| 00:00.33 | foxlit | znf: weird that that can happen, but completely ignorable for that addon. |
| 00:03.37 | znf | foxlit, probably server lag? |
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| 00:32.22 | Ammako | my game is cursed or something |
| 00:36.55 | Ammako | how am I supposed to get quest completion data if wow api thinks my character doesnt exist |
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| 00:56.19 | Mr_Rabies | The WoW API is dormant here, cut off from Azeroth's life force. |
| 00:58.32 | Ammako | "We could not load Ammako on US-Emerald Dream from Blizzard Battle.net. Blizzard returned this error message: Not Found" |
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| 02:50.54 | Elmoe | Bummer they finally shut down the beta realms. The days of easy testing with pre-made toons are ended for now :/ |
| 03:27.05 | znf | RIP my troop levels |
| 03:27.09 | znf | I got 2 followers in Thorgast |
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| 06:40.22 | Ammako | don't you hate when a quest item complains "Can't do that while moving", even though you're not moving, so the only option is to abandon quest and start over hoping it doesn't bug out again |
| 06:46.44 | jadiilelz | lol |
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| 10:46.18 | Gnarfoz | znf: seems XP on follower XP missions is not split |
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| 10:51.27 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: do you still need more data, btw? |
| 11:15.57 | foxlit | always |
| 11:33.41 | Semlar | foxlit: do you know if there's a way to automatically set the fenv for every file in an addon? |
| 11:36.15 | Semlar | i thought an xml file might be able to apply one to the included scripts, but i can't find a way to make it work |
| 11:37.52 | Semlar | i want to create a shared global environment without calling a function in every file |
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| 11:39.38 | nevcairiel | dont think you can do that |
| 11:43.39 | foxlit | I find your idea terrible and wish to unsubscribe from your newsletter. |
| 11:43.41 | Semlar | there's a ScopedModifier xml element with a "scriptsUseGivenEnv" attribute, but it doesn't seem like it can be applied to included scripts |
| 11:43.59 | Semlar | how dare you |
| 11:47.12 | foxlit | Imagine, you're reading a perfectly normal Lua file. But its globals are not from _G. But nothing in the file tells you this. |
| 11:50.06 | Semlar | ah but you see it would save me from adding 2 lines to the top of every file |
| 11:50.52 | Semlar | making it harder for other people to read is just an added bonus |
| 11:53.06 | foxlit | besides, just leak all your state into _G like a normal person |
| 11:53.46 | Semlar | i guess i could just make a global variable to hold everything and reference that instead of the addon table |
| 11:54.05 | Semlar | that's less fun though |
| 11:58.35 | Semlar | also coming back to lua after writing a ton of javascript makes me wish tables had a map() function |
| 11:59.49 | nevcairiel | write one :P |
| 12:00.17 | nevcairiel | its not exactly a complex pattern |
| 12:00.43 | Semlar | it would have to just be a boring normal function since you can't add custom methods to all tables |
| 12:02.43 | Semlar | writing map(t, etc) just isn't as cool as writing t:map(etc) |
| 12:04.53 | Semlar | i suppose i could call a function that returns a table with the map method instead of creating tables with {} |
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| 12:06.48 | foxlit | I wonder if the "you can't jump" torghast power ever renders an instance unfinishable |
| 12:07.30 | Maldivia | you can't jump? what? |
| 12:08.08 | foxlit | Literally that. You can't jump. |
| 12:16.25 | nevcairiel | i had you cant walk backwards one run, that was sort of disorienting |
| 12:17.03 | nevcairiel | and i'm not sure i remember if you absolutely had to jump somewhere |
| 12:18.34 | Semlar | this is it, this is the top https://youtu.be/NMcOlRFQNkc |
| 12:18.47 | Semlar | it's all downhill from here |
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| 12:30.53 | Gnarfoz | idk what that is |
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| 13:44.56 | Semlar | Gnarfoz: have you never played ocarina of time? |
| 13:45.35 | Gnarfoz | the only console I ever owned was a Gameboy |
| 13:46.56 | Semlar | i'm revoking your gaming license |
| 13:48.15 | nevcairiel | PCMR represent |
| 13:48.24 | Gnarfoz | consoleros don't have jurisdiction in PCMR country! |
| 13:48.49 | Gnarfoz | I remember importing Mega Man 2 from the US, tho |
| 13:49.18 | Gnarfoz | (and I played many hours of NES at a classmate's house, and some SNES at my aunt's) |
| 13:50.36 | nevcairiel | I had a SNES, but back then PC gaming was still much smaller |
| 13:50.41 | nevcairiel | didnt have anything newer |
| 13:51.37 | nevcairiel | just a gameboy and a SNES, then PC :D |
| 13:52.09 | Semlar | you missed out on the entire N64 era |
| 13:52.14 | Gnarfoz | plenty of C64 hours spent at neighbor's as well :D |
| 13:53.55 | Semlar | i don't know how i feel about this |
| 13:55.04 | Semlar | we might need to start seeing other people |
| 13:56.58 | Semlar | neffi did your parents love you enough to buy you an N64? |
| 14:04.21 | Semlar | alright so let me get this straight, you guys have never played Goldeneye, Zelda or Super Mario 64 |
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| 14:04.50 | Gnarfoz | other Zeldas, sure, not that or newer, though |
| 14:05.08 | Gnarfoz | PCs had Quake, Half-Life, Unreal, and who knows what else ;-) |
| 14:05.11 | znf | 1.7MB of datas coming right up for foxlit :D |
| 14:05.45 | Gnarfoz | that was still very much the PC > Console era |
| 14:06.04 | nevcairiel | that ever changed? |
| 14:07.11 | Gnarfoz | last few generations of consoles are straight up PCs, and PCs most of the time get dumb ports of console games |
| 14:07.29 | Gnarfoz | so one might say consoles have "won" |
| 14:07.58 | znf | cheaper development has won :) |
| 14:08.25 | Gnarfoz | yeah, same development for all platforms :P |
| 14:08.52 | Gnarfoz | the games are not even "ports" anymore since it's the same architecture anyway; the "dumb" part is the design constraints that are unnecessarily kept on PC |
| 14:09.23 | znf | Cheaper UX people |
| 14:09.23 | znf | :D |
| 14:15.47 | Semlar | my perspective from that time period was that PC gaming was really still in its infancy and the 90s were truly the golden age for console gaming |
| 14:16.44 | nevcairiel | back then consoles were also powerful customized hardware, these days its just largely off-the-shelf PC stuff |
| 14:17.53 | nevcairiel | at least this time they used high-end PC stuff, last gen was mid-range at best |
| 14:18.29 | Semlar | before the internet came and you could start playing PC games with other people consoles really dominated the gaming scene |
| 14:19.04 | nevcairiel | psh, we did weekly basement LAN parties |
| 14:19.15 | nevcairiel | internet, who needs it |
| 14:20.37 | Semlar | man, until the internet really took off computers were glorified typewriters |
| 14:24.35 | Semlar | although i do have some fond memories of some early DOS vaporware games |
| 14:27.28 | Semlar | that's not the right term, shareware? |
| 14:30.05 | Semlar | there was one called Pickle Wars where you went around with a salad shooter and literally shot salad at alien pickles |
| 14:40.09 | znf | Our "LAN" was stretched across 4 buildings |
| 14:40.31 | znf | We used 10BASE2 |
| 14:46.39 | Gnarfoz | Internet cafes were still a thing here, back then |
| 14:46.51 | Gnarfoz | lots of hours of C&C and C&C: Red Alert were played |
| 14:47.01 | Gnarfoz | consoles not really a great platform for RTS :P |
| 14:47.02 | znf | man, can we get those damn Templated friendly nameplates in this expansion? :-/ |
| 14:47.28 | znf | Or, at least, can we disable realm names on them... |
| 14:49.25 | Gnarfoz | but yeah, LAN parties, even modem stuff :D multiplayer was a thing already back then; also: consoles offered no multi-device multiplayer, so why is this relevant :D |
| 14:57.27 | Semlar | i had assumed that everyone would recognize navi from zelda but now you guys have me worried |
| 14:58.22 | Semlar | she isn't in the newer games |
| 14:59.33 | znf | I never played a zelda game :D |
| 15:00.16 | Semlar | somebody here has to have played ocarina of time |
| 15:01.01 | znf | I don't do consoles :D |
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| 16:26.00 | znf | https://pastie.dev/UAIqr6.lua |
| 16:26.02 | znf | I keep getting this |
| 16:26.26 | znf | looks at Gethe |
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| 16:57.33 | znf | One thing that the removal of bonus rolls has killed - pugs |
| 16:57.49 | znf | Now you can't get people come in for a boss that they already killed, because they don't have a 2nd chance at loot (roll) |
| 17:04.30 | Gethe | znf: does that always happen? what class are you playing? |
| 17:07.04 | znf | Gethe, priest, shadow |
| 17:07.08 | znf | it happens every now and then |
| 17:13.46 | znf | I haven't figured out when/why tough |
| 17:21.47 | Gethe | the only thing I can think of is if GetSpecializationInfo returned a nil specID, but by the time this code runs that really shouldn't happen. Not even Blizz checks for that |
| 17:27.18 | Gethe | found they check C_SpecializationInfo.IsInitialized() |
| 17:28.05 | Gethe | pushed to alpha |
| 17:31.51 | znf | thanks |
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| 19:14.04 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/8c7wkw2r.jpg |
| 19:21.38 | znf | nice |
| 19:32.44 | znf | when alpha? |
| 19:41.34 | Gnarfoz | ffs |
| 19:41.49 | Gnarfoz | got Meatball from Torghast, now my troops are lower again xD I wanted to do Soul Ash mission >_> |
| 19:58.32 | foxlit | But did you get the scary tutorial about Meatball only attacking one target? |
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| 20:37.31 | znf | foxlit, wat |
| 20:38.12 | foxlit | COVENANT_MISSIONS_TUTORIAL_SINGLE_ENEMY = "This Companion will ONLY attack the targeted enemy" |
| 20:57.45 | znf | so once his main target dies... he does nothing? |
| 21:35.45 | Yuyuli | big want foxlit |
| 21:50.55 | foxlit | I'm not sure what to replace the goat with :( |
| 21:52.11 | pompy | toad |
| 21:56.36 | foxlit | showing you a preview of the enemy board is probably not useful. |
| 21:57.26 | foxlit | and I basically need a button that says "yes, I want to do this mission, let me set up a group for it" without writing a novel. |
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| 22:01.29 | foxlit | znf: that seems like it would be silly. I'm more inclined to believe the tutorial wording is not thought through. |
| 22:04.00 | znf | foxlit, we'll see, meatball has finished something for me |
| 22:04.02 | znf | but I'm in raid |
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