| 00:08.45 | Chipzz | that's a pitty :( |
| 00:09.02 | Chipzz | I used it on a regular basis |
| 00:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | you could probably use like xplit or obs or something right? |
| 00:21.25 | nebula | you can get your stream key off the site to use whatever, yes |
| 00:29.30 | nebula | no one i know uses facebook anymore, would be interesting to see the numbers for people that used it with bnet |
| 00:47.31 | znf | why would you stream games to facebook ?!? |
| 00:47.53 | nebula | that is the question |
| 00:47.55 | nebula | :p |
| 00:50.13 | znf | I mean, I did test the functionality myself |
| 00:50.22 | znf | but, it's such an incredibly bad system |
| 00:56.40 | Chipzz | matter of convenience for me really |
| 00:56.55 | Chipzz | FB streaming allowed me to share with select public of friends |
| 00:57.11 | Chipzz | wihtout requiring either recording software or local disk space |
| 00:57.56 | Chipzz | (I have an iMac with 512GB SSD and dual boot, no way I'm getting rid of OSX, so little space to spare) |
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| 03:21.07 | MooreaTv | FB is fine, and used. |
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| 06:30.47 | Ennea | Chipzz, luckily, obs is pretty easy to use. switching to that shouldn't be much of an issue |
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| 06:48.01 | znf | ^ what he said |
| 06:48.04 | znf | OBS runs on mac last time I checked |
| 06:48.10 | znf | and it's like ~100MB of software |
| 06:48.18 | znf | never heard someone complain about disk space before.. |
| 06:54.04 | Ennea | here's a disk space complaint: |
| 06:54.18 | Ennea | back when diablo 2 released, we only had a shitty pc with a pentium 2 and a 4gb hard drive |
| 06:54.35 | Ennea | a cd less install (full, with the cinematics on the hdd) was like 1.5gb |
| 06:54.36 | Ennea | so.. yeah |
| 06:54.49 | Ennea | fun times regardless |
| 07:37.36 | nevcairiel | thats why you had the o ption to load cinematics from cd :p |
| 07:41.52 | haste | baldur's gate 2 comes to mind |
| 07:42.06 | haste | had a 20GB HDD back then, bg2 + expansion took up 12G or so |
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| 08:20.22 | VIad | back then I also recall poor video file size compression, huge files (for the length and resolution) with short durations and potato resolutions |
| 08:28.42 | Mr_Rabies | i think blizzard used bink video at the time |
| 08:29.43 | Mr_Rabies | i think at the time it was regarded as pretty good compression but i'm sure is awful nowadays compared to even x264 |
| 08:32.10 | Mr_Rabies | wonder if any games use HEVC yet |
| 08:32.30 | VIad | wasnt specifically thinking of blizzard either. I remember that bink functioned as a "you need this software installed to play our videos" that meant the PC got the proper codecs installed as the standard support was probably just uncompressed AVI on all the systems :D |
| 08:32.54 | Mr_Rabies | well, games could use an embedded player |
| 08:33.03 | Mr_Rabies | but if you wanted to watch them otherwise you needed to use their player |
| 08:33.07 | Mr_Rabies | usually |
| 08:33.38 | Mr_Rabies | until ffmpeg/codec packs etc could decode it |
| 08:33.57 | VIad | I had some request to install bink I remember but ideally yeah. I remember the codec pack craze from back then too. |
| 08:35.04 | VIad | anyone remember CCCP (combined community codec pack) and the k-lite and kazaa codec packs? |
| 08:35.36 | nevcairiel | k-lite still exists for some reason |
| 08:35.59 | Mr_Rabies | yup, i actually still use CCCP as well, though i hear most people have moved on, i have no clue but i rarely watch video on my pc anyway |
| 08:36.16 | nevcairiel | CCCP was last updated in 2015, you really dont need any packs anymore |
| 08:36.33 | Mr_Rabies | CCCP by the end was mostly just frontend stuff for like libavc or something if i recall i dunno |
| 08:36.40 | Mr_Rabies | i imagine windows 10 has native avc support |
| 08:36.45 | VIad | I might be wrong but the Media Player Classic Home Cinema (MPCHC) is still popular along with VLC I guess, but MPCHC often has better colors people say and think its somehow connected to k-lite |
| 08:37.13 | Mr_Rabies | i'm still using windows 7 for now until i build a new pc |
| 08:37.31 | Mr_Rabies | so i haven't really looked into what folks are using nowadays |
| 08:37.35 | nevcairiel | even windows 7 had built-in avc support, but it was rather limited |
| 08:37.43 | Mr_Rabies | i hear some folks were using some insane command line video player nowadays or something lol |
| 08:38.14 | nevcairiel | depending on w hat you want to use, all you really need is MPC-HC itself, it contains relevant codecs bundled in |
| 08:38.33 | Mr_Rabies | fansub groups mostly died and those were the dudes using the weird subsets of codecs |
| 08:38.42 | VIad | how does one test if the video codec is supported by the OS natively or the software playing the file? :thinking: |
| 08:38.58 | AcidWeb | k-like pack definitely can be still useful but generic user don't need it anymore |
| 08:39.09 | Mr_Rabies | i mostly watch my anime stuff at a friend's house via kodi on an nvidia shield nowadays, and it handles everything but certain chroma subsampling stuff |
| 08:39.14 | VIad | I suspect mine is just the VLC/MPC that supports all the stuff I generally playback on my PC, even if the OS might not support it the software finds a way |
| 08:39.37 | Mr_Rabies | vlc i believe only will use its own stuff |
| 08:39.41 | Mr_Rabies | not the OS-level stuff |
| 08:40.12 | Mr_Rabies | i think 4:4:4 chroma subsampling has a heart attack on android kodi or the nvidia shield specifically or something |
| 08:41.19 | VIad | googling codec pack in generall so much malware bait clicks appear on google :S |
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| 08:41.52 | AcidWeb | Generic user can just take some 4k uhd hevc 10bit 140 Mbps video. |
| 08:42.12 | AcidWeb | If that don't cause explosion that everything non-exotic will be played correctly. |
| 08:42.20 | Mr_Rabies | weirdly enough |
| 08:42.32 | Mr_Rabies | there are cases where the SoC will handle hevc 10 bit perfectly fine |
| 08:42.42 | Mr_Rabies | but choke on h264 and especially h264 10-bit |
| 08:42.53 | AcidWeb | :S |
| 08:42.57 | Mr_Rabies | i think the raspberry pi 4 does that, specifically |
| 08:43.16 | AcidWeb | Sadly rpi4 is bad. |
| 08:43.31 | AcidWeb | bad |
| 08:43.32 | VIad | seems the windows media player codec support (I assume its what windows natively supports) is pretty much how I remember it from back in the way - limited |
| 08:43.56 | nevcairiel | its not actually weird. h264 10-bit was never mainstream and has no hardware acceleration support. |
| 08:44.03 | nevcairiel | hevc 10-bit is mainstream and has hardware support |
| 08:44.05 | nevcairiel | its all it is |
| 08:44.13 | AcidWeb | hevc codec is not installed out-of-box on win10 |
| 08:44.22 | AcidWeb | it is separate app in windows store |
| 08:44.25 | AcidWeb | for some reason |
| 08:44.37 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not sure how the nvidia shield handles h264 10-bit so well, but i guess it could just be that powerful to chug it and handle it most of the time |
| 08:44.52 | nevcairiel | presumably licensing, microsoft only has to pay patent licenses for people that install it, and not everyone |
| 08:44.59 | Mr_Rabies | or nvidia has some kind of accelerated solution |
| 08:45.14 | VIad | hey we just landed on h264 |
| 08:45.50 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just glad we're entering the phase where you can play the latest weird codec junk on devices under $100 now |
| 08:46.13 | Mr_Rabies | under $200 gets you just about anything you can throw at it |
| 08:46.44 | Mr_Rabies | but then again never underestimate the anime community's ability to find the most obscure thing and get super attached to it for stupid reasons |
| 08:47.11 | Mr_Rabies | trying to adopt 10 bit to solve a color banding problem that could also be solved with higher bitrates was the dumbest thing |
| 08:48.11 | AcidWeb | If we talking about PC monitors then 10 bit screens are not that popular yet. |
| 08:49.01 | nevcairiel | 10-bit isnt necessarily all about display |
| 08:49.06 | nevcairiel | but more efficient compression |
| 08:49.36 | AcidWeb | true |
| 08:49.47 | VIad | if I take off my glasses and watch from 10m away even a 720p 42" display can look like a 4k 42" - the only difference I'd notice would be the hertz/fps smoothness :P |
| 08:50.01 | Mr_Rabies | talking about video codecs, AcidWeb |
| 08:50.13 | VIad | a cheap way to make anything look good, take off glasses and dont notice the details or lackthereof |
| 08:50.29 | Mr_Rabies | the anime fansub community, during the time period before everything more or less getting streamed on a handful of services, loved h264 10-bit video for some reason |
| 08:50.29 | nevcairiel | thats nota cheap way to make anything look good, that just makes anything look bad |
| 08:51.25 | Mr_Rabies | but i've never enjoyed watching anything remotely serious on a computer, so i've been fighting playback issues for over a decade now lol |
| 08:51.44 | AcidWeb | Display-wise we need next generation of DisplayPort connectors. Because current one hit the wall with 4k pretty hard. |
| 08:53.35 | Mr_Rabies | looks like DP 2.0 is sort of released as of june |
| 08:53.36 | VIad | you just have to drop your standards lower and from that POV a lot of things look good tho |
| 08:55.04 | Mr_Rabies | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DisplayPort#2.0 |
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| 08:55.26 | VIad | after moving to 2k I think I can stick to that for a while longer, 2k 144hz is pretty good. 4k tho is still struggling showing 60+ fps isnt it? |
| 08:56.01 | AcidWeb | 2080ti is first gpu where you don't have to choose between quality and 60fps @4k |
| 08:56.21 | AcidWeb | So next generation should be even better. |
| 08:56.28 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i don't really notice the difference in 3d games as resolution goes higher on current displays, but i probably should visit an eye doctor sometime soonish for a new glasses prescription |
| 08:56.38 | Mr_Rabies | haven't bought new glasses since uhhh |
| 08:56.41 | Mr_Rabies | 2003? lmao |
| 08:56.55 | VIad | 1 year or a bit more I moved to 2k and it feels so big I dont know if I need more atm. physically the screen is larger too and I can't really move my head that comfortably around if it became any larger :p |
| 08:57.30 | AcidWeb | I used 1080p@144 > 2k@144 and now jumped to 4k@120 |
| 08:57.45 | Mr_Rabies | i notice framerate a lot more than raw resolution in 3d games, so long as it's at the monitor's native resolution it all looks good to me |
| 08:58.08 | AcidWeb | Quality improvement is VERY nice but migration from 144->120 was painful AF. |
| 08:58.44 | nevcairiel | good 4K gaming screens are still way too expensive imho |
| 08:59.05 | AcidWeb | yes definitely |
| 08:59.23 | AcidWeb | mostly because they pushing HDR as basic feature there. |
| 08:59.41 | AcidWeb | And we back do DP bandwidth problem. |
| 08:59.44 | AcidWeb | *to |
| 09:00.11 | nevcairiel | unfortunately they also stopped making good 1440p gaming screens with the same features as those 4K models, just less pixel |
| 09:02.36 | Mr_Rabies | i legit only upgraded to 1080p when i got a friend's 24.5 inch monitor |
| 09:03.03 | Mr_Rabies | i was 1680x1050 until then (and am currently still typing on that as a secondary monitor for irc etc) |
| 09:03.16 | Mr_Rabies | on a 22.5 inch monitor |
| 09:03.37 | Mr_Rabies | i would probably need a 30+ inch monitor to justify 4k lol |
| 09:04.00 | Ennea | Mr_Rabies, what makes you say that fansub groups mostly died? |
| 09:04.39 | Mr_Rabies | they still exist but almost everything gets picked up by streaming sites now |
| 09:04.56 | Mr_Rabies | so they mostly just pick up slack for awful sub jobs or are simply rippers nowadays |
| 09:05.01 | Ennea | still a bunch of fansub groups doing cleanup work and proper typesetting, right? |
| 09:05.33 | Mr_Rabies | i wouldn't call what most of them do fansubbing, just ripping and styling |
| 09:05.37 | Ennea | hm |
| 09:05.39 | Ennea | oh well |
| 09:05.40 | Ennea | fair enough |
| 09:05.49 | Mr_Rabies | there are some out there that do sub from the ground up, but they're much rarer now |
| 09:05.50 | VIad | fansubs I remember had really good subtitle management. stuff like instead of having the whole phrase on screen it would split in two parts if there was a punchline to not spoil it too early and match it with the video |
| 09:06.13 | Mr_Rabies | which is honestly fine bcause most of them were becoming a drama filled mess lol |
| 09:06.21 | Ennea | yea, there was a ton of drama.. |
| 09:07.16 | VIad | I havent followed the fansub scene for so many years. if there was drama I guess its licencing drama with the publishers of stuff they subbed? |
| 09:07.32 | Ennea | nah, drama inside the groups |
| 09:07.39 | Ennea | and between the groups.. |
| 09:09.07 | VIad | what was the common thread among all the group drama? I guess stuff like stealing subtitles from each other or something |
| 09:09.38 | Mr_Rabies | a bit but mostly just like |
| 09:09.56 | Mr_Rabies | sniping people from other groups, and most of the subgroups being run by very uptight people |
| 09:10.12 | Mr_Rabies | and argument over stylistic decisions |
| 09:18.27 | VIad | sounds like fansubs are like wow guilds |
| 09:18.57 | Ennea | p much |
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| 18:38.19 | Chipzz | Crosshash: random brainfart idea of the day: deprecate intrinsic attribute, replace with <Intrinsic> subtag which holds attribute definitions that map attributes to a setter similar to the <On*> script tags (ie include function, method and tag contents as a way to set the setter) |
| 18:39.27 | Chipzz | *("function" and "method" attributes and tag contents) |
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| 19:03.59 | Crosshash | Are you talking about defining arbitrary script handlers? |
| 19:29.27 | Chipzz | I'm talking about extending intrinsics with the ability to have extra XML attributes |
| 19:30.58 | Chipzz | <Frame name="MyIntrinsic" mixin="MyMixin"><Intrinsics><Attribute name="width" method="SetWidth"/></Intrinsics></Frame> |
| 19:31.12 | Chipzz | <MyIntrinsic width="150" /> |
| 19:34.06 | Meorawr | In that example would 150 be passed as a string or "intelligently" coerced to a number? |
| 19:34.23 | Chipzz | as a string |
| 19:34.58 | Chipzz | but you could extend the syntax to <Attribute name="width" type="float" method="SetWidth" /> I guess |
| 19:35.20 | Chipzz | just throwing around a random idea anyway :) |
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