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| 04:56.04 | Chipzz | foxlit: but that's not what the X- prefix means. Conventiontally X- (HTTP, Email) is used for user-created extensions outside the official namespace. And since a Globe header falls pretty much outside of Blizzards realm... |
| 04:56.55 | Chipzz | theoretically the .toc parser would be right to reject a file with a Globe header in it |
| 04:57.41 | Chipzz | it being available through GetAddonMetadata is a side-effect IMO |
| 04:59.08 | nebula | except it doesn't reject it so that's a pointless argument |
| 05:15.54 | Chipzz | nebula: except the Blizzards parser did get more strict (rejecting empty .lua files, complains about missing fies references frmo XML), I think with the release of 8.0, so there's no garantee it won't in the future either |
| 05:16.17 | Chipzz | *missing files referenced |
| 05:16.51 | Chipzz | and they would be perfectly in their right to do so |
| 05:17.26 | Mr_Rabies | i mean they would be perfectly in their right to entirely disable third party addons, but that would probably upset some folks |
| 05:17.38 | Chipzz | that's not the same |
| 05:17.52 | Chipzz | apples and oranges |
| 05:17.56 | nebula | talking about what-ifs is also pointless |
| 05:18.11 | Mr_Rabies | i see whatever mmo they do next removing a lot of customization if not all of it |
| 05:18.31 | Chipzz | like I said, comparing with empty lua files is a more appropriate comparison |
| 05:18.34 | Mr_Rabies | blizzard seems to be operating on increasing margins and decreasing costs and practically nothing else nowadays |
| 05:19.09 | Mr_Rabies | free modding tools are unfortunately drying up everywhere |
| 05:19.15 | nebula | there's no diagnostic purpose of rejecting an addon because the toc fields aren't to spec |
| 05:19.30 | Chipzz | actually there is, catching typos |
| 05:19.49 | nebula | if anything it would throw those errors in the framexml log |
| 05:19.51 | Chipzz | there's also no purpose in rejecting empty lua files |
| 05:19.57 | nebula | it doesn't |
| 05:20.02 | Chipzz | it does |
| 05:20.14 | nebula | the error doesn't stop the addon from running |
| 05:20.14 | Chipzz | try touch'ing an empty file |
| 05:20.25 | Chipzz | *empty .lua file |
| 05:20.40 | nebula | i'm well aware of their changes |
| 05:20.42 | Chipzz | and reference that from your .toc |
| 05:21.03 | nebula | you can turn off scriptErrors and it's like nothing changed |
| 05:22.08 | Chipzz | the point is that the semantics of X- are not "these fields are exposed through GetAddonMetadata"; the semantics are "we don't know how to handle these (X-) fields neither do we care to, so we'll expose them through API so addons can handle them" |
| 05:22.14 | Chipzz | notice the nuance difference |
| 05:24.22 | Chipzz | GetAddonMetadata additionally exposes Author, Title, Notes, Version |
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| 07:11.01 | MooreaTv | testing 1 2 3 |
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| 07:11.55 | MooreaTv | downloaded an irc client and created an account just to say I agree with Chipzz :) |
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| 07:20.37 | blusadcow | quack! |
| 07:21.10 | MooreaTv | ducks? |
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| 07:35.58 | foxlit | https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc6648 |
| 07:38.56 | MooreaTv | yeah I saw that but despite this thing coming in 2012 X- is still used for non standard headers everywhere (and in wow) |
| 07:39.20 | MooreaTv | also it's from cisco main author :p |
| 07:41.13 | MooreaTv | it's probably some politically charged question but why is anyone using irc instead of discord :-p ? (and I wrote both irc client and servers back in the days but... each tech has its time) |
| 07:41.34 | nebula | because this predates discord by 10 years |
| 07:41.38 | MooreaTv | (outside of operations/siteops/netops/prod I mean; ie for leisure) |
| 07:45.04 | foxlit | I also see no reason to care about this at present: it works just fine, both in wow and elsewhere. Inferring semantics from undocumented binary behavior seems... meh. |
| 07:45.31 | MooreaTv | and? (fax predates email but do you use fax if you don't have to?) |
| 07:46.14 | MooreaTv | ^ that's for nebula |
| 07:46.44 | nebula | it's a community, it's existed for a long time |
| 07:46.49 | nebula | that's not a good comparison |
| 07:47.37 | foxlit | discord has anti-features: persistent global logging, editing messages, typing indications etc |
| 07:47.42 | MooreaTv | it's for that classic feel :-) |
| 07:51.15 | foxlit | ... retroactive moderation, phone number registration... |
| 07:52.19 | nevcairiel | i would love to be able to edit messages on IRC sometimes, if only for a minute or two after posting it to get rid of typos :D |
| 07:52.33 | MooreaTv | I didn't give any phone # |
| 07:53.03 | MooreaTv | and yes a lot of those features are features not anti features but to each their own taste |
| 07:55.02 | MooreaTv | accent test à |
| 07:55.52 | MooreaTv | do you see A with acute accent or A with something else and a box ^ |
| 07:56.13 | nevcairiel | works fine here |
| 07:56.26 | nevcairiel | the discord bridge just screws it u p |
| 07:57.01 | MooreaTv | another utf8 test ä¹ä¹ (ping pong) |
| 07:57.51 | MooreaTv | so the cute paddles show up here (utf8 is now standard encoding for messages on irc ?) |
| 07:58.11 | haste | it's been for at least the past ten years |
| 07:58.19 | nevcairiel | not sure they look like paddles, but yeah they show |
| 07:59.03 | MooreaTv | :+1 |
| 07:59.15 | nevcairiel | can even use ð on IRC, but it always makes me feel dirty |
| 07:59.37 | MooreaTv | :+1: try #2 |
| 07:59.50 | haste | ð® |
| 08:00.19 | nebula | ð¤¦â |
| 08:00.40 | nevcairiel | you have to insert actual unicode emoji chars, or get a client that supports such tags for you and makes an emoji out of it :p |
| 08:01.50 | MooreaTv | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ |
| 08:02.20 | haste | I have my client handle slack emojis as well |
| 08:02.28 | MooreaTv | at least this irc client doesn't auto embed and discord doesn't auto play :) |
| 08:10.27 | MooreaTv | is there a StaticPopupDialogs option for "password" text field (ie echoed with * instead of showing) |
| 08:10.45 | nebula | no |
| 08:14.54 | MooreaTv | bummer but thx for the quick reply |
| 08:15.28 | MooreaTv | if there is a callback maybe I can hack it by getting the characters so far and replacing them by * ? |
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| 08:16.05 | nebula | i wouldn't recommend staticpopupdialog to do that, you could probably hack an editbox to get something like that |
| 08:17.19 | nevcairiel | messing with staticpopupdialog too much is taint prone, so yeah, make your own then |
| 08:18.09 | AcidWeb | why you even need it? You harvest cvv numbers in-game? ð |
| 08:19.04 | MooreaTv | lol |
| 08:19.26 | MooreaTv | no I want to ask the user for channel password |
| 08:19.29 | MooreaTv | to pick one |
| 08:19.36 | nevcairiel | just show it |
| 08:20.06 | AcidWeb | yeah |
| 08:20.11 | MooreaTv | I have a slash command for it but I'd like a UI too (my first... been writing addon since 10+ years ago but never had any ui outside of /cmd) |
| 08:20.34 | MooreaTv | I don't want to show it because of streaming |
| 08:22.39 | MooreaTv | I did notice that some dialog does pop up if the channel already exist and the password doesn't match |
| 08:24.02 | MooreaTv | but that dialog does echo it too |
| 08:25.36 | MooreaTv | fstack shows it as StaticPopup1 |
| 08:26.58 | nebula | oh i lied, editbox does have a password field :SetPassword() |
| 08:27.47 | MooreaTv | https://wow.gamepedia.com/API_EditBox_SetPassword |
| 08:27.51 | MooreaTv | cool |
| 08:28.22 | MooreaTv | just need to find a tutorial on using my first edit box |
| 08:38.47 | MooreaTv | is there a guarantee a C_Ticker won't get called before the previous one is finished (maybe because everything is single threaded anyway?) |
| 08:39.19 | MooreaTv | ^C_Ticker^C_Timer.NewTicker (where is my edit button) |
| 08:39.44 | nebula | eh? it'll tick when it ticks, what previous one? |
| 08:40.11 | MooreaTv | let's say the previous one takes more than 1 second |
| 08:40.54 | MooreaTv | and it's C_Timer.NewTicker(1, foo) |
| 08:41.03 | nebula | like you callback takes longer than a second to run? wow will have issues with that |
| 08:41.04 | MooreaTv | and foo dicks around for more than 1 sec |
| 08:41.38 | MooreaTv | you mean it'd kill the UI somehow, so it's not possible |
| 08:41.53 | nebula | but no, it's not like the function will yield to the new call |
| 08:42.05 | MooreaTv | a slightly different question is if it's 1 sec after the end of previous one or every second on the dot |
| 08:42.42 | nebula | the latter |
| 08:42.51 | MooreaTv | (however precise the wow clock may be... but... does it gets delayed by the duration of the function) |
| 08:43.21 | MooreaTv | so in theory they could pile up |
| 08:44.01 | nebula | wow will just kill it and error if it takes too long |
| 08:44.04 | MooreaTv | but in practice 1 second is loooong (wonder though, sometimes stuff gets locked up while loading/zoning... so do you get 2 or more calls back to back because several seconds elapsed?) |
| 08:44.29 | MooreaTv | or if your machine is swapping wow out for a bit |
| 08:44.49 | nebula | if you're functions are taking that long, you need to worry about what you're fucking up there instead of wondering how wow will handle it |
| 08:51.38 | MooreaTv | 1 sec of lag happens but I think the answer is everything is serialized/single threaded anyway |
| 08:51.55 | MooreaTv | (for addons) |
| 08:52.26 | nebula | yes |
| 08:55.13 | MooreaTv | k I fixed a possible infinite retry loop; now... my first UI, any pointed on editbox ? |
| 08:55.18 | MooreaTv | pointer even |
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| 12:03.30 | WobLight | hello, should finding a way to filter a keypress with arbitrary condition in combat be reported as a bug? |
| 12:04.33 | LenweSaralonde | I don't think so |
| 12:05.23 | foxlit | next up: if you overlay a giant button over the entire screen, you can arbitrarily prevent the user from clicking on stuff. Tune in at 11 for more. |
| 12:07.22 | nevcairiel | Preventing input is not hard, if you can redirect it to some arbitrary secure button, that would be another thing |
| 12:08.55 | WobLight | than you can do something like use dispell only if the target has a certain buff, doesn't seem very good. well I'm not playing wow since cata so I won't know |
| 12:09.36 | WobLight | but I see foxlit point |
| 12:09.39 | foxlit | (to be fair, you could bot rotations by spamming a single key/button click and arbitrarily denying input, but that ship has probably sailed) |
| 12:13.39 | foxlit | The fix is would be to get rid of SetPropagatesKeyboardStuff and making protected frames top-most in combat? |
| 12:15.06 | nevcairiel | well sure you can make a key that dispels a specific person, and you can smash it until there is something to dispel |
| 12:15.30 | nevcairiel | but as long as you cant make a key that dispels different people depending on who has a debuff, its probably fine. |
| 12:15.38 | nebula | make it cycle through the raid and ship it! |
| 12:18.32 | foxlit | clearly time to implement Decursive for classic. |
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| 12:37.06 | VIad | time to find a 40 button macro keyboard and setup each button to each secure button ingame. place keyboard at the floor. get a large book and place it face down onto the keyboard. gently place foot on top of book. apply pressure to dispell the raid. apply pressure several times if needed. |
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| 14:38.21 | bluspacecow | https://assassinscreed.ubisoft.com/story-creator-mode/en-au/discover |
| 14:38.22 | bluspacecow | eeeeeeeeeeeee |
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| 14:41.01 | Fisker | fffffffffffffffff |
| 14:42.57 | bluspacecow | gggggggggggggggg |
| 14:51.14 | Fisker | Very well |
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| 16:08.55 | MooreaTv | good morning/evening/night |
| 16:09.17 | AcidWeb | There is always day here. |
| 16:09.55 | AcidWeb | Fire from burning dumpster called BfA provide enough light. |
| 16:12.54 | MooreaTv | lol. wtb classic beta access :) |
| 16:14.36 | AcidWeb | Same fire just with nostalgic smell. |
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| 16:36.03 | MooreaTv | the ptr is up, so I tried my addons work there, can I already change my interface version to 80200 and if I do what happens in _retail_ if the version is higher than the game ? (also why can't we put more than one interface in the toc... ) |
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| 16:41.46 | nevcairiel | It shows as outdated if it's a mismatch |
| 16:42.53 | MooreaTv | ah so any not exactly equal is "outdated" bummer. if anyone here has contact at blizz, ask them to support multiple interface lines, would help with patch releases but also for classic vs retail |
| 16:47.07 | nevcairiel | For PTR it's really not that relevant. Just update it the day the patch comes out |
| 16:49.56 | MooreaTv | well if you tested already why have to be there the day of patch to push a ton of updates that are 1 line changes, it's quite wasteful. and yes for classic it'll be ongoing sillyness to have 2 zip with the exact same content but 1 line of 1 file |
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| 17:18.27 | bluspacecow | *sigh* |
| 17:21.13 | mikma | ya |
| 17:22.13 | bluspacecow | dang fussy home connection. had to tither to my phone to get things working |
| 17:28.59 | bluspacecow | 379 ms on classic tho. not bad. |
| 18:18.28 | Simca | i hope this long maintenance is to deal with server stability. i've been having loads of issues with it recently. |
| 18:18.52 | Simca | low latency to world, low latency to home, high FPS, 10+ sec delays on casts or actions in dazar'alor |
| 18:20.05 | Simca | it's pretty funny because 9 times out of 10, you will disconnect on using a spell cast to leave like the dalaran hearthstone. i think it's because your client tries to do the world transition before the server has acknowledged that you even started casting a spell |
| 18:20.16 | Simca | so you're almost trapped in the lag shard |
| 18:20.55 | Simca | using physical transitions or something without a cast time is a lot more reliable, but even that can fail |
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| 20:44.25 | MooreaTv | so... about to start my first UI for my addon... any reco for basic editbox tutorial (googling doesn't really find much) |
| 20:50.25 | znf | whatever you do, you probably want to use the Ace3 library for all the UI stuff |
| 21:06.29 | MooreaTv | well yes I expected "use a lib" but I want to learn the internals/details first (then maybe use a library and see how much simpler it does get) |
| 21:10.30 | kd3 | if you really want to go down that route, extract the default UI and see what it does |
| 21:10.32 | kd3 | https://wow.gamepedia.com/Viewing_Blizzard%27s_interface_code |
| 21:14.43 | MooreaTv | hmm |
| 21:15.06 | kd3 | there's a few links at the bottom that have mirrors of the UI code you can look through online |
| 21:31.29 | MooreaTv | yeah I saw those are useful but not exactly a tutorial |
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| 22:36.56 | MooreaTv | looks like StaticPopupDialogs does everything I need |
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