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| 02:06.22 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: it used to work even if you did leave dreamway; the whole point of the exercise was reduced repair costs while in raid; it would teleport you back into the raid so no problem |
| 02:06.45 | Chipzz | *(2nd) raid -> instance |
| 02:08.42 | Chipzz | Vardex: heh. while these mini-games are also written in lua, I doubt that lua can be interacted with from addons |
| 02:09.13 | Chipzz | what's it called again? SceneScript or sth? probably not that :P |
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| 05:20.41 | Simca_ | scenescript, yeah |
| 05:22.09 | Simca_ | and yeah, interaction with scenescript is possible unless somebody really really screwed up somewhere on an api call. it's not secure environment as far as i know, it's its own environment |
| 05:22.16 | Simca_ | is impossible* |
| 05:23.56 | Simca_ | you can see their lua errors sometimes, though, if they don't have a way to catch that in the lua they write |
| 06:24.23 | nevcairiel | Chipzz: well you can still do that by simply going to dreamgrove to repair instead of moonglade |
| 06:26.19 | nevcairiel | I believe it always worked l ike that, you had to stay within those two areas for the back port to function |
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| 08:13.51 | Mr_Rabies | there was certainly a period of time that you could go anywhere in the middle, but then fly to dreamgrove and get the port back, but it wasn't all that long |
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| 12:39.01 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: definitely not, what I described worked in the past |
| 12:43.07 | nevcairiel | not for a v ery long time at least |
| 12:43.21 | nevcairiel | but for your described usecase its also just not required, since it works when you go to the dreamgrove |
| 12:43.34 | nevcairiel | without even needing to go back, so its also faster |
| 12:44.10 | Chipzz | nevcairiel: pretty sure it worked in 8.0, and I think it worked in 8.1 too |
| 12:44.28 | nevcairiel | definitely didnt work throughout legion |
| 12:44.47 | nevcairiel | when this ability and zone were actually introduced |
| 12:45.01 | Chipzz | it definitely did, I used it all the time |
| 12:45.13 | Chipzz | 100% on that |
| 12:45.47 | nevcairiel | in any case jsut go to the dreamgrove to repair |
| 12:46.19 | Chipzz | I should check which faction the repair vendors are in there |
| 12:46.44 | Chipzz | the reason I did it that way was because of the 20% discount for rep |
| 12:47.36 | Chipzz | if it's the wrong faction I might as well use my repair mount |
| 12:51.58 | nevcairiel | whats what i usually do when i need to repair in an area which doesnt let me mount, just port, mount, port back |
| 12:53.44 | Chipzz | Simca_: I think wowdev.wiki used to have some "docs" on SceneScript, but can't seem to find them through google anymore |
| 12:54.23 | Chipzz | if you have gold to blow :) |
| 12:54.51 | Chipzz | I don't play the AH, not a very rich player |
| 12:55.06 | nevcairiel | one doesnt need to do the AH to have enough gold to repair |
| 12:58.05 | Chipzz | enoough gold to repair, no. enough gold to repair and keep finances level when you're raiding and need consumables, yes |
| 12:59.10 | Chipzz | when I was still raiding with my guild my net gold amount was definitely decreasing the whole time |
| 13:00.24 | Chipzz | 500g+ reapir bills are definitely not uncommon these days, and that's without gear being red |
| 13:01.26 | Chipzz | and these add up on a raid progression night |
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| 14:19.17 | Alram | Chipzz: we don't really delete stuff from the wiki, what were you looking for scenescript wise? |
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| 16:36.20 | Chipzz | Alram: I recall reading some actual SceneScript API (ie list of methods) somewhere, I *think* it was wowdev.wiki, but I may be remembering incorrectly |
| 16:37.54 | Alram | it definitely feels like a thing schlumpf documented |
| 16:37.55 | Alram | sec |
| 16:44.58 | Alram | i have no idea, asked him |
| 16:45.47 | Chipzz | ok, thanks :) |
| 16:46.11 | Chipzz | not really important, just curiosity really |
| 16:47.32 | Simca_ | yeah, but SceneScript API is only available from the SceneScript environment, which he was accessing through injecting modified SceneScripts into a test client on non-live servers |
| 16:48.01 | Alram | yeah |
| 16:48.43 | Simca_ | to admittedly harmless effect - he made a checkers minigame i recall and a flappy bird clone |
| 16:49.16 | Alram | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPSmLmiC4sQ |
| 16:49.49 | Simca_ | good stuff |
| 16:52.35 | Alram | he can't find it rq either |
| 16:52.38 | Alram | oh well |
| 16:53.35 | Simca_ | the checkers one? it was ollld. WoD era I think. |
| 16:53.46 | Alram | nah the docs |
| 16:55.59 | Simca_ | i wrote some docs for mmochampion i never ended up using. i was going to use scenescript to automate previewing spell effects |
| 16:56.56 | Simca_ | but then I realized that I'd have to position the camera properly in 3d space, and make the characters do the right type of casting animation when the spell effect goes off, and it just sounded like effort |
| 16:59.12 | Simca_ | maybe this information finds its way to stiven and he takes it and makes into a wowhead news feature and is destined to write lua scripts for character positioning for the rest of his life |
| 16:59.20 | Simca_ | that would be irony |
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| 17:56.10 | znf | ...when someone in your raid gets https://i.imgur.com/Gcu6UQZ.png |
| 17:56.11 | znf | :-| |
| 18:08.57 | Chipzz | Alram: so, and just wondering, was there ever any SceneScript docs wowdev.wiki? was it deleted somehow? |
| 18:10.24 | Alram | don't think so no |
| 18:10.30 | Alram | might have been on the wowdev github org somewhere |
| 18:10.41 | Alram | not sure though |
| 18:11.39 | Alram | if it was deleted that'd be unusual |
| 18:18.41 | Chipzz | is there an alternative to https://wow.tools/dbc that doesn't mangle the data? |
| 18:19.31 | Chipzz | looking at scenescripttext is rather useless since all newlines are lost |
| 18:22.23 | Alram | grab it as csv |
| 18:22.55 | Chipzz | that also mangles it :) |
| 18:23.22 | Chipzz | (using comma as the separator, and comma appears in the data) |
| 18:23.46 | Chipzz | also, using "view source" in my browser, it looks like the data is not actually complete |
| 18:23.53 | Alram | get a proper csv reader |
| 18:24.00 | Alram | openoffice should deal with it fine etc |
| 18:24.26 | Chipzz | I can also manually demangle it, that's not the issue :) |
| 18:24.30 | Chipzz | it's just messy |
| 18:24.45 | Chipzz | and I doubt OOo will handle it |
| 18:24.48 | Alram | any , inside of " should be ignored by good readers |
| 18:25.02 | Alram | https://marlamin.com/u/soffice.bin_2019-07-31_20-24-59-0D5r039S.png |
| 18:25.25 | Alram | its what i use to browse it |
| 18:25.39 | Chipzz | 1) OOo can't work around the fact that the separator appears in the data; 2) the data contains newlines which would mean it gets split up in ways it's not intended to be split |
| 18:25.51 | Alram | it can deal with all of that |
| 18:25.57 | Alram | newlines and comma's inside of strings |
| 18:26.19 | Vardex | It seem to use local separator for me it doesn't use , |
| 18:26.43 | Alram | as long as the newlines and whatever is inside of a " it is perfectly fine |
| 18:27.05 | Alram | readers that simply split by newline will mess up, yeah |
| 18:27.08 | Vardex | I lied |
| 18:27.59 | Alram | Chipzz: you can probably also use a proper db2 reader if there's a public one that supports wdc3 |
| 18:28.09 | Alram | that will obviously give the best results |
| 18:31.39 | Chipzz | Alram: *nod*, I need to do that at some point anyway for a lot of other stuff |
| 18:35.24 | Chipzz | Alram: it looks like some of these scripts access a scene variable that isn't defined anywhere; is it the same kind of implicit argument scripts get? |
| 18:36.00 | Alram | I honestly don't know |
| 18:36.13 | Alram | The time I've looked into these is very limited |
| 18:38.46 | Chipzz | ok np :) |
| 18:39.06 | Chipzz | Simca_: you got any clue? |
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| 19:07.35 | Simca_ | there's a shared lib script that's one of the early scripts |
| 19:07.38 | Simca_ | that's loaded with everything |
| 19:08.56 | Simca_ | the fact that excel still cant read csvs right annoys me to no end as well |
| 19:11.32 | Alram | it's a very shitty format really |
| 19:12.57 | Simca_ | that doesn't excuse it |
| 19:13.45 | Simca_ | especially the error message that comes up half the time claiming the file is an sylk file, whatever the hell that is, and saying it can't be loaded, then you click 'ok' and it loads it without issue |
| 19:17.38 | Simca_ | https://www.drupal.org/project/csv_serialization/issues/2802081 |
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| 21:08.42 | nevcairiel | the most fun thing is that csv litereally means comma-seperated values (hint to discussion above, why would it be anything else if its litereally in the name? :P), and yet excel only likes it with semicolons by default, unless you go through the annoying import wizard |
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| 22:43.55 | znf | Sharding strikes again. Was killing Rockweed Shambler, was at 40% hp left on the mob (it has 6.something total), got swapped to a different shard |
| 22:44.01 | znf | I don't get it - why does that happen in Combat? |
| 22:48.06 | nebula | if they waited for everyone to get out of combat before destroying a shard, it would never happen |
| 22:48.26 | znf | take them one by one? >_< |
| 22:48.51 | nebula | maybe they do, but you hit the limit :p |
| 22:49.48 | znf | I only get to see that rare like 2 times a week... |
| 22:50.53 | nevcairiel | that never happened to me ever |
| 22:50.58 | nevcairiel | good to be on a RP realm =p |
| 22:51.03 | Mr_Rabies | Rockweed Shambler used ãＢＩＴＥＳ ＴＨＥ ＤＵＳＴã |
| 22:52.07 | Mr_Rabies | it's not really supposed to happen in combat usually and it feels like most of the time the game tries not to do it |
| 22:52.13 | znf | yeah, but on the other hand... you're on a RP realm |
| 22:52.17 | Mr_Rabies | but i've definitely had it happen quite a few times |
| 22:52.38 | znf | Mr_Rabies, nah, ever since their Battle for Nazjatar change to "balance" realms better, it keeps happening |
| 22:52.41 | znf | and not only in Nazjatar |
| 22:52.41 | nevcairiel | what do I care, its nice and quiet here, and I still have my guild to raid with, and everything else is cross realm |
| 22:52.44 | znf | Mechagon too |
| 22:53.09 | Mr_Rabies | war mode is full of all kinds of wonkiness with sharding |
| 22:53.27 | nevcairiel | thats what happens if you want something that balances itself |
| 22:53.40 | Mr_Rabies | it happens occasionally with it off if someone joins the group and it meets whatever requirement there is for the game to trigger a realm switch |
| 22:53.46 | Mr_Rabies | but happens a LOT in war mode |
| 22:53.57 | znf | I was probably alone on that shard, that is true, as I had 3 rares up around me (including shambler) that nobody else was touching... |
| 22:54.28 | nevcairiel | doesnt shambler only s pawn in response to player actions |
| 22:54.47 | znf | I assumed the same |
| 22:55.11 | znf | I mean, sure there was someone else around on the shard, just not around me |
| 22:55.17 | nebula | it spawns from the algan guys, no? |
| 22:55.42 | nevcairiel | yeah |
| 22:55.46 | nevcairiel | really rarely tho |
| 22:55.59 | nevcairiel | i think i only saw it once |
| 22:55.59 | znf | yeah |
| 22:56.04 | znf | but it never spawns in the same area |
| 22:56.19 | znf | as in, it's not gonna spawn on the same position you kill an algan |
| 22:56.20 | nevcairiel | its supposed to spawn near where an algan was killed |
| 22:56.27 | nevcairiel | but not right on you |
| 22:56.49 | znf | I think that's just a theory |
| 22:57.08 | nevcairiel | it probably has fixed spawn points and it just picks one near the kill |
| 22:57.21 | nevcairiel | it would be really insane if it would spawn on the other side of the map |
| 22:57.23 | znf | nah, it spawns in the same spots as lost/wayward algan |
| 22:57.31 | nevcairiel | you would never be able to correlate kills and spawns |
| 22:57.45 | znf | once I got swapped, in the same place there was a lost algan |
| 22:58.22 | znf | and every time I've seen it it was in a "known" spot of an algan, so I'm quite confident it spawns in place |
| 22:58.44 | nevcairiel | do those guys not move around |
| 22:59.13 | znf | not really |
| 22:59.21 | znf | I mean, they move like 10 yards from their point |
| 23:00.29 | nevcairiel | i usually dont watch mobs much, find one, kill one :D |
| 23:00.44 | nebula | they wander abit |
| 23:00.52 | znf | I have them added to silvedragon |
| 23:00.54 | znf | so I always see them :P |
| 23:01.17 | nevcairiel | hm i should do that |
| 23:02.44 | znf | tbh, I'm not sure why I bother anymore |
| 23:02.52 | znf | I think I have everything already from pearls |
| 23:23.13 | Mr_Rabies | you're not really geared until you have the BiS Benthic gear at 425 with sockets |
| 23:23.41 | Mr_Rabies | feral druid has like 6 pieces that are BIS from benthic tokens apparently :( |
| 23:23.55 | Mr_Rabies | many or all better than mythic raid gear unless it also sockets |
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| 23:42.27 | znf | we have 4 :) |
| 23:42.41 | znf | it's the same for most dps specs |
| 23:42.57 | znf | and yes, I have all 4 |
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