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| 17:46.37 | mitch0 | . |
| 17:47.27 | mitch0 | .. |
| 17:47.36 | mitch0 | dammit irssi is broken |
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| 17:53.46 | Mr_Rabies | i couldn't do a terminal-type irc client like irssi, i'm so accustomed to mirc |
| 17:54.02 | mitch0 | ugh... |
| 17:54.07 | mitch0 | mirc is teh sux |
| 17:54.25 | mitch0 | :) |
| 17:54.25 | Mr_Rabies | i've had literally zero issues with it over the years, other than khaled rescinding his lifetime license |
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| 17:55.16 | Mr_Rabies | which is really dumb, but i wrote a pretty stern email and got a key that will last until ???? from him |
| 17:55.18 | mitch0 | well, the biggest issue is that it runs on windows :) |
| 17:56.00 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, i hate windows 10 quite a bit, but it's still much better than any other OS you can actually use nowadays |
| 17:56.28 | Mr_Rabies | at least pro versions are easy to turn junk off with |
| 17:56.38 | mitch0 | *shrug*, been using linux since forever, so for me it's much better than windows |
| 17:56.47 | mitch0 | (any version) |
| 17:57.25 | Mr_Rabies | i've tried various flavors of linux for years and it seems like outside of specific goals like server hosting etc it's basically going to forever be "not quite ready" |
| 17:57.42 | Mr_Rabies | i even putzed around with ubuntu on my playstation 3 at one point |
| 17:58.02 | Mr_Rabies | which was a terrible overall experience but fun to get working |
| 17:58.20 | mitch0 | Mr_Rabies: well, if you want to give it another try in the future, try arch + kde |
| 17:58.39 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not a big fan of kde's overall.... look |
| 17:58.59 | Mr_Rabies | no matter what is done with it it always seems to look like programmer art |
| 17:59.07 | mitch0 | yeah, the new look sux, but you can easily revert to plastik + oxygen icons |
| 17:59.15 | Cairenn | Tracking numbers 001-041 submitted to Bizz for TBC Classic Beta |
| 17:59.25 | mitch0 | yay! |
| 18:00.37 | mitch0 | Mr_Rabies: anyway, I'm no evangelist. if you're confortable on windows, stay there for all I care :) |
| 18:00.44 | Mr_Rabies | hopefully it's not gonna be a nightmare for you guys to maintain a tbc, classic, and modern version of addons, it already sounds like it's a mess with just two interface implementations |
| 18:01.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm really not that comfortable on windows, there are so many things i hate about win 10, but i do have an enterprise key so i can really rip out a lot of the garbage if i want |
| 18:01.46 | Mr_Rabies | if it wasn't for lack of security updates and basically really only working in 32-bit i'd probably still be using windows xp ngl |
| 18:02.39 | Mr_Rabies | windows xp 64-bit was always a phantom at best |
| 18:12.03 | znf | I've worked on Linux for pretty much my entire career |
| 18:12.13 | znf | My desktop OS of choice will still be Windows |
| 18:12.18 | znf | ain't nobody got time for Linux on the desktop. |
| 18:13.36 | Vardex | A tiling window manager feel so much better |
| 18:13.36 | Mr_Rabies | i legit used windows 7 for like a year after the EOL because i didn't want to go to 10, but i upgraded to a newer pc that requires some pretty shady kernel-level hacks to use with windows 7, and i didn't really want to deal with that |
| 18:14.11 | znf | I never got the appeal of a "tiling window manager" |
| 18:14.13 | znf | I don't see the point of it |
| 18:14.19 | Mr_Rabies | i use all my apps full screen generally speaking, so tiling isn't that useful |
| 18:14.27 | znf | same |
| 18:14.38 | Mr_Rabies | tiling is for stuff i don't want to interact with, but want a static display |
| 18:14.51 | znf | tiling terminal (termux)? sign me up! |
| 18:15.17 | Mr_Rabies | so like, my second monitor has semi-tiled stuff using window's DWM |
| 18:15.30 | znf | I have 2 monitors, I rarely use my 2nd one |
| 18:15.34 | znf | 90% of the time it's turned off |
| 18:15.48 | znf | I just do my stuff much faster with a single one in most cases |
| 18:17.12 | znf | The only time I do turn it on is when there's a long task that requires some user intervention from time to time, and I can do something else in the meanwhile |
| 18:17.27 | Mr_Rabies | i just have like, steam, discord, and mirc on my second monitor, generally full screened on one or the other |
| 18:17.38 | Mr_Rabies | sometimes i'll pull up a video while i'm goofing off in wow or something |
| 18:17.41 | znf | like - I'll play a game on my primary monitor while installing a server remotely via IPMI |
| 18:17.43 | Mr_Rabies | and throw it on there |
| 18:18.27 | znf | and back to Linux, with WSL being a thing for quite a while now, I really don't feel like I'd get any more productivity out of Linux on the desktop |
| 18:18.56 | znf | Not to mention I'd have to run so many things either in a VM or via emulation layers like WINE which constantly need tinkering |
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| 21:19.39 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.wowhead.com/news/alpha-project-finds-addon-that-prompted-the-auction-house-321624 |
| 21:19.41 | Mr_Rabies | this is pretty wild |
| 21:44.33 | Industrial | Cosmos, I remember that. |
| 21:44.40 | Industrial | Rowne |
| 21:44.43 | Industrial | the flashbacks! |
| 21:46.33 | Mr_Rabies | yup cosmos and CTRA were my jam back in the day |
| 21:47.36 | AcidWeb | Damn. Cosmos. |
| 21:47.40 | AcidWeb | Now I feel old ;p |
| 21:49.51 | Mr_Rabies | the new bnet icon is gonna get me confused with qbittorrent for months now i can already tell |
| 21:54.16 | Vardex | I think that the new logo is quite similar to electron logo |
| 21:56.54 | Mr_Rabies | design wise yeah, certainly |
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| 21:57.37 | nevcairiel | i dont like the new color, it looks so generic |
| 22:10.24 | Ennea | new bnet logo again? |
| 22:10.37 | Ennea | do they not remember the drama from last time? :D |
| 22:14.40 | Mr_Rabies | pretty much all the people that cared are no longer blizzard customers so they're trying again |
| 22:16.33 | Ennea | is it still called battle.net at least? |
| 22:16.44 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's just joining the simplification trend |
| 22:16.46 | Ennea | because that was honestly the most idiotic change the last time around |
| 22:16.55 | znf | I was just looking at my bar |
| 22:17.03 | znf | and I couldn't recognize the icon |
| 22:17.19 | Ennea | can you post a screenshot of the new one? |
| 22:17.35 | Ennea | i just fired up the b.net client, but it doesn't seem to want to update. and i have no clue how i can make it |
| 22:18.40 | znf | Ennea, https://i.imgur.com/KRh2TXF.png |
| 22:19.06 | znf | there, better: https://i.imgur.com/hniS2TG.png |
| 22:19.15 | Ennea | not too bad i guess. still a weird change when they could've just.. not changed it |
| 22:20.24 | nevcairiel | i prefered the icon darker blue |
| 22:20.45 | nevcairiel | or rather the blue swirl on dark background |
| 22:20.49 | Ennea | yea |
| 22:20.51 | Ennea | it's more iconic |
| 22:20.52 | nevcairiel | instead of white on neutral blue |
| 22:20.58 | Ennea | pun intended |
| 22:21.21 | znf | It doesn't have any blizzard feel to it |
| 22:21.33 | Ennea | it's very fitting, then |
| 22:21.39 | znf | It looks like "generic electron app" |
| 22:21.39 | Ennea | because blizzard has lost a ton of its blizzard feel |
| 22:22.08 | Mr_Rabies | i would say redesigned for no reason except some suit pushing it is pretty much the blizzard feel nowadays |
| 22:22.33 | Ennea | :/ |
| 22:22.38 | Ennea | it makes me sad that you're right |
| 22:22.55 | nevcairiel | as long as they spent their energy on icons instead of screwing up games, let them :P |
| 22:23.25 | Ennea | eh.. i have no hope left, i dunno |
| 22:23.38 | Ennea | if VV takes care of the d2 remake, i suppose that will be pretty cool |
| 22:23.42 | Ennea | but that's just a remake |
| 22:24.51 | nevcairiel | they are owned by activision now as well, so not sure that would be the huge difference anymore :D |
| 22:25.20 | nevcairiel | but at least they are saying all the right things about d2, we'll see |
| 22:25.51 | Ennea | yea, but that's just d2 |
| 22:26.01 | Ennea | d2 is still fucking cool even if you play the original |
| 22:26.14 | Ennea | what about wc3 refunded? |
| 22:26.21 | Ennea | they're not even going to bother fixing that mess? |
| 22:26.33 | Ennea | drove overwatch into a wall, too |
| 22:26.50 | Ennea | i'm cautiously optimistic about d4, because what we've seen so far looks quite nice |
| 22:40.17 | Mr_Rabies | honestly, people blame the activision/blizzard merger way too much just because bobby kotick is a jerk, but you are the company you keep, and they haven't been truly independent since the silicon & synapse days |
| 22:40.33 | Mr_Rabies | if anything they're more independent now than they were under vivendi |
| 22:41.20 | Mr_Rabies | it's just... all the founders have made the money they want to make and they're retiring or going elsewhere, and the brain drain is very clear |
| 22:45.44 | Mr_Rabies | or at least most of them, i'm sure there are a few founders kicking around there still |
| 23:14.49 | znf | let's be honest here - we're also grown up and our standards have shifted |
| 23:15.08 | znf | 15 years ago I had no idea who Metzner or Morheim were |
| 23:15.39 | znf | And the whole gaming industry had much worse quality standards back then |
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