| 00:00.02 | foxlit | general grouping strategy: pick a group out of the list based on the leader's name and group title. |
| 00:00.22 | znf | but I can tell you that I've had no issues with more DPS applying to a group that needed only tanks |
| 00:00.35 | znf | yes, they applied... and? |
| 00:01.10 | foxlit | what bugs me more is when the title + category + description disagree on which instance the group is going to. |
| 00:01.16 | znf | true |
| 00:01.36 | znf | those are usually people that are looking for any key |
| 00:01.56 | nevcairiel | groups that sign up like "we'll do your key" are just weird |
| 00:03.29 | foxlit | there were no keys and no vault during launch week, right? |
| 00:03.41 | nevcairiel | not this new week either |
| 00:03.49 | nevcairiel | only starts with raid opening |
| 00:04.00 | foxlit | both m+ and the weekly rewards? |
| 00:04.23 | nevcairiel | technically weekly rewards are a week later even, since you cant earn any yet |
| 00:04.57 | foxlit | it's more the "you have to do stuff to earn stuff" aspect. |
| 00:04.57 | nevcairiel | M+ opens on 8th/9th, first weekly reward on 15th/16th |
| 00:05.34 | nevcairiel | yeah as of the 8/9th |
| 00:05.51 | nevcairiel | with the raid opening and season 1 starting |
| 00:06.22 | nevcairiel | now its another week of m0 and whatever else one has to do |
| 00:06.24 | znf | oh, why did I have the impression it's tomorrow |
| 00:06.25 | znf | damn it :D |
| 00:25.49 | Gnarfoz | [21:51:45] <znf> since when do they have "from allakhazam" and "from thottbot" labels? <-- I mean, it ended up all being gobbled up by Wowhead, but neat to see they kept that data :D (who deletes data? data is not for deleting! you never know when you might end up needing it :P) |
| 00:27.05 | Chipzz | znf: the answer to thtat btwis: at least since classic launch |
| 00:27.18 | Chipzz | when WH launched th classic subdomsain |
| 00:27.40 | znf | I see |
| 00:30.19 | Chipzz | I have the impression classic.wowhead is a "from scratch"reconversion of the thottbot/ allakhazam data |
| 00:30.56 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, more or less |
| 00:30.58 | Chipzz | which would make sense because a lot changed with cata and comments from later expansions would not be applicable to wow classic |
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| 04:23.37 | znf | Hmm, Gems seem suspiciously cheap O.O |
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| 04:55.26 | znf | I did 3 dungeons in 10 minutes. |
| 04:55.35 | znf | I got put into all of them at the last boss |
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| 13:02.30 | foxlit | if btn:IsShown() and follower and (follower.followerTypeID or 4) < 3 then << "attempt to index local 'follower' (a nil value)" |
| 13:04.28 | foxlit | is that a language bug? |
| 13:12.48 | Funkeh` | anyone noticed that the anima conductor resets 24 hours from the time you activated it, but the rewards reset when the dailies reset? |
| 13:13.17 | Funkeh` | seems to be a bug according to the popup when you activate it, which states it will reset come the daily reset |
| 13:13.56 | Funkeh` | essentially you can get rewards from both the treasure and the elite in the same day if you time it right |
| 13:14.50 | foxlit | let's just say the popup is wrong |
| 13:15.06 | Funkeh` | :D |
| 13:15.14 | znf | yup |
| 13:15.18 | znf | I've been doing that :D |
| 13:15.32 | foxlit | (having to wait for the daily reset to activate it would suck more than the minor double reward) |
| 13:15.51 | Funkeh` | how would it be any different than picking up your daily calling? |
| 13:16.03 | foxlit | those last for 3 days |
| 13:16.22 | Funkeh` | besides the point, you have to pick it up daily |
| 13:16.59 | foxlit | the annoying situation is: you activate the thing => you go to the place => you almost finish the event => daily reset occurs, thing deactivates, you leave with nothing. |
| 13:17.46 | Funkeh` | how is that any different to being in the middle of finishing a daily quest that resets because you didn't finish it in time |
| 13:18.06 | nevcairiel | you can do both anyway as other people can activate it for you |
| 13:18.10 | nevcairiel | so its only a minor thing at best |
| 13:19.00 | nevcairiel | i've done special rares of other covenants the same way |
| 13:19.08 | foxlit | my mental model is that if you don't finish a daily in time, you just miss out on the reset |
| 13:19.12 | Funkeh` | that's unique to the rares not the treasure |
| 13:19.23 | Funkeh` | at least i think so |
| 13:20.07 | Funkeh` | if you dont finish a daily in time the whole thing despawns and you have to be lucky if the same one shows up again |
| 13:20.10 | foxlit | which probably isn't accurate with those rolling quests, but meh, they should call them something else. |
| 13:20.22 | Funkeh` | if you dont finish the anima conductor in time you can just choose it again |
| 13:20.38 | foxlit | anyway, boring argument. |
| 13:21.57 | nevcairiel | as of tomorrow i'll also have one of them permanently, so muh |
| 13:22.38 | znf | already? |
| 13:22.43 | znf | did I miss a day? :D |
| 13:22.49 | nevcairiel | i dunno, the bar is full except of one |
| 13:23.04 | znf | I'll have to check, just flew off to kill the bat |
| 13:23.29 | Funkeh` | if you reached 60 on the same night of opening and enabled it before the daily reset i guess |
| 13:24.25 | znf | MM Hunters are ridiculous |
| 13:24.50 | znf | they can basically take you down in pvp in about 2-3 seconds |
| 13:27.39 | znf | Does alliance still have a weekly pvp quest? Or why are they grouped up in full 5-man groups killing people in pvp? |
| 13:32.30 | nevcairiel | 25 kills yeah |
| 13:42.44 | znf | I don't get why I have to go here for my calling today https://i.imgur.com/aXmcarL.png |
| 14:13.14 | znf | what does the up arrow mean anyway? https://i.imgur.com/gL7zhdX.png |
| 14:20.12 | nevcairiel | does that guy below it have a buff? |
| 14:20.15 | nevcairiel | i think its the buff icon |
| 14:32.11 | Gethe | Crosshash: I got this error when trying to add a combat ally in the legion class hall (monk, but i don't think it matters). https://pastie.dev/xOL8zs.vim |
| 14:32.17 | Gethe | no addons |
| 14:37.44 | znf | nevcairiel, well, if it has a buff, it doesn't say it anywhere |
| 14:37.57 | znf | it has "Double Strike" and "Shadow Walk" |
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| 15:22.11 | Funkeh` | I'd be curious to see what other covenants are at 2 companions and 2 troops and still don't have a healer |
| 15:22.47 | Funkeh` | Kyrian seems to be struggling on elite missions |
| 15:24.40 | AcidWeb | Kyrians don't kill enemies. Just execute hostile takeovers like every good corporation. |
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| 15:33.12 | VIad | as Kyrian I have been unable to complete any elite missions, they even got crappy 155 ilvl rewards and I am soon 180 ilvl equipped but still the difficulty curve man. my guys are level 15 also and its like 10-12 elite missions. |
| 15:33.24 | VIad | I just do the 4 hours non elite stuff since its hopeless at this point hehe :P |
| 15:56.16 | foxlit | the elite stuff is more an indicator of duration than difficulty? |
| 15:59.25 | foxlit | I wonder if the troop level is the median adventurer level |
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| 16:47.31 | Ketho | hey znf |
| 16:54.38 | Ketho | I found the sound id for blanchy |
| 16:54.51 | Ketho | oh it was yuyuli who asked |
| 17:05.57 | znf | Yeah |
| 17:13.06 | nevcairiel | media might actually fit my current numbers foxlit, but kinda weird logic to use for that |
| 17:13.10 | nevcairiel | median* |
| 17:13.51 | nevcairiel | i suppose later on it avoids that dragging down issue much though when a single new one gets added |
| 17:17.15 | nevcairiel | i ran out of simple missions to let my new level 1 do though |
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| 17:42.15 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:49.42 | Funkeh` | Do I want to tell you about all my failures |
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| 18:11.43 | znf | thank you, foxlit |
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| 18:27.11 | Ammako | why would premade groups be locked until lv 50 |
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| 18:34.42 | VIad | it fixes the boost group ad spam /s |
| 18:55.20 | Gnarfoz | VIad: hope you're using your troops multiple times (i.e. filling all slots) |
| 18:55.34 | VIad | yeah |
| 19:01.45 | foxlit | it bugs me that the innermost portals on the oribos flight paths have colored swirly graphics that you just... clip through |
| 19:02.21 | foxlit | (both on the way in and out) |
| 19:03.30 | foxlit | "psych, the real portal is over there!" |
| 19:04.04 | znf | foxlit, if you make that addon into a WeakAura and you make it possible to export a profile or something, you might get more data |
| 19:04.52 | znf | s/profile/json/ |
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| 19:49.49 | znf | I still don't know what this is https://i.imgur.com/4U0zijL.png |
| 19:53.05 | foxlit | it just unlocks more missions |
| 19:54.44 | znf | but I've already completed one? and nothing was unlocked so far? :-/ |
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| 20:06.27 | foxlit | you've at least unlocked the next campaign mission :P |
| 20:15.14 | znf | but I've... unlocked it once again few days ago? |
| 20:28.51 | foxlit | there are a few; I assumed they shouldn't repeat, but who knows |
| 20:48.38 | Ketho | Yuyuli: the sound id of dead blanchy is https://wow.tools/files/#search=3587276 |
| 21:17.07 | Ketho | Vlad was very close on track to finding it btw, from his earlier discord message |
| 21:17.23 | Ketho | SpellID 339588 -> Mount/MountXDisplay 1414 -> CreatureDisplayInfo 98449 -> SpellVisualKitEffect 135981 -> SoundKitID 160875 -> SoundKitEntry 507085 -> FileDataID 3587276 |
| 21:58.53 | foxlit | so it turns out that framexml completely forgot that you could open the Garrison/Class Hall/War Campaign reports after unlocking covenants, and implemented absolutely none of the cleanup code necessary for those reports to coexist |
| 21:59.34 | foxlit | there are workarounds for this in the latest master plan/war plan updates. |
| 22:04.19 | Mr_Rabies | yeah you get some pretty interesting things going on https://a.uguu.se/Qeh7r72rbhTH_Wow_2020-12-02_17-03-43.png |
| 22:05.27 | foxlit | any thoughts on the "collect 1000 anima" /daily/ quest? |
| 22:12.32 | znf | dialy? |
| 22:12.33 | znf | daily* |
| 22:15.50 | foxlit | Queen's conservatory has a daily with that objective. |
| 22:16.08 | foxlit | Maybe your tea party does too? |
| 22:20.56 | Crosshash | How do you know it's a daily? |
| 22:23.14 | foxlit | psychic powers. Also, it says Daily in the Map & Quest Log tooltip. |
| 22:23.52 | Crosshash | What's the name of the quest? |
| 22:24.52 | foxlit | https://go-hero.net/i/8wbho9na.jpg << Fair Exchange for a Soul |
| 22:27.35 | Crosshash | Looks like a flag gone wild |
| 22:38.15 | Mr_Rabies | wowhead says it's weekly, so who knows lol |
| 22:38.35 | Mr_Rabies | weekly makes a lot more sense |
| 22:41.16 | foxlit | yeah, I don't think there's any danger of me collecting 1000 anima every day. |
| 22:43.32 | znf | I mean, I've done it... |
| 22:43.44 | znf | pretty sure I get more than 1k / day ? |
| 22:45.23 | znf | The current iteration of whatever the weekly PvP quest for alliance is called does literally nothing to address any imbalance |
| 22:45.31 | foxlit | I'd guess there's about ~400 in world quests. |
| 22:46.29 | foxlit | I'm drawing a blank on what instances give you, but probably not anything significant? |
| 22:46.56 | znf | All it does is create alliance deathsquads for 2-3 days at a time, after the majority of players completed their quest, they turn it back off; meanwhile, horde turns it off for those 2-3 days, then they turn it back on |
| 22:47.45 | foxlit | I just play with war mode permanently off. |
| 22:48.19 | foxlit | Wish the "hey, join the war mode!" quests had a different exclamation mark so they'd be easier to ignore. |
| 22:52.06 | znf | the only reason I play with it on is because of the PvP talents |
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| 22:53.38 | znf | foxlit, I don't recall doing anything else other than dailies today, and I completed my anima quest |
| 22:54.01 | foxlit | the instance weeklies in oribos? |
| 22:54.07 | znf | nope, nothing but WQs |
| 22:54.12 | znf | sorry, meant WQs |
| 22:57.21 | znf | speaking of anima - who had the great idea to make so many different items? |
| 22:57.30 | znf | like I'm made of bag slots |
| 22:58.57 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/hxhN8cD.png |
| 23:01.29 | znf | After I do one full round of WQs, I'm sitting at 1 free bag slot |
| 23:04.06 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/addons/opie/release/xe3 << now with #nounshift, [in:shadowlands] and [in:torghast] and an additional quick action mechanism that doesn't require you to center rings at mouse cursor. |
| 23:04.53 | foxlit | the former is probably only useful to 1 spec. |
| 23:05.14 | znf | what's unshift? |
| 23:06.44 | foxlit | some spells require you to be in human form; if you try casting them while in a different form, the game can either tell you that it's never going to work, or automatically cancel the form for you (unshift) and cast the spell. |
| 23:07.32 | znf | human form? |
| 23:07.38 | znf | worgen? |
| 23:07.48 | foxlit | hm, maybe "caster form" |
| 23:07.57 | foxlit | non-shapeshifted druids, basically. |
| 23:08.34 | foxlit | Does shadowform still prevent healing? |
| 23:08.34 | znf | ah |
| 23:08.40 | znf | "healing"? :D |
| 23:08.47 | znf | we have only Shadow Mend |
| 23:09.34 | znf | Apparently at low levels we get Flash Light replaced by Shadow Mend |
| 23:10.11 | foxlit | I think it at some point used to be the case that you couldn't cast Greater Heal and co while in shadow form, but still had those spells. |
| 23:10.29 | znf | nah, we don't have them anymore |
| 23:10.31 | znf | [01:10:19] 1,021 Anima infused into the Reservoir. |
| 23:10.34 | znf | that's from 1 round of WQs |
| 23:11.11 | znf | ok, so my troops went down https://i.imgur.com/ukJACj3.png |
| 23:11.13 | znf | they were 19 |
| 23:12.22 | znf | or so I remember? |
| 23:12.56 | foxlit | they probably were. |
| 23:14.04 | znf | but they're on a mission, I wonder if their level went down after I sent them |
| 23:14.27 | foxlit | that you can probably find out |
| 23:15.45 | znf | did you store the level? |
| 23:15.53 | foxlit | no, I don't. |
| 23:16.09 | znf | :( |
| 23:16.10 | znf | why not |
| 23:16.35 | foxlit | well, I do, but on completion |
| 23:17.26 | znf | before or after XP? |
| 23:17.35 | foxlit | before rewards |
| 23:18.02 | foxlit | /run local i, f = C_Garrison.GetInProgressMissions(123) for j=1,#i do f=i[j].followers for k=1,#f do print(i[j], C_Garrison.GetFollowerName(f[k]), C_Garrison.GetFollowerLevel(f[k])) end end |
| 23:18.10 | nevcairiel | wait until you complete the campaign and get the 4th guy, then the level will drop :p |
| 23:18.10 | znf | ["level"] = 19, |
| 23:18.18 | znf | they were 19 |
| 23:18.19 | znf | :) |
| 23:18.46 | znf | yeah, 19 |
| 23:18.48 | znf | now they're 18 |
| 23:18.51 | znf | good game mechanic... |
| 23:19.29 | nevcairiel | at least median should prevent too annoying behavior in the future |
| 23:19.38 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/6k2uT9T.png |
| 23:19.38 | foxlit | you know, it's not clear why it isn't just max() |
| 23:21.14 | foxlit | so it snapshots the stats when you start the mission, which is nice. |
| 23:21.47 | foxlit | I feel like the healing costs are a bit... dramatic. It's 300 anima to heal 465 HP for me at the moment. |
| 23:24.00 | znf | indeed |
| 23:24.07 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, it's totally worth it to just slap a dedicated healer on your ally to avoid those costs right now |
| 23:24.10 | Mr_Rabies | the heal costs are insane |
| 23:24.20 | Mr_Rabies | unless there's gonna be some "anima knowledge" mechanic or something |
| 23:25.05 | foxlit | there are "increased rewards from world quests" points in the renown progression |
| 23:25.58 | znf | [01:25:54] You have attempted too many group actions in a short period of time. Please wait momentarily before attempting further group actions. |
| 23:26.02 | znf | wish I'd knew WHAT actions.. |
| 23:28.19 | foxlit | ! there's more Log Horizon coming in January. |
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| 23:34.48 | Mr_Rabies | i should get into that, a friend keeps suggesting it to me |
| 23:35.16 | Mr_Rabies | gotta say that one opening is pretty good |
| 23:36.08 | foxlit | I wonder if that means the tax evasion case resolved |
| 23:37.10 | Mr_Rabies | lmao i activated the Mushroom transportation network in ardenweald |
| 23:37.20 | Mr_Rabies | and the text popup for the feature literally went |
| 23:37.24 | foxlit | "???" |
| 23:37.28 | Mr_Rabies | ? ? ? one exclamation at a time, dramatically |
| 23:41.48 | nevcairiel | yeah that was pretty funny |
| 23:42.04 | nevcairiel | the entire mushroom network writing is pretty hilarious |
| 23:57.43 | znf | Crosshash, any inside info on when/if/how the Maw phasing bug is looked into? |
| 23:57.55 | Crosshash | Huh? |
| 23:58.10 | znf | If you join a group in The Maw, you are not pulled in their phase |
| 23:58.26 | znf | You have to go to Oribos and come back again |
| 23:59.13 | znf | And this happens to everyone |
| 23:59.41 | znf | (with war mode on) |
