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| 04:18.39 | Chipzz | foxlit: and then you get "But the addon tells me on my screen it's best suited for me" and the argument starts in VC. How's taht better? |
| 04:22.06 | Chipzz | WoW is an MMORPG, it's not a single player game. It's inherently about cooperation and thus communication. These discussions will always happen, in some form |
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| 06:04.21 | Mr_Rabies | let everyone who bitches about loot stand and watch while you disenchant it because no one not bitching needed it |
| 06:05.04 | Mr_Rabies | easy fix to the social situation either way :v |
| 06:05.29 | Mr_Rabies | but realistically when people say "oh that item's better for x" we just respond "that's not how we distribute loot" |
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| 06:05.43 | Mr_Rabies | unless they say "oh, it's better for him, i'll pass" of course |
| 06:08.07 | Mr_Rabies | https://twitter.com/Gusbuckets/status/1212243138409975810 |
| 06:08.11 | Mr_Rabies | oops |
| 06:08.16 | Mr_Rabies | wrong channel lol |
| 06:08.34 | Mr_Rabies | that might be a bit loud if you click it for the record |
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| 11:51.41 | foxlit | Chipzz: [...] How's taht better? << There's some chance that what you've described doesn't happen because it involves more effort on the part of the person asking for loot. Since people are not in voice chat by default, it's also less likely that this sort of thing becomes a community expectation. |
| 11:54.15 | foxlit | I don't think the MMORPG->cooperation/communication->must discuss loot argument is universally true. Case in point: I have seen *zero* loot discussions in months of playing FFXIV. |
| 11:58.21 | foxlit | (and in this case in particular, I would hope that having to formulate the request manually would steer people away from the shitty "addon says it's optimal that you do this" appeal to authority to something more recognizing that other people in your group are humans too) |
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| 12:19.59 | Chipzz | I probably should have made it clearer that only the 1st line was in specific reference to loot; the 2nd line can refer to all kind of social interactions (not just loot arguments) |
| 12:20.25 | Chipzz | I don't know how loot works in FF |
| 12:21.14 | Chipzz | but the bottom-line is: humans are ingerently social animals. if people want to argue, whether it's about a piece of loot or sth else, they will find a way |
| 12:23.49 | foxlit | I think it's more useful to think of the "want to argue" classification as a real number rather than a binary yes/no. |
| 12:26.42 | Chipzz | on an unrelated note, WTH is Bob the Fish and the deplete buff? Can't seem to find the deplete buff on wowhead |
| 12:27.51 | Chipzz | (I kinda have a rough idea what Bob the Fish is but the wowhead article is the first thing I read about it, wonder if I missed some kind of announcement) |
| 12:27.53 | foxlit | because that decision involves some weighing of the costs and potential benefits. Clearly you can't prevent all arguments, but you could increase or reduce the likelyhood of them occurring by adjusting the costs. |
| 12:28.58 | foxlit | pug loot in FF works more or less the same way it works in wow: defeated bosses drop items, everyone selects between need (spec-restricted)/greed/pass, random rolls determine who wins. |
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| 12:30.17 | Chipzz | sure, but that doesn't tell me what kind of loot FF has; armor type dividing loot in 4 types is one thing that complicates stuff in WoW |
| 12:31.00 | Chipzz | whereas a chest in D3 is usable by all classes (although it may have the wrong primary stat) |
| 12:36.03 | foxlit | I think all three classes of items exist: designed-for-your-role, could-equip-but-would-suck-for-you, and can't-equip. |
| 12:38.42 | Chipzz | there's a whole spectrum of could-equip-but-would-suck-for-you though |
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