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| 00:50.54 | Mr_Rabies | i changed the icon for a macro to a specific one not normally available in the macro icon selection list, pretty sure that makes me a veteran hacker now |
| 02:03.45 | znf | hackerman |
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| 04:08.13 | LexSfX | did Blizzard remove view distance from the system menu in Classic recently? i could have sworn i was fiddling with it the day Classic came out, but now i don't see it there |
| 04:08.31 | LexSfX | only environment detail and ground clutter |
| 04:08.48 | MiRai | I believe it's been removed since the BlizzCon demo |
| 04:08.57 | LexSfX | what blizzcon demo? |
| 04:09.04 | MiRai | from years ago |
| 04:09.08 | MiRai | or... last year |
| 04:10.45 | LexSfX | i'm having trouble finding this context |
| 04:12.28 | MiRai | Last year, for BlizzCon 2018, Blizzard put out a demo of Classic, for which the View Distance slider was not present, and I was using that reference to suggest that it's never been there in the Classic client. |
| 04:14.03 | LexSfX | ahhh, ok. thanks for the explanation |
| 04:14.13 | MiRai | Here's a screenshot of the video settings from the Classic demo client (as you can see in the lower left build/date) - https://i.imgur.com/Kwgqemm.png |
| 04:15.02 | LexSfX | i was mistaken about fiddling with it on release day then. thanks; good to know that they didn't just remove it recently without saying anything and it was my mistake :) |
| 04:15.16 | MiRai | np |
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| 18:18.49 | Alram | https://youtu.be/Kc0oaxj5P80 |
| 18:19.03 | Alram | 8.3 stuff but ion goes into the AH revamp at the end |
| 18:19.05 | Alram | with a preview |
| 18:19.09 | Alram | i'm sure that is interesting to some here |
| 18:20.46 | znf | skip to 1:30 for retail |
| 18:28.25 | Funkeh` | why all this info before blizzcon |
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| 18:31.44 | znf | Funkeh`, maybe because they want to show-off 9.0 |
| 18:31.57 | znf | at blizzcon, I mean |
| 18:32.51 | Funkeh` | 2 years ago they talked about an expansion and a new patch iirc, maybe they are running low on time |
| 18:33.31 | Mr_Rabies | i think they're probably wanting to assure folks that there is stuff on the near horizon |
| 18:33.47 | nevcairiel | i can understand wanting to focus BC on the expansion alone |
| 18:33.55 | Mr_Rabies | because the discussion has become more and more apocalyptic as the weeks with nothing new go on |
| 18:33.57 | nevcairiel | also builds up some hype to start with some stuff now |
| 18:35.30 | nevcairiel | a BC panel will probably still show some 8.3 stuff, but they dont need to "announce" anything, they can keep that for xpac stuff |
| 18:35.48 | nevcairiel | in other news, my 15y collectors edition shipped \o/ |
| 18:39.57 | znf | can't wait for the drama about the AH changes |
| 18:46.58 | Mr_Rabies | i'm so glad the AH is getting revamped at all, hopefully in a positive way |
| 18:47.15 | Mr_Rabies | next will hopefully be the professions themselves |
| 18:49.09 | Mr_Rabies | oh man this is looking pretty good, the partial stacks returning is kind of annoying but maybe they'll be able to tweak things somehow |
| 18:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | be nice if you could put stacks up for like up to a week or something in exchange |
| 19:06.49 | Simca | they talked about doing an AH revamp in like... 7.0 i think, right? |
| 19:07.00 | Simca | it was a long time ago that they first mentioned it |
| 19:21.41 | nevcairiel | sure |
| 19:21.47 | nevcairiel | good that they are starting now |
| 19:49.01 | znf | Only 2 expansions later. Still good. |
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| 19:51.45 | znf | oh, ptr on the launcher |
| 19:58.21 | znf | Now we wait https://i.imgur.com/9srviUC.png |
| 20:21.17 | znf | Mechagon Junkyard (Mythic Keystone) - Mythic+ |
| 20:21.24 | znf | There are only strings for Mechagon Junkyard |
| 20:21.29 | znf | so, only half the dungeon? :o |
| 20:21.38 | nevcairiel | maybe the second half isnt in yet |
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| 20:23.58 | ls- | the 2nd one will be Mechagon Workshop |
| 20:24.07 | ls- | Operation: Mechagon - Workshop - |
| 20:24.11 | ls- | in lfg entries |
| 20:25.00 | znf | mmo-c hasn't mined it |
| 20:25.12 | znf | nvm, saw it |
| 20:25.26 | nevcairiel | i prefer wowhead for mining these days, mmo-c seems to be lacking |
| 20:25.43 | znf | yup |
| 20:25.44 | znf | went to shit :( |
| 20:26.32 | znf | oh, those 2 titles :-/ |
| 20:28.44 | znf | 8.3 will be known as "Furries and Tentacles" patch |
| 20:29.28 | ls- | hm, I think I've seen some leaked videos and artwork then :V |
| 20:34.05 | Ennea | :D |
| 20:34.08 | Ennea | those may have been unrelated |
| 20:36.04 | ls- | you never know... |
| 20:41.13 | nebula | not even sure why the mmo-c db still exists, bibi should have just put it to bed |
| 20:41.47 | nebula | unless you ment just straight content updates |
| 20:43.11 | nebula | 8.3 is looking to be pretty neat |
| 20:44.02 | nevcairiel | i hope this vision stuff plays out nicely for solo challenges |
| 20:44.14 | nevcairiel | he dared compare it to the mage tower, so maybe |
| 20:45.22 | nebula | so 8.3 is probably be out in january? wonder how blizzcon will tease the expansion without spoiling the story |
| 20:45.34 | nebula | /is/will/ |
| 20:46.19 | nevcairiel | I sort of hope maybe patch in december, raid in january, but that seems to be close on timing |
| 20:47.33 | znf | oh, look, Shadow nerf |
| 20:50.55 | znf | PTR is up btw |
| 20:59.42 | MooreaTv | tsquare- how to best give the feedback that I think the AH incentive are a bit backward, it should be oldest auctions selling first at a given price, not newest. with newest you end up having busy cancel/relist instead of some minimal undercut if you want to sell first (which would make the price converge faster too; undercut should be a minimum of 1%) |
| 21:02.12 | znf | finally good lucking cloth! https://i.imgur.com/LAZavf7.png |
| 21:04.16 | nebula | the point is it's functionally equivalent to undercutting without dropping the price |
| 21:05.38 | MooreaTv | yes which isn't good to get a market price (and continues to encourage busy work cancel/relist activity) |
| 21:06.07 | nebula | if people are going to ocd about ah listing, there is no system that will prevent "busy work" |
| 21:06.41 | nebula | people will always cancel and relist to try and sell first if they care about that shit |
| 21:07.00 | nebula | most people just want to throw their items up and wait for it to be sent back to relist |
| 21:07.01 | MooreaTv | yes the system is if you want to go in front of the line, you have to drop your price by 1% |
| 21:07.18 | nevcairiel | preventing needless undercutting seems more like a worthwhile goal then trying to prevent people from busying themself |
| 21:07.23 | MooreaTv | at some point you'll stop because you don't want to lose money |
| 21:07.33 | nevcairiel | besides, thats not a UI developer question anyway, give feedback in the PTR forums if you wish |
| 21:08.09 | MooreaTv | it's a game design/dev question; I don't think all should be limited to "ui" |
| 21:08.21 | nebula | i think that seemed awkward to me was he said that if someone buys a partial amount of a stack you put it, it sends to you the remaining amount and you have to relist? |
| 21:08.24 | nevcairiel | the point is that T² wont be able to help you |
| 21:08.27 | nebula | he's a ui dev |
| 21:08.40 | nevcairiel | he implements it the way the game designers want it :p |
| 21:09.07 | MooreaTv | that's why I asked "how to best...", I noted you think the ptr forums is it |
| 21:09.41 | nebula | don't bother the devs with stupid shit |
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| 21:09.57 | nevcairiel | forums are the official feedback channel, yes. |
| 21:13.23 | nevcairiel | 12 bosses in the raid eh, finally a proper long raid |
| 21:13.47 | znf | https://puu.sh/EpVQd/1d1e0d827c.jpg |
| 21:13.53 | znf | that's a hard no on those rings |
| 21:13.59 | nebula | gotta keep people busy for a year :p |
| 21:14.19 | nebula | lol znf |
| 21:15.10 | nevcairiel | i love those rings |
| 21:15.46 | nevcairiel | its also the only o nes in there, and 2% is a lot |
| 21:17.23 | znf | everyone's vulpera on the PTR lol |
| 21:17.38 | nebula | duh |
| 21:18.36 | nevcairiel | i would never play them |
| 21:18.45 | nevcairiel | even if i were horde |
| 21:18.52 | nebula | they're so cute and fluffy |
| 21:18.57 | nevcairiel | exactly |
| 21:20.23 | nevcairiel | i might make a mechagnome |
| 21:20.47 | nebula | Mastercraft: You function as a personal Blacksmithing Anvil, Cooking Fire, and Mining Forge. In addition, your limbs include every profession tool. |
| 21:20.50 | nebula | what a racial |
| 21:20.59 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:21.00 | ls- | any robe is shite, imho |
| 21:21.18 | ls- | they should really start providing tunics as an option |
| 21:21.29 | nevcairiel | my warrior is engineer already, might convert to mechagnome |
| 21:21.35 | znf | If we could FILTER BY ILVL in the new AH UI, that would be damn great |
| 21:22.34 | nebula | i assume the non-commodities stuff remain the same? |
| 21:22.44 | znf | nope |
| 21:23.12 | znf | or, well, I gues there's no stacks |
| 21:23.22 | znf | but everything is using the new UI |
| 21:23.30 | znf | and they have an indicator for sockets |
| 21:23.41 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/Nqzevv1.png |
| 21:24.11 | znf | TSquare, Crosshash - could we get a filter for iLvl, you're already displaying it in the UI |
| 21:24.46 | TSquare | I think it's already sorted by iLvl |
| 21:24.49 | znf | meh, AH crashed |
| 21:24.54 | znf | yeah, but can we actually filter? |
| 21:25.03 | znf | crowded AHs will be.. well, crowded :) |
| 21:25.06 | nevcairiel | sounds like an addons job :p |
| 21:25.09 | TSquare | what is your use-case? |
| 21:25.38 | nebula | was gonna say, if you can get the info from the api, doing a custom filter would probably be pretty easy |
| 21:25.43 | znf | not searching trough 3 pages of BoEs on patch days |
| 21:25.49 | znf | but yeah, I guess an addon will do, if we can filter it |
| 21:26.00 | TSquare | how are you searching? |
| 21:26.10 | TSquare | we are looking at getting feedback on various use-cases |
| 21:26.26 | nevcairiel | wouldnt you want to see the highest ilvls anyway, and not some arbitrary middle-section? |
| 21:26.43 | znf | Let |
| 21:26.47 | znf | erm |
| 21:27.35 | znf | I'm not sure yet how, the AH keeps going down on the PTR :P |
| 21:27.49 | znf | So I can't see how it's actually working in a "proper" list |
| 21:28.07 | Crosshash | znf, the ilevel filter should be there |
| 21:29.00 | nevcairiel | is it just me or does 8.3 seem quite far into development already? 3 months on the PTR seems like a long time, so maybe it is going to be earlier |
| 21:29.01 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/ozMQbZy.png |
| 21:29.09 | znf | there's a level range |
| 21:29.38 | znf | oh, I LOVE the Buyout Mode |
| 21:30.05 | znf | But I think it's a bit quirky to have a checkbox to display the bid inputs |
| 21:30.24 | Meorawr | Is it just me or is it odd that Artifact is listed as a filterable quality? |
| 21:30.34 | Crosshash | Oh, I was thinking sorting. Does it matter? Who's going to search for an ilevel that's not the max? |
| 21:31.11 | znf | well, a socketed 430 item can be better than a 445 right now... :) |
| 21:31.25 | nevcairiel | but you cant search for socket anyway, so your point is ... pointless |
| 21:31.37 | znf | or, maybe a 430 from the raid procs warforged to 440 |
| 21:31.42 | znf | nevcairiel, no, but it's shown in the UI |
| 21:31.53 | nevcairiel | but that doesnt help you if you cant search for it |
| 21:32.08 | nevcairiel | why search for 430 and then manually check for sockets, maybe there is a 435 with socket which you wouldnt see |
| 21:32.35 | MooreaTv | attempt to call global 'CanSendAuctionQuery' (a nil value) |
| 21:32.58 | nevcairiel | obviously the re-design has all AH APIs change |
| 21:33.56 | znf | too crowded to play with the AH right now |
| 21:34.00 | znf | keeps timing out :( |
| 21:34.10 | znf | as expected |
| 21:34.55 | nevcairiel | sounds like your boe gear search would be ideal f or an addon to filter, look up all items, and let you check for sockets through advanced filters |
| 21:35.45 | znf | I obviously don't know how this will scale on live |
| 21:36.36 | znf | hmm, nerfs to dot classes |
| 21:37.17 | nebula | man, the third minor moves to neck level 80? D; |
| 21:37.35 | znf | you mean 4th? |
| 21:37.38 | znf | or, well, 4th slot |
| 21:37.54 | nebula | https://i.imgur.com/4FvTKe6.jpg |
| 21:37.56 | nevcairiel | third minor is accurate |
| 21:38.11 | nevcairiel | and 80 is only 10 more |
| 21:38.12 | nevcairiel | not so bad |
| 21:38.18 | znf | but what do you mean "moves"? :) |
| 21:38.33 | znf | 70->71 only requires 17.5k azerite now on PTR |
| 21:38.37 | nebula | oh, i'm dumb |
| 21:38.49 | nevcairiel | third minor is "new" :p |
| 21:38.57 | nebula | yea, lol, derp |
| 21:39.25 | nevcairiel | if i understand them right, then its also "special" and only in there you can put some of the new essences |
| 21:39.43 | nevcairiel | but no clue if that was just worded weirdly |
| 21:40.02 | znf | don't see any indicator of that being the case |
| 21:40.24 | nebula | https://i.imgur.com/yvWEK8j.jpg |
| 21:40.33 | nebula | it's that diamond slot thats special |
| 21:40.41 | nebula | doesn't show on the ptr |
| 21:40.47 | znf | that's the cloak thing probably |
| 21:40.50 | nevcairiel | oh right there was a 5th one |
| 21:41.02 | znf | as it matches the cloak talent-tree thing we saw int he preview |
| 21:41.06 | znf | same icon |
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| 21:42.50 | znf | meh, my shard crashed again |
| 21:43.41 | Tentacled | Cheers. Any idea whether the output of debuglocals() can be customized somehow..? All my errors in object methods start with the local "self" being unwound, and for larger objects that obviously makes the rest of the error go to shit... |
| 21:44.32 | Tentacled | Is there like a metamethod that would override how a table is expanded by debuglocals, or something... |
| 21:44.51 | nevcairiel | you can only change the level, like with stack traces, nothing else that i'm aware of |
| 21:46.21 | nevcairiel | "Additional infinite progression slot to aid you against NâZothâs corruption at max level (coming in a later PTR update)" |
| 21:46.25 | nevcairiel | that must be the diamond slot |
| 21:46.53 | nevcairiel | progression slot for the visions challenge thing |
| 22:01.28 | znf | meh, the visions has a hard cap, basically |
| 22:01.46 | znf | you need Coalescing Visions to start it, it seems? |
| 22:02.45 | nevcairiel | makes sense, probably get them from the outdoor assault thingys |
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| 22:10.36 | znf | ok, I don't get it |
| 22:10.40 | znf | so I killed the vision of thrall |
| 22:10.44 | znf | and now I... have to get out? |
| 22:12.47 | znf | You kill one boss and that's it...? |
| 22:14.29 | foxlit | just imagine a tiny little progress bar that says "More bosses: [=====...........................] 25%. |
| 22:16.05 | znf | it literally only says thrall |
| 22:16.07 | znf | so, uhm |
| 22:17.38 | Stanzilla | TSquare Crosshash editbox is still bugged on 8.3 PTR :///// |
| 22:20.40 | Crosshash | Yeah, it's still on the list |
| 22:30.41 | Timosh | TSquare Crosshash no colored nameplates? |
| 22:34.32 | Crosshash | What? |
| 22:35.34 | Funkeh` | When was colored nameplates on the to-do? The goal is to bring back customization |
| 22:47.55 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> As far as I understood if the points restriction thing was fine we was getting the full customization back |
| 22:49.03 | znf | No matter. Xal'atath is yours, mortals. Strike true. Should your first blow fail, you will not survive to attempt another. |
| 22:49.05 | znf | Knaifu. |
| 22:50.57 | Tentacled | Hmmmm. Looking at the new C_AuctionHouse, I'm worried there doesn't seem to be anything like QueryAuctionItems' "getAll" for fast whole-AH scans... |
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| 22:55.30 | Nimhfree_ | In translating XML to Lua I would like to know how to handle scrollBar in the following: <Slider name="$parentScrollBar" inherits="HybridScrollBarTemplate" parentKey="scrollBar"> |
| 22:57.16 | Nimhfree_ | do I just do something like someParentFrame.scrollBar = theSliderIAmCreating ? |
| 22:57.45 | Tentacled | The effect of parentKey is just that, yes. |
| 22:58.10 | Tentacled | parentArray is more fun. |
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| 23:08.28 | Ketho | UI changes blue post when |
| 23:09.37 | Tentacled | salmon triangle left squeegee. |
| 23:45.41 | Tentacled | A-ha. Simple as that. C_AuctionHouse.GetBrowseResults() accidentally the whole thing. That... may be nice. |
| 23:49.11 | znf | Ok, so, uhm, the whole point of that Wrathion scenario is... to buy crappy 455 gear? |
