| 00:00.10 | nevcairiel | thats because wowpedia is better then wowwiki :D |
| 00:00.57 | netameta | :-) |
| 00:02.05 | netameta | Will classic even have that whole cross realmshit ? |
| 00:02.13 | netameta | like name-realm |
| 00:03.09 | nevcairiel | later on in battlegrounds i think? |
| 00:04.01 | nevcairiel | not in the open world at least tho |
| 00:05.45 | netameta | I guess i will just have to build for it |
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| 00:43.44 | netameta | Is there an easy way to add tabs ? |
| 01:14.39 | netameta | Whats normal whisper message size ? |
| 01:14.43 | netameta | letter wise |
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| 03:16.42 | netameta | Hmm Frame:Show() is the same as hidden="false" ? |
| 03:17.03 | netameta | Right now i have hidden="true" and i am trying to show/hide the frame like a toggle |
| 03:17.29 | netameta | On that Show/Hide does nothing |
| 03:17.46 | netameta | However when i have hidden="false" the frame show fine |
| 03:31.59 | netameta | so frame:Show(), Hide(), SetOffset(), GetOffser().. and other frame related function just wont work |
| 03:56.39 | netameta | Well this is getting annoying |
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| 06:52.51 | Ennea | znf, you don't have enough faith in classic ;p |
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| 08:06.25 | bluspacecow | classic name reservation time and I have yet to pick a server |
| 08:08.00 | Corrodias | i played on eltra'thalas, so i'm going to suggest you pick that, if it's an option, for no better reason than that i don't recall any other realm names. |
| 08:09.50 | bluspacecow | eeenie |
| 08:09.58 | bluspacecow | meanine.... minnie ... mo |
| 08:11.09 | Ennea | bluspacecow, na or eu? |
| 08:12.19 | bluspacecow | i'm in NZ so NA |
| 08:12.30 | bluspacecow | ohhhh I could go oceanic! |
| 08:12.32 | Mr_Rabies | you can make up to 3 characters now |
| 08:12.45 | Mr_Rabies | possibly per region? not sure |
| 08:13.08 | nevcairiel | NA and Oceanic are the same region tho |
| 08:13.28 | Mr_Rabies | wonder if they'll host the oceanic realms deep inside an electrcal storm for maximum latency just to recreate the classic experience for you guys |
| 08:13.32 | Corrodias | "up to 3"? vanilla let you have, like, 8 |
| 08:13.57 | Mr_Rabies | you can make up to 3 right now, Corrodias, up to 50 total at launch, 10 per realm |
| 08:14.11 | nevcairiel | 3 is only for name reservation yeah |
| 08:14.12 | Corrodias | ah |
| 08:37.04 | Ennea | supposedly, the oceanic servers are hosted in australia |
| 08:37.17 | Ennea | just a matter of where exactly i guess :) |
| 08:37.41 | nevcairiel | sydney i think |
| 08:42.45 | bluspacecow | yeah sydney |
| 08:43.07 | bluspacecow | went with Atiesh on the NA side and Remulos on the Oceanic side |
| 08:46.08 | bluspacecow | heh. midly interesting. I seem to be able to ping the IP address for Remulos while I am connected to it |
| 08:47.40 | Ennea | what's interesting about that? |
| 08:47.46 | Ennea | does it only work while you're connected to it? |
| 08:48.11 | Ennea | if it does, i guess it makes sense it would reject your icmp packets when you're not |
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| 08:57.50 | mitch0 | yo. quick check: the second part of the condition doesn't make sense, right? |
| 08:57.52 | mitch0 | if LibDualSpec and not LibDualSpec == nil then |
| 08:58.30 | nebula | nope, that doesn't make much sense |
| 09:01.17 | mitch0 | ok, so, I still think LibDualSpec will just error out on load. how is that handled? I guess the whole addon fails to load, right? (LibDualSpec is loaded from my .toc) |
| 09:01.42 | mitch0 | (can't test stuff now...) |
| 09:05.40 | mitch0 | ah, seems LDS is already fixed for classic |
| 09:07.14 | nevcairiel | well, "fixed", i just made it bail out |
| 09:07.22 | mitch0 | yeah |
| 09:07.25 | mitch0 | that's enough |
| 09:07.34 | mitch0 | anything funny happened to the svn repos? |
| 09:07.41 | mitch0 | can't seem to commit |
| 09:07.49 | mitch0 | not sure if it's a password issue or something else... |
| 09:07.59 | mitch0 | dunno what happened after the twitch merge |
| 09:08.39 | nevcairiel | the urls changed a while ago if you're still on the old ones, and if your password doesnt work the make an API key on the website and use that for a password |
| 09:09.02 | mitch0 | on wowace or on curse? |
| 09:10.20 | mitch0 | seems my username changed or something... |
| 09:10.56 | Ennea | i'm brainfreezing hard right now. what's libdualspec's purpose? |
| 09:11.03 | Ennea | i'm having difficulty understanding it |
| 09:11.23 | nevcairiel | automatically switching an addons settings when you switch your spec |
| 09:11.29 | mitch0 | changing profile (configuration) based on spec |
| 09:11.33 | Ennea | spec.. |
| 09:11.35 | nevcairiel | doesnt make sense on classic : p |
| 09:11.37 | Ennea | ohhh |
| 09:11.42 | Ennea | i haven't played retail since wotlk |
| 09:11.51 | Ennea | so you can have multiple specs and just switch on the fly? |
| 09:11.56 | mitch0 | erm, how do I create an api key? |
| 09:11.59 | Ennea | interesting |
| 09:12.04 | nevcairiel | dualspec must've existed in wotlk already |
| 09:12.12 | nevcairiel | i think it came in BC? |
| 09:12.30 | Ennea | really? |
| 09:12.31 | nevcairiel | oh no in 3.1 |
| 09:12.44 | mitch0 | ah, found it |
| 09:12.45 | Ennea | it's either been too long or i haven't paid any attention |
| 09:12.50 | mitch0 | I think... |
| 09:12.51 | Ennea | i never even made it to level 70 tbh, lol |
| 09:12.58 | nevcairiel | originally dualspec allowed you to simply have two sets of talents and you could switch between them |
| 09:13.04 | Ennea | i just fucked around exploring or working on some of my shitty addons |
| 09:13.42 | nevcairiel | these days you can switch between all your 3 specs (or 4 if you're a druid) |
| 09:15.04 | nevcairiel | (or 2 if you're a demon hunter :D) |
| 09:15.17 | Ennea | hm |
| 09:15.18 | Ennea | oh well |
| 09:15.23 | Ennea | won't be relevant to me ^^ |
| 09:15.37 | bluspacecow | @Ennea traditionally the wow realm servers don't answer to ICMP/Traceroute pings |
| 09:15.52 | bluspacecow | as a security meaure |
| 09:16.04 | Ennea | bluspacecow, they don't? i was kinda expecting them to just use icmp for the ingame latency display as well |
| 09:16.15 | Ennea | which is why in my head it made sense they would reject them when you aren't connected to them |
| 09:16.28 | nevcairiel | personally i've never really used the functionality of LibDualSpec, i setup my addons in such a way that they are the same not only for every spec, but also for every other character as good as I can get that to work, so I don't have to re-learn my own interface and not update several profiles when I change something :D |
| 09:16.52 | nevcairiel | ingame latency is probably just measured through t he game protocol, not with any explicit ping commands |
| 09:17.09 | Alram | you can go "WORLD OF WARCRAFT - CLIENT TO SERVER" on 3724 i think and you'll get "WORLD OF WARCRAFT - SERVER TO CLIENT" or something like that |
| 09:17.15 | Ennea | good point, i guess it doesn't make sense to add icmp packets on top of the existing communication |
| 09:17.17 | Alram | i don't remember the exact message |
| 09:17.49 | Ennea | networking shenanigans. i'm not good at that stuff anyway |
| 09:18.01 | Ennea | i wonder how much the architecture has changed over the years |
| 09:18.07 | nevcairiel | a lot, i'm sure |
| 09:18.14 | Ennea | the servers just accepting any movement packets you'd send them after release was certainly fun :) |
| 09:18.26 | Ennea | not that i'd know, i didn't make use of that or anything *cough* |
| 09:18.44 | nevcairiel | i wonder if they got rid of the optimized game loop again so the game feels more laggy for classic =p |
| 09:18.45 | Alram | yeah they definitely don't do that anymore |
| 09:18.57 | Ennea | i doubt it, nev :p |
| 09:19.00 | Alram | even worse they DC you for legitimate movement packets too sometimes when going up against walls |
| 09:19.01 | Alram | so thats fun |
| 09:19.34 | Ennea | hm |
| 09:19.52 | Ennea | maybe my mind is fucking with me, but i remember something similar back in the day when they attempted to fix wallwalking/walljumping |
| 09:19.57 | Ennea | something overly aggressive |
| 09:20.05 | Alram | yeah that'd be about when that started happening |
| 09:20.06 | nevcairiel | those server improvements for a more reactive processing arent even that old, was it legion maybe? |
| 09:20.35 | Ennea | and those erroneous disconnects are still there? ._. |
| 09:20.41 | Ennea | i mean, it's been a decade at least |
| 09:20.51 | Alram | in a lesser fashion but still there yeah |
| 09:20.54 | Ennea | geez |
| 09:20.57 | nevcairiel | that doesnt really happen unless you try to wall walk or stuff like that |
| 09:21.04 | Ennea | they should've just left walljumping in |
| 09:21.06 | Ennea | it was fun! |
| 09:30.54 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: how do I tell pkgmeta to grab the latest commit, not a tag? |
| 09:31.00 | mitch0 | just remove the tag: latest line? |
| 09:31.10 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: or: would you mind tagging LibDualSpec? L( |
| 09:31.13 | mitch0 | :) |
| 09:31.35 | nevcairiel | only specify the url and nothing else |
| 09:33.26 | nevcairiel | but i pushed a tag anyway |
| 09:33.30 | mitch0 | thanks ;) |
| 09:33.45 | mitch0 | I'll revert my thingy then |
| 09:36.23 | mitch0 | nevcairiel: that 1.91 tag in there is a bit strange ;) |
| 09:36.48 | mitch0 | will the packager figure out which is the real latest tag? |
| 09:36.49 | nevcairiel | its not my project :p |
| 09:37.00 | nevcairiel | blame funky for that silly tag |
| 09:38.29 | nevcairiel | but it should be fine |
| 09:38.31 | nevcairiel | i think? |
| 09:38.44 | mitch0 | seems to be ok |
| 09:39.12 | mitch0 | do the alpha builds pick up the tag specified in .pkgmeta too, or only release builds do? |
| 09:39.22 | nevcairiel | all builds obey the pkgmeta |
| 09:39.52 | mitch0 | ok, then it's OK |
| 09:49.02 | nebula | jeez, i thought that repo was moved to github |
| 09:49.18 | nebula | oh, i guess i just push to both |
| 09:49.21 | nevcairiel | moving libraries is a nono |
| 09:49.22 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 09:49.48 | nevcairiel | and then pull my fix and push it to your github repo :p |
| 09:49.55 | nebula | yea, ijust did |
| 09:53.21 | mitch0 | dammit, svn is a pain |
| 09:55.27 | nevcairiel | convert your addon to git :D |
| 09:57.12 | mitch0 | probably should do, although I touch them only once a year or so... |
| 09:57.24 | mitch0 | besides, can't do that with libs, right? |
| 09:57.44 | nevcairiel | not really, anyone that references it in pkgmeta would have it break then |
| 09:58.02 | mitch0 | I might convert the others though... |
| 09:58.22 | nevcairiel | luckily i did that years ago |
| 09:58.51 | nevcairiel | that said for addons that i just fix once a year or so, it also really doesnt bother me much |
| 09:59.50 | mitch0 | yes, but it's still a painn ;) svn log going to the repo is not funny... |
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| 10:17.57 | mitch0 | was WotLK the first non-classic version? |
| 10:18.04 | nevcairiel | what does that mean |
| 10:18.19 | mitch0 | trying to find the latest version of my lib that's "classic" :() |
| 10:18.44 | nevcairiel | the new classic from a UI perspective is really 8.x |
| 10:18.50 | mitch0 | to restore the spells and items I used there to restore accuracy |
| 10:19.46 | nevcairiel | it went classic/vanilla -> BC -> WotLK |
| 10:20.09 | mitch0 | oh, ok. proably not much changed in BC then |
| 10:20.54 | mitch0 | or I started development in BC already... |
| 10:21.37 | nevcairiel | doesnt your svn history have stuff in it :D |
| 10:21.50 | mitch0 | yep, first commit is from 2008-09 and BC came out in 2017 apparently |
| 10:21.53 | nevcairiel | BC came out january 2007 |
| 10:22.31 | mitch0 | actually, I had an addon before this and LibRangeCheck was split out of that one |
| 10:22.47 | mitch0 | but I probably don't even have the sources for that |
| 10:22.57 | nevcairiel | code archaeology |
| 10:23.23 | mitch0 | anyway, I'll have to wait till I get home to test on classic if old spess / items improve things or not |
| 10:23.36 | nevcairiel | classic is down until release =p |
| 10:23.42 | mitch0 | oh |
| 10:23.50 | mitch0 | and when is that? |
| 10:23.57 | nebula | 27th |
| 10:23.59 | nevcairiel | for reasons unknown, they really dont want addons to be developed |
| 10:24.04 | mitch0 | (last week it let me download classic) |
| 10:24.12 | nevcairiel | you can still download it |
| 10:24.15 | nevcairiel | you just ca nt login |
| 10:24.19 | mitch0 | ah |
| 10:24.25 | nebula | they need to strip out more shit first! |
| 10:24.39 | mitch0 | was funny as after download I got an SMS from blizzard that my account is frozen now... |
| 10:24.40 | nevcairiel | you can get to the character list and reserve names for you tho |
| 10:25.25 | mitch0 | so all the issues that came out so far was from that "stress-test" thing? |
| 10:25.37 | nevcairiel | mostly |
| 10:25.46 | nevcairiel | there was a closed beta that ended like a months ago or so |
| 10:25.51 | nevcairiel | but very few people were actually in it |
| 10:25.57 | nevcairiel | since they failed at inviting authors |
| 10:26.08 | mitch0 | :) |
| 10:26.14 | mitch0 | they just hate addons I guess |
| 10:26.15 | mitch0 | :) |
| 10:26.16 | nevcairiel | apparently it was "full" (despite being entirely deserted) |
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| 11:23.32 | bluspacecow | http://interestingmedia.co.uk/space-helmet-for-a-cow |
| 11:23.34 | bluspacecow | lol |
| 11:23.52 | bluspacecow | maybe my classic name should be spacehelmetcow |
| 11:38.28 | Ennea | too long by 2 chars |
| 11:47.33 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 12:37.21 | netameta | No matter what i do so far, in my lua when i do something like frame:Show()/Hide() it doesnt change anything |
| 12:38.05 | netameta | Frame:SetOffset()/GetOffset cause an error |
| 12:38.25 | netameta | been trying to fix this for like 6 hours yesterday |
| 12:38.33 | netameta | And i only have 1 simple frame |
| 12:40.32 | netameta | https://pastebin.com/58PkAy7R - is my XML |
| 12:41.52 | netameta | https://pastebin.com/nsYiyQPi is my main lua file |
| 12:43.59 | netameta | Any help would be great |
| 12:47.25 | nevcairiel | you are creating two frames with the s ame name, once from Lua and once from XML, that doesn't seem like something you want to do |
| 12:52.09 | nevcairiel | you probably just want to replace the first line in the Lua file with a simple table creation, instead of a frame creation |
| 12:52.42 | nevcairiel | or just write EasyRecruiting = ERMainFrame |
| 12:58.16 | netameta | nevcairiel, checking |
| 12:58.25 | netameta | Ah snap |
| 12:58.38 | netameta | FML |
| 12:58.51 | netameta | so many hours on such a ting |
| 13:00.27 | netameta | And i would have spent alot more hours without your hawkeyes |
| 13:02.16 | foxlit | the xml frame's onload calls a method declared by the lua file; if xml loads first this should error, and if lua loads first nev's assignment suggestion wouldn't work |
| 13:03.24 | foxlit | (replacing with an empty table is also awkward as some of the declared methods assume self is a frame) |
| 13:04.03 | Ennea | i guess this is a good chance to ask you guys: what do you think about ditching xml entirely and just do everything in lua? |
| 13:04.08 | Ennea | because that's what i typically do |
| 13:04.12 | netameta | foxlit, the XML does not load first |
| 13:04.16 | Ennea | not much of an xml fan i must admit |
| 13:04.17 | netameta | the xml loads last |
| 13:04.31 | foxlit | you can do anything you want, Ennea. |
| 13:04.57 | Ennea | i'm aware ;D |
| 13:05.06 | Ennea | i'm just curious what other people's thoughts are on the topic |
| 13:05.15 | netameta | foxlit, i think i will change to a table like he advised but will also change all the selfs to that frame |
| 13:08.17 | foxlit | I think you should be seeing actual in-game errors; if you aren't, it's maybe worth turning those on and reading them. |
| 13:09.14 | foxlit | (then again, the default error handler is a bit weird for errors during the initial log-in load) |
| 13:09.36 | netameta | foxlit, i dont see any ingame errors |
| 13:09.40 | netameta | how do i turn them on ? |
| 13:10.02 | Ennea | /console scriptErrors 1 |
| 13:10.20 | netameta | and thats will stick or every login ? |
| 13:10.25 | Ennea | should be sticky |
| 13:10.31 | Ennea | i've only ever turned that on once |
| 13:10.54 | netameta | Thanks |
| 13:11.20 | netameta | So far i had to guess error and work extremely slow due to that |
| 13:11.29 | Ennea | ah |
| 13:11.38 | Ennea | you should've enabled errors first, i suppose ;D |
| 13:12.48 | netameta | Didnt know it was possible :-) |
| 13:14.49 | Ennea | did you read any tutorials when you started writing your addon? |
| 13:15.50 | netameta | yessir when i wrote the first addon for classic |
| 13:15.57 | netameta | i mean for vanilla * |
| 13:16.28 | Ennea | for vanilla back in the day, or for the "new" classic? |
| 13:16.50 | Ennea | what i wanna get to is: if you read that tutorial recently and it didn't include anything about turning on errors |
| 13:16.55 | Ennea | let's try and see if we can add it |
| 13:17.49 | netameta | back in the day |
| 13:18.03 | netameta | Ah |
| 13:18.06 | netameta | well its now enabled |
| 13:18.15 | netameta | Thanks for the help |
| 13:19.39 | Ennea | sure~ |
| 13:19.53 | Ennea | and yea, back in the day errors were on by default if i recall correctly |
| 13:20.08 | Ennea | so it makes sense the tutorials back then didn't have anything about enabling them |
| 13:24.15 | foxlit | Ennea: i'm just curious what other people's thoughts are on the topic << it doesn't really matter which you choose, so pick whichever strategy makes you happier |
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| 13:26.19 | foxlit | there are minor things that you can't do without xml, but none are particularly interesting; you could always add some limited xml if you find out that you need to do so. |
| 13:28.02 | foxlit | UI/widget code is generally miserable regardless of what you do. |
| 13:28.52 | netameta | Where can i find updated version of the API ? i managed to get Show/Hide working, but GetOffset/SetOffset both throw a nil error |
| 13:28.53 | Ennea | i think everybody can agree with that last part :D |
| 13:29.13 | Ennea | netameta, https://wow.gamepedia.com/World_of_Warcraft_API https://wow.gamepedia.com/Widget_API |
| 13:29.15 | netameta | when i do type(frame.GetOffset) it returns function |
| 13:29.18 | netameta | so darn weird |
| 13:29.42 | Ennea | GetOffset seems oddly specific |
| 13:29.45 | Ennea | what are you trying to do? |
| 13:30.18 | netameta | DnD on a frame |
| 13:30.35 | netameta | So on DragEnd get current position, save it |
| 13:30.49 | netameta | on login position the frame according to the saved offset |
| 13:31.42 | Ennea | positions of frames/textures/anything really in wow ui programming is done via points, relative to other frames/regions |
| 13:31.52 | Ennea | check SetPoint(), ClearAllPoints() and GetPoint() functions |
| 13:33.05 | foxlit | GetRect() is what you actually want. |
| 13:33.15 | Ennea | :D |
| 13:33.21 | Ennea | there's a joke in there somewhere, i'm sure |
| 13:33.52 | Ennea | oh, there's GetNumPoints() as well. forgot about that. but yea, GetRect() seems like a good choice for your specific problem |
| 13:38.42 | netameta | thanks |
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| 13:52.19 | Stanzilla | . |
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| 13:52.57 | Stanzilla | . |
| 13:54.29 | netameta | failed because[SetPoint would result in anchor family connection]: attempted from: ERMainFrame:SetPoint. |
| 13:54.43 | netameta | Anyone familar with that ? |
| 13:55.18 | netameta | Actually i think i got it ! |
| 13:56.00 | netameta | Yaps |
| 14:09.19 | netameta | Strange things are happening here |
| 14:12.56 | netameta | FML, drag and drop automatically save's position its seem |
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| 14:51.39 | netameta | https://wow.gamepedia.com/API_Frame_SetBackdrop - i dont assume you can control each border 's size individually ? |
| 15:25.00 | Chipzz | netameta: check https://web.archive.org/web/20180112030938/http://wowprogramming.com/docs/widgets/Frame/SetUserPlaced ; that is what you *really* want instead of the above suggestions |
| 15:26.17 | netameta | i think i have this enabled anyway on that frame somehow Chipzz |
| 15:26.35 | Chipzz | well it takes a boolean |
| 15:26.40 | Chipzz | so you could also set it to false |
| 15:27.23 | netameta | Its so funny i've spent 8h or so on trying to do something that the game does automatically - funskies ! |
| 15:27.45 | Chipzz | netameta: also; don't use the <Abs*> tags. for example, instead of <Size><AbsDimension x="500" y="300"/></Szie>, use <Size x="500" y="300"/> |
| 15:27.46 | netameta | TRYING |
| 15:27.49 | Chipzz | much shorter |
| 15:27.57 | netameta | Ah |
| 15:28.02 | netameta | AbS is bad ? |
| 15:28.21 | Chipzz | I wouldn't say bad; I would say unneededly verbose |
| 15:28.37 | netameta | Ah alrighty, will change that |
| 15:28.47 | Chipzz | there's also <Rel*> tags that I've never ever seen used; most likely a relic that's not used anymore |
| 15:29.09 | Chipzz | also, wrt Anchor tags: |
| 15:29.30 | Chipzz | <Anchor x="123" y="123" /> also works |
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| 15:30.16 | Chipzz | what you wrote isn't incorrect, but it's very verbose and makes your XML harder to read than it needs to be IMO |
| 15:30.53 | netameta | i copied my old LFG addon |
| 15:31.07 | netameta | and just modified |
| 15:31.19 | netameta | and its a very old addon so .. |
| 15:31.48 | Chipzz | sure :) it's a matter of taste I guess too |
| 15:32.03 | netameta | I face i just recently git hubbed it |
| 15:32.24 | netameta | Chipzz, i am all for readablity too |
| 15:33.07 | netameta | i would prefer your suggestion as well, i assume they just werent an option back then (i might be mistaken) |
| 15:33.29 | Chipzz | or you copied a bad example :) |
| 15:33.51 | Chipzz | even the Blizzard FrameXML code still has them in places |
| 15:34.03 | netameta | Could be |
| 15:34.45 | netameta | Right now i am working on scrollFrame, and then scrollChatFrame |
| 15:34.54 | netameta | ScrollingMessageFrame* |
| 15:35.09 | Chipzz | also, http://chipzz.safehex.be/api.svg is an svg I created that might come in handy; it has links to wowprogramming.com for easy rference |
| 15:36.07 | Chipzz | (that one is a compacter subset; full widget hierarchy is at http://chipzz.safehex.be/api.full.svg ) |
| 15:36.16 | netameta | I've done ScrollFrame before, never ScrollingMessageFrame |
| 15:36.34 | Chipzz | ScrollingMessageFrame is an intrinsic these days |
| 15:37.54 | netameta | Will read about it when i am done with scrollFrame |
| 15:39.08 | Chipzz | https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/master/Interface/SharedXML/ScrollingMessageFrame.xml and https://github.com/tomrus88/BlizzardInterfaceCode/blob/master/Interface/SharedXML/ScrollingMessageFrame.lua |
| 15:39.33 | netameta | I wonder if blizzard would have an issue with LFG addon, - would require some work to bring it to 8.2 but might be interesting |
| 15:42.25 | Chipzz | netameta: also, do you know about mixins? |
| 15:42.40 | netameta | Chipzz, Nope |
| 15:42.52 | netameta | are they they same as other languages ? |
| 15:43.04 | Chipzz | take a look at the xml file I linked above |
| 15:43.10 | Chipzz | kinda but not really |
| 15:43.19 | netameta | Will do in a minute |
| 15:43.52 | Chipzz | ScrollingMessageFrame uses secureMixin instead of mixin but the principle is the same |
| 15:44.12 | Chipzz | secureMixin is just for Blizzard code and protection but it serves the same purpose as mixin otherwise |
| 15:45.00 | Chipzz | mixins essentially allow you to add lua methods (and other stuff although I've only seen it used for lua methods ever) to your objects |
| 15:45.18 | Chipzz | you can then use those methods in your <On*> script handlers |
| 15:46.33 | Chipzz | or in other places |
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| 16:39.06 | Mr_Rabies | it's like "alright i guess i can drive from a couch" |
| 16:39.12 | znf | uhm... |
| 16:39.42 | znf | It's alright, I guess I can have my insides rearranged when someone T-Bones me |
| 16:40.03 | Ennea | well, znf, you're lucky. you can't injure or kill yourself with WoW ;D |
| 16:40.06 | Mr_Rabies | that's why they made them out of like a billion pounds of steel |
| 16:40.21 | Ennea | nah, znf has a very good point. old cars are incredibly unsafe to drive |
| 16:40.35 | Ennea | if you ever do crash in one, the chance to get injured or killed is a hell of a lot higher than in any modern car |
| 16:40.39 | znf | Mr_Rabies, I'll take "What are crumple zones" for 500 |
| 16:40.43 | Ennea | :D |
| 16:40.54 | Mr_Rabies | i'm not disagreeing, i'm just saying some of the safety features do make cars less comfortable |
| 16:40.55 | Ennea | i mean, old cars had crumple zones. they just weren't nearly as good as those of today's cars |
| 16:41.02 | Mr_Rabies | like seats are designed to immobilize you in an accident |
| 16:41.05 | Ennea | i'll gladly take safety over comfort |
| 16:41.08 | Ennea | _in cars_ |
| 16:41.17 | Ennea | which is why comparing WoW to cars makes no sense |
| 16:41.19 | znf | And people are like "look at that old car, it stayed almost intact in that crash, while the other one is like it was made o tin" |
| 16:41.22 | Ennea | i'll take classic over retail any day |
| 16:41.46 | Mr_Rabies | the crumple zone in a lot of older cars was the driver |
| 16:42.55 | Mr_Rabies | everything else was made so strongly that the only thing left to give was the bag o' bones inside |
| 16:44.47 | znf | Ennea, "quality of life" |
| 16:44.55 | Mr_Rabies | modern cars are basically designed to sacrifice themselves in the case of any collision stronger than a fender bender |
| 16:45.18 | Ennea | the lack of talent trees and the existence of group and raid finders is _not_ quality of life |
| 16:45.35 | Ennea | granted, the latter is arguable.. |
| 16:45.48 | Mr_Rabies | i do think while i like the way the new talent trees work, something like the old ones as a background system would be nice |
| 16:46.00 | znf | Because it was so engaging to put 3 points into 1% crit, wasn't it? |
| 16:46.06 | Mr_Rabies | essentially like the artifact traits from legion, but long-term, game wide, etc |
| 16:46.18 | znf | Or 3/3 wand specialization for priests! |
| 16:46.25 | Ennea | damn right |
| 16:46.50 | Mr_Rabies | something where eventually you can put all your points in everything, but you can choose what you get as you level up |
| 16:47.08 | Mr_Rabies | would at least make leveling feel worth -something- |
| 16:47.32 | Mr_Rabies | right now there's really not much reason to just have everyone locked at 120 from the creation of their character |
| 16:47.41 | Mr_Rabies | er |
| 16:48.02 | Mr_Rabies | right now you might as well just have everyone locked at 120 from the creation of their character |
| 16:48.13 | Mr_Rabies | would actually feel better than it does right now |
| 16:48.32 | znf | while I'm not really a big fan of how the system works these days, I prefer it to the older one |
| 16:48.39 | Mr_Rabies | leveling makes you considerably weaker especially once you hit legion |
| 16:48.39 | znf | In some cases it changes the way you play |
| 16:49.10 | znf | again, not saying it's perfect, it's just better than what it used to be |
| 16:49.20 | znf | With the old talent tree... I respecced... uhm, twice? |
| 16:50.07 | Ennea | to each their own, i guess |
| 16:50.09 | znf | Because for my spec there was no way to experiment with anything. You had one build. That was it. |
| 16:50.11 | Mr_Rabies | i'm personally just saying "why not both" lol |
| 16:50.30 | Mr_Rabies | basically artifact system that starts at level 20 or whatever, get one point every level or x levels |
| 16:50.44 | znf | People were complaining that their respec cost was 50g |
| 16:50.46 | Mr_Rabies | eventually fill the whole thing up, they add more each expansion |
| 16:50.54 | znf | And I was still at something like 5g or less |
| 16:51.16 | Mr_Rabies | could even work in the current leveling stuff where like |
| 16:51.17 | znf | What you're saying is just a fake, meaningless progression path |
| 16:51.21 | znf | You get there eventually. |
| 16:51.39 | Mr_Rabies | monk abilities start costing less chi at x level, etc that sorta stuff |
| 16:51.50 | Mr_Rabies | instead of just randomly getting it and not noticing, make it a trait instead |
| 16:51.51 | znf | And it caused grief to people who picked the wrong things |
| 16:53.12 | znf | I mean, back in legion I picked the "wrong" path towards a few things, and I was annoyed by it |
| 16:53.21 | znf | I eventually did get everything, but a bit later than everyone else |
| 16:53.31 | znf | And I didn't want to eat the cost of respec back then, because it was a whole level |
| 16:53.35 | Mr_Rabies | i did, but i respecced early on |
| 16:53.54 | Ennea | znf, so you just want more or less instant gratification no matter what you do? |
| 16:54.18 | Mr_Rabies | i'm just saying the legion system was basically the old talent system so both can work in tandem |
| 16:54.44 | znf | Ennea, what exactly makes you think that? |
| 16:54.47 | Mr_Rabies | put the less interesting stuff on that system, make sure all the actual talents are interesting/powerful/actually a choice |
| 16:55.10 | Ennea | you saying you were annoyed by picking the "wrong" things |
| 16:56.07 | znf | and how does that relate to "instant gratification"? |
| 16:56.27 | Ennea | it just made it seem like you'd much rather always get the stuff that's not wrong |
| 16:56.37 | Ennea | basically removing the ability to fail or pick something that's not ideal |
| 16:57.03 | znf | being able to pick something that is "wrong" is a bad game mechanic |
| 16:57.30 | Ennea | well, wrong is a thing of definition |
| 16:57.49 | Ennea | i dare say that no talent in vanilla's talent trees is useless |
| 16:58.01 | Ennea | some are just not as good as others, depending on what you're going for |
| 16:58.03 | Meorawr | Could you really notice a measurable difference between someone that took a "wrong" Legion artifact trait path and a "right" one? |
| 16:58.10 | Meorawr | Surely player skill and gear would mask that up entirely. |
| 16:58.19 | znf | Meorawr, less damage |
| 16:58.25 | znf | nah, here's an example |
| 16:58.30 | Ennea | there are quite viable builds for mages, for example. pardon me, i mostly played mage, so i can mostly just talk about the mage |
| 16:58.34 | Vardex | Some traits were really good |
| 16:58.36 | Ennea | but i have quite a few fun builds |
| 16:58.41 | Ennea | none of which are minmaxed |
| 16:58.52 | Ennea | but they don't need to be. they're still viable. minmaxing is pretty boring, in any case |
| 16:59.11 | znf | I picked the wrong path because I wanted more survivability out in the world, but doing that took me longer to get the insane Shadow Priest trait that gave you +% damage increased for every stack of Voidform |
| 16:59.41 | Meorawr | There's nothing wrong with that choice. |
| 16:59.55 | znf | uhmm, it was about 30-40% DPS of Shadow back then |
| 17:00.11 | znf | (in a raid environment) |
| 17:00.26 | Meorawr | You made a decision that was convenient for your playstyle and survivability issues at the time |
| 17:00.29 | znf | meanwhile, the talents I went for were just helping me survive out in the world when I pulled a few too many mobs |
| 17:00.52 | Meorawr | Obviously it wasn't optimal for all scenarios, but is that really a problem? |
| 17:01.04 | znf | It was early on |
| 17:02.57 | Meorawr | I feel the problem in this particular case lies with the balancing of the trait you didn't pick up, not the fact that you had a choice on the way to getting it |
| 17:03.54 | znf | Nothing's perfectly balanced, which is an inherent flaw of these systems |
| 17:06.53 | Meorawr | Is it a "flaw" that on the character selection screen I can pick a class that doesn't do the most damage? |
| 17:07.02 | Meorawr | or character creation, rather |
| 17:07.28 | Meorawr | I mean, classes aren't "perfectly balanced" so is that system inherently flawed too? |
| 17:09.15 | znf | in classic? yeah, it is |
| 17:09.19 | znf | you have few viable damage specs |
| 17:09.23 | znf | and, like, what? one tank? |
| 17:12.52 | Ennea | would you rather only have one class per role? ;p |
| 17:13.03 | Mr_Rabies | things certainly got better for all classes by the time 1.12 came out, but a lot of that was just better itemization |
| 17:14.08 | znf | Ennea, no, I would rather have decently balanced classes and properly defined roles |
| 17:14.13 | Mr_Rabies | which means a lot of classes will be bad until BWL unlocks, or ZG/AQ, or not until the final tier |
| 17:14.16 | znf | Not "you buff everyone every 5 minutes" |
| 17:15.42 | Mr_Rabies | paladin in classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7HmltUWXgs |
| 17:33.37 | Chipzz | 19:09 < znf> you have few viable damage specs >> but that wasn't entirely due to class design, but ib part because of the 40 debuffs limit |
| 17:33.53 | Chipzz | which made dot classes unviable (in raids) |
| 17:34.30 | Chipzz | I still think the debuff limit should have been fixed in Classic |
| 17:37.41 | Chipzz | people who think that limit should stay IMO are elitist who are bent on keeping other specs/classes out of raids, not a very positive attitude IMO |
| 17:39.05 | Meorawr | Debuff limit was 8 (then 16) in Vanilla, 40 was TBC |
| 17:39.14 | Chipzz | ah my bad |
| 17:39.17 | Chipzz | still |
| 17:39.24 | Meorawr | Yeah, it's even worse :p |
| 17:40.01 | Chipzz | the only part of your experience that would be different is raid compo. Leveling, dungeons, basically everything else would have been unaffected |
| 17:40.42 | Chipzz | but the #nochanges crowd is just a very vocal (and harmfull) minority IMO |
| 17:41.15 | Chipzz | imagine actually having fun in a raid because you could play the spec you wanted *gasp* |
| 17:41.55 | Chipzz | instead of being cornered into a role like healing because your DPS spec wasn't viable |
| 17:42.22 | Ennea | i would welcome some changes to classic. heck, it would be awesome if, after all the phases are through, blizz would keep it going and develop content for it. stuff that doesn't end up in burning crusade |
| 17:42.26 | Ennea | but that's probably not gonna happen ;D |
| 17:42.53 | Chipzz | actually that is the part of the #nochanges crowd I *can* get behind |
| 17:43.06 | Chipzz | extra content for classic? fuck no |
| 17:43.15 | Ennea | heh |
| 17:43.31 | Chipzz | you want to fork the lore and create 2 timelines? |
| 17:43.50 | netameta | is getglobal still a thing ? |
| 17:43.58 | Ennea | that's the reason it's not gonna happen, but yea, i wouldn't mind it, Chipzz |
| 17:44.22 | Chipzz | probably better for there to be TBC servers in the long run |
| 17:44.52 | netameta | Chipzz, they already said they will follow up with TBC and wrath servers |
| 17:44.58 | Ennea | i could also see that happening. and wouldn't mind i guess |
| 17:45.06 | Chipzz | netameta: they did? quote pls |
| 17:45.18 | Ennea | but i wonder what else classic could've become when taken into a different direction |
| 17:45.23 | Chipzz | because I don't think that's actually true |
| 17:45.27 | Ennea | i know, just wishful thinking and an unhealthy amount of curiosity |
| 17:45.59 | netameta | but I also agree with ennea, classic will make alot of waves and i think (just an opinion) that blizzard might make additional content or at least adopt some of classic to live |
| 17:46.16 | Ennea | i think the chance of that happening is actually comically low |
| 17:46.19 | netameta | I will search for the quote or where i read it |
| 17:46.20 | Chipzz | Ennea: have you considered that forking the lore would be harmfull to the current version of the game? |
| 17:46.21 | Ennea | but hey, i can dream |
| 17:46.32 | Ennea | Chipzz, yup |
| 17:47.02 | netameta | Is getglobal to fetch dynamic frame names a thing ? |
| 17:47.22 | Chipzz | netameta: most people use _G |
| 17:47.36 | netameta | so _G(.....) ? |
| 17:47.41 | Chipzz | (if at all, because that's not needed in a lot of places either) |
| 17:47.47 | Chipzz | no, _G[...] |
| 17:47.52 | Chipzz | _G is a table |
| 17:47.54 | netameta | Ah |
| 17:47.58 | netameta | alrighty |
| 17:48.01 | netameta | thanks will try |
| 17:48.27 | Chipzz | but globals should normally just be accsible by using them normally |
| 17:48.34 | Chipzz | except maybe in setfenv situations |
| 17:48.46 | Chipzz | which you probably shouldn't have |
| 17:49.31 | Chipzz | netameta: unless you override a global var with "local var", _G shouldn't be necessary |
| 17:49.53 | netameta | its for scrollFrame item's buttons |
| 17:49.59 | Chipzz | only reason for _G might be if you need to compose the name of the var out of pieces, like _G["foo"..var] |
| 17:50.16 | Chipzz | but you really should be using parentKey instead |
| 17:50.30 | Chipzz | BBL |
| 17:50.44 | netameta | _G["buttonA"..i.."delete"] |
| 17:50.57 | netameta | not sure what BBL stands for |
| 17:51.22 | Ennea | be back later |
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| 18:48.25 | netameta | I have created a Button template. to use in scrollFrame, the OnLoad for the button cries when i use this:registerForClicks |
| 18:48.46 | netameta | and onClick itself doesnt know what "this" is or what arg1 is |
| 18:50.39 | Ennea | you're looking at outdated info |
| 18:50.52 | Ennea | the event handler function receives arguments, and you can name them yourself |
| 18:50.53 | netameta | What you mean ? |
| 18:50.59 | Ennea | the first is "this", but it's typically called "self" nowadays |
| 18:51.28 | Ennea | instead of x:SetScript('OnClick', function() this:DoSomething(arg1) end) |
| 18:51.44 | Ennea | you do x:SetScript('OnClick', function(self, firstArgument) self:DoSomething(firstArgument) end) |
| 18:52.05 | Ennea | a little difficult to explain. basically, back in vanilla, this, arg1, arg2 and so on were created in the global scope |
| 18:52.18 | Ennea | and set to the respective tables when these events fired |
| 18:52.24 | Ennea | but it's not like that anymore |
| 18:53.43 | netameta | I see |
| 18:53.52 | netameta | Well i am using the XML version but let me try |
| 18:54.29 | Ennea | i dunno how that works. never used it. i'm hoping it's the same/similar, though |
| 18:55.42 | netameta | hmm so i have to pass self myself to the function |
| 18:55.47 | netameta | very weird |
| 18:56.09 | Ennea | no, honestly, nothing about that is weird ;p |
| 18:56.11 | netameta | and then define it as the function param |
| 18:56.30 | Ennea | and you're not passing it yourself, since you're not calling the function yourself |
| 18:56.34 | Ennea | or.. you shouldn't |
| 18:56.50 | Ennea | or is that how it's supposed to work when defining those events in the xml? |
| 18:57.14 | netameta | https://pastebin.com/Pda09PmL |
| 18:57.53 | netameta | And this is the lua for it https://pastebin.com/bAfCa2dR |
| 19:32.00 | Ennea | well |
| 19:32.02 | Ennea | does it work? :D |
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| 20:33.03 | netameta | Yea it works |
| 20:48.17 | Chipzz | netameta: asyRecruiting.UserScrollFrames:onUserClick() |
| 20:48.21 | Chipzz | ugh |
| 20:48.26 | Chipzz | EasyRecruiting.UserScrollFrames:onUserClick() |
| 20:48.47 | netameta | So : make it pass self ? |
| 20:48.56 | Chipzz | yes |
| 20:48.58 | Chipzz | BUT |
| 20:49.16 | Chipzz | the self in your code is the widget that contains the <OnClick> |
| 20:49.37 | Chipzz | with : the self that's implicitely passed is EasyRecruiting.UserScrollFrames |
| 20:50.24 | netameta | so : would refer to the object's context |
| 20:50.36 | Chipzz | what "object"? |
| 20:50.36 | netameta | where as me passing refers to the widget frame |
| 20:50.47 | netameta | EasyRecruiting.UserScrollFrames |
| 20:50.57 | Chipzz | yes |
| 20:51.20 | netameta | EasyRecruiting.UserScrollFrames.fo = 15, with : self.fo > 15 |
| 20:51.49 | netameta | well i need the frame's reference not the object's |
| 20:52.05 | netameta | Well - table |
| 20:52.52 | netameta | Chipzz* |
| 21:29.00 | netameta | Another hour and a half spent trying to figure our how to use FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll |
| 21:29.20 | netameta | Tried everything except using the word offset |
| 21:29.21 | netameta | FauxScrollFrame_OnVerticalScroll(self, offset, 16, MyModScrollBar_Update); |
| 21:29.39 | netameta | I kept assuming it was some sort of a variable - it wasnt |
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| 22:14.01 | netameta | How can you make a frame moveable by its children ? while his children move too ? |
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| 23:12.33 | netameta | Chipzz, I am adding messages to scrollingMessageFrame, but none are displaying |
| 23:18.42 | MooreaTv | you should edit/correct the wiki if you found some doc issue btw ("offset" thingie) |
| 23:24.51 | netameta | MooreaTv, Its not an issue |
| 23:25.03 | netameta | i was just too stupid to figure the offset was just a constant |
| 23:25.58 | MooreaTv | do you mean a literal number or you mean a string constant "offset" ? |
| 23:26.01 | nebula | not a constant, it's script handler param |
| 23:26.23 | MooreaTv | oh a function then |
| 23:26.28 | netameta | Well whatever it is, its not defined by me |
| 23:26.34 | nebula | he's using xml, so it appears magically |
| 23:26.49 | netameta | it doesnt appear magically |
| 23:26.59 | netameta | its just not something i have to define |
| 23:27.52 | nebula | i was being glib, you don't see the args in xml so it's basically magic |
| 23:27.57 | netameta | So script handler param, constant, function whatever you want to call it, still isnt just a variable i have to supply |
| 23:29.32 | netameta | ScrollingMessageFrame has very little documentation anywhere |
| 23:29.40 | MooreaTv | none of theses things are the same ;-) |
| 23:30.06 | netameta | they all have a common denominator - me not needing to define them |
| 23:30.14 | MooreaTv | well nothing has much documentation anywhere, welcome wow dev |
| 23:30.24 | netameta | MooreaTv, :-) |
| 23:30.56 | netameta | Weird that the game exist like gazillions of years and blizzard didnt take care of that |
| 23:33.29 | MooreaTv | one issue is it changes fairly often and I suppose it hasn't been a priority given people are able to produce working addons without it (and collaboratively documenting stuff as they find it) |
| 23:35.44 | Meorawr | That and arguably a decent portion of the API is self-documenting when you consider we have the ability to export the UI code |
| 23:40.20 | netameta | whats the equivalent of SetFontObject ? |
| 23:40.51 | *** join/#wowuidev batrick (batrick@nmap/developer/batrick) |
| 23:41.20 | netameta | in XML i mean |
| 23:45.49 | MooreaTv | tsquare- any chance to get me in the just reopened beta, I have addons I write that would be cool to continue testing/couldn't finish all with just the stress tests - tia :) |
| 23:46.44 | nebula | stop being annoying |
| 23:49.51 | netameta | Well i used lue to create the fram and it display the messages, but no scroller |
