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| 05:47.16 | Industrial | So this pally attacks me 3 times in a cave. I res outside and catch him running back to refuge pointe |
| 05:47.35 | Industrial | he sees me turns around tries _everything_ he has, all cd's all mana I keep /laugh 'ing |
| 05:47.45 | Industrial | hunter <3 |
| 05:47.48 | Industrial | felt so good xD |
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| 06:50.05 | jlelz | has anyone run across a hooksecurefunc call that can handle chat window display/loading? |
| 07:00.44 | mikma | back then i decided to do a "OK" button that'll do the work |
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| 08:07.07 | Ennea | can i add stuff to UIPARENT_MANAGED_FRAME_POSITIONS without risking taint? i'm guessing no.. |
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| 08:57.32 | LexSfX | stevie: incoming heals status is working just fine for me in grid2 for classic |
| 08:57.39 | LexSfX | what has been the issue for you? |
| 08:58.01 | LexSfX | just assign it to the heal indicator and you should be good to go |
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| 10:14.43 | Industrial | Egh :( I hate updating my addon description... wtb README.md => correct formatting |
| 10:14.55 | Industrial | (github flavored markdown support) |
| 10:15.10 | Industrial | (and a checkbutton for "just use the README.md for the Description") |
| 10:15.22 | Industrial | Kaelten: bad idea? :D |
| 10:15.30 | Industrial | (also, hi:D) |
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| 11:59.55 | ThiefMaster | lol wtf, blizzard nowadays gives you a 24h silence for writing "[...], WM ON you pussies" in a lfg listing?! |
| 12:08.41 | Vardex | that toxic |
| 12:12.57 | ThiefMaster | yeah, i guess trying to be funny is considered toxic nowadays :D |
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| 12:45.42 | Gnarfoz | more like people reported you and the automated system did its thing |
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| 12:49.42 | ThiefMaster | probably |
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| 14:38.57 | znf | ThiefMaster, everything is considered toxic these days |
| 14:39.03 | znf | constructive criticism? "why so toxic" |
| 14:50.30 | Chipzz | ThiefMaster: I had WM on last I played but I don't think any less of ppl who don't. I wouldn't have reported you but I would probably have reacted "heh" and ignored your group. But the thing is, I really see no reason to add the "you pussies", "WM ON" would have sufficed. With "you pussies" you insult ppl you haven't even talked to. If it was meant as a joke, a) IMO it was in poor taste and b) you could h |
| 14:50.36 | Chipzz | ave added a smiley like :) or ;) to make it clear you were joking. Just my 2c though |
| 14:56.42 | Ennea | the hell is WM |
| 14:56.52 | Alram | wart mode |
| 14:58.39 | Chipzz | Ennea: War Mode, "PvP server toggle" |
| 14:59.41 | Chipzz | Ennea: ppl with and without warmode are in different phases; you can't see each other outside of the dungeon (you can once inside) which is the problem ThiefMaster was trying to avoid (not being able to summon) |
| 14:59.54 | Ennea | ah |
| 14:59.57 | Ennea | thanks |
| 15:00.24 | Ennea | so retail has no pvp servers anymore, then? you just toggle war mode on, or don't? |
| 15:00.27 | Chipzz | it's a new thing in BfA although you can use it at low level too |
| 15:01.29 | Chipzz | not 100% sure but I think so yes |
| 15:01.45 | ThiefMaster | it's pretty nice except that you can only turn it on while in your faction's capital city.. |
| 15:01.50 | Chipzz | having WM on gives bonus % on rewards from quests, WQs etc |
| 15:02.07 | Ennea | should've just defaulted everything to war mode on ;D |
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| 15:02.30 | Chipzz | nah, should have killed PvP in 2.0, it's detrimental to the game :P |
| 15:02.54 | Ennea | thank god i'm playing classic |
| 15:03.44 | Chipzz | the irony of it is |
| 15:04.09 | Chipzz | from my epxerience, WM seems to have diluted PvP more than it helped |
| 15:04.18 | Ennea | yea, that's no surprise |
| 15:05.17 | Chipzz | when I was still playing retail, I had WM on most of the time for the bonusses, and yes, I got killed some times, but only very occasionally, and I was just like "meh" and moved on |
| 15:05.55 | Chipzz | there are ppl who can make life miserable by camping etc, but when that happens you can still HS to capital city and turn it off for a bit |
| 15:08.18 | Ennea | how many cities that are considered capitals are there nowadays? |
| 15:08.29 | Chipzz | 1 for each faction |
| 15:08.30 | ThiefMaster | only sw/org for turning it on |
| 15:08.34 | ThiefMaster | any rested area for turning it off |
| 15:08.42 | Ennea | ah |
| 15:09.12 | Chipzz | didn't know you could turn it off in rested areas |
| 15:09.13 | Ennea | wait.. sw? not if? D: |
| 15:09.34 | Chipzz | how has IF ever been the capital of the alliance? like, ever? |
| 15:09.40 | Ennea | vanilla? |
| 15:09.43 | Chipzz | it's always been SW, even in vamilla |
| 15:09.55 | Ennea | back when only if had auctioneers? :D |
| 15:09.58 | Chipzz | it wasn't back in vanilla either? |
| 15:11.10 | Ennea | i mean, i usually only play horde. but i'm pretty sure back in the day, if was the go to city for alliance. not sw |
| 15:11.14 | nebula | if was the de facto main capital |
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| 15:17.47 | nevcairiel | Yeah everyone was in IF, it was closer to the endgame targets and had the auction house |
| 15:29.08 | Chipzz | are reputation discounts different in Classic than in live? In live it's 5%/ 10%/ 15%/ 20%, and I hear on classic it's just 10% fmor honored? is that correct? when did that change? |
| 15:37.29 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> TSquare, what is the nameplateMaxDistance now in 8.2.5 because 100 doesn't work any longer? |
| 15:38.28 | nebula | someone said it's hard coded to 60 now |
| 15:40.35 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> yea doesn't look like the cvar responds at all. |
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| 19:02.09 | Ennea | is there a way to move playerframe and targetframe programatically without causing taint? |
| 19:02.26 | Ennea | seems like me moving those caused taint which in turn blocked some action in combat. although i honestly have no idea which one that was |
| 19:02.42 | Industrial | Can I see download stats on wowinterface? |
| 19:03.37 | MooreaTv | if you move them before combat it should be fine? or just use the auto save position values (set them)? |
| 19:03.41 | Industrial | I only have 175 downloads (on curseforge), and 0 comments on both sites. I'd love to get some feedback or discussion going :) |
| 19:04.37 | MooreaTv | you can see downloads on wowi if you click author -> my addons list |
| 19:09.43 | Mr_Rabies | Industrial: have you looked into lots of strobing lights with no note in the changelog |
| 19:09.50 | Mr_Rabies | that would get you lots of comments guaranteed |
| 19:12.36 | MooreaTv | what does your addon do, is it a niche? I have an addon I did and I like/am happy with that has 100x less downloads than another one I like a lot less so popularity doesn't mean necessarily "good" |
| 19:14.49 | MooreaTv | also make sure your addon comes up in search for what it tries to solve |
| 19:14.58 | znf | If you have downloads and no comments, that means people appreciate it and it's perfect ^^ |
| 19:16.17 | MooreaTv | speaking of comments, somehow on cf, I don't get notifications of either (some) issues nor comments and I have to click projects one by one to see ... and sometime I miss stuff which is rather annoying when someone mentioned a bug and days have passed |
| 19:21.08 | Ennea | MooreaTv, doing it on addon load, but it still seemed to cause it |
| 19:21.21 | Ennea | ah, or maybe i should do checks whenever i call setpoint whether i'm in combat |
| 19:21.34 | Ennea | since i'm doing it in a hook of that function that changes the points of managed frames |
| 19:21.41 | MooreaTv | you can /reload in combat |
| 19:21.55 | Ennea | well, i didn't ;D |
| 19:21.56 | MooreaTv | but should be rather rare |
| 19:23.04 | MooreaTv | why not just set the position (though I don't know/haven't looked how the user saveable frame thing works, I do my own frame positioning but they are my own frames not protected ones) |
| 19:23.24 | MooreaTv | I mean set and let blizz put it there |
| 19:24.24 | MooreaTv | industrial- ^ |
| 19:27.24 | Ennea | wrong highlight i'm guessing |
| 19:27.27 | nebula | setpoint doesn't cause taint |
| 19:27.31 | Ennea | set it and let blizz put it there? how? |
| 19:27.45 | Ennea | nebula, according to taint.log it does, or it's giving me garbage data |
| 19:28.00 | nebula | i mean, no custom unitframes would work if it did |
| 19:28.21 | Ennea | custom unit frames use their own frames though |
| 19:28.31 | MooreaTv | Not sure where it's saved when you do SetUserPlaced/StarMoving but it must be saved somewhere |
| 19:28.31 | nebula | but they're still protected |
| 19:28.35 | Ennea | are they? hm |
| 19:28.37 | Ennea | surprising |
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| 19:29.04 | nebula | i'd just keep looking for possible problems if you stopped at setpoint |
| 19:29.25 | nebula | the taintlog can be misleading |
| 19:30.01 | Ennea | well, i'm not doing anything else. i added four new lines today. clearallpoints and setpoint for playerframe and targetframe |
| 19:30.10 | MooreaTv | (the highlight was because Industrial asked a question... different thread) |
| 19:31.36 | Ennea | abusing the userplaced flag might work, but i still gotta setpoint to change the position then :D |
| 19:31.54 | Ennea | i'll try analyzing this more |
| 19:31.55 | Industrial | MooreaTv: eh my addon does a lot of small stuff, I guess it overlaps with Leatrix Plus |
| 19:32.05 | Ennea | maybe just checking if i'm in combat before my setpoint call will fix this |
| 19:32.15 | Ennea | so far i don't even know what action was actually blocked... |
| 19:32.21 | Industrial | but I also guess all the "quest complete" addons (including leatrix) took that idea/code from idQuestAutomation, which is now rolled into idTweaks |
| 19:33.14 | Industrial | I'm planning to add UnitFrames (via oUF) and maybe ActionBars (just 5 bars at the bottom + pet on top, nothing more) |
| 19:33.43 | MooreaTv | Industrial- that makes it tricky to search, probably want to put in the Summary something special that it does that others don't |
| 19:34.00 | Industrial | https://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=23978#info |
| 19:34.04 | MooreaTv | on cf afaik only name and summary (and not description!) are used for search results |
| 19:34.05 | Industrial | It's pretty accurate :p |
| 19:34.16 | Industrial | But I guess not such a good story ;/ |
| 19:34.38 | Ennea | that mail tweak is.. i dunno |
| 19:34.40 | Ennea | not something i'd want |
| 19:35.18 | MooreaTv | is every tweak toggle-able on/off? |
| 19:35.20 | Industrial | Everything is an option to turn on/off |
| 19:35.38 | Industrial | Mr_Rabies: strobing lights would .. KO me x( |
| 19:35.52 | Ennea | :D |
| 19:35.59 | Mr_Rabies | i would defnitely note that because there is no shortage of "addon that does a billion tweaks specifically for me but there are no options" out there |
| 19:36.02 | nebula | it's more mass mailing i imagine, 12 is the limit so it sends it lets you keep adding things |
| 19:36.08 | Industrial | right |
| 19:36.08 | nebula | it's for* |
| 19:36.26 | Industrial | I used to always have a "no options" thing but I flipped that stance xD |
| 19:36.58 | MooreaTv | start by adding a screenshot of your config panel then? |
| 19:36.59 | Ennea | i need to add some options to my addons as well, now that they're getting more complex |
| 19:37.02 | Ennea | but it's too early for a release anyway |
| 19:37.07 | Industrial | ok, good ideas, thanks |
| 19:37.14 | Mr_Rabies | i only really use very simple addons if they don't have any options |
| 19:37.36 | MooreaTv | it'll show both that it exists and the feature in a way that may be easier for folks than a wall of text |
| 19:37.38 | Mr_Rabies | if it's as complex as that your market is going to be very very small with no options |
| 19:38.56 | MooreaTv | "i only really use very simple addons if they don't have any options" how does having options (by definition, optional... you don't have to change/set them) renders the addon not worthy to you? |
| 19:39.09 | Ennea | aha, okay. opening the game menu while in combat spits out the blocked action message |
| 19:39.20 | Mr_Rabies | because most of the time it does something i don't want it to do |
| 19:39.36 | Mr_Rabies | oh you're misreading what i said i think |
| 19:39.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'm saying if it's very simple it may not need options |
| 19:39.54 | Mr_Rabies | bt even if it's the least bit complex, i need some options |
| 19:39.59 | MooreaTv | ah ok :) |
| 19:40.03 | Mr_Rabies | because 99% of the time it's going to do something i dislike |
| 19:40.21 | Ennea | that's a good stance to have both as a user and addon dev |
| 19:40.26 | Ennea | things people may dislike need options |
| 19:40.28 | MooreaTv | oh yes I read it backward somehow... english comprehension fail on my part |
| 19:40.33 | Ennea | like my unit frame addon moving around the default unit frames ;p |
| 19:41.07 | Mr_Rabies | but like |
| 19:41.26 | Mr_Rabies | if the addon adds a button for your mail to a data broker |
| 19:41.28 | Ennea | okay, cool. added a check for InCombatLockdown(), now everything's fine |
| 19:41.35 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably okay with no or vew options |
| 19:41.44 | Mr_Rabies | few |
| 19:41.46 | Ennea | soo i can't call setpoint() or clearallpoints() on playerframe or targetframe in combat |
| 19:41.50 | Mr_Rabies | how on earth did i even type vew lmao |
| 19:41.55 | Ennea | brain fart |
| 19:41.58 | Ennea | a classic |
| 19:42.50 | nebula | yes, combat restricts a bunch of apis |
| 19:44.23 | Ennea | yea, i didn't consider the function might be called in combat also |
| 19:44.35 | MooreaTv | about mail, you probably would want to remove the 12 limit and send an auto "...continued" after 12 than auto send at 12 (or if you do auto send at 12, recompose the same mail for the next but that may be an issue when you haven't fully figured out what to send exactly and dragged it and didn't expect it'll just auto send) |
| 20:17.45 | foxlit | nebula: the taintlog can be misleading << boo, hiss, there are no examples of the taintlog being misleading. |
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| 20:36.58 | nebula | sorry, I know you and the taintlog are quite close. misleading isn't the best word, but tracing back to the actual cause can be an adventure. I should have kept the logs from when the secure map button was causing problem and blaming seemingly random addons |
| 20:40.13 | foxlit | they're all guilty :P |
| 20:45.21 | foxlit | (it's just that "it blames random addons" is a meme that kills any effort to debug actual problems) |
| 20:46.29 | Mr_Rabies | it seems like the taintlog just has no clue what to do about libraries |
| 20:46.53 | Mr_Rabies | so whichever addon is first to use the library gets blamed |
| 20:48.03 | foxlit | that's another fun statement with few examples. |
| 20:48.29 | Mr_Rabies | okay i'll say this, i've never had the taintlog blame the actual addon causing the issue anytime i've used it |
| 20:48.45 | foxlit | but how do you know which addon was causing the issue? :) |
| 20:49.06 | Mr_Rabies | because toggling one at a time |
| 20:49.22 | Mr_Rabies | usually i don't bother anymore, i just reload ui and move on |
| 20:49.31 | Mr_Rabies | but my ui is almost always tainted nowadays |
| 20:51.21 | foxlit | I mean, it's true that library code is attributed to whoever ultimately loaded the library, but it seems unusual for libraries to actually interact with framexml stuff in response on caller requests (or maybe I'm just not thinking of the right libraries). |
| 20:52.10 | Mr_Rabies | i've literally never had the taintlog be useful, everytime i've used it i've just given up and found a way to recreate the error and just toggle 1 addon at at time until i find the one causing the issue |
| 20:52.38 | Mr_Rabies | the combined efforts of blizzard making so many things taint the ui nowadays and the uselessness of the taintlog basically mean no one is even bothering anymore |
| 20:54.44 | Mr_Rabies | i bet if you analyzed 1000 taintlogs, at least 300 would blame an addon starting with "A" |
| 20:54.51 | Mr_Rabies | if not far more than that |
| 20:55.24 | Ennea | foxlit, nebula: in my case, it was pointing to the culprit pretty clearly ;D |
| 20:58.19 | nebula | being naughty in combat lockdown is quite straight forward :p |
| 21:00.28 | Ennea | ¯\('-')/¯ |
| 21:01.04 | Ennea | ^ something that won't look right in the discord irc bridge ;D |
| 21:04.11 | Vardex | ¯('-')/¯ |
| 21:04.21 | AcidWeb | I agree that usefulness of taint log is limited. Yes it is not wrong but don't really help to find real culprit. |
| 21:04.55 | Ennea | it can be useful, in any case |
| 21:15.55 | AcidWeb | Yes it can. But I most cases is a begin of the journey right down the rabbit hole. |
| 21:18.07 | Ennea | well, bug fixing is often like that |
| 21:50.31 | znf | How the hell do I not see a "you have been removed" message or something sometimes |
| 21:50.52 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/wFW3eOY.png |
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