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| 16:04.11 | Crosshash | Next PTR build should have backdrop fixes, including the removal of forbidden on the chat bubbles' backdrops. |
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| 16:10.17 | nevcairiel | wee |
| 16:10.21 | nevcairiel | taint be gone? |
| 16:10.57 | Crosshash74 | Yeah. You can cancel the blackjack and hookers. |
| 16:11.17 | nevcairiel | well lets not get crazy |
| 16:11.49 | nevcairiel | we can always use those with UIDropdown |
| 16:13.23 | Crosshash74 | Every time we get a new person, some of us joke about giving them the dropdowns refactor. |
| 16:21.49 | Chipzz | Crosshash74: maybe you should just hire foxlit, he might be able to turn the joke on you for actually doing it before you're able to use the joke on him ;) |
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| 16:36.47 | Meorawr | Crosshash74: I'd pick you up and squeeze you like a teddy bear but that might seem a bit weird, so you'll have to settle for a "thanks" and a pat on the head instead. |
| 16:36.58 | Meorawr | Most people seem to prefer that anyway. |
| 16:37.55 | Crosshash74 | Heh |
| 16:40.23 | Stanzilla | Crosshash74: any reason why you guys are not picking up foxlit's patches in the meantime though? |
| 16:40.48 | Crosshash74 | Patches for what? |
| 16:40.58 | Stanzilla | UIDropdown bugs |
| 16:41.07 | Stanzilla | slash taint |
| 16:44.33 | Crosshash74 | I believe that's a legal thing |
| 16:45.41 | Stanzilla | there have been a lot of community contributed fixes applied before though |
| 16:47.17 | nevcairiel | foxlit doesnt even have "patches" as such, but short textual suggestions on how to resolve it, reading that and making code out of it surely has no copyright implications |
| 16:47.29 | nevcairiel | either way its all here https://www.townlong-yak.com/bugs/PfF9rr-UIDropDownMenu |
| 16:47.43 | nevcairiel | the last two are the real issues now |
| 16:48.03 | foxlit | not dropdowns, but also this: https://www.townlong-yak.com/bugs/gXwH4P-IOFrameSelection |
| 16:48.05 | Crosshash74 | Stanzilla https://imgur.com/gallery/LwEWwmG |
| 16:48.36 | Stanzilla | Crosshash74: I think nevcairiel's patch for something was applied last week or so? :D |
| 16:48.53 | nevcairiel | well also not directly a patch but a description of how to make one :) |
| 16:48.55 | Stanzilla | or was it just an implementation suggestion, I forget |
| 16:48.56 | Stanzilla | yeah |
| 16:49.06 | Stanzilla | foxlit's stuff is pretty much the same |
| 16:56.26 | Meorawr | Crosshash74: While we're at it - any chance the "exportinterfacefiles" console command can either be made executable from the framexml layer, or via a command line switch for the client itself? As there's (still) no console access on the glue screens there's no way to actually execute it currently in 9.0. |
| 16:56.57 | Meorawr | Would be nice if the officially sanctioned method to export those files worked. |
| 17:09.18 | Crosshash74 | Next PTR build will have console access |
| 17:09.57 | Meorawr | You're ticking these off pretty rapidly. |
| 17:10.29 | Meorawr | Can the next PTR build also buy me a mansion? Might as well try my luck here. |
| 17:13.04 | foxlit | I feel you're doing that wrong. Try "by reading this message, you agree to buy me a mansion." |
| 17:13.20 | Crosshash74 | An in-game mansion? With servants? We call those garrisons. |
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| 17:47.07 | Meorawr | Crosshash74: Any ideas on when (or even _if_) Blizzard_Deprecated is going to be blasted from orbit? Currently all the backwards compatibility stuff is still there in 9.0 complete with the "this will be removed in the next expansion" warning. |
| 17:47.58 | Crosshash74 | We'll definitely remove it before the prepatch goes live |
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| 19:12.30 | Tentacled | About community patches - there's that stupid legal thing about profiting from someone's work, even if provided without charge - some companies just can't do it without legal hassle. Then there's the other thing about copyrights - even if a patch is royalty free and copyleft, some companies insist on their employees using only their own, original work, and only using officially signed-off third-party sources. |
| 19:14.03 | Tentacled | So it sometimes boils down to employees actually begging communities NOT to supply patches, as it may force them to use other, less efficient means of solving problems, so as not to risk being sued for "stealing" code even from public copyleft sources. |
| 19:14.48 | Tentacled | (Although as I have no links to articles handy, all this classifies as "maybe".) |
| 19:17.14 | foxlit | I have this great idea that after Shadowlands, Blizzard might release another WoW expansion. |
| 19:17.35 | Yuyuli | implementing the community fixes is one thing |
| 19:17.37 | Tentacled | What have you done!!! |
| 19:17.39 | foxlit | Now they better not. |
| 19:17.42 | Yuyuli | but... you know, why not just fix the actual issue lol? |
| 19:17.50 | Yuyuli | there is no legal shit there to avoid |
| 19:18.43 | Yuyuli | 'hey look there is a bug in this line, oh no we can't fix that. |
| 19:18.44 | Tentacled | Yuyuli: the point was that if enough community patches are published, developer might have to scramble for OTHER means of patching the issue, so as not to (indirectly) use any of the perfectly good solutions offered up. |
| 19:19.36 | Yuyuli | some of the bugs are so persistent and require so little work to fix |
| 19:20.30 | Yuyuli | does any of the blizz folk actually check the public bug tracker some of us use to report some of the bugs? XD |
| 19:22.19 | Yuyuli | Ok but how about this, just include a proper license with your community patches, now the code can be taken without credit, without risk? |
| 19:22.41 | foxlit | You cannot fix insanity that way. |
| 19:24.10 | AcidWeb | It seems that suing Blizzard for moral damages caused by dropdown taint might be easier. |
| 19:24.41 | foxlit | Personally, I'm more inclined to think that nobody wants to touch the taint-related stuff with a 10-foot pole. |
| 19:25.32 | foxlit | That's at least seems less insane than suggesting that one-line changes to your own code constitute a creative work worthy of copyright protection. |
| 19:29.22 | foxlit | (considering the silly Show/HideUIPanel patch, that's perhaps for the better) |
| 19:33.03 | Seerah | reading this thinking "what about the old Strike Team?" |
| 19:40.29 | Tentacled | Some people are real assholes about copyright, so I wouldn't be surprised if, say, Blizzard had a really paranoid policy. |
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| 22:05.02 | Gnarfoz | there are laws for that, being an asshole doesn't play into it |
| 22:05.54 | foxlit | how do people remember which way the mklink/ln arguments go? |
| 22:06.14 | nevcairiel | remember that one is optional, then it makes sense |
| 22:06.34 | Gnarfoz | by being reminded every so often when you do it the wrong way around |
| 22:07.00 | foxlit | I feel like I'm worse at this than at inserting USB-A plugs. |
| 22:07.30 | nevcairiel | "ln -s /that/file/i/want" creates a link named "want" in your current folder, which is actually not that uncommon to use, which helps me to remember that the target comes first |
| 22:07.31 | foxlit | even the help doesn't help: "mklink Link Target": is link what I'm creating, or what I'm making target link to? |
| 22:07.56 | nevcairiel | mklink is of course the opposite from ln just to screw with you |
| 22:08.43 | nevcairiel | calling the existing path "link" would be weird, hence only one way it makes sense |
| 22:09.40 | nevcairiel | mklink i get wrong as well, i guess, but i rarely use that, much more often ln, which i got into me eventually |
| 22:12.14 | Gnarfoz | I guess you're not using GNU ln? at least my 'ln --help' is quite clear |
| 22:12.19 | foxlit | You could interpret it as "set the link attribute on target to point to..." |
| 22:13.04 | Gnarfoz | only if you think "link attributes" might exist! :D |
| 22:15.34 | foxlit | attribute is a bit of an overloaded term there, but in broad strokes, there surely has to be some property of some file system object that both says "hey, this isn't an ordinary file" and "it links to this other thing" |
| 22:21.51 | Gnarfoz | guess that depends on the filesystem |
| 22:22.50 | Gnarfoz | symlinks are just files anyway, and on several Linux filesystems, "regular file" just means "data with 1 link to it" |
| 22:25.08 | foxlit | I think that confuses symlinks = soft links != hard links. |
| 23:50.02 | foxlit | hm, weird. So I wrote some naive code to draw an edgefile onto eight textures, and it almost works -- except it's like a pixel or two more inset than what SetBackdrop achieves. |