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| 01:44.08 | MooreaTv | probably a faq but what does " Action[SetPoint] failed because[SetPoint would result in anchor family connection]: attempted from: DynamicBoxer_Status:SetPoint." means |
| 01:45.23 | MooreaTv | ah ClearAllPoints() |
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| 02:50.56 | Mr_Rabies | i wish i knew what was breaking my death recap :( |
| 03:00.14 | Nimhfree_ | my addon has that same error message but I was already doing ClearAllPoints() so it does not solve the problem in my case. |
| 03:01.37 | Simca | somebody else was having that issue and chat here was able to fix it |
| 03:04.30 | Mr_Rabies | hmm |
| 03:04.35 | Mr_Rabies | ~logs |
| 03:04.35 | purl | All conversations are logged to http://purl.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ Lines starting with spaces are not logged. Logs are updated daily. |
| 03:04.54 | Mr_Rabies | oh stuck since 5-15 lol |
| 03:12.57 | znf | was Mrrl supposed to sell the mount today? |
| 03:13.04 | znf | because it sold me a gear piece |
| 03:13.22 | Funkeh`` | sells the mount if you have WM on |
| 03:13.38 | znf | I have WM on |
| 03:13.51 | Funkeh`` | do you have a taco |
| 03:14.06 | znf | I had a taco earlier, but I bought the armor piece? :-| |
| 03:14.20 | Funkeh`` | and also make sure you have the cloak equipped |
| 03:14.22 | znf | I do |
| 03:14.37 | Funkeh`` | then im out of suggestions |
| 03:14.42 | znf | it had 2 items for me - the 75 follower XP and the gear piece |
| 03:14.50 | znf | now I checked wowhead, and I see people saying that they got the mount :-| |
| 03:14.53 | Mr_Rabies | he had the mount for me with WM off |
| 03:15.15 | znf | I look at it now: https://i.imgur.com/JVw3Iym.png |
| 03:15.54 | Mr_Rabies | i'm thinking he must have a different reset time or loot table at different data centers |
| 03:17.31 | znf | ok, I bought a taco just now |
| 03:17.47 | Funkeh`` | try disabling whatever addon that is also |
| 03:20.45 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/TX52JiM.png |
| 03:20.46 | znf | :-| |
| 03:20.55 | nebula | try deleting your wtf folder |
| 03:23.14 | znf | wish I knew wtf is keeping my WTF folder open... |
| 03:25.06 | znf | It seems if you buy the Pilfered Armor Crate he will not sell you the mount even after getting on a shard where it is being sold. Learned this the hard way, have to get an alt into Nazjatar now to buy it. |
| 03:25.06 | znf | I was so disappointed when I also learned this the hard way! Then I read your comment and it reminded me I have alts lmao! |
| 03:25.07 | znf | OH |
| 03:25.09 | znf | SON OF A FUCKING BITCH |
| 03:26.27 | znf | rip, thanks blizzard |
| 03:26.58 | Funkeh`` | nice |
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| 03:44.21 | MooreaTv | also try deleting the rest of the "World of Warcraft" folder? |
| 03:44.47 | MooreaTv | and the "IRC client" one too while at it :-p |
| 03:47.06 | znf | MooreaTv, there's a nice command called /ignore |
| 03:48.17 | MooreaTv | it doesn't work on #irc-mirror on discord side of the wall (yes I know you don't like discord) |
| 03:48.45 | Corrodias | huh what? IRC is great. |
| 03:48.52 | Corrodias | i'm on board |
| 03:49.57 | znf | we don't need discord :P |
| 03:51.06 | znf | I think the last time this was discussed, the consensus was that most people find the irc<->discord bridges a bit annoying |
| 03:51.31 | Corrodias | if that's annoying, they're not going to like me! |
| 03:52.07 | znf | (mostly because we couldn't tag/speak directly with the guys on the other side) |
| 03:57.41 | MooreaTv | I'd say mostly because you can't reply |
| 03:58.14 | MooreaTv | so I need an irc connection just because the bot is only 1way |
| 04:03.37 | znf | the TukUi ones was bi-directional |
| 04:03.45 | znf | and people didn't like that too much :P |
| 04:04.21 | MooreaTv | which side and why ? |
| 04:04.55 | znf | irc side, because we're old and grumpy and we like our text chat |
| 04:05.19 | MooreaTv | how is it not text coming from discord? |
| 04:06.09 | MooreaTv | how do you know I'm not right now running a smarter bridge and this was typed in discord |
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| 05:05.04 | Ketho | hey znf |
| 05:05.32 | Ketho | a few days ago it was very laggy with wm off in boralus even though I had like 9 ms |
| 05:06.57 | znf | I was only interested in Nazjatar :) |
| 05:07.36 | znf | but thanks |
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| 15:54.51 | znf | I wonder what's the reasoning for having WQs that spawn with less than 24 hours, again. Wasn't that a thing of the past (Legion)? |
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| 17:55.06 | Maldivia | invasion WQs? |
| 17:56.04 | Maldivia | and quests that only appear at night/day/morning sounds interesting ;) |
| 17:57.02 | Gnarfoz | is the "you're running outdated addons" popup coming up on every start for anyone else? |
| 17:59.06 | Maldivia | not for me |
| 18:00.40 | znf | Maldivia, no, not invasion WQs. There was one in the void-egg area, where Tidemistress spawns, when I logged on, it had ~3 hours left |
| 18:00.49 | znf | and I did all the quests in the area 1 hour before reset, before going to bed |
| 18:00.57 | znf | that means they've put in 12hr WQs again |
| 18:04.46 | Mr_Rabies | man that's a sign i've been playing too much wow |
| 18:05.43 | Mr_Rabies | i had a dream that blizzard added some kind of notificiation system that was using some open protocol that spammers immediately took advantage of, getting spam in and out of game using it |
| 18:06.11 | Gnarfoz | upgrade your dream OS |
| 18:06.48 | Mr_Rabies | and then windows kept popping up dialog boxes telling me what handler it wanted me to use for these kind of notifications and stuff |
| 18:06.52 | Mr_Rabies | what a weird, annoying dream |
| 18:07.11 | Gnarfoz | maybe you should see a doctor :D |
| 18:08.59 | nevcairiel | you truely have weird dreams |
| 18:09.48 | Mr_Rabies | i had one where i went to the a&t store once because i was having issues with my phone and they stole the phone i bought from amazon |
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| 19:04.10 | Chipzz | MooreaTv: I didn't like the TukUi bridge because a) you can'r see who is online and who is not and b) you can't PM anyone on discord |
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| 19:07.25 | MooreaTv | thx for the reply chipzz, I suppose the bridge could have a "/who" command to carry the online folks; not sure though how having a not perfect way to communicate across isn't just better than not/having the 1 way thing right now |
| 19:08.24 | Chipzz | I for one am most happy that bridge is gone. but that's personal sentiment |
| 19:09.34 | Chipzz | also I didn't like the attitude of the TukUI folks (and yours); this IRC channel has existd for a very long time, and asking an established channel to change to accomodate your new toy is IMO presumptuoous |
| 19:10.25 | Chipzz | if you're the new one, it's up to you to fit in with existing habbits IMO, not the other way around |
| 19:12.48 | MooreaTv | no comment |
| 19:13.14 | Simca | I dislike that attitude. Small changes to help others are great. |
| 19:13.56 | Chipzz | Simca: to each his own. but I disagree about it being "small changes". my 2c anyway |
| 19:15.36 | Simca | Uniting WoW UI discussion environments only strengthens everything as accessibility is great, and some of the problems discovered and solved here never get disseminated out into the general population, resulting in misconceptions or other problems. |
| 19:15.44 | Chipzz | but I think I'm gonna discontinue this topic now. the ops here have already stated in their opinion that bot was welcome. I managed to keep the discussion civilised up to now so lets leave it at that |
| 19:15.57 | Simca | Yeah, you should |
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| 19:22.19 | Chipzz | Simca: first I believe that last comment was entirely unnecessary; second, there are other technologies that allow bridging to IRC. Matrix is one that comes to mind, which is better because it only bridges one user at the time thus avoiding the problems I mentioned above |
| 19:22.39 | Chipzz | the [m] suffix is kinda silly but you can change that |
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| 19:27.26 | Simca | It was unnecessary. I just hold the concept of exclusivity for the sake of exclusivity in the highest possible contempt. That isn't what you're arguing for, so I shouldn't be so hostile. |
| 19:29.15 | MooreaTv | and "I don't like [your] attitude" and "presumptuous" clearly was necessary and civilised, nice double standards |
| 19:29.52 | Vardex[m] | Where do I remove the [m]? |
| 19:31.12 | Chipzz | I don't have anything personal against any of the individual TukUI devs, although I do think some of them were, trying to put it diplomatically, a bit lacking in attitude. I do think that bot was ill-conceived technology though, trying to map n users to one connection works poorly. But as far as I'm concerned they're welcome here through IRC or Matrix or other technologies :) |
| 19:31.20 | nevcairiel | actually the way I see it, allowing bridges to other things reduces community unity, because there is several platforms that everyone is spread on, instead of encouraging everyone to come to the same one |
| 19:31.41 | Chipzz | what nevcairiel said |
| 19:32.38 | Chipzz | in addition to that, it creates a discord community where people can PM each other and an IRC community where people can PM each other. not exactly unifying |
| 19:34.38 | Kalroth | yes, i think we all should use Cisco Spark |
| 19:34.48 | Gnarfoz | I don't really see who can PM who as relevant to getting people into one room |
| 19:35.53 | nevcairiel | but its not exactly one room, right, its like several rooms with phone conference systems in between, and everyone knows how much that sucks instead of an actual room :D |
| 19:36.18 | Gnarfoz | true, but that's not what I was replying to :-) |
| 19:37.19 | Ketho | I remember there was a wowuidev facebook group |
| 19:37.26 | Ketho | before the old style facebook groups got removed it was just Kaelten and me lol :) |
| 19:37.33 | Chipzz | Vardex[m]: I don't use matrix myself, but I've seen people who managed to do it; I'll ask |
| 19:41.16 | Chipzz | ah I see you figured it out yourself :) |
| 19:41.19 | Vardex | It was just using !nick |
| 19:42.22 | Chipzz | mind you I just said it was "silly", not intrusive or disturbing or annoying :) |
| 19:42.42 | Chipzz | I guess I don't get the rationale behind matrix wanting to advertise itself by default? |
| 19:43.49 | Gnarfoz | superfluous evangelism is a common ailment |
| 19:45.55 | Chipzz | not even sure if that's evangelism even. Might just be to give an indication to other users that the matrix user is somehow limited in actions he can take (or he has extra functionality); not sure which if these is true if at all |
| 19:46.18 | Vardex | Don't realli know the reason either |
| 19:46.23 | Gnarfoz | shrugs |
| 19:46.36 | Gnarfoz | extra functionality seems unlikely, given IRC is on one end :D |
| 19:50.46 | Alram | Hey guys can I put my discord bot in here???? |
| 19:50.52 | Alram | He's called Fisker |
| 19:51.26 | Chipzz | sure, I had him on ignore for ages :) |
| 19:51.46 | Alram | A timeless classic |
| 20:09.44 | Cairenn | ... |
| 20:10.50 | Cairenn | Fisker is a great guy and a hell of a lot less annoying that some others in here that I can mention ... |
| 20:18.33 | Alram | I like Fisker he's my friend |
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| 20:32.04 | Simca | nevcairiel: the problem with that is that an IRC channel will never be a point of unity for the masses, given the datedness of the system. because unity under one platform is already a lost cause, then unity through a bridge is ideal. |
| 20:41.21 | Gnarfoz | is there a way for a unitframe to show if a unit is in line of sight or not? |
| 20:41.30 | nevcairiel | dont think so |
| 20:44.56 | Mr_Rabies | would actually be interesting seeing freenode themselves providing a bridge similar to vhosts |
| 20:45.22 | Mr_Rabies | so each user is under one name |
| 20:45.59 | Mr_Rabies | seems immensely easy to get a bridge k-lined if you were so inclinded |
| 20:47.00 | Mr_Rabies | or g-lined or whatever |
| 20:51.37 | Ketho | what's the use of #wowace nowadays |
| 20:51.43 | Ketho | the curse repo bot doesn't work anymore and Torhal noped out because of znf |
| 20:53.56 | Gnarfoz | it's our living room, yo |
| 20:54.08 | Ketho | sounds comfy |
| 20:59.48 | znf | sorry to drive Torhal out, I liked him |
| 21:10.24 | Ketho | he is still somewhat active on curseforge discord ^^ |
| 21:16.37 | znf | cool :) |
| 21:17.03 | Gnarfoz | hurgh, what's the cvar for the toc out of date popups? :< |
| 21:17.16 | Gnarfoz | seems WoW doesn't want to write it itself :D |
| 21:17.33 | znf | SET checkAddonVersion "0" |
| 21:17.38 | znf | I think? |
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| 21:39.52 | Gnarfoz | znf: ty |
| 21:40.09 | Gnarfoz | it's set to 0, hm |
| 21:42.34 | Gnarfoz | does it read more than \wow\_retail_\WTF\config.wtf? |
| 21:44.09 | nevcairiel | Account\config-cache.wtf as well, but I don't think that var specifically g oes into there |
| 21:45.06 | Gnarfoz | I don't even have that file |
| 21:45.13 | nevcairiel | also make s ure lastAddonVersion is set to 80200 |
| 21:45.17 | nevcairiel | SET checkAddonVersion "0" |
| 21:45.17 | nevcairiel | SET lastAddonVersion "80200" |
| 21:45.18 | Gnarfoz | oh, account\accountname\ |
| 21:45.20 | nevcairiel | ie like that |
| 21:45.22 | Gnarfoz | yeah, it is |
| 21:45.37 | nevcairiel | then it should be fine, or you are broken :D |
| 21:46.05 | Gnarfoz | I assume I am, it also started showing titles, guild ranks, and such recently |
| 21:46.16 | Gnarfoz | (although those disappeared when I turned them off with AIO) |
| 21:46.30 | Gnarfoz | and yet, my config.wtf matches a backup from April |
| 21:47.02 | Gnarfoz | (apart from some random unrelated cvars like loadingscreentip and CACHE-*) |
| 21:47.14 | nevcairiel | do you use any non-standard stuff like symlinked config dirs or such? |
| 21:53.46 | Gnarfoz | not that I'm aware of :D |
| 21:53.56 | Gnarfoz | guess it's procmon time! |
| 21:54.59 | Gnarfoz | interesting, almost all the config changes I made since it apparently reset itself, are in config-cache.wtf |
| 21:57.05 | Gnarfoz | bah, great, now that it knows I'm watching, it stops misbehaving |
| 21:57.05 | nevcairiel | file not readonly or such? I'm sure you checked =p |
| 21:57.10 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 21:57.33 | Gnarfoz | actually, though, procmon reveals it also tries to create (!) _retail_\config.wtf |
| 21:57.43 | Gnarfoz | right before _retail_\wtf\config.wtf |
| 21:57.57 | nevcairiel | "create" in procmon is also "open" |
| 21:57.59 | Gnarfoz | and I deleted that just before, I think |
| 21:58.00 | nevcairiel | depending on the flags used |
| 21:58.04 | Gnarfoz | yeah |
| 21:58.15 | Gnarfoz | disposition: open |
| 21:58.38 | Gnarfoz | I dropped the backup from april there to compare with the current one |
| 21:58.45 | Gnarfoz | guess that tripped it up |
| 21:59.24 | Gnarfoz | copied the current one there, and now that's the only one it reads |
| 21:59.37 | nevcairiel | better not have any there for less future confusion :D |
| 21:59.46 | Gnarfoz | but it writes to WTF\config.wtf upon exit |
| 22:00.02 | Gnarfoz | so that's a nice combination :D |
| 22:00.57 | nevcairiel | so you screwed yourself by having the file there in the first place? |
| 22:00.58 | nevcairiel | :D |
| 22:01.05 | nevcairiel | odd that it looks for on there, anyway |
| 22:04.20 | Gnarfoz | I don't think there was a file there when I came out of hiatus, I only dropped it there when settings suddenly weren't what I expected them to be |
| 22:05.08 | Gnarfoz | I guess I should grab config-cache.wtf from backup as well, to compare |
| 22:06.22 | Gnarfoz | I hate websites that force me to click on something after entering my username, to make the password field appear |
| 22:06.48 | Gnarfoz | someone who creates something like that can't have used a password manager much |
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| 22:45.00 | tz | yep, it's shit, and people always claim it's so they can determine which backend to use, whether it's passwords or OAuth or whatever |
| 22:45.07 | tz | pain in the fucken backside |
| 22:45.36 | tz | in reality it's j ust that it's a shit pattern and nobody wants to spend any time working out a better way, users included |
| 22:48.08 | Gnarfoz | what was wrong with clicking the button for your external auth provider *or* entering your username/password |
| 22:48.53 | nevcairiel | I agree, there was no need for any change |
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| 22:53.34 | foxlit | use a better browser/password manager. |
| 22:53.54 | znf | how did google/gmail make their password form accesible? |
| 22:54.18 | znf | to password managers, I mean |
| 22:54.30 | znf | it seems to autocomplete the correct password when I have more than 1 google account |
| 22:55.31 | foxlit | the form includes <input type="email" value="you@your.com"> hidden by css. |
| 22:55.59 | znf | ah |
| 22:56.34 | TomCat | my eyes are still trying to focus. I misread that as you@your.mom at first |
| 22:58.01 | TomCat | reminded me of someone I worked with long ago - ask him any question - the response was always 'your mom' |
| 23:00.15 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: wrong answer, etc |
| 23:02.19 | foxlit | Well, yeah, you can continue to suffer. |
| 23:03.22 | znf | Someone dispel Gnarfoz so he doesn't suffer :( |
| 23:03.26 | znf | or, decurse? |
| 23:09.03 | Gnarfoz | foxlit: I'd rather they not make me suffer, because I'm not at fault here |
| 23:09.09 | Gnarfoz | znf: desuffer? :P |
| 23:09.15 | foxlit | separating username/password in those forms fixes two types of user error: leaking internal passwords to the site when it's supposed to delegate authentication, and people giving up prematurely when faced with a password box ("I don't have a password for foo.com!") |
| 23:12.10 | Gnarfoz | that's nice for them, I guess (both of those seem rather unimportant) |
| 23:15.56 | foxlit | (there are also too many SSO providers to have buttons for) |
| 23:21.35 | Gnarfoz | I guess I could make KeePass spew out a custom key sequence for such sites |
| 23:21.47 | Gnarfoz | but wtf |
| 23:24.35 | foxlit | Shouldn't KeePass just handle things better on its own? "Hey, you clicked on a username box, would you like to autofill based on the site URL?" -> post form -> "Hey, you clicked on a password box, would you like to autofill that too?" |
| 23:26.16 | Gnarfoz | why would KeePass know I clicked on anything |
| 23:27.38 | Gnarfoz | why would I intentionally connect the thing that stores all my secrets (and juicy secrets they are, indeed) with probably the biggest single attack surface on my machine |
| 23:28.25 | foxlit | why wouldn't you? |
| 23:29.09 | Gnarfoz | I think that's included in the rhetorical question |
| 23:29.32 | foxlit | I mean, do you trust your keyring software to be written by competent developers and be generally secure? |
| 23:30.14 | Gnarfoz | perhaps, but I don't trust Chrome |
| 23:30.27 | foxlit | ... Chrome posts your form. |
| 23:31.01 | Gnarfoz | so perhaps it steals that password, but it doesn't touch the keyring |
| 23:32.35 | znf | uhm |
| 23:32.36 | znf | question |
| 23:32.41 | znf | how the fuck do I move the "ward of power" frame? |
| 23:32.43 | foxlit | Broadly, I'm suggesting the browser doign the equivalent of "hey, keyring, I have this username box at http://example.com, you got any suggestions?" over some cross-process communication channel, and the keyring program accepting/denying that request according to whatever policy it wants. |
| 23:37.09 | Gnarfoz | znf: I asked myself the same thing, then decided to kill the boss instead :X |
| 23:37.23 | Gnarfoz | (I assume, the same way you move every other frame) |
| 23:42.45 | znf | well, it's over my raid frames :D |
| 23:46.25 | znf | and I have no idea what I'm doing here, I went in blind for azshara |
| 23:51.54 | Mr_Rabies | <Gnarfoz> why would I intentionally connect the thing that stores all my secrets (and juicy secrets they are, indeed) with probably the biggest single attack surface on my machine |
| 23:52.11 | Mr_Rabies | how do you pass the keepass keys to your browser then? |
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| 23:52.46 | Gnarfoz | shouldn't that be obvious from the issue at hand? |
| 23:52.53 | Mr_Rabies | oh i was scrolled up you covered it |
| 23:52.55 | Mr_Rabies | nvm |
| 23:53.03 | Gnarfoz | auto-type |
| 23:53.30 | Gnarfoz | custom auto-type key sequence to show the password field is probably easiest |
| 23:54.01 | Gnarfoz | but for example atlassian loads a new page (or at least is slow enough to make it feel that way) after entering email >_> |
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| 23:55.20 | Ketho | my biggest nightmare is accidentally fat fingering my keepass auto-type into IRC again |
| 23:56.12 | tz | yeah but if you accidentally output something like "#@(*&DFNMJ(*@#BN(F*NCVnfsdn#$@(*&fn897" nobody's going to have a clue where to use it |
| 23:56.28 | tz | that's the best part, change one place when there's a fat-finger episode |
| 23:56.33 | tz | not _everything_ |
