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| 06:35.51 | AcidWeb | Tentacled: Well I made a deeper dive in data and after testing on single items apparently I'm getting offers that don't exist and some that exist don't return... |
| 06:36.14 | AcidWeb | ItemID is ok, name is ok but rest don't match anything on the market. |
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| 13:16.15 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.48 | Chipzz | foxlit: just blacklist that one since it's mostly just data anyway? |
| 13:35.04 | foxlit | "mostly" is kind of a problem -- there's almost certainly some UI-modifying code somewhere in those 17gb. |
| 13:36.51 | Chipzz | sounds like bad design (and a waste of bandwidth) not to split those up |
| 13:36.59 | Chipzz | but then that's not sth you can fix oc |
| 13:37.03 | nevcairiel | i wonder how many more times this can come up until you could've used the time to write a cleanup job =p |
| 13:37.42 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: I think his whole point is to keep all versions |
| 13:38.09 | Chipzz | foxlit: then again, why don't you (ab)use git or another versioning control system for this? |
| 13:44.44 | foxlit | (a) that sounds complicated (b) I'm not sure it'd actually help. |
| 13:46.13 | foxlit | I assume the bulk of those zips is volatile rating data, so there wouldn't be much git could do to it except store uncompressed copies of everything. |
| 13:46.34 | Chipzz | well it's text which tends to compress well |
| 13:46.56 | Chipzz | esp if it's a lua table with string keys that get repeated over and over again |
| 13:47.21 | foxlit | does git actually compress anything |
| 13:47.25 | Chipzz | but even if it wouldn't give the best results for r.io, it would give very good results for all the other addons |
| 13:48.21 | Chipzz | so while it doesn't address this particlar addon, it would alleviate your disk space concerns (assuming that actually is a concern) |
| 13:49.21 | Chipzz | I mean, if you're trying to keep all versions of an addon, aren't you just doing what VCS's do, but in a worse way? |
| 14:04.58 | AcidWeb | foxlit: It was uploaded to globe or what? |
| 14:12.29 | foxlit | Chipzz: I think the trade-off here is that I get to keep zip compression + easily-retrievable originals at the cost of not being able to perform deduplication |
| 14:14.00 | foxlit | extracting everything into git would save me from storing 8 gazillion copies of LibStub I probably have lying around, but wouldn't do much for volatile blobs in raider.io or undermine journal. |
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| 14:15.19 | foxlit | AcidWeb: no, it was uploaded to the internet. I just keep a copy. |
| 14:16.04 | AcidWeb | ah for moment I thought somebody felt the need to upload a iconpack to globe ;p |
| 14:17.18 | Chipzz | foxlit: code changes in other addons are much smaller and more isolated though, which is where VCS'es are good at compressing |
| 14:17.42 | Chipzz | (I'm not sure if git compresses individual objects, but it does compress the differences) |
| 14:25.27 | foxlit | other addons also have less frequent and smaller individual releases, so they're less of a pain to store this way. |
| 14:26.10 | foxlit | that top 25 list accounts for like 75% of the storage. |
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| 17:05.37 | VIad | foxlit: what could be done different with rio? like push every region update to separate "addons" or just purge the old history of older zips on the project? |
| 17:08.09 | foxlit | https://www.wowace.com/projects/raider-io-lod-database-eu-horde-raid << heh, this died. I wonder why. |
| 17:10.22 | foxlit | viad: I could blacklist separate addons if they didn't do anything interesting, but that's kind of meh. Purging history wouldn't do anything useful. |
| 17:11.22 | VIad | hmm the reason it was like this was the simplicity to push updates from the db, into git, then a tag for twitch to zip it and deploy |
| 17:11.52 | foxlit | the obvious design thing is just to stop shipping the complete database altogether. |
| 17:13.03 | foxlit | do the "hey, what's your io score?" "my score is 9001, and I also killed Onyxia last night." exchange through addon messages, and have people retrieve their own score through the website. |
| 17:16.22 | foxlit | (as a bonus, the retrieve-a-score page would show their ads rather than twitch's) |
| 17:21.43 | AcidWeb | and what would stop people from modifying SV? |
| 17:23.54 | foxlit | have the website digitally sign the "my score is 9001" message and don't share the private key. |
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| 17:25.54 | AcidWeb | hmm |
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| 17:29.44 | nevcairiel | thats litereally what asymetric crypto is for, validating data over insecure channels :) |
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| 17:44.25 | nebula | wow, curse removed all of cqwrteur's addons |
| 17:44.27 | nebula | lol |
| 17:44.50 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:45.09 | nebula | oh boy |
| 17:46.07 | Ennea | was that the guy shitting on everything else making "better" versions of everything? |
| 17:46.19 | nebula | among other things |
| 17:46.57 | Vardex | He is the L2 cache dude |
| 17:47.18 | nevcairiel | reported for self-admitted ban evasion :d |
| 17:47.33 | Ennea | Vardex, aaahh |
| 17:47.34 | AcidWeb | We need "cqwrteur forever!" t-shirts. |
| 17:48.46 | nebula | but lol at what people report |
| 17:49.07 | nebula | https://i.imgur.com/cfZdgAU.jpg |
| 17:49.36 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 17:49.40 | Mr_Rabies | what addons did he make? |
| 17:52.22 | Mr_Rabies | looks like mostly lookingforgroup |
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| 17:57.36 | Ketho | serves him right. |
| 17:58.31 | Ennea | i like how you joined just to say that :D |
| 18:05.52 | mikma | dedication |
| 18:14.23 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Seerah -> 8.3 ToC: 80300 || 1.13 ToC: 11302 || http://pastebin.com || Discord: https://discord.gg/sVQCHr5 || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl |
| 18:18.01 | Ketho | oh right, classic toc is 11303 |
| 18:21.53 | foxlit | I don't think having those in the topic is actually useful -- "go /dump GetBuildInfo() yourself" would be far more reliable. |
| 18:22.42 | foxlit | (nobody releases addons without launching the wow client at least once during a patch, right?) |
| 18:25.57 | Vardex | Can't really go in game to see toc since classic need a sub |
| 18:27.09 | foxlit | -> don't release classic addons. |
| 18:34.06 | Ketho | *twitch releases them anyway on classic because why not* |
| 18:54.10 | foxlit | that sounds like a somebody else's problem. |
| 19:04.36 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Seerah -> 8.3 ToC: 80300 || 1.13 ToC: 11303 || http://pastebin.com || Discord: https://discord.gg/sVQCHr5 || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl |
| 19:09.12 | Tentacled | So how come Draenor Garrisons are now lacking player coordinates, like dungeons? They used to work nicely in 8.2... |
| 19:10.18 | nevcairiel | in my experience they had their coordinates missing ever since the limit was introduced |
| 19:10.22 | foxlit | ... they had the coordinate restriction ever since they were introduced. |
| 19:10.34 | nevcairiel | in fact i even used them for testing since it was easier then traveling to a dungeon |
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| 19:11.10 | Tentacled | (that was weird.) |
| 19:12.02 | foxlit | (you just managed to dodge people telling you that you're wrong) |
| 19:14.03 | Tentacled | That's a skill. |
| 19:16.28 | Ketho | that skill is so good it disconnected your internet |
| 19:23.36 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.02 | Tentacled | But seriously, do garrisons work for anyone else? <_< |
| 19:25.39 | nevcairiel | [20:10:18] <nevcairiel> in my experience they had their coordinates missing ever since the limit was introduced |
| 19:25.39 | nevcairiel | [20:10:22] <foxlit> ... they had the coordinate restriction ever since they were introduced. |
| 19:25.39 | nevcairiel | [20:10:34] <nevcairiel> in fact i even used them for testing since it was easier then traveling to a dungeon |
| 19:25.58 | nevcairiel | thats what you missed :p |
| 19:27.03 | Tentacled | Huh. I seem to recall them having SOMETHING wrong with coords, but it was possible to check the continent map and infer coords that way. |
| 19:27.30 | Tentacled | Now even UnitPosition("player") is nil. |
| 19:28.04 | nevcairiel | UnitPosition was always nil there for me |
| 19:28.25 | nevcairiel | Of course since 8.0 there is no other position anymore that you could infer from |
| 19:29.01 | Tentacled | There's GetPlayerMapPosition(). |
| 19:29.08 | Tentacled | on C_Map |
| 19:29.56 | nevcairiel | ever since the 8.0 rework that strictly obeys the same rules though, in my experience anyway |
| 19:30.46 | nevcairiel | but UnitPosition hasnt worked in garrisons ever since the day they locked it out in instances |
| 19:32.13 | Tentacled | Hmm. All right then. I'm pretty sure SOMETHING changed, because in 8.2 my arrow in garrisons was, well, wonky, while in 8.3 it's a plain "NO". Different fail. |
| 19:34.03 | Funkeh` | They probably changed it to a blanket rule in instances |
| 19:34.33 | Funkeh` | before 8.3 there was random instances that had coords working that I had to report, like boralus and wintergrasp |
| 19:34.50 | Funkeh` | as if there was a long blacklist they had to add instances to |
| 19:37.44 | foxlit | I'm annoyed by the instance portal roulette in 8.3. |
| 19:39.27 | foxlit | "where will the halls of origination portal take me?" is kind of unpredictable. |
| 19:40.40 | foxlit | (you can simultaniously be on multiple quests that override that portal) |
| 19:40.58 | nevcairiel | yeah i had that, but ultimately .. you want to do all of them anyway |
| 19:45.55 | foxlit | what I actually want is to run the visions instance a few more times, but, alas, gated. |
| 19:57.16 | foxlit | I understand that they probably want the fun things to last for most of the patch cycle rather than just the first few weeks, but this just feels anti-fun. |
| 20:00.14 | nevcairiel | I would like to be able to experiment with it, without losing my 3 keys a week |
| 20:00.23 | nevcairiel | let the keys control loot, or something |
| 20:00.29 | foxlit | ^ indeed. |
| 20:01.04 | nevcairiel | i already wasted a few keys this week because I went for fun and thrill instead of "safe" quest completion =p |
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| 20:51.41 | Tentacled | So... About ReplicateItems. When its results arrive, REPLICATE_ITEM_LIST_UPDATE event fires, possibly changing GetNumReplicateItems() result - that's for starters. But, should I expect the ORDER of the items returned to change? |
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| 20:52.12 | Tentacled | bah, right when TheDanW was out. :D |
| 20:52.18 | Tentacled | My timing couldn't be better today. |
| 20:52.31 | Tentacled | So... About ReplicateItems. When its results arrive, REPLICATE_ITEM_LIST_UPDATE event fires, possibly changing GetNumReplicateItems() result - that's for starters. But, should I expect the ORDER of the items returned to change? |
| 20:54.00 | Tentacled | Also, I wonder how I can be sure that the list I get is finally complete, if the next R_I_L_U event could change the GetNumRI() result... I hoped to just assume "all data in" when I get all values in the whole array (caching it bit by bit, not to re-ask for the same item twice), but apparently that won't fly. |
| 20:56.04 | TheDanW | i'm pretty out of the loop on the new AH api, i can see if someone is interested in commenting on it, no promises though! |
| 21:00.45 | AcidWeb | Tentacled: REPLICATE_ITEM_LIST_UPDATE dont change GetNumReplicateItems I already tested that |
| 21:01.43 | TheDanW | my understanding is that the behavior should be the same as the old system, but with a new API |
| 21:02.44 | AcidWeb | Well from my experiments I see it provide data about auctions that don't exist ð |
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| 21:07.16 | Tentacled | AcidWeb, my recent run begs to differ. |
| 21:07.47 | AcidWeb | Well maybe it is somewhat connected with server. |
| 21:08.30 | Tentacled | Or you had yours partially cached and RILU only filled in the blanks or something. |
| 21:10.04 | AcidWeb | I see entries that return proper name, itemid and item link but offer declared in rest of payload don't exist. |
| 21:10.16 | AcidWeb | Field 18 also return true. |
| 21:12.43 | Tentacled | You sure it wasn't just bought out or timed out? |
| 21:13.22 | Tentacled | After all it's not given that the results are accurate to the second, maybe they're a 5-minute-old snapshot. |
| 21:13.22 | AcidWeb | Yeah. |
| 21:13.40 | AcidWeb | I tested multiple items. |
| 21:15.12 | AcidWeb | Also in most of those entries price don't match price range currently on AH. |
| 21:15.27 | AcidWeb | It is like prices were taken from other items. |
| 21:15.28 | Tentacled | Another run, another set of changed GNRI(). |
| 21:15.48 | Tentacled | on R_I_L_U events. Not a once-off case, then. |
| 21:16.08 | Tentacled | s/once/one |
| 21:16.53 | AcidWeb | During my test every GetNumReplicateItems after every RILU returned the same number. |
| 21:17.32 | AcidWeb | Value changed after new C_AuctionHouse.ReplicateItems() |
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| 21:20.43 | Tentacled | My RILU handler first makes a rough copy of GRII(0..GNRI()-1) - rough in that it gives up after 1000 incomplete results - and then it gives a summary of "grabbed/total", just FYI how my test looked. |
| 21:22.02 | Tentacled | So obviously some missed results generate new RILUs, which cause another run of the copier, up until all results are cached. But this doesn't matter in the "GNRI changes" case. |
| 21:22.32 | AcidWeb | ¯_(ã)_/¯ |
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| 23:42.53 | foxlit | https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/news-purchase-a-6-month-subscription-and-get-a-new-mount/412950 << Yeah, right. |
