| 01:14.02 | Semlar | nice https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/clickmorph |
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| 01:46.25 | Ketho | dancing Jaina looks nice too https://streamable.com/7cqvm |
| 01:49.14 | Semlar | yeah let's talk about how the addon modifies character models |
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| 02:02.27 | Semlar | i'm actually more interested in how this managed to get past someone at curse manually approving addons when i had one rejected for not having a good enough image for it once |
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| 03:04.23 | znf | Steam has a word limit on their Reviews |
| 03:04.24 | znf | wtf |
| 03:04.25 | znf | :-| |
| 03:04.55 | znf | I can't fit my whole review :( |
| 03:05.38 | Corrodias | huh. it's quite a large limit, but i didn't think about whether there would be one. |
| 03:06.11 | znf | it's clearly less than 10.000 characters |
| 03:06.22 | znf | around ~8000 |
| 03:07.24 | znf | Sorry, some kind of error has occurred: Comments must be less than 1000 characters in length. |
| 03:07.26 | znf | OH MY GOD |
| 03:07.54 | Corrodias | that can't possibly be correct |
| 03:08.00 | Corrodias | i've seen *long* reviews |
| 03:08.39 | Arrowmaster | and tornade just formed right after storm went over |
| 03:09.01 | znf | 8066, specifically, Corrodias |
| 03:09.08 | znf | it cuts out at 8066 characters |
| 03:09.21 | Corrodias | that i can believe |
| 03:09.29 | znf | I had 10003 |
| 03:10.12 | znf | So, yeah, tl;dr - don't bother trying "Grim Dawn" |
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| 09:42.08 | foxlit | Semlar: but that's obvious. The people moderating uploads probably have no domain knowledge and just skim through the "is the description an ad for viagra? does the library have a screenshot?" checklist |
| 09:44.09 | Semlar | whomp whomp |
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| 14:53.24 | Tercioo | Cairenn Hi, any news on your classic beta invites? |
| 14:55.18 | Cairenn | I sent in the ones I had, what and when Blizzard allocates them is beyond my control. Sorry, can't give you anything more than that. =/ |
| 15:20.24 | nebula | too bad they don't do keys anymore |
| 15:30.45 | WobLight | Hello, I wrote a prototype of a framework as a sort of experiment for vanilla, now I was considering to refine it for classic (porting is mostly done as roots are just in lua and UI is still very simple), but I have no experience in addon developing on retail, so I was wondering if anyone here would be interested into having a look at it to see whether there are ideas worth to be developed. |
| 15:31.55 | WobLight | it's an OO framework inspired after Qt |
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| 16:20.17 | WobLight | connection dropped, also I forgot, is it ok to link my old reddit post about the frameowork there? |
| 16:21.54 | TSquare | Good Morning |
| 16:24.25 | bluspacecow | oh hai |
| 16:28.44 | Cairenn | hey |
| 16:32.22 | WobLight | how to view the purl chat log? |
| 16:45.04 | Cairenn | http://infobot.rikers.org/%23wowi-lounge/ |
| 16:45.52 | WobLight | ty |
| 16:52.08 | foxlit | WobLight: you can link anything you want to. |
| 16:52.43 | foxlit | (nobody replied; purl chat logs seem.... very spotty recently. Cairenn's link is from the wrong decade) |
| 16:53.14 | MiRai | I'm guessing it should be - http://infobot.rikers.org/%23wowuidev/ |
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| 16:53.45 | nebula | purl doesn't seem to have been very reliable as of late |
| 16:55.44 | Ketho | gently pats purl on the head |
| 16:56.45 | Ketho | purl is now for patting only |
| 16:57.33 | Cairenn | oh, whoops, sorry about that |
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| 17:09.07 | bluspacecow | the discord IRC-Mirror channels better for history |
| 17:10.36 | foxlit | if you want history, use a forum. |
| 17:10.47 | WobLight | yeah I checked the purl log and looks rather old |
| 17:11.11 | WobLight | this is my old post about the framework: https://new.reddit.com/r/LegacyAddons/comments/8p0nwk/emeraldframework/ |
| 17:11.14 | nebula | we just need a ShitSemlarSays twitter |
| 17:12.56 | WobLight | which is the "mainstream" forum for wow addons dev, wowinterface's one? |
| 17:28.58 | nevcairiel | Just to control expectations, big OO frameworks have fallen out of favor with many addon developers over the years |
| 17:34.32 | foxlit | "Totally abstracts from wow xml api" > Almost nobody uses xml to begin with. |
| 17:35.30 | foxlit | Let's assume that was supposed to mean "widget api", in which case the ask is "please learn and use my API instead of Blizzard's API" |
| 17:37.14 | WobLight | that's it pretty much, as I said mostly an experiment. |
| 17:37.32 | foxlit | "OO (need polishing)" < ominous. |
| 17:37.49 | foxlit | "Property system" < I didn't even know I want one :P |
| 17:38.02 | WobLight | I did some since that post was made :P |
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| 17:43.38 | foxlit | "Less code required for initial UI implementation" < not really convincing from the examples; automatic widget anchoring might be nice until you have to fight it. |
| 17:44.02 | foxlit | "Layouts (partial WIP)" / "Animations (not imp. yet)" < "we have grand plans!" |
| 17:44.42 | foxlit | "Explicit objects lifetimes" << just in case your life wasn't complicated enough to begin with. |
| 17:45.12 | WobLight | "complicated" it depends on what you're used to XD |
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| 17:46.54 | Ketho | sounds like acegui |
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| 17:49.25 | nebula | silly people thinking acegui is a gui framework they can use |
| 17:50.05 | Ketho | it's not? :x |
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| 17:54.03 | WobLight | oh right, about memory management, can you call code when a table is collected on retail? |
| 17:55.37 | nebula | you mean the __gc metamethod? pretty sure thats a 5.2 or 5.3 thing |
| 17:56.19 | nevcairiel | The __gc metamethod is not called for tables |
| 17:56.37 | nevcairiel | its only for userdata |
| 17:56.39 | nebula | just userdata, right? it was expanded later |
| 17:57.05 | nevcairiel | http://lua-users.org/wiki/MetatableEvents this list has 5.2 and 5.3 info and still says the same about __gc |
| 17:57.08 | nevcairiel | so shrug |
| 17:57.13 | nevcairiel | but i never used 5.2 or 5.3 |
| 17:58.23 | foxlit | 5.2: §2.5.1: You can set garbage-collector metamethods for tables and, using the C API, for full userdata (see §2.4). |
| 17:58.39 | nevcairiel | then someone slacked updating that page |
| 17:58.54 | foxlit | it was you all along! |
| 17:59.06 | nevcairiel | also, you can set it in wow as well |
| 17:59.11 | nevcairiel | its just not going to get called! |
| 18:01.13 | foxlit | contrast 5.1: §2.10.1 Using the C API, you can set garbage-collector metamethods for userdata (see §2.8). |
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| 18:02.03 | Meorawr | You can use newproxy() to create a userdata value which can have a __gc metamethod attached |
| 18:02.27 | nebula | yea, i was gonna bring that up, but does wow have newproxy? |
| 18:02.29 | Meorawr | Though historically there was a client crash you could cause at logout by doing that (though I can't reproduce it on the PTR, and my experience there dates back to WoD) |
| 18:02.30 | foxlit | yes |
| 18:03.25 | Meorawr | That said if you're doing something that requires precisely knowing when something is being GC'd... You've made something a bit too smart. |
| 18:03.53 | foxlit | it's convinient for reasons, but having __gc on widgets to self-destruct them if you ever lose a reference isn't one of them. |
| 18:05.00 | foxlit | (some widgets you just create and immediately forget about, relying on them to live on anyway -- things like the little X buttons that hide their parent frame) |
| 18:09.53 | WobLight | newproxy being exposed it's kinda curious XD |
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| 18:28.20 | WobLight | I guess frames never get destroyed in retail as well? |
| 18:29.51 | TheDanW | restricted environment uses newproxy, i think if we were to do it over again we would have pulled newproxy from the sandbox though |
| 18:31.01 | Meorawr | But my __len metamethod that I've used all of one time :( |
| 18:31.57 | foxlit | well, maybe if they were to do it all over again, they'd use a more modern version of Lua. |
| 18:35.02 | WobLight | ah, I have to log on window to test performances, FPS drop on linux looks more severe than it should be. thanks for you input so far |
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| 19:00.14 | Funkeh` | TSquare: I asked you last week if there were any updates in regards to you having a discussion about giving us some form of compat API so we can translate texture paths to file IDs in 8.2 |
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| 19:24.58 | WobLight | I'm back! Alright, windows performances are not as bad as linux ones (on linux was dropping from over 90FPS to 35FPS while resizing the demo window) |
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| 20:08.45 | Stanzilla | TSquare: the EditBox is also still broken on current PTR |
| 20:12.19 | TSquare | Funkeh`: I don't think we will be able to provide that. I think the hope is that not too many textures outside of the Interface path are being used. |
| 20:12.40 | Funkeh` | we *need* that to convert user data |
| 20:12.50 | TSquare | Stanzilla - I think there is a bug in on it, but I don't know it's status |
| 20:13.08 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 20:13.26 | Funkeh` | I can't be hopeful because I have no way of knowing from user to user how many textures they have stored that are not using interface paths |
| 20:13.56 | TSquare | Funkeh` - Sorry about that, but the client doesn't have the paths any longer |
| 20:14.09 | TSquare | there just isn't anything to look up |
| 20:14.40 | Funkeh` | I'm aware, this is why I specifically asked you if we could have some form of compat API, based on a list, in the compat addon, and you said you'd discuss it |
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| 20:15.38 | Stanzilla | yeah just shipping a list would help a ton |
| 20:15.43 | Gnarfoz | apparently, the discussion didn't go favorably :D |
| 20:15.44 | TSquare | I did. But one of the goals of the system is to reduce the memory, adding it back in would defeat that. |
| 20:15.49 | Stanzilla | otherwise this will be a huge clusterfuck |
| 20:15.56 | Funkeh` | I explicitly stated "lod" |
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| 20:16.00 | Stanzilla | load on demand |
| 20:16.21 | TSquare | we would still have to have it downloaded on the client |
| 20:16.41 | Stanzilla | ... |
| 20:16.53 | TSquare | I'm not arguing that it's not possible. |
| 20:17.30 | TSquare | we have been doing work to reduce the amount of data that is required to download |
| 20:17.36 | TSquare | streaming, etc. |
| 20:17.42 | Ketho | anyone make a LibFileData with the IDs from wow.tools |
| 20:18.10 | Timosh | and how about memory? |
| 20:20.19 | TSquare | Timosh - I'm not sure I understand your question |
| 20:21.15 | Funkeh` | So our solution is every addon that needs it to bundle the list themselves, editing their structure to add a separate LoD addon. Or hardcode all the fileIDs now, panic tell everyone to update, and those who don't tough luck |
| 20:21.57 | Funkeh` | smooth transition be damned |
| 20:22.34 | foxlit | you could do all that without the panic and damnation part. |
| 20:22.49 | Funkeh` | elaborate |
| 20:23.54 | foxlit | release an update, before 8.2, which records any fileIDs you need to migrate in the future. |
| 20:24.00 | Stanzilla | don't think you can phrase "You have to update and login once before date x or all your data will be broken" nicely |
| 20:24.30 | Funkeh` | Indeed, nor can it be succesful without the "panic" part - even then it won't be |
| 20:24.45 | foxlit | migrate gracefully when it happens. Plenty of people update stuff automatically, it'll probably catch the majority. |
| 20:25.13 | Funkeh` | Considering the wow playerbase is currently rpetty much halved, suuure |
| 20:25.15 | Stanzilla | that might work for addons that constantly get updated |
| 20:25.34 | foxlit | for people who don't update to your pre-8.2 scheme in time, you could provide a separate LoD addon which, when installed, would provide you a name->id map for the migration. |
| 20:25.40 | Funkeh` | and then all the people returning for 8.2 like WTF MY SKINS |
| 20:25.58 | mukunda | addon life |
| 20:26.07 | foxlit | Kind of like "we noticed you were using stuff that we can't support now; if you care, please download this other thing." |
| 20:26.08 | Stanzilla | " you could provide a separate LoD addon which, when installed, would provide you a name->id map for the migration." great idea |
| 20:26.12 | Stanzilla | for tons of addons to do that |
| 20:26.25 | Funkeh` | lol, foxlit's solution is to do both! |
| 20:26.34 | Funkeh` | panic AND use a separate addon! |
| 20:26.37 | Stanzilla | while Blizzard could just ship a maybe 5mb?! list file that they can remove in 9.0 |
| 20:26.50 | Funkeh` | ^ |
| 20:27.21 | Funkeh` | Literally the one time the compat addon could actually prove useful rather than being a reference for renamed API |
| 20:49.55 | Mr_Rabies | free up space by removing all the voice lines of that one highmountain tauren daily npc |
| 20:50.13 | Mr_Rabies | that'll save probably at least 100 mb |
| 20:52.15 | foxlit | Stanzilla: for tons of addons to do that << why does it matter how many addons need that? I'm just suggesting you link a project for affected users to install. |
| 20:53.13 | Gnarfoz | several addons doing that is more work than Blizzard making a smooth transition possible |
| 20:53.45 | Mr_Rabies | but not more work for blizzard, so good luck getting them to care |
| 20:54.20 | foxlit | I mean, you have to write the transition code anyway, so at that point adding a text message/LoD instruction/whatever seems trivial. |
| 20:54.25 | Gnarfoz | also "we didn't realize people were using textures outside the default ui" speaks volumes, but that's a separate issue :P |
| 20:55.27 | foxlit | the external addon could be something as simple as just pre-hooking GetFileIDFromPath and making it return numbers for more things. |
| 20:56.03 | Gnarfoz | wasn't the issue that the relevant translation APIs don't do the required translation in 8.2? |
| 20:56.14 | Maldivia | hmm, I should probably test my addons that use textures, but... oh well, I'll fix it when 8.2 ships |
| 20:57.17 | foxlit | I'm suggesting that a third-party addon could patch that API to do the required translation in 8.2. |
| 20:58.21 | Gnarfoz | you're suggesting scraping *all* possible file paths in 8.1.5 and shipping those in that addon? |
| 20:59.44 | foxlit | you don't actually need paths, but yes. I was just told that a 5mb?! list file would fix this, so maybe it's not that dramatic. |
| 21:00.27 | Gnarfoz | there's bigger addons than that, certainly |
| 21:01.23 | Gnarfoz | why wouldn't you need paths if the relevant paths are not translatable natively on 8.2? |
| 21:01.50 | nevcairiel | the opponents of that idea are suggesting for blizzard to do just that, so its not like its unfeasible |
| 21:04.26 | foxlit | Gnarfoz: paths are hashed down in resolution, so a hash->fileid map would be more compact than a path->id map. |
| 21:04.58 | nevcairiel | sure you could also include the hash function to keep it smaller |
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| 21:11.41 | foxlit | so I guess the questions are: does migration via third-party addon sound reasonable, do you need help implementing that addon, or do you want to keep arguing with the ui team? |
| 21:13.49 | Gnarfoz | or do you need less snark? :D |
| 21:14.15 | Mr_Rabies | trying to remove the snark from foxlit is like trying to remove the spots from a cow |
| 21:17.58 | znf | Today marks the first ever Warlords of Draenor Timewalking Bonus Event week. |
| 21:17.58 | znf | lol |
| 21:18.12 | znf | everyone: *nothing* *silence* |
| 21:18.16 | znf | blizzard: here's WoD timewalking! |
| 21:18.54 | nevcairiel | you know there is one such event every week |
| 21:19.30 | znf | yes, but who liked WoD dungeons? |
| 21:19.43 | nevcairiel | the dungeons and raids were just fine in wod |
| 21:19.47 | nevcairiel | it was everything else that was bad |
| 21:20.00 | znf | https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/028/961/cover6.jpg |
| 21:21.06 | Meorawr | I was gonna say it still feels like WoD is too "fresh" for timewalking but then I factcheck that and see it released in 2014 |
| 21:21.56 | nevcairiel | they started to do it 2 expansions back |
| 21:22.05 | znf | November 2014 -> August 2016 |
| 21:22.07 | nevcairiel | so next expansion we'll get legion timewalking |
| 21:22.12 | znf | the memory is still fresh |
| 21:23.25 | Alram | TSquare: if lower downloads is that much of a priority I have a list of several thousands of files you can just stop shipping |
| 21:23.37 | Alram | I'll mail that to the tools team |
| 21:23.57 | nevcairiel | in before more cries because people used them for random nonsense :D |
| 21:24.14 | Alram | Client doesn't even know about them |
| 21:24.19 | Alram | Just hogging disk space |
| 21:25.10 | Alram | Props if people used them for anything considering we can't even figure out the format or file extension :D |
| 21:25.32 | znf | what's the status of sound replacement? |
| 21:25.36 | znf | are we screwed, still? |
| 21:26.06 | Alram | No updates yet from the people I asked atleast |
| 21:26.14 | znf | so still screwed |
| 21:26.24 | Alram | And with music on PTR it kind of feels like they're getting into the whole lockdown thing |
| 21:26.54 | Alram | I'll poke some people tomorrow I guess |
| 21:27.53 | Alram | Until then hopefully some quality sleep |
| 21:32.32 | Mr_Rabies | ptr is still killing dwm in direcx 12 mode but hopefully whatever does that doesn't do it on live |
| 21:32.38 | Mr_Rabies | i reported it but we know how that geos lol |
| 21:32.43 | Mr_Rabies | goes* |
| 21:33.41 | Stanzilla | Alram: you are probably the only person that could correctly guesstimate the size of such a listfile they would have to ship |
| 21:33.57 | Alram | With full names? |
| 21:34.01 | Alram | For everything? |
| 21:34.07 | Alram | Or just lookups |
| 21:35.14 | Stanzilla | hash->fileid map |
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| 21:37.27 | Alram | Compressed not that large, I guess you might be doing okay with that estimate |
| 21:38.41 | Alram | Uncompressed probably 20-30MB? |
| 21:38.55 | Stanzilla | thanks |
| 21:39.02 | Alram | Not sure how much overhead db2 has |
| 21:40.05 | Mr_Rabies | tbh i like wod dungeons more than legion or bfa dungeons, mostly because of M+ and the dungeons scaling up every tier |
| 21:55.23 | foxlit | there are 1676814-125438 < 1.6e6 unnamed files in this random 8.2 root; 8 bytes of hash + 4 bytes of file id gives you <19.2 MB. |
| 21:56.18 | Alram | With no overhead yeah |
| 21:56.28 | Alram | Sounds about right |
| 21:57.22 | nevcairiel | and you can probably filter out file types that addons wouldnt be able to use anyway |
| 21:57.34 | nevcairiel | if that information is there :D |
| 21:57.35 | foxlit | *that* sounds like work. |
| 21:57.40 | Mr_Rabies | so how is stuff like sharedmedia etc gonna work? |
| 21:57.55 | foxlit | the same as it did before. |
| 21:58.30 | Mr_Rabies | so this is just an issue of using textures that are in the client already, but not in the /interface/ path? |
| 21:59.00 | foxlit | yes. |
| 21:59.57 | Mr_Rabies | sounds like someone should just make an addon that has all those textures and just path from their addon's folder instead :v |
| 21:59.58 | foxlit | (I assume sharedmedia mostly cares about assets its plugins bundle rather than wow's spell/internal assets) |
| 22:00.25 | Gnarfoz | you assume correctly |
| 22:00.26 | nevcairiel | LibSharedMedias default assets are all in interface, I checked. |
| 22:00.47 | nevcairiel | The SharedMedia addon with additional assets are of course all provided by the addon itself, so also irrelevant |
| 22:01.20 | nevcairiel | Theoretically an addon could register a non-Interface texture with LSM today |
| 22:01.25 | nevcairiel | but they would just h ave to change that to the file id |
| 22:01.39 | nevcairiel | LSM doesnt care what the data is you give it, could be IDs or strings for all it cares |
| 22:01.47 | nevcairiel | so yeah, its all on to the addons using it |
| 22:11.57 | foxlit | bonus: if you could guarantee that all queries are previously-valid paths, you could throw away the keys, making it <6.4MB |
| 22:13.39 | foxlit | (and if we pretend that fileIDs are int24s, it's <4.8MB) |
| 22:52.04 | TSquare | OK, it sounds like people are upset. I do understand that this is not ideal. |
| 22:53.29 | TSquare | while I did mention memory, it is not the main point |
| 22:53.37 | TSquare | I probably should not have even mentioned that. |
| 22:53.42 | TSquare | so that is my fault |
| 22:54.15 | TSquare | please don't bother other teams or individuals because you are upset with me. |
| 22:54.29 | Funkeh` | It's not ideal because it's flak we will get that isn't our fault (as failing to update for an API change would be in the past). It's also damage of user data, not our code, which makes it worse. |
| 22:54.48 | Funkeh` | It's not like we can say "sorry were updating right now" |
| 22:54.53 | Semlar | addons were a mistake |
| 22:55.00 | Funkeh` | the response from us will be "blame blizz" |
| 22:55.27 | nevcairiel | Just channel all that energy from complaining into implementing the solution foxlit suggested, and everyone is happy again |
| 22:55.44 | Semlar | oh speaking of which, you should definitely not re-enable the ability to anchor to friendly nameplates in instances |
| 22:55.59 | TSquare | why is that? |
| 22:56.23 | Semlar | people are just going to use it to draw debuff timers on them in raids |
| 22:56.40 | znf | Semlar, dude, c'mon... |
| 22:56.42 | znf | we talked about this |
| 22:56.57 | nevcairiel | just like people use speech bubbles for now? |
| 22:57.02 | TSquare | I'm not sure debuff timers are bad, but I will ask the design team |
| 22:57.03 | nevcairiel | its basically the same thing, just prettier |
| 22:57.58 | Semlar | that's just based on my interpretation of what they seem like they don't want people to be able to do |
| 22:58.30 | nevcairiel | the main concerns was apparently those line-based things, that show the relation between players, or between yourself and others |
| 22:58.31 | Semlar | things like this https://youtu.be/Mbwcr5f2KhU?t=17 |
| 22:59.00 | TSquare | OK, thanks. I'll bring it up with the designers |
| 22:59.06 | nevcairiel | clearly it didnt work anyway, since the russians will just happily hack the game to enable it :p |
| 22:59.35 | Semlar | they apparently didn't hack to do this and it's currently possible |
| 22:59.40 | nevcairiel | should also give the video to ban enforcement, nodnod |
| 23:00.05 | nevcairiel | doesnt matter how you do it, its clearly unintended to enable mods of friendly nameplates |
| 23:00.42 | znf | wait, you can do that? |
| 23:01.10 | znf | I'm assuming the binary is patched? |
| 23:01.36 | nevcairiel | i still think its weird that a modified binary doesnt reuslt in an immediate auto-ban |
| 23:01.39 | Semlar | the addon is here https://github.com/TimoshN/FloatIndicators |
| 23:01.52 | znf | It doesn't, I tried it, it worked plsdontbanme |
| 23:01.58 | Semlar | it contains code that i'm pretty sure i posted on the blizzard forums 5 years ago |
| 23:02.10 | Semlar | but i don't know if it actually works without modifying the client |
| 23:02.36 | znf | Back when they disabled the friendly nameplates in instances, and BEFORE they obfuscated the client, you could clip a few bits in the .exe and get friendly nameplates back in instances |
| 23:02.41 | znf | no automatic ban |
| 23:03.26 | znf | Now it's just a bit harder because of the obfuscation, but still possible, a little birdie told me |
| 23:05.14 | Semlar | https://github.com/TimoshN/FloatIndicators/blob/master/FloatIndicators/core.lua#L3362 this looks like it's based on my old code for repositioning nameplates, but i didn't look into what they're doing too closely |
| 23:07.38 | znf | Semlar, where's my enemy nameplate grid addon, btw? |
| 23:07.51 | nevcairiel | forbidden frames should probably also be forbidden from the secure environment |
| 23:08.04 | nevcairiel | that seems like a glaring oversight |
| 23:08.11 | Semlar | that's what i mean, this is basically my enemy grid addon |
| 23:08.25 | nevcairiel | also, probably not show up in GetChildList |
| 23:09.29 | Semlar | maybe they came up with it on their own, but i don't know that many people who code strictly with single quotes and write secure template code that messes with nameplates |
| 23:09.29 | Ketho | nameplates were a mistake |
| 23:11.11 | foxlit | re does mean things to forbidden frames since like... 7.2? |
| 23:12.09 | znf | Semlar, no king rules forever, my son |
| 23:12.28 | foxlit | 7.3.2 |
| 23:15.34 | Semlar | this also looks almost exactly like my friendly nameplates https://gfycat.com/weaktintedaurochs |
| 23:16.02 | nevcairiel | its a class colored text |
| 23:16.12 | Semlar | are you saying i didn't invent class colored text |
| 23:16.19 | nevcairiel | thats how my friendly nameplates look outside of instances :P |
| 23:16.20 | Timosh | no |
| 23:16.28 | Semlar | ok good |
| 23:16.41 | Timosh | there is no default class colored nameplates |
| 23:16.49 | Timosh | but have text only mode for them |
| 23:16.53 | Timosh | just add class colors |
| 23:16.58 | Timosh | and ppls are ok with it |
| 23:17.20 | Timosh | and remove server also |
| 23:17.52 | Semlar | how about in 2013 when i made my nameplate addon |
| 23:18.27 | Timosh | i like grid only mode |
| 23:18.30 | Timosh | =/ |
| 23:18.39 | Timosh | with enemy nameplates |
| 23:19.13 | Semlar | i'll have you know there was a time before color https://i.imgur.com/EW1jfIu.png |
| 23:19.52 | Timosh | yeah yeah |
| 23:19.53 | Timosh | gj |
| 23:20.01 | Semlar | color had to be conceptualized |
| 23:20.22 | znf | Could we possibly, maybe, perhaps, any chance, you know, to have some sort of "static" templates for the current friendly nameplates in instances? |
| 23:20.29 | Semlar | it was a real epiphany |
| 23:20.43 | znf | I really can't stand the default ones in instances, when coming from Kesava's KNP |
| 23:20.56 | znf | I just turn them off because they're an eye-sore |
| 23:20.56 | Timosh | nope |
| 23:21.11 | Timosh | 3 years already |
| 23:21.16 | Timosh | with this one |
| 23:23.58 | Stanzilla | TSquare: yeah basically what foxlit said sounds like a plan |
| 23:25.09 | TSquare | Great. I'm glad you found a way to solve it |
| 23:25.19 | Stanzilla | nice try |
| 23:25.41 | nevcairiel | they did, but they want you to do it, for some reason, instead of just being done already :D |
| 23:26.16 | Timosh | nameplate secure header? |
