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| 08:12.32 | netameta | Did blizzard ban LFG kind of addons ? |
| 08:16.00 | AcidWeb | vastly crippled automation of lfg |
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| 09:41.48 | netameta | Acidweb in what way ? |
| 09:42.15 | netameta | I have created LFG addon but not one that parses chat |
| 09:42.36 | netameta | basically one that you create group and whoever has the addon can use it |
| 09:44.28 | netameta | basically use a channel to transfer messages |
| 09:47.17 | AcidWeb | Blizzard clearly stated by their actions that this type of addons are not welcome. |
| 09:48.01 | AcidWeb | And if one of them will gain too much popularity it will probably end with more restrictions. |
| 09:48.31 | Mr_Rabies | in classic? https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/wow-classic-patch-1133-lua-api-change/384543 |
| 09:50.01 | Mr_Rabies | i think it's dumb especially considering meeting stones existed in vanilla but they're strangely missing in classic |
| 09:52.03 | Mr_Rabies | but people whined and blizzard didn't want to risk harming the runaway success of classic by not listening to their audience, but classic also had a pretty steep dropoff around the time they started further crippling addons |
| 09:53.05 | Sintacks | is it really classic if we have addons that didn't exist during classic. |
| 09:53.31 | Mr_Rabies | to turn that around, is it really classic if they're banning all sorts of things addons could do in classic? |
| 09:53.54 | Meorawr | Addon comms via custom channels wasn't a thing until WoD I think? |
| 09:54.10 | Meorawr | Of course that doesn't account for standard SendChatMessage restrictions applied since. |
| 09:54.26 | Mr_Rabies | yeah they were certainly added after classic, but the ui is also HEAVILY restricted otherwise compared to classic |
| 09:54.29 | Sintacks | is it really classic if it runs on current code? |
| 09:54.29 | Sintacks | lol |
| 09:55.21 | Mr_Rabies | they're attempting to have their cake and eat it to by going OKAY THIS WASN'T IN CLASSIC LET'S TAKE IT OUT |
| 09:55.36 | Mr_Rabies | OKAY WE THOUGHT CLASSIC LET YOU DO TOO MUCH WITH ADDONS SO WE GOTTA REALLY SHORE THAT UP |
| 09:56.06 | Mr_Rabies | er s/classic/vanilla in that last one |
| 09:56.54 | Meorawr | That was mostly because Classic "influencers" had Twitter rants and 15 minute YouTube videos about how such addons would destroy the community |
| 09:57.20 | Mr_Rabies | that's how you know they didn't play classic :v |
| 09:57.43 | Mr_Rabies | if you didn't have a one button macro to do your entire rotation (which may only be two spells but you know) |
| 09:57.49 | Mr_Rabies | you were working hard, not smart |
| 10:03.59 | Mr_Rabies | i'm too much of a scrub to name actual functon limitations and stuff with 2.X but addons lost a ton of power |
| 10:04.48 | Mr_Rabies | to say "the ui didn't have this functionality in vanilla" isn't really an excuse when classic's ui is now even more limited than 8.X's |
| 10:05.30 | Mr_Rabies | (and they removed the built in group finder from vanilla, because they really didn't want to recode a tool that only sorta worked and they implemented way better later) |
| 10:08.39 | nevcairiel | the actual group finder that looked a bit like the one we have now didnt come until BC, vanilla had various non-working versions |
| 10:08.59 | Mr_Rabies | they "Worked" but |
| 10:09.10 | Mr_Rabies | you could wind up with a group of 5 mages |
| 10:09.25 | Mr_Rabies | (which tbh is't all that different than classic :v ) |
| 10:11.22 | Mr_Rabies | they did slowly add logic that tried to make functional groups with a healer and tank if possible, but it still generally preferred faster queues |
| 10:12.53 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think they work on most pservers and very few people remember them or even used them in vanilla, but they did exist |
| 10:13.48 | Mr_Rabies | people might complain but i think a simple version of the current group finder tool would be an immense help, classicLFG was really nice while it lasted |
| 10:14.54 | Mr_Rabies | oh apparently it got updated in some capacity, nice |
| 10:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | i sorta wish classic hit around now instead, i had fun but my friends gave up on the leveling at like 30, and then BFA got an update |
| 10:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | i never stepped foot in a raid even after the slog to 60 :( |
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| 12:34.14 | cirdan | addons certainly talked via custom comms pretty sure in vanilla, but def in tbc |
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| 12:34.32 | cirdan | gatherer would send node locations to everyone in your guild that had it |
| 12:34.44 | Ennea | yea, most of the addon message stuff was added in tbc iirc |
| 12:34.48 | cirdan | also in vanilla there were addons to give you the focus frame |
| 12:35.10 | cirdan | and 1-click raid healing addons |
| 12:35.19 | Ennea | well.. vanilla things |
| 12:35.31 | Ennea | okay, according to the wiki: sendaddonmessage got whisper functionality in tbc with 2.1 |
| 12:35.35 | Ennea | sendaddonmessage itself was added in 1.12 |
| 12:35.41 | Ennea | channel addon messages were added in 6.0.2 |
| 12:36.24 | cirdan | gatherer was sharing node locations in tbc w/o spamming the guild chat |
| 12:36.48 | Ennea | well, it could use whisper |
| 12:36.52 | Ennea | and i suppose it did |
| 12:36.59 | Ennea | wait, guild.. yea, guild messages were already a thing |
| 12:37.15 | Ennea | with the introduction in 1.12, guild, party and raid were already a thing |
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| 12:58.51 | cirdan | you you |
| 12:59.06 | cirdan | you coudn't see the updates happen |
| 13:00.41 | cirdan | hmm maybe gatherer came out in tbc |
| 13:00.50 | cirdan | i thought it was in vanilla |
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| 13:01.58 | Ennea | i think it did came out in vanilla |
| 13:02.02 | Ennea | i'm pretty certain of it, actually |
| 13:02.08 | Ennea | but it did not have that sharing feature initially |
| 13:02.21 | Ennea | i distinctly remember downloading a gatherer database with a bunch of nodes from somewhere.. |
| 13:02.57 | cirdan | yeah |
| 13:02.59 | cirdan | wowhead |
| 13:03.14 | cirdan | they had seed files which were great |
| 13:03.19 | cirdan | https://github.com/jsb/Gatherer |
| 13:03.27 | cirdan | someone updated gatherer to share via guild chat |
| 13:03.33 | cirdan | for vanilla |
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| 13:36.45 | netameta | Mr_Rabies, vanilla did not have useful meeting stones ! |
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