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| 01:09.38 | znf | Is there an addon for whatever happens in icecrown now? |
| 01:40.01 | Chipzz | znf: there's a handy notes addon for the rares |
| 01:44.48 | znf | thanks |
| 01:54.18 | znf | these things hit hard :-| |
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| 06:45.31 | AcidWeb | Gnarfoz: |
| 06:45.31 | AcidWeb | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/362165821784457217/779235962680770640/unknown.png |
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| 17:36.38 | TomCat | Something looks bugged with picking up ADDON_LOADED after LoadAddOn was fired - it shouldn't matter that the LoadAddOn was fired in the event handler of a parent's addon but it does: https://pastebin.com/rhG3LkQU |
| 17:36.41 | TomCat | is this new? |
| 17:41.33 | Funkeh` | No, that's how it works |
| 17:41.59 | Funkeh` | You cannot register for an event whilst that event is executing. Or more accurately, it won't register until the event has finished |
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| 17:45.48 | TomCat | yeah - seems a little odd that the registration gets delayed like that. the event that I'm trying to receive notice doesn't fire until after I've called to register for it. Definitely causes for an extra hoop to jump through to convert an addon to LOD |
| 17:47.18 | TomCat | but if that's how it's been working, I won't sweat it that it will be changed any time soon |
| 17:48.10 | TomCat | thanks for confirming |
| 17:48.46 | Funkeh` | you shouldn't really be loading an addon in ADDON_LOADED. Assuming addon A is also LoD, you should be loading both addons in whatever loads A, i.e. the load manager |
| 17:49.00 | TomCat | A isn't LOAD |
| 17:49.22 | TomCat | A would evaluate some criteria upon login to determine if B should load immediately... i.e. player is already in relevant zone |
| 17:49.31 | Funkeh` | if A isn't LoD then why is B? you're just loading B as soon as A loads |
| 17:49.44 | TomCat | it's just an example code to illustrate what I encountered |
| 17:49.52 | Funkeh` | ah ok |
| 17:59.27 | TomCat | Funkeh` - I sent you a whisper |
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| 19:06.17 | znf | what has replaced MAX_PLAYER_LEVEl_TABLE ? |
| 19:08.44 | znf | oh, it's just MAX_PLAYER_LEVEL now |
| 19:09.22 | znf | foxlit, why can't I search for functions? |
| 19:16.46 | foxlit | znf: why can't you? |
| 19:17.48 | Chipzz | foxlit: I suspect he can't find the appropriate functionality on your site? |
| 19:18.34 | Stanzilla | good old znf translator |
| 19:20.12 | Chipzz | Stanzilla: I was trying the constructive approach to a rhetorical question :p |
| 19:21.10 | Chipzz | instead of snark |
| 19:21.52 | Stanzilla | snark is better |
| 19:22.34 | Chipzz | but then I get other ppl on my case saying I'm being impolite :P |
| 19:24.35 | foxlit | I don't think that's a possibility. |
| 19:26.13 | Chipzz | what isn't? |
| 19:26.23 | foxlit | but also which site? which function? what goes wrong? |
| 19:26.34 | Chipzz | tly? |
| 19:26.47 | znf | foxlit, https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/36230/go/GetNumQuestLogEntries |
| 19:26.48 | znf | that! |
| 19:27.02 | znf | why does it only search for "FrameXML Symbols"? |
| 19:27.16 | znf | Why can't I search trough the whole FrameXML? |
| 19:27.40 | nevcairiel | because he doesnt want you do to full text searches :pö |
| 19:27.50 | znf | but I want to :( |
| 19:28.56 | Seerah | you could extract the code yourself from the client? |
| 19:29.11 | znf | Seerah, but I'm too lazy for that, and foxlit has a pretty web interface |
| 19:29.24 | Seerah | it takes 2 seconds |
| 19:29.37 | foxlit | I have a symbol index that is reasonably compact and indexed. I don't really know how to do a reasonable full text search for code. |
| 19:30.05 | znf | ElasticSearch? |
| 19:31.25 | Chipzz | foxlit: how do you determine what does and what does not get into your index? |
| 19:31.57 | znf | ALL_UPPERCASE? :D |
| 19:34.19 | Chipzz | znf: FYI today I etxracted the 3.3.5 sources, and 3.3.5 doesn't have the console command to extract the sources |
| 19:34.26 | Chipzz | which meant doing it with an MPQ editor |
| 19:34.32 | foxlit | It's more or less just global functions and widgets |
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| 19:35.22 | Chipzz | znf: so, well, could be worse |
| 19:35.37 | Chipzz | personally I just use grep on the sources to figure things out |
| 19:35.50 | Chipzz | but that's just me of course |
| 19:35.51 | znf | yeah, but I'm lazy about it :P |
| 19:36.12 | Chipzz | you're spoiled with the console command on live you know? :) |
| 19:36.27 | foxlit | (you can also just download a zip of everything, no mpq diving required) |
| 19:36.30 | Meorawr | There's also that useful download link right above the file list: https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/36230 |
| 19:36.44 | Chipzz | foxlit: where? |
| 19:36.57 | foxlit | ^ |
| 19:37.02 | Chipzz | foxlit: because the git repos with the WoW UI code tend to not contain everything I need |
| 19:37.23 | foxlit | That's because you aren't an add on author, silly :P |
| 19:37.27 | znf | I know, but I still prefer to do it in the browser :P |
| 19:38.12 | Chipzz | foxlit: either GlueXML is missing for old versions or the images are cnverted to PNG |
| 19:38.24 | Stanzilla | open chrome remote desktop to a computer with a terminal open in your browser |
| 19:38.27 | Stanzilla | now it's a website |
| 19:38.29 | Stanzilla | everyone wins |
| 19:39.15 | znf | you dick |
| 19:40.10 | Chipzz | Stanzilla: you're a real pro at social engineering ya know :D |
| 19:40.58 | znf | foxlit, Apache Tika? |
| 19:41.04 | znf | no, Solr |
| 19:41.35 | Chipzz | Stanzilla: if you want the source to my emulator you can just ask, you know? ;P |
| 19:42.16 | Stanzilla | i dont |
| 19:42.27 | Chipzz | although atm it's devolving into quite a clusterfuck so I doubt you'ld get it running :P |
| 19:43.44 | Chipzz | you need a) the compiled exe; b) Stubs dir; c) extracted Interface from 3.3.5; d) binary install of Vanilla (not Classic) WoW :P |
| 19:52.29 | Stanzilla | as long as you lint the xml, I'm sure it's fine |
| 19:53.17 | Chipzz | oh Stanzilla made a funny! :) |
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| 19:54.25 | Chipzz | but I'm afraid I have to disappoint; I'm currently working on the 3.3.5 code base, and there's little point in linting that |
| 19:55.08 | Chipzz | also Blizzard isn't taking patches anymore, only suggestions, which decreased my motivation to work on the linting of recent clients (although I may pick that up again at some point) |
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| 20:01.00 | Chipzz | Stanzilla: but if it makes you feel any better, a couple of weeks ago I managed to enter the game world on a 3.3.5 server (without loading FrameXML though, but packets are coming in and are being decrypted correctly) |
| 20:02.24 | Stanzilla | that really makes me happy |
| 20:04.32 | Chipzz | good! |
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| 20:35.06 | foxlit | znc: dunno. Are you saying that those are suitable for this purpose? |
| 20:41.34 | Chipzz | foxlit: I think he was replying to 20:29 < foxlit> I have a symbol index that is reasonably compact and indexed. I don't really know how to do a reasonable full text search for code. |
| 21:28.03 | foxlit | https://www.townlong-yak.com/box/goodbye-curseforge << I wrote too many words. |
| 21:49.33 | znf | foxlit, Solr should be |
| 21:49.49 | znf | Solr is a FTS engine, pretty fast |
| 21:54.59 | foxlit | can I search for 2+2? |
| 21:56.44 | foxlit | my impression is that for code search, you'd basically ned to kill all the natural language parsing features and maybe teach it something about the language grammar |
| 21:57.17 | foxlit | which seems like a pain |
| 21:57.21 | znf | that's a good question actually |
| 21:57.26 | foxlit | I like those. |
| 21:59.37 | znf | I'm sure someone made some sort of plugin for ElasticSearch |
| 22:03.08 | foxlit | (also, I'd need a JRE; meh) |
| 22:09.28 | znf | docker :P |
| 22:09.45 | znf | also, elasticsearch comes with its own JRE, at least under ubuntu/debian |
| 22:11.51 | Gnarfoz | AcidWeb: yeah I saw, neat! :) thanks |
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| 22:28.10 | Gnarfoz | why would a JRE be hard and why would Docker help ;D |
| 22:28.39 | Gnarfoz | and Solr doesn't do natural language anything unless you make it, IIRC |
| 22:29.23 | Chipzz | Gnarfoz: software shipping their own JRE is not very maintainable |
| 22:29.42 | Gnarfoz | that's... very tangential? |
| 22:30.32 | Chipzz | 23:28 < Gnarfoz> why would a JRE be hard >> it's not about a JRE being hard, it's about shipping a (likely outdated) JRE being a security nightmare |
| 22:30.50 | Gnarfoz | "I'd need a JRE" |
| 22:30.57 | Gnarfoz | not "I'd need to deal with an outdated JRE" |
| 22:31.06 | Chipzz | 23:09 < znf> also, elasticsearch comes with its own JRE, at least under ubuntu/debian |
| 22:31.25 | Gnarfoz | I was replying to foxlit, who made it sound obtaining a JRE was hard |
| 22:32.08 | Chipzz | he said meh; could very well be he wan't implying it's hard but rather that he hates Java? |
| 22:33.04 | Gnarfoz | .......... |
| 22:33.51 | Chipzz | personally I really hate Java, so if that sentence was coming from me that would be the case |
| 22:34.03 | Chipzz | and I'm not sure why that warrants a "..."? |
| 22:34.06 | Gnarfoz | I'd expect you to say "Ugh Solr, that's written in Java" |
| 22:34.56 | Chipzz | that would have worked too |
| 22:35.21 | Chipzz | I think both explanations are an option. |
| 22:35.58 | Chipzz | But given your reaction and that it's also a pointless discussion maybe better drop it? |
| 22:37.52 | Gnarfoz | I'll wait for foxlit to elaborate on what he meant :p |
| 22:38.40 | Gnarfoz | OTOH, I'd argue that software shipping its own JRE is perfectly maintainable, because it does not put the burden of maintenance on me :D |
| 22:38.57 | znf | yup |
| 22:39.03 | znf | I prefer it that way, too |
| 22:39.27 | znf | also, Gnarfoz, sometimes I do like Docker |
| 22:39.34 | znf | becuase... same reasons :P |
| 22:39.38 | Chipzz | you like having 10 year old software on you system that's likely bug- and exploit-ridden? |
| 22:39.43 | Chipzz | to each his own I guess |
| 22:39.44 | znf | pull a docker image, run it, confine it to localhost |
| 22:40.10 | Gnarfoz | Chipzz: if it's not used for anything else than the intended purpose? meh |
| 22:40.41 | Gnarfoz | also, updating the software itself is still necessary |
| 22:40.48 | Gnarfoz | so you get a newer JRE once in a while ;) |
| 22:40.54 | Chipzz | having it on your desktop is one thing. having it on a server a different thing |
| 22:41.10 | Gnarfoz | exactly, even less of an issue on a server |
| 22:41.31 | Chipzz | I would argue it's more of an issue |
| 22:41.42 | Chipzz | nobody gives a crap about your desktop |
| 22:42.08 | Chipzz | a server on the public internet OTOH? esp if said JRE is used to run a service? |
| 22:43.04 | Chipzz | (which is why I (partially) agree with znf about putting it in a container) |
| 22:43.05 | Gnarfoz | doubtful you'd put your ES cluster on the public internet |
| 22:43.20 | Chipzz | tomcat you might |
| 22:43.40 | Gnarfoz | if you like to live dangerously :D |
| 22:45.17 | Gnarfoz | chatting, playing Hearthstone and WoW at the same time... none of the 3 get the attention they deserve :D |
| 22:45.56 | Gnarfoz | I fear I'm making even less sense than usual so I'll butt out :P |
| 22:46.52 | znf | the future is containers :P |
| 22:46.56 | znf | you pull new ones, you destroy old ones |
| 22:46.58 | znf | short lived |
| 22:47.02 | znf | no time to be exploited :D |
| 22:47.02 | Gnarfoz | is it, though? :P |
| 22:47.10 | znf | it is, sadly |
| 22:47.23 | Gnarfoz | can do the same thing with VMs |
| 22:48.00 | znf | yeah, but with VMs you have to do maintenance for the whole OS |
| 22:48.18 | Gnarfoz | with containers, you just trust a random person somewhere! ^^ |
| 22:48.24 | znf | exactly, not my issue! |
| 22:48.51 | Gnarfoz | best to put some npm shit in there where you also have barely any idea what code you're running :D |
| 22:49.35 | Gnarfoz | perhaps do the whole thing on a VM image from who knows where; untrusted dependencies all the way down |
| 22:49.44 | Gnarfoz | speaking of old UI files, though, can't you just use the UI extraction tool from back then, Chipzz? |
| 22:50.11 | foxlit | can I just mention that the entire thing operates from a shoebox? |
| 22:50.30 | znf | Gnarfoz, he said that doesn't actually exist |
| 22:50.32 | foxlit | maybe the thing whose default configuration is |
| 22:50.37 | foxlit | "cluster" isn't quite the right scale. |
| 22:51.39 | foxlit | (tech wise, it's probably only a few years removed from having /cgi-bin/ in the URL) |
| 22:52.30 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: elastic? you can run Solr as a single node just fine (not sure if that's suitable for your dataz, though) |
| 22:52.54 | Gnarfoz | znf: he said the *console* export command doesn't exist |
| 22:53.21 | foxlit | so it's not so much that installing java is hard; it's more that not installing it is the easiest way to avoid having to think about it in the future. |
| 22:53.22 | Gnarfoz | wasn't there a separate tool from blizz that did this back then? |
| 22:53.35 | foxlit | there was. |
| 22:54.06 | foxlit | https://wow.gamepedia.com/Interface_AddOn_Kit |
| 22:57.00 | foxlit | I now have 2.4GB of UI code. |
| 22:57.46 | znf | Gnarfoz, switched our VM cluster to AMD EPYC |
| 22:57.51 | znf | IT GOES BRRRRRT FAST |
| 22:58.04 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: not using something is the best way to make sure it doesn't break, certainly =D but if your shoebox has the equivalent of "apt update && apt upgrade"... it's not that much work |
| 22:58.25 | znf | Until it goes EOL |
| 22:58.25 | znf | :D |
| 22:58.41 | Gnarfoz | that's when you do do-release-upgrade |
| 22:58.48 | znf | yes, and pray |
| 22:58.54 | znf | I did a 14.04 -> 20.04 the other month |
| 22:58.58 | znf | god... so much work |
| 22:59.13 | Gnarfoz | epyc2 I hope? |
| 22:59.19 | foxlit | most of my dist upgrades went smoothly. |
| 22:59.24 | Gnarfoz | also yes, much brrrrrrt |
| 22:59.28 | foxlit | If you don't install anything, nothing can ever go wrong. |
| 22:59.37 | znf | Gnarfoz, nah, 7502 |
| 22:59.47 | Gnarfoz | that's epyc2 |
| 22:59.49 | znf | ah |
| 22:59.54 | znf | I tought the new one is epyc2 |
| 23:00.06 | znf | epyc2, zen3... amd and it's naming |
| 23:00.07 | Gnarfoz | that is the newest one |
| 23:00.09 | znf | it's worse than intel |
| 23:00.24 | znf | I don't know man, it's AMD EPYC 7502P 32-Core Processor |
| 23:00.26 | znf | whatever :D |
| 23:00.28 | Gnarfoz | nah, server parts are just a bit behind |
| 23:00.36 | Gnarfoz | yeah, last digit = generation there |
| 23:00.54 | Gnarfoz | 7xx1 are epyc1 |
| 23:01.11 | Gnarfoz | 7xx2 are epyc2 and epyc3 is not out yet |
| 23:01.19 | znf | we went from 7 or 8 nodes, to 3 |
| 23:01.26 | znf | and we have 1TB spare RAM :D |
| 23:02.08 | Gnarfoz | (at least with epyc, the zen "version" matches the epyc "version", epyc1=zen1, epyc2=zen2, etc) |
| 23:03.57 | Chipzz | 23:49 < Gnarfoz> speaking of old UI files, though, can't you just use the UI extraction tool from back then, Chipzz? >> I believe before you could extract the files from the console, the way to get the files was to download a zip file from the blizzard site |
| 23:04.34 | Gnarfoz | see above |
| 23:04.42 | Gnarfoz | the zip did not contain the files, but a tool |
| 23:08.29 | Arrowmaster | our new vdi hosts are running on epyc, dont know which ones though |
| 23:09.06 | Arrowmaster | I just configure the networks |
| 23:09.12 | Chipzz | surprised that it's actually still available |
| 23:09.34 | Chipzz | there's no reason for it to still be available, 3.3.5 being severly outdated and all that :P |
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| 23:17.16 | znf | LOL, I was leading a ICC Rares group |
| 23:17.20 | znf | we've done like 2 cycles |
| 23:17.37 | znf | Suddenly, when waiting for Patch, half of us were AFK and an alliance group showed up of nowhere, killing us all :D |
| 23:18.05 | znf | some shard merging, I presume |
| 23:41.27 | znf | uhm, I just realized - we're not getting new bags in SL? WTF? :-| |
| 23:46.07 | Ennea | an addon without bag creep? damn |
| 23:47.05 | znf | I want my +2 slots! :( |
| 23:49.10 | nevcairiel | we already had 30 in wod, so either legion or bfa didnt add +2 either |
| 23:49.44 | nevcairiel | i think they are pretty happy with the inventory size |
| 23:49.54 | nevcairiel | frankly i got 150 slots now, it is plenty |
| 23:49.55 | znf | hmm, what happened to GetQuestLogRewardXP |
| 23:50.04 | znf | I can't find a reference in the api |
| 23:50.09 | znf | but one of my antique addons is using it |
| 23:52.37 | Ennea | it's still on the api page in the wiki |
| 23:52.40 | Ennea | just doesn't have its own page |
| 23:52.59 | znf | ah |
| 23:53.01 | znf | ok... |
