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| 00:10.11 | Ketho | They just moved it https://authors.curseforge.com/knowledge-base/projects/3451-automatic-packaging |
| 00:10.13 | Ketho | https://authors.curseforge.com/knowledge-base/projects/527-preparing-the-packagemeta-file |
| 00:13.54 | Funkeh` | foxlit: they were listening, on their discord, in a dedicated channel |
| 00:14.01 | Funkeh` | things were being fixed within a few hours |
| 00:14.19 | Funkeh` | then they went AWOL and locked the channel and told everyone to "use their uservoice page" |
| 00:14.36 | Funkeh` | in other words, our dev time is over until the next major update |
| 00:14.50 | Funkeh` | (what curse has been doing for the past 12 years) |
| 00:15.04 | Ketho | wowace stuff is all kinds of fucked btw |
| 00:15.19 | Funkeh` | i think you can consider wowace in "maintenance mode" |
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| 01:03.29 | Simca | Funkeh`: very rarely, BasicChatMods will fail to handle a chat line. It happens like once per 10k lines of chat or so |
| 01:03.37 | Simca | looks like this: https://i.imgur.com/Chy9mx1.png |
| 01:05.07 | Simca | (the bugsack bug i exterminated there was unrelated, debug messages at top also unrelated) |
| 01:08.27 | Funkeh` | I've not seen it yet to try reproduce it but you're not the frist to bring it up |
| 01:18.46 | znf | I got that today twice :P |
| 01:18.49 | znf | but I've already told him |
| 01:39.28 | Simca | i've not noticed any trend between the failed lines |
| 01:39.40 | Simca | but i'll keep looking |
| 01:45.36 | znf | me neither |
| 01:45.57 | znf | last time I saw it I was idling outside the raid entrance waiting for people |
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| 06:09.45 | Mr_Rabies | aw man i hate when we lose guildies unless they're 1000% jerks but this one guy pretty much left us stuck on what to do with him |
| 06:10.24 | Mr_Rabies | somehow our guild has way too many healers so we've been encouraging our healers to pick up some dps gear and learn a dps spec so we don't have to sit them when we can't bring 8 healers to mythic raids |
| 06:10.50 | Mr_Rabies | and one of them pushed back a lot, which wouldn't be a problem if his heals were great, we could certainly work around it |
| 06:12.01 | Mr_Rabies | but he just logged in to raid, never did his neck upgrade quests (or get the rep necessary to do so) until we basically made him, tried to get other resto druids to help him out with his heals etc |
| 06:13.27 | Mr_Rabies | but his heals were just going nowhere and we had to sit him on wednesday because while he was convinced to swap to balance a few weeks ago unless we were short on heals, he wouldn't swap over to dps traits on his azerite gear or get a second set of azerite gear or anything, and his dps was abysmal |
| 06:14.18 | Mr_Rabies | so we had to sit him out on heroic za'qul since we weren't dropping his shield in time, and he ragequit lol |
| 06:14.59 | Mr_Rabies | i know this is an awful time in basically any time zone that hangs out in here other than maybe west coast usa but sometimes being an officer is frustrating lol |
| 06:18.03 | Maldivia | it's 9.15 in the morning here, so yes, awful time! :) |
| 06:19.58 | Mr_Rabies | i think of most of this channel as like, between GMT -8 or so and +2 or so even if that's probably not at all true lol |
| 06:20.44 | Funkeh`` | znf Simca fixed |
| 06:21.55 | Mr_Rabies | oh Funkeh`` have you noticed any weirdness on island expeditions with the skull markers in sexymap? |
| 06:22.15 | Mr_Rabies | i meant to post a bug report dealio but i keep forgetting |
| 06:22.23 | Mr_Rabies | also i need to probably troubleshoot it more |
| 06:22.24 | Funkeh`` | sexymap doesn't touch blips |
| 06:22.33 | Mr_Rabies | it could be silverdragon or something else entirely |
| 06:22.47 | Mr_Rabies | or maybe it's just acting weird because i use a square minimap, but i've had zero issues with the blips anywhere else |
| 06:23.39 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard does like to do some weird stuff to square minimaps from time to time when they change stuff |
| 06:26.50 | Kemayo | SilverDragon just relies on HereBeDragons' pins stuff for the minimap interactions. |
| 06:28.41 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm i gotta figure out what's doing it because i'm going nuts |
| 06:29.09 | Mr_Rabies | doesn't happen to my friend, but every island for me has a ton of the skull blips right next to me, until i start moving towards then |
| 06:29.11 | Mr_Rabies | them* |
| 06:29.26 | Mr_Rabies | then they "run away" from me on the minimap until i get close enough then they snap to the right place |
| 06:30.20 | Mr_Rabies | almost like the point of interest ones act on the very edge of the minimap |
| 06:30.37 | Mr_Rabies | but they show up like, 40 yards out or something according to the minimap, instead of hanging on the edge |
| 06:30.44 | Mr_Rabies | very weird, and only on island expeditions |
| 06:31.14 | Mr_Rabies | i'll have to do ye olde "toggle off half the addons" method to figure it out i guess lol |
| 06:35.01 | Kemayo | I mean, SilverDragon definitely does fiddle with vignette icons, so if there's something weird going on with, say, HBD's opinion of the zone's scale somehow, that might come together to cause an issue. |
| 06:36.50 | Mr_Rabies | that's what it feels like, i'm thinking blizzard rescaled the minimaps for islands or something |
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| 11:02.50 | Chipzz | Mr_Rabies: sounds like not a lot was lost there. I mean, refusing to go DPS... learn to be a team-player ffs |
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| 12:42.16 | znf | Funkeh`, I'm curious - what was it? |
| 12:42.28 | znf | same thing as before, with the table? |
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| 18:01.49 | Mr_Rabies | (7:02 am) <Chipzz> Mr_Rabies: sounds like not a lot was lost there. I mean, refusing to go DPS... learn to be a team-player ffs |
| 18:02.12 | Mr_Rabies | well yeah, and i 100% understand wanting to be only one role (i really only want to do feral dps) |
| 18:02.56 | Mr_Rabies | but if we had 20 dps i would do two things: make sure my dps was high enough that i was uncuttable, or totally accept that my self-imposed limitation is why i'm not getting the invite |
| 18:03.35 | Mr_Rabies | we didn't kick him from the guild or anything, just benched him for one fight and he gquit lol |
| 18:45.32 | Vardex | Can we avoid advertising twitch channel in addon? Especially when you replace the quest log by your "advertisement". https://i.imgur.com/nQJCtTy.png |
| 19:14.11 | Gnarfoz | you can avoid it by not installing that addon |
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| 19:23.02 | MooreaTv | I think it's against the addon terms to have any kind of ingame urls/ads/... so remind the author I guess |
| 19:23.38 | Mr_Rabies | there's tons of addons with urls, dbm has 3 |
| 19:23.56 | Mr_Rabies | their discord, twitter, and mysticalos's personal twitter |
| 19:24.07 | Mr_Rabies | they just have terms against like "donate to my paypal" and stuff i believe |
| 19:24.17 | Mr_Rabies | oh and their website so 4 lol |
| 19:26.49 | nebula | nah, just not allowed to solicit donations, you can promote websites all you want |
| 19:28.09 | foxlit | It's literally "4) Add-ons may not include advertisements. Add-ons may not be used to advertise any goods or services." |
| 19:28.20 | MooreaTv | I would think a twitch link falls under "Add-ons may not be used to advertise any goods or services." but I am not a lawyercat and probably whoever is/was enforcing addon policy at blizz was let go/moved to another team |
| 19:30.41 | Mr_Rabies | i wouldn't, any more than a twitter link or website link or any other kind of link |
| 19:31.41 | MooreaTv | twitter doesn't give you money after you reach some follower/sub count |
| 19:31.44 | nevcairiel | yeah that screenshot seems to qualify as an ad and therefor against the rules |
| 19:31.59 | Mr_Rabies | if you directly said "buy an auctioneer shirt at _____________" maybe or something or "donate to my patreon at __________" |
| 19:32.25 | Mr_Rabies | but saying come visit my twitch if you want to vote on what goes into my addon next isn't really the same thing |
| 19:32.27 | nevcairiel | linking your own project page and such is fine, but this is a huge blurb of text in a prominent (and obstructing) place |
| 19:32.28 | nebula | i'd be ok with them cracking down on twitch advertising, that shit is getting out of hand |
| 19:33.07 | Vardex | They could have put another link than a twitch channel to have a poll |
| 19:33.18 | nebula | report it on curse, that may result in something |
| 19:33.38 | Mr_Rabies | report it on twitch to take down twitch links |
| 19:33.42 | Mr_Rabies | i'm sure that'll happen |
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| 19:33.59 | nebula | oh please |
| 19:34.17 | nebula | like the addon mods are twitch shills |
| 19:35.26 | Ketho | curseforge did migrate to twitch accounts so we are all using our streamer names anyway x) |
| 19:35.36 | Mr_Rabies | that's where their paycheck comes from and when bezos says jump you better say "how high" |
| 19:36.06 | MooreaTv | you can pay to vote again, nice |
| 19:36.59 | Mr_Rabies | yeah that's true, lol, every addon page now technically has a link to the author's twitch page anyway |
| 19:37.01 | MooreaTv | https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/327420858521878529/604396712907374610/unknown.png |
| 19:37.43 | nebula | so? |
| 19:37.57 | nebula | projects have patreons that do the same shit |
| 19:38.39 | nebula | is people have monetize their hobbies, more power to em |
| 19:38.42 | nebula | if* |
| 19:38.42 | nevcairiel | regardless it shows that the entire endavour is for monetary gain, hence it sufficiently classifies as an ad |
| 19:39.02 | nebula | indeed |
| 19:39.14 | nebula | didn't think that was in question :p |
| 19:39.21 | Mr_Rabies | i mean it's using a built-in twitch polling system, but yeah that's almost certainly the reason |
| 19:40.12 | Mr_Rabies | the biggest thing i'm making is the same company that pays people to make addons is also the one being discussed as an advertisement that you're asking them to remove |
| 19:42.39 | foxlit | wouldn't want twitch (or, honestly, any third party) to enforce the UI policy anyway. |
| 19:43.50 | Mr_Rabies | they do certainly enforce it for obvious advertisements but this is a bit more grey and also for their own company sooo |
| 19:44.40 | MooreaTv | it has nothing to do with twitch indeed, it's a blizzard policy to make it pretend all the addons, once in game are free of real money transactions and nice and it's a happy world inside (and that you can't, in game, point people to how they can pay to influence the addons, but you can do that on the download page/out of game) |
| 19:44.58 | Ketho | you want to download this (freemium) addon? follow me on twitch or pay with bits |
| 19:45.41 | MooreaTv | back to how zygor is violating the policy but blizz doesn't care (or probably laid off the guy who was supposed to care) |
| 19:46.43 | nebula | i mean, aslong as they keep it out of the game, who cares |
| 19:47.28 | Mr_Rabies | i think the popup is certainly obnoxious, so i think it's an issue on that front, but i don't use the addon because it also has gigantic icons that eat up my whole map |
| 19:48.35 | Mr_Rabies | but there's really nothing that would personally constitute the type of ads that blizzard clearly doesn't want you using as far as i can tell |
| 19:49.06 | Mr_Rabies | that i personally thing would constitute the type of ads* |
| 19:49.17 | Mr_Rabies | think* jeez okay i'm done typing i'm terrible at it |
| 19:51.39 | Elmoe | Vardex: yeah no clue what is going on I just reverted to the last version of tomcat tours till he fixes/reverts whatever is taking over the quest log |
| 19:53.04 | Vardex | Tbh I don't have it installed, some guildmate told me than an addon "hacked" their quest log |
| 20:00.30 | Elmoe | hah |
| 20:27.39 | Mr_Rabies | ah yeah i just turned it on, it doesn't replace the quest log, but it does attach itself to the side of the map where the quest log should be, and disappears when you hit the arrow |
| 20:27.59 | Mr_Rabies | but most people are too stupid to know that lol |
| 20:40.48 | Gnarfoz | [21:36:19] <Mr_Rabies> that's where their paycheck comes from and when bezos says jump you better say "how high" <- how is bezos involved with wow addon moderation? xD less drugs! |
| 20:41.56 | Mr_Rabies | he's not but ultimately the whole chain is just there to make money in the end |
| 20:43.24 | Mr_Rabies | he probably in reality has no clue what curseforge is in the least at the moment |
| 20:45.51 | Mr_Rabies | but i definitely feel like it's just a matter of time until we start getting ads for amazon tv shows and other amazon stuff in the twitch app, outside of the ads that run through the actual twitch streams of course |
| 20:46.22 | Gnarfoz | thankfully, that's just a feeling, and I can hope otherwise :D |
| 20:46.54 | Gnarfoz | but I mean, Amazon is already terrible enough to show ads on their for-pay video streaming service |
| 20:46.55 | Mr_Rabies | i mean i hope otherwise too but amazon streaming video which is a paid service still has ads for other amazon stuff all over it :v |
| 20:47.01 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 20:47.04 | Gnarfoz | ye |
| 20:47.22 | Gnarfoz | in other news, Ulmath just plucked me through the ceiling of the quest zone I was in and ate me |
| 20:47.31 | Mr_Rabies | owned |
| 20:47.55 | nebula | such an annoying worldboss |
| 20:47.58 | Mr_Rabies | the world bosses are only slightly less obnoxious than the WoD ones when first introduced |
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| 22:30.57 | znf | the only annoyance I have with that world boss is that it makes the shard lag |
| 22:31.20 | znf | every time a raid group kills it, the whole shard lags |
| 22:31.53 | Mr_Rabies | not nearly as bad as that one in wod, the uhhhh big vine monster |
| 22:32.06 | Mr_Rabies | tarlna or whatever, at least at launch |
| 22:32.39 | znf | I don't remember the WoD ones at all |
| 22:33.27 | nebula | the gronn and the plant centuar thing |
| 22:33.59 | Mr_Rabies | https://youtu.be/lNjE6JfYtLc |
| 22:34.04 | Mr_Rabies | lol |
| 22:34.32 | Mr_Rabies | i lov ethis guy's action bars |
| 22:35.33 | Mr_Rabies | https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/6AAAAOSwNWxaBcfe/s-l640.jpg |
| 22:38.45 | znf | oh, I remember it |
| 22:54.32 | Nimhfree_ | is there a way that I can package an addon such that other addons are contained within the top-level directory, but those other addons are loadable on demand using LoadAddOn(). Basically I am interested in having only my top-level addon appearing in the list of addons in the UI, but having the rest able to be loaded on demand. |
| 22:55.13 | foxlit | no. |
| 22:57.00 | MooreaTv | there are/were addon managers but I'd question what is it you're trying to achieve by having "only my addon appearing" |
