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| 08:04.54 | Mr_Rabies | my guild just had like 5 people gquit and/or pick a fight to get gkicked right before our likely first mythic sivara kill which would make us either #1 or #2 on the server depending on timing |
| 08:04.56 | Mr_Rabies | https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/442/861/47d.jpeg |
| 08:06.46 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard's design is putting a lot of stress on players and guilds i think :( |
| 08:07.16 | Mr_Rabies | it certainly wasn't only that but we've had a weird issue this and towards the end of last tier where we sorta just collected too many healers |
| 08:07.36 | nevcairiel | sounsd like systemic management failure in your guild |
| 08:08.15 | Mr_Rabies | we've been encouraging our healers to learn a dps spec so we don't have to bench anyone, and some of our more "hardcore" raiders have been really making a big stink about too many healers and we need to start kicking people if we want to progress |
| 08:08.57 | Mr_Rabies | we're second on the server, 7/8 heroic, for the record, which is the fastest i've ever progressed |
| 08:09.15 | nevcairiel | if your setup sucks because you have too many healers, they cant dps, and you wont bench them, then thats just bad |
| 08:09.55 | nevcairiel | i would complain about that too, and we dont even do mythic much |
| 08:10.17 | Mr_Rabies | oh we were working on it, don't get me wrong |
| 08:10.32 | Mr_Rabies | but the problem is NONE of the healers want to dps at all |
| 08:10.42 | Mr_Rabies | but like obviously you can't bring 8 healers into a 20 man |
| 08:11.18 | Mr_Rabies | so we decide to let them try a rotation out starting last week, just to see which of them are okay stepping out of their comfort zone on the farm bosses to dps |
| 08:11.31 | Mr_Rabies | see what they like, yanno |
| 08:12.10 | Mr_Rabies | the first guy who is the lowest healer, that refuses to work on his neck (wasn't even honored with champions of azeroth until we benched him once) |
| 08:12.45 | Mr_Rabies | is the first on the rotation, and his dps is low but we're fine with it to let him try to learn things, he's not really holding us back until we get to za'qul and can't meet the dps check |
| 08:13.06 | Mr_Rabies | we check his gear and notice he's still using healer traits |
| 08:13.29 | Mr_Rabies | we ask him if he needs gold to respec his azerite gear, and he flat out refuses to change them and says he is only going to heal |
| 08:13.46 | Mr_Rabies | so we bench him for the night and he gquits right after we get the kill |
| 08:14.06 | nevcairiel | sounds like no loss to me |
| 08:15.28 | Mr_Rabies | it really wasn't, but it started the chain reaction |
| 08:15.40 | Mr_Rabies | so tonight we have several raiders missing at raid time |
| 08:15.47 | Mr_Rabies | one is on but refuses to come to the raid because we |
| 08:16.29 | Mr_Rabies | are doing mythic sivara before killing heroic azshara, with me subbing for our regular tank because he's running some kind of large LARP-type event thing for a week or so |
| 08:18.15 | Mr_Rabies | we ask if he's going to come to our raid and help out or just sit out and he flat out refuses, says we're too bad to kill anything on mythic and then gquits when he's told he needs to be a team player |
| 08:19.37 | Mr_Rabies | then like clockwork the rest of the people that were missing log in, pick a fight with our GM and either get kicked or gquit |
| 08:19.59 | nevcairiel | yeah thats not blizzard-caused stress, thats just a group of asses =p |
| 08:20.06 | Mr_Rabies | so they were all available but refusing to raid because apparently getting a mythic boss to 38% with a very solid strategy that the guild that is now #1 used |
| 08:20.24 | Mr_Rabies | all the people that left more or less were the ones complaining about too many healers, except |
| 08:20.29 | Mr_Rabies | here's the weird thing |
| 08:21.40 | Mr_Rabies | one other healer, who is normally very nice, friendly, and offers to swap to dps as needed but has been upset lately because of the stress of us having to start figuring something out before we really get into mythic, logs in an hour into raid time while we're standing around with 19 players |
| 08:22.04 | Mr_Rabies | cusses out the GM herself, and gets gkicked |
| 08:22.59 | Mr_Rabies | for the record we had like 28 people in the raid tuesday night |
| 08:23.48 | Mr_Rabies | wednesday night we're down to 17 at first because the ass group is sitting out in protest |
| 08:24.33 | Mr_Rabies | the ironic thing is we were actually down a healer for what we needed that night, because we're usually fairly relaxed about attendance since we raid 3 nights a week for 3.5 hours per night |
| 08:24.47 | Mr_Rabies | which is part of why we have a couple extras in the first place |
| 08:26.03 | Mr_Rabies | i think ultimately it's the danger of progressing really well, you start attracting attention of players more hardcore than you, and they scare off the more casual players |
| 08:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | but ultimately i think the blizzard-caused stress is LOTS of guilds are in this situation |
| 08:26.57 | Mr_Rabies | our server and guild is really not hardcore enough for some of the limitations of mythic and it's putting a lot of stress on players since we obviously are going to have to trim the fat |
| 08:27.18 | Mr_Rabies | but we can't just stop raiding for months, or farming a raid where no one needs gear for months |
| 08:27.48 | Mr_Rabies | so we're forced much further into mythic than we really should be because the raids have been undertuned |
| 08:28.27 | Mr_Rabies | i think if mythic could flex once the raid goes cross-realm it would be a lot less stressful on guilds in general |
| 08:28.38 | Mr_Rabies | maybe not this tier because everyone is destroying it |
| 08:29.22 | Mr_Rabies | but the stress of needing 20, but being prepared if we have 2-3 too few or many people is really stressful |
| 08:29.38 | Mr_Rabies | stress is stressful |
| 08:29.40 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 08:30.24 | Mr_Rabies | if they're not going to tune the content a bit tougher, i think a flex version of mythic with some specific stuff turned off would be okay |
| 08:30.35 | Mr_Rabies | specific achievements, mounts, etc, whatever |
| 08:31.33 | Mr_Rabies | ultimately it is our fault though, some of it at least |
| 08:32.07 | Mr_Rabies | we didn't boot a troublesome player that was a troublemaker about 20% of the time and fine the rest of the time months ago when we should have, because he went back on good behavior |
| 08:32.23 | nevcairiel | mythic, as every diffuclty, is supposed to be gradient, if you can defeat the final boss on heroic, you should be able to do the first 1-2 on mythic with no large problems, assuming you have the raid size |
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| 08:32.47 | Mr_Rabies | he raid leads for another guild that's behind us and everyone minus the nice healer that quit tonight everyone that left in that 1 hour are now in his guild |
| 08:33.20 | Mr_Rabies | he would always bother us to let him bring in his alt on progression nights because his main was already geared up, etc |
| 08:33.51 | Mr_Rabies | yeah, exactly nevcairiel |
| 08:34.40 | Mr_Rabies | but the "hardcore" group of players was convinced spending time doing a boss we already knew very well after a night of wiping but getting to 38% in just a couple hours of pull on MYTHIC means it's impossible and a waste of time |
| 08:34.59 | Mr_Rabies | because you "need 4 healers for sivara" |
| 08:35.04 | Mr_Rabies | "impossible with 6" |
| 08:35.56 | Mr_Rabies | the guild that beat us tonight used the exact same strategy we were going to use (strategically place the barrages to minimize unstable mixture during the barrage) |
| 08:36.05 | Mr_Rabies | and also took SIX HEALERS, exactly the number we were gonna take |
| 08:36.23 | Mr_Rabies | and they're an average of about 3 ilvls below us looking at their raiders |
| 08:37.18 | Mr_Rabies | the main tank i'm replacing for this week has also expressed his concerns about not wanting to do mythic again so we're going to have to deal with that soon too |
| 08:38.56 | Mr_Rabies | basically i'm saying that being an officer in a semi-hardcore guild on a dead server is literally harder than being a factory worker during the industrial revolution |
