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| 17:57.01 | *** topic/#wowuidev is 8.3 ToC: 80300 || 1.13 ToC: 11303 || http://pastebin.com || Discord: https://discord.gg/sVQCHr5 || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl |
| 18:31.04 | foxlit | AcidWeb: ping |
| 18:35.23 | AcidWeb | pong |
| 18:38.15 | foxlit | I think I PM'ed you stuff a couple of hours ago; did that work or am I imagining things? |
| 18:39.02 | AcidWeb | If you pmed it on IRC then it is safe in /dev/null. |
| 18:40.51 | AcidWeb | Fell free to try again but on Discord this time ð |
| 18:40.52 | foxlit | That's unfortunate. I might need to acquire the services of some carrier pidgeons. |
| 18:43.28 | foxlit | I wanted your comments on https://www.townlong-yak.com/addons/about/update-api |
| 18:46.15 | AcidWeb | ð® |
| 18:46.40 | AcidWeb | I'm starting the raid now but I will check it right after it. |
| 18:49.44 | AcidWeb | Approach looks very interesting. |
| 18:51.51 | Mr_Rabies | man i really should not have powered through the adventures using the meme build for night fae |
| 18:52.08 | Mr_Rabies | leveling my dudes is taking forever now because they're always dead |
| 18:52.26 | AcidWeb | foxlit: I would suggest to add /v1/ somewhere in api uri. /addons/api/v1/... so you have mechanism to implement breaking changes. |
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| 18:55.20 | AcidWeb | update flow is quite fancy but I would still add endpoint that return current state of all addons on the site |
| 18:56.59 | AcidWeb | and make sure all endpoints are reasonable cached |
| 18:57.13 | AcidWeb | so payloads are not computed on every request |
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| 19:12.40 | AcidWeb | Initial api/install-bundle call don't contain information about current version |
| 19:12.47 | AcidWeb | unless you wan to extract that from uri |
| 19:19.30 | foxlit | "I would suggest to add /v1/ somewhere in api uri." << I think I can always add /v2/ or -v2 later. |
| 19:22.19 | foxlit | "add endpoint that return current state of all addons on the site" << not sure how that would be useful. |
| 19:23.37 | AcidWeb | to have source of data that can be used to construct catalog of available addons |
| 19:24.30 | AcidWeb | JSON version of this page: https://www.townlong-yak.com/addons/latest |
| 19:28.21 | foxlit | but, like, why? |
| 19:30.03 | AcidWeb | every source provide such option |
| 19:30.10 | AcidWeb | and it is used by third party updaters |
| 19:30.16 | foxlit | what is it used for? |
| 19:30.56 | AcidWeb | to collect information what addons are provided by source in bulk |
| 19:31.10 | AcidWeb | that data have multiple uses |
| 19:31.19 | AcidWeb | auto-completion for example |
| 19:44.10 | foxlit | That seems rather underwhelming for the cost. |
| 19:44.47 | foxlit | "so payloads are not computed on every request" << already does that. You can even send conditional http requests. |
| 19:44.54 | AcidWeb | ok |
| 19:45.14 | AcidWeb | well you wanted the feedback - that type of endpoint is used by every updater currently |
| 19:45.23 | AcidWeb | i will just hardcode the list if it will be missing |
| 19:45.32 | AcidWeb | with few addons that is not a problem |
| 19:46.40 | foxlit | for some subset of sites. I don't imagine "give me all the addons hosted at github" exists. |
| 19:47.30 | AcidWeb | github is exception |
| 19:50.32 | AcidWeb | only one |
| 19:51.24 | AcidWeb | WTB version data in api/install-bundle so know what version specifically you getting currently - not only "latest" |
| 19:52.51 | foxlit | It's missing because I don't want people to poll that endpoint as an update mechanism. |
| 19:56.14 | AcidWeb | well you still can get it from regexing the url |
| 19:58.12 | AcidWeb | would be nice up payload would contain some information about the update - link to the changelog or changelog in plain text |
| 19:59.57 | foxlit | re and hi, respectively. |
| 20:01.57 | AcidWeb | ah i'm blind |
| 20:07.05 | Meorawr | Doesn't the first-install flow have a potential condition where a client on a 14.4k modem could download an addon and then by the time it gets around to querying the /addons/us/new endpoint a new update released and the bundle token changed? |
| 20:07.42 | foxlit | I contemplated masking the filename in download links, but meh, it's user input. You're as likely to find a usable version there as oranges-and-kittens. |
| 20:09.21 | foxlit | Meorawr: in principle, yes. Probably should obtain the update bundle token first. |
| 20:10.01 | AcidWeb | Well we need information what version we installing during initial installation. |
| 20:10.13 | AcidWeb | "Latest" is not version number. |
| 20:21.52 | AcidWeb | So i need to parse all /addons/us/ in loop until current is true to have all data? |
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| 20:44.57 | AcidWeb | foxlit: Not counting that few minor things it is great work. |
| 20:45.09 | AcidWeb | I really like that update flow. |
| 20:47.40 | foxlit | I think you're actually okay during the initial install: just pull Version out of the toc if you need to display it. The case where the user already has the addon installed and you just don't know about it is a bit weirder, but a generic "Replace local version with the one from <addon url>, or wait for future updates?" prompt might be answerable. |
| 20:50.28 | foxlit | You may need to parse multiple /addons/us/ bundles until you encounter one with current=true. This is more of an exception than the rule. |
| 20:51.51 | foxlit | I expect that you'll get a current bundle almost always; I just need a back-stop in case you start requesting things from a year ago. |
| 20:56.35 | AcidWeb | Parsing toc is unnecessary convoluted. |
| 20:56.59 | AcidWeb | I'm going to get that version from url if no other source will be avaible. |
| 20:58.24 | AcidWeb | Exception or not parser of that endpoint need to support it. |
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| 21:40.45 | foxlit | well, you can display the filename if you want, but keep in mind that the file names, file versions, toc versions, and release names are all entirely independent of each other. |
| 21:41.30 | foxlit | (and additionally there may be situations where a canonically lower version is preferable to a canonically higher one) |
| 21:43.02 | Gnarfoz | [19:52:08] <Mr_Rabies> leveling my dudes is taking forever now because they're always dead <-- I'm in the same boat, but... it does not take forever because they're dead (that has no impact on gaining XP), it's because NF is so OP, and accordingly, we're so far behind the intended curve... |
| 21:43.08 | foxlit | The nicer side-effect of this update scheme is that you never need to compare versions: there'a always a designated "best" version to run for a given client/game version/release cycle tolerance. |
| 21:43.45 | foxlit | I'm pretty sure the tail end of those missions is just infinished content |
| 21:44.22 | foxlit | It's basically the same 500 XP / 4 hours on all missions, and the amount of XP required to level keeps going up. |
| 21:45.13 | AcidWeb | foxlit: I dont have any choice |
| 21:45.35 | foxlit | hm? |
| 21:46.50 | znf | that api seems over-engineered :P |
| 21:47.56 | AcidWeb | foxlit: I personally need version of addon before installation. |
| 21:48.08 | AcidWeb | But I will workaround it in some what. |
| 21:48.14 | AcidWeb | Any api is better than none. |
| 21:48.20 | foxlit | Can I just always return 4? |
| 21:48.21 | AcidWeb | *someway |
| 21:49.24 | foxlit | or e.g. 2021-01-18? |
| 21:49.37 | znf | latest.json: { path: '/files-path', projects: [ m6: { latest: 'ponies' }, opie: { latest: 'rabbits' } ] } |
| 21:51.48 | Gnarfoz | is there a particular reason you fancy hard to compare compare versioning schemes? |
| 21:54.07 | foxlit | For the most part, every versioning scheme you might think is hard to compare is actually comaprable by Lua's <. |
| 21:54.29 | AcidWeb | foxlit: So do you plan to implement any major changes soon or we can start to work on the code that will use this api? |
| 21:54.35 | Gnarfoz | probably, but that's not what I meant =D |
| 21:55.06 | Mr_Rabies | Gnarfoz: however, it does if you actually want to get missions accomplished and not waste anima :( |
| 21:55.19 | Mr_Rabies | like get the reward lol |
| 21:55.27 | foxlit | AcidWeb: I don't have any changes that would remove described functionality planned. |
| 21:55.35 | AcidWeb | k |
| 21:55.50 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: sure, but that's not strictly related to leveling them. it's a different goal |
| 21:56.19 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I got an actual response re your "I can't even figure out what the data I'm supposed to consent to being transferred is." thing from Overwolf btw and dumped it your Discord's #general earlier |
| 21:56.21 | foxlit | I might add additional data fields in the future if they do something useful |
| 21:56.24 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, i guess, but not getting any xp missions sucks and i wouldn't have jumped through it so fast if i knew they disappeared at a certain point |
| 21:56.37 | Gnarfoz | (pretty sure that won't change anything at this point, I was just curious myself) |
| 21:57.37 | Gnarfoz | Mr_Rabies: just push further until you regularly get 10-14h missions with 1500 base xp. those are easy enough to farm (well, most of the time, without getting the reward... you still get the xp, of course) |
| 21:59.21 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: for the most part, I just use major.minor. |
| 22:00.59 | foxlit | there are like two exceptions, and one of them is just a date. |
| 22:03.46 | AcidWeb | foxlit: https://www.townlong-yak.com/addons/api/update-bundle/war-plan |
| 22:03.59 | AcidWeb | ah install |
| 22:04.27 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: "dumped it your Discord's #general earlier" << yes, but do you think it's an accurate description? There seem to be a lot of annoying little nitpicks. |
| 22:04.46 | foxlit | I got a laugh out of "Under internet protocols, Twitch were not allowed..." |
| 22:05.26 | foxlit | (and I can't find whatever "This information is actually provided when..." is referencing.) |
| 22:05.49 | foxlit | But hey, this is already doing better than my GDPR request to Twitch. |
| 22:23.25 | AcidWeb | foxlit: Well I have initial reviews of your api. But I will not quote them. |
| 22:23.45 | AcidWeb | Lets say everybody have strong opinions but we are humbled you added one. |
| 22:25.28 | Mr_Rabies | <Gnarfoz> Mr_Rabies: just push further until you regularly get 10-14h missions with 1500 base xp. those are easy enough to farm (well, most of the time, without getting the reward... you still get the xp, of course) |
| 22:25.53 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but they eat 50 anima per and i can't even reliably complete the anima missions without dreamweaver lol |
| 22:26.28 | nevcairiel | missions are not supposed to increase your anima^^ |
| 22:27.03 | Mr_Rabies | i mean, some of them are |
| 22:27.06 | foxlit | The anima ones tend to spawn whenever I have sent everyone out on decade-long missions, guaranteeing that they'll expire before anyone returns. |
| 22:27.26 | Mr_Rabies | and i'm glad they at least have that |
| 22:27.43 | Mr_Rabies | with whatever the resource was in BFA, i just ran out and stopped doing missions for basically the rest of the expansion lol |
| 22:27.54 | Mr_Rabies | at least i can get anima from missions again lol |
| 22:28.24 | Mr_Rabies | cause i'm certainly not going to do a 40-chapter world quest that isn't there for a calling |
| 22:30.42 | Mr_Rabies | but yeah don't rush through your adventure table campaign unless you want a bunch of level 60 quests you can't do because your highest followers are level 35 lol |
| 22:30.52 | foxlit | If it's anything like war resources, it'll probably just rain anima in 9.1. |
| 22:31.22 | AcidWeb | @foxlit Can you provide some older ID so we can see sample addons/us output? |
| 22:31.35 | Mr_Rabies | i think i stopped doing world quests before 8.1 so i was pretty much always out of war resources, but i didn't really need them either |
| 22:32.43 | foxlit | AcidWeb: 0032383937f9d |
| 22:32.54 | AcidWeb | thx |
| 22:33.03 | Mr_Rabies | don't do it its a virus AcidWeb |
| 22:33.05 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 22:33.40 | AcidWeb | I work with wow addons for 10y. |
| 22:33.47 | AcidWeb | Can't get more brain damaged. |
| 22:34.42 | foxlit | (or was it 9.3?) |
| 23:01.59 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: "Internet Protocols" had me thinking "v4 or v6?" :D -- the page they're referring to is https://account-transfer.curseforge.com/, but I can't use that since I transferred long ago. Also, at least for me, it was opt-in from the beginning. Your blog post says it was opt out for you. Maybe they were unable to tell that you're in the EU? who knows. ð¤·ââï¸ |
| 23:02.50 | foxlit | "learn more" there just links to https://support.overwolf.com/en/support/solutions/articles/9000196375-transferring-your-account |
| 23:03.33 | Gnarfoz | I think they mean the actual button, i.e. maybe they mean it will say after logging into Twitch? that's slightly too far into "have I already consented now?" territory, if I was sceptical about consenting. :D |
| 23:04.56 | foxlit | ... there's no confirmation after the twitch login flow. |
| 23:06.18 | foxlit | I have no words for how much of a circus this whole "consent" is. |
| 23:08.07 | Gnarfoz | also, the whole "let's make this look like it's anonymous, even though the files still contain similarly identifiable information, and continue to distribute it regardless" |
| 23:09.04 | Gnarfoz | I mean, making it an opt-in for everyone, not just for clearly superior EU beings (:P), and also stopping distribution for everyone who does not opt in seems like a win-win |
| 23:09.35 | Gnarfoz | 1) doing the right thing 2) saving space and traffic! can get rid of all the stuff that wasn't opted in |
| 23:09.59 | Gnarfoz | (well, could keep those with a compatible licence...) |
| 23:12.33 | Gnarfoz | moving something from more than a decade of being subject to US laws to being subject to Israel laws applying can't be fun, either :P who knows how well versed they are in these things (not *very*, it seems like) |
| 23:15.02 | Chipzz | I wish blizzard would fix LFR to make it impossible for a raid group to start an encounter while people are still zoning in |
| 23:15.25 | Chipzz | just got fucked out of loot because I wasn't even able to zone in before some asshat started the encounter :S |
| 23:15.34 | foxlit | ffxiv fixes that problem /twice/. |
| 23:15.52 | Chipzz | an hour in the queue for NOTHING |
| 23:16.16 | foxlit | first by not letting anyone move anywhere before everyone has finished loading, and then by letting people port into the locked encounter area. |
| 23:16.22 | Chipzz | great fun! 2 thumbs up!! |
| 23:16.38 | Gnarfoz | didn't you get the memo? NO FUN ALLOWED |
| 23:17.18 | Chipzz | just got another group, and guess what... |
| 23:17.21 | Chipzz | 1/3 bosses down |
| 23:17.30 | Chipzz | so I get to queue THREE times for the same instance |
| 23:17.35 | Chipzz | FFS |
| 23:18.26 | foxlit | Or, and here me out here, you could just never queue for a raid again. |
| 23:18.49 | foxlit | Not like the loot is worth the trouble. |
| 23:19.06 | Chipzz | also |
| 23:19.15 | Chipzz | I wish blizzard would delete DHs |
| 23:19.24 | Chipzz | the amount of entitlement coming frmo that class... |
| 23:23.15 | Chipzz | the "new" classes are always THE WORST |
| 23:23.43 | Chipzz | people appear to think they are "specuhl" because they play a "hero" class |
| 23:23.51 | Chipzz | DK in WotLK had the exact same problem |
| 23:24.40 | Chipzz | DKs needing on agility weapons, of course, because they're "specuhl" because Blizzard told them they are a "Hero Class" |
| 23:31.11 | Chipzz | no such problem with monks when they were introduced. probably related to the fact that they weren't a hero class and had to start at level 1 |
| 23:37.53 | Chipzz | probably also related to the fact that both DKs and DHs were poorly tuned and OP, attracting a lot of people being the FOTM class, so also attracting more ********s |
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