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| 06:59.45 | TomCat | @bluspacecow you're not off base. People just have poor reading comprehension skills. You only stated a couple of facts and someone decided to assume some hidden meaning behind it so they could then dispute it. They're having an argument with their imaginary friend |
| 07:00.54 | TomCat | you will find that most people are ruled by their lizard brain |
| 07:03.40 | bluspacecow | or the "prove someone else incorrect and me right" mindset |
| 07:05.39 | TomCat | I'm building a quest helper type addon. If someone can come up with objective evidence as to how such a thing harms the game more than it helps it I'm more than happy to adjust how it will work until it is an overall benefit to the game and players |
| 07:06.33 | Mr_Rabies | i mean i don't really see how it could help anything |
| 07:06.57 | Mr_Rabies | someone who has been playing on pservers has an advantage with no addons where they've mastered a route for leveling, anyway |
| 07:07.12 | Mr_Rabies | that info is out there, in people's brains, and until cata it was all roughly the same |
| 07:07.25 | Mr_Rabies | someone that leveled 50 alts before cata probably remembers a lot |
| 07:07.53 | Mr_Rabies | i personally won't use something like questhelper if/when i play classic because i want that classic experience |
| 07:08.23 | TomCat | right - which is why I'm already adjusting the plan to have an anti-spoiler mode |
| 07:08.34 | TomCat | the player has to take an action to get the hint when they are stuck |
| 07:08.37 | Mr_Rabies | but i mean, i once used glider in vanilla for alts so i can understand people wanting to speed up leveling :v |
| 07:08.49 | TomCat | or if they choose they can outright turn anti-spoiler mode off if that's what they prefer |
| 07:08.53 | Mr_Rabies | it was brutal on the third character or so |
| 07:09.28 | Mr_Rabies | yeah just have it prompt on startup |
| 07:09.29 | TomCat | I feel that reading through quest text isn't for everyone... sometimes it's just plain boring if they've read it before and just want to get on to the aspects of the game they find to be more fun |
| 07:09.38 | TomCat | and for some they really enjoy it |
| 07:10.26 | TomCat | neither type of player should have any right to impose on the other... the outcome of finishing quests is mostly personal at this point... and presence or lack of a quest helper addon isn't going to affect things such as realm firsts |
| 07:10.34 | Mr_Rabies | they could just find an old cosmos folder and hardwire that, ctraid, and decursive into the game and otherwise disallow addons |
| 07:10.35 | Mr_Rabies | :v |
| 07:10.40 | bluspacecow | "alt tab" |
| 07:10.42 | bluspacecow | nuff said |
| 07:11.02 | bluspacecow | quest helper addons are no different then just alt tabbing to wowhead |
| 07:11.20 | Mr_Rabies | yeah someone that really wants world first or scarab lord or something is going to be practicing on pservers at this point i'd think |
| 07:11.21 | TomCat | to play devil's advocate... they are different in that they can be more convenient |
| 07:11.36 | TomCat | but then I'd argue... so what? |
| 07:11.38 | bluspacecow | good point |
| 07:12.00 | TomCat | it's the player interested in solving every quest on their own trying to impose on those who don't find that as entertaining |
| 07:12.14 | TomCat | this idea of 'make it harder so they are forced to read the quest text'.... |
| 07:12.22 | Mr_Rabies | until the zone invasions in bfa i used azeroth autopilot for alts because it was nice to shut my brain off and just level following AAP-senpai |
| 07:12.59 | TomCat | people play games for a variety of reasons. If the game doesn't serve those reasons and a few adjustments need to be made via addons, that's better for the game IMO to let them so long as it doesn't have a great impact on other players |
| 07:13.06 | Mr_Rabies | and bfa leveling is much quicker than vanilla, by far |
| 07:13.24 | TomCat | I'll even go as far as to say that some impact to other players is OK as long as the greater good is happening |
| 07:13.42 | TomCat | classes get nerfed for the same reason |
| 07:13.49 | Mr_Rabies | i mean i basically had loremaster in vanilla, i did every quest i could find |
| 07:14.11 | Mr_Rabies | (but i quit in tbc and came back in wrath well after achievements were added) |
| 07:14.39 | Mr_Rabies | so like, i know most of the old zone quests, after my first char i'll probably use addons to streamline the process a bit |
| 07:14.49 | TomCat | I just wish I could get into beta so I could work on this more effectively... Besides obvious reasons of wanting to be successful... I want to be successful by providing addons that add value and when necessary pull people away from addons that might provide less value or even cause harm |
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| 07:15.42 | TomCat | I'm willing to get out there and ask questions even if it means I'm going to have to wade through a lot of nonsensical arguments |
| 07:15.47 | Mr_Rabies | if there's anything you want me to test i'd be happy to, but i'm not really grinding levels or anything on the beta TomCat, don't really want to wear out the nostalgia on the test drive |
| 07:16.27 | TomCat | thanks Mr_Rabies - I'll take you up on that offer |
| 07:18.46 | TomCat | when I made Rares of Arathi Basin, and Rares of Darkshore, it wasn't hard to conclude that for people who don't find it fun to canvas a map and keep track of rares by hand it was a benefit to have the addon and something that doesn't affect anyone else negatively |
| 07:19.20 | TomCat | there's a little bit more mystique in mechagon so it's going to be done a little differently |
| 07:20.41 | TomCat | I intentionally left out the whole 'each of the 4 elemental rares in arathi has to be killed to summon whats-her-name and you can tell which ones are left based on which adds are not spawned in her area' |
| 07:21.31 | Mr_Rabies | i don't know if i ever actually got that fact but it makes sense |
| 07:21.40 | Mr_Rabies | it was something like that in vanilla wasn't it |
| 07:21.44 | Mr_Rabies | i think it was a questline |
| 07:22.12 | TomCat | hmm - I don't know but it would be interesting to find out! |
| 07:25.56 | Mr_Rabies | oh weird she used to spawn at different levels |
| 07:26.18 | Mr_Rabies | 42-50 apparently |
| 07:26.37 | nevcairiel | nearly all of the arathi rares were not actually new, they were rares before or part of the arathi quest line |
| 07:26.47 | Mr_Rabies | yeah |
| 07:26.48 | TomCat | yep |
| 07:26.53 | Mr_Rabies | most of the new ones are on the west side, i think? |
| 07:29.03 | TomCat | I don't recall but it sounds about right |
| 07:29.36 | TomCat | I do recall a lot of the trolls and orcs were around in vanilla |
| 07:29.56 | TomCat | and that trogg that's in the upper right corner now |
| 07:30.10 | TomCat | wait not trogg... |
| 07:30.45 | TomCat | whatever geomancer flintdagger is... you no take candle guy - what are those called? |
| 07:30.55 | Mr_Rabies | kobolds |
| 07:30.59 | TomCat | right thanks |
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| 07:33.28 | TomCat | 92 days for classic to release - and 8.2 coming - and setting up for twitch streaming - got a lot on my plate and scrambled eggs in my head |
| 08:18.05 | Maldivia | a quest helper addon that simply highlights the part of the quest text that tells where to look would be nifty :) |
| 09:03.35 | bluspacecow | oh noes |
| 09:03.37 | bluspacecow | reading! |
| 09:03.41 | bluspacecow | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:04.54 | bluspacecow | kk work tiems |
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| 09:22.59 | Maldivia | Ok, that was kind of easy :D |
| 09:24.15 | nevcairiel | reference any map name strings with quest text, hope its spelled the same way, done? |
| 09:24.59 | nevcairiel | any non-automatic solution would be terribly labor intensive :D |
| 09:25.09 | Maldivia | I did it even simpler than that though :D |
| 09:25.32 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: https://pastebin.com/YDWBNrGh :D |
| 09:26.24 | nevcairiel | lol |
| 09:26.48 | nevcairiel | thats rather janky |
| 09:27.04 | Maldivia | meh |
| 09:27.16 | Maldivia | all it needs to do is get you to look at the right area of the text :D |
| 09:27.43 | nevcairiel | is stuff consistently worded like that? either "close to that" or with a n/e/s/w direction? |
| 09:28.02 | Maldivia | well, it worked for the few quests I had in my quest log :D |
| 09:28.45 | Maldivia | and this was just a quick check to see if I could highlight stuff in the quest description |
| 09:29.09 | Maldivia | btw - what's the interface version for classic? |
| 09:31.01 | nevcairiel | 11302 |
| 09:31.16 | Maldivia | nevcairiel: https://imgur.com/gfpVXrn |
| 09:31.35 | nevcairiel | not too bad |
| 09:34.23 | Maldivia | I guess an alternative could be to highlight anything title-cased |
| 09:37.16 | Maldivia | hmm, no -- too many false positives |
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| 11:20.59 | Alea | "bridge test" |
| 11:21.08 | Timosh | "bridge test" |
| 11:21.12 | Timosh | ths |
| 11:21.13 | Timosh | thx |
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| 20:31.39 | Timosh | !unregister nick |
| 20:31.39 | Timosh | !reconnect |
| 20:31.39 | Timosh | !msg target msg |
| 20:31.39 | Timosh | !who``` |
| 20:32.05 | Timosh | sorry =/ |
| 20:32.11 | Funkeh` | reported |
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| 20:49.58 | Maldivia | grr, why doesn't the mobile app have groups or voice chat :( |
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| 21:06.33 | Stanzilla | the mobile app is so ultra bad on android |
| 21:06.48 | Stanzilla | it has to reconnect every time you switch apps |
| 21:15.22 | Maldivia | that as well |
| 21:17.02 | Maldivia | also, was sitting and talking to someone just now using it... half the times, I had to switch app, to force reconnect, for the send button to actually work |
| 21:29.20 | Stanzilla | yup |
| 21:50.59 | Gnarfoz | just use irc *nodnod* |
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