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| 02:20.55 | *** topic/#wowuidev is WoW Classic Beta Addon Cat: https://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/cat160.html || 8.1.x ToC: 80100 || http://pastebin.com || Battletags: http://bit.ly/2MAEFxk || This channel is logged, via purl || Currently mode +r due to spam until a better solution is found. |
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| 03:01.59 | MooreaTv | I think I found a bug (that has some exploiting capabilities), how do I report it (not publicly) |
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| 04:57.36 | Industrial | Iriel: ^ |
| 04:57.56 | Industrial | or was it? :p |
| 04:58.42 | MooreaTv | ? |
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| 05:15.04 | Mr_Rabies | i mean you can do the ingame report bug thing, MooreaTv |
| 05:15.23 | Mr_Rabies | or if you think it's more urgent there's an email i think |
| 05:15.54 | MooreaTv | mr_rabies- are those in game looked at fairly carefully ? yeah was thinking what's their disclosure email ? |
| 05:16.36 | Mr_Rabies | hacks@blizzard.com might be a useful one |
| 05:16.39 | Mr_Rabies | https://us.battle.net/support/en/article/2648 |
| 05:16.56 | Mr_Rabies | i know that's not exactly it, but that email checks for exploits etc |
| 05:17.02 | Mr_Rabies | well whoever attends it does |
| 05:17.02 | Mr_Rabies | :p |
| 05:18.33 | MooreaTv | k will try that one, thx (lets see if I get a bounce back and/or auto reply) |
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| 07:35.44 | MooreaTv | sent, no auto ack and no bounce (yet) either. took a bit to retest on the PTR where it's also not fixed but I had other ptr issues |
| 07:38.47 | Ennea | MooreaTv, out of curiosity, in what rough direction does your bug go? as in, what would the exploit result be? fooling/scamming players? ui addon denial of service? |
| 07:40.58 | MooreaTv | not fooling/scamming players; doing stuff you're not supposed to be able to do (with a secondary effect of consuming too many server resources too) |
| 07:41.16 | Ennea | ohh |
| 07:41.59 | Ennea | man, stuff that you're not supposed to.. still reminds me of that addon that displayed boss AoE areas in the world or some shit, which lead blizz to remove (?) those depth api functions |
| 07:42.00 | Ennea | bummer |
| 07:42.11 | Ennea | those were quite cool. that addon that made distant nameplates smaller was the shit |
| 07:42.57 | MooreaTv | there is a fine line and I guess if it's urgent, the "solution" maybe broader than we want (for instance the spell rank stuff in classic) |
| 07:43.00 | MooreaTv | spell ids |
| 07:44.22 | Ennea | i'm _also_ bummed out about the UnitCastingInfo stuff in classic, although i can kinda understand the logic behind it |
| 07:45.04 | Ennea | MooreaTv, btw, did you manage to find any compress/decompress functions you were looking for? |
| 07:45.36 | MooreaTv | nope, toying with making a zstd pure lua implementation but that'd be significant work |
| 07:45.59 | Ennea | hm |
| 07:46.04 | Ennea | wonder how well it'd perform |
| 07:46.17 | Ennea | what are you looking to compress? |
| 07:46.28 | MooreaTv | probably better than deflate I would expect but... |
| 07:46.36 | MooreaTv | item and auction dbs |
| 07:46.40 | Ennea | ah |
| 07:46.58 | Ennea | oh, you were also the one fiddling with auction house queries these past couple days? |
| 07:47.04 | Ennea | with the couple gigabytes of data? |
| 07:47.04 | MooreaTv | zstd with custom dictionary would do very well |
| 07:47.53 | MooreaTv | I'm down to 2Mb a scan from 30Mb a scan (for ~60k auctions) through better data structure/packing/encoding but... |
| 07:48.06 | Ennea | i was wondering about the auction house stuff. i'm very far from being up to date, i haven't played retail since wotlk |
| 07:48.20 | MooreaTv | the multi gigabyte was when I accidentally kept saving, having an error, saving again... |
| 07:48.25 | Ennea | but back in the day we had auctioneer. surely there are also some up to date auction house addons that scan everything |
| 07:48.29 | Ennea | how do they deal with the data? |
| 07:48.42 | Ennea | 2mb sounds pretty good |
| 07:49.07 | MooreaTv | modern auction stuff have become lazy because of the web api to download ah data... which won't be at least at launch on classic |
| 07:49.29 | Ennea | oh, there's a web api now? |
| 07:49.39 | MooreaTv | mostly I want to record the history/bootstrap of new economy on new classic servers |
| 07:49.45 | Ennea | can you make web requests using the addon api now, or how does that work in the end? |
| 07:49.58 | Ennea | ohhh, that sounds like a cool plan |
| 07:50.07 | MooreaTv | there is, that's how Undermine Journal, Zygor, TSM and others push the data to all clients |
| 07:50.14 | Ennea | if you need people to run your code once servers go live, i'll gladly help |
| 07:50.21 | MooreaTv | no no, it just updates your addon |
| 07:50.27 | nevcairiel | note that zstd performance claims are slightly misleading compared to deflate, since zstd uses multi-threading, and deflate does not, and Lua obviously cannot either |
| 07:50.45 | Ennea | ^ good point |
| 07:50.46 | MooreaTv | I mean those addons have a companion app to download data that they download from blizz |
| 07:51.02 | Ennea | MooreaTv, disregard the web api stuff for now |
| 07:51.14 | Ennea | i was just saying, your idea sounds like a cool plan |
| 07:51.22 | Ennea | but you'd need people running your addon to collect data, right? |
| 07:51.31 | MooreaTv | I worked with the guy that wrote lz4 before he wrote zstd, he is more than solid so I'll take his claims |
| 07:51.31 | Ennea | and i was saying, i'd gladly help you with that |
| 07:51.54 | MooreaTv | yes I'd love to |
| 07:51.57 | MooreaTv | thanks |
| 07:52.15 | Ennea | assuming you're interested in the data of multiple realms |
| 07:52.24 | Ennea | i'll play on hydraxian waterlords, EU's rp realm |
| 07:52.34 | MooreaTv | I am trying to find some quick feature/benefit folks would get so they'd run the addon which for now only collects data |
| 07:52.44 | Ennea | anyway, somebody please point me in the direction of those web request functions in the addon api |
| 07:53.04 | Ennea | well, you're recording auction data and people have been asking for a new auctioneer for classic |
| 07:53.05 | MooreaTv | I have been looking at blizz's sso (oauth) but I haven't had time to crack the server side/upload part |
| 07:53.09 | MooreaTv | yet |
| 07:53.16 | Ennea | just give em that. add a tooltip to items with a mean sell price on the AH |
| 07:54.03 | MooreaTv | yeah I try to clarify: blizzard has APIs for game data, but there is no web api in game/addon |
| 07:54.07 | Ennea | ahh |
| 07:54.10 | Ennea | i misunderstood, then |
| 07:54.15 | MooreaTv | I wasn't clear |
| 07:54.47 | Ennea | i was surprised at first. adding web request functionalities to the addon api would be potentially destructive/easily abusable |
| 07:55.10 | Ennea | so it makes sense blizz didn't add that after all ;D |
| 07:55.15 | MooreaTv | the flow is... TUJ (The Undermine Journal) on their server polls the Blizzard api servers for AH data, format it for their addon... and push it to their customers.... (as a addon data pack) |
| 07:55.38 | Ennea | so how does pushing it to the users work? |
| 07:55.51 | MooreaTv | they push it because they have some local app running... it's better in term of load for blizz game servers (vs constant scans) |
| 07:55.54 | Ennea | an additional tool that runs periodically and just grabs the latest data and places it inside the addons folder? |
| 07:56.03 | MooreaTv | yeah |
| 07:56.06 | Ennea | hm |
| 07:56.15 | MooreaTv | and you have to /reload to get new data obviously |
| 07:56.15 | Ennea | sounds kinda lame tbh |
| 07:56.56 | MooreaTv | I am happy classic won't have that, gave me an excuse to write yet another addon :) doing old style full scans, just better (tm) than competition |
| 07:57.49 | nevcairiel | scanning and storing the data was never the problem, actually using it in various relevant ways is the hard task |
| 07:58.37 | nevcairiel | (well, scanning has its own set of problems, but those are caused by the AH being old and crappy) |
| 07:59.08 | MooreaTv | it's pretty impressive actually how fast is it in new clients (well I hope the classic client will be as fast as bfa's) |
| 07:59.27 | MooreaTv | I remember back in the days it would DC or take forever |
| 08:00.08 | MooreaTv | it could also be because I'm the only one using this API at the moment because it all switched to those web based pushes :) |
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| 10:14.42 | Semlar | i'm almost afraid to ask, but why are all of the navigation links on curseforge going through a url shortener? |
| 10:38.12 | foxlit | Semlar: bit.ly collects click statistics |
| 10:42.18 | foxlit | (they also moved their "dev" blog posts to medium, authentication to twitch, support to zendesk/salesforge, feedback to uservoice, ...) |
| 10:42.25 | Semlar | using it for internal links on a website that you have control over is a little weird |
| 10:43.24 | nebula | what is with everyone moving their blogs to medium, just analyitics? |
| 10:45.08 | Semlar | hiding what a link points to is super sketchy and i would never normally click on a shortened link |
| 10:45.43 | foxlit | the cardinal sin here is that they're *http* links. |
| 10:45.59 | Semlar | that certainly doesn't help |
| 10:46.55 | Semlar | this is the kind of thing you might see someone do if they managed to hijack part of a website, but didn't have full control over it |
| 10:47.32 | foxlit | which is probably an accurate description of the state of cf devs |
| 10:48.20 | Semlar | do we actually have an ambassador for curseforge in here |
| 10:48.31 | foxlit | wake up every few months, back together some half-tested thing, spend the next few days desperate |
| 10:49.02 | foxlit | ly patching the most obvious bugs; go back to hibernation. |
| 10:49.59 | Semlar | i feel like you're personally attacking my approach to addon development |
| 10:56.55 | Ennea | :D |
| 10:57.25 | Ennea | i didn't even like curse back in the day |
| 10:57.30 | Ennea | i guess not much has changed :p |
| 10:57.32 | foxlit | expectations scale; what is acceptable for your hobby projects is disappointing coming from a company that treats itself semi-seriously |
| 10:57.41 | Ennea | ^ very true |
| 10:58.33 | Semlar | in other news, i have a 200mb error log for my own website because i added a rate limit to an endpoint that updates once an hour and someone has hit it 600,000 times today |
| 10:58.56 | Ennea | 600k, nice |
| 10:59.11 | Ennea | the hell kind of website are you running? :D |
| 10:59.16 | nebula | don't ask |
| 10:59.33 | Ennea | too late~ |
| 10:59.33 | Semlar | you would think they'd adjust their script after most of the requests aren't returning the data they're looking for |
| 10:59.49 | Ennea | nebula, regarding blogs being moved to medium, i'm wondering about that myself. seeing it a lot lately |
| 11:00.06 | Ennea | i'm not particularly fond of medium either. that giant ass of wasted space at the bottom.. ugh |
| 11:00.31 | Semlar | you mean the comment section? |
| 11:00.52 | Ennea | nah, the fixed part at the bottom of the viewport |
| 11:00.57 | Ennea | where you can subscribe or some such |
| 11:01.03 | nebula | i just remember people really didn't like it much because they can arbitrarily moderate your content for whatever reason |
| 11:01.05 | Ennea | oh, it actually looks like that's gone |
| 11:01.09 | nebula | but now everyone is using it |
| 11:01.48 | Ennea | i just don't really get the concept. i don't know of anybody who browses medium for articles |
| 11:02.04 | Ennea | if i ever end up on medium, it's because somebody linked a specific post |
| 11:03.44 | Semlar | i browse it for the popup that tracks how many medium articles i've inadvertantly clicked on this month |
| 11:03.59 | Ennea | :D |
| 11:04.28 | foxlit | I have safari set to enable reader mode automatically on that domain |
| 11:04.33 | Semlar | "whoops, i thought that was a link to stackoverflow" |
| 11:04.57 | foxlit | which kills all of their sticky non-content |
| 11:05.30 | Semlar | hey, those journalists have to eat |
| 11:06.00 | Ennea | maybe they should act like actual journalists |
| 11:06.07 | Ennea | that would be a decent start |
| 11:06.13 | foxlit | however, medium serves like 20x10px images in HTML and uses JS to lazy-load the proper resolution stuff when you scroll past it, which doesn't actually work in reader. |
| 11:09.46 | Semlar | but how will you give articles claps from reader mode |
| 11:15.33 | foxlit | the same way you like and subscribe to their youtube channel and share the article on facebook. |
| 11:16.30 | Ennea | does anybody actually do that? :D |
| 11:19.03 | Semlar | i think it's literally how authors get paid |
| 11:28.08 | foxlit | why would anyone agree to that? |
| 11:36.04 | Ennea | no other options, perhaps? |
| 11:36.06 | Ennea | sounds sad, in any case |
| 11:36.48 | Semlar | it's pretty difficult to make a living as a writer |
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| 14:38.28 | MooreaTv | foxlit- is it some heuristic that the localization section in globe seems to not include strings which start with escape sequences but it does if they are in the middle ? (eg "|cFF99E5FFLeft|r click ..." is not present) |
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| 14:42.36 | foxlit | no. |
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| 14:50.34 | MooreaTv | yea I tried a few things, it seems what it doesn't like is L["something" .. "some more"] |
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| 14:52.39 | foxlit | this should be somewhat obvious, but it doesn't run your code. |
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| 14:53.18 | MooreaTv | well it does do some concat and other stuff in other places, it seems |
| 14:54.10 | MooreaTv | it's fairly frequent to cut a string for indent reason, no ? |
| 14:55.10 | MooreaTv | I can make shorter fragments in the meantime but some stuff is better translated as a paragraph than fragments |
| 14:57.38 | foxlit | I don't think it concatenates anything. |
| 15:04.32 | foxlit | MooreaTv: it's fairly frequent to cut a string for indent reason, no ? << ¯\_(ã)_/¯ |
| 15:04.45 | MooreaTv | ic it can follow variable chains but not concat indeed (even though that seems about the same "hard" (e.g it finds testOfConcat as a global write from local tst1 = "testOfConcat" _G[tst1] = 1) |
| 15:04.53 | MooreaTv | what do you do with long strings ? |
| 15:05.17 | foxlit | write them in one string token, move on. |
| 15:06.15 | nevcairiel | people that enforce line breaks at 80 cols or so without any other thought are usually making everything worse, not better :D |
| 15:07.22 | foxlit | (I'd also try to keep formatting tokens out of your localization keys, because people invariably mess them up) |
| 15:07.29 | MooreaTv | I use column_limit: 120 and I don't mind whoever uses whatever reasonable (but probably not unlimited, for code) |
| 15:07.32 | foxlit | s/tokens/escapes/ |
| 15:09.08 | MooreaTv | how do you deal with it though, like I want to highlight "Left" in "Left click" but in french for instance it's "click left" (order swapped) |
| 15:10.23 | MooreaTv | I can invent some shorter markdown style stuff like L["*Left* click"] instead but... that seems like work :) |
| 15:16.59 | foxlit | most of the time by avoiding the situation. |
| 15:18.55 | foxlit | If it's a complete sentence ("To access the Snurfflegoom, left click on the Purnium then select a znoorbleshroom."), random color changes seem unwelcome as I expect you read all of it. |
| 15:19.42 | foxlit | If it's a scanning context, I'd split this into shorter pieces: "Left Click:" "Unleash the gobbie-doom." |
| 15:20.34 | foxlit | if it's a URL in the middle of a sentence, you'd want to use %s and string.format anyway, since having to go through all of the localization languages to update the URL would suck. |
| 15:21.50 | foxlit | but failing all that, there's :gsub("%b{}", "|cffff0000%0|r") |
| 15:27.14 | MooreaTv | yup thanks, yeah I cut it in sections as this isn't english literature |
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