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| 05:41.54 | bluspacecow | Seeking clarification on https://medium.com/curseforge/important-curseforge-support-moderation-and-site-access-updates-ee0de8ae11 Does this mean existing addons can't update after the 24th ? Or that we have up to the 30th to keep updating addons? |
| 05:47.12 | nebula | seems like if you upload an addon after the 24th it'll be held in queue as opposed to an addon packaged by their system, then on the 30th it all freezes |
| 05:48.01 | nebula | but really, "manual project moderation" with no elaboration could mean any number of things |
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| 06:11.57 | bluspacecow | yeah i know - nearly every person I've seen post about it has interpreted that to mean "OMG no addon updates during patch week" |
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| 06:44.42 | bluspacecow | heh |
| 06:44.43 | bluspacecow | https://www.wowhead.com/news=319169.9/curseforge-suspending-addon-updates-during-shadowlands-launch-week#p4604740 |
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| 09:08.21 | foxlit | bluspacecow: I don't think you are correct. |
| 09:08.46 | foxlit | (which is amusing for someone who starts with "Wowhead you have misread the blog.") |
| 09:09.03 | bluspacecow | how so ? |
| 09:09.33 | foxlit | "unless something gets flagged for manual review" is a giant gaping hole in "should be fine" |
| 09:10.04 | bluspacecow | well if someone puts an exe in their zip file that should flag it for manual review yes ? |
| 09:10.13 | bluspacecow | #ihopeso |
| 09:10.19 | foxlit | can you guarantee that *absolutely nothing else* will? |
| 09:11.03 | bluspacecow | where did I say absolutely nothing else will ? |
| 09:11.07 | bluspacecow | im confused |
| 09:11.43 | foxlit | In "for the vast majority of addon updates that should be fine" |
| 09:12.39 | nevcairiel | thats probably true though, just dont include an executable, or break the folder layout |
| 09:13.30 | foxlit | (a) that seems to be unmarked speculation on blu's part. |
| 09:13.43 | foxlit | (b) in my personal experience, that's not actually true. |
| 09:14.10 | bluspacecow | yes i'm a bit ambiguous there |
| 09:14.14 | nevcairiel | in my personal experience, no single file was ever held up in moderation |
| 09:14.16 | nevcairiel | so YMMV :P |
| 09:15.17 | bluspacecow | the post's frozen so I can't update it sorry :( |
| 09:15.38 | foxlit | indeed. I'm only contributing a data point that updates which do not include executables and do not alter file or folder structure may require manual moderation |
| 09:16.12 | bluspacecow | Thank you for your feedback |
| 09:19.23 | foxlit | more importantly, is the overwolf plan still to delete and rename author accounts while continuing to distribute uploaded files? |
| 09:19.54 | bluspacecow | I dunno sorry |
| 09:25.50 | Mr_Rabies | yes, foxlit |
| 09:25.55 | Mr_Rabies | If you opt out, all attribution on your projects and public posts will be removed and replaced with âForge_User_[RandomNumber]â. |
| 09:26.43 | foxlit | how is that not flagrant copyright infringement? |
| 09:27.34 | Mr_Rabies | if folks are worried they should send a DMCA notice when it happens, and be prepared to take it to court |
| 09:28.37 | nevcairiel | the license you provided during uploading of your code may have included a transfer in case of a change of ownership, not like anyone reads those |
| 09:29.48 | foxlit | (ii) With respect to User Content known as âadd-onsâ, âmapsâ, âmodsâ, or other types of projects submitted through CurseForge.com or related sites (the âSubmitted Projectsâ), the rights granted by you hereunder terminate once you remove or delete such Submitted Projects from the Twitch Services. You also acknowledge that Twitch may retain, but not display, distribute, or perform, server copies of Submitted Projects that have been removed |
| 09:29.48 | foxlit | deleted. |
| 09:29.53 | nevcairiel | and if you dont want your stuff hosted there anylonger, just delete it outright? :D |
| 09:32.41 | nevcairiel | its not like this is "new", when you didnt recover your account in the move to twitch, you also got renamed to ForgeUserXXXX and your project remained listed |
| 09:35.48 | foxlit | It seems like it would be difficult to delete anything when you're renamed into [RandomNumber]. |
| 09:36.19 | nevcairiel | but why would you let it get to that when you know? :p |
| 09:36.22 | AcidWeb | That is a strong opinion Citizen #432138765. |
| 09:36.24 | AcidWeb | ð |
| 09:36.31 | Ennea | welcome, to city 17 |
| 09:37.14 | foxlit | nevcairiel: I don't know -- their communication has been shit. |
| 09:37.49 | Chipzz | did twitch sell off their entire mod section or just WoW addons? |
| 09:37.56 | foxlit | like, basic questions: /when exactly/ does this happen? |
| 09:40.03 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:40.14 | foxlit | can I get a copy? |
| 09:40.25 | nevcairiel | are you an EU citizen? |
| 09:40.30 | nevcairiel | then, absolutely |
| 09:40.46 | nevcairiel | because its guaranteed by law :p |
| 09:41.11 | Ennea | honestly, gdpr has been quite pleasant |
| 09:41.12 | Maldivia | AcidWeb: I was looking over som error logs today, from a service we run -- and someone was trying to access <your name>@theirdomain.com -- as in the literal string "<your name>" |
| 09:41.58 | Ennea | that reminds of the whole "Choose a name. Choose wisely, as it can't be changed later." ordeal, and players being called Wisely as a result |
| 09:42.06 | nevcairiel | I'm told the handover is supposed to happen on Dec 2, so presumably your account transfer also happens in that week they announced downtime for |
| 09:42.10 | foxlit | do I have to go down to the cellar, with a flashlight, navigate a broken staircase, and submit my legal complaint to a locked filing cabined stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard'? |
| 09:42.24 | bluspacecow | or they choose "changed later" |
| 09:44.21 | AcidWeb | Maldivia: https://xkcd.com/327/ |
| 09:44.27 | Ennea | bluspacecow, there is actually a game that implemented some witty messages for choosing either "wisely" or "changed later" |
| 09:44.30 | nevcairiel | GDPR requets are pretty formless, just a mail requesting your data should suffice, if no specific data handling mail is named, just to support |
| 09:44.31 | Ennea | can't remember which one that was |
| 09:44.49 | bluspacecow | was that the one posted on reddit ? cause that was funny |
| 09:45.13 | foxlit | can you even gdpr overwolf? presumably they *don't have* the personal information in question. |
| 09:45.30 | nevcairiel | then do it to twitch |
| 09:46.45 | Ennea | bluspacecow, i believe it was on reddit, yea |
| 09:47.35 | foxlit | what are the odds twitch has anyone left capable of responding on behalf of curseforge? |
| 09:47.58 | foxlit | and they do so before the transfer happens? |
| 09:48.38 | nevcairiel | the GDPR response window is 30 days, so you might be a bit late |
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| 09:52.38 | Maldivia | AcidWeb: well, not quite bobby tables :D but yeah |
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| 11:40.33 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/FungulusP/status/1328653029676085255 |
| 11:40.41 | bluspacecow | we should become the addon authors borg |
| 11:40.44 | bluspacecow | resistance is futile |
| 11:42.56 | nevcairiel | making vague recommendations in three easy steps is how you win the internet, didnt you know |
| 11:45.09 | Ennea | that fungulus person seems to have forgotten that the addons also still need to reach the users somehow, preferably in some way that is simple ;p |
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| 12:41.13 | foxlit | introducing addoncoin, the blockchain-based addon distribution mechanism. |
| 12:47.32 | Ennea | ouch |
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| 13:58.40 | Chipzz | heh |
| 13:58.53 | Chipzz | I was just using a map viewer to view the vanilla maps |
| 13:59.06 | Chipzz | didn't know there was an alternate map for stormwind stockades |
| 14:09.59 | Ennea | what do you mean, alternate? |
| 14:11.02 | nevcairiel | vanilla has loads of unused maps for things |
| 14:11.05 | znf | I'm late to the party, but: <Ennea> honestly, gdpr has been quite pleasant |
| 14:11.17 | nevcairiel | they had loads of in-progress stuff that was shelved, discarded, maybe recycled later |
| 14:11.18 | Ennea | that it does, nev |
| 14:11.29 | znf | So far, for me, all GDPR got me was "now you have to click 5000 buttons to accept cookies on every website" |
| 14:11.35 | Ennea | and thank god they had all of that. the exploration scene back then was amazing |
| 14:12.01 | Chipzz | Ennea: there is a map that looks like stockades but has a different layout |
| 14:12.09 | Chipzz | the other map has a 2nd floor |
| 14:13.23 | Ennea | znf, mind you, cookie consent stuff is separate from gdpr |
| 14:13.29 | Chipzz | Ennea: the real stockade map is called StormwindHail, the other is StormwindPrison |
| 14:13.31 | Ennea | Chipzz, oh yea, i believe i've seen that |
| 14:13.34 | znf | Ennea, I'm talking about the "marketing preferences" |
| 14:13.39 | znf | Which are, technically, also cookies |
| 14:13.50 | Chipzz | *StormwindJail |
| 14:14.10 | Ennea | znf, although a tad annoying, i'm happy to have those |
| 14:14.33 | znf | We need someone smart© to offer their time to make some github actions that automatically pack libraries when making an addon release, directly from github |
| 14:14.52 | nevcairiel | we already have that? |
| 14:15.01 | foxlit | also that's an anti-feature. |
| 14:15.08 | Chipzz | znf: I believe you just volunteerd :) |
| 14:15.21 | znf | Chipzz, nah, I never touched github actions |
| 14:15.23 | znf | nevcairiel, do we? |
| 14:15.42 | nevcairiel | many of use that for months if not years |
| 14:17.36 | nevcairiel | nebula is maintaining the script and the github action |
| 14:19.24 | DiscordB | <Stanzilla> it's A++ |
| 14:19.37 | nevcairiel | lazy stan, get your ass in here |
| 14:19.48 | Stanzilla | fine |
| 14:19.54 | Ennea | :D |
| 14:21.42 | nevcairiel | technically i need to modernize my github actions to actually use the actions instead of manually referencing the scripts and stuff |
| 14:22.12 | Stanzilla | I started something for generic shit but stoppped |
| 14:22.27 | Stanzilla | I made a github org with a org wide action |
| 14:22.28 | nevcairiel | i also have a script to extract locale that i copy between addon repos |
| 14:22.34 | Stanzilla | so in theory every addon you add to the org, automatically has packaging |
| 14:22.37 | nevcairiel | i should punt that into an action |
| 14:23.06 | Stanzilla | https://github.com/WowAce-Community/.github |
| 14:24.25 | nevcairiel | personally, i like control :D |
| 14:25.28 | Stanzilla | it was mostly for me, the addons that I helped maintnain over the years that I no longer have interest in |
| 14:25.40 | nevcairiel | but what I would like is a more agnostic place to perhaps store actions we share, for easy discoverability, and perhaps also the packager, instead of stuff hidden in different users and projects |
| 14:25.46 | Stanzilla | because people started making "fn updates" and putting them on CF |
| 14:26.45 | Stanzilla | yeah I mean sure |
| 14:26.51 | Stanzilla | if neb is up for that |
| 14:27.09 | Stanzilla | and you want to make an action for translations, we can put that there |
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| 14:36.01 | bluspacecow | official confirmation - https://twitter.com/UriMarchand/status/1328702348575830023 |
| 14:38.34 | foxlit | confirmation of what? |
| 14:38.56 | bluspacecow | that addon updates are fine until Nov 30th |
| 14:39.04 | Stanzilla | well |
| 14:39.09 | Stanzilla | their wording was just weird |
| 14:39.12 | foxlit | it added exactly nothing. |
| 14:39.16 | Stanzilla | it said manual approvals were stopped |
| 14:39.22 | nevcairiel | yeah that post changed nothing |
| 14:39.32 | nevcairiel | there is no clarification what is manual |
| 14:39.52 | nevcairiel | the only thing that was added is that they are looking into extending manual throughout that week |
| 14:40.36 | nevcairiel | which was apparently due to thanksgiving instead of anything else, or so the wording is supposed to make you believe? guys, stay home, don't go to big familiy meetups, and just work! :P |
| 14:41.09 | bluspacecow | https://twitter.com/TheOverwolf/status/1328701762044309504 |
| 14:41.23 | bluspacecow | its safer not going to family meetups cause COVID |
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| 19:00.27 | Mr_Rabies | for some reason this changelog reads as a bit passive aggressive and it made me laugh: "Updated for Patch 9.0.2, the second Shadowlands pre-expansion patch." |
| 19:01.58 | Mr_Rabies | also all the loading screens are broken lol |
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| 20:53.04 | pnorman | I was thinking of taking a day off on Tuesday but then thought about it and remembered when has it ever been 100% playable on an expansion release day |
| 20:55.15 | nevcairiel | in legion and bfa it was fine |
| 20:55.29 | nevcairiel | last problems were in wod, which was all centered around the garrison not loading |
| 20:56.47 | nevcairiel | (YMMV if you are on the biggest servers) |
| 20:57.04 | pnorman | It was working in the evening, but I had problems in the morning |
| 20:57.23 | nevcairiel | i played at all the times and never had to stop |
| 20:57.34 | nevcairiel | thats all i know :D |
| 21:12.17 | Yuyuli | shadowlands is the first expansion in a while where leveling is linear again |
| 21:12.23 | Yuyuli | for your first char at least |
| 21:25.25 | Yuyuli | @crosshash not really UI but whats up with /who, why is it so broken :\ and also how come years after introducing CRZ, it still can't handle CRZ either |
| 21:25.36 | Yuyuli | pretty annoying to get no players found like 90% of the time now |
| 21:25.47 | Funkeh` | i thought it was fixed for 9.0.2 |
| 21:25.57 | Yuyuli | wait was it? well EU is not on that |
| 21:26.03 | Funkeh` | well that's why |
| 21:31.06 | Yuyuli | asked on big discord, appears still to be broken |
| 21:33.05 | nevcairiel | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:33.14 | nevcairiel | instead of just /who GuildName |
| 21:34.57 | Yuyuli | hm you are right, thats weird |
| 21:36.44 | Yuyuli | the players who show up via that, if you search for them normally refuse to show up |
| 21:36.57 | Yuyuli | but the ones who showed up withyout -g, will also show up normally |
| 21:37.24 | Yuyuli | when searching for the player name |
| 21:38.13 | nevcairiel | afaik its limited to your current phase or such |
| 21:38.23 | nevcairiel | but you can also search for player names with n- i think |
| 21:38.47 | nevcairiel | there is prefixes for all search contexts |
| 21:39.17 | Yuyuli | i did try n- already, didn't work |
| 21:40.52 | Yuyuli | so g-guildname playername works, but n-playername will not |
| 21:41.08 | Yuyuli | not exactly useful for players who are not in guilds |
| 22:16.46 | nevcairiel | which category based bag addon is working still these days? |
| 22:17.31 | AcidWeb | if you talking about metabags: adibags, arkinventory, baggins |
| 22:17.39 | AcidWeb | nothing changed for years |
| 22:20.11 | znf | why did curse sent me $10 lol |
| 22:20.38 | AcidWeb | they currently flushing all points |
| 22:21.12 | znf | pnorman, the last "unplayable" launch was WoD |
| 22:21.56 | znf | and that was due to what nevcairiel said |
| 22:22.03 | znf | but everything else was smooth as butter |
| 22:22.44 | AcidWeb | If you like butter that look like coal, smell like coal and it is coal ð |
| 22:23.17 | nebula | I was horde, spawn rates were so fucked in the first areas, bet the rush to the garrison so that didn't block, spent the next 6 hours killing 12 ogres |
| 22:23.29 | nebula | beat the rush* |
| 22:24.15 | nevcairiel | i've been on a relaxed server for a while so strong-traffic-bottlenecks are reduced, and I managed to get through the garrison and just not visit again for two days, so WoD was bearable |
| 22:24.34 | nevcairiel | legion and bfa i had zero game-breaking issues |
| 22:24.57 | nevcairiel | on the largest servers, anything can turn into a problem, i guess |
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| 22:40.43 | Yuyuli | i use the Sorted bag addon currently |
| 22:40.59 | znf | I've been on one of the largest servers in EU (Kazzak) |
| 22:41.08 | znf | and I haven't had issues in legion or bfa |
| 22:41.24 | znf | and I was only "stuck" in WoD for about 30 minutes |
| 22:43.58 | Yuyuli | wod was unplayable at launch night, the entire zone was laggy af d.d |
| 23:05.53 | znf | eh, it was workable |
| 23:06.25 | nevcairiel | wod definitely wasnt great, but i still managed to play through the night and hit max |
| 23:06.56 | znf | same |
| 23:09.04 | nevcairiel | cataclysm i actually went to bed because a crucial progression quest broke and i really didnt want to just abandon the zone and go do another |
| 23:09.49 | nevcairiel | but i guess broken quests are more of a one-off then something everyone faces equally |
| 23:10.56 | znf | hmm, no issue with cata that I can remember |
| 23:15.13 | znf | but I did pick the water zone first |
| 23:15.15 | znf | and that took forever |
| 23:16.02 | Yuyuli | any idea if they fixed the character selection screen in 9.0.2 |
| 23:18.56 | Meorawr | I can confirm that my character selection screen - which worked fine in 9.0.1 - still works in 9.0.2. |
| 23:19.09 | Meorawr | (What was there to fix? :p) |
| 23:28.39 | Yuyuli | i can't properly move around characters |
| 23:29.11 | Yuyuli | i think it only happens if you have a scrollbar |
| 23:30.02 | Yuyuli | so once i scroll down, a character i select jumps upwards in the list |
| 23:30.10 | Yuyuli | when trying to move it |
| 23:41.18 | foxlit | Crosshash: could we get an unprotected CameraStop() to match MouselookStop()? |
| 23:43.18 | Crosshash | I'll add it to the list |
| 23:43.38 | foxlit | I sometimes show a full-screen button in response to a keybinding. This button has an an OnClick handler, which prevents the LeftButton release event from reaching the worldframe. That gets the client stuck in perpetual camera rotation mode if the user was holding the LMB, pressed the binding, and released LMB while my button was visible. |
| 23:44.54 | foxlit | calling MouselookStop() lets me avoid this with the RMB, while CameraOrSelectOrMoveStop is protected. |
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| 23:52.40 | Ketho | Crosshash: is it intended the cursor does not blink/disappear immediately anymore when mouse clicking to move the camera? |
| 23:53.04 | Ketho | https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/psa-about-weird-mouse-issues/695772/5 |