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| 17:21.21 | znf | Mythic+ Items Obtained Before Patch 9.0.5 Cannot Be Upgraded with Valor Points |
| 17:21.21 | znf | wat |
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| 17:57.49 | Continuity | I am not surprised, but still disappointed. |
| 18:49.54 | znf | I've seen 1 x IQD in all my DoS runs... |
| 19:26.35 | Chipzz | znf: :( |
| 19:27.13 | Chipzz | znf: but see, my complaint is still valid; you have to have stuff drop first before you can upgrade anything. System doesn't help if you're deined drops |
| 20:12.19 | Gnarfoz | [19:17:14] <Vardex> That stupid if that the case, warcraftlogs companion is allowed which export data from the game probably by reading memory <-- what makes you think it does anything like that? |
| 20:16.27 | Continuity | How else would you get live-data from group finder queue? |
| 20:21.00 | Gnarfoz | hm, I saw nothing like that advertised in the announcement |
| 20:21.44 | Gnarfoz | ah, I see what you mean |
| 20:21.47 | Continuity | It is a feature. You can see it update instantly after someone joins and check their data from warcraftlogs in the in-game overlay. |
| 20:22.27 | Gnarfoz | that does seem bad, considering there's no in-game addon to help achieve that |
| 20:22.34 | Gnarfoz | (which would still be bad, I guess) |
| 20:26.53 | Continuity | I remember some mumble plugin which would read player position data to feed into 3D positioning sound. |
| 20:37.55 | Gnarfoz | yeah, I do as well, mentioned here as well: https://wiki.mumble.info/wiki/Games |
| 20:38.11 | Gnarfoz | it doesn't go into detail how or if you need a plugin (which would indicate it's included with Mumble now?) |
| 20:39.03 | Gnarfoz | uhm yeah https://github.com/mumble-voip/mumble/blob/master/plugins/wow_x64/wow_x64.cpp :p |
| 20:39.48 | Gnarfoz | (or rather, the other one, since there's no Wow-64.exe anymore |
| 20:40.00 | Continuity | Yeah. I tried building something like that for TS some years back |
| 20:41.30 | Gnarfoz | I remember https://github.com/thorwe/CrossTalk |
| 20:42.28 | Gnarfoz | but that supports even fewer games than Mumble does :D https://github.com/thorwe/CrossTalk/wiki/Positional-Audio#supported-gamesenvironments |
| 20:49.04 | znf | what is this crazyness |
| 20:49.42 | Gnarfoz | old stuff |
| 21:16.55 | Elmoe | This Warcraftlogs companion is interesting, I had not seen that before. However, I doubt it is doing anything funny similar to the Mumble plug-in. It looks powered by WoW game events from Overwolf whom I would hazzard a guess has permission from Blizzard to use some private API the rest of us don't have access to. |
| 21:19.06 | Continuity | This most likely. |
| 21:20.57 | Vardex | From what I heard Overwolf read memory and/or network packet to make info accessible for apps on their platform |
| 21:21.39 | Elmoe | I'm extremely doubtful Overwolf who is trying to run a business on this stuff would run afoul of Blizzard in that way but I guess we just don't know. |
| 21:22.09 | Continuity | Network traffic... This has quite some abuse potential... |
| 21:27.26 | Vardex | Looking at their api doc for game like hearhstone, they have a status page and not all "event" or "status update" are currently working |
| 21:27.54 | Vardex | If it was some blizzard thing I don't think those would have been broken by some update |
| 21:29.01 | Continuity | Well, at least not "broken" in terms of "needs work/time to fix" but rather "here's the update". |
| 21:30.09 | Vardex | >The process of getting the game data in real time is rather complicated and different for each game. Usually, we need to reverse engineer the game in different ways and methods, generally at the low level: |
| 21:30.09 | Vardex | network protocols, packet structures and network messages analyzing, OCR and image recognition, real-time memory maps and log and files reading. |
| 21:30.09 | Vardex | Some games integrate our events SDK 68 and expose it directly - various ways to read and analyze. |
| 21:30.09 | Vardex | The important thing is that we process all the data and offer it in a very easy to use javascript API so that you can consume it easily! |
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| 21:31.08 | caytchen | saw you folks discussing so I was curious and had a look |
| 21:31.15 | caytchen | and the WoW overwatch thing is definitely reading memory |
| 21:31.21 | caytchen | aka straight ToS violation |
| 21:33.27 | Vardex | Blizzard have no way to detect memory reading anyway and Overwolf might have an authorization to do it |
| 21:34.45 | caytchen | if you want to ban it you just check for their plugin in your memory space |
| 21:37.06 | Vardex | But I think Blizzard won't do anything, Overwolf also have API for other blizzard games and afaik they never got blocked/banned |
| 21:37.19 | caytchen | we're talking about the company that sued to declare memory reading a DMCA violation |
| 21:38.13 | Vardex | They have API for Hearthstone (partially working with current patch), Heroes of the Storm, Overwatch and StarCraft II |
| 21:39.27 | Vardex | And a few years back I know that some hearthstone Overwolf app was very popular (some deck building helper) |
| 21:39.50 | Ennea | caytchen, wait, blizzard did? lol |
| 21:42.37 | caytchen | that was MDY Industries, LLC v. Blizzard Entertainment, Inc. if you are curious |
| 21:43.49 | Ennea | ohh, the glider case |
| 21:44.12 | Ennea | what an absurd argument though... reading memory is a dmca violation, because of course... |
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| 22:21.21 | znf | at least this companion seems faster than the normal app :P |
| 22:30.16 | znf | Speaking of WarcraftLogs - I still have the old Adobe AIR uploader on my system |
| 22:30.21 | znf | and I have no idea how to uninstall it |
| 22:31.18 | znf | I have the old .air, running it gives me the option to uninstall |
| 22:31.25 | znf | but nothing really happens |
| 22:31.47 | znf | and by that I mean it throws an error: https://i.imgur.com/U1i5p9S.png |
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