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| 01:24.28 | Mr_Rabies | now that we can fly i almost feel like being able to use all of boralus as a city would be nice |
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| 03:57.47 | znf | Whoever had the great idea of making Ashran into a BG and put it in normal queue, shoudl be shot |
| 03:58.26 | TomCat | normal queue meaning that it's not in the epic bgs queue? |
| 03:58.36 | znf | I mean in the "normal" queue as epic/random |
| 03:58.59 | znf | should have made it a separate queue, title it "shitty pvp events that were once a world event" |
| 03:59.34 | znf | put Wintegrasp, Tolbarad, Ashran in there |
| 04:00.03 | znf | Ashran is incredibly boring. 50++ minutes, lagfest, nobody has any idea what to do |
| 04:01.18 | znf | scratch that, 40 minutes, I entered the bg at :16 and ended at :57 |
| 04:07.13 | znf | also, for some reasons, ashran crashes WoW with an out-of-memory error sometimes |
| 04:10.29 | Simca | it is disappointing it is so laggy |
| 04:11.18 | Simca | me and four friends did it the first night it was back and it was horrendously bad. 5+ sec delays on spells, if not more. twice during the match, the server hiccup'd, which was a hilarious experience |
| 04:11.45 | Simca | everyone in the bg just typed "huh?" or "my game froze" or "?" into chat |
| 04:12.02 | Simca | then like 40 seconds later, the server just unstuck |
| 04:14.24 | Corrodias | D: |
| 04:20.01 | Simca | it didn't completely crash the instance server to have a complete freeze, which is kind of impressive at least |
| 04:20.35 | znf | wtf, I had mercenary on me |
| 04:20.38 | znf | but I joined in as horde |
| 04:20.39 | znf | ??! |
| 04:20.44 | znf | FUUUU |
| 04:20.51 | Simca | maybe horde queue was faster? |
| 04:21.04 | znf | fuck that, I wanna play alliance for +50% honor |
| 04:21.51 | Simca | the point of mercenary mode is to balance queues, so i assume they won't let you use it if the queues are balanced |
| 04:22.17 | znf | that's stupid |
| 04:23.21 | znf | I was getting +50% because there was few alliance in the queue |
| 04:39.30 | Mr_Rabies | <znf> should have made it a separate queue, title it "shitty pvp events that were once a world event" |
| 04:40.06 | Mr_Rabies | well to be fair AV is in such a state that the only thing that isle of conquest at least stands out as sorta fun while all the rest are awful |
| 04:41.08 | znf | wait, do we still have IoC? |
| 04:41.40 | znf | oh, we do |
| 04:41.50 | znf | which one got removed? SotA? |
| 04:42.04 | Mr_Rabies | i think so yeah |
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| 04:42.44 | Mr_Rabies | av is a total disaster now, tower guards are like raid bosses and no one on alliance realizes that |
| 05:04.07 | znf | 11k/15k for lvl2 essence :( |
| 05:04.11 | znf | then it's going to be 15k/50k :( |
| 05:44.20 | znf | I think this Av dragged on for too long https://i.imgur.com/cTHzo6x.png |
| 05:49.41 | znf | they were faster https://i.imgur.com/L1z3ZTB.jpg |
| 05:49.42 | znf | :D |
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| 06:25.09 | Corrodias | my dim memories of pvp in vanilla and TBC tell me that there was never such a thing as AV that wasn't "too long". if i'm thinking of the right thing. |
| 06:36.19 | Mr_Rabies | i do legit miss the week-long av |
| 06:37.00 | Mr_Rabies | the client is way too complex to keep a single instance open in realtime for 80 concurrent players nowadays for that long though |
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| 08:14.44 | nevcairiel | you know the client doesnt maintain instances, right? |
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| 09:06.28 | Tomaz^ | Probably a really simple fix for this, I have an addon that places markers on the worldmap, with the ability to integrate with TomTom ( ctrl-click to set waypoint ), my problem is that my marker renders ontop of the tomtom waypoint, so it's not visible, any advise on where to start looking? This used to work before 8.2.0 |
| 09:23.38 | nevcairiel | Ideally anyone putting markers on the map should be using a data provider, and such providers can choose the frame level they want to live on, so pick one lower then tomtom |
| 09:25.28 | nevcairiel | for the record, tomtom uses PIN_FRAME_LEVEL_AREA_POI |
| 09:26.16 | nevcairiel | which is actually quite middle-ish of the available level |
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| 09:27.42 | nevcairiel | I would think TomTom would want to sit higher on the levels, but I assume the new TomTom maintainer just didnt think much about it and used the default :d |
| 09:29.48 | Tomaz^ | USed Moveanything to find that TomTom neds up at MEDIUM 2018 |
| 09:30.05 | nevcairiel | the actual level is meaningless, since its dynamically adjusted based on other map contents |
| 09:30.23 | nevcairiel | there is a fancy level manager that sorts all map components |
| 09:30.27 | Tomaz^ | Sorry, 2019, with All quest markers from Grail sitting at 2018 |
| 09:30.29 | Tomaz^ | Okay |
| 09:39.26 | nezroy | is there a list somewhere of which non-Interface filepaths map to TXIDs? or do I have to extract the art and go digging through BLPs to find a TXID? (in particular we were using 'Textures/MinimapMask' and forgot to convert to a TXID before 8.2) |
| 09:39.51 | nevcairiel | https://wow.tools/files/ |
| 09:40.34 | nezroy | ty! :) |
| 09:52.18 | Tomaz^ | nevcairiel: so I need to use a data provider to do this properly? |
| 09:54.40 | nevcairiel | probably |
| 09:54.50 | nevcairiel | but thats also the only decent choice for putting things on the world map |
| 09:56.10 | nevcairiel | or use my HereBeDragons library, it makes a data provider for you, and lets you specify the frame level you want, in fact thats what tomtom uses, but it uses the default frame level :d |
| 09:56.48 | Tomaz^ | Yeah I've been looking at HereBeDragons |
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| 10:17.08 | VIad | znf: did ivus actually do anything? or did he drop dead like a rock *pun* |
| 10:19.49 | VIad | nevcairiel: I for the first time tried to use acegui to make some elements its not bad. but do you have some tips for me as far as option dialogs go, if acegui has a better wiki somewhere else or if I should look at a similar framework? I just see a lot more complicated setting pages yet acegui adds a lot of basics, it doesn't add too much so if I get it right i need to implement a lot of the stuff like editbox with number values or ± |
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| 11:27.12 | nevcairiel | if you want non-standard input elements then you need to do the work, thats not a surprise =p |
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| 13:23.16 | znf | VIad: it didn't actually spawn. It was at 200/200 and then nothing |
| 13:23.46 | znf | Someone said that it's because the horde one was up and they can't both be up at the same time? |
| 13:38.53 | VIad | they could back i nthe day |
| 13:39.01 | VIad | middle fights ivus vs rock guy |
| 14:08.29 | znf | well, it just didn't spawn, no idea why |
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| 16:41.44 | bluspacecow | in Classic was downranking a thing for Warriors ? |
| 16:42.24 | bluspacecow | ie on my Mage , pally and druid I can see the other ranks of my spells and abilitys. Not seeing that on my warrior |
| 16:43.05 | Alram | anyone doing eternal palace? |
| 16:43.15 | Alram | looking for dbcache.bin's for those that completed it |
| 16:46.03 | bluspacecow | oh hi alram |
| 16:46.12 | Alram | oh hi bluspacecow |
| 16:46.50 | bluspacecow | i had a question about your wow.tools site - if I do a build comparison and some of the files are listed in red with no names what's that mean ? |
| 16:46.57 | Alram | that they have no names |
| 16:47.15 | Alram | for 1.13 they need to be bruteforced |
| 16:47.20 | Alram | for 8.2 they have to be named whatever |
| 16:47.46 | bluspacecow | so they're not encrypted you just don't have names. guess that means you can't preview them |
| 16:47.55 | Alram | nah previews will work |
| 16:47.57 | Alram | most things will |
| 16:48.59 | Alram | (previews for supported formats still only, ofc) |
| 16:49.35 | bluspacecow | *facepalm* previewing them works now LOL. not sure why it wasn't working before |
| 16:49.45 | Alram | you have to wait up to 10s sometimes |
| 16:49.49 | Alram | if the build is not loaded it will load it |
| 16:49.50 | bluspacecow | timey wimey stuff! |
| 16:49.58 | Alram | then after that things should be fast until it gets unloaded again |
| 16:51.22 | bluspacecow | oh wait I remember now - the first I tried clicking the preview on a file with no name on a build diff ..... |
| 16:51.39 | bluspacecow | I was at work. with work web firewall filters and stuff |
| 16:54.20 | Alram | not sure what that would interfere with but those things are unpredictable sometimes |
| 16:56.26 | Mr_Rabies | <+bluspacecow> in Classic was downranking a thing for Warriors ? |
| 16:56.45 | Mr_Rabies | i think they at one point hid the older ranks for classes that wouldn't benefit from it for mana efficiency |
| 16:56.56 | Mr_Rabies | not 100% sure though |
| 16:59.36 | bluspacecow | do warriors use mana ? |
| 17:00.48 | bluspacecow | rage efficiency I guess |
| 17:09.56 | Mr_Rabies | older ranks would generally not cost less rage for warriors |
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| 17:30.13 | znf | warriors SHOULD use mana! |
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| 18:14.04 | znf | Anyone knows of an addon that is simpler than this? https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/paste |
| 18:14.39 | znf | or, well, CopyPasta |
| 18:14.58 | znf | (I just find it impressive that such a simple addon would need 11 libraries) |
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| 18:20.33 | znf | In other news, how do I get an achievements criteria? |
| 18:21.39 | Crosshash | All of them at once? |
| 18:25.18 | znf | all of them in this case, it's just 2 criterias I want to get the id of |
| 18:26.34 | Crosshash | GetAchievementNumCriteria and GetAchievementCriteriaInfo |
| 18:27.15 | znf | thanks |
| 18:30.23 | znf | Also, is there a way to figure out the tracking quest ID of an object, without going in the world and doing it? (I've done it already and I didn't take a note) |
| 18:31.51 | Crosshash | Tracking quest ID? |
| 18:33.24 | znf | the quest id that gets marked as completed when you open up a specific chest that is part of an achievement |
| 18:33.50 | znf | like, https://www.wowhead.com/object=326403/arcane-chest#comments is tracked by 55941 |
| 18:35.31 | Crosshash | oh, from a criteria? it's the assetType and assetID in GetAchievementCriteriaInfo |
| 18:39.43 | znf | I don't think that's there |
| 18:40.18 | Simca | the most annoying part of the criteria api is that you can't query a criteria that isn't part of an achievement |
| 18:40.53 | Simca | and sometimes achievements have criteria that reference other criteria, and your ability to pull information about these 'grandchildren' criteria is very limited ingam3e |
| 18:40.57 | Simca | ingame* |
| 18:41.01 | znf | I'm still not sure how to actually get the criteriaID to use with GetAchievementCriteriaInfoByID() |
| 18:41.23 | znf | GetAchievementCriteriaInfo require an index |
| 18:42.33 | Crosshash | what are you trying to do? |
| 18:42.39 | Simca | it wants the achievement id, pretty sure |
| 18:42.47 | Simca | like i said, i don't think you can use criteria ID in apis |
| 18:43.02 | znf | Simca, https://wow.gamepedia.com/API_GetAchievementCriteriaInfoByID this implies you can? |
| 18:43.36 | Simca | hm |
| 18:43.53 | Simca | that's a bizarre api that doesn't seem useful |
| 18:43.55 | znf | anyway, I'm not sure why this wants a criteriaID, I'm just updating a handynotes module |
| 18:44.11 | Simca | remove the ByID part, you get a diff one that's (achievementID, index) |
| 18:44.19 | Simca | which makes more sense |
| 18:44.45 | znf | I get that, but for some reasons this code requires the criteriaID, not index :P |
| 18:45.03 | znf | wonder what happens if I don't enter it |
| 18:46.20 | Simca | i think i understand why that api exists |
| 18:46.34 | Simca | sometimes blizzard hotfixes jostle the index order |
| 18:47.36 | znf | but, anyway, let's disregard that |
| 18:47.54 | Crosshash | You can get the criteriaID when you loop over all the criteria with GetAchievementCriteriaInfo |
| 18:47.54 | znf | My question was - this achievement lists those arcane chests under it's criteria https://www.wowhead.com/achievement=13549/trove-tracker |
| 18:48.29 | Simca | loop over using GetNumAchievementCriteria() then GetAchievementCriteriaInfo(achievementID, index) |
| 18:48.50 | Simca | the ByID api call seems totally useless if you do it this way tho |
| 18:49.05 | Simca | it provides the same info as the one giving you the criteriaID lol |
| 18:49.50 | znf | well, GetAchievementNumCriteria() returns 2, so GetAchievementCriteriaInfo(achievementID, 1) then ... 2 |
| 18:50.09 | znf | https://i.imgur.com/PGB4kkg.png |
| 18:50.36 | znf | assetID is 0 |
| 18:51.35 | Simca | assetid isn't what you want anyway |
| 18:51.39 | Simca | but yeah criteriaID is also 0 |
| 18:51.44 | Simca | ([10]) |
| 18:52.36 | znf | ah, yes, my bad |
| 18:53.16 | znf | but... is there a way to actually get all the tracking quests from the achievement? |
| 18:53.28 | znf | ie: the 9/20 count, which ones I completed, which ones I didn't |
| 19:03.53 | znf | Oh. Did they change how they track the pvp event? |
| 19:03.54 | znf | :o |
| 19:08.18 | znf | nope, just an additional World Quest, which you don't even have time to complete |
| 19:10.04 | Simca | the npcs count for the world quest |
| 19:10.16 | Simca | the footmen/grunts that spawn before points are fully captured |
| 19:10.29 | Simca | this WQ was up week one as well |
| 19:10.51 | znf | first time I see it |
| 19:10.59 | znf | but we literally didn't have time to make it :D |
| 19:11.03 | znf | barely did 50% |
| 19:11.19 | znf | battle was over at 21:07:09 |
| 19:11.30 | Simca | took me 2 battles to do it i think |
| 19:11.35 | Simca | maybe 3 |
| 19:11.41 | Simca | progress carries |
| 19:11.43 | znf | guess I'll wait for the 00:00 ne |
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| 19:40.46 | Funkeh` | how long until they hotfix scrying stone to stack? |
| 19:45.13 | Funkeh` | and increase the amount of AP for the 4 mythic dungeons, 600? :D You can get that for doing a random epic bg |
| 19:51.07 | znf | but then you'd be doing an epic bg for ~40 minutes if you get ashran :D |
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| 21:22.02 | znf | uhm, did they nerf the follower items XP in nazjatar? |
| 21:22.11 | znf | I just turned in one and I got only 20 combat experience |
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