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| 00:42.20 | znf | I miss Semlar |
| 00:45.43 | MooreaTv | whos is semlar ? |
| 00:55.33 | jaxdahl2 | it's a discontinued drink |
| 01:07.41 | Mr_Rabies | Piña Colada Semlar was the best |
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| 01:18.07 | Elmoe | hmm since 8.2 I have the weirdest bug. Clicking on a certain frame causes the add-on to bug out. All of the add-on frames go blank and can no longer be interacted with. Even using /fstack to inspect the frames doesn't work anymore. |
| 01:18.15 | Elmoe | Its like the frames no longer exist but are still partially rendered |
| 01:18.26 | Elmoe | But I have no idea what could have possible changed in 8.2 to cause such a regression |
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| 01:33.16 | Elmoe | also wtf happened to fstack? |
| 01:33.21 | Elmoe | it can no longer display the actual frame names?? |
| 01:48.24 | Mr_Rabies | oh wow |
| 01:48.28 | Mr_Rabies | that is awful lol |
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| 01:57.58 | Mr_Rabies | how delightfully useless that feature is now |
| 01:58.19 | Elmoe | yeah thats a real head scratcher of a change to make |
| 02:08.58 | Mr_Rabies | makes me feel like they're slowly trying to run off the addon authors and wean everyone off addons so they can save money having to develop the API and keep it secured |
| 02:09.30 | Mr_Rabies | not just this, but their actions in the past few years |
| 02:11.49 | Elmoe | Doubtful. Much more likely this is an unintended side effect of some other work that went into 8.2. I'd bet on oversight versus intent myself. |
| 02:12.22 | Elmoe | I'm just more perplexed while clicking on this frame now causes it to disappear from the framestack yet still be partially rendered but non-interactive on the screen |
| 02:12.31 | TukuiDevs | <Simpy> there is this for now: https://github.com/Gethe/FrameStackGlobalizer |
| 02:12.42 | Elmoe | yeah but that only globalizes the top level |
| 02:12.46 | Elmoe | which doesn't really help |
| 02:13.16 | TukuiDevs | <Simpy> i didn't check any of how it functions but it's still better than stock fstack's current state |
| 02:15.26 | znf | Whoever put so many damn neutral mobs around everywhere on this island was literally satan |
| 02:32.49 | znf | I hate it when I randomly die and there's nothing in my combat log to point to damage being taken |
| 02:32.55 | znf | just walking around, minding my own business, "you died" |
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| 02:40.53 | Elmoe | Hmm this is so bizarre. So calling StartMoving() on the frame is what is causing it to bug out. Basically once StartMoving() is called, the frame disappears from the framestack, all fonts stop rendering but the frame images stay on screen and persist in this broken state until /reloadui |
| 02:41.21 | Elmoe | Does anyone know of anything that changed in 8.2 with regard to moving frames? |
| 02:42.03 | Elmoe | I saw the changes about anchoring to restricted parents but this frame is anchored relativeto UIParent which should be fine |
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| 03:20.50 | Elmoe | now the curse pkger got stuck fml |
| 03:25.29 | jaxdahl2 | Elmoe does it do anything with worldframe? |
| 03:29.42 | Elmoe | jaxdahl2: yeah saw the thread on that but no shouldn't interact with worldframe at all |
| 03:32.12 | jaxdahl2 | perhaps there are other undocumented ones? try a different parent? |
| 03:32.39 | jaxdahl2 | or try with just the 1 addon you're having trouble with |
| 03:41.28 | Elmoe | everything is parented to UIParent which should be fine |
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| 05:36.06 | AcidWeb | yep |
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| 08:53.23 | MooreaTv | I am wondering by my avatar pict hasn't synced to discord yet |
| 08:53.35 | MooreaTv | ^by^why wow I can't spell |
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| 09:37.32 | MooreaTv | is there such a thing as a small numerical realm id ? (and a 2 way lookup table for it) |
| 09:39.18 | Alram | they have that but i doubt they expose it anywhere |
| 09:39.32 | Alram | ui-wise, that is |
| 09:40.23 | MooreaTv | I want to avoid sending over the wire stuff like "Steamwheedle Cartel" (which at first scan seems like one the longest realm name) |
| 09:40.43 | MooreaTv | that's a lot of bytes which could be "42" instead |
| 09:42.08 | MooreaTv | I could build a table myself but maintaining it would be an issue when they add realms (but do they anymore?) |
| 09:44.07 | MooreaTv | (for context I am trying to send a list of 4 cross realm party members to invite, ideally in 1 whisper but it won't fit if they have long realm names (or long/accentuated character names either I guess)) |
| 09:44.54 | MooreaTv | currently I send 1 by 1 but it throttles sometimes and I get the last one 20s after I sent it |
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| 10:38.30 | VIad | UnitGUID returns server IDs sometimes that is not the designated server ID. some of the large "one server" that has no connected servers still have backend servers to help load, it's kind of cool. they act same way as having your realm connected really. curious how this is in 8.2 compared to 7.1 when I was looking at these things. |
| 11:13.00 | MooreaTv | oh nice ! thx for the tip viad Player-[server ID]-[player UID] cool! |
| 11:29.00 | Alram | yeah wasnt that just x-realm group? |
| 11:29.03 | Alram | or battlegroup |
| 11:32.12 | VIad | what I experienced was in connected realms, it would return your main server you made your char on so it would match the realm name = id |
| 11:32.45 | VIad | but now on a realm that has no connections I see several helper servers taking off load, and I saw different IDs like as if I wasnt on my server but a connected sibling kind of, was weird |
| 11:33.37 | VIad | so on Ravencrest EU I got different internal type realm IDs occasionally and not the proper one for Ravencrest so backend it looks like they still utilize the connected realm tech to offload but the server IDs dont mean anything except thats the server that handles your session or something |
| 12:09.01 | MooreaTv | engineers never want to throw away their code/tech :) |
| 12:09.28 | MooreaTv | but I'm not sure I can use that then (plus would need the reverse mapping too or a way to whisper ) |
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| 13:10.31 | VIad | I only used it to detect region because there was/is no API to detect if the user plays in US, EU, and so on... |
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| 13:51.38 | Ketho | foxlit: how do I search for specific tables and enums on the Townlong Yak BAD |
| 13:51.45 | Ketho | like this works https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_APIDocumentation#s:recruitingclubinfo |
| 13:51.52 | Ketho | but this doesn't https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_APIDocumentation#s:clubfinderguildtabardinfo |
| 14:27.06 | Simca | they actually do expose the entire serverID mapping |
| 14:27.22 | Simca | either agent or the battle.net app caches it |
| 14:27.53 | Simca | i've noticed it when crawling through heroes of the storm maps before, it's in the same directory as them |
| 14:28.12 | Simca | i think it's given out to the client when you poll realmlist |
| 14:28.16 | Simca | and cached |
| 14:29.22 | Simca | but yeah mobs show their serverID too, so you can figure out what underlying realm you're on by mousing over a mob with an addon set up to pull UnitGUID("mouseover") and inspect the serverID |
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| 15:21.33 | znf | still no semlar :( |
| 15:29.38 | Ketho | I see him on the discord :eyes: |
| 15:32.52 | znf | :o |
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| 16:00.08 | znf | Is there a quest completer addon for mechagon? |
| 16:00.24 | znf | so I don't have to run around like an idiot trying to discover everything I have/have not completed? |
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| 16:51.46 | bluspacecow | :( |
| 16:52.01 | bluspacecow | hogger is still evade bugged on classic beta PvE |
| 17:01.00 | Ketho | I think the wowinterface list for classic beta got lost in the nether somewhere :( |
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| 17:25.08 | Alram | nobody has had invites since |
| 17:25.10 | Alram | from F&F |
| 17:25.20 | Alram | mildly interesting because the beta is basically dead now |
| 17:29.57 | Funkeh` | yeah because the hype is dead and release is still 2 months away |
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| 17:58.42 | Funkeh` | folks please note that the 4 functions ToggleQuestLog, ToggleWorldMap, OpenWorldMap, OpenQuestLog all forward to ShowUIPanel calls. If you use them, make sure they are restricted to out of combat use. |
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| 18:17.57 | foxlit | Ketho: foxlit: how do I search for specific tables and enums << I don't think they're useful in isolation, so you can't. |
| 18:18.37 | foxlit | Navigating to any function using them will show you the description, however. |
| 18:21.52 | Ketho | okay, I'll just link directly to the BAD framexml when needed |
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| 18:23.50 | foxlit | don't you transcribe everything present ther anyway? |
| 18:25.14 | Ketho | oh but I mean C_ClubFinder.PlayerGetClubInvitationList() returns RecruitingClubInfo which has ClubFinderGuildTabardInfo and PlayerClubRequestStatus |
| 18:25.33 | Ketho | the latter 2 don't show up that function when searching for it |
| 18:25.44 | Ketho | https://www.townlong-yak.com/framexml/live/Blizzard_APIDocumentation#C_ClubFinder.PlayerGetClubInvitationList |
| 18:27.31 | Ketho | yea but I want to link to your BAD sometimes for those transcluded api pages |
| 18:28.54 | Ketho | for example https://wow.gamepedia.com/Struct_ClubFinder.RecruitingClubInfo |
| 18:29.36 | Ketho | and https://wow.gamepedia.com/Enum_ClubFinder.PlayerClubRequestStatus |
| 18:40.23 | Ketho | basically I just want the search functionality to also include those deeper tables/enums |
| 18:40.32 | Ketho | just a small feature request so the wiki can link to an up-to-date reference instead of a framexml tag and line number |
| 18:54.11 | Ketho | after thinking about it a bit more it's not really needed to add BAD links from these transcluded pages so please forget what I just said ._. |
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| 19:36.51 | AcidWeb | I'm starting to think that people who design new zones don't play WoW at all. |
| 19:37.11 | AcidWeb | They are totally unusable in warmode as hub guards don't work at all. |
| 19:39.08 | Funkeh` | Or they also don't use war mode like the majority of the base? :p |
| 19:42.02 | AcidWeb | timegates, glitched events/quests, zero wpvp balance |
| 19:42.18 | AcidWeb | 8.2 is no improvement at all |
| 19:42.23 | AcidWeb | same bfa BS |
| 19:42.59 | Funkeh` | the pvp class balance in general has been screwed for years |
| 19:43.19 | AcidWeb | I'm starting to think that this expansion might be worse than WoD. |
| 19:43.35 | Funkeh` | not for pve at least |
| 19:44.33 | AcidWeb | fuck class balance i at least want any attempt to balance ppl number in zones |
| 19:44.41 | AcidWeb | event just finished and i have 11 assasins on map |
| 19:45.07 | AcidWeb | and their raid just camp portal and farm our hub |
| 19:48.24 | znf | today I wasted around ~6 hours on Mechagon hunting for rares |
| 19:49.07 | AcidWeb | Mechagon feel unfinished. |
| 19:49.49 | AcidWeb | Like content there was crammed on last minute. |
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| 19:51.45 | MooreaTv | simca- that realm list how do I get my hands on it from an addon ? (or maybe even from outside to just bake a list into my code) |
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| 19:58.14 | znf | wtf, they're doing a 6 months mount again? |
| 19:58.45 | AcidWeb | free money |
| 20:01.43 | foxlit | psst, perfect time to buy shadowbringers. |
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| 20:03.38 | Constie | I do wish WoW had Viera. |
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| 20:19.27 | MooreaTv | they just mailed mine |
| 20:24.42 | znf | I wonder how that's working out for them https://i.imgur.com/AvDlpkv.png |
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| 20:40.07 | znf | ~toc |
| 20:40.07 | purl | The current WoW interface number is 80000, or magical, or apparently very complex. |
| 20:40.16 | znf | it's 80200 right? |
| 20:43.05 | AcidWeb | yes |
| 20:43.59 | Mr_Rabies | <AcidWeb> I'm starting to think that this expansion might be worse than WoD. |
| 20:44.09 | Mr_Rabies | what was there in WoD was mostly good, there just wasn't enough to do |
| 20:51.54 | Mr_Rabies | alrighty reverted my graphics drivers lets see if silithus is still a flickery mess |
| 20:53.52 | Mr_Rabies | how do the ptr/classic folders handle the same file across different clients? |
| 20:53.57 | Mr_Rabies | i guess instead of dog.mdl you get a table that says "dog.mdl for this client is is a7d7d87f8f7fa in the data files?" |
| 20:55.43 | Mr_Rabies | okay yeah silithus is still a flickery mess |
| 20:55.44 | Mr_Rabies | hmmm |
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| 21:23.01 | foxlit | the cf update broke my bookmarks again :( |
| 21:25.15 | Funkeh` | in what way? |
| 21:27.04 | foxlit | they redirect all project subpages to the description page. |
| 21:28.23 | Funkeh` | :/ |
| 21:28.37 | Funkeh` | at least you can still link directly |
| 21:29.05 | MooreaTv | if your flicker problem is same as mine you can "solve" it using dx11 (nvidia mess) |
| 21:29.18 | Mr_Rabies | that's actually what causes it, MooreaTv |
| 21:29.30 | MooreaTv | try dx11 legacy then |
| 21:29.35 | foxlit | I can update the bookmarks to use the new URL scheme, but bleh, everything about this screams "we are incompetent." |
| 21:29.48 | Mr_Rabies | if i do directx 12 it doesn't do it, but they turn off aero in windows 7 if you use dx12 right now |
| 21:29.58 | Mr_Rabies | though it seems they're adding a cvar to re-enable aero |
| 21:30.13 | Mr_Rabies | which hopefully will fix my screen tearing with DX12 added in the patch too |
| 21:33.53 | MooreaTv | ie `-d3d11legacy` on command line. though if you say you're using windows7 then... you get what you deserve ;-) ? |
| 21:34.18 | Funkeh` | foxlit: I don't really see the big deal myself. A lot of the teething issues are already solved. |
| 21:36.56 | Corrodias | what i deserve is apparently a stable OS that doesn't have something significant break every 6 months |
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| 21:40.33 | Funkeh` | I disagree. Smaller, more frequent updates with less breakage is better than slower, huge updates with breakage that can require rewriting vast parts of a program |
| 21:40.44 | foxlit | Funkeh`: https://go-hero.net/i/c19pn7gl.png |
| 21:41.26 | Funkeh` | what url is that? |
| 21:41.41 | foxlit | every. page. on. the. site. |
| 21:41.47 | Corrodias | are we talking about windows? because windows 10 achieved the more frequent updates but hasn't yet gotten to the "less breakage" part |
| 21:41.57 | Funkeh` | I'm not seeing that |
| 21:42.34 | Funkeh` | Yes we are talking about windows and yes there is less breakage between the 6 month patches than there was between every major OS release |
| 21:43.29 | Funkeh` | Unless you are talking about specifically broken user-facing features, which is simply down to bad QA |
| 21:44.02 | Funkeh` | But the entire software development landscape has awful QA when compared to 15 years ago |
| 21:44.20 | Corrodias | we wouldn't have had another major OS release yet, and if we did, most likely they'd be fresh installations rather than upgrades |
| 21:44.45 | Funkeh` | that changes literally nothing |
| 21:45.13 | Corrodias | i mean, it sure changes things when one of your upgrades deletes the user's OneDrive files |
| 21:45.51 | Funkeh` | that's not software breakage, that's bad QA yet again, since it was reported and not actioned on |
| 21:46.08 | Corrodias | not sure how you're differentiating between software breakage and "bad QA" |
| 21:46.16 | Corrodias | QA catches things breaking, no? |
| 21:46.17 | foxlit | Funkeh`: I'm not seeing that << sure, but you're probably using a different browser on a different platform. |
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| 21:46.27 | Funkeh` | software breakage, i.e. do I need to make changes to the program I wrote |
| 21:46.52 | Corrodias | ah... there has been a good amount of that with Windows 10 updates, too |
| 21:47.14 | Funkeh` | It is minor when compared to the past OS releases |
| 21:47.19 | Corrodias | i've seen a lot of "updated to work with Windows 10 release xxxx" notes in change logs |
| 21:47.41 | Corrodias | maybe. anyway, that's not what bothers me. |
| 21:48.04 | Funkeh` | Yes, what bothers you is bad QA, and that wouldn't change at all if we were still doing major OS releases |
| 21:48.09 | Corrodias | when i said "less breakage" i thought we were talking about the OS breaking. |
| 21:48.14 | Funkeh` | the only difference is every release would be branded "another vista" |
| 21:48.40 | Corrodias | well sure, except i can - and am - using an old one until they fix the QA problems. |
| 21:49.09 | Funkeh` | QA problems are not going to get fixed, it is an industry problem where QA just isn't the professional job it used to be |
| 21:49.24 | Funkeh` | your best bet is doing what businesses do and stay behind the edge |
| 21:50.55 | Funkeh` | foxlit: i've tried firefox and chrome, what other browsers exist? xD |
| 21:51.28 | foxlit | safari. |
| 21:51.57 | Funkeh` | oh dear |
| 21:54.15 | foxlit | it fares about the same on ios, so that's... everyone with an iphone? |
| 21:56.29 | Funkeh` | ok apparently it's a known problem on safari |
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| 22:07.15 | Funkeh` | "Yeah, Safari has a big issue with min-height: 100vh because for whatever reason, Safari thinks min-height means lol thats how big its going to be no matter what" |
| 22:08.33 | Corrodias | wild |
| 22:13.29 | Mr_Rabies | not my link but this is exactly what mine is doing https://clips.twitch.tv/HumbleVastPeppermintAllenHuhu |
| 22:13.45 | Mr_Rabies | i was like "oh great wow blew up another video card" |
| 22:15.32 | Funkeh` | are you using some inferior graphics card they have deemed too old |
| 22:15.39 | Mr_Rabies | <MooreaTv> ie `-d3d11legacy` on command line. though if you say you're using windows7 then... you get what you deserve ;-) ? |
| 22:15.55 | MooreaTv | yes? |
| 22:15.57 | Mr_Rabies | i really don't get this mindset, it's still fully supported by microsoft, it's not like i'm using xp or anything |
| 22:16.20 | Mr_Rabies | windows 7 is so much better in my opinion than windows 10, and i've extensively used windows 10 at work |
| 22:16.32 | Mr_Rabies | i hate so many little things in it that it makes the whole thing frustrating to use |
| 22:16.32 | Funkeh` | for 6 months more sure |
| 22:16.35 | Corrodias | that's weird. reminds me of something similar WoW used to do back in vanilla on my old old old computer. driver thing, probably, at the time. |
| 22:16.48 | MooreaTv | do you think you'd want to support your addon for vanilla+bc+wotlk+...+classic+bfa ? |
| 22:17.31 | Mr_Rabies | i mean there are definitely people that made addons only for vanilla and kept updating them |
| 22:18.10 | Mr_Rabies | not to mention if you go back to vanilla and use a vanilla addon, it'll still work almost 100% of the time |
| 22:18.53 | Mr_Rabies | as much as i hate linux i may end up swapping to that if Proton continues improving |
| 22:18.58 | Corrodias | speaking of QA, Nvidia is a far worse offender than MS ever has been |
| 22:19.00 | Mr_Rabies | i hate windows 10 that much |
| 22:19.13 | MooreaTv | there is a huge difference between 2 independent and N |
| 22:19.45 | Funkeh` | Corrodias: you should see AMD xD |
| 22:20.08 | MooreaTv | windows10 is actually the first decent version of windows ever, in no small part thanks to WSL |
| 22:20.13 | foxlit | Funkeh`: I don't think that's correct. They're have a height:100% element inside a flexbox column container, which is... interesting semantically. |
| 22:21.33 | Mr_Rabies | windows 10 is an inconsistent mess that keeps breaking itself with updates, spies on its users, and generally has terrible UX, destroying decades of legacy stuff that worked to appeal to idiots that can't install a printer |
| 22:22.23 | foxlit | Safari treats that element as having height 0, which causes their outer container to assume its min-height. |
| 22:22.30 | Mr_Rabies | any operating system that you cannot take the kid gloves off of is not worth using |
| 22:22.34 | MooreaTv | I guess talking about OSes is like emacs vs vi or other useless discussions |
| 22:22.54 | Corrodias | mm. yeah i imagine AMD has its issues, too, but... |
| 22:23.14 | Mr_Rabies | if there was a windows 10 ultimate edition that let you totally remove swaths of useless bullshit i might use it |
| 22:23.23 | Corrodias | trying to find a decent driver for nvidia has always been a challenge. i'm on one a few years old now because they broke windowed g-sync and just didn't ever fix it. |
| 22:23.28 | Mr_Rabies | but as it stands, LTSB is the closest thing and I can't legally get a license for that |
| 22:25.06 | Corrodias | i believe you can turn off a lot of things, but you can't change the UI much |
| 22:27.28 | Corrodias | i'm actually interested in running w10; i'm just hoping they get to a point where the updates get more stable. MS has to be capable, if anyone is. |
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| 22:40.32 | Mr_Rabies | well they used to be but like most of the rest of the tech industry they've kinda gone to shit lately |
| 22:41.27 | Simca | Mr_Rabies: you can take the kid gloves off. you can change literally every little tiny thing until it's basically just a win7 clone if you want. |
| 22:41.46 | Mr_Rabies | only if you get a corporate license version |
| 22:41.52 | Simca | nah |
| 22:42.01 | Simca | registry editing is good enough |
| 22:42.20 | Mr_Rabies | until you brick your OS when a new OS update comes out and expects things to be there |
| 22:42.34 | Mr_Rabies | i did that with my work computer once :v |
| 22:43.02 | Simca | % of computers that have been bricked by updates is extremely small |
| 22:43.03 | yalb | Simca: sandbox:1: syntax error near 'computers' |
| 22:43.32 | Mr_Rabies | i personally know 3 people whose installs were bricked until i fixed them, and they don't tweak every little setting like me |
| 22:44.06 | Mr_Rabies | the fix in almost every case is just a reinstall but keeping files and hoping nothing gets lost in the process |
| 22:44.15 | Mr_Rabies | since it wasn't my computer in those cases i have no clue if they lost anything lol |
| 22:45.12 | Simca | i have a pretty nuts setup and have had no issues. last update that ruined an install for me was in win 8.1, and before that, win7 |
| 22:45.25 | Mr_Rabies | i really should get a NAS for backups sometime |
| 22:45.53 | Mr_Rabies | despite being a total data packrat, i don't do proper, regular backups |
| 22:46.02 | Mr_Rabies | if i swapped to win10 that would be a necessity |
| 22:46.12 | Mr_Rabies | since every major OS update is a reinstall anyway |
| 22:46.17 | Corrodias | setting up a good NAS is pretty easy. you should. |
| 22:46.23 | Simca | pssh |
| 22:46.41 | Mr_Rabies | i love how the candy crush ads pop back up everytime too |
| 22:46.54 | Simca | even if you manage to screw up your install so badly you get bricked by an update, data recovery should be easy |
| 22:47.00 | Mr_Rabies | i remember there was a time period where people hated popup ads in their software |
| 22:48.48 | Corrodias | is that the "start menu suggestions" option that can be turned off but shouldn't exist in the first place? |
| 22:49.39 | Mr_Rabies | no, that's the one that pops on new apps without asking from time to time |
| 22:49.41 | Simca | i don't even know what he's talking about, so maybe. i would have turned that off immediately |
| 22:50.05 | Mr_Rabies | i've seen the candy crush ads in the start menu show up after a major OS install on every computer i've ever used with windows 10 |
| 22:50.14 | Mr_Rabies | er major os update |
| 22:50.30 | Corrodias | mm. so, it's automatically installed |
| 22:50.33 | Corrodias | not just an ad |
| 22:50.39 | Mr_Rabies | the actual app isn't, in this case |
| 22:50.46 | Mr_Rabies | just an ad |
| 22:50.51 | Mr_Rabies | that takes you to the windows store |
| 22:51.07 | Mr_Rabies | but start menu suggestions does install apps that it thinks you might like |
| 22:51.35 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.howtogeek.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/img_57c4cc90ee5ab.jpg.pagespeed.ce.DIm9vUufGV.jpg |
| 22:51.36 | Mr_Rabies | this junk |
| 22:51.41 | Mr_Rabies | that comes back after you remove it |
| 22:52.10 | Simca | i've never seen it |
| 22:52.23 | Mr_Rabies | hmm, are you in europe? |
| 22:52.33 | Corrodias | then you may be using Server 2016, Simca? |
| 22:52.40 | Simca | nope |
| 22:52.42 | Mr_Rabies | maybe they have something in place where certain countries don't get them? |
| 22:52.47 | Simca | win10 pro, US |
| 22:52.56 | Mr_Rabies | could be because it's pro, maybe |
| 22:53.06 | Corrodias | pretty sure it's there in Pro, but i can't say for sure |
| 22:53.09 | Mr_Rabies | nah, my friend has pro |
| 22:53.15 | Mr_Rabies | and his keep coming back after every big update |
| 22:53.37 | Corrodias | i've seen them on the few installations i've done as well |
| 22:53.45 | Mr_Rabies | https://www.howtogeek.com/269331/how-to-disable-all-of-windows-10s-built-in-advertising/ |
| 22:53.57 | Simca | i remember having it after the initial install but it hasn't come back |
| 22:54.03 | Mr_Rabies | jesus seeing all this in a row like this really hits home as to why i hate win10 |
| 22:54.27 | Mr_Rabies | These apps are installed as part of the âMicrosoft Consumer Experienceâ. There was a group policy setting to disable this, but it was removed from consumer versions of Windows 10 in the Anniversary Update. Only Windows 10 Enterprise usersânot even Windows 10 Professional usersâcan turn this off. |
| 22:55.04 | Mr_Rabies | it actually wiped the custom shortcuts i had on windows 10 to put candy crush ads there on my work pc |
| 22:56.08 | Corrodias | classy |
| 22:56.13 | Simca | i almost never use the start menu honestly. maybe once every 6 months |
| 22:56.41 | Simca | i hit the win key, type first few letters of app name, hit enter before i even see the result most of the time |
| 22:57.01 | Mr_Rabies | that's great until it's got you binging for cmd.exe in internet explorer |
| 22:57.08 | Simca | you can disable that |
| 22:57.15 | Simca | (and i had to for that reason) |
| 22:57.27 | Simca | you can force it to only fetch local results |
| 22:58.48 | Corrodias | so many tweaks needed just to make it work well |
| 22:58.57 | Corrodias | at least most of those things *can* be changed... most. |
| 22:59.00 | Mr_Rabies | and most of them turn off after a major OS update |
| 22:59.07 | Mr_Rabies | so you gotta make a list of all the junk you want to change |
| 22:59.12 | Mr_Rabies | i just hate the whole idea of it |
| 22:59.21 | Simca | virtually none of it changes after an OS update |
| 22:59.23 | Corrodias | i suspect there are programs that have whole lists of shit they can do |
| 22:59.29 | Corrodias | "virtually none" => some |
| 22:59.44 | Mr_Rabies | i used one of those and somehow managed to totally break network sharing on my work pc for a bit |
| 22:59.48 | Corrodias | you wouldn't even know. you don't use the start menu. |
| 22:59.49 | Simca | i had one setting reenable itself once because they altered the way it worked |
| 23:00.10 | Mr_Rabies | i could manually get to computers via \\PCNAME |
| 23:00.19 | Mr_Rabies | but they would never populate in the network area |
| 23:00.26 | Simca | windows network sharing is so bad |
| 23:00.29 | Corrodias | i don't think i've ever had that work, in any version of Windows |
| 23:00.33 | Simca | ^^^^ |
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| 23:00.48 | Mr_Rabies | i've never had an issue with it using xp, vista, or 7 |
| 23:00.49 | Corrodias | it might, on my current setup. let's see. |
| 23:00.50 | Simca | literally never works right unless you use \\PCNAME syntax |
| 23:01.00 | Mr_Rabies | and i've used it extensively on all of those |
| 23:01.03 | Simca | i spent literally hours trying to make it work in the past on many different versions |
| 23:01.07 | Mr_Rabies | i used to host lan parties |
| 23:01.13 | Corrodias | *some* stuff shows up. most doesn't. |
| 23:01.20 | Simca | host lan parties with network sharing? |
| 23:01.27 | Simca | what game uses that method |
| 23:01.27 | Mr_Rabies | well with my friends |
| 23:01.34 | Mr_Rabies | no, we would share files |
| 23:01.47 | Simca | ah yeah |
| 23:01.58 | Mr_Rabies | in the olden days of lan parties and having music files on your computer |
| 23:04.01 | Corrodias | i'm pleasantly surprised it worked that well for ya |
| 23:04.33 | Simca | the entire windows network sharing setup is awful. they can't change how it works because it would break everything |
| 23:04.47 | Simca | but the initial design idea is just so inherently terrible that it is embarrassing |
| 23:05.00 | Mr_Rabies | heck i use it with a WDTV to play video files in my theater room still |
| 23:05.18 | Mr_Rabies | when i seriously start using that again i'll probably get an nvidia shield or something though |
| 23:05.27 | Simca | the idea that you would be part of a single workgroup on a computer-basis (not a user-basis) was outdated even for the time |
| 23:05.29 | Mr_Rabies | it can't play hi10p content at all |
| 23:05.54 | Mr_Rabies | but even that, with kodi |
| 23:05.57 | Mr_Rabies | uses SMB stuff |
| 23:06.23 | Simca | anyway, the two big upsides of Win10 are proper multi-monitor support with better font scaling and WSL. that is worth a few hours of headaches that occurs once (i have never had any recurring issues). |
| 23:06.53 | Simca | being able to intermix cmd and bash is just so great |
| 23:06.55 | Mr_Rabies | i use 2 monitors without issue fine in windows 7, but maybe once you get past that it gets iffy |
| 23:06.57 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno |
| 23:07.26 | Mr_Rabies | my mIRC and some other stuff is on my old 1680x1050 monitor, and my main monitor is 1080p |
| 23:07.29 | Mr_Rabies | no issues at all |
| 23:07.44 | Mr_Rabies | they actually seem to have pretty similar panels in them so even though they don't match color accuracy is pretty spot on |
| 23:08.15 | Corrodias | 10 can do, like, individual DPI scaling per monitor |
| 23:08.28 | Corrodias | bit of a weird option, but i've seen someone using it at work |
| 23:08.48 | Simca | it's an issue if you have a 4k monitor and a 1080p monitor together |
| 23:09.05 | Simca | in older windows versions |
| 23:09.43 | Corrodias | yeah, that guy has a nice, big one and a little laptop |
| 23:10.05 | Mr_Rabies | i dunno, i've never had an issue with windows's default DPI scaling but then again i don't see myself getting a 4k monitor anytime soon |
| 23:10.12 | Mr_Rabies | not unless it's 30+ inches |
| 23:10.50 | Mr_Rabies | i don't really see a major difference on a small screen, but then again i need glasses to read stuff far away |
| 23:23.40 | Alram | +MuteSoundFile |
| 23:23.40 | Alram | +MuteSoundFile Error - Invalid fileDataID for sound. |
| 23:23.40 | Alram | +UnmuteSoundFile |
| 23:23.40 | Alram | +UnmuteSoundFile Error - Invalid fileDataID for sound. |
| 23:23.41 | Alram | +Usage: MuteSoundFile("soundFile" or fileDataID) |
| 23:23.42 | Alram | +Usage: UnmuteSoundFile("soundFile" or fileDataID) |
| 23:23.44 | Alram | i guess that is technically a fix |
| 23:23.47 | Alram | :D |
| 23:23.58 | Alram | (new build) |
| 23:31.10 | Funkeh` | Dunno why not ReplaceSoundFile(id, irOrPath) |
| 23:31.55 | nevcairiel | because they are probably happier to just allow muting and not actually replacement |
| 23:32.18 | Funkeh` | I wondered that, but they blocked replacing textures whilst allowed sounds all this time |
| 23:33.29 | Funkeh` | also why the f did they create a bunch of global API instead of using tables and documenting it |
| 23:34.07 | Alram | this was a "fix it quickly please" kind of thing i think |
| 23:34.36 | Funkeh` | is there not a GetAllMutedSounds or something? |
| 23:34.56 | Funkeh` | perhaps all mutes need reapplied every log in |
| 23:35.20 | Alram | not that i was able to find by diffing binaries |
| 23:35.21 | nevcairiel | I would assume it needs re-applying |
| 23:35.43 | Alram | i wouldnt be surprised if this will end up requiring an addon or something to keep track |
| 23:36.33 | nevcairiel | if its not persistent, which I hope it isn't, then it should be without big complications, but you might want an addon to simply run it for the sounds you care about |
| 23:37.13 | Funkeh` | gonna whip something up and see how well it works |
| 23:43.19 | Alram | am curious, let me know how it goes |
| 23:46.22 | Alram | someone with a US account let https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/t/ui-changes-in-rise-of-azshara/202487/41 know |
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| 23:50.14 | Ketho | ["ForceAllowAero"] = {"0", "CategoryGraphics", "Force Direct X 12 on Windows 7 to not disable Aero theme. You are opting into crashing in some edge cases"}, |
| 23:53.06 | Ketho | I think the discord bot couldn't relay my last message |
| 23:53.31 | Alram | hi |
| 23:53.41 | Alram | and no it did not |
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| 23:59.34 | Stanzilla | :E |
