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| 20:56.49 | Chipzz | Crosshash: request: ability to reject quests and make it impoossible for that quest to reappear in the quest log |
| 20:56.59 | Chipzz | in particular, the popup quests like invasions |
| 20:58.15 | Chipzz | when I go to a Legion zone, and there's an invasion active, the quest being pushed into your face is not nice |
| 20:58.26 | nevcairiel | they had the ability to ignore quests before, it apparently confused players, so i wouldnt bet on being able to permanently ignore something |
| 20:58.36 | Crosshash | ^ |
| 20:58.49 | Chipzz | same for BfA if I don't care for the particular invasion on that toon |
| 20:59.03 | Chipzz | Crosshash: how about a button in the quest log? |
| 20:59.10 | Chipzz | like next to the abandon button |
| 20:59.26 | nevcairiel | it used to be a button, it was removed |
| 20:59.27 | Crosshash | What if you accidentally click it? |
| 20:59.49 | Chipzz | show a confirm |
| 21:00.03 | foxlit | what if you get hit over the head with a fish and forget you ever clicked it? |
| 21:00.19 | Chipzz | even better, the confirm dialog can have 3 buttons: 1) Don't Rejeect 2) Reject Once 3) Reject Always |
| 21:00.44 | Chipzz | foxlit: I'ld much rather forget the Legion invasion quests exist in the first place |
| 21:01.39 | foxlit | point is, you'll wake up one day and wonder where all the quests went. |
| 21:01.55 | foxlit | "guess blizzard isn't into quests now" |
| 21:02.00 | Chipzz | no, not "all" the quests |
| 21:02.09 | Chipzz | I'm talking about a very particular type of quest |
| 21:02.45 | Chipzz | like I said, I'm talking about the zone-wide quests like Legion/ BfA invasions |
| 21:02.59 | Chipzz | the ones that pop up in your face |
| 21:03.27 | Chipzz | you can abandon them only to just have them reappear in your quest log again |
| 21:04.32 | Chipzz | Crosshash: in the end it is about agency: If I decide I do not care for the quest, "who" the hell is the game to tell me I'm wrong and just push the quest in my face again? |
| 21:05.14 | Chipzz | putting it bluntly: the game doesn't know what I want to do, I do. |
| 21:05.36 | foxlit | you're petitioning to point a loaded gun at everyone's feet. |
| 21:05.54 | Chipzz | no, and you know very well that's false: |
| 21:05.58 | Chipzz | 21:59 < Chipzz> show a confirm |
| 21:06.08 | foxlit | that doesn't help. |
| 21:06.12 | nevcairiel | such a feature will never happen for the same reason that quest ignores were removed again |
| 21:06.23 | nevcairiel | you have to assume players will forget and complain |
| 21:06.35 | Chipzz | you're not going to click the reject button by accident, but even indulging that argument, a confirm should be fine |
| 21:07.05 | foxlit | because the problem isn't "oops, I pushed the button by mistake", the problem is "I intended to push the button at some point in the past and now I've forgotten the button even existed" |
| 21:07.09 | Chipzz | foxlit: people are stupid. nothing will help stupidity. that's not a reason to reject progress |
| 21:07.43 | Chipzz | by that line of reasoning, why have a game at all? |
| 21:08.15 | foxlit | the argument is that there shouldn't be a way to screw over future you without them realizing it. |
| 21:09.23 | Chipzz | how is rejecting an invasion quest screwing future you? |
| 21:09.46 | foxlit | future you is missing out on all of them phat buffed invasion quest rewards. |
| 21:10.37 | Chipzz | also, like I already said:22:00 < Chipzz> even better, the confirm dialog can have 3 buttons: 1) Don't Rejeect 2) Reject Once 3) Reject Always |
| 21:11.20 | Chipzz | even assuming they buffed the invasion quests, which they never did, I only rejected it once so I can still get that phat reward |
| 21:12.16 | Chipzz | also, the BfA invasion quests aren't relevant content anymore |
| 21:12.27 | Chipzz | and soon neither will the Legion quests be |
| 21:13.07 | Chipzz | the druid class hall has this problem for example |
| 21:15.29 | Chipzz | I've been doing the follower missions that reward Mark of Honor for example, so I have to visit there sometimes |
| 21:16.42 | Chipzz | and it annoys me that when a Legion Assault is active in Val'Sharah I can't reject it because it bears no relevance on current content and it clutters up my quest log with pointless bullshit |
| 21:17.03 | Yuyuli_ | i would like if they finally increased the quest limit |
| 21:17.31 | Chipzz | that too, but for me it's mostly cluttering up the UI that bothers me |
| 21:17.37 | Yuyuli_ | remember when we actually had daily and normal quests seperate? how do we have LESS quests slots today, when there are more quests |
| 21:17.46 | Yuyuli_ | it's ridiculous |
| 21:18.25 | Yuyuli_ | there are plenty of quests you have to keep in your log for a while, either because they take time.. or because lazy |
| 21:18.59 | Yuyuli_ | it's just so annoying to see 'your quest log is full' |
| 21:19.09 | Yuyuli_ | like, don't stop me from questing please? just fix it already |
| 21:19.19 | Chipzz | I agree, but that wasn't what my complaint was about |
| 21:22.01 | Yuyuli_ | i don't really mind these auto accept quests, but it would be nice if once accepted + abandoned, they will automatically be accepted without showing that annoying popup on the side thats a fake accept |
| 21:22.41 | Yuyuli_ | just annoying to keep abandoning them, but at least could stop being double annoying |
| 21:23.06 | nevcairiel | a few lines of addon code could resolve that |
| 21:23.08 | Chipzz | honestly if you abandon a quest the game should get that through its thick skull |
| 21:23.20 | Chipzz | "What part of abandonned did you not understand?" |
| 21:24.28 | Meorawr | "I abandoned this quest because it bugged out and now it's not offered to me, pls fix" |
| 21:24.39 | Chipzz | Meorawr: no |
| 21:24.49 | Chipzz | Meorawr: I am not talking about random quests |
| 21:25.10 | Chipzz | Meorawr: I am talking about a very specific and small subset of quests |
| 21:25.12 | nevcairiel | the same thing could happen with such type of quests |
| 21:25.46 | Chipzz | that's a pretty broken line of reasoning IMO |
| 21:26.44 | nevcairiel | your opinion is noted and disregarded |
| 21:26.46 | Chipzz | why have any feature at all if there's a chance for bugs? really? |
| 21:26.51 | Yuyuli_ | Ok what about a improved UI, if you are in a given area, if you really abandoned it.. it shows up under Abandoned, doesn't take a quest slot and lets you retake the quest. |
| 21:27.09 | Yuyuli_ | it's not an existing feature |
| 21:29.20 | foxlit | don't some quests already not count against the quest log limit? |
| 21:30.54 | Yuyuli_ | yes but you would still have the q in your log every time to abandon it, but if it instead moved to an abandoned tab you could easily retake it, and it would not clutter your active quests. |
| 21:31.34 | Meorawr | If only we had some sort of customizable user interface, perhaps with an API of sorts with functions for managing quests... |
| 21:32.14 | Chipzz | Meorawr: if only the server wouldn't boycot such an addon by repushing the quest anyway |
| 21:32.16 | foxlit | you really do not want the quest to be in an abandoned state. |
| 21:33.12 | foxlit | (consider a "complete 4 world quests" invasion quest -- if you finish the invasion WQs before realizing that you aren't actually on the invasion quest, you're screwed) |
| 21:33.12 | nevcairiel | but why couldnt such an addon just hide the quest from you and abandon it at a later time when the event is over, or in fact, the quest probably removes itself after the invasion |
| 21:33.50 | nevcairiel | all your annoyances, gone by simple hiding it |
| 21:34.04 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: the quest does remove itself after the invasion, but it's still annoying me for the duration of the invasion |
| 21:34.14 | nevcairiel | hence addon to hide it |
| 21:34.55 | foxlit | so the easiest fix is to have forced-upon-you temporary quests not count agains the quest log limit, and you to write an addon that just hides what you don't want to see. |
| 21:36.23 | nevcairiel | wouldnt be surprised if those are already excluded |
| 21:36.35 | nevcairiel | you also dont want the push to fail when someone has a full log |
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| 21:37.49 | Chipzz | foxlit: my point is: yes some people do stupid things. but WoW isn't a game designed for people with an IQ of minus infinity. If you want a game designed for the lowest common denominator, maybe Hello Kitty Island is a better game for you? |
| 21:38.53 | Chipzz | if you keep lowering standards for the sake of the 0.000001% with an minus infinity IQ, you end with a game not worth playing |
| 21:39.01 | Chipzz | WoW has complexity and that's why I like it |
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| 21:44.56 | Chipzz | if you "accidentally" press the reject button (not sth I find likely to happen, since you have to release your mouse-button over the button again, making the chance of an accidental mouse-click smaller), and then again "accidentally" click the "Reject Always" button again, either you need a new mouse or you need a brain :P |
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| 21:46.38 | nevcairiel | but just hiding the popup and maybe even the quest from the log if you wish could be done with a small addon, and you wouldnt notice it anymore |
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| 21:49.20 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: I've abandonned regular quests in the past. and then when I went for loremaster earlier this year I had to figure out what I had done and what I hadn't done. But there's addons for that |
| 21:49.44 | Chipzz | also the map shows you ! markers these days so you can easily pick it up |
| 21:50.24 | Chipzz | but by your line of reasoning we should make it impossible to abandon regular quests too, which is obviously bonkers |
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| 21:51.20 | Chipzz | the bottom line is that the design should be geared toward the 99.99999%, not toward the 0.00001% |
| 21:51.25 | Chipzz | as with everything in life |
| 21:51.54 | nevcairiel | but the auto-push is the only way to obain those quests, and you've now turned it off, so now they need to make a UI to somehow list them and turn them back on, or some other game design change to put them on a NPC or whatnot, the point is a simple reject functionality is not the end of the story |
| 21:52.28 | Chipzz | or maybe the quest shouldn't be auto-accept in the first place |
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| 21:53.22 | Chipzz | maybe the quest popping up should give you yes/ no/ later options? |
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| 21:54.23 | Chipzz | I've found the automatic accepting part of these quests to be in bad taste anyway, it takes away my choice |
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| 22:59.45 | Kemayo | It's pretty hard to tell what counts against the quest limit. It's a very opaque experience. |
| 23:12.17 | Mr_Rabies | they should just make it tab them by expansion and have each expansion have a limit |
| 23:12.37 | Mr_Rabies | stuff that doesn't fit in the mold like pet battles, etc goes into a misc tab |
| 23:15.33 | Mr_Rabies | or at the very least increase the limit a bit to accomodate for the slow gain of hidden quests that you can't abandon that are counted towards the limit |
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| 23:40.17 | Yuyuli_ | if i recall right, they actually increased the quest limit in the ui log, but not server side |
| 23:41.43 | Yuyuli_ | in the past we had normal and dailies split, which went way over the current 25 limit, so i wonder whats really stopping them from increasing it. |
| 23:44.33 | Yuyuli_ | at least i think it did, been a long time |