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| 06:45.56 | znf | TSquare, is there any reason you guys disabled the functionality of nameplateMaxDistance CVar on Live? |
| 06:46.14 | znf | no matter what I do, it renders to 60 yards |
| 06:46.26 | nevcairiel | even lowering doesnt work? |
| 06:47.12 | znf | nope, set it to 5 yards, I see nameplates at 50+ |
| 06:47.30 | znf | v |
| 06:47.33 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/DHIGiYk.png |
| 06:47.44 | znf | my rangerfinder addon reports 45-50 for that mob |
| 06:47.51 | Ennea | hm, so the same as classic, just a different value |
| 06:48.00 | znf | yeah, but why the hell |
| 06:48.19 | Ennea | good question ;D |
| 06:48.22 | znf | it appears the value is locked to 60 yards on live |
| 06:48.28 | znf | you can't lower it at all |
| 06:48.31 | nevcairiel | sounds to me like they couldnt be bothered to fix input validation so they just hardcoded the value :D |
| 06:48.34 | znf | and most casters want 40 yards |
| 06:49.04 | nevcairiel | personally i would use a range indicator on the plate instead of just having plates show up at that distance |
| 06:50.22 | Mr_Rabies | they also carried over the send message api stuff from classic to live right? |
| 06:50.52 | nevcairiel | well its not e ntirely clear if that wasnt designed for live |
| 06:51.03 | Ennea | what send message api stuff? |
| 06:51.27 | nevcairiel | SendChatMessage HW events |
| 06:51.30 | Mr_Rabies | addons can't send messages in many channels they could before, especially outside of dungeons/raids |
| 06:52.24 | znf | honestly, fuck this piece of shit classic game |
| 06:52.30 | Ennea | ah.. something against classiclfg? i totally missed that |
| 06:52.30 | znf | ruining shit just because |
| 06:52.44 | Ennea | did we get any patch notes/changelogs for that stuff? |
| 06:52.52 | znf | one more reason to hate that bullshit |
| 06:53.07 | Ennea | znf, <3 |
| 06:53.07 | Mr_Rabies | and like i understand that probably does minimize the spam in channels the guy that spams my bfa server does it manually with a macro |
| 06:53.16 | Mr_Rabies | he's talked in trade chat before |
| 06:53.46 | znf | I have no concept of trade chat anymore |
| 06:53.58 | znf | My server is a constant spam of boosters on /2 |
| 06:54.53 | Mr_Rabies | mine has one guy that makes a warlock, spams, gets banned on that char, makes another warlock etc |
| 06:55.20 | znf | people get banned? :o |
| 06:55.51 | Mr_Rabies | it takes like 2 weeks per char but yeah he does eventually get banned it seems |
| 06:56.15 | Mr_Rabies | he seems like an alright guy tbh |
| 06:56.31 | Ennea | hm, i can't even find anything about the changes to SendChatMessage |
| 06:56.35 | Mr_Rabies | my server could use some gold farmers to put some stuff on the AH |
| 06:56.37 | Ennea | where i can i read about that? |
| 06:57.17 | znf | honestly, I liked it more when we had farming bots |
| 06:57.29 | znf | at least it wasn't 20g for a fucking herb |
| 06:58.20 | Ennea | may i suggest classic? herbs are quite cheap ;D |
| 06:58.42 | nevcairiel | because there is no endgame to use them in =p |
| 06:58.56 | Mr_Rabies | i really hope they get to connecting realms again at some point |
| 06:59.02 | Mr_Rabies | all these dead realms are really depressing |
| 06:59.02 | znf | big servers like mine relied on bots to supply herbs |
| 06:59.34 | znf | well, herbs, ores & other farmable stuff |
| 06:59.37 | Mr_Rabies | mine's like medium pop and there are nights with 0 agi potions on the AH |
| 06:59.51 | Mr_Rabies | they still go for like 500g each when they're on there |
| 06:59.52 | znf | Once they cracked down on HonorBuddy, everything went to shit |
| 07:00.15 | znf | 1000++ gold for a flask |
| 07:00.57 | Mr_Rabies | tbh would be totally fine if they just removed flasks entirely or replaced them with something anyone could farm in its place |
| 07:01.12 | Mr_Rabies | alchemy has been the only useful crafting profession for like 4 expansions now |
| 07:01.40 | znf | actually I think that the issue is with potions requiring a crazy amount of herbs |
| 07:02.25 | znf | Unbridled Fury is 6 Zin'anthid |
| 07:02.46 | znf | In previous expansions, I don't recall any potion to require more than 3 herbs, if even more than 1 |
| 07:02.58 | nevcairiel | you get more per single collect as well tho |
| 07:03.05 | nevcairiel | so that calculation falls apart |
| 07:03.13 | znf | At rank 1, the unbridled fury requires 10 herbs |
| 07:03.25 | znf | yeah, but you don't get 6 from all the herbs |
| 07:03.34 | znf | you get around 4-6 from a herb |
| 07:03.41 | znf | sometimes when you're unlucky, 3 |
| 07:04.54 | znf | so if you take the minimum, which is 3, you still need 2 x Herb Picks |
| 07:05.11 | nevcairiel | taking the minimum is not really accurate, if anything take an average |
| 07:05.31 | znf | Well, then it's more than 1 |
| 07:05.32 | znf | :) |
| 07:06.13 | nevcairiel | but unbridled fury costs only one herb, historically many potions cost two types, also requiring at least two collects by definition |
| 07:07.01 | nevcairiel | people just forgot due to the power potion from legion |
| 07:07.11 | znf | wowhead has the potion at 365g average |
| 07:08.30 | nevcairiel | ultimately its a free market, people are willing to pay as much |
| 07:09.25 | znf | I'm certainly not "willing", but I need to... |
| 07:10.11 | znf | at least the price of flasks on my servers has dropped |
| 07:10.19 | znf | from 1k+ to ~400g |
| 07:10.36 | znf | now my real problem is the lack of haste food ingredients |
| 07:11.00 | nevcairiel | which proves that the price is actually e ntirely independent of herb pricing |
| 07:11.09 | nevcairiel | because those contain 20 zin'athid |
| 07:11.13 | nevcairiel | and other junk |
| 07:11.35 | znf | yes and no, the price of herbs drops a lot on weekends |
| 07:11.50 | znf | and on reset day it goes up by something like 100% |
| 07:12.30 | nevcairiel | that has always been the case, the day people buy prices go up, because the amount on sale goes down |
| 07:13.20 | znf | I don't recall the prices fluctuating by 100% tough |
| 07:13.48 | znf | still, my point is that on high-pop servers, bots were keeping the server supplied with raw mats |
| 07:13.59 | znf | once they cracked down, the prices have increased |
| 07:15.28 | znf | and yes, I did like it more, because I didn't have to spend 1 week's passive gold income in a single M+ dungeon |
| 07:20.49 | znf | simply put, the game doesn't give you enough passively generated income (quests, trash) to afford using all the consumables you are expected to doing the content you like |
| 07:21.39 | znf | and this wasn't the case in previous expansions, if you didn't splurge on mounts, BoE gear & other "luxuries", you could always stay afloat with pots & flasks |
| 08:38.06 | Corrodias | i got sick of farming and quit back in TBC, and it sounds like it's worse now |
| 08:39.13 | Corrodias | i wanted to spend my time on raid dungeons, not on collecting mana potions |
| 08:47.58 | nevcairiel | farming was far worse in the early days of wow |
| 08:48.28 | nevcairiel | you can farm enough for your own consumption rather quickly, people are just too lazy even for that |
| 09:05.32 | Kalroth | yeah, farming for pots was easily a 2 hour task between raids |
| 09:06.15 | Kalroth | especially at Loatheb |
| 09:06.50 | nevcairiel | mostly because you also farmed like a dozen things |
| 09:07.02 | nevcairiel | since there were less shared cooldowns |
| 09:07.36 | Kalroth | yeah, i remember that potion change, suddenly we were limited to what? 2 or 3 pots |
| 09:08.47 | Kalroth | health/mana, instant short and 1 hour buffs |
| 09:55.44 | Industrial | What's a good way to hide the CastingBarFrame ? Hook :Show() and call :Hide() ? |
| 09:56.05 | Industrial | or no-op the show function? probably taints .. it's been so long for me this API xD |
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| 09:57.30 | VIad | znf: my experience so far is in dungeon groups some people need on everything they can AH and give shit excuses like "will use for dualwield" but they never will and you know it when they dont equip it to show for it either |
| 09:58.04 | VIad | same warrior needs mail boots with a lot of agility for the level (boe green) for the AH of course he has better blues for warriors. |
| 09:58.16 | Industrial | hm, maybe unregister all events but in that case I wouldn't know what to do to re-enable it again |
| 09:58.28 | VIad | people looting chests when others are trying to roll for them and such with "oh I didnt see sorry" but keeps the items like nothing happened. |
| 09:59.11 | VIad | peoples mindset is I can need on all I can AH for gold and not care about what others think of me - which works fine short term but if they keep doing that long term people start to notice who they are |
| 09:59.11 | Ennea | Industrial, re-registering them ;) |
| 10:03.01 | Industrial | hmm, so for each event Frame:IsEventRegistered(event), save those event names in db for later and re-register them? or just force a UI reload (uglier but way easier ..)? |
| 10:05.37 | Industrial | ah wait got it, way easier approach, sec |
| 10:07.05 | Industrial | https://gist.github.com/Industrial/533ac53ea4a793673bfbc6f514f57698 |
| 10:07.11 | Industrial | Ennea: ^ this i guess |
| 10:18.29 | Ennea | yea, i suppose that also works ;D |
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| 10:47.07 | Ketho | we did ask for api parity x) |
| 10:47.27 | Ketho | I miss my 100 yards nameplate distance tho |
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| 12:23.17 | Chipzz | VIad: it's even worse when ppl do that and there are people who the items are legit upgrades for in party |
| 12:24.13 | Chipzz | VIad: and it's often the tank, because they know they can get away with it |
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| 19:15.45 | znf | Does anyone know if you can "stack" up on multiple Paragon quests? |
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| 19:31.27 | Timosh | Kanegasi: Someone tell znf in irc that you can't stack paragon rewards. You max out at 9,999 rep if a paragon reward is waiting. |
| 19:36.03 | znf | oh, |
| 19:36.07 | znf | thanks |
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| 20:45.29 | Funkeh`` | znf: just tested it, seems to work fine |
| 20:46.09 | znf | Funkeh``, more details? |
| 20:46.16 | znf | as in, what worked fine? |
| 20:46.27 | Funkeh`` | handed in a quest before handing in the paragon |
| 20:46.59 | Funkeh`` | was 2k already afterwards |
| 20:47.12 | znf | I know it works for 1, I'm wondering if it works for 2+ |
| 20:47.47 | znf | ie: have one banked up, then get 10k again, thus having 2 |
| 20:48.15 | znf | I know rep can still be gained after you hit 10k once, but Timosh's relay implies that you get stuck on 9999/10000 on the 2nd one |
| 20:50.14 | znf | but I guess I'll test it for myself |
| 20:53.35 | Mr_Rabies | i think it used to be 3000 or something but they upped it |
| 20:53.44 | znf | because I find it hard to believe that they would stop rep from increasing, considering that their code just does mod(currentValue, threshold) to display it |
| 20:53.49 | Mr_Rabies | there's some kinda patch note/hotfix note out there about it |
| 20:54.59 | Mr_Rabies | i think they don't want people stacking a bunch of paragon reward stuff after a patch or whatever else |
| 20:55.05 | Mr_Rabies | they basically want you to keep using it |
| 20:56.12 | znf | I'll find out in a week, then |
| 20:56.25 | znf | I'm 2.4k over 10k for Rustbolt |
| 20:57.05 | znf | actually I could get further with honorbound if I prostitute myself with donations |
| 20:57.21 | Mr_Rabies | is there a good way to see like |
| 20:57.28 | Mr_Rabies | all of the hotfix notes in an easily read format |
| 20:57.34 | Mr_Rabies | because the blog posts are a mess |
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| 21:00.55 | stevie | yo, anyone know if it's possible to make grid2 see incoming heals from other players? |
| 21:02.08 | znf | that should be possible, at least on retail |
| 21:02.24 | znf | most likely not on classic |
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| 21:11.57 | stevie | znf: oh, so heal communication isn't part of the classic API? healbot was able to do it but is that because addon comm? |
| 21:12.07 | Elmoe | stevie: yes |
| 21:13.11 | stevie | elmoe: ah, thank you. been wondering why I wasn't able to get it working |
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