| 00:04.17 | Elmoe | I am Venthyr but my wife is Kyrian if you want me to install it on her computer? |
| 00:04.25 | Elmoe | foxlit: what is the link to the addon? |
| 00:04.42 | znf | foxlit: I mean... They will :P |
| 00:04.47 | znf | (get benefits) |
| 00:04.58 | znf | I have faith in you producing something that helps a bit |
| 00:05.01 | Elmoe | yeah if this means we get a Master Plan for this new command table I am all in |
| 00:07.29 | foxlit | Elmoe: linked from https://www.townlong-yak.com/adcap/ , but note that this isn't exactly a user-friendly process -- there is no in-game UI and someone would have to visit that webpage again and drag the saved variables file from the WTF/SavedVariables/..../ folder onto it. |
| 00:07.33 | Stanzilla | I'm Necrolord and can help |
| 00:09.18 | Elmoe | foxlit: yeah its fine, I'll just do it for her |
| 00:09.44 | Elmoe | Do you want me Venthyr ones as well or is that covered? |
| 00:09.52 | foxlit | the more the merrier. |
| 00:10.19 | znf | You might have other Venthry followers than me, so go ahead :) |
| 00:10.34 | nevcairiel | why would they be different |
| 00:10.46 | foxlit | (but also different mission choices and potentially different troop layouts, so there's always something interesting) |
| 00:10.51 | znf | the one you get from Thorgast may be different? |
| 00:11.05 | nevcairiel | everyone gets the same right now, although I hear there are more in the future |
| 00:11.22 | znf | even from thorgast?! |
| 00:11.23 | znf | :-/ |
| 00:11.42 | Elmoe | znf: dude based on what you've been saying here you are WAY ahead of me heh |
| 00:11.46 | nevcairiel | although i think some covenants had a choice in which guy they take from the quest? |
| 00:11.57 | Elmoe | my wife and I just had a baby (yay!!) so our Shadowlands progress has been sloooow |
| 00:12.02 | nevcairiel | fae just got a fixed one |
| 00:12.23 | Elmoe | for Venthyr it seems no choice but at renown 6 I now have 3 of them |
| 00:12.36 | nevcairiel | you can get a 4th from thorgast |
| 00:12.44 | nevcairiel | but needs some luck for the event to proc |
| 00:12.52 | Elmoe | yeah embarassingly we only have like 350 soul ash and really need to do torghast ugh |
| 00:13.17 | Elmoe | tonight if we can get little one to go sleepy for a bit we are gonna try to do our level 3 runs and catch up a bit there |
| 00:13.41 | nevcairiel | i need to check the guild tomorrow if i need to carry some through 3s for their ash |
| 00:13.52 | nevcairiel | i think some of the dpsers are having troubles |
| 00:14.13 | Elmoe | we did level 1 and it was of course ridiculously easy, is level 3 difficult? we are ~155 ilvl only |
| 00:14.19 | znf | I'm still impressed that people can fail it |
| 00:14.20 | Elmoe | I am disc and she is shadow for torghast |
| 00:14.30 | znf | Oh, you guys have a terrible combo :D |
| 00:14.36 | znf | But you can make it work :) |
| 00:14.45 | Elmoe | yeah I figure if we just go slow it will be fine |
| 00:14.47 | nevcairiel | our shadow has no troubles |
| 00:14.59 | nevcairiel | but he did complain that he is in there for al ong time |
| 00:15.06 | Elmoe | well my wife is actually holy but does shadow for non-raids to take one for the team heh |
| 00:15.36 | znf | I mean, I can totally go faster, too, as Shadow |
| 00:15.39 | znf | but I take my time |
| 00:15.44 | znf | I'm having fun MC-ing the rats :D |
| 00:15.47 | Elmoe | shadow dps seems pretty solid thus far though considering she has literally been playing with one hand while nursing baby with the other haha |
| 00:16.01 | nevcairiel | and apparently some of our DPSers got a certain boss this week that they couldnt defeat or something |
| 00:16.12 | znf | Or I'm getting hit on purpose so I can build Catarhstick |
| 00:16.48 | Elmoe | foxlit: ok I installed AdCap on both our boxes, assuming it will just do its thing and nothing else is needed? at what cadence do you want me to upload savedvariables? |
| 00:17.23 | znf | I do it every 2-3 days, but I do missions around the clock |
| 00:17.32 | nevcairiel | he might also appreciate if you just delete the SV after uploading :D |
| 00:17.45 | znf | also, don't complete missions on your phone, need to be finished in game |
| 00:17.52 | Elmoe | yeah we don't do that no worries |
| 00:18.00 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: got it will try to remember to blow the files away after upload |
| 00:18.11 | znf | I actually have no idea if they updated the wow app? |
| 00:18.12 | Elmoe | we've both been using foxlit's addons since MoP, fucking love them! |
| 00:18.21 | Elmoe | znf: they did |
| 00:18.21 | nevcairiel | the app was updated and supports new missions |
| 00:18.28 | znf | neat |
| 00:18.31 | foxlit | Elmoe: whenever is convenient |
| 00:18.39 | Elmoe | foxlit: cool |
| 00:19.04 | znf | I look at the file size usually, when it's 500-600KB, I think you have enough data :D |
| 00:19.23 | nevcairiel | if you have time to look, might as well just upload :P |
| 00:20.13 | znf | I have that explorer window opened around the clock :D |
| 00:20.37 | Elmoe | maybe with a new master plan I'll actually be able to defeat this campaign mission heh |
| 00:21.00 | Elmoe | think I've failed like 4 times now oof |
| 00:21.02 | nevcairiel | not as venthyr, apparently |
| 00:21.08 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: so its not just me then? |
| 00:21.10 | nevcairiel | you need the magical night fae troops |
| 00:21.19 | Elmoe | that makes me feel a little better |
| 00:21.29 | znf | Elmoe, oh, you're doing it wrong like I was |
| 00:21.29 | nevcairiel | that you joined the wrong guys? |
| 00:21.30 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 00:21.37 | Elmoe | znf: enlighten me sensi |
| 00:21.39 | znf | send only Nadija (put her in the back) and fill up with melee troops |
| 00:21.59 | Elmoe | znf: thanks will try that next |
| 00:22.04 | Elmoe | znf: how did you figure that out btw? |
| 00:22.19 | znf | I didn't I tried everything that these guys said ^ |
| 00:22.34 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: the mind games ability is really nice for disc, its like a little mini lights wrath burst of atonement on short cd |
| 00:22.53 | znf | also, Crosshash has mentioned that the best strategy is to try to kill one of the enemies faster |
| 00:22.55 | Elmoe | znf: thanks should have read more of the chat log apparently heh |
| 00:23.04 | nevcairiel | the important parts to know are that a melee guy doesnt need to be in front to actually attack, but if its not in front, it doesnt get attacked by other melees first |
| 00:23.25 | znf | ie: when placing units, make sure more of your units target the same of theirs |
| 00:23.36 | nevcairiel | the classification basically only changes who they attack, melees attack the closest enemy, ranges the most distant one |
| 00:23.50 | Elmoe | thanks that is very helpful to know |
| 00:24.07 | nevcairiel | so a first row of disposable melee troops shields your hero, and they also focus their damage on the front line of enemies |
| 00:25.38 | nevcairiel | and of course, what many people dont notice, you can use the same troop multiple times :D |
| 00:26.02 | znf | except Venthyr ranged |
| 00:26.10 | znf | which are, apparently, stabby by nature |
| 00:26.51 | foxlit | to be entirely fair, their spell is ranged. |
| 00:27.01 | znf | yes, but their icon is a bow... |
| 00:27.11 | znf | I'd expect them to be stabby at range |
| 00:28.59 | znf | ah crap, I thought all I had to do was Bastion today |
| 00:29.01 | znf | forgot about the maw |
| 00:30.21 | znf | why is it that only Revendreth has all these awesome buffs? |
| 00:31.08 | znf | like https://i.imgur.com/m1Tvv8A.png |
| 00:32.31 | znf | And what's up with the gear scaling from WQs... I was expecting to at least get 171's when I'm 183... |
| 00:32.51 | Elmoe | nevcairiel: yeah I got that but I didn't realize you could just stuff a melee in the back row for some reason |
| 00:32.57 | foxlit | tied to renown progression. |
| 00:33.38 | nevcairiel | having WQs stop before hero dungeons seems ok-ish for the first few weeks |
| 00:33.52 | nevcairiel | want people to run that still |
| 00:34.33 | nevcairiel | but yeah you get more ilvl with renown 10 |
| 00:34.56 | znf | meh :-/ |
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| 00:35.24 | nevcairiel | not like 171 would've helped me, thats the lowest items i wear already |
| 00:36.00 | nevcairiel | just used pvp gear to fill the gaps up to 171 |
| 00:36.30 | znf | I'm still rocking 164 wrists, but they have a socket |
| 00:36.51 | nevcairiel | i got a 183 wrist from the jailer weekly event in the maw, socket included |
| 00:41.41 | znf | I got a chest, pretty good actually, haste/mastery |
| 00:41.49 | znf | then I got an 184 chest from Mythic, obviously |
| 00:42.13 | znf | meanwhile, still rocking blue rings |
| 00:43.00 | znf | I'm really annoyed by the DPS trinkets we have |
| 00:43.12 | znf | I don't know what their obsession with Use trinkets is |
| 00:43.32 | nevcairiel | please, at least dps trinkets usually improve your performance, tank trinkets are generally shit for the 2nd expansion in a row |
| 00:43.43 | znf | they technically do, yeah |
| 00:43.51 | znf | but -- I either have to macro them somewhere in another CD |
| 00:44.09 | nevcairiel | tanks usually wear dps trinkets because actual tank trinkets are just so extremely terrible, so might as well do some damage |
| 00:44.10 | znf | ...but they don't always line up with your other cooldowns |
| 00:44.16 | nevcairiel | haven't had a good tank trinket since legion or such |
| 00:44.31 | znf | or, they conflict with something else |
| 00:44.48 | znf | I have a 1:30m trinket, and it technically lines up with my Void Erruption |
| 00:45.03 | znf | ...except I have a passive conduit, that procs that ability sometime |
| 00:45.18 | znf | so I can't macro it in that, because I'd trigger it randomly |
| 00:45.24 | znf | and as a priest, I'm all out of damn keybinds |
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| 03:11.27 | znf | The food prices on my server doubled over night |
| 03:11.33 | znf | Fish went from 50g to 120g |
| 03:11.51 | znf | Haste food went from ~90-100g to ~170g |
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| 08:10.29 | nevcairiel | people probably started buying for raids |
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| 08:32.06 | Ammako | the balance druid bots running laps at pinchwhistle point killing the sludges as soon as they spawn... what are they even farming? |
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| 09:42.01 | foxlit | "No. I will not attend your play." |
| 09:43.36 | foxlit | Those covenant interactions are amusic. |
| 09:43.45 | foxlit | s/ic/ing/ |
| 09:48.18 | nevcairiel | but I try to do such a good job when on stage |
| 09:52.39 | foxlit | and then the Maw Walker was like "Boo, you're no fun!" |
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| 14:19.06 | znf | Anyone has any info on legendaries and their secondary stat distribution? |
| 14:19.31 | znf | ie: amongst different crafts, are the secondary stats distributed the same way? |
| 14:20.33 | nevcairiel | i thought they just get half half |
| 14:23.51 | znf | dunno, I haven't crafted, so no idea |
| 14:24.57 | nevcairiel | then take that as a statement :P |
| 14:26.39 | AcidWeb | yeah it is "half half" |
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| 15:37.07 | Gnarfoz | [00:51:40] <nevcairiel> Gnarfoz is also fae, i believe <-- correct |
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| 16:06.12 | Industrial | Hi. I just found the instawow tool and really like it. :-) made a ticket though for search functionality |
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| 16:10.49 | AcidWeb | https://ogri-la.github.io/wow-addon-managers/ |
| 16:11.59 | Industrial | wat |
| 16:13.25 | Industrial | Hey, what's this CurseBreaker thing :p |
| 16:13.53 | AcidWeb | Yet another addon updater. |
| 16:14.00 | AcidWeb | Just pointing out the options. |
| 16:22.10 | foxlit | blerf. |
| 16:22.37 | foxlit | "Dreamweaver doubles the damage of all allies for 2 rounds." + 4x "deal -20% less damage for two rounds." + 90 ATK = 107 damage. |
| 16:23.18 | foxlit | setting aside the minus in -20% less, that's a floating point error :( |
| 16:25.02 | Chipzz | foxlit: since you seem familiar with the missions, do you know what the blue upward pointing triangles are supposed to mean? |
| 16:25.12 | foxlit | beneficial effects. |
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| 16:25.23 | Chipzz | like what? |
| 16:25.33 | foxlit | like all of them. |
| 16:26.16 | Chipzz | that's very unspecific :) |
| 16:26.46 | Chipzz | also, what happens when the triangles are on the front line? can they only affect allies that are in the row in front of you? |
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| 16:30.51 | foxlit | they're specific to the unit immediately below them. If something doesn't have a triangle, it doesn't have any buffs. |
| 16:31.28 | nevcairiel | in other words, the triangle is not an arrow, its in indicator the unit below it is buffed |
| 16:32.19 | Chipzz | how intuitive |
| 16:32.36 | Chipzz | and with intuitive I mean /counter/-intuitive |
| 16:34.44 | znf | we don't do logic here |
| 16:35.19 | Chipzz | then again that comment wasn't aimed at foxlit or nevcairiel, they were being helpfull, it as aimed at Blizzard :) |
| 16:35.34 | foxlit | so I have this problem: 90 * (1+1-0.2*4) = 107, but 90*(1-0.2*4) = 18 |
| 16:36.23 | foxlit | I thought of using like 0.2000000001 instead of 0.2 to make the former work, but that breaks the latter :( |
| 16:37.58 | nevcairiel | maybe atk is rounded already? |
| 16:38.18 | Chipzz | foxlit: according to my calculations 90 * (1+1-0.2*4) = 108 |
| 16:38.26 | foxlit | yes, but the "correct" answer is 107. |
| 16:38.40 | foxlit | atk is an integer. |
| 16:39.04 | foxlit | the 0.2 is an ieee754 single-precision float |
| 16:39.15 | foxlit | which makes it more of a 0.20000000298023223876953125 |
| 16:39.20 | nevcairiel | are you sure its not just pretenting to be an integer? |
| 16:39.25 | foxlit | yes |
| 16:39.36 | Chipzz | numerical stability is a bitch :( |
| 16:42.04 | nevcairiel | if the source of the problem is float precision and perhaps bad rounding somewhere, you could have the same fight with the expected outcome |
| 16:42.30 | nevcairiel | depending on what kind of other calculations are being performed on the values |
| 16:43.22 | foxlit | it's literally this: https://pastebin.com/RgjtmSZ4 |
| 16:43.40 | nevcairiel | obviously it doesnt seem to use rounding but cuts to integers |
| 16:43.51 | nevcairiel | (ie. flooring) |
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| 16:44.36 | nevcairiel | do off by one errors really matter? |
| 16:44.40 | foxlit | yes |
| 16:45.20 | foxlit | if 1 hp is the difference between killing a thing and not killing a thing, that error will cascade dramatically. |
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| 16:53.33 | Industrial | wow that wago.io is a real memory hog |
| 16:53.59 | Industrial | Had to copy the WA strings I wanted into a file in order to start wow :p |
| 16:54.03 | Industrial | 8gb woes |
| 16:57.03 | nevcairiel | hm am I misreading the formula, or are you combining multiple units into one formula (due to the 4x -20%)? if the game calculates them separately, that may account for offsets in rounding |
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| 17:41.15 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: not sure if that helps you with anything, but apparently a first weakaura for the adventures is making the rounds: https://wago.io/FTT0P82zx |
| 17:45.34 | foxlit | nevcairiel: like the sane person that I am, I am actually calculating floor(90*(100+100-20-20-20-20)/100) |
| 17:46.41 | foxlit | I assume Blizzard is doing the float thing, because that explains the results they get. |
| 17:48.25 | foxlit | I also assume multiplying by 4 can happen without affecting the mantissa. |
| 17:50.14 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: that just computes X/Y-A/B for you. |
| 17:54.13 | znf | (so far does not taking in consideration troops abilities) - WIP. |
| 17:54.32 | znf | and russian screenshots |
| 17:54.36 | znf | I've no idea what it does lol |
| 17:54.51 | znf | I'll pass on any russian solution, thank you very much |
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| 18:25.47 | znf | oh, moment of truth |
| 18:25.55 | znf | Ash Mission has completed! |
| 18:27.10 | foxlit | bonus: wave of eternal death does /nothing/. |
| 18:27.19 | znf | lol 4 rounds |
| 18:27.28 | znf | totally won this: https://i.imgur.com/6XVqpmr.png |
| 18:29.23 | znf | indeed, it doesn't do anything |
| 18:30.43 | znf | upload complete |
| 18:53.08 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:06.39 | znf | I can't complete the Hunt alone |
| 19:07.35 | foxlit | the who now? |
| 19:08.06 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/wZw17Ph.png |
| 19:08.19 | nevcairiel | that hunt is hard |
| 19:08.47 | znf | I couldn't know, I can't kill enough of them by myself int he time |
| 19:08.50 | znf | required* |
| 19:08.55 | foxlit | oh, someone has more rep. I was wondering why there were only two dailies on the maw map today |
| 19:09.08 | nevcairiel | oh yeah the third daily is in the beast warrens |
| 19:09.25 | nevcairiel | its a bit odd that they do it that way, but shrug |
| 19:09.33 | foxlit | yeah, no hurt feelings. |
| 19:09.57 | foxlit | "Slams a nearby enemy, dealing 81 Shadow damage to them and an enemy behind them." |
| 19:10.21 | znf | this phasing is annoying |
| 19:10.25 | foxlit | given the offset back row of the player party, how does that supposed to resolve? |
| 19:10.29 | znf | who possibly had that idea... |
| 19:11.24 | znf | like, FORCING me to group up |
| 19:11.35 | znf | and then not actually being able to, without leaving the maw and rejoining |
| 19:19.33 | znf | So what do I kill for Mount here? |
| 19:21.05 | foxlit | Observation: sometimes, the fae champion with a cone spell fails to both cast the spell and attack a normal melee target, doing absolutely nothing in a turn. |
| 19:22.08 | znf | Some of these systems don't seem to have graduated from Beta |
| 19:26.48 | foxlit | best guess: the spell requires a target, and failing to find something appropriately cone-able, aborts the rest of the logic, including the auto-attack? |
| 19:32.39 | foxlit | it's weird that you still get both the "I cast magic missle at the darkness" and "I cast melee at the darkness" combat log events. |
| 19:40.47 | znf | lol https://i.imgur.com/xGqVg78.png |
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| 19:41.05 | znf | nice |
| 19:41.07 | znf | lost 670 stygia |
| 19:41.13 | znf | because I fell trough the floor after portalling from a rare |
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| 19:42.57 | VIad | I managed to die into the void, my corpse/loot stygia was placed in the "dont go here yet" area but managed to get there and loot myself with some healing :P |
| 19:43.29 | znf | I doubt I'll be able to get it back |
| 19:44.02 | Yuyuli | i lost a bunch of stygia so far to disconnects/desyncing issues |
| 19:44.13 | Yuyuli | d.d |
| 20:02.07 | Funkeh` | was there a patch just now |
| 20:04.36 | znf | Orgrimmar > Zandalar > Thunder Bluff > Darkmoon > Get Buff > go back to Oribos > Maw to turn in quests |
| 20:04.39 | znf | really convenient |
| 20:05.19 | foxlit | 36753->36839 |
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| 20:24.26 | Industrial | Is there an addon that allows me to eaily look up an item (or quest/thing that's linkable) with a slash command? |
| 20:29.30 | znf | I don't know about you guys, but I find it unacceptable for a WQ to take over 10min and almost 100 kills to complete |
| 20:29.49 | znf | If I wanted that, I would have played Classic |
| 20:33.09 | znf | Also, so far, there was no day I went to Ardenweald and it wasn't a massive lagfest |
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| 21:24.32 | znf | I don't want to permanently activate an Anima location :( |
| 21:24.42 | znf | but I can't do anything before I do that :-| |
| 21:28.27 | foxlit | why not? |
| 21:28.42 | foxlit | isn't that an action with no negative effects? |
| 21:33.26 | Maldivia | Industrial: I had one of those a long time ago, was really easy to make :) |
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| 21:49.30 | Mr_Rabies | <foxlit> isn't that an action with no negative effects? |
| 21:49.59 | Mr_Rabies | the negative effect is not being able to activate the better ones with a fully charged bar as soon as they're available, but it's really not that big of a deal |
| 21:50.26 | Mr_Rabies | they're overall pretty minor power gains |
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| 23:13.59 | znf | foxlit, the current ones I have are the Bat and the Chest |
| 23:14.07 | znf | And I'm unlocking something else soon :P |
| 23:14.37 | znf | actually |
| 23:14.45 | znf | we're not getting anything this week, are we? |
| 23:14.51 | znf | unless we get more souls than 5 |
| 23:18.32 | foxlit | "Marileth douses the nearest enemy, dealing 74 Shadow damage and inflicting an additional 55 Shadow damage when the target is struck for three rounds." |
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| 23:21.08 | Mr_Rabies | addons that store their position in the layout file drive me nuts, they keep resetting their position :( |
| 23:49.12 | Ammako | I just dont get why remove portal to blasted lands when there's no good alternative |
| 23:58.51 | foxlit | maybe in a few more expansions we can have aetherytes. |
| 23:59.20 | foxlit | when someone gets tired of redesigning the portal rooms for the 75th time. |
