to do it? |
| 23:23.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | like 1of 2 |
| 23:23.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | imagine them both working together O_O |
| 23:23.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | sick O_O |
| 23:23.42 | RickJames | no the show stated that Peter Jackson and Steven Speilberg have signed on to Direct and produce Warcraft |
| 23:23.56 | RickJames | im not sure what that means |
| 23:24.02 | RickJames | but i asume they both are working together |
| 23:24.15 | RickJames | but yeah that is going to make a major event out of this picture |
| 23:24.24 | Kirkburn | It certainly would! |
| 23:24.55 | Kirkburn | This kind of stuff isn't announced until it's really set in stone |
| 23:25.00 | [Zeal] | produce too.. hmm |
| 23:25.10 | RickJames | i think the fact that there is 7+million subscribers to wow have motivated them to put allot into this project lol |
| 23:25.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:25.31 | [Zeal] | i dunno, i remain skeptical |
| 23:25.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | no no |
| 23:25.35 | RickJames | this could def turn into a LOTR franchise |
| 23:25.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's nopt because of us 7 million |
| 23:26.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | it's because of those 6.5Miliard - 7million out there that they still want to attract |
| 23:26.18 | RickJames | yeah! very true! |
| 23:26.19 | Patrigan-Syldra | if they can get these 2 together... |
| 23:26.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | that would mean |
| 23:26.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | they can like... |
| 23:26.27 | RickJames | this is such a way to market the hell out of the game lol |
| 23:26.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | get MILLIONS of people to go nsee it.... |
| 23:26.59 | RickJames | what are they going to base the story on though? |
| 23:27.11 | RickJames | have any of you read the novels? |
| 23:27.12 | RickJames | i havent |
| 23:27.39 | bleetah | http://www.spielbergfilms.com/general/926 |
| 23:27.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | remember seeing that aswell |
| 23:28.02 | [Zeal] | well i'm confused on how any film set during or after wow can be made possible, especially for 2008. |
| 23:28.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | but then again... |
| 23:28.10 | [Zeal] | so, i'm for it being an event in the past. |
| 23:28.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | thrall's live? oO |
| 23:28.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | or perhaps a story |
| 23:28.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | which will run together with those stories... b |
| 23:28.50 | Kirkburn | Thrall's life is certainly a good possibility |
| 23:28.50 | [Zeal] | perhaps one of the books or wc2-wc3 |
| 23:28.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | tbh |
| 23:28.56 | Kirkburn | RickJames, I've read all the books |
| 23:28.58 | [Zeal] | *1-2 |
| 23:29.12 | RickJames | kirkburn? really? |
| 23:29.13 | bleetah | well, put it this way.. if they wanna make movies 2 & 3 and so forth, they've prolly learned by Lucas' mistake.. it's damned hard to start at the middle (or end) |
| 23:29.15 | RickJames | are they worth the read? |
| 23:29.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | I expect it to be something like the story from some character like tyrande or something |
| 23:29.22 | Kirkburn | There's certainly some good stuff to base movies on |
| 23:29.24 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 23:29.25 | [Zeal] | rofl bleetah |
| 23:29.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | or perhaps Kael'thas |
| 23:29.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | who knows... |
| 23:29.32 | [Zeal] | yes, they are RickJames. |
| 23:29.40 | RickJames | do they enhance the game ? |
| 23:29.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | blletah |
| 23:29.50 | Kirkburn | Yes, certainly |
| 23:29.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | bleetah |
| 23:29.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | there's one thing you forget |
| 23:29.56 | [Zeal] | Kirkburn, you've roth already? thought't you were still waiting to get it? |
| 23:29.58 | RickJames | so what book should i buy first? |
| 23:30.02 | Patrigan-Syldra | Star Wars |
| 23:30.04 | [Zeal] | *read RotH |
| 23:30.11 | Kirkburn | Okay, not aaaallll :P |
| 23:30.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | had only 1 story line |
| 23:30.14 | RickJames | star wars? lol |
| 23:30.14 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 23:30.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | Warcraft has 1000000000000000 |
| 23:30.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | and if they can't find anything |
| 23:30.32 | Kirkburn | Hah, true |
| 23:30.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | they can still put something new in it |
| 23:30.43 | Patrigan-Syldra | I mean |
| 23:30.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | why not make a whole new storyline |
| 23:30.50 | RickJames | so whats the name of the book? |
| 23:30.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | intertwined in the other... |
| 23:31.05 | Kirkburn | "he's my enemy!" ... no he's not, he just swapped, no damn, yes he is again. Nope, now he;s neutral. |
| 23:31.18 | [Zeal] | i would love to see WotA as a film, there's your triligoy right there :P |
| 23:31.31 | [Zeal] | or go right back Titans vs Old Gods ;) |
| 23:31.31 | Kirkburn | WotA would be awesome |
| 23:31.44 | Kirkburn | WotA has lots of familiar faces, importantly |
| 23:31.49 | [Zeal] | aye |
| 23:32.14 | Kirkburn | And massive battles |
| 23:32.20 | Kirkburn | Jackson likey the battles |
| 23:32.38 | [Zeal] | indeed, lol |
| 23:32.47 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://www.spielbergfilms.com/general/926 concerning that. Back then it were indeed rumours. But things change they never said that Spielberg will never consider doing it |
| 23:33.00 | [Zeal] | and plenty of palces to focus on character relationships for spielberg |
| 23:33.02 | MentalPower|AFK | At this writing, these projects are all actual, honest-to-goodness reality. There's no indication that Spielberg is developing "War of Worldcraft," "Angels and Demons" "Goonies II," "Jaws 5" or any other dream project that some fans spend days and nights talking about on film forums or chat rooms. |
| 23:33.07 | Kirkburn | More impressive battles than LotR, too |
| 23:33.09 | RickJames | dude your right |
| 23:33.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | MentalPower|AFK |
| 23:33.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | read |
| 23:33.22 | RickJames | on speilbergs site it dosent say antying about warcraft on future projets |
| 23:33.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | At this writing |
| 23:33.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | if the news is coming from yesterday |
| 23:33.34 | RickJames | why woud this tv show say that though? |
| 23:33.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | it might be possible |
| 23:33.49 | RickJames | oh i see |
| 23:34.10 | MentalPower|AFK | Patrigan-Syldra: did you read the entire post? |
| 23:34.12 | [Zeal] | E! = Entertainment, Access Hollywood = Rumors & gossip ;) |
| 23:34.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes |
| 23:34.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | I read everything |
| 23:34.31 | MentalPower|AFK | it outlines the origins of the rumor, and its path to the media |
| 23:34.31 | Patrigan-Syldra | I mean... |
| 23:34.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | yes |
| 23:34.42 | RickJames | nah access hollywood is not gossip dude |
| 23:34.45 | RickJames | its real news |
| 23:34.49 | Patrigan-Syldra | Either way |
| 23:34.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | we can't say anything for sure |
| 23:35.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | if anyone can find a tape of that Acces Hollywood |
| 23:35.04 | RickJames | they are the ones that said that that guy from the 70's show would be in spider man 3 |
| 23:35.24 | RickJames | months before there was even word about it |
| 23:36.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | well I'm currently scavenging multiple sources |
| 23:36.03 | RickJames | you should check youtube in the next following days |
| 23:36.14 | RickJames | im sure someone will post it on there |
| 23:36.18 | RickJames | as it is major news |
| 23:36.37 | RickJames | or speilbers site in the next few days |
| 23:36.41 | Kirkburn | MentalPower|AFK, remember that that post is from June 20 |
| 23:36.46 | Kirkburn | However, I am also sceptical |
| 23:37.37 | RickJames | ahhh... i just read over and found out that that is a FAN SITE |
| 23:37.41 | MentalPower|AFK | better to be skeptical, than to be let down |
| 23:37.46 | RickJames | i thought it was his real site lol |
| 23:37.56 | RickJames | i have no doubt that it is real now |
| 23:38.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | what is his fan site? |
| 23:38.05 | [Zeal] | it is gossip, just some turn out to be true. |
| 23:38.14 | RickJames | that link you posted |
| 23:38.35 | RickJames | for a sec i thought it was speilbers official site |
| 23:38.54 | [Zeal] | E! news, when i've watched it, is gossip too : / |
| 23:38.55 | RickJames | that just gave me hope :D |
| 23:39.03 | [Zeal] | lol |
| 23:39.12 | RickJames | it was not on E! news dude |
| 23:39.15 | RickJames | that show is gossip |
| 23:39.23 | RickJames | it was on Access Hollywood |
| 23:39.36 | RickJames | that show is syndicated on nbc and E! |
| 23:39.46 | [Zeal] | on E!. the whole channel is about gossip of the entertainment industry. |
| 23:40.18 | [Zeal] | hm.. i could probably say that applies to all american tv too, heh. |
| 23:40.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | Guys guys |
| 23:40.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | quit it |
| 23:40.19 | Kirkburn | We must find out more! |
| 23:40.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | idd |
| 23:40.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | instead of discussing wether or not it's gossip shows |
| 23:40.33 | RickJames | haha its funny |
| 23:40.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | start scavenging the internet |
| 23:40.40 | RickJames | indeed |
| 23:40.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | for information |
| 23:40.49 | [Zeal] | point is there isn't any info |
| 23:40.54 | Patrigan-Syldra | yet |
| 23:40.59 | [Zeal] | thats why that fan site has said what they have |
| 23:41.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | if it actually aired on hollywood thingy |
| 23:41.18 | [Zeal] | it's a lie that spiraled out of control. |
| 23:41.26 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm 100% sure it will pop up somewhere again |
| 23:41.30 | RickJames | dude i seriously doubt they would go on national tv and anounce such a major project if it wasent confirmed man |
| 23:41.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | [Zeal] it's from June >.> |
| 23:41.51 | RickJames | i have never heard of a national tv show doing that and not being true |
| 23:41.52 | RickJames | have you? |
| 23:41.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | that message on spielbergs site is from June >.> |
| 23:41.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | easy now |
| 23:42.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | all of you |
| 23:42.01 | [Zeal] | yes RickJames |
| 23:42.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | bunch of children... |
| 23:42.12 | Patrigan-Syldra | the discussion is not wether or not it's true |
| 23:42.18 | [Zeal] | and yeah ,it is from june |
| 23:42.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | we can only say that if eitherr Legendary pictures or Blizzard announces it |
| 23:42.46 | Patrigan-Syldra | the discussion should be, has it actually aired and what exactly has been said |
| 23:42.46 | RickJames | well instead of taking it with such negativity, i take this news in a postive way |
| 23:42.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | I want the exact wordings |
| 23:43.02 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:43.11 | Kirkburn | i.e. we need a recording |
| 23:43.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | the truth can only be confirmed by blizzard and or Legendary Pictures... |
| 23:43.15 | Patrigan-Syldra | indeed |
| 23:43.30 | [Zeal] | if you go by thinking they will only say facts, then there would have been a press release to confirm it before they said. from either blizzard of spielberg. neither of which has happened it would appear. |
| 23:43.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | [Zeal] |
| 23:43.56 | Patrigan-Syldra | I knew that Blood elves were the first race weeks before blizz announced it |
| 23:43.59 | Patrigan-Syldra | or the Draenei |
| 23:44.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | old news aswell when blizz announced it |
| 23:44.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | Patchnotes have leaked each and every time |
| 23:44.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | so a leak is not that uncommon |
| 23:44.40 | RickJames | well i cant remember it word by word lol, but the lady said Two of the worlds most respected and sought after directors have signed on to direct and prouduce the a video game based movie warcraft |
| 23:44.46 | [Zeal] | despite that msot patch note leaks have been fake, it was obvious and rumoured for a long time. |
| 23:45.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, not if you have the right sources [Zeal] ;) |
| 23:45.16 | RickJames | then the news focused on the online game sensation with over 7 million members world wide |
| 23:45.34 | RickJames | and that it has become one of the top icons of 2006 |
| 23:45.53 | Patrigan-Syldra | RickJames easy now |
| 23:46.01 | Patrigan-Syldra | I believe you, don't worry |
| 23:46.07 | RickJames | and that peter jackson and speilberg would be directing and producing |
| 23:46.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | we're all just skeptical to wether or not the message they delivered is true |
| 23:46.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | because |
| 23:46.19 | RickJames | well you said you wanted to know word for word lol |
| 23:46.20 | Patrigan-Syldra | well... |
| 23:46.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | let's be honest here |
| 23:46.24 | RickJames | im trying to remember how she said it lol |
| 23:46.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | yeah, but I need a tape recording :p |
| 23:46.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | and a movie XD |
| 23:46.41 | Patrigan-Syldra | and a secondary source |
| 23:46.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | preferably an insider source |
| 23:46.59 | RickJames | well i searched world of warcraft movie while she was talking |
| 23:47.03 | RickJames | and found wikipedia |
| 23:47.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | but can't grab any of my GM friends online atm (but in general they don't know this either) |
| 23:47.13 | RickJames | and came in here with the intentions to find out if anyone knew about this project |
| 23:47.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | ^^ |
| 23:47.21 | Patrigan-Syldra | well, we know about it |
| 23:47.25 | Patrigan-Syldra | but those details... |
| 23:47.33 | Patrigan-Syldra | well let's say, it's a dream idea |
| 23:47.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | and if someone announces a dream to be true |
| 23:47.45 | Patrigan-Syldra | you're always skeptical |
| 23:47.51 | RickJames | true |
| 23:47.55 | RickJames | i guess your right |
| 23:48.04 | RickJames | we wont ever know until its an official press release |
| 23:48.09 | Kirkburn | RickJames, you a WoW player? |
| 23:48.14 | RickJames | yes |
| 23:48.29 | RickJames | but that would be a dream come true speilberg and jackson |
| 23:48.34 | Kirkburn | Cool, I hope the wiki can be helpful for you =) |
| 23:48.35 | RickJames | it makes you only imagine what they both could create |
| 23:48.40 | RickJames | thanks! |
| 23:48.44 | RickJames | this site is awesome |
| 23:48.45 | Kirkburn | It would be incredible |
| 23:48.59 | RickJames | i have never found anything like this before |
| 23:49.06 | RickJames | you guys did a great job! |
| 23:49.10 | Kirkburn | I've been working on the wiki for about 6 months, amazes me how much more there is still to add! |
| 23:49.29 | RickJames | wow! |
| 23:49.34 | Patrigan-Syldra | indeed |
| 23:49.35 | RickJames | you have come a super long way in 6 months |
| 23:49.36 | Patrigan-Syldra | WoW! |
| 23:49.42 | Hobinheim | paging mod authors |
| 23:49.42 | Patrigan-Syldra | 6 months? |
| 23:49.47 | Kirkburn | Seriously, I have no idea how new pages are still being made :P |
| 23:49.50 | [Zeal] | http://www.slashfilm.com/article.php/20060620201946661 and this expresses my concerns well |
| 23:49.58 | Kirkburn | Yeah, 6 months |
| 23:50.08 | RickJames | well its a great service you have provided, and its an honor to meet you |
| 23:50.11 | RickJames | thanks for the hard work |
| 23:50.17 | [Zeal] | imo, access hollywood were probably jsut reporting on this story as they saw it around everywhere. |
| 23:50.22 | Patrigan-Syldra | "June 21" |
| 23:50.29 | Kirkburn | The wiki is older than my visits :P |
| 23:50.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | [Zeal] |
| 23:50.43 | Kirkburn | Started back in Nov 2004, really took off at the start of 2006 |
| 23:50.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | wait till we get an official announcement |
| 23:50.57 | Patrigan-Syldra | Blizzard has quite some money they can cough up you know |
| 23:51.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | and money ALWAYS attracts |
| 23:51.18 | Patrigan-Syldra | a mind changes fast when he sees the bling bling |
| 23:51.38 | [Zeal] | Patrigan-Syldra, the date is not of concern in what i'm talking about, stop pointing it out. |
| 23:51.58 | RickJames | well for what its worth it was also said that dreamworks was going to do transformers and they denied all rumors that speilberg was working on indiana jones 4 and transformers |
| 23:52.06 | RickJames | and we all know that transformers is now a reality |
| 23:52.23 | Patrigan-Syldra | and indiana jones too |
| 23:52.24 | Kirkburn | As is Indy 4 |
| 23:52.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | gah, actually can't wait to see that one XD |
| 23:52.35 | Patrigan-Syldra | even with the old cast... |
| 23:52.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | meh >.> |
| 23:52.44 | bleetah | yeah, well people will deny anything if they have the letters NDA stamped on their forehead |
| 23:52.49 | RickJames | the transformers trailor looks insane! |
| 23:52.52 | Kirkburn | If Sylvester can do Rocky at his age, Ford can do Indy :P |
| 23:52.57 | RickJames | lol |
| 23:52.58 | RickJames | true! |
| 23:53.00 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:53.06 | Patrigan-Syldra | Ford can always do indy! |
| 23:53.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | RickJames |
| 23:53.24 | [Zeal] | i thought transformers looks awful. how many version of transformers story do we need, and spin off etc. it's in double digits.. |
| 23:53.26 | RickJames | yeah hes just going to have to take is walker with him on those hill hikes |
| 23:53.29 | Patrigan-Syldra | you have a wow account right? |
| 23:53.42 | RickJames | yeah |
| 23:53.44 | Patrigan-Syldra | american I presume? |
| 23:53.47 | RickJames | yup |
| 23:54.00 | bleetah | i wish they'd do another evil dead |
| 23:54.05 | Patrigan-Syldra | good trolling alt? |
| 23:54.37 | Patrigan-Syldra | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/board.html?forumId=10001&sid=1 Gogo, make a post (under an alts nickname or sumething) regarding the news from Acces hollywood |
| 23:54.43 | RickJames | i would really like to see a remake of close encounters of the third kind |
| 23:55.04 | Patrigan-Syldra | want to see how fast it gets locked / deleted / commented on |
| 23:55.27 | Patrigan-Syldra | gah... |
| 23:55.27 | RickJames | why would it? |
| 23:55.49 | RickJames | you think they might ban me for puting that information on there? |
| 23:55.50 | Patrigan-Syldra | information unrelesased by blizzard but the truth in general gets deleted fast |
| 23:56.03 | RickJames | you post it lol |
| 23:56.08 | Kirkburn | No, you can't get banned for it |
| 23:56.13 | bleetah | I will |
| 23:56.16 | Patrigan-Syldra | Depends on your wording, if you point at "I've seen at acces hollywood that:... Is it true?" |
| 23:56.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | I'm europe |
| 23:56.27 | Kirkburn | If you say it was announced on Access Hollywood, anyway |
| 23:56.30 | Patrigan-Syldra | so I can't post on american forums |
| 23:56.39 | RickJames | if they are keeping it hush hush is probably for financial reasons |
| 23:56.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | Knowing blizzard |
| 23:57.03 | Patrigan-Syldra | they have a {{SpeedyDelete}} for such topics |
| 23:57.04 | Kirkburn | They might warn you if they're really bothered, but they wouldn't ban you for asking a reasonable question |
| 23:57.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:57.17 | Patrigan-Syldra | I've seen many posts get deleted |
| 23:57.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | regarding unreleased information |
| 23:57.26 | RickJames | im going to check my tivo to see if they are going to reschedule that show on another network so ic an record it |
| 23:57.55 | Patrigan-Syldra | Seriously >.> how can the americans even survive their forums |
| 23:57.58 | Kirkburn | Patrigan-Syldra, talked about on national TV is unreleased :P |
| 23:58.02 | Kirkburn | *isn't! |
| 23:58.10 | Patrigan-Syldra | XD |
| 23:58.11 | Patrigan-Syldra | true |
| 23:58.13 | Patrigan-Syldra | but still |
| 23:58.24 | Patrigan-Syldra | depending on how they got the word |
| 23:58.28 | Patrigan-Syldra | RickJames |
| 23:58.32 | Patrigan-Syldra | did they say anything bout that |
| 23:58.38 | Patrigan-Syldra | from where they got the information? |
| 23:58.49 | RickJames | its scheduled to come on again at 12:00 AM today |
| 23:58.58 | RickJames | i will record it |
| 23:59.14 | Patrigan-Syldra | do it, but make sure you can put it on your computer >.> |
| 23:59.15 | RickJames | no |
| 23:59.22 | RickJames | they didint |
| 23:59.27 | RickJames | i have an ALl in wonder card |
| 23:59.29 | RickJames | ill record it on here |
| 23:59.39 | Patrigan-Syldra | I remember asking another american to recrd something for me |
| 23:59.40 | Patrigan-Syldra | he did |
| 23:59.42 | bleetah | searching AH's website for warcraft returns no results |
| 23:59.48 | Patrigan-Syldra | but he couldn't get his VHC tape on the internet >.> |
| 23:59.58 | Patrigan-Syldra | well |
| 23:59.59 | RickJames | haha |
