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| 00:09.13 | Dejablue | How's this look? Does Movement Speed and Repair Total looks like the others? Color and shodows? |
| 00:09.13 | Dejablue | https://i.imgur.com/4BMQFR3.jpg |
| 00:13.14 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> yep |
| 00:13.49 | Dejablue | Thanks so much :) |
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| 04:15.27 | Dejablue | Hey anyone on that can tell me if the stats are all the same color? I am colorblind: https://i.imgur.com/kL5lNzg.jpg |
| 04:16.03 | Dejablue | The names that is are they all yellowish the same shade? |
| 04:16.31 | EsreverWoW | The names look pretty much the same to my eyes. |
| 04:16.48 | Dejablue | Can you tell the ones that are different? |
| 04:16.51 | EsreverWoW | But you could always open an image manipulation software and use the color picker. |
| 04:17.06 | Dejablue | I know you probably know which are different but can you tell? |
| 04:17.23 | Dejablue | yeah i tried taht but it has too many sahdes all over |
| 04:17.39 | EsreverWoW | Movement / Durability / Repair look off |
| 04:17.48 | Dejablue | might try that again maybe cover the screen but I dont think it will do much. |
| 04:18.06 | Dejablue | I couldnt'; find the stat font, highlightfontcolor and yellowfontcolor are not that color ;/ |
| 04:18.19 | EsreverWoW | Did you try ffff00? |
| 04:18.23 | EsreverWoW | That's usually what's used. |
| 04:18.49 | Dejablue | yeah that is jsut yellow, |
| 04:18.57 | Dejablue | The default is a bit dfarker and slightly red |
| 04:22.43 | EsreverWoW | Try HIGHLIGHT_FONT_COLOR_CODE |
| 04:23.23 | Dejablue | I did it is white |
| 04:24.38 | Dejablue | So this gives me 255, 209, 0 with GIMPs color picker https://i.imgur.com/0Zsc5Br.jpg Gonna try that and see what happens |
| 04:25.43 | Dejablue | Yeah it is way too yellow lol |
| 04:26.52 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> try |
| 04:27.01 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> SetTextColor(1, .8, .1) |
| 04:27.28 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Thats the Quest Yellow Color |
| 04:28.35 | Dejablue | kk |
| 04:30.38 | Dejablue | Here is that, 1, 0.8, 0.1 https://i.imgur.com/HshnCF8.jpg |
| 04:31.06 | Dejablue | is that it? |
| 04:31.35 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> EserverWoW, what do you think? |
| 04:31.40 | EsreverWoW | maybe |
| 04:31.43 | EsreverWoW | looks closer to me |
| 04:32.15 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> the red is um |
| 04:32.26 | EsreverWoW | Definitely not anything I can easily pick out like the last one. |
| 04:33.14 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> yea its just a tad darker |
| 04:34.13 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> red it 1, .1, .1 |
| 04:34.36 | Dejablue | Doesn't look too bad with other classes and different backgrounds here is a rogue: https://i.imgur.com/IuOk5mv.jpg |
| 04:34.56 | Dejablue | But again i cant really tell i cant see green well ;/ |
| 04:35.17 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> and green is the same |
| 04:35.19 | Dejablue | Yeah i thought maybe it was a text shadow, remember I was asking earlier about that |
| 04:35.28 | Dejablue | Slightly red or darker, really weird. |
| 04:35.30 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> .1, 1, .1 |
| 04:36.38 | Dejablue | Yeah i would probably not know that was green lol |
| 04:37.19 | Dejablue | Nah read is blood read |
| 04:37.28 | Dejablue | Green is a similar shade;/ |
| 04:37.59 | Dejablue | There is a YELLOW_FONT_COLOR_CODE but it's too yellow IIRC |
| 04:42.25 | Dejablue | Well that 1 0.8 0.1 will avhe to be good enough for classic launch lol |
| 04:42.29 | Dejablue | Thanks for the help guys |
| 04:43.26 | Corrodias | how about SLIGHTLY_LESS_YELLOW_FONT_COLOR_CODE? |
| 04:44.09 | Dejablue | Ohh, lemme see |
| 04:45.52 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> lol |
| 04:46.16 | Dejablue | Trololol |
| 04:46.19 | Dejablue | :) |
| 04:47.44 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> YELLOW_FONT_COLOR = CreateColor(1.0, 1.0, 0.0); LIGHTYELLOW_FONT_COLOR = CreateColor(1.0, 1.0, 0.6); |
| 04:48.35 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> DIM_RED_FONT_COLOR = CreateColor(0.8, 0.1, 0.1); DULL_RED_FONT_COLOR = CreateColor(0.75, 0.15, 0.15); |
| 04:49.04 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> DIM_GREEN_FONT_COLOR = CreateColor(0.251, 0.753, 0.251); |
| 04:49.13 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> there now you have options ð |
| 04:49.43 | Dejablue | Rainbow of stat colors! |
| 04:50.14 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> oh there is alot of different colorsa |
| 04:51.17 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/ptr/Constants.lua#47 |
| 04:55.18 | Dejablue | Hmm might try |
| 04:55.19 | Dejablue | INVASION_DESCRIPTION_FONT_COLOR |
| 05:12.09 | Dejablue | Gah think I should take out itemlevel from displaying on gear? |
| 05:12.12 | Dejablue | For classic? |
| 05:12.32 | Dejablue | I am worried Blizzard will remove it and Ill ahve to fix it anyways, Just ina time crunch atm |
| 05:13.00 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> might as well |
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| 05:13.29 | ls- | leave it in, but disable it by default |
| 05:13.30 | Dejablue | Already avhe the code so i left it in |
| 05:13.44 | ls- | I left it in for my toasts |
| 05:13.48 | Dejablue | dont want backlash either. |
| 05:14.35 | ls- | given how classic crowd behaves, there'll be some backlash regardless of what you decide to do |
| 05:14.46 | ls- | simply because your addon exists :V |
| 05:14.52 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> ^ |
| 05:15.04 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> but they will all be using addons |
| 05:15.11 | Dejablue | yeah true, then people will backlash becasue I DONT have ilvl lol |
| 05:15.14 | ls- | "it's so detailed, it removes any sense of mystery!" © |
| 05:15.35 | EsreverWoW | It's not really the Classic crowd. It's just the degenerates from private servers and people following their chosen Twitch streamer. |
| 05:15.55 | ls- | I have no sympathy for either at this point |
| 05:16.11 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> Actually to be honest.. I been working with quite a bit with the private server communities |
| 05:16.22 | Dejablue | I am going to set default to hidden and add this description. Thoughts? "Displays the item level of each equipped item. Caveat; Item level is relatively meaningless in Classic." |
| 05:16.29 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> alot of them want ElvUI and Tukui |
| 05:16.36 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> and ls: toasts |
| 05:16.40 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> >.> |
| 05:16.53 | EsreverWoW | I mean, there are already the backports from Bunny/Crum/the others. |
| 05:16.54 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> totalrp3 |
| 05:17.00 | EsreverWoW | At least for Elv. |
| 05:17.07 | Dejablue | Blizzard used pretty specific language about the LFG addon that "displaying information" was AOkay |
| 05:17.15 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> the 1.12 version doesn't work in Classic ð |
| 05:17.21 | EsreverWoW | Obviously. |
| 05:17.29 | EsreverWoW | Maybe I misunderstood what you were meaning? |
| 05:17.39 | Dejablue | You ever backport to vanilla? I did two small addons was a nightmare lol |
| 05:17.53 | EsreverWoW | lack of varargs is gross |
| 05:18.01 | ls- | ew~ |
| 05:18.04 | EsreverWoW | this instead of self is gross |
| 05:18.28 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> yea they need to the whole local , , item = GetItemInfo(id) |
| 05:19.40 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> among other niche things but it's fine |
| 05:26.06 | ls- | you're a masochist |
| 05:26.25 | ls- | I'd never ever touch vanilla code again |
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| 06:21.31 | Ennea | it was gross for sure |
| 06:21.39 | Ennea | did it myself when i was playing on a private server for a while :) |
| 06:21.56 | Ennea | biggest thing i ported back to 1.12 was libkeybound, though. so not that big |
| 06:26.25 | Mr_Rabies | honestly i think classiclfg's biggest flaw was announcing its existence before classic launched |
| 06:26.37 | Mr_Rabies | i would have treated that like a nintendo fangame and shut my mouth until it was out :V |
| 06:28.33 | Mr_Rabies | they're much less likely to pounce on something like that once it's in peoples' hands and they can see the impact of it for real instead of perceived damage |
| 06:28.39 | ls- | and should've used a different name world-of-warcraft-classic |
| 06:28.46 | Mr_Rabies | and also once they've shipped the code |
| 06:28.50 | ls- | fucking rmb switch |
| 06:28.53 | ls- | bruh |
| 06:28.57 | Ennea | just replace it already |
| 06:29.02 | Ennea | 30 minute job |
| 06:29.05 | ls- | too lazy to solder T_T |
| 06:29.10 | Ennea | do it~ |
| 06:29.17 | Mr_Rabies | i miss my work soldering iron when i worked at the computer shop |
| 06:29.20 | Mr_Rabies | it was a nice haako |
| 06:29.22 | ls- | I just spent 30m trying to repair my stand fan's electric motor |
| 06:29.28 | ls- | but it's dead dead |
| 06:29.33 | Ennea | aw |
| 06:29.36 | Mr_Rabies | now i got some awful one that gets 100000 degrees so i have to work fast but eh |
| 06:29.37 | Mr_Rabies | it was cheap |
| 06:30.07 | Mr_Rabies | i should get an inline dimmer |
| 06:30.35 | ls- | I used dimmers to replace buttons on stand fans |
| 06:30.42 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, electric motors are the one thing that once they're dead i'm pretty much lost on without just replacing it |
| 06:31.15 | Mr_Rabies | i've gotten some working for a short while but not really reliably at all |
| 06:31.50 | ls- | yeah, quite often it's just a copper wire somewhere deep inside the coil that got damaged |
| 06:31.57 | ls- | no point in trying to repair those |
| 06:32.52 | Mr_Rabies | but i've saved a lot of money on computer monitors repairing capacitors over the years |
| 06:33.44 | Mr_Rabies | i guess those were the last stand of poorly made capacitor plague because between myself and my parent's office we got maybe 10 monitors in 2007-2008 and i repaired the capacitors in like 4 of them |
| 06:33.55 | Mr_Rabies | replaced |
| 06:33.56 | Mr_Rabies | rather |
| 06:33.57 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 06:34.23 | Mr_Rabies | one went out twice so into the trash it went, but otherwise they've all been working great |
| 06:34.37 | Mr_Rabies | if my good capacitors go out in a year there was something else wrong lol |
| 06:39.54 | ls- | I can't imagine how much money I saved on repairing my 2012ish razer naga |
| 06:41.00 | ls- | it's frankesteined af at this point |
| 06:41.51 | ls- | brandless odm switches, brandless odm sensor |
| 06:45.56 | Dejablue | Im out guys. happy Classic tomorrow! :) Thanks for all the help Cheers! |
| 07:06.35 | ls- | I should teach my gf how to solder, so she'd do it when I'm lazy like now |
| 07:12.26 | Mr_Rabies | at the point i learned, 56k modems were plentiful and worthless so those were a great option |
| 07:28.26 | ls- | I learnt it by messing w/ old kbs, they're everywhere |
| 07:44.37 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really know how to do smt stuff other than very large ICs with large pads on them, and even then |
| 07:44.51 | Mr_Rabies | through pin is super easy though |
| 07:45.26 | Ennea | ls-, you even replaced the sensor? |
| 07:45.31 | Mr_Rabies | er through hole lol |
| 07:46.27 | ls- | yeah, dropped it once, and the sensor detached from the pcb |
| 07:46.33 | Ennea | woopsie :D |
| 07:46.51 | ls- | at first tried soldering it back, but it didn't work, so had to buy a new one |
| 07:47.03 | Ennea | i would've gotten a new mouse at that point |
| 07:47.14 | ls- | it's still fairly cheap :D |
| 07:47.17 | Mr_Rabies | fun learning experience if the components are cheap enough |
| 07:47.35 | Mr_Rabies | only real risk is having to buy a new one anyway |
| 07:47.47 | Ennea | ls-, thing is, i wouldn't have settled for any sensor but the one that's already in there |
| 07:48.03 | Mr_Rabies | i hate that logitech still uses the cheap omrons |
| 07:48.30 | Mr_Rabies | every mouse i've retired i've done it mostly because the microswitch(s) went bad |
| 07:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | es |
| 07:49.04 | Mr_Rabies | i do realize i use my mouse more than the average joe |
| 07:49.09 | Ennea | same :/ recently replaced one in my mouse at work, which just used to be my mouse at home |
| 07:49.15 | Mr_Rabies | but my G203 went out after a year |
| 07:49.15 | Ennea | retired to work mouse due to broken microswitches |
| 07:49.41 | Ennea | clicking the wheel doing more than one click |
| 07:49.43 | Ennea | best i had was 8 or so |
| 07:49.45 | Mr_Rabies | it's a really nice mouse otherwise though especially for the price |
| 07:49.55 | Mr_Rabies | if i didn't already have omron switches in a drawer i'd just buy a new one |
| 07:49.58 | Mr_Rabies | it was like $20 lol |
| 07:50.02 | Ennea | i feel like logitech's quality went down a lot over the years |
| 07:50.02 | ls- | that's my rmb switch rn :V |
| 07:50.16 | Mr_Rabies | well i've been having issues with them since the mx1000 |
| 07:50.30 | Mr_Rabies | but i will say that overall the mx1000 was one of the best mice i ever owned |
| 07:50.57 | ls- | Mr_Rabies, as I told Ennea yesterday, I'm buying my switches for $0.03-0.15/piece :D |
| 07:51.13 | Mr_Rabies | you would think they'd at least write the software to compensate |
| 07:51.13 | Ennea | last logitech mouse i owned was a g5 :D |
| 07:51.16 | ls- | 3-15 cents for an odm switch is dirtcheap |
| 07:51.23 | Ennea | oh god, logitech software is terrible |
| 07:51.27 | Mr_Rabies | like it should know if you click 8 times in 0.01 seconds |
| 07:51.30 | Ennea | ls-, those prices are mean |
| 07:51.32 | Mr_Rabies | it's probably not you doing it |
| 07:51.41 | Mr_Rabies | the gaming software isn't bad, Ennea |
| 07:51.44 | Ennea | oh, that's what you mean, Mr_Rabies |
| 07:51.47 | Mr_Rabies | or at least i've had no problems with it |
| 07:51.56 | Ennea | well, i guess the mouse driver could catch that |
| 07:52.06 | Ennea | but why should it ;D |
| 07:52.08 | Mr_Rabies | like they could totally compensate for some of the microswitch stuff with drivers/software |
| 07:52.21 | Mr_Rabies | well probably because of this reason, but at scale |
| 07:52.23 | Ennea | that would lead to more errors |
| 07:52.28 | Mr_Rabies | <Mr_Rabies> if i didn't already have omron switches in a drawer i'd just buy a new one |
| 07:52.32 | Ennea | possibility of it eating legitimate input |
| 07:52.34 | Ennea | that's no good |
| 07:52.46 | ls- | Mr_Rabies there's also shops that sell switches by weight :V |
| 07:52.53 | Mr_Rabies | i know, i'm just saying |
| 07:52.57 | Ennea | i measured the delay of those clicks, it was usually around 80-100 ms |
| 07:53.00 | Mr_Rabies | logitech has a "Drawer of omron switches" |
| 07:53.05 | Ennea | thing is, if i try, i can get that low with legitimate clicks as well |
| 07:53.07 | Mr_Rabies | that they've probably been drawing from for 20 years now |
| 07:54.40 | ls- | k, need to go and buy a new fan, it's 32C in my flat >_> |
| 07:56.45 | Mr_Rabies | honestly surprised they haven't sold any mouse with cherry-style switches |
| 07:56.54 | Mr_Rabies | or i haven't seen any out there at least |
| 07:56.55 | Ennea | that'd be weird |
| 07:57.07 | Mr_Rabies | a more robust design than the current microswitches |
| 07:57.19 | Ennea | cherry style switches have travel |
| 07:57.32 | Ennea | lots of it, compared to microswitches |
| 07:57.40 | Ennea | they're also way too big |
| 07:57.42 | Mr_Rabies | it varies how much, and i'm sure you could work to make it feel very similar |
| 07:57.57 | Ennea | at that point, you might as well just design a new switch |
| 07:57.58 | Mr_Rabies | i mean style, not necessarily exactly the same |
| 07:58.11 | Mr_Rabies | but something using a similar design, maybe scaled down |
| 07:58.17 | Mr_Rabies | and without travel |
| 07:58.37 | Mr_Rabies | a lot of mice have a little travel before they actually click anyway |
| 07:58.55 | Mr_Rabies | you have to sorta flex the button before it hits the microswitch |
| 08:00.17 | Ennea | that's from the mouse, though, not the switch itself |
| 08:00.28 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 08:00.40 | Ennea | and even from the mouse side, it's minimal |
| 08:00.46 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just saying it's obvious there are some weaknesses from using such thin metal sheets for some of this stuff |
| 08:01.19 | Mr_Rabies | some better spring designs or something would be nice, but it seems omron mostly does the same thing with different materials |
| 08:03.49 | Mr_Rabies | that's an interesting design https://p.globalsources.com/IMAGES/PDT/S1168799086/Electrical-Replace-Zippy-Micro-Switch-5A-250V-T85-with-Arc-Lever.jpg |
| 08:04.03 | ls- | heh, omron switches, their factory is here in thailand :V |
| 08:04.20 | Mr_Rabies | apparently some zippy microswitches use coil springs, so not all that different from cherry switches in functionality |
| 08:05.32 | Ennea | Mr_Rabies, what part of that design is interesting? |
| 08:05.35 | Ennea | looks like any other microswitch |
| 08:09.40 | Mr_Rabies | the little lever at the top that pushes the switch itself down , but i guess that's pretty common outside of mice |
| 08:10.44 | Mr_Rabies | i paid about $2 each for mine, ls- lol |
| 08:11.02 | Mr_Rabies | but it was the japanese D2F-01F ones |
| 08:11.28 | Ennea | yea, omron also makes microswitches with that little latch |
| 08:11.33 | Ennea | i have a bunch of those on my 3d printer |
| 08:11.45 | Ennea | hell yea, d2f-01f. got those as well |
| 08:12.21 | ls- | even when it comes to omrons its up to razer and other companies to decide what kind of actuator and whatnot they want to use |
| 08:12.22 | ls- | https://th.misumi-ec.com/vona2/detail/221000559149/ |
| 08:13.28 | Mr_Rabies | i want a mouse with huge arcade switches for buttons |
| 08:13.34 | Ennea | lol :D |
| 08:13.40 | ls- | there's A LOT to choose from, but most mouse manufacturers choose the cheapest shit |
| 08:14.16 | Mr_Rabies | put a wheel and a sensor on this and i'm set https://hackaday.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/arcade_button_light_switch.jpg |
| 08:14.48 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 08:14.49 | Mr_Rabies | https://groovygamegear.com/Store_Images/CLASSX_SOLIDS_SWITCHES.jpg |
| 08:14.55 | Mr_Rabies | if this is a commmon ish design |
| 08:15.01 | ls- | imho, these days the only expensive component to replace on HIDs is usb-c ports/plugs |
| 08:15.02 | Mr_Rabies | the actual switch part looks mighty familiar lol |
| 08:15.06 | ls- | those are expensive af |
| 08:15.15 | ls- | up to $20 |
| 08:15.21 | Mr_Rabies | probably a pain to solder too |
| 08:15.33 | Mr_Rabies | which might be part of why |
| 08:15.41 | ls- | yup, but the hw itself is expensive |
| 08:15.58 | Mr_Rabies | secondary market for ripping perfectly functional components out of discarded stuff probably drives down the price |
| 08:16.14 | Mr_Rabies | not a ton of broken usb-c stuff out there yet and what is probably isn't worth desoldering |
| 08:16.30 | ls- | yeah, kinda |
| 08:17.01 | Ennea | oh man, i totally forgot about the obvious thing to replace microswitches |
| 08:17.03 | ls- | if you need to repair a lot of usb-c ports/plugs, you can't really rely on zombie/donor pcbs |
| 08:17.04 | Ennea | blaming it on monday |
| 08:17.06 | ls- | they're few |
| 08:17.08 | Ennea | uhh.. optical switches! |
| 08:17.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeah i was thinking the same |
| 08:17.21 | Ennea | in fact, i backed a mouse on indiegogo a while ago that wants to use optical switches |
| 08:17.24 | Ennea | so let's see how that goes |
| 08:17.25 | ls- | I love me some optical kb switches |
| 08:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | since the clickie part still works fine on most of these |
| 08:17.48 | Ennea | heck, even if the thing doesn't click anymore it will probably still work ;D |
| 08:17.50 | Mr_Rabies | just replace the actual switch part with an optical one |
| 08:18.00 | Mr_Rabies | yeah but people are used to mice clicking |
| 08:18.07 | Mr_Rabies | i don't think you could get rid of them at this point |
| 08:18.07 | ls- | I LOVE topre switches |
| 08:18.14 | Ennea | topre <3 |
| 08:18.19 | Ennea | but those are not optical |
| 08:18.40 | Ennea | they're electro-capacitive |
| 08:18.52 | Ennea | i got a realforce at home, and a board with topre clones here at work |
| 08:19.02 | Ennea | i love them both |
| 08:19.02 | Mr_Rabies | even more fancy but also prone to error lol |
| 08:19.10 | Mr_Rabies | acoustic switches |
| 08:19.15 | Ennea | the hell, lol |
| 08:19.22 | Mr_Rabies | imagine |
| 08:20.12 | Mr_Rabies | imagine pulling off the perfect raid rotation by piping a top ranked player's sound file into the mouse |
| 08:20.31 | Mr_Rabies | (i know that really doesn't mean anything but the thought makes me laugh |
| 08:20.40 | Mr_Rabies | it hears you click and says "okay they clicked, count it" |
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| 10:48.46 | ls- | k, resoldered that bitch |
| 10:48.54 | ls- | now my rmb works :V |
| 10:49.03 | ls- | hopefully >_> |
| 10:57.00 | ls- | also replaced numpad keycaps, old ones were busted after all these years of usage |
| 10:57.57 | ls- | but forgot to buy new teflon pads, rip |
| 11:01.07 | ls- | ugh, feels like garbage w/o them, off to the shop T_T |
| 11:07.47 | Ennea | :D |
| 11:07.51 | Ennea | ls-, what keyboard you got? |
| 11:10.19 | ls- | washable logitech :V |
| 11:10.27 | ls- | k310 |
| 11:10.46 | Ennea | oh god |
| 11:10.52 | ls- | I replaced caps on my naga's numpad :D |
| 11:11.13 | ls- | I actually don't really like mechanical kbs |
| 11:11.35 | Ennea | whaaaat |
| 11:11.41 | ls- | there's VERY few switches that feel satisfying |
| 11:12.31 | Ennea | topre and mx clears are my favorites |
| 11:13.02 | ls- | I like topre 45g, yeah, but there's practically no decent kbs w/ them |
| 11:13.10 | ls- | and I cba to build my own kb |
| 11:13.36 | Ennea | what's decent in your book? |
| 11:14.28 | ls- | I wouldn't mind getting vortex race 3 w/ topre 45gs in it :V |
| 11:14.42 | Ennea | well, that's probably not gonna happen |
| 11:14.46 | ls- | yup |
| 11:15.03 | Ennea | if you want small form factor boards with EC switches, i think hhkb and the new 60% plum are your only options |
| 11:15.04 | ls- | that's why washable k310 is my current kb |
| 11:15.13 | Ennea | and i suggest you try a plum if you haven't |
| 11:15.16 | Ennea | those clones are pretty damn good |
| 11:15.22 | Ennea | and you're close to the source anyway ;D |
| 11:15.32 | ls- | 60% is shite in my book, 75% is noice |
| 11:15.46 | ls- | F-keys are a must! |
| 11:15.49 | Ennea | i don't wanna use anything smaller than fullsize, personally |
| 11:15.50 | Ennea | yea, i agree |
| 11:17.14 | ls- | idc about numpads because I always use a separate one, so anything in between 75% and tkl is good |
| 11:18.19 | ls- | but, tbqh, the most comfortable kb I've ever used is my old 2015 MBP's keyboard :V |
| 11:18.46 | ls- | newer macbooks' kbs are garbage T_T |
| 11:20.50 | Ennea | not a fan of laptop keyboards |
| 11:21.08 | ls- | https://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/multi-device-keyboard-k380?crid=27 that's the kb I used at work :V |
| 11:21.33 | ls- | I worked in hardware R&D :V |
| 11:21.39 | Ennea | this is the one i use at work: https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=1901 |
| 11:22.04 | Ennea | with these keycaps on it: https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-mt3-dev-tty-keycap-set?mode=guest_open |
| 11:26.19 | ls- | I'd prob buy this one https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=3619, but then again... finding switches I like is a problem |
| 11:26.35 | ls- | I tried all of the cherries and liked none of them |
| 11:26.47 | Ennea | eh, that's just a tkl like any other |
| 11:26.56 | Ennea | if you like topre so much, grab the plum tkl variant |
| 11:27.00 | Ennea | or one of the realforce ones even |
| 11:27.06 | Ennea | or perhaps a leopold fc980c? |
| 11:27.46 | ls- | I meant the design of that kb, like the colour scheme |
| 11:27.59 | Ennea | ah |
| 11:28.14 | Ennea | well, grab any black tkl board and get keycaps of your choice ;D |
| 11:28.28 | Ennea | out of curiosity, what don't you like about the feeling of mx switches? |
| 11:30.16 | ls- | hard to describe, subjective stuff :P |
| 11:30.39 | ls- | I just couldn't find any that I liked the feeling of |
| 11:34.29 | ls- | ah, working rmb feels noice |
| 11:34.52 | ls- | I've been suffering for the past 3 months or so |
| 11:35.01 | Ennea | man, you've been super lazy, haven't you? |
| 11:35.08 | ls- | yeah T_T |
| 11:35.32 | ls- | but today I finally spent 15 minutes to resolder it |
| 11:36.44 | ls- | I bet disassembly and reassembly of the mouse took longer T_T |
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| 14:12.10 | fictive | https://www.maxgaming.no/gaming-tastatur/va88m-cmyk-pbt-white-led-mx-silent-red I use this one. Most comfortable keyboard I've ever tried. Silent red is just butter smooth to the touch |
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| 14:25.45 | Ennea | varmilo makes some decent boards, too :) |
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| 20:38.32 | Gnarfoz | anyone know how to install an addon for Classic using the Twitch client? |
| 20:38.48 | Gnarfoz | for example I already have Inventorian on live and I want to install it for Classic |
| 20:38.53 | Gnarfoz | the only option is "reinstall" |
| 20:39.49 | Industrial | Hi. I have an addon called idAddon for 8.x and also for 1.12. 1) Which one should I try to load? 2) Are there huge changes to the API? https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/info23978-idTweaks.htmlf |
| 20:40.24 | Industrial | Gnarfoz: Twitch does addon installing for you now? I couldn't do it with Minion myself so I just used zips |
| 20:40.43 | Gnarfoz | I mean, that's what the client is for, so, yeah? :O |
| 20:41.02 | Industrial | I thought it was for like talking and looking at peoples streams :p |
| 20:41.06 | nevcairiel | just switch the folder to classic and click install? |
| 20:41.15 | Ennea | Industrial, 1.13 is based on the 8.1 client |
| 20:41.15 | nevcairiel | it should switch to an empty addon list =p |
| 20:41.16 | Gnarfoz | when I switch to classic it only offers "reinstall" |
| 20:41.23 | Gnarfoz | under "get more" |
| 20:41.26 | Gnarfoz | but that works |
| 20:41.28 | Industrial | Ennea: right, cool |
| 20:41.35 | Ennea | Industrial, api changes can be found here https://wow.gamepedia.com/Patch_1.13.2/API_changes |
| 20:45.39 | Gnarfoz | Industrial: times move fast :D Curse's go at voice comms/chat (which Twitch bought) is dead already, so its only streams and games/mods now |
| 20:46.24 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: did you mean to imply Classic should be listed as its own top level game? |
| 20:46.41 | nevcairiel | no |
| 20:46.56 | Gnarfoz | hm. I guess the case of "no addons, yet" wasn't really tested (lol testing) |
| 20:47.17 | nevcairiel | i think i tested that a few days ago, but i forgot what it did |
| 20:47.29 | nevcairiel | but if you managed to install one now, it should just show a new list |
| 20:48.03 | Gnarfoz | yeah it does now |
| 20:48.24 | Gnarfoz | I just went ahead and "reinstalled" Inventorian from the "get more" list while classic was selected |
| 20:48.38 | Gnarfoz | procuded the desired result ^^ |
| 20:48.38 | nevcairiel | did it actually get the classic version then? |
| 20:48.47 | Gnarfoz | it said 1.13.something, yeah |
| 20:49.01 | Gnarfoz | not for some others I installed, I assume they just use their regular version number |
| 20:49.08 | nevcairiel | sweet summer child, trusting what it says |
| 20:49.11 | Gnarfoz | i.e. OmniCC, BT4, WA |
| 20:49.25 | Gnarfoz | ## Interface: 11302 |
| 20:49.29 | Gnarfoz | that seems correct |
| 20:49.30 | Gnarfoz | :D |
| 20:49.51 | Ennea | is omnicc even required still? didn't 1.13 have a visible cooldown on action buttons already, during the stress test? |
| 20:49.52 | Gnarfoz | OmniCC however... not so much, that uses 80200 |
| 20:50.00 | Ennea | at least my hearthstone did |
| 20:50.09 | Gnarfoz | Ennea: no clue, tbh, I logged into beta once and logged straight back out again :P |
| 20:50.14 | nevcairiel | some of my smaller addons i use wow-version-based-versioning, so its 8.2.0.x for live and 1.13.2.x for classic now, stuff like BT4 has its own versioning deal so its just 4.66.6-classic |
| 20:50.25 | Gnarfoz | either way, even today on retail I use OmniCC, the default thing is just not as nice |
| 20:50.38 | Ennea | hm |
| 20:50.39 | nevcairiel | me too, I like it for style changes |
| 20:50.41 | Ennea | oh well, i'll see ;D |
| 20:50.52 | Ennea | i remember switching to tullacooldowncount at some point |
| 20:51.02 | nevcairiel | that didnt have the options i needed |
| 20:51.03 | Ennea | that was the name, i think.. |
| 20:51.06 | nevcairiel | i forgot what that was |
| 20:51.07 | Gnarfoz | nevcairiel: the bt version I got has the correct toc# but uses 4.8.4 as version, does that seem corrrect? |
| 20:51.14 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 20:51.19 | nevcairiel | i forgot what the real version was |
| 20:51.24 | nevcairiel | so i subsituted sixes |
| 20:51.47 | nevcairiel | yeah 4.8.4 is right |
| 20:56.38 | netameta | where can i download questie ? |
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| 21:30.31 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> wowi / curse |
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| 21:32.51 | Elmoe | Is there a blessed way to distribute both the classic and retail versions of an add-on under a single project on Twitch/Curseforge? |
| 21:34.30 | EsreverWoW | https://github.com/BigWigsMods/packager |
| 21:34.54 | EsreverWoW | But also, the web upload allows for it too if you want to do it manually. |
| 21:37.50 | jaxdahl | how does one grab the classic version via the twitch app - say, use WA2 as an example? |
| 21:38.07 | jaxdahl | or are we going for the 'authentic' classic addon download experience |
| 21:39.01 | Elmoe | EsreverWoW: cool scripts but not really my question, I was wondering how the actual Twitch packager works so I don't have to upload a zip myself |
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| 21:39.58 | guill | Classic hyyyype |
| 21:40.07 | kd3 | ayup |
| 21:40.36 | EsreverWoW | To be fair, you didn't really make that the point of your question. |
| 21:40.53 | Elmoe | sorry meant "blessed by Twitch" |
| 21:46.16 | Ennea | guill, hyyyyyype~ |
| 21:46.45 | Ennea | lucifron, german pvp realm, has a queue of almost 22000 |
| 21:46.51 | Ennea | with an estimated wait time of 285 minutes |
| 21:46.52 | Ennea | :D |
| 21:49.24 | znf | I checked earlier https://i.imgur.com/4ZGcXkm.jpg |
| 21:49.30 | Ennea | damn |
| 21:49.33 | Ennea | which realm is that? |
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| 21:50.09 | znf | no idea, I checked for a friend who asked me to reserve a name for him |
| 21:50.21 | Ennea | heh :D |
| 21:50.31 | Ennea | a bit late for that |
| 21:50.50 | znf | yeah, I guess |
| 21:51.35 | guill | The real classic launch experience! |
| 21:52.01 | Ennea | well, not quite like back in the day |
| 21:52.03 | Ennea | but close enough |
| 22:17.54 | nevcairiel | Maybe I should finally figure out what class I want to play, even if I won't be playing much ultimately :D |
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| 22:23.04 | Ennea | i thought you already decided you'd be playing a cow? ;p |
| 22:23.22 | nevcairiel | thats a race |
| 22:23.33 | Ennea | pff |
| 22:23.35 | Ennea | specifics |
| 22:24.00 | Ennea | man, the lag right now, lol |
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| 23:05.30 | kd3 | well, they're recreating the vanilla launch experience |
| 23:05.35 | kd3 | loot lag was /terrible/ |
| 23:26.54 | Gnarfoz | loot has always been heavy on the servers |
| 23:27.17 | Gnarfoz | something something Oracle DB |
| 23:28.27 | nevcairiel | so is everyone on my friendlist still in the waiting l ist, or does classic just not tell me where or what they are |
| 23:29.17 | kd3 | oh, huh. I never even thought about that. does cross-game chat work in classic? |
| 23:29.22 | kd3 | #nochanges would suggest no, but... |
| 23:29.30 | nevcairiel | b.net is basically integrated, y es |
| 23:29.47 | nevcairiel | even b.net group chat is accessible |
| 23:30.12 | nevcairiel | which has people up in a huff already |
| 23:43.02 | znf | I need to check out /r/classicwow to feed on the tears of people |
| 23:43.14 | TukuiDevs | <Azilroka> LOL |
| 23:45.23 | nevcairiel | too early |
| 23:45.36 | nevcairiel | although one annoying bug I found, the classic client doesnt remember which realm you were on |
| 23:45.43 | nevcairiel | so it gives you the realm l ist everytime |
| 23:49.56 | znf | are you actually leveling, Gnarfoz |
| 23:50.05 | znf | or just looking at the login screen |
| 23:50.20 | Gnarfoz | gf went to bed so I'm setting up another char right now |
| 23:50.54 | znf | I have 11 people on my friend list in WoW Classic |
| 23:50.56 | znf | weirdos |
| 23:51.14 | znf | 12 |
| 23:51.19 | nevcairiel | everytime i restart the game it does its update dance holding me up, cant they fix that nonsense after years of battle.net |
| 23:52.34 | znf | they should have delivered the game via BitTorrent |
| 23:52.44 | znf | for authenticity |
| 23:53.04 | nevcairiel | that was actually pretty smart at the time |
| 23:53.11 | znf | indeed it was |
| 23:54.52 | nevcairiel | ... now i can't login anymore. I can't work like this! |
| 23:55.26 | znf | intended! |
| 23:55.42 | kd3 | they just made blue posts about login servers being down |
| 23:56.02 | kd3 | https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/login-issues-4-30-p-m-pdt-august-26/269973 |
| 23:56.07 | nevcairiel | i get to char list fine, joining the world is where i get stuck |
| 23:56.51 | nevcairiel | oh now it says world server down |
| 23:57.26 | nevcairiel | guess no more addon fixings |
| 23:58.01 | znf | how did they end up breaking ClassicLFG, btw? |
| 23:58.10 | nevcairiel | they didnt, yet |
| 23:58.14 | kd3 | they haven't yet is my understanding |
| 23:58.18 | kd3 | next week or two |
| 23:58.51 | nevcairiel | i still hold out hope that they'll actually look at it and then realize that it does nothing of those things that the mob whined about |
