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| 00:18.12 | *** topic/#wowuidev is BC Dinner Sign Up: https://bit.ly/2mV8xKi || WoW Classic Addon Cat: https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat160.html || 8.2.0 ToC: 80205 || 1.13 ToC: 11302 || http://pastebin.com || Discord: https://discord.gg/sVQCHr5 || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl |
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| 01:28.39 | znf | it is the 8.2.5 toc |
| 01:28.43 | znf | but someone was lazy :D |
| 01:48.17 | nebula | it use to say 8.2.x |
| 02:42.19 | *** topic/#wowuidev by Cairenn -> BC Dinner Sign Up: https://bit.ly/2mV8xKi || WoW Classic Addon Cat: https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat160.html || 8.2.5 ToC: 80205 || 1.13 ToC: 11302 || http://pastebin.com || Discord: https://discord.gg/sVQCHr5 || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl |
| 02:42.24 | Cairenn | Happy now? |
| 02:42.42 | Cairenn | BC Dinner Sign Up: https://bit.ly/2mV8xKi |
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| 09:38.01 | znf | oh, we had a minor patch last night? |
| 09:53.03 | Alram | some UI updates, mostly BlizzCon reward updates in prep for release this week |
| 09:57.09 | nevcairiel | does that mean we finally get virtual ticket |
| 10:27.45 | Industrial | Hi. Is it possible ot get rid of this line of buttons and flashing carbonite button? https://i.imgur.com/AEEo9rO.jpg |
| 10:28.08 | Industrial | I have no need for it, since I'm running with auctioneer's popout menu for those buttons |
| 10:28.57 | Industrial | I would even argue there's no need for any of the buttons since there's the interface options panel |
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| 16:58.15 | Simca | hmm, something is eating all the symlinks in my addon directory |
| 16:58.25 | Simca | is that WoW itself or the twitch client? |
| 16:58.59 | nevcairiel | Battle.net does that |
| 16:59.14 | Simca | sigh |
| 16:59.59 | Simca | I guess I could move my repos straight to my addon directory, but that seems stupid because I don't want to dig that far to reach them if i need to change something about the directories |
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| 17:10.24 | znf | oh there we go |
| 17:10.33 | znf | 39.99 for the virtual ticket |
| 17:10.49 | znf | Finduin (for Alliance heroes) and Gillvanas (for the Horde!) |
| 17:11.03 | znf | someone woke up and told the people upstairs that we need murlocs |
| 17:12.02 | znf | Maybe this year we can have streams that don't suck like last year and are not completely out of sync |
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| 17:25.18 | Simca | is there any way to use fstack to inspect a tooltip? |
| 17:25.58 | Simca | cause to mouse over the tooltip i have to move the cursor which changes the tooltip |
| 17:26.19 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 17:27.06 | Seerah | what do you need to know? |
| 17:27.26 | Simca | name of the frame is what i wanted |
| 17:27.34 | Seerah | GameTooltip |
| 17:27.38 | Simca | nah |
| 17:27.45 | Simca | this is a tooltip drawn under gametooltip |
| 17:27.52 | Simca | well, actually battlepettooltip |
| 17:28.27 | Seerah | ? |
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| 17:33.15 | Simca | oh right, that would explain why this change isn't working |
| 17:33.24 | Simca | my symlinks are all gone, i already forgot |
| 17:33.48 | Simca | this is a really enjoyable change |
| 17:36.54 | znf | I don't get why they would purposely fuck symlinks |
| 17:37.42 | nevcairiel | what makes you think its on purpose |
| 17:38.25 | nevcairiel | it seems to be a cleanup routine that clears out empty directories - which symlinked directories appear as when you dont look that closely |
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| 17:57.40 | Simca | man |
| 17:58.05 | Simca | why does TSM's tooltip constantly reparent and reanchor itself in an onupdate loop |
| 17:58.18 | Simca | that makes playing nice with it very hard |
| 18:00.22 | Simca | ah actually it's only constantly reanchoring, i can change the parent and it will adapt |
| 18:34.17 | znf | I need another damage meter with a more modern approach |
| 18:34.31 | znf | But I don't really want tercio's Operating System |
| 18:36.09 | znf | from description |
| 18:36.10 | znf | Finally, I decided to MAKE MY OWN Damage Meter. |
| 18:36.13 | znf | 1. NO SORTING! Sorting is slow. Sorting promotes selfish instead of the corporation (since people will focus on their damage/healing instead of ). Sorting the only distract people from the job they should do. |
| 18:37.02 | znf | why are chinese addon authors so angry https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/meter ? |
| 18:37.22 | Vardex | It's cqwrteur |
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| 18:37.32 | Vardex | He is like super retarded |
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| 18:42.44 | Cairenn | Vardex: please don't use that term again. I won't abide bigoted language in this channel. |
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| 18:49.49 | Vardex | I'm sorry, will avoid to use those kind of term in the future. |
| 18:50.06 | humfras | tbf, behaving in a disrespectful, defamatory manner to other people is kind of what he does apparently. |
| 18:52.25 | AcidWeb | I would argue that is proper term to describe cqwrteur. |
| 18:53.17 | Cairenn | that isn't the proper term to describe anyone |
| 18:53.25 | Cairenn | Vardex: thank you |
| 18:54.37 | AcidWeb | Is mentaly ill communist is acceptable? |
| 18:54.52 | Cairenn | if you must |
| 18:55.00 | foxlit | please submit a list of all the words unacceptable to you in writing. |
| 18:55.33 | humfras | I see, you guys like playing with fire! |
| 18:55.39 | Cairenn | foxlit: really? you really want to go there? after all these years in this channel, knowing full well who I am and what I stand for? |
| 18:58.23 | humfras | Everybody relax ;) |
| 19:01.17 | AcidWeb | I'm not trying to be rude. cqwrteur is extremely disturbed man and everybody who had a chance to talk him will confirm that. |
| 19:01.37 | AcidWeb | His addon descriptions are only tip of iceberg. |
| 19:02.11 | foxlit | Cairenn: not particularly, but please realize that being in this channel doesn't really correlate with knowing who you are or what you stand for -- you normally don't talk. |
| 19:02.17 | Cairenn | As I said, if you must. The terms you chose aren't bigoted |
| 19:03.05 | Cairenn | foxlit: I (used to) talk a lot, and anyone who knows me knows damn well and good that I won't abide by those sorts of terms. |
| 19:03.48 | Cairenn | And after all of the years you've been in here, you are one of those people who knows it. |
| 19:04.26 | Cairenn | It's the exact same as on the website |
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| 19:09.40 | stevie | yo, does anyone know any addons to make the default raid frames fit into small squares like grid? |
| 19:09.47 | stevie | for classic |
| 19:10.28 | znf | isn't grid working? |
| 19:10.58 | humfras | Grid2 and VuhDo should work with Classic |
| 19:11.38 | humfras | It should be easier to create the layout you want via those instead of modifying the default raid frames. |
| 19:12.40 | humfras | Because touching the build-in frames can cause taint quite easily if you don't know 100% what you're doing. |
| 19:15.32 | Ennea | the intro to that damage meter from the weirdo is golden :D |
| 19:16.20 | foxlit | Generally, I wish addon descriptions would get moderated. |
| 19:17.21 | foxlit | Both to remove those sort of flaming rants and the needless text formatting people tend to put in them. |
| 19:18.29 | Vardex | You should have seen him arguing that because his addon take less memory it's less laggy because it fit in the L2 cache |
| 19:20.16 | Ennea | :D |
| 19:20.23 | Ennea | "4. Can't guarantee Exception Neutral/Exception Safety due to LUA is a profane language." |
| 19:20.25 | Ennea | this is cool also |
| 19:22.37 | Sharparam | cqwrteur is kami? |
| 19:22.38 | stevie | humfras: only thing i don't like about grid is the weird indicator thing. It would be nice if it would just show buffs and debuffs like the default |
| 19:23.03 | Vardex | The description of this one is also gold https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/qui |
| 19:23.50 | Sharparam | "I doubt even authors of ElvUI themselves could not fix these issues" |
| 19:23.56 | Sharparam | so they're saying they can fix them, that's great news! |
| 19:24.01 | Ennea | :D |
| 19:24.04 | Ennea | comedy gold |
| 19:25.26 | foxlit | I wouldn't pick too hard on the phrasing used by clearly non-native speakers of English. |
| 19:26.23 | Ennea | the implications made just all seem quite rude. the phrasing turn them from rude into funny |
| 19:26.27 | Ennea | i think that's okay ;p |
| 19:26.29 | Sharparam | i would say that when you're so aggressive and making bold claims, you better check thrice to make sure you fix any typos |
| 19:28.34 | AcidWeb | He pushing most of his code to coroutines so addons use "less" memory. |
| 19:28.53 | AcidWeb | And think that all addons should fit L2 CPU cache. |
| 19:30.58 | znf | vat iz coroutine? |
| 19:31.33 | foxlit | Perceiving tone in other languages/cultures is difficult -- the level of aggression and boldness you perceive might not actually be intended, and the "bad phrasing -> mocking -> escalation" cycle is unfortunate. |
| 19:32.16 | Cairenn | ^^ |
| 19:33.32 | foxlit | I mean, some of the stuff might be less technically sound, but there's probably a way to interpret it as something reasonable -- "addons should aim to minimize their memory usage" is not really controversial. |
| 19:34.05 | Ennea | i agree, it's not |
| 19:35.16 | Ennea | saying you're not touching anything that uses more than a megabyte of memory after initialization might be, though |
| 19:35.25 | Ennea | i mean.. his choice, i guess |
| 19:36.50 | znf | While I agree with foxlit generally, I think the perceived tone & aggression in THIS case are on-point |
| 19:37.42 | foxlit | (note the difference between "at loading" and "after initialization" -- I think that excludes user data) |
| 19:41.43 | foxlit | znf: yeah, I don't care for "The author of Details is a fucking liar." either. |
| 19:42.04 | Ennea | saved vars are always loaded into memory when an addon loads, right? |
| 19:42.16 | Ennea | so anything keeping databases of more or less complex data will easily hit a megabyte in memory |
| 19:42.20 | foxlit | I'm sure there's a history of unfortunate chat exchanges behind everything going on there, but I really don't think it's worth my time to find out. |
| 19:42.23 | Ennea | can't really avoid it |
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| 19:42.39 | znf | I mean, he's horrible at UI/UX, but probably not a liar :P |
| 19:44.26 | AcidWeb | No. There was no "unfortunate chat exchanges". There are good reasons why he is banned almost everywhere. |
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| 19:45.57 | znf | He's probably referring to Details' description where it states it's low on resource usage or something |
| 19:46.20 | znf | it's hard to understand crazy people |
| 19:46.34 | AcidWeb | Language skills aside he is just a terrible person. |
| 19:46.57 | Ketho | that guy cqwrteur was only bragging to me and a lying fuck he is just craving for attention |
| 19:47.36 | foxlit | might have joined a discord server, said something to the effect of "I don't like your memory usage" and got told something to the effect of "memory usage doesn't matter", resulting in both the graphs and the liar retaliation. |
| 19:48.15 | znf | foxlit somehow tries to find the good in a person |
| 19:48.16 | znf | :D |
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| 20:39.56 | stevie | cd .. |
| 20:40.07 | stevie | lmao, uh.. mt |
| 20:40.23 | cirdan | Password: |
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| 21:37.49 | MooreaTv | ^ lol |
| 23:25.20 | foxlit | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.33 | foxlit | of course, it might also explode. Please shout if it does. |
| 23:34.22 | Funkeh` | But is it GDPR compliant |
| 23:34.30 | foxlit | I'm not a bussiness entity. |
| 23:36.14 | Funkeh` | How do we know for sure |
| 23:36.18 | foxlit | (but also don't send me your personal data.) |
| 23:36.54 | foxlit | -> https://m.xkcd.com/1998/ |
